@@silvereight6054that's true, but the connotation of that description is that it's an arbitrary collection, rather that God's word. You know where you learn God's character? The Bible. You know where you learn what sin is and how bad our sin is? The Bible. You know where you learn who Jesus, the real Jesus, is? The Bible. You know where you learn the good news that Jesus died so we can be forgiven of sin and live forever? The Bible. You know where you learn how we should live as believers? The Bible.
The channel @TruthisChrist explores all sorts of patterns found in the bible (specifically the KJV). Once you've seen them, it's really difficult to deny that God put it all together.
We attended his church for a few years and when Covid hit , all of his churches closed down. Honestly it was just the excuse that I needed, not to go back. You are 100% right about his teaching. I knew something was off but it made so much sense when he said anything. I’ve been a Christian since the 1970s and should have known better, it was a wake up call for me to get back to basics and get back into the Word. ALL of the word, I’ve come to love the Old Testament so much. It’s impossible to fully understand the New Testament without knowing the Old.
The New is the old revealed for sure. I find it invaluable in talking to Jehovah Witnesses. John 5:39,40 Jesus talking to the pharisees: You search the scriptures and in them you think you have life but they are what speak of Me and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so you may have life. The scriptures He was talking about were the Tanakh. They are also invaluable for understanding the middle east conflict that is going on right now. I also listened to Andy when I was a baby Christian and he sounded so plausible but the Lord is faithful and led me out of that nonsense.
I can tell you that's he's speaking to many. I work with some who strongly believe that they don't need to read Scripture, that their relationship with Jesus is just fine without it. I can see how people would fall for it.
Amen, " For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ" 1 Corinthians 3:11 KJV. The Word is the divinely inspired Word of the Living God. Men will have to answer for the heretical teaching they teach which leads many people astray from the faith.
There are way too many illiterate Christians and that's why false preachers such as Andy Stanley gain so much standing. If Christians were literate this would've never gained as much standing amongst the church and would be called out boldly
Praise God for that!!! When I try to get through the false veil that blinds LDS people, the foremost thought in my mind is, they need to read the Bible ALONE, and not filtered through the BofM.
I got into ancient history, discovered the Old Testament for research, found the Bible stories historically plausible, and eventually came to believe the Bible is true and that Jesus is the Son of God.
@@martyjohnson8920What does it speak to you exactly? Could it be a message about who is my mother and brother (and in this case father) he who does the will of my father in heaven(obviously). It is absolutely not the will of God that we abandon the knowledge and wisdom and prophecy and inerrancy of the Old Testament. Period.
When I first heard Charles Stanley’s sons messages I thought am I not understanding him correctly because I listened to Charles Stanley’s messages almost every day at one point which helped me understand the scriptures and how to apply them to my everyday life so I am so thankful I came upon this message and hope and pray that Andy Stanley will follow the truth of the Bible like his dad did. God bless your ministry which has also been a great source of support in my understanding of the Bible. Amen 🙏🏼
I contacted the ministry personally. I asked exactly where they stood. They told me the ministry will continue with the teachings of Dr. Charles Stanley, not Andy.
To answer Andy at 1:32:50, I was 18 when my college roommate started asking me some difficult questions about Christianity and the bible. In a truly curious spirit she was asking about political ideas, my view on things as a Christian, verses other atheists online didn't like that sounded strange to her. She was severely hurt by hyper-charismatic Christians in her past and as a teenager looked up to popular athiest speakers like Richard Dawkins, my family and I were the first Christians in her life who encouraged questions and tackled them with her. We didn't push against her questions, we didn't circumvent them and ABSOLUTELY didn't dismiss the bible as unimportant or anti-Christian. My parents instilled in me respect and reverence for scripture, not a distain for it, and it lasted me well through a very un-believing campus. If I didn't know the answer to a question, or didn't know a lot about the verse she was pulling up, my instinct and response was "I don't know.... lets go look at it together", and we would pull up the NIV and read the entire chapter to put it into perspective and context. It worked out EVERY time and strengthened my confidence in the bible with each instance. Isn't that what we want as Christians who take the Bible as authority? We want our sons and daughters to be more confident in their faith? Andy keeps talking about worldview, our worldview is more vibrant and informed the more we know our scriptures. Beware those who try to convince you not to learn scripture. My friend gave her life to Jesus before she graduated college and has been Christian ever since. She's one of my roommates now and does a lot of her own research. Andy shouldn't be shying away from the tough conversations. It sounds to me like this was just too much conflict to him, and he's not cut out for the arguments, so he's going to ignore all of it to avoid confrontation. Terrible thing to say to those who are searching for answers. Stronger-willed people of other religions and worldviews generally do NOT respect lukewarm "Christians" who attack their own holy scripture. Pray for this man and all his congregants.
Great testimony. That was my personal experience when (coming from a Christian home) I finally decided to honestly wrestle with those verses I found confusing, weird, embarrassing, and bad. Every time the answers from Scripture pleasantly surprised me and strengthened my faith.
@@loveyallyangu thanks for sharing you truly we're a light in your friends dark place and what a joy to see a friend come to real lifelong faith through the scriptures .hope Andy Stanley gets to realise this before he goes further into compromise as I see he seems to be going.
Great testimony. I always wonder about so many ppl claiming to have been "severely hurt" in church/ In many cases it is ppl's natural mind reacting in horror to the truth of their own fallen state perfectly described in God's Word. I've met countless ppl claiming to be "hurt" in church, and by far, less than a quarter of them, maybe in the single digit % really had anything truly offensive happened to them. Vast majority heard something they didn't like assumed something, or had a normal human interaction and chose to use that as an excuse to go back to a life that is actually hurtful. Conversely, nearly every single lost person I know has ACTUALLY been severely hurt by, sin, in bars, chasing their own way, having promiscuous lifestyles, etc on and on, and somehow they don't use that as an excuse to quit. I'm glad your friend was open to the Word, and you were there to learn with her and guide her. Praise God for open willing hearts.
Andy was my youth pastor growing up. I know him personally. I have left his church 20+ years ago. But had an interaction in 2017 to address his stance on homosexuality. This was before it was so public. In a conversation with one of the pastors there, the pastor was a guy that I went to school with and went to youth group with me, so I know him well. He refused to believe what scripture said about homosexuality but also in that meeting, I discovered that Andy doesn’t believe in hell. So that’s why he continues to diminish the Bible so he can preach Andy’s word.
Brother Mike I applaud your heart in confronting people in the church that claim the name of Christ. I never hear you coming at these teachers in anything other than love, and I know that is The Spirit guiding you. I praise God for your ministry, and I know you give Him the glory. Continue to go where The Spirit leads! God bless you sir!
Any time I have had a concern or doubt about the Bible, I moved toward it, not away from it. When I investigated the concern or doubt, each question I had was adequately resolved. So much so that I gained confidence that I no longer needed to fear any doubts or concerns, instead I needed to read more on the subject so I could understand it better. Each time I did, my faith was strengthened and my understanding of the Bible was stronger.
Excellent approach! This acknowledged that the Bible is the standard and we are to be changed by it, instead of standing in judgment over it. If there is something difficult in the Bible, either I don't understand the context or meaning, or I need to be transformed more by the Holy Spirit.
Absolutely. I became a Christian at 65 years old and get up early because I need to read my Bible. I’m reading it in a year and will do it again next year. So many revelations and knowledge of God’s character.
Wow, that's a really cool way to handle it. What I've learned is that anytime something really doesn't make sense to just step back and understand that God will reveal to me the meaning sooner or later and not worry about it, trust in God for the meaning. I've had stuff that I thought truly didn't make sense in the bible and years later it popped up and made total sense, God then revealed and gave the answer to me.
Wow...just...wow! I'm old (60), so was very familiar with Andy's dad, Charles Stanley. I really enjoyed Charles Stanley for the most part, he got a little "hinky" towards the end of his life, but nothing, and I mean NOTHING like his son Andy. What a shame...I find it difficult to believe that Andy doesn't KNOW any better? I guess I shouldn't assume that he was taught or even accepted correct Biblical teaching just because of who his dad was. THANK YOU Mike for this video. I have to tell you, you are SUCH a blessing to me. A friend on Facebook recommended your channel to me about a month ago, and I've been binge-watching it ever since. You are SO Biblically sound and solid, and I for one am SO thankful for you, your wife (cause truly, it's the wives behind the scenes...am I right? 😉 ), and just your heart for the Lord. I've been sharing your channel with everyone I know. What you are doing truly is quite rare in this day, and I for one appreciate it. You are kind, gentle, and obviously spirit lead. You're like this generation's (not MINE, but younger) Bible Answer Man, but without the snark. 😆So thank you...keep it up, and you are in my prayers! Have a wonderful Christmas.
When Charles Stanley was close to death, Andy tried to use him in an interview video to support Andy's teaching. It seemed clear that his father was a little confused, but rather than give Andy's support for his satanic teaching, Charles simply said "i think we can all be grateful that Andy is Andy." He preached a number of messages to refute Andy. Unfortunately not everyone in our family will know Christ. The road is narrow and difficult. Personally, I think Andy is in the closet. I've never met a person who positions homosexuality as morally superior who was not gay. I also think he is more interested in money from parishioners that teaching the word of God. I know we should all pray for him, but I sense so much arrogance and false pride in him and his voice that I think he has placed himself beyond salvation. It would take a lot to humble him enough to admit and correct his false doctrine.
