One of the best upgrades you can get for an M77 or an M90 imo is Yamahawarrior89's 5-notch gas block. Helps a lot with overgassed systems and makes running a suppressor much easier.
Thanks for the feedback on that gas regulator. I do want to buy one for my example of the M77 as I intend to eventually use it with my SiCo Sythe Ti, but I am just not there at the price. $120 is probably a great value, but I'm just not there yet... Thanks for watching and the comment! God bless. - Drake
I bought the YamahaWarrior Gas regulator for my zastava M90. It's been great and I would highly recommend his gas regulator. Having the two extra lower settings below setting 1 on the stock regulator works good for me.
I have the same rifle, I changed the stock with a Midwest Industries folding stock with a stormwekz adapter plate. With my yhm and subsonics it is movie quiet. Love this rifle.
I have not committed to any rail systems for a couple of reasons, but primarily due to the weight increase and expense. I am not convinced that a rail system on an AK entirely can attribute to increased accuracy over a properly fitted hand-guard, but I could be wrong. My greatest apprehension on equipping the M77 with a Jmac, SLR or other rail system is the forward weight it will add. The rifle already pushes over 9.75lbs with a mount, sling, and optic attached… and that’s unloaded. While I am not opposed to humping a heavier weapon system in field, the added weight is worth an extra mag or two on top of a loss in “handiness” for the rifle. The M77 is a “Battle-Rifle” that can be pushed into a designated marksman role, but is not a marksmans rifle or a Semi-Auto Precision Rifle (“SAPR”). It’s at home printing 2-3 MOA with 7.62 Ball and being a suitable fighting rifle. It does what the AKM does, just in 7.62 NATO chambering. BUT, if you are chasing everything you can get out of it for fun, a free float rail system is not without consideration.
So i bought the rs regulate mount, a silencerco brake(had it custom made by them) bought a niteforce 1-10 and an slr rail system. I run a 762 sico saker on it and love mine. All of the mags are American made, even the stock one. They had to for 922r. The RS Regulate mount has titanium inserts. It also allows you to use stainless pin inserts to lock the top to bottom.
Idk if you have one now, but there is a 4 chamber jmac brake that'll take the muzzle rise to almost nothing. Also noticed at 11min in, that you seem to be using a CSS bolt carrier knob. Those only have one point of articulation, and are notorious fir being kicked off (even with red loctite). Recommend using one from Texas Weapon Systems. They're lighter, but have 3 screw points, so they're less likely to come off. Handguard, I went with an ultimak, and it's tight as a drum. Lastly, would you recommend master mount over a tws dogleg? I have both options, and I haven't really seen a difference. Maybe in wear over time, but as far as accuracy goes, they're about the same. Seems like you're grouping really well for a non sub moa rifle. Well done.
Thanks for the comment and notes. I do not have any experience on the TWS products, so I can’t comment on if that mount is a better choice than the AK Master Mount. The Master Mount seems to be a great mount thus far for a side-rail attached option.
@@AmericanArmsChannelkool kool... Tws dogleg has benefits past the rail by incorporating a peep sight at the back of the rail, which doubles the iron sight radius. But use and train with what you like and is comfortable for you. One thing that communing with the AR community recently has taught me (by their poor and rabid example), is never knock a guy for their tastes in guns.
Watched the whole thing awesome thorough review! Do you have any idea what the barrel twist rate might be? Do you see better accuracy from certain grain weights in ammo?
@@talbyjustus6403 to the best of my knowledge, the twist on the M77 is around a 1:12, but I’ve also seen folks speculate it has a 1:10. I can’t say for certain. I have seen better accuracy from handloads using 150-168gr ammo. Group averages will not really be less than 1.5”-2”, but better than what you will find with run of the mill M80 ball ammunition.
@@AmericanArmsChannel thanks for your helpful information! I have several different 308 hunting rounds in various grain weights.. us folk that don’t reload have to just find one that works
Really thorough review. I don't expect old Century quality for that they charge. Still I am about to get one. Whst year was yours made and was it made in Zastava's USA proxy company they set up to fix Century's QC issues? I find that ironic.
The example I have was imported by Zastava USA in late 2022/early 2023 and purchased from my local gun store in late Feb/early March of 2023. To me, it is of "standard" imported AK quality and suffers from the same inherent issues of slight gas-block/trunion/sight-block cant and cast that many stamped receiver AK's can have. The rifle works and is very much usable, I just am not seeing the value of the rifle matching current prices should QA/QC not improve. Knowing that acceptable quality to very good G3/HK91 clones, FN FAL clones, or just a solid AR-10 (SR-25) pattern rifle can be had for the same or slightly more/less money diminishes the value of the rifle outside of simply wanting an AK-pattern rifle in 308/7.62. At $850-$1k I see it, but I can't say I would buy it again for $1,250-$1,500.00 regardless of what stock sets and accessories it is equipped with. I will note, and this will be in the final review, do not purchase a PAP M77-PS with the expectation of a .308/7.62 NATO version of the M76 - it is NOT. The M77 is really just an M70 chambered in .308/7.62 NATO with the piston and gas plug derived from the M76. When compared to a standard milled or stamped AK in x39, it is pretty darn close, unlike the M76 which many believe it to be so closely related. I would first and foremost look at the M77-PS as a utilitarian "battle rifle" or fun to have range and hunting toy; it is not a "DMR" and will most likely not consistently produce groups people have come to expect out of a quality AR with quality ammunition.
I've got a couple of these 308 M77's. My BIG question for you is..... How did you get the rifle's bolt to stay open on the last round ? Was it a modified M14 magazine ? And does that mag run reliable ? Thanks for the knowledge youre sharing with us. I've got about 500 rounds through one of my M77's, and about 200 through the other one - so far so good.
The bolt hold open is from modifying a 10 round Zastava magazine follower. Acts identical to the M76 mags. It is very reliable, but can shove the follower forward. You can’t modify the CS Spec mags due to the follower design. Thanks for watching and the comment!
@@AmericanArmsChannel THANK YOU ! I've heard of M14 mags being modified and working - just not much detail on reliability. It's the only thing lacking in the platform I'd like to see - and also agree with you on the additional settings for the gas regulator. I don't understand why more settings aren't given - seems like a no brainer to me. I appreciate your quick reply !
I am curious, what part of the information I cover in the video makes you second guess buying an M77? Thanks for watching and the comment, BTW. - Drake
Well, the slam fires from an improperly sized firing pin and the mechanical failure in form of sear slip discharging the rifle before intended are definitely identified issues, but otherwise it’s been a reliable and durable rifle.
I have a texas weapon system yugo top cover, and it holds zero good. The zastava quick detach mount I had was so warped I couldn't use it. I also had a trigger issue where I fired and the next round i barely touched the trigger, and it went off down range. I will look for the guy who makes the gas block.
Yes, I had to adjust the front sight on my rifle to get it relatively zeroed with M80 Ball. I do not have a sight tool, so I used the AK cleaning kit tool and a brass punch to adjust it.
@@ramzishinski4416 being that this is not really intended to be a “long-range” rifle, I would equip it with any quality LPVO of your choice that fits your budget. For myself, a magnification range of 1-8x is sufficient. A fixed power prism optic may also be a good choice. I originally had a Swampfox Tomahawk LPVO (1-6x) on the rifle and that did not past muster. I then selected the Primary Arms 1-8x S-LS with ACSS reticle and it has been a good performer thus far for the price point. My only disappointment in the PA optic has been the clarity of the glass on 8x Magnification. The Swampfox Tomahawk, while not as durable, had a much cleaner set of lenses. Ultimately, you’ll have to shop around the market for the optic that provides the features you are looking for and has a reputation for being quality and having high value at its price-point.
@@AmericanArmsChannel I put a primary arms 4-14x on mine. Absolutely love it. Lower power lpvo's are nice, but for me anything worth doing is worth overdoing.😅
My 165gr Sierra Gameking HPBT hand load. Still averages greater than 1.5-2.0 MOA, but does better than ball ammunition or soft points. I have not played with "match" loadings in the rifle. It's an M70 with a 20" barrel and chambered in 308 - it's not a precision rifle. It's capable of spitting out a great group from time to time (I've shot sub-MOA 5-shot groups before), but for the most part this is a 2-4 MOA rifle, regardless of ammo.
I'd be very interested in a vid on how you modified that M76 mag to work in the M77. I think we all want a last round bolt hold open feature. It's the only aspect of the rifle that keeps me searching for another 308 battle rifle. EDIT: Also, what kind of sling are you running ? Vickers Tactical is it ?
The 10 round magazine that held the bolt open is a Serbian made M77 mag, not an M76 mag. The same can be done with the surplus 20 round Yugo/Serbian M77 mags. The modification is cutting the rear ramp of the mag follower into a square so the bolt catches on it when empty. This modification cannot be done to the CSSpec magazines that are US made. The sling is a Blueforce Gear Padded Vickers Sling. I have two, one on the M77 and one on my Benelli M1014. It is a good design and I highly recommend it.
@@AmericanArmsChannel Thank you for the intel ! I just sourced some used 20 round mags - bought 3 and will modify them - If all goes well, I'll buy a bunch more. I anticipate this will work out fine - possibly need new springs - but I can manage that - have a good supply CS Specs mags currently - Really appreciate your provided info - I consider it valuable information no doubt.
@@AmericanArmsChannel Seeming hard to source the Serbian 20 round mags - 10 rounders yes from Zastava. Do you know if the Serbian 10 round mag followers will work in the CSSpecs American made mags ? I've checked and M14 followers will not work. I may try modifying M14 mags to fit in the M77 - unsure how reliable that will be though lol. Thanks for your time and replying. Great vids you're putting out on this rifle too. Agree with you on the gas settings - I'm running a buffer on mine. (have 2 M77's and 2 M70's - love them) I also use Master Mounts safety with no bolt hold open notch -well made and recommend them-easier to manipulate safety. I use their siderail scope mount too. Think I prefer it over RS Regulate - haven't used Zastava's side mount so can't speak of that one.
The Serb mag follower will not work on the CSspec mags. 20 rounder Serb mags are hard to find, but through some perusing online I believe that Riley Defense has some available if you call them. They are shipping them with their RAK308 (M77B) rifle… or whatever they are calling it. Thanks for the comments and watching. Have fun with your M77’s!
That depends on what you are hunting with it. What kind of bullet performance do you need for the animal you intend to harvest using it? Regardless, a good standby for 308 Winchester is a 150gr Pointed Soft Point. You will have to group several different bullets/loads to determine which is most consistent and accurate in your rifle. Personally, I prefer the Sierra Game King Hollow Point Boat Tail in the 165gr variant. I push it at 2,625 FPS and it does everything I need it to on deer.
@@TexasNationalist1836 headspacing wouldn’t impact bullet weight use…if headspace was off it would impact all loadings. Chamber dimensions and twist rate would be the only barrel factors that would impact use of certain bullet weights and OAL of the cartridge. Most of the issues using long projectiles in the M77 is that longer loadings will not fit in the magazine. I hand loaded 165 and 168gr projectiles to the max length the M77 mags allowed and had no issues with cycling and stability of the bullets. You loose a little powder capacity in the case seating deeper, but reasonable accuracy and velocities are still obtained.
@@AmericanArmsChannel could you share your hand loading process and could you use a higher pressure powder to achieve the same velocity with the shorter cartridge that fits in the M77 magazine
@@TexasNationalist1836 you don’t want to push pressures past max limits. Higher pressures do not equate to higher velocities in parallel. Rule of thumb, the heavier the projectile for a given bore size and case capacity, the slower the powder burn rate needed to achieve the best velocities. I load a 165gr Sierra HPBT Gameking to the following spec’s: - Handload Information - Sierra 165hr Game King (Boat Tail Hollow Point) Bullet: 165gr BTHP Powder: 44.6gr Varget Primer: Winchester Large Rifle Primer Brass: Igman .308 Win (once fired M80 Ball) OAL: 2.790" w/slight taper crimp
I am unaware of what bullet Federal is using for their GMM 308 win load. If it fits in the M77 mag it is a good candidate for grouping well out of the rifle.
@@loyaljones8814 the image I included in the video of the 5 position is the one I was referencing. Looks like a good component, just a touch more money that I’m willing to put into it.
No, not after field strip and cleaning. But, if you remove the optics mount you should reconfirm zero just to be sure; especially if shooting further than 100 yards
I have the Riley Yugo M77B rifle and its been great. However, for those saying their groups are everywhere please for the love of god get rid of that horrendous slant brake!!