This made me genuinely sad. And then somewhat angry. Andy Stanley clearly suffered a crisis of faith at some point in his life that he hadn't fully recovered from at the time of this sermon. He sounded like a man who managed to piece back a shattered faith, but his best attempt was to patch it back together with the pieces of understanding he was most comfortable with. While that's understandable as he worked through his recovery, he had no right to impose this new version of his faith on anyone else, much less a mass of people. He also sounded intimidated by and oddly admiring of the intellectual atheists he kept referring to. They clearly impressed him more than they should have. What a pity he couldn't withstand the devil within them. He refers, so egregiously, to the Bible as cobbled together, when his faith is clearly what's cobbled together. I hope he receives the touch he so clearly needs from the Holy Spirit, and I pray that one day he'll mount the same pulpit to repudiate this heresy. 🙏🏽
While listening to Andy Stanley, I was reminded of Luke ch. 16, the rich man and the beggar. The beggar died and went to Abraham's bosom, and the rich man died and went to Hades. The rich man begged Abraham to let Lazarus warn his brothers about the torment of hell, so they could repent and be spared. Abraham refused, saying "If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead." How fitting this quote is for this sermon! Andy Stanley argues that the resurrection should be the basis for faith, but this passage tells us that even resurrection from the dead cannot change the heart of one who is set against God.
Judges 11:26-40, Jephthah sacrifices his daughter in the wake of Abraham offering Isaac. Why is this important? Paul's celibacy doctrine in 1 Corinthians 7:33-34 and 1 Timothy 5:11. Is Christ for marriage, or for celibacy? Matthew 16:25 and Matthew 9:10 (Lord's Prayer) advocate submission, but submission to what? Jesus calls Peter "Satan" in Matthew 16:23-25 right after establishing that Peter is the church in Matthew 16:18. John 10:10 says that the thief comes to steal, but Revelation 16:15 and Thessalonians 5:2 say that Jesus will come as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:4 says that some are not in darkness, is that darkness forbidding of marriage, alcohol, and pork, as per 1 Timothy 4:3? I ask you to consider the implication of 1 Timothy 4:3 in reference to Christianity as Mark 7:5-16 says of the Pharisees, that they follow the teachings of Men, and view John 10:10 in the light of a warning that Christianity, the Bible, is the thief that is coming to steal and destroy.
@@marvinmallette6795 Jephthah didn't sacrifice his daughter like an animal, he offered her to be in service of God instead of marrying her off to a man. Paul did not teach that people should be celibate, he was saying that being single allows for more focus on ministry and serving God; he also mentioned people who forbid marriage and called that a doctrine of demons. He said if you don't have the ability to stay single (focused on ministry) it's better to marry. Jesus didn't say that Peter is the church, he said he would build his church on the foundation of the truth that "Jesus is the Christ," as Peter stated. Then later he called Peter "satan" because in that moment Peter was trying to work against the will of God for the Messiah. The term "satan" means "adversary." Jesus calls Satan "the thief" who steals, kills and destroys. He then contrasts that by saying that he (Jesus) comes that they might have Life, and have it more abundantly. He describes himself as being "like a thief" only in the context that when he returns it will be sudden and unexpected, like a thief breaking into a house; wicked people will be unprepared. It's a metaphor. There are answers to your confusion and lack of study, but you can twist almost anything and take it out of context to say something it doesn't.
@@HarmonicWave I don't see where any of that changes what I said. You do not make your argument clear, or convincing. Common teaching is that Judges 11:26-40 is descriptive, not prescriptive. That is, the chapter is not about what one should do, but merely what happened. My argument is that Paul's teachings, presumably in light of Judges 11:26-40, and Genesis 38, etc., are transformative works which are prescriptive. I also emphasis that it is not clear that Paul is "not" teaching celibacy, to the degree that it does, in fact, appear that Paul is in fact teaching celibacy, if you "chew your food", and allow the writing to properly digest. Hebrews 12:1 purports a race that shall be run, a marathon of endurance. This challenges the reader to strive for perfection. But what does that perfection look like, when you are studying the Bible, and then when will you complete your studies? Genesis 1:28 would seem another verse at odds, but the Dispensationalist who argues from a New Testament Only position might find that it is transformed into the great commission, Matthew 28:19. If you extract Hebrews 11:12, and apply that verse "out of context" to the Christ as an example of a reflection of Christ in scripture, you might get a clearer concept of how the puzzle is being assembled.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh... I have followed Charles Stanley for such a long time. I know that Charles Stanley has passed away (that knowledge still makes me tear up), but hearing a dialog between him and his son have a conversation about this would be incredible.....and possiblyheartbreaking!!! The Bible is the word of God. If you disagree with God's word? Then you are wrong, because God's word is true.
You concluded the video with my story. This exact sermon was the beginning of the end for us at a NorthPoint affiliated church. The end was the announcement of the trans affirming conference. This drove me to a Grace Church where God is holy and His Word is held high and highly cherished. Praise the Lord!
Just want to clarify for you: The conference was NOT trans affirming. The conference was neutral -and its goal was to help CHRISTIAN parents who have an LGBTQ child and don't know where to turn or where to get resources. What a fantastic way to love our brothers and sisters in Christ who are Christian parents searching for how to move forward and how to treat their child. To that end, the organizers did invite some speakers who themselves are affirming and other speakers who themselves are non-affirming...but the conference itself was neutral. Some people can get mad that they allowed some affirming speakers to talk to these Christian parents, but what are we afraid of? Just because a speaker was affirming does that automatically mean these Christian parents will accept everything they say as gospel? Do these Christian parents not have the Holy Spirit to help them take what is helpful and leave the rest behind? To act like a Christian can NEVER learn anything from an affirming speaker is ridiculous.
After being saved for over 30 years, I have found from conversations that the great majority of people are more struggling with spiritual abuse they have experienced or they are battling why God allowed catastrophic trauma to happen in one’s life. Not once has someone told me the Bible is what kept them from the faith. Unfortunately, many churches don’t know how to respond to those with spiritual abuse or severe life trauma. Many times, their actions make things worse. Sometimes people just need to feel loved and safe before they can start talking about the basics of following Christ. I know that was life changing for me. Gave me a chance to find my feet so I could delve into truths I hadn’t not delved into before. Also, most churches don’t offer any form of discipleship. That is a huge thing for those of us who weren’t raised in a Christian family and don’t have anyone in our lives that we can talk to.
I wonder if Andy has dealt with his own childhood suffering. He might be jealous of the Bible or feel like his earthly father loved the Bible more than he loved Andy (for hypothetical example).
My experience of walking away was because of both the spiritual abuse and the horrible things I read in the Bible but tbf people who are abusing people spiritually also DMF know how to explain those passages.
@@matthewmcguigan4293 Made some good points. No telling what he is battling from his childhood. We do need to pray for him to find his way back to the loving Father.
Indeed, a real healthy church is not that only gathers once a week to hear some songs and a speech. A real church is a community of believers who pursuit the Lord together. They live together and share their lives together. They worship together, study the Bible together and minister together. That’s how discipleship works, by living with the master.
Mike, I was actually there watching this sermon live that day. I do not remember a lot of church services, but I do remember this one. As a new Christian, I left the service feeling like something was off but at the same time, it sounded so compelling! I brushed it off at the time. When I saw your video up I thought ‘finally an answer to questions I had 9 years ago!’ Amazing how God works. Thank you so much for this.
I appreciate how Mike’s videos calling out false teachers is done with a grieved heart. Mike doesn’t gleefully shoot down a preacher gone wrong the way so many of the discernment TH-camrs do. Also, Mike expresses compassion for the people who are hurt and deceived by false doctrine. Sadly, that kind of compassionate is rare ☹️
he also shows a lot of grace in trying to understand things in the best way possible (some would argue he goes too far with this at times) but his desire to speak the truth in love is always clear in his videos
My experience of people who undermine the Scriptures consider their own opinion more relevant and more valid. In so doing, such a person is elevating their own mind and thoughts as superior to the Scriptures, and ultimately, elevating their own opinion as superior to God's Word. It stems from pride of the heart and an unwillingness to submit to the authority of Scripture.
I went to Andy’s churches for 25 years! Started attending only months after the original campus opened. My family left in October 2023 after his atrocious October 1st manifesto. Many of my friends have also left. The whole summer series from 2023 was horrific. It’s so sad to me. This church was a big part of my life for so long but Andy’s teaching is so bad I just cannot.
mcarther-stanley father / son BOTH, Washer, Comfort, Sproul, Spurgeon, Tozzer, Peters, This guy, etc. witchcraft spells has poisoned the entire USA SUN day church realm. You're seeing WHY Christ said FEW will make it into his Kingdom
Greetings, Mike. Last night, I got a livestream that had your face on it, so I went to it because I think you are about the most thoughtful Christian teachers in the country today (praise God). I was absolutely deceived once this started, for a youth pastor came on and attempted to refute your video on PSA. He was snarky and arrogant, using philosophy without much Scripture to support his Catholic and Orthodox heresy. His thinking was replete with what I call IOSTRs, which are when we can say or imply that after going to a prooftext, "It Only Stands To Reason," we have been subtly moved from the thoughts of God to the thoughts of men, which are vulnerable to deception. This is philosophy, which creates contention but does not carry the authority and power of Scripture. But it really feels good, for it strokes our egos (I battle this daily). I was soundly born again 46 years ago and grew up in a home where my mother was decipled by M.R. HeHanns' daughter for much of my youth. I have wonderful memories of John Wolvord and many other theologians discussing theology and eschatology at our dining room table. I got soundly saved at 19 and had an appetite for studying and understanding the only book that calls (3800 times) "the Word of God". This young man sowed the most confusion I have ever heard. One thing I would encourage you to use that sound mind to study, for yourself the "Church Father" writings that we were deceived into quoting and are now studying. With so many people around me going into Rome, I felt I needed to study these writings over the past six years. The more I dig, the more I get angry at myself for quoting well-curated quotes from these spurious, unreliable writings. When one investigates these writings, one finds some orthodox ideas, often with different definitions, along with a mountain of Rome's heresies embedded within (that we naive evangelicals just ignore). When we selectively quote something to those we teach today, the next generation will remember their names and read and believe the things we ignored, and thus will be reasoned into Rome. We need to first avoid this swamp, which brings confusion and inadvertently validates Rome. Then, it would be wise to study the subject and warn the church of the many heretical things taught by these writings. After you accumulate all the heresy they taught and warn us of, you will have to say, "If these people are occasionally quoting the Word of God but have so many errors, why don't I ignore them and return to Scripture, history books up to the end of the first century, and lexicons? The rest is just too murky and pseudodepigraphic. I sincerely believe the Mormons have fewer problems than these writings, and we would wisely never quote their writings for we would say they validate Mormonism... The same should apply to spurios "church history. Stay in the fight, little brother, and I praise God for your impact on the Bride.