I'm not so certain that the slant brake is something that would be impacting accuracy/group consistency. The cleaning rod or the fit of the hand-guard can, in my experience, though. Others experience may vary... Thanks for watching and the comment. God bless. - Drake
Or people can actually just learn how to shoot an actual rifle. The slant brake doesn’t make somebody shoot all over the place. That’s on the individual plain and simple. 308 is one of the lowest recoil rifle cartridges you can shoot. However, 308 is still 308. It’s not 7.62x39, it’s surely not a baby 22 caliber 556 or 223, but it’s still a very low recoil rifle round. 308 technically isnt meant to be shot rapidly like a 556 AR or even 7.62. A lot of people expect the m77, bc it’s a semi auto AK, to shoot like a regular 7.62 AK, and it’s not going to happen regardless of what brake or anything else you have on it. For the record, the slant brake does exactly what it’s supposed to do. It keeps the barrel flat when shooting bc it strictly exists to manage, and even eliminate muzzle rise completely. Has nothing to do with managing recoil. But the slant brake keeps you on target. So if you’re shooting all over the place, then you need to learn to hold and shoot your rifle properly, and not expect to rapid fire a 308 expecting the same shooting experience to a 556 or 7.62 rifle
Brother, I'm not really sure how to process what you just commented... It's on the same level as the original comment stating that the slant break somehow causes accuracy issues, but is way past what was even being discussed. I don't think you are thinking the same thing as what was being said. Being able to accurately rapid-fire is not the same as "printing groups", which was the intent of the original comment regarding the slant brake. Yes, I agree, the slant brake shouldn't really be impacting groupings of the rifle. That is if it fits correctly and is not loosely mounted, interfering with the "harmonics" of the barrel. Yes, the slant brake does not reduce or alter recoil of the firearm, it pushes the muzzle in the opposite direction of the recoil pattern; for an AK this is up and right, so it is positioned to push the muzzle down and left.Muzzle devices can however reduce or increase "barrel whip" depending on design, weight, and method of mounting. Muzzle devices can also influence a firearm's point of impact. Other factors which have greater influence on groupings are barrel profile and quality, quality of chamber reaming, ammunition, etc. Regarding your comments on the recoil control of a firearm chambered in 7.62/308.... I need you to go back and really work through your thought process. In one sentence you say that 308/7.62 NATO isn't a heavy recoiling round, and in the next you state it's not controllable and isn't meant to be rapid fired... So which is it? The 308 Win/7.62 NATO cartridge was developed as a greater case efficiency cartridge that achieved the same performance as US Cal. .30 M2 BALL (30-06 Springfield 150gr projectile at 2750 FPS) for use in light machine-guns and semi-auto infantry rifles. It was then simultaneously chambered in many hunting rifles and became a favorite for hunting and target shooting, much like the 30-06 it came from. It was originally intended for "rapid-fire" firearms, not just bolt-action hunting rifles. That said, no one in their right mind expects the shooting experience of a 308 rifle to be the same as a small/intermediate one. However, if one trains and learns how to work with their 7.62/308 rifle, you can very quickly become efficient at making multiple strikes in the vital zone of a target rapidly off-hand at point Blank to let's say 80-100 yards.
AmericanArmsChannel Are you referring to my comment, or to the original commenter? If it was directed towards me, My comment was for the original person who made the comment thread in the first place
@@jakeh6980 There are plenty of muzzle devices that have proved to be superior in not only managing recoil but keeping the rifle flat. Slant brake was intended to reduce muzzle rise during full auto, you have a semi auto rifle in .308 some folks actually try to bring them to competition shooting and they struggle with that slant brake
I am sorry to hear that. While I would not expect incredible groups and consistency out of the M77, it should be capable of repeating groupings that make it serviceable for the purposes of hunting, fighting, or general recreational shooting inside of 500 yards. I would have Zastava correct any deficiencies you can identify with the rifle, but can tell you that declaring to them "the rifle won't group less than 10"!" probably won't get you anywhere due to it being possibly attributable to so many factors... If you still have the rifle, I suggest you consider evaluating the following: 1) Are you a competent and capable marksman than can produce groups better than the rifle is capable of printing? I often have to note this with myself when evaluating a rifle's capabilities. While I certainly can shoot 1/2 to 3/4 MOA groups, and have shot 1/4 MOA before, I am not what I would classify myself as a world class marksmen... just slightly better than average. Making sure that you are objectively evaluating your skill can make a difference. Also, try handing the rifle and ammo selection to a different competent user and seeing what they can accomplish. 2) What ammunition are you feeding the rifle? Not all .308/7.62 is created equal. Some M80 ball or 150gr SP hunting ammunition will perform just fine, with others landing wild groupings out of the same rifle. If you are hand-loading it may take several attempts at finding the right powder and bullet combination to achieve reasonable and usable groups. "Match" ammunition does not indicate match performance. I have experienced "junk" performance out of high-dollar precision ammo, insane groups out of "junk" ammo, and everything in-between. I know my M77 will shoot Igman M80 and Winchester M80 ball in 2.5-3 MOA consistently, so that is what I buy. I also know that I can get 1.5-2 MOA averages out of my 165gr Sierra HPBT GameKing load using H4350 or Varget powder, so those are the components I buy. It can take a lot of trial and error to find the right load in any rifle. 3) Do you have the cleaning rod installed when grouping the rifle? I have found my rifle will not only not retain the rod, but it negatively impacts groups. 4) Is your muzzle device installed correctly? Have you tried a bare muzzle to see if fit or movement of the muzzle device is causing an inconsistency in the barrel? 5) What optics are you using? What Mount type? Are you using optics at all? Do you trust yourself to have installed any sighting system correctly and as square as possible to the axis of the bore? Your sighting system and the quality thereof can have enormous impacts on the group sizes. I have had a mount and an optic fail on my example of the M77 - neither was a fault of the rifle. Sometimes you have to consider that it is not the rifle or the shooter, but maybe another component in the equation... 6) How is the fit of the hand-guard? Is it too tight? Too loose? Have you changed anything? Sometimes the smallest tweak can make a difference. It did for me. These 6 points of questioning are a place to start. Sometimes frustration covers the real cause. But, sometimes you get a product that is truly a lemon. Thanks for watching and for your comments. - Drake
Better than an M14/M1A. I know, that's easy to accomplish. LOL I think Zastava will choose to ignore you from here on, however. Once you start bypassing recommendations and/or sticking aftermarket parts on which significantly alter the function and reliability of your particular rifle, it has little value when weaponized against Zastava who recommends specific ammunition which is proven reliable with this gun, who are certainly not forcing anyone to look to a third party to "fix" a problem invented by the user. A key mistake you have made is with how many gas settings any rifle "should" have, and why there are non-adjustable gas blocks at all on anything if more is supposedly better. I see you're an aftermarket parts reviewer first and foremost, so perhaps that explains the irrational obsession with messing up your rifle and posting this video about its intrinsic, philosophical design flaws. In short, you're introducing the things which can and will fail to an otherwise extremely reliable system, I guess to discredit the manufacturer or boost your own ego. It's difficult to take this seriously as anything pretending to be a review(call it overview all you like) of the M77. I recommend reviewing the aftermarket parts themselves, and keep a rifle factory-stock if wanting to provide constructive feedback to the community. tl;dr This is a strange self-report of your own ignorance masquerading as vague expertise of the subject matter, doing a disservice to yourself as a reviewer, gun enthusiasts in general, and Zastava themselves. Consider reflecting on why your cleverness is just making the gun worse. Hello from Arizona.
My brother in Christ, what are you even on?… I did in fact read your diatribe, several times, to try and understand what it is you are trying to get at. The best I can determine is that you have an emotional/egotistic investment in a specific rifle or pattern and thus internalize any criticism of it or contrast in opinion to your own thoughts on the matter as a personal attack. Don’t do that. 1) I don’t care what Zastava or any other manufacturer thinks when I am publishing my honest opinion of and experience with a product. 2) You watched and listened enough for me to comment on seeing as an increased number of gas settings being a benefit for the multitude of different loads available in 308/7.26 NATO and or suppressed use, but did not register that I did not once say that there was a operable issue with the rifle, only a desire to have the rifle not be over-gassed. 3) if you were correct in your assessment of the necessity of adjustable gas systems and their hampering of reliability, then answer me on why the M77, M76, M90 and others have all had the 3 position gas regulator? If the Kalashnikov pattern rifle is so perfect in every way, why would Zastava (who you obviously hold in high regard) ever place an adjustable regulator on a Kalashnikov pattern action? 4) you speak as though I have modified the operating system of the example of the M77 I have, when I have clearly stated I have not. All failures were referenced or demonstrated as they happened, and with full disclosure as to whether they were user induced or a fault of the rifle. I provide overview of all things pertinent to the use of the rifle, including compatible (or incompatible) accessories. If you spent any significant time with firearms and gear on the range, hunting, training, etc., you will inevitably find things that are good, bad, or broken. It happens. Learning from those experiences is key. That is what I am presenting here, personal experience, thoughts, and lessons that may help someone else in their enjoyment with a product. 4) You make a personal attack on my integrity and content of my character as though you know who I am or that you have any understanding of my intentions in producing and publishing the content I do. I have been wrong before, and I am always learning. I do not claim to ever be an expert. I comment on what I know and have experienced with thorough evaluation of the facts at hand. I do not do this to inflate ego or garner some form of reverence from people I do not and never will know. You are fine to and have the right to criticize my style, argue the information presented, or dissent in opinion; I take no exception to that. What I cannot abide by is an attack on my character and integrity by a stranger. I do not care what Zastava thinks or does. I do not care what others think or do with the information, experience, and opinions I present. But, do not conflate an incongruence of opinion with your own or potentially being factual wrong as dishonesty and hubris on my part.
@@13bredlegextraordinaire I never said it was… I said it was a reasonable round count to evaluate performance and reliability. You’re more than welcome to buy your own M77 and take on the expense of putting it through 10,000 rounds in a short time span.
@AmericanArmsChannel don't let this dude bust your balls. That's a high round count. I've had an m77 for 10+ yrs and it has had maybe 40 rounds through it. Too damn expensive to shoot.
@@usdpaulp lmfao at that point why have nothing other than your edc pistol y’all get butt hurt when I point out a factual statement when the guns not even broke in till 500 rounds 1300 rounds is not a high round count. That gun is barely broken in at that point I don’t know where you live to where you can’t afford ammunition, but here in Kentucky when we shoot on the weekends, everyone shoots about 1000 rounds several times a month there’s not a single gun in my safe out of the 20 I have that don’t have over 7000 rounds other than the Q fix I have and that’s just because it’s a bolt action and it even has four or 5000 not to mention I’ve only been collecting guns for two years now no one was being rude. I was just pointing out a simple fact.
You do realize your "factual statement" is very easily interpreted (and rightfully so) as a "douchey" one? Right? So yeah, you were and are coming off as rude... and I think we both know it's intentionally so. Again, I never stated in the video that 1,300 rounds was a high round count, just that it was enough to have some idea of the firearms capabilities. This was not a long-term durability report, just an update of observations and operational experience... Look, I don't know you from Adam, but you and your neighbors are either are very high earning/well off (which good for you if you are!), or you are not being truthful about your statement of sending thousands of rounds down range a month. To shoot thousands of .22 LR in a month is one thing (most folks can do that), but to put 1k of .308 Win or 5.56 down range in a month is not a reasonable expenditure for most folks. To do so means in 2024 you are spending $400 to $800 per month, and that's at the best bulk prices after shipping to doorstep. I lived in Appalachia for some time; folks there in general don't have that kind of money nor can they sustain racking up credit card debt on ammo each month. If they do, they don't typically "waste" it by mag dumping into trash just to drive up round counts on their firearms. When you're a single guy earning well with no debt and fully funded emergency stash + retirement contributions, yeah, you've got the cash to blow. But not when you have a family or if you, like 80% of Americans, live paycheck to paycheck... It's just not sustainable or reasonable. Good to know you have 20 guns and one of them is a Q fix and you have "high round counts" on them all. Great for you. No one really cares but you. If you're out here trying to impress others because you're keeping up with the Jonses, I'm sorry you're not content with the material things in your life, but that's not justification to jump on others' case and make a fool of yourself. Come on, bud. Be better. No ill will, just being straight. God Bless. - Drake
@usdpaulp - no balls busted by those with off, rude, dumb, or otherwise useless comments. I just make sure the record is straight in my comments section when it comes to the information I am presenting in the video and what my intentions in presenting that information are. Thanks for watching and the comment. God Bless and Keep Your Powder Dry. - Drake
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One of the best upgrades you can get for an M77 or an M90 imo is Yamahawarrior89's 5-notch gas block. Helps a lot with overgassed systems and makes running a suppressor much easier.
Thanks for the feedback on that gas regulator. I do want to buy one for my example of the M77 as I intend to eventually use it with my SiCo Sythe Ti, but I am just not there at the price. $120 is probably a great value, but I'm just not there yet...
Thanks for watching and the comment! God bless.
- Drake
Thanks for the follow up video, brother. Was curious how things were working out for you since the first vids (awhile back).
I bought the YamahaWarrior Gas regulator for my zastava M90. It's been great and I would highly recommend his gas regulator. Having the two extra lower settings below setting 1 on the stock regulator works good for me.
I have the same rifle, I changed the stock with a Midwest Industries folding stock with a stormwekz adapter plate. With my yhm and subsonics it is movie quiet. Love this rifle.
I’ve been waiting for more content on the m77. Thank you 🙏
That's a bad ass run down. Have you considered an slr rifleworks handguard to free up that barrel and maybe increase accuracy?
I have not committed to any rail systems for a couple of reasons, but primarily due to the weight increase and expense. I am not convinced that a rail system on an AK entirely can attribute to increased accuracy over a properly fitted hand-guard, but I could be wrong.
My greatest apprehension on equipping the M77 with a Jmac, SLR or other rail system is the forward weight it will add. The rifle already pushes over 9.75lbs with a mount, sling, and optic attached… and that’s unloaded. While I am not opposed to humping a heavier weapon system in field, the added weight is worth an extra mag or two on top of a loss in “handiness” for the rifle.