@@craighelgerson2698 i agree. Quoting some dead guy or famous guy or some popular guy as if he (or she) is the authority is fraught with danger. The calvinists do it all the time.
My teen saved daughter recently brought up the account of Elisha cursing the children and I told her I had heard some teaching on it but would need to read / listen to it again before we have a discussion. Then I said to her, the Bible is God’s word so even when we read something we are unsure about, we trust that God allowed it to be included for a reason. It’s a terrible thing when leaders deliberately twist the word to suit themselves and lead people astray.
A part of that is what I would argue was a translation error. The Hebrew word can mean child as we use it, yes, but the word is much broader, closer to how something like “youth” might be used in English. From there, you might notice that the (as we later see rather large) group is not only mocking a prophet of God (not the smartest thing) but basically telling him to drop dead (“go on up” like Elijah did). It could be argued that that constitutes a threat. That there is even a group this large in the culture of the time suggests nothing good about their character since they’re clearly not where they’re supposed to be (they should have been helping their fathers with work or learning something useful, not hanging out outside the city. The concept of freetime for non-adults we have today is a very modern one). Then there’s the absurdity of the reported number of casualties. That it even got to the double digits suggests that the boys decided to not run for their lives back to the city but instead decided to pick a fight with them, which clearly didn’t go well. Most people focus on the boys being on the wrong end of a bear attack rather than ask the question of what they were doing there in the first place or why they thought insulting a prophet was a good idea.
Agreeing with the comment above, these were not children. There’s a video about it on the channel Disciple Dojo that goes into a lot of details to prove that from how the same word is used elsewhere. Also, this story happened in Bethel which was the hub of idolatry. Like the comment above was saying, they should have known better than to mock a prophet but were in open rebellion.
I understand there was no type of published Bible in the early days like we have now, but if the point Andy is trying to make is true then why was the Apostle Paul commending the Bereans for searching the old testament scriptures to make sure his ( Paul's ) new testament teachings were true?
Amen! Every letter references the Tanakh. Jesus said in John 5:39,40 to the pharisees, You search the scripture and in them you think you have life but they are what speak of Me and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so you may have life. The scriptures He was speaking of was the Tanakh, the Brit Hadishah had not been written yet.
In our small group we did a bible study from Andy and I must have a strong sense of discernment after listening to him for five minutes, I went out to read about him and watch videos and can say that Andy Stanley is another wolf in sheep's clothing. We need to pray for him to gain wisdom and the biggest victims, the church goers of those campuses.
@@LawlessNate If you are saved, you would certainly feel God telling you "STOP! What you're saying is wrong, don't speak!" The fact he did a full sermon, and who knows how many sermons like this...☠️
This is odd to say the least. Andy says we don't need to believe in Scripture but only the resurrection. Being someone who has never witnessed the resurrection I believe because of Scripture. None of what he said makes sense to me. Atheists have also attacked the apostles account of the resurrection... Where does Andy stand on that? He won't stand very long if pushed hard enough. Great video Mike, thanks for posting.
This was my thought as well. He's not claiming that Peter's foundation is the resurrection necessarily, but rather that Peter's foundation is that he witnessed the resurrection. I can never say that I witnessed the resurrection, so Andy has effectively removed my only way of assurance by removing any reliance on Scripture. I actually can't even know what Peter would have said, because I have to dump my Bible in the trash, and Peter himself is long gone. What a hopeless foundation Andy has proposed.
I'm just an average grandmother, but I know that the disciples had access to scripture, and Jesus and the New Testament writers quoted scripture all the time. It's like he is blaming scripture for people's doubts.
That's what frustrates me so much about what Andy is saying. The NT doesn't make sense without the OT. There's context laid out in the OT that revealed in the NT. The OT is the result of the promise God made to Adam and Eve when he exiled them from the garden of Eden. The NT is the fulfillment of that promise. Andy either doesn't understand this or he does and is trying to undermine the NT by separating it from the OT.
Yes, the complete Old Testament was available at the time of Christ and circulated within the Jewish community. So, what Andy is saying is not true. I believe that Andy, in his attempt to remove obstacles that make the church resistible to the world, actually views the Bible itself as one of those obstacles. I also believe an underlying reason Andy has this view is that he, personally, has issues with certain sections of scripture. I won’t say specifically what those sections are but he has in the past called sections of the Bible ‘clobber passages’ when it’s simply God’s truth.
At the time of Christ and His disciples the scriptures were in the synagogue and the temple where they were kept and read. They were quoting them from memory, not packing around their own Bibles. 1500 years before the printing press it wouldn't have made much of a difference since more than 90% of the people couldn't read or write and probably why Jesus said to listen to the pharisees just not do what they did.
You are so kind, addressing the error without attacking Andy as a person (who desperately needs truth, so scary as teachers have a stricter judgement). I came out of the Roman Catholic Church. Thankful someone took the time to show me scripture and lead me to the salvation, at 19, I so needed. I'm 56 now and the Word of God is Light, the Plumbline of my life. If someone tried to take that away, I'm ruined. The scripture and Christ's fulfillment of it has power, sustaining power. I have an unshakable Rock. But again, thank you, Mike, for being so Christlike in presenting the truth in love. God bless you and yours.
What I have learned here: The fast way to defeat a false teacher is to measure him by his own yardstick. In this case, for someone who's trying to argue that the Bible isn't important, he sure quotes it a lot, and extensively.
What amazes me is how he flies at breakneck speed through scripture he reads like he’s thinking “yeah whatever”, but when he quotes atheists he quotes them emphatically and thoughtful at a slower pace.
My phone was having trouble loading it... 2 minutes in... And I was thinking "uh oh, this one is gone." I'm glad it's still here because I want this teaching.
@emmaaudu3461 i was wondering. I'm watching on my phone through the app. If I click "download" (i never did it before), does that save it directly to my phone storage somewhere, or here in the app somewhere?
I came to the Lord 6 years ago at a very bad time in my life, I was 66 years old. I started with s couple of soft books, but decided I’ll start with the OT and finish with the New Testament. I called a long time Christian friend and told her how much I was struggling with the OT. She told me that she thought I should start with the gospels and she was 100% right. I couldn’t get enough of it for years and years. When I first started listening to Bible teaching it was Chuck Smith. I was able to go from Genesis through Revelation. Then I started watching Calvary Church Bible studies. .
I had no idea who Andy was until three years ago when I started going to a discipleship group that wanted to go through one of his sermon series for the next study that we did. It was the most shallow study I think we ever went through. I much prefer studies where we go through scripture verse by verse. When I was new to the group I had little influence in our studies. As time has progressed, I started recommending studies/sermon series that went through books of the Bible. Now, we aren’t watching studies, we are using the scripture as our curriculum. We are working our way through Daniel. Everyday, we read the chapter we are on for that week, we all have different resources we like to use, commentaries, I like listening to Verse By Verse sermons, and then as we come together each week, we go through that chapter together and discuss what scripture is saying. Something I’ve come to understand about the Bible is that “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Words are the physical manifestation of the intangible into the world (meaning your thoughts are not able to be know in the world until you give words to them and speak them into the world). Jesus is the physical manifestation of God in the world, he is the Word. All things were made through Him, and when you look at how God created the world, he spoke it all into being (God said let there be light and there was light). Today, we have The Word of God in the form of the Bible… words written by prophets and apostles. The Holy Spirit speaks fluent Scripture. When I’m in a situation and I’m about to pop off in my human nature and I find myself suddenly thinking of a scripture that makes me stop and reconsider my next words, that is the Holy Spirit. Also, there are times when I’m in a conversation with someone and out of nowhere I’m thinking about how a scripture applies to that situation. I might not be able to say what book and verse, and I might not even say “the Bible says”, but I’ll speak the Truth that came to mind and without fail God speaks to them through that every single time. You can’t know someone unless you converse with them. You can sure know ABOUT them, but there is a difference in knowing about someone and knowing them personally. What Andy is teaching is knowing About Jesus, and I hate to break it to him but even the demons and Satan believe in the resurrection. We must know Him personally, and we know him through scripture because that is how he revealed himself to us.
@@Tyler-Hoskins I recognized your comment was some kind of internet debate trap. It's just a very stupid one that'll collapse on itself even if I take the bait.
I'm sorry for so many comments, but I needed to swerve briefly into the slavery subject. I am currently unable to work, so I spend my days on X witnessing to atheists. Being saved for 46 years, I always ignored the slavery subject, though it didn't settle well. After someone confronted me about this subject last year, I felt it was time to study it for myself. It is a really heavy life because the system's guidelines are scattered throughout many places. I found it to my delight, that it was antithetical to what you and I learned about our country's corrupt system. As I got everything swept into one place, I found it profoundly brilliant and extremely benevolent (should we expect less from our Lord?). I would also encourage you to study this subject so you don't have to deflect like I lazily did for 46 years. I feel ashamed that I questioned His goodness and omniscience. It was one of the most enjoyable and encouraging studies I ever done... go for it!
The Bible is actually the one thing that brought me closer to God! When I started to read the Bible for myself and not just listen to others,that is when God & Jesus became even more crystal clear to me! ♥️♥️♥️
I can't understand how anyone can be born again and not love the Word of God. Isaiah 40:8 "... The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever.” Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
We've been in a few churches where the Pastor or leadership came into a new revelation or understanding. This understanding morphed into something that looked less and less like Christianity by any standard. All of these ministries and ministers no longer exist. Andy believes he has a revelation of believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior by trusting what the Apostles say but not relying on the Bible. How do any of us find out what these Apostles had to say? ... By reading the Bible which we are not to rely on ?... 🙄 If previous track records that I've seen are any indicator... Andy Stanley's ministry and North Point Church will cease to exist in the not to distant future.