The M77 is a “Battle-Rifle” that can be pushed into a designated marksman role, but is not a marksmans rifle or a Semi-Auto Precision Rifle (“SAPR”). It’s at home printing 2-3 MOA with 7.62 Ball and being a suitable fighting rifle. It does what the AKM does, just in 7.62 NATO chambering.
BUT, if you are chasing everything you can get out of it for fun, a free float rail system is not without consideration.
So i bought the rs regulate mount, a silencerco brake(had it custom made by them) bought a niteforce 1-10 and an slr rail system. I run a 762 sico saker on it and love mine.
All of the mags are American made, even the stock one. They had to for 922r.
The RS Regulate mount has titanium inserts. It also allows you to use stainless pin inserts to lock the top to bottom.
Idk if you have one now, but there is a 4 chamber jmac brake that'll take the muzzle rise to almost nothing. Also noticed at 11min in, that you seem to be using a CSS bolt carrier knob. Those only have one point of articulation, and are notorious fir being kicked off (even with red loctite). Recommend using one from Texas Weapon Systems. They're lighter, but have 3 screw points, so they're less likely to come off.
Handguard, I went with an ultimak, and it's tight as a drum.
Lastly, would you recommend master mount over a tws dogleg? I have both options, and I haven't really seen a difference. Maybe in wear over time, but as far as accuracy goes, they're about the same.
Seems like you're grouping really well for a non sub moa rifle. Well done.
Thanks for the comment and notes.
I do not have any experience on the TWS products, so I can’t comment on if that mount is a better choice than the AK Master Mount. The Master Mount seems to be a great mount thus far for a side-rail attached option.
@@AmericanArmsChannelkool kool... Tws dogleg has benefits past the rail by incorporating a peep sight at the back of the rail, which doubles the iron sight radius. But use and train with what you like and is comfortable for you. One thing that communing with the AR community recently has taught me (by their poor and rabid example), is never knock a guy for their tastes in guns.
It's a Zastava. What's not to like. Got 2 of these kits on my bench right now.
Milled rec. etc....etc..
Watched the whole video. Great analysis. Looks like great rifle to get if you don't mind tinkering.
Watched the whole thing awesome thorough review! Do you have any idea what the barrel twist rate might be? Do you see better accuracy from certain grain weights in ammo?
@@talbyjustus6403 to the best of my knowledge, the twist on the M77 is around a 1:12, but I’ve also seen folks speculate it has a 1:10. I can’t say for certain. I have seen better accuracy from handloads using 150-168gr ammo. Group averages will not really be less than 1.5”-2”, but better than what you will find with run of the mill M80 ball ammunition.
@@AmericanArmsChannel thanks for your helpful information! I have several different 308 hunting rounds in various grain weights.. us folk that don’t reload have to just find one that works
Really thorough review. I don't expect old Century quality for that they charge. Still I am about to get one. Whst year was yours made and was it made in Zastava's USA proxy company they set up to fix Century's QC issues? I find that ironic.
The example I have was imported by Zastava USA in late 2022/early 2023 and purchased from my local gun store in late Feb/early March of 2023. To me, it is of "standard" imported AK quality and suffers from the same inherent issues of slight gas-block/trunion/sight-block cant and cast that many stamped receiver AK's can have. The rifle works and is very much usable, I just am not seeing the value of the rifle matching current prices should QA/QC not improve. Knowing that acceptable quality to very good G3/HK91 clones, FN FAL clones, or just a solid AR-10 (SR-25) pattern rifle can be had for the same or slightly more/less money diminishes the value of the rifle outside of simply wanting an AK-pattern rifle in 308/7.62. At $850-$1k I see it, but I can't say I would buy it again for $1,250-$1,500.00 regardless of what stock sets and accessories it is equipped with.
I will note, and this will be in the final review, do not purchase a PAP M77-PS with the expectation of a .308/7.62 NATO version of the M76 - it is NOT. The M77 is really just an M70 chambered in .308/7.62 NATO with the piston and gas plug derived from the M76. When compared to a standard milled or stamped AK in x39, it is pretty darn close, unlike the M76 which many believe it to be so closely related. I would first and foremost look at the M77-PS as a utilitarian "battle rifle" or fun to have range and hunting toy; it is not a "DMR" and will most likely not consistently produce groups people have come to expect out of a quality AR with quality ammunition.
I've got a couple of these 308 M77's. My BIG question for you is..... How did you get the rifle's bolt to stay open on the last round ? Was it a modified M14 magazine ? And does that mag run reliable ? Thanks for the knowledge youre sharing with us. I've got about 500 rounds through one of my M77's, and about 200 through the other one - so far so good.
The bolt hold open is from modifying a 10 round Zastava magazine follower. Acts identical to the M76 mags. It is very reliable, but can shove the follower forward. You can’t modify the CS Spec mags due to the follower design.
Thanks for watching and the comment!
@@AmericanArmsChannel THANK YOU ! I've heard of M14 mags being modified and working - just not much detail on reliability. It's the only thing lacking in the platform I'd like to see - and also agree with you on the additional settings for the gas regulator. I don't understand why more settings aren't given - seems like a no brainer to me. I appreciate your quick reply !
Great video! I love mine too!
Definitely makes me second guess buying one
I am curious, what part of the information I cover in the video makes you second guess buying an M77? Thanks for watching and the comment, BTW.
- Drake
What? Buy one! These issues are not issues!!
Well, the slam fires from an improperly sized firing pin and the mechanical failure in form of sear slip discharging the rifle before intended are definitely identified issues, but otherwise it’s been a reliable and durable rifle.
Primers CCI #34 its all i use in my my M1A...I did have a slam fire on mine...only one however..........
I have a texas weapon system yugo top cover, and it holds zero good. The zastava quick detach mount I had was so warped I couldn't use it. I also had a trigger issue where I fired and the next round i barely touched the trigger, and it went off down range. I will look for the guy who makes the gas block.
I bought that TWS dog leg also. Very good purchase!
Question, did you have to mess with the irons with the Ak sight adjudtment tool to get it zeroed?
Yes, I had to adjust the front sight on my rifle to get it relatively zeroed with M80 Ball. I do not have a sight tool, so I used the AK cleaning kit tool and a brass punch to adjust it.
Awesome rifle!
what type of scop you recommende for hunting/long range shooting to put on this M 77
@@ramzishinski4416 being that this is not really intended to be a “long-range” rifle, I would equip it with any quality LPVO of your choice that fits your budget. For myself, a magnification range of 1-8x is sufficient. A fixed power prism optic may also be a good choice.
I originally had a Swampfox Tomahawk LPVO (1-6x) on the rifle and that did not past muster. I then selected the Primary Arms 1-8x S-LS with ACSS reticle and it has been a good performer thus far for the price point. My only disappointment in the PA optic has been the clarity of the glass on 8x Magnification. The Swampfox Tomahawk, while not as durable, had a much cleaner set of lenses.
Ultimately, you’ll have to shop around the market for the optic that provides the features you are looking for and has a reputation for being quality and having high value at its price-point.
@@AmericanArmsChannel I put a primary arms 4-14x on mine. Absolutely love it. Lower power lpvo's are nice, but for me anything worth doing is worth overdoing.😅
Which ammunition was the most accurate?
My 165gr Sierra Gameking HPBT hand load. Still averages greater than 1.5-2.0 MOA, but does better than ball ammunition or soft points. I have not played with "match" loadings in the rifle. It's an M70 with a 20" barrel and chambered in 308 - it's not a precision rifle. It's capable of spitting out a great group from time to time (I've shot sub-MOA 5-shot groups before), but for the most part this is a 2-4 MOA rifle, regardless of ammo.
@@AmericanArmsChannel sorry I should have specified. What commercial ammo was most accurate? Thanks
I have not printed groups with a large selection of factory ammo. What I have shot has fallen into the 2-4 MOA range.
I have one, Love it !!. Mine is post ban. You know, came with that Ugly Butstock.
Was it the thumbhole stock? That's what I have and have not fired it yet.
@@waynebuchanan9818 yes
A slam fire is a super rare thing were you using hand load ammo ?
Yes, but with CCI No.34 7.62 NATO primers. All primers in the batch were seated perfectly, just below flush.
I'd be very interested in a vid on how you modified that M76 mag to work in the M77. I think we all want a last round bolt hold open feature. It's the only aspect of the rifle that keeps me searching for another 308 battle rifle. EDIT: Also, what kind of sling are you running ? Vickers Tactical is it ?
The 10 round magazine that held the bolt open is a Serbian made M77 mag, not an M76 mag. The same can be done with the surplus 20 round Yugo/Serbian M77 mags. The modification is cutting the rear ramp of the mag follower into a square so the bolt catches on it when empty. This modification cannot be done to the CSSpec magazines that are US made.
The sling is a Blueforce Gear Padded Vickers Sling. I have two, one on the M77 and one on my Benelli M1014. It is a good design and I highly recommend it.
@@AmericanArmsChannel Thank you for the intel ! I just sourced some used 20 round mags - bought 3 and will modify them - If all goes well, I'll buy a bunch more. I anticipate this will work out fine - possibly need new springs - but I can manage that - have a good supply CS Specs mags currently - Really appreciate your provided info - I consider it valuable information no doubt.
@@AmericanArmsChannel Seeming hard to source the Serbian 20 round mags - 10 rounders yes from Zastava. Do you know if the Serbian 10 round mag followers will work in the CSSpecs American made mags ? I've checked and M14 followers will not work. I may try modifying M14 mags to fit in the M77 - unsure how reliable that will be though lol. Thanks for your time and replying. Great vids you're putting out on this rifle too.
Agree with you on the gas settings - I'm running a buffer on mine. (have 2 M77's and 2 M70's - love them) I also use Master Mounts safety with no bolt hold open notch -well made and recommend them-easier to manipulate safety. I use their siderail scope mount too. Think I prefer it over RS Regulate - haven't used Zastava's side mount so can't speak of that one.
The Serb mag follower will not work on the CSspec mags. 20 rounder Serb mags are hard to find, but through some perusing online I believe that Riley Defense has some available if you call them. They are shipping them with their RAK308 (M77B) rifle… or whatever they are calling it.
Thanks for the comments and watching. Have fun with your M77’s!
Do the Zastava M77 iron sights come zeroed from factory?
Rough zero, yes. You will have to confirm zero with the load you select, though.
@@AmericanArmsChannel probably just going to keep the rough zero and dial it in with my scope for the load
What's the best ammo to run when hunt with this gun.
That depends on what you are hunting with it. What kind of bullet performance do you need for the animal you intend to harvest using it?
Regardless, a good standby for 308 Winchester is a 150gr Pointed Soft Point. You will have to group several different bullets/loads to determine which is most consistent and accurate in your rifle. Personally, I prefer the Sierra Game King Hollow Point Boat Tail in the 165gr variant. I push it at 2,625 FPS and it does everything I need it to on deer.
Fuck yeah brother…I immediately took that furniture off my m77 and put a slr handguard on but it looks too ar for me
Does it run 168 SMK? Heard the head spacing wasn’t long enough to run the SMK
@@TexasNationalist1836 headspacing wouldn’t impact bullet weight use…if headspace was off it would impact all loadings. Chamber dimensions and twist rate would be the only barrel factors that would impact use of certain bullet weights and OAL of the cartridge. Most of the issues using long projectiles in the M77 is that longer loadings will not fit in the magazine.
I hand loaded 165 and 168gr projectiles to the max length the M77 mags allowed and had no issues with cycling and stability of the bullets. You loose a little powder capacity in the case seating deeper, but reasonable accuracy and velocities are still obtained.
@@AmericanArmsChannel could you share your hand loading process and could you use a higher pressure powder to achieve the same velocity with the shorter cartridge that fits in the M77 magazine
@@TexasNationalist1836 you don’t want to push pressures past max limits. Higher pressures do not equate to higher velocities in parallel. Rule of thumb, the heavier the projectile for a given bore size and case capacity, the slower the powder burn rate needed to achieve the best velocities.
I load a 165gr Sierra HPBT Gameking to the following spec’s:
- Handload Information -
Sierra 165hr Game King (Boat Tail Hollow Point)
Bullet: 165gr BTHP
Powder: 44.6gr Varget
Primer: Winchester Large Rifle Primer
Brass: Igman .308 Win (once fired M80 Ball)
OAL: 2.790" w/slight taper crimp
@@AmericanArmsChannelI have heard federal GMM 168 fit in the magazines is there much difference from SMK to Fed GMM
I am unaware of what bullet Federal is using for their GMM 308 win load. If it fits in the M77 mag it is a good candidate for grouping well out of the rifle.
There is a guy who machines a gas block valve with more adjustments. Can't remember his name, he usually sales out quick.
@@loyaljones8814 the image I included in the video of the 5 position is the one I was referencing. Looks like a good component, just a touch more money that I’m willing to put into it.
Do you need to zero the rifle every time you field strip to clean it?
No, not after field strip and cleaning. But, if you remove the optics mount you should reconfirm zero just to be sure; especially if shooting further than 100 yards
I have the Riley Yugo M77B rifle and its been great. However, for those saying their groups are everywhere please for the love of god get rid of that horrendous slant brake!!
I'm not so certain that the slant brake is something that would be impacting accuracy/group consistency. The cleaning rod or the fit of the hand-guard can, in my experience, though. Others experience may vary...