I attended Andy's church for 23 years, he slowly turned into this watered down, World following, woke apologist. He dropped creation in favor of the ever shrinking belief of Species evolution. It was sad to watch as he used to be a great pastor. Many of the congregation called this 15yrs ago, he absolutely became what he was warned of for starting to water down messages in hopes of making unbelievers the most important members of the church. He will preach a more traditional sermon once or twice a year when money is needed for certain projects. Pray for him.
I used to be a fan/follower of Andy. But that was 20 years ago. What changed and when? This TH-cam video answers those questions. Two very notable diversions Andy took 1) Affirming LGBTQ (see sermon 'When Truthie meets Gracie') 2) Discarding the Old Testament (see sermon 'Unhitched'). It just gets worse and worse. Pray that Andy retires very soon or repents and turns back to God. Also, pray that people's eyes are opened to the reality that Andy has become an apostate and they need to RUN away from his church.
Am I missing something? I feel like the biggest concern with Andy’s argument is that I know about Jesus’ resurrection is through the BIBLE! He stresses that we should be a Christian by what we “saw” and “heard”, but I wasn’t a disciple of Jesus when he roamed the earth. At the end, he talks as if he was Peter and stresses that he believes in Jesus only because of his resurrection, but then asks how our children will defend their faith and how they should do it just like Peter would. We can’t Andy! We didn’t witness Jesus death and resurrection. We have God’s inspired word that details the story of Jesus throughout it and tells us of his miraculous death and resurrection because of his love!
Agreed, I'd like to hear Andy try & explain how we would even know about Jesus' death, resurrection & our need to accept him as Lord & Saviour without the Bible!
@jamiespinks3657 he is confused, trying to bend enough to allow the LGBTQ+ to feel better. Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. Where does Andy think those came from and what they are? Is everyone supposed to FEEL it?
This was my thought as well. I was surprised that this wasn't one of the pushbacks in the video. For those of us who weren't there for the Resurrection, all we have is the Bible
Ph.D. student in NT, here. One thing that fascinates me about Andy is that he seems to think that he is casting off the shackles of simple-minded fundamentalism when, in reality, his teaching on scripture is intellectually vacuous and has no scholarly support. I know of no scholars-be they unbelievers, believers, conservatives, liberals, etc.-who wouldn't spit out their coffee at some of his wild, Marcionate claims. Paul didn't "have a bible"? Paul quotes, alludes to, echoes, scripture at every other turn in his epistles. His thinking is saturated with the OT. Paul didn't really even leave Judaism but saw Christ as the climax and realization of Jewish hope and belief.
Well..... half the time I couldn't even process his words because I became uncomfortable....with his.....anger or frustration and it got progressively worse towards the end. To say that the Bible is cobbled together with a few manuscripts......I do deep dives into scripture and I can tell you 100% it's so beautiful and wonderfully written old and new testaments. Thank you for sharing these truths and helping us Christians grow deeper in our faith.
I don't dismiss the Bible, but it IS cobbled together. The Genesis creation story is not one, but two stories cobbled together. In Genesis 1, plants and animals are created before humans, while in Genesis 2, Adam is created first, followed by Eve and then animals. The first story primarily uses the Hebrew name "Elohim" for God, while the second uses "Yahweh" (often translated as "Lord". These are important differences indicating different writers. It doesn't diminish the importance of Scripture, but it means we should understand it differently than conflated Sunday School teachings.
This is a perfect example of why having your Bible with you in church and reading along with the teaching is so important. Anyone in the congregation who did so would have noticed those skipped verses immediately. I hope someone in his immediate congregation calls him out on this.
Really great Mike how you broke it all down. When I was a new believer many years ago Andy was a Pastor I listened to regularly. In a Bible teaching church I started to know Andy was leading me incorrectly. Thank you to the Holy Spirit ! Guidance and conviction to question Andy’s teachings and walk away.
Just off the top of my head I can take issue with Andy from a few verses: “Sanctify them by the truth-your word is truth”, “All scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for teaching, reproof, for correction for training in righteousness”, “Faith comes by hearing and hearing from the Word of God.”
Being a part of NP for over a decade, I'm so thankful my husband and I left when we got married. Andy gets people in and keeps them baby Christians, or like many friends of ours, they have completely deconstructed, and some are in the New age now or are extremely progressive Christians. It truly breaks my heart. Thank you, Mike, for addressing this.
We attended South Side campus. You are right! That’s the biggest reason why a lot of people leave. My family and friends spoke of it all the time. It was like being in Christian Kindergarten! :)
Thank you for making this Mike!!! I love Charles Stanley’s sermons, and about 6 years ago I started watching Andy Stanley’s sermons. After a short time I started noticing that something about Andy Stanley’s sermons didn’t seem quite right, but I couldn’t put my finger on why at the time so I stopped watching him about 6 years ago. I appreciate you giving words and explanations for what I felt but couldn’t articulate. Thank you Mike!!!
I go to Buckhead church, I’m very grateful for it, because I have been in a man’s group for over a decade and they become my brothers, and I love every single one of this man, in the same time my pastor is the sheep for Luke 15 and I pray for Jesus to find him because we feel he’s loose, and for this reason my brother over 10 members leave Buckhead church, I’m the only one still a member in buckhead church with gratitude 🙏 and compassion for Andy Stanley
Andy is an example of how a preacher can take a left turn, and members won't notice. The lesson? Pay attention to every sermon, every presentation, every word, each and every time, by anyone we follow.
Nice video Mike. You are kind, honest, and balanced. I've been preaching since 1976. He is one of the most gifted men I've ever heard. I live in Metro Atlanta and I fully know of his influence. He has slipped a long way. And as you point out he manipulates Scripture in a smooth powerful way that sounds great. When I was in Seminary, the last 2 years, I was a youth pastor about 50 miles from my school. His dad is one of the pastors o listened to in the car on the drive to and from classes. He was so...sound. And I was here in GA when he died. A major grief was felt. But Andy has slipped further and further from orthodoxy as his influence grows. Thanks for taking a stand in a Godly manner.
Matthew 5:17-19 [17]"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. [18]For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. [19]Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Any questions? Andy?
Acts 17:2 ► As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, I wish Andy Stanley was there to see the apostles reason FROM SCRIPTURE. He would probably have rebuked Paul as being insensitive to the gnostics.
His bible--which he wishes we would all put away--in his Bible, it doesn't say "from the scriptures." (It's a joke; he probably uses a new, perverted version.)
I left an Evangelical church (not Christ) because the senior pastor was casting doubt on the accuracy of the Bible. This brings back how disturbing it was to hear false ideas sandwiched between truths. Knowing the Bible helped me see through the flawed teaching.
Where'd you end up going? I'm currently attending an Evangelical church because it seemed the best in a bad bunch. And still SO WATERED DOWN. And seemingly political bending to every current narrative. Instead of simply teaching and talking about real issues.
@Jimbo_Conn I'm currently, for about 10 years now, attending a tiny Baptist church. They teach out of the KJV, which I grew up on & prefer. No fluff, just the meat of the word. We sing from old hymnals & support missionaries
I attended Athens Church, a North Point satellite. I very much feel Andy Stanley is a trickster. He is a motivational speaker and talks in circles. I see now why he seemed to talk in circles and dance around points of significance. I also see now why an ex girlfriend who was gay affirming introduced me to Athens Church. Pray for all still attending.
One thing many people don’t think to much about Imagine a world without constant commercials, modern pop music, modern cinema, etc The Israelites he is referring to went to Synagogue every Sabbath to at least show their faces. In the synagogue, scripture was read every single week from the scrolls. These people had a large portion of Bible memorized even the lower classes
There is a north point church in my little town. When I was struggling with a new pastor in my church I decided to go and check out this church. First I walk in a new person never been there, I was greeted by no one. There is a coffee shop in the building. In my mind that is strike one. Strike 2 was during the sermon. He never even cracked open the Bible. Strike 3 was when he preached tolerance. I believe we should be tolerant to a point but I also believe we should call out evil. This pastor was a go along to get along. My impression. Chain church. Nothing is wrong with a chain church, it's just not for me. Thank you and God bless.
There is everything wrong with a chain church. Christianity makes us stand out and invites persecution which would not allow for it to become a franchise. Franchises are about making money like a business.
Thank you for this, Mike! We are called to expose false teachers. We are called to judge those inside the church. God will judge those outside. What drives his false teaching? Money and power? It is sad.
I believe he's fully moving towards "side B" theology as a way of pleasing and accepting the LBGT+ people into his church. In order to do that, you have to ignore huge sections of the OT and also deny the inerrancy of Scripture.
@@cwengl I would agree. I am going to look into some of Andy's recent offerings and see how things are going for him. He must have broke his father's heart, Charles, before he died in 2023.
His daddy did not teach such things and it's so sad to see the ministry turn to this. He needs prayer to get back on the road that his daddy walked and taught. Charles Stanley was a good teacher and I don't know where his son went wrong 😢. I didn't watch all of Charles' sermons though, so maybe Andy learned this from him and I just missed it?
I followed Andy Stanley for a long time. As a business man and an Elder at my church, a lot of what he said really resonated with me. This is about when he lost me and then the more recent comments on the alphabet stuff. You have to understand the OT in order to understand why these men reacted the way they did to a risen Christ. It wasn't just what they had seen but that what they had seen confirmed what they had known from the Hebrew scriptures. Genesis is my favorite book in the Bible. To understand so much of Christ's ministry, you need to understand the prologue. It is so disappointing to hear Christian leaders try to stand over the fault line (thank you Voddie Bauchem) and be loved by the world while being a Christian influencer at the same time. Thank you for the encouragement to stand firm on the Word of God. God Bless...Andy
This comment right here! Without the OT Jesus resurrection is just a weird thing that happened. Lazarus was raised from the dead. No one said these kind of things about him.