Thanks for watching and the comment. God bless.
- Drake
Or people can actually just learn how to shoot an actual rifle. The slant brake doesn’t make somebody shoot all over the place. That’s on the individual plain and simple. 308 is one of the lowest recoil rifle cartridges you can shoot. However, 308 is still 308. It’s not 7.62x39, it’s surely not a baby 22 caliber 556 or 223, but it’s still a very low recoil rifle round. 308 technically isnt meant to be shot rapidly like a 556 AR or even 7.62. A lot of people expect the m77, bc it’s a semi auto AK, to shoot like a regular 7.62 AK, and it’s not going to happen regardless of what brake or anything else you have on it. For the record, the slant brake does exactly what it’s supposed to do. It keeps the barrel flat when shooting bc it strictly exists to manage, and even eliminate muzzle rise completely. Has nothing to do with managing recoil. But the slant brake keeps you on target. So if you’re shooting all over the place, then you need to learn to hold and shoot your rifle properly, and not expect to rapid fire a 308 expecting the same shooting experience to a 556 or 7.62 rifle
Brother, I'm not really sure how to process what you just commented... It's on the same level as the original comment stating that the slant break somehow causes accuracy issues, but is way past what was even being discussed.
I don't think you are thinking the same thing as what was being said. Being able to accurately rapid-fire is not the same as "printing groups", which was the intent of the original comment regarding the slant brake.
Yes, I agree, the slant brake shouldn't really be impacting groupings of the rifle. That is if it fits correctly and is not loosely mounted, interfering with the "harmonics" of the barrel. Yes, the slant brake does not reduce or alter recoil of the firearm, it pushes the muzzle in the opposite direction of the recoil pattern; for an AK this is up and right, so it is positioned to push the muzzle down and left.Muzzle devices can however reduce or increase "barrel whip" depending on design, weight, and method of mounting. Muzzle devices can also influence a firearm's point of impact. Other factors which have greater influence on groupings are barrel profile and quality, quality of chamber reaming, ammunition, etc.
Regarding your comments on the recoil control of a firearm chambered in 7.62/308.... I need you to go back and really work through your thought process. In one sentence you say that 308/7.62 NATO isn't a heavy recoiling round, and in the next you state it's not controllable and isn't meant to be rapid fired... So which is it?
The 308 Win/7.62 NATO cartridge was developed as a greater case efficiency cartridge that achieved the same performance as US Cal. .30 M2 BALL (30-06 Springfield 150gr projectile at 2750 FPS) for use in light machine-guns and semi-auto infantry rifles. It was then simultaneously chambered in many hunting rifles and became a favorite for hunting and target shooting, much like the 30-06 it came from. It was originally intended for "rapid-fire" firearms, not just bolt-action hunting rifles. That said, no one in their right mind expects the shooting experience of a 308 rifle to be the same as a small/intermediate one. However, if one trains and learns how to work with their 7.62/308 rifle, you can very quickly become efficient at making multiple strikes in the vital zone of a target rapidly off-hand at point Blank to let's say 80-100 yards.
AmericanArmsChannel Are you referring to my comment, or to the original commenter? If it was directed towards me, My comment was for the original person who made the comment thread in the first place
@@jakeh6980 There are plenty of muzzle devices that have proved to be superior in not only managing recoil but keeping the rifle flat. Slant brake was intended to reduce muzzle rise during full auto, you have a semi auto rifle in .308 some folks actually try to bring them to competition shooting and they struggle with that slant brake
Bro mind your inner wear
What?… I don’t understand what you are trying to say… I make note of wear and tear of internal components in this video.
I was talking about your 🩳 dude U look muscular down there (never mind)
@TanveerAli-kv4ig that’s weird bro. Why you meat gazing? 🤨
What in the fuck am I even reading
It's hard to not be drawn to the mondo mound down there... 🥜
Wow mine has been a true garbage rod. Basketball groups at 100. 1500 bucks lost.
That sucks. Did you send it back? How was their customer service?
I am sorry to hear that. While I would not expect incredible groups and consistency out of the M77, it should be capable of repeating groupings that make it serviceable for the purposes of hunting, fighting, or general recreational shooting inside of 500 yards. I would have Zastava correct any deficiencies you can identify with the rifle, but can tell you that declaring to them "the rifle won't group less than 10"!" probably won't get you anywhere due to it being possibly attributable to so many factors...
If you still have the rifle, I suggest you consider evaluating the following:
1) Are you a competent and capable marksman than can produce groups better than the rifle is capable of printing? I often have to note this with myself when evaluating a rifle's capabilities. While I certainly can shoot 1/2 to 3/4 MOA groups, and have shot 1/4 MOA before, I am not what I would classify myself as a world class marksmen... just slightly better than average. Making sure that you are objectively evaluating your skill can make a difference. Also, try handing the rifle and ammo selection to a different competent user and seeing what they can accomplish.
2) What ammunition are you feeding the rifle? Not all .308/7.62 is created equal. Some M80 ball or 150gr SP hunting ammunition will perform just fine, with others landing wild groupings out of the same rifle. If you are hand-loading it may take several attempts at finding the right powder and bullet combination to achieve reasonable and usable groups. "Match" ammunition does not indicate match performance. I have experienced "junk" performance out of high-dollar precision ammo, insane groups out of "junk" ammo, and everything in-between. I know my M77 will shoot Igman M80 and Winchester M80 ball in 2.5-3 MOA consistently, so that is what I buy. I also know that I can get 1.5-2 MOA averages out of my 165gr Sierra HPBT GameKing load using H4350 or Varget powder, so those are the components I buy. It can take a lot of trial and error to find the right load in any rifle.
3) Do you have the cleaning rod installed when grouping the rifle? I have found my rifle will not only not retain the rod, but it negatively impacts groups.
4) Is your muzzle device installed correctly? Have you tried a bare muzzle to see if fit or movement of the muzzle device is causing an inconsistency in the barrel?
5) What optics are you using? What Mount type? Are you using optics at all? Do you trust yourself to have installed any sighting system correctly and as square as possible to the axis of the bore? Your sighting system and the quality thereof can have enormous impacts on the group sizes. I have had a mount and an optic fail on my example of the M77 - neither was a fault of the rifle. Sometimes you have to consider that it is not the rifle or the shooter, but maybe another component in the equation...
6) How is the fit of the hand-guard? Is it too tight? Too loose? Have you changed anything? Sometimes the smallest tweak can make a difference. It did for me.
These 6 points of questioning are a place to start. Sometimes frustration covers the real cause. But, sometimes you get a product that is truly a lemon.
Thanks for watching and for your comments.
- Drake
I still need to sight mine in with a scope hopefully yours was just a bad apple
Better than an M14/M1A. I know, that's easy to accomplish. LOL
I think Zastava will choose to ignore you from here on, however. Once you start bypassing recommendations and/or sticking aftermarket parts on which significantly alter the function and reliability of your particular rifle, it has little value when weaponized against Zastava who recommends specific ammunition which is proven reliable with this gun, who are certainly not forcing anyone to look to a third party to "fix" a problem invented by the user.
A key mistake you have made is with how many gas settings any rifle "should" have, and why there are non-adjustable gas blocks at all on anything if more is supposedly better. I see you're an aftermarket parts reviewer first and foremost, so perhaps that explains the irrational obsession with messing up your rifle and posting this video about its intrinsic, philosophical design flaws.
In short, you're introducing the things which can and will fail to an otherwise extremely reliable system, I guess to discredit the manufacturer or boost your own ego. It's difficult to take this seriously as anything pretending to be a review(call it overview all you like) of the M77. I recommend reviewing the aftermarket parts themselves, and keep a rifle factory-stock if wanting to provide constructive feedback to the community.
tl;dr This is a strange self-report of your own ignorance masquerading as vague expertise of the subject matter, doing a disservice to yourself as a reviewer, gun enthusiasts in general, and Zastava themselves. Consider reflecting on why your cleverness is just making the gun worse. Hello from Arizona.
My brother in Christ, what are you even on?…
I did in fact read your diatribe, several times, to try and understand what it is you are trying to get at. The best I can determine is that you have an emotional/egotistic investment in a specific rifle or pattern and thus internalize any criticism of it or contrast in opinion to your own thoughts on the matter as a personal attack. Don’t do that.
1) I don’t care what Zastava or any other manufacturer thinks when I am publishing my honest opinion of and experience with a product.
2) You watched and listened enough for me to comment on seeing as an increased number of gas settings being a benefit for the multitude of different loads available in 308/7.26 NATO and or suppressed use, but did not register that I did not once say that there was a operable issue with the rifle, only a desire to have the rifle not be over-gassed.
3) if you were correct in your assessment of the necessity of adjustable gas systems and their hampering of reliability, then answer me on why the M77, M76, M90 and others have all had the 3 position gas regulator? If the Kalashnikov pattern rifle is so perfect in every way, why would Zastava (who you obviously hold in high regard) ever place an adjustable regulator on a Kalashnikov pattern action?
4) you speak as though I have modified the operating system of the example of the M77 I have, when I have clearly stated I have not. All failures were referenced or demonstrated as they happened, and with full disclosure as to whether they were user induced or a fault of the rifle. I provide overview of all things pertinent to the use of the rifle, including compatible (or incompatible) accessories. If you spent any significant time with firearms and gear on the range, hunting, training, etc., you will inevitably find things that are good, bad, or broken. It happens. Learning from those experiences is key. That is what I am presenting here, personal experience, thoughts, and lessons that may help someone else in their enjoyment with a product.
4) You make a personal attack on my integrity and content of my character as though you know who I am or that you have any understanding of my intentions in producing and publishing the content I do. I have been wrong before, and I am always learning. I do not claim to ever be an expert. I comment on what I know and have experienced with thorough evaluation of the facts at hand. I do not do this to inflate ego or garner some form of reverence from people I do not and never will know. You are fine to and have the right to criticize my style, argue the information presented, or dissent in opinion; I take no exception to that. What I cannot abide by is an attack on my character and integrity by a stranger.
I do not care what Zastava thinks or does. I do not care what others think or do with the information, experience, and opinions I present. But, do not conflate an incongruence of opinion with your own or potentially being factual wrong as dishonesty and hubris on my part.
@@AmericanArmsChannel Well said. He does seem very emotionally invested.
I’m sorry my guy but 1300 rounds in two years it’s not heavy use
@@13bredlegextraordinaire I never said it was… I said it was a reasonable round count to evaluate performance and reliability.
You’re more than welcome to buy your own M77 and take on the expense of putting it through 10,000 rounds in a short time span.
@AmericanArmsChannel don't let this dude bust your balls. That's a high round count. I've had an m77 for 10+ yrs and it has had maybe 40 rounds through it. Too damn expensive to shoot.
@@usdpaulp lmfao at that point why have nothing other than your edc pistol y’all get butt hurt when I point out a factual statement when the guns not even broke in till 500 rounds 1300 rounds is not a high round count. That gun is barely broken in at that point I don’t know where you live to where you can’t afford ammunition, but here in Kentucky when we shoot on the weekends, everyone shoots about 1000 rounds several times a month there’s not a single gun in my safe out of the 20 I have that don’t have over 7000 rounds other than the Q fix I have and that’s just because it’s a bolt action and it even has four or 5000 not to mention I’ve only been collecting guns for two years now no one was being rude. I was just pointing out a simple fact.
You do realize your "factual statement" is very easily interpreted (and rightfully so) as a "douchey" one? Right? So yeah, you were and are coming off as rude... and I think we both know it's intentionally so.
Again, I never stated in the video that 1,300 rounds was a high round count, just that it was enough to have some idea of the firearms capabilities. This was not a long-term durability report, just an update of observations and operational experience...
Look, I don't know you from Adam, but you and your neighbors are either are very high earning/well off (which good for you if you are!), or you are not being truthful about your statement of sending thousands of rounds down range a month. To shoot thousands of .22 LR in a month is one thing (most folks can do that), but to put 1k of .308 Win or 5.56 down range in a month is not a reasonable expenditure for most folks. To do so means in 2024 you are spending $400 to $800 per month, and that's at the best bulk prices after shipping to doorstep. I lived in Appalachia for some time; folks there in general don't have that kind of money nor can they sustain racking up credit card debt on ammo each month. If they do, they don't typically "waste" it by mag dumping into trash just to drive up round counts on their firearms. When you're a single guy earning well with no debt and fully funded emergency stash + retirement contributions, yeah, you've got the cash to blow. But not when you have a family or if you, like 80% of Americans, live paycheck to paycheck... It's just not sustainable or reasonable.
Good to know you have 20 guns and one of them is a Q fix and you have "high round counts" on them all. Great for you. No one really cares but you. If you're out here trying to impress others because you're keeping up with the Jonses, I'm sorry you're not content with the material things in your life, but that's not justification to jump on others' case and make a fool of yourself.
Come on, bud. Be better. No ill will, just being straight. God Bless.
- Drake
@usdpaulp - no balls busted by those with off, rude, dumb, or otherwise useless comments. I just make sure the record is straight in my comments section when it comes to the information I am presenting in the video and what my intentions in presenting that information are. Thanks for watching and the comment.
God Bless and Keep Your Powder Dry.
- Drake
what version of Master Mount should be used on the M77?
@@seewhy7761 yugo pattern.