There's a lot of Scriptures that are offensive to the world, but we don't get rid of them. If someone abandons the faith because of those Scriptures, then they were probably not truly in the faith to begin with. Jesus is a rock of offense to those who are of the world. The Church must stand firm and not water down the Word of Life, more so now than ever as the end draws closer! The world needs more of the Word, not less!
First of all, the didn’t believe the Bible was anything because the Bible didn’t exist. Secondly, many early Christian practices directly contradicted or conflicted with the ancient laws and practices in the Old Testament. So yeah, while they definitely didn’t leave the whole thing behind, they definitely left a big part of its teachings and principles behind.
@@Tyler-Hoskinsdo you understand that the apostles were first hand witnesses? And the New Testament are the words and letters and understanding of those people. We do not have first hand account of the gospel of Christ, so the Bible (the written word and testimony) is the next best thing we have. The old and new testament’s are not different they are the same. The new is the old fulfilled. Do you remember Jesus’ two greatest commandments? They are WORD for WORD but concise summarizations of Deuteronomy 6 and Leviticus 19.
@@Tyler-Hoskinswhen you say “the Bible didn’t exist” in contrast to those of us who say the Bible did (in part) exist in that time, what do you think we are claiming? Of course the New Testament wasn’t present. No one is claiming that. But we are claiming that the passages of Scripture that we now call the Old Testament were present and well quoted within the New Testament. If you have reasoning as to why this is incorrect, I’ll gladly hear you out.
The most heart, breaking hard about Andy Stanley, to be a famous and successful pastor is when you realize it is God’s punishment on us. Because we have raised up for ourselves teachers to tell us what we want to hear, gods curses upon us, for he has given us what we have asked for.
I wonder if Andy would take the stance that if we can find one thing wrong with what he preaches that he should be not used at all as a preacher and his teachings be shown to have no value?
Sorry, new Christian here, I don't know this guy, but he seems like he is intentionally leading people away from God. The only reason he seems to want people to stay is so he can have influence over them... but who knows?
That's the kind of discernment any Christian should have, but unfortunately Christians have been lulled to sleep by being shamed against using common sense.
So Andy Stanley is the son of the late renown preacher Charles Stanley (I grew up listening to him) . Anyways he’s got some huge shoes to fill, but this is going a weird wrong direction. If his Dad could hear Andy Stanley now😳
What you mentioned in Minute 38 was my understanding of Andy Stanley's message. If I struggle with the creations story, or the way the men, women and children were obliterated in the OT (I don't struggle with these...just an example) then I can point to Jesus and say, "you're right...that's difficult...but Jesus believed it and I believe in Him and His resurrection, etc. so if He believed it, so do I..." My understanding is that the resurrection is what affirms everything in scripture...without the resurrection, we don't have anything...so, the resurrection is what we primarily ask a potential or new believer to focus on...and then as they mature in their faith, they come to better understand or accept (to they extent we can ever understand) everything else.
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What the heck happened to Andy? Nothing like his father. He went off the rails a long time ago and I quit listening to him when the teachings got weird. Not sure why people are sitting there listening to deception. What a shame!
I guess some people don't know their Bible. Some like what he says. Some think he must have good thoughts because of his father. There are multiple reasons and it's sad. 😢
If my pastor referred to the Bible as a “cleverly cobbled together group of manuscripts” I and my family would be looking for a new church.
Same here!
It is a collection of books written over a long period of time. Job was written hundreds of years before Psalms, for example.
@@silvereight6054that's true, but the connotation of that description is that it's an arbitrary collection, rather that God's word.
You know where you learn God's character? The Bible.
You know where you learn what sin is and how bad our sin is? The Bible.
You know where you learn who Jesus, the real Jesus, is? The Bible.
You know where you learn the good news that Jesus died so we can be forgiven of sin and live forever? The Bible.
You know where you learn how we should live as believers? The Bible.
The channel @TruthisChrist explores all sorts of patterns found in the bible (specifically the KJV). Once you've seen them, it's really difficult to deny that God put it all together.
@@jules47127An example or two of these "patterns" would be appreciated.
"If they don't believe Moses and the Prophets , neither will they believe if a man raises from the dead"
What a great reply!
Luke 16:31. Directly from Jesus' preaching, however technically not a red letter quote.
@@biancaCGT777 Impressive succinct response. So encouraged seeing this from a younger believer!
Amen !!!
@@KaoXoniJesus said it was the words of Abraham to the rich man in the place of torment.
We attended his church for a few years and when Covid hit , all of his churches closed down. Honestly it was just the excuse that I needed, not to go back. You are 100% right about his teaching. I knew something was off but it made so much sense when he said anything. I’ve been a Christian since the 1970s and should have known better, it was a wake up call for me to get back to basics and get back into the Word. ALL of the word, I’ve come to love the Old Testament so much. It’s impossible to fully understand the New Testament without knowing the Old.
The New is the old revealed for sure. I find it invaluable in talking to Jehovah Witnesses.
John 5:39,40 Jesus talking to the pharisees: You search the scriptures and in them you think you have life but they are what speak of Me and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so you may have life.
The scriptures He was talking about were the Tanakh.
They are also invaluable for understanding the middle east conflict that is going on right now.
I also listened to Andy when I was a baby Christian and he sounded so plausible but the Lord is faithful and led me out of that nonsense.
@@Onlyonepersonsview Amen!
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You do know the Word is Jesus, right? Not the Bible… please read John 1
@@wiscobuckeye the Holy Bible is the word; The Word is Jesus. You can’t dismiss one.
What I learned from Andy Stanley: Read your Bible to avoid people like Andy Stanley
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What I learned from Andy Stanley:
Listen to his father Charles and not him
Amen!
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Haha right
He treats the Bible as if it's a burden when it's a blessing. We're fortunate to have God's word revealed to us.
I can tell you that's he's speaking to many. I work with some who strongly believe that they don't need to read Scripture, that their relationship with Jesus is just fine without it. I can see how people would fall for it.
Amen!
@ryanbrasher8185 that is well said!
The Bible would be a burden even stumbling if you didn't know how to read it.
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Amen!!!
Without the word of God we don't have a foundation.
Amen, " For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ" 1 Corinthians 3:11 KJV. The Word is the divinely inspired Word of the Living God. Men will have to answer for the heretical teaching they teach which leads many people astray from the faith.
Yes..the ENTIRE Word
The Achilles heel as a Christian is to not know the scriptures
YES. 💯
There are way too many illiterate Christians and that's why false preachers such as Andy Stanley gain so much standing. If Christians were literate this would've never gained as much standing amongst the church and would be called out boldly
Exactly!
Truer words have never been spoken...except for Christ. Lol
YES!! EXACTLY!!
The Bible was what brought me out of Mormonism and into Christianity. ❤️
Same here
Praise God for that!!!
When I try to get through the false veil that blinds LDS people, the foremost thought in my mind is, they need to read the Bible ALONE, and not filtered through the BofM.
Me too!
I got into ancient history, discovered the Old Testament for research, found the Bible stories historically plausible, and eventually came to believe the Bible is true and that Jesus is the Son of God.
PRAISE THE LORD GLORY TO GOD
Despite the numerous quotations from the KJV in BoM
Heaven and earth will pass away together with Andy Stanley but the WORD OF GOD will *NEVER* NEVER*NEVER* pass away.
On the road to Emmaus, Jesus chose to take them through the Scriptures instead of revealing himself risen.
Well said! Thank you.
Very good point!
That kept coming to mind for me as well throughout this video.
HUGE.
Excellent point.
Andy is perhaps the best example of a wolf in sheep's clothing. He looks so gentle and amicable while his message is deadly to a Christian's faith.
@@stevej71393 He had a very Godly father. That speaks volumes to many of us.
He needs prayer for his true salvation and believing God’s word
Satan often wears a warm cardigan sweater and wears glasses. Ha
To me he kinda looks like that creepy guy Ted Bundy 😁
@@martyjohnson8920What does it speak to you exactly? Could it be a message about who is my mother and brother (and in this case father) he who does the will of my father in heaven(obviously).
It is absolutely not the will of God that we abandon the knowledge and wisdom and prophecy and inerrancy of the Old Testament. Period.
When I first heard Charles Stanley’s sons messages I thought am I not understanding him correctly because I listened to Charles Stanley’s messages almost every day at one point which helped me understand the scriptures and how to apply them to my everyday life so I am so thankful I came upon this message and hope and pray that Andy Stanley will follow the truth of the Bible like his dad did. God bless your ministry which has also been a great source of support in my understanding of the Bible. Amen 🙏🏼
Is Andy Stanley on meth, or is the playback speed set at 200%?
I contacted the ministry personally. I asked exactly where they stood. They told me the ministry will continue with the teachings of Dr. Charles Stanley, not Andy.
@@Sawpainter_td Which ministry? Since Andy has his own I'm not sure why that would affect a church he left. Fortunately churches are not inherited.
To answer Andy at 1:32:50, I was 18 when my college roommate started asking me some difficult questions about Christianity and the bible. In a truly curious spirit she was asking about political ideas, my view on things as a Christian, verses other atheists online didn't like that sounded strange to her. She was severely hurt by hyper-charismatic Christians in her past and as a teenager looked up to popular athiest speakers like Richard Dawkins, my family and I were the first Christians in her life who encouraged questions and tackled them with her. We didn't push against her questions, we didn't circumvent them and ABSOLUTELY didn't dismiss the bible as unimportant or anti-Christian. My parents instilled in me respect and reverence for scripture, not a distain for it, and it lasted me well through a very un-believing campus.
If I didn't know the answer to a question, or didn't know a lot about the verse she was pulling up, my instinct and response was "I don't know.... lets go look at it together", and we would pull up the NIV and read the entire chapter to put it into perspective and context. It worked out EVERY time and strengthened my confidence in the bible with each instance. Isn't that what we want as Christians who take the Bible as authority? We want our sons and daughters to be more confident in their faith? Andy keeps talking about worldview, our worldview is more vibrant and informed the more we know our scriptures. Beware those who try to convince you not to learn scripture.
My friend gave her life to Jesus before she graduated college and has been Christian ever since. She's one of my roommates now and does a lot of her own research. Andy shouldn't be shying away from the tough conversations. It sounds to me like this was just too much conflict to him, and he's not cut out for the arguments, so he's going to ignore all of it to avoid confrontation. Terrible thing to say to those who are searching for answers. Stronger-willed people of other religions and worldviews generally do NOT respect lukewarm "Christians" who attack their own holy scripture. Pray for this man and all his congregants.
Great testimony. That was my personal experience when (coming from a Christian home) I finally decided to honestly wrestle with those verses I found confusing, weird, embarrassing, and bad. Every time the answers from Scripture pleasantly surprised me and strengthened my faith.
I love your comment. It brings me joy to know there are young Christians still growing and sharing their faith.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
@@loveyallyangu thanks for sharing you truly we're a light in your friends dark place and what a joy to see a friend come to real lifelong faith through the scriptures .hope Andy Stanley gets to realise this before he goes further into compromise as I see he seems to be going.
Great testimony. I always wonder about so many ppl claiming to have been "severely hurt" in church/ In many cases it is ppl's natural mind reacting in horror to the truth of their own fallen state perfectly described in God's Word. I've met countless ppl claiming to be "hurt" in church, and by far, less than a quarter of them, maybe in the single digit % really had anything truly offensive happened to them. Vast majority heard something they didn't like assumed something, or had a normal human interaction and chose to use that as an excuse to go back to a life that is actually hurtful.
Conversely, nearly every single lost person I know has ACTUALLY been severely hurt by, sin, in bars, chasing their own way, having promiscuous lifestyles, etc on and on, and somehow they don't use that as an excuse to quit.
I'm glad your friend was open to the Word, and you were there to learn with her and guide her. Praise God for open willing hearts.
Andy was my youth pastor growing up. I know him personally. I have left his church 20+ years ago. But had an interaction in 2017 to address his stance on homosexuality. This was before it was so public. In a conversation with one of the pastors there, the pastor was a guy that I went to school with and went to youth group with me, so I know him well. He refused to believe what scripture said about homosexuality but also in that meeting, I discovered that Andy doesn’t believe in hell. So that’s why he continues to diminish the Bible so he can preach Andy’s word.
Once you get rid of hell, just like Rob Bell, then you become “alphabet people” affirming.
Oh so Jesus was wrong and Andy was right?!😅😅
We definitely need to lift Andy up in prayer.
Judgement and hell is literally part of the foundation of our faith. Without God's judgment we dont need Jesus
Thank you for your insight. It’s interesting to hear from one who has interacted with Andy.
Andy's understanding summarized as "we must be unburden by what has been."
yes. that sermon could be described as a word salad.
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Brother Mike I applaud your heart in confronting people in the church that claim the name of Christ. I never hear you coming at these teachers in anything other than love, and I know that is The Spirit guiding you. I praise God for your ministry, and I know you give Him the glory. Continue to go where The Spirit leads! God bless you sir!
Yes! Agree 100%.
Any time I have had a concern or doubt about the Bible, I moved toward it, not away from it. When I investigated the concern or doubt, each question I had was adequately resolved. So much so that I gained confidence that I no longer needed to fear any doubts or concerns, instead I needed to read more on the subject so I could understand it better. Each time I did, my faith was strengthened and my understanding of the Bible was stronger.
Excellent approach! This acknowledged that the Bible is the standard and we are to be changed by it, instead of standing in judgment over it. If there is something difficult in the Bible, either I don't understand the context or meaning, or I need to be transformed more by the Holy Spirit.
Absolutely. I became a Christian at 65 years old and get up early because I need to read my Bible. I’m reading it in a year and will do it again next year. So many revelations and knowledge of God’s character.
That's the experience that I had with the doubts and concerns I had, growing up in the faith.
Absolutely! God is always faithful to open our eyes when we are truly seeking Him in His Word.
Wow, that's a really cool way to handle it. What I've learned is that anytime something really doesn't make sense to just step back and understand that God will reveal to me the meaning sooner or later and not worry about it, trust in God for the meaning. I've had stuff that I thought truly didn't make sense in the bible and years later it popped up and made total sense, God then revealed and gave the answer to me.
Wow...just...wow! I'm old (60), so was very familiar with Andy's dad, Charles Stanley. I really enjoyed Charles Stanley for the most part, he got a little "hinky" towards the end of his life, but nothing, and I mean NOTHING like his son Andy. What a shame...I find it difficult to believe that Andy doesn't KNOW any better? I guess I shouldn't assume that he was taught or even accepted correct Biblical teaching just because of who his dad was. THANK YOU Mike for this video. I have to tell you, you are SUCH a blessing to me. A friend on Facebook recommended your channel to me about a month ago, and I've been binge-watching it ever since. You are SO Biblically sound and solid, and I for one am SO thankful for you, your wife (cause truly, it's the wives behind the scenes...am I right? 😉 ), and just your heart for the Lord. I've been sharing your channel with everyone I know. What you are doing truly is quite rare in this day, and I for one appreciate it. You are kind, gentle, and obviously spirit lead. You're like this generation's (not MINE, but younger) Bible Answer Man, but without the snark. 😆So thank you...keep it up, and you are in my prayers! Have a wonderful Christmas.
I feel like his dad would be full of sorrow if he could see his son preaching like this. It makes me so sad
When Charles Stanley was close to death, Andy tried to use him in an interview video to support Andy's teaching. It seemed clear that his father was a little confused, but rather than give Andy's support for his satanic teaching, Charles simply said "i think we can all be grateful that Andy is Andy." He preached a number of messages to refute Andy.
Unfortunately not everyone in our family will know Christ. The road is narrow and difficult. Personally, I think Andy is in the closet. I've never met a person who positions homosexuality as morally superior who was not gay. I also think he is more interested in money from parishioners that teaching the word of God.
I know we should all pray for him, but I sense so much arrogance and false pride in him and his voice that I think he has placed himself beyond salvation. It would take a lot to humble him enough to admit and correct his false doctrine.
Agreed; was saying that very thing to my son as we were listening. Charles Stanley was a true preacher.
Yes, I’m glad there’s no sorrow in heaven, because his dad would surely be grieved.
& Charles had his own issues
@@karenlanglois4616I’ve been saying that Andy is closeted for a while now as well. 100% agree, wonder when he will publicly deconstruct and come out?
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@@calebhayes7691 Yup, started to download it just in case.
Truth, 😂
Thank God, me too!
Same!
😂😂
This made me genuinely sad. And then somewhat angry. Andy Stanley clearly suffered a crisis of faith at some point in his life that he hadn't fully recovered from at the time of this sermon.
He sounded like a man who managed to piece back a shattered faith, but his best attempt was to patch it back together with the pieces of understanding he was most comfortable with. While that's understandable as he worked through his recovery, he had no right to impose this new version of his faith on anyone else, much less a mass of people.
He also sounded intimidated by and oddly admiring of the intellectual atheists he kept referring to. They clearly impressed him more than they should have. What a pity he couldn't withstand the devil within them. He refers, so egregiously, to the Bible as cobbled together, when his faith is clearly what's cobbled together. I hope he receives the touch he so clearly needs from the Holy Spirit, and I pray that one day he'll mount the same pulpit to repudiate this heresy. 🙏🏽
Thank you for calling out false teachings. ❤
Every thing about this Andy guy reminds me of Pete Buttigieg. Bet im right
While listening to Andy Stanley, I was reminded of Luke ch. 16, the rich man and the beggar. The beggar died and went to Abraham's bosom, and the rich man died and went to Hades.
The rich man begged Abraham to let Lazarus warn his brothers about the torment of hell, so they could repent and be spared. Abraham refused, saying "If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead."
How fitting this quote is for this sermon! Andy Stanley argues that the resurrection should be the basis for faith, but this passage tells us that even resurrection from the dead cannot change the heart of one who is set against God.
Judges 11:26-40, Jephthah sacrifices his daughter in the wake of Abraham offering Isaac. Why is this important? Paul's celibacy doctrine in 1 Corinthians 7:33-34 and 1 Timothy 5:11. Is Christ for marriage, or for celibacy? Matthew 16:25 and Matthew 9:10 (Lord's Prayer) advocate submission, but submission to what? Jesus calls Peter "Satan" in Matthew 16:23-25 right after establishing that Peter is the church in Matthew 16:18. John 10:10 says that the thief comes to steal, but Revelation 16:15 and Thessalonians 5:2 say that Jesus will come as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:4 says that some are not in darkness, is that darkness forbidding of marriage, alcohol, and pork, as per 1 Timothy 4:3?
I ask you to consider the implication of 1 Timothy 4:3 in reference to Christianity as Mark 7:5-16 says of the Pharisees, that they follow the teachings of Men, and view John 10:10 in the light of a warning that Christianity, the Bible, is the thief that is coming to steal and destroy.
@sarahc1955 It IS a fitting teaching. Thank you, and God bless us all with His wisdom, love and peace... including Andy Stanley.
@@marvinmallette6795 Jephthah didn't sacrifice his daughter like an animal, he offered her to be in service of God instead of marrying her off to a man. Paul did not teach that people should be celibate, he was saying that being single allows for more focus on ministry and serving God; he also mentioned people who forbid marriage and called that a doctrine of demons. He said if you don't have the ability to stay single (focused on ministry) it's better to marry.
Jesus didn't say that Peter is the church, he said he would build his church on the foundation of the truth that "Jesus is the Christ," as Peter stated. Then later he called Peter "satan" because in that moment Peter was trying to work against the will of God for the Messiah. The term "satan" means "adversary." Jesus calls Satan "the thief" who steals, kills and destroys. He then contrasts that by saying that he (Jesus) comes that they might have Life, and have it more abundantly. He describes himself as being "like a thief" only in the context that when he returns it will be sudden and unexpected, like a thief breaking into a house; wicked people will be unprepared. It's a metaphor.
There are answers to your confusion and lack of study, but you can twist almost anything and take it out of context to say something it doesn't.
@@HarmonicWave I don't see where any of that changes what I said. You do not make your argument clear, or convincing.
Common teaching is that Judges 11:26-40 is descriptive, not prescriptive. That is, the chapter is not about what one should do, but merely what happened.
My argument is that Paul's teachings, presumably in light of Judges 11:26-40, and Genesis 38, etc., are transformative works which are prescriptive.
I also emphasis that it is not clear that Paul is "not" teaching celibacy, to the degree that it does, in fact, appear that Paul is in fact teaching celibacy, if you "chew your food", and allow the writing to properly digest.
Hebrews 12:1 purports a race that shall be run, a marathon of endurance. This challenges the reader to strive for perfection. But what does that perfection look like, when you are studying the Bible, and then when will you complete your studies?
Genesis 1:28 would seem another verse at odds, but the Dispensationalist who argues from a New Testament Only position might find that it is transformed into the great commission, Matthew 28:19. If you extract Hebrews 11:12, and apply that verse "out of context" to the Christ as an example of a reflection of Christ in scripture, you might get a clearer concept of how the puzzle is being assembled.
AMEN!!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh... I have followed Charles Stanley for such a long time.
I know that Charles Stanley has passed away (that knowledge still makes me tear up), but hearing a dialog between him and his son have a conversation about this would be incredible.....and possiblyheartbreaking!!!
The Bible is the word of God. If you disagree with God's word? Then you are wrong, because God's word is true.
You concluded the video with my story. This exact sermon was the beginning of the end for us at a NorthPoint affiliated church. The end was the announcement of the trans affirming conference. This drove me to a Grace Church where God is holy and His Word is held high and highly cherished. Praise the Lord!
Yes. I don’t go there but once I saw that conference was happening, I def got the sense the preaching was becoming no longer biblical.
As soon as you no longer uphold the Bible as truth - anything very obviously goes!
My last service there was 10/1/23. That was the nail in the coffin.
@ was that the LGBTQIAP conference?
Just want to clarify for you: The conference was NOT trans affirming. The conference was neutral -and its goal was to help CHRISTIAN parents who have an LGBTQ child and don't know where to turn or where to get resources. What a fantastic way to love our brothers and sisters in Christ who are Christian parents searching for how to move forward and how to treat their child. To that end, the organizers did invite some speakers who themselves are affirming and other speakers who themselves are non-affirming...but the conference itself was neutral. Some people can get mad that they allowed some affirming speakers to talk to these Christian parents, but what are we afraid of? Just because a speaker was affirming does that automatically mean these Christian parents will accept everything they say as gospel? Do these Christian parents not have the Holy Spirit to help them take what is helpful and leave the rest behind? To act like a Christian can NEVER learn anything from an affirming speaker is ridiculous.
After being saved for over 30 years, I have found from conversations that the great majority of people are more struggling with spiritual abuse they have experienced or they are battling why God allowed catastrophic trauma to happen in one’s life. Not once has someone told me the Bible is what kept them from the faith. Unfortunately, many churches don’t know how to respond to those with spiritual abuse or severe life trauma. Many times, their actions make things worse. Sometimes people just need to feel loved and safe before they can start talking about the basics of following Christ. I know that was life changing for me. Gave me a chance to find my feet so I could delve into truths I hadn’t not delved into before. Also, most churches don’t offer any form of discipleship. That is a huge thing for those of us who weren’t raised in a Christian family and don’t have anyone in our lives that we can talk to.
I wonder if Andy has dealt with his own childhood suffering. He might be jealous of the Bible or feel like his earthly father loved the Bible more than he loved Andy (for hypothetical example).
You've made good points. I agree. 👍🏽
My experience of walking away was because of both the spiritual abuse and the horrible things I read in the Bible but tbf people who are abusing people spiritually also DMF know how to explain those passages.
@@matthewmcguigan4293 Made some good points. No telling what he is battling from his childhood. We do need to pray for him to find his way back to the loving Father.
Indeed, a real healthy church is not that only gathers once a week to hear some songs and a speech. A real church is a community of believers who pursuit the Lord together. They live together and share their lives together. They worship together, study the Bible together and minister together. That’s how discipleship works, by living with the master.
Mike, I was actually there watching this sermon live that day. I do not remember a lot of church services, but I do remember this one. As a new Christian, I left the service feeling like something was off but at the same time, it sounded so compelling! I brushed it off at the time. When I saw your video up I thought ‘finally an answer to questions I had 9 years ago!’ Amazing how God works. Thank you so much for this.
9 mins in and it’s honestly baffling a pastor would say something so stupid about early Christianity
Sad!!
I think they do it because they know the majority of people who have no historical knowledge will just accept it and repeat it.
@@KiKi-tf8rv it’s just so obviously false, I image that “am I a joke to you” meme with the Greek Septuagint lol.
@@neodaltiair8624 🤣🤣
I appreciate how Mike’s videos calling out false teachers is done with a grieved heart. Mike doesn’t gleefully shoot down a preacher gone wrong the way so many of the discernment TH-camrs do. Also, Mike expresses compassion for the people who are hurt and deceived by false doctrine. Sadly, that kind of compassionate is rare ☹️
he also shows a lot of grace in trying to understand things in the best way possible (some would argue he goes too far with this at times) but his desire to speak the truth in love is always clear in his videos
Precisely! We should pray for Andy and especially the blind he is leading. Pray that their eyes are opened to the Real Truth of God!
My experience of people who undermine the Scriptures consider their own opinion more relevant and more valid. In so doing, such a person is elevating their own mind and thoughts as superior to the Scriptures, and ultimately, elevating their own opinion as superior to God's Word. It stems from pride of the heart and an unwillingness to submit to the authority of Scripture.
This message and others like it are exactly why my family stopped attending Stanley’s church. Definitely a good call.
I’ve been wondering if the people at Northpoint are supporting him, or if there are some who are in disagreement with his teachings.
@@pollywog92 Yeah. A lot of people at churches like that aren’t super strong in their faith, but many of us do care about sound teaching.
He definitely shouldn't be giving you and your family massages if you didn't ask for that.
@@zacdredge3859 Oof. That’s what I get for typing a comment on my phone lol.
I went to Andy’s churches for 25 years! Started attending only months after the original campus opened. My family left in October 2023 after his atrocious October 1st manifesto. Many of my friends have also left. The whole summer series from 2023 was horrific. It’s so sad to me. This church was a big part of my life for so long but Andy’s teaching is so bad I just cannot.
It's disturbing how many people are still there listening to Andy and not walking out !
mcarther-stanley father / son BOTH, Washer, Comfort, Sproul, Spurgeon, Tozzer, Peters, This guy, etc. witchcraft spells has poisoned the entire USA SUN day church realm. You're seeing WHY Christ said FEW will make it into his Kingdom
Greetings, Mike. Last night, I got a livestream that had your face on it, so I went to it because I think you are about the most thoughtful Christian teachers in the country today (praise God).
I was absolutely deceived once this started, for a youth pastor came on and attempted to refute your video on PSA.
He was snarky and arrogant, using philosophy without much Scripture to support his Catholic and Orthodox heresy.
His thinking was replete with what I call IOSTRs, which are when we can say or imply that after going to a prooftext, "It Only Stands To Reason," we have been subtly moved from the thoughts of God to the thoughts of men, which are vulnerable to deception.
This is philosophy, which creates contention but does not carry the authority and power of Scripture. But it really feels good, for it strokes our egos (I battle this daily).
I was soundly born again 46 years ago and grew up in a home where my mother was decipled by M.R. HeHanns' daughter for much of my youth. I have wonderful memories of John Wolvord and many other theologians discussing theology and eschatology at our dining room table.
I got soundly saved at 19 and had an appetite for studying and understanding the only book that calls (3800 times) "the Word of God".
This young man sowed the most confusion I have ever heard.
One thing I would encourage you to use that sound mind to study, for yourself the "Church Father" writings that we were deceived into quoting and are now studying.
With so many people around me going into Rome, I felt I needed to study these writings over the past six years.
The more I dig, the more I get angry at myself for quoting well-curated quotes from these spurious, unreliable writings.
When one investigates these writings, one finds some orthodox ideas, often with different definitions, along with a mountain of Rome's heresies embedded within (that we naive evangelicals just ignore).
When we selectively quote something to those we teach today, the next generation will remember their names and read and believe the things we ignored, and thus will be reasoned into Rome.
We need to first avoid this swamp, which brings confusion and inadvertently validates Rome.
Then, it would be wise to study the subject and warn the church of the many heretical things taught by these writings.
After you accumulate all the heresy they taught and warn us of, you will have to say, "If these people are occasionally quoting the Word of God but have so many errors, why don't I ignore them and return to Scripture, history books up to the end of the first century, and lexicons? The rest is just too murky and pseudodepigraphic.
I sincerely believe the Mormons have fewer problems than these writings, and we would wisely never quote their writings for we would say they validate Mormonism... The same should apply to spurios "church history.
Stay in the fight, little brother, and I praise God for your impact on the Bride.
@@craighelgerson2698 i agree. Quoting some dead guy or famous guy or some popular guy as if he (or she) is the authority is fraught with danger. The calvinists do it all the time.
My teen saved daughter recently brought up the account of Elisha cursing the children and I told her I had heard some teaching on it but would need to read / listen to it again before we have a discussion. Then I said to her, the Bible is God’s word so even when we read something we are unsure about, we trust that God allowed it to be included for a reason.
It’s a terrible thing when leaders deliberately twist the word to suit themselves and lead people astray.
That is such a good response!!
A part of that is what I would argue was a translation error. The Hebrew word can mean child as we use it, yes, but the word is much broader, closer to how something like “youth” might be used in English. From there, you might notice that the (as we later see rather large) group is not only mocking a prophet of God (not the smartest thing) but basically telling him to drop dead (“go on up” like Elijah did). It could be argued that that constitutes a threat. That there is even a group this large in the culture of the time suggests nothing good about their character since they’re clearly not where they’re supposed to be (they should have been helping their fathers with work or learning something useful, not hanging out outside the city. The concept of freetime for non-adults we have today is a very modern one). Then there’s the absurdity of the reported number of casualties. That it even got to the double digits suggests that the boys decided to not run for their lives back to the city but instead decided to pick a fight with them, which clearly didn’t go well. Most people focus on the boys being on the wrong end of a bear attack rather than ask the question of what they were doing there in the first place or why they thought insulting a prophet was a good idea.
Agreeing with the comment above, these were not children. There’s a video about it on the channel Disciple Dojo that goes into a lot of details to prove that from how the same word is used elsewhere. Also, this story happened in Bethel which was the hub of idolatry. Like the comment above was saying, they should have known better than to mock a prophet but were in open rebellion.
@@John-fk2ky thanks for the explanation. It does sound like some of what I remember hearing previously. This helps a lot. God bless you
@@brittybee6615 thanks much
I understand there was no type of published Bible in the early days like we have now, but if the point Andy is trying to make is true then why was the Apostle Paul commending the Bereans for searching the old testament scriptures to make sure his ( Paul's ) new testament teachings were true?
Amen! Every letter references the Tanakh. Jesus said in John 5:39,40 to the pharisees, You search the scripture and in them you think you have life but they are what speak of Me and yet you are unwilling to come to Me so you may have life.
The scriptures He was speaking of was the Tanakh, the Brit Hadishah had not been written yet.
Exactly what I was thinking!
@@timkretzer they had the old Testament, scriptures of noah, Abraham, possibly Enoch as well
In our small group we did a bible study from Andy and I must have a strong sense of discernment after listening to him for five minutes, I went out to read about him and watch videos and can say that Andy Stanley is another wolf in sheep's clothing. We need to pray for him to gain wisdom and the biggest victims, the church goers of those campuses.
Anyone who tells people that they don't need God's word isn't saved.
100% unsaved
@@LawlessNate If you are saved, you would certainly feel God telling you "STOP! What you're saying is wrong, don't speak!" The fact he did a full sermon, and who knows how many sermons like this...☠️
Specially when Jesus said He is the Word. 😊
What in your view do you need to believe to be saved?
@@jonathanw1106believe Jesus is our Lord and Savior. Then to know and follow Him. The only way to know this is to believe the Old and New Testaments
This is odd to say the least. Andy says we don't need to believe in Scripture but only the resurrection. Being someone who has never witnessed the resurrection I believe because of Scripture. None of what he said makes sense to me. Atheists have also attacked the apostles account of the resurrection... Where does Andy stand on that? He won't stand very long if pushed hard enough. Great video Mike, thanks for posting.
My thoughts exactly! 😢
I pray God opens his eyes and grant him repentance. If not, he will eventually deny the faith like Bart Ehrman.
This was my thought as well. He's not claiming that Peter's foundation is the resurrection necessarily, but rather that Peter's foundation is that he witnessed the resurrection. I can never say that I witnessed the resurrection, so Andy has effectively removed my only way of assurance by removing any reliance on Scripture. I actually can't even know what Peter would have said, because I have to dump my Bible in the trash, and Peter himself is long gone. What a hopeless foundation Andy has proposed.
Exactly.
Agree. His is an odd argument.
I am so thankful that we can now ignore people like him!
I'm just an average grandmother, but I know that the disciples had access to scripture, and Jesus and the New Testament writers quoted scripture all the time. It's like he is blaming scripture for people's doubts.
That's what frustrates me so much about what Andy is saying.
The NT doesn't make sense without the OT.
There's context laid out in the OT that revealed in the NT.
The OT is the result of the promise God made to Adam and Eve when he exiled them from the garden of Eden.
The NT is the fulfillment of that promise.
Andy either doesn't understand this or he does and is trying to undermine the NT by separating it from the OT.
Exactly! Instead of addressing the doubts. 👍🏽
Yeah, it's weird to "unhitch the faith from the old testament" by quoting it so much.
Yes, the complete Old Testament was available at the time of Christ and circulated within the Jewish community. So, what Andy is saying is not true. I believe that Andy, in his attempt to remove obstacles that make the church resistible to the world, actually views the Bible itself as one of those obstacles. I also believe an underlying reason Andy has this view is that he, personally, has issues with certain sections of scripture. I won’t say specifically what those sections are but he has in the past called sections of the Bible ‘clobber passages’ when it’s simply God’s truth.
At the time of Christ and His disciples the scriptures were in the synagogue and the temple where they were kept and read. They were quoting them from memory, not packing around their own Bibles. 1500 years before the printing press it wouldn't have made much of a difference since more than 90% of the people couldn't read or write and probably why Jesus said to listen to the pharisees just not do what they did.
You are so kind, addressing the error without attacking Andy as a person (who desperately needs truth, so scary as teachers have a stricter judgement). I came out of the Roman Catholic Church. Thankful someone took the time to show me scripture and lead me to the salvation, at 19, I so needed. I'm 56 now and the Word of God is Light, the Plumbline of my life. If someone tried to take that away, I'm ruined. The scripture and Christ's fulfillment of it has power, sustaining power. I have an unshakable Rock. But again, thank you, Mike, for being so Christlike in presenting the truth in love. God bless you and yours.
Praise the Lord for your salvation!
Yes, I would agree Mike is so restrained and kind.
What I have learned here: The fast way to defeat a false teacher is to measure him by his own yardstick. In this case, for someone who's trying to argue that the Bible isn't important, he sure quotes it a lot, and extensively.
Thank you for doing this response. This is serious and needs to be addressed.
I grew up listening to his dad. His Dads voice is so comforting to me. How sad that his son has fallen so far from the Truth.
@@brandyjanik66 I agree! His dad always had a Bible in his hand during the sermons. Well what I’ve seen on tv. But Andy idk what happened to him.
Dad did have a soothing voice, but sadly also strayed from the Bible.
No he did NOT.@Time_Chance
@@Time_ChanceHow so?
I love how Andy speaks so fast and moves on before you can even process what he said...
He has no clue what he's talking about. He needs jesus
What amazes me is how he flies at breakneck speed through scripture he reads like he’s thinking “yeah whatever”, but when he quotes atheists he quotes them emphatically and thoughtful at a slower pace.
Pray this video is protected from YT removal. 🙏
My phone was having trouble loading it... 2 minutes in... And I was thinking "uh oh, this one is gone."
I'm glad it's still here because I want this teaching.
haha we should download and keep it too :D wise as serpent
@@emmaaudu3461 amen! Great idea!
@emmaaudu3461 i was wondering. I'm watching on my phone through the app. If I click "download" (i never did it before), does that save it directly to my phone storage somewhere, or here in the app somewhere?
I came to the Lord 6 years ago at a very bad time in my life, I was 66 years old. I started with s couple of soft books, but decided I’ll start with the OT and finish with the New Testament. I called a long time Christian friend and told her how much I was struggling with the OT. She told me that she thought I should start with the gospels and she was 100% right. I couldn’t get enough of it for years and years. When I first started listening to Bible teaching it was Chuck Smith. I was able to go from Genesis through Revelation. Then I started watching Calvary Church Bible studies. .
Chuck Swindoll is a brilliant teacher
I had no idea who Andy was until three years ago when I started going to a discipleship group that wanted to go through one of his sermon series for the next study that we did. It was the most shallow study I think we ever went through. I much prefer studies where we go through scripture verse by verse. When I was new to the group I had little influence in our studies. As time has progressed, I started recommending studies/sermon series that went through books of the Bible. Now, we aren’t watching studies, we are using the scripture as our curriculum. We are working our way through Daniel. Everyday, we read the chapter we are on for that week, we all have different resources we like to use, commentaries, I like listening to Verse By Verse sermons, and then as we come together each week, we go through that chapter together and discuss what scripture is saying.
Something I’ve come to understand about the Bible is that “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Words are the physical manifestation of the intangible into the world (meaning your thoughts are not able to be know in the world until you give words to them and speak them into the world). Jesus is the physical manifestation of God in the world, he is the Word. All things were made through Him, and when you look at how God created the world, he spoke it all into being (God said let there be light and there was light). Today, we have The Word of God in the form of the Bible… words written by prophets and apostles. The Holy Spirit speaks fluent Scripture. When I’m in a situation and I’m about to pop off in my human nature and I find myself suddenly thinking of a scripture that makes me stop and reconsider my next words, that is the Holy Spirit. Also, there are times when I’m in a conversation with someone and out of nowhere I’m thinking about how a scripture applies to that situation. I might not be able to say what book and verse, and I might not even say “the Bible says”, but I’ll speak the Truth that came to mind and without fail God speaks to them through that every single time.
You can’t know someone unless you converse with them. You can sure know ABOUT them, but there is a difference in knowing about someone and knowing them personally. What Andy is teaching is knowing About Jesus, and I hate to break it to him but even the demons and Satan believe in the resurrection. We must know Him personally, and we know him through scripture because that is how he revealed himself to us.
Without the word of God, you have no anchor for the faith. Simple as.
What IS the word of God??
@@Tyler-Hoskins The Bible.
@@Legoluigi26 you realize the logical trap that you’ve just set for yourself, right? How can the Bible be the word of God? Who decided it to be so?
@@Tyler-Hoskins I recognized your comment was some kind of internet debate trap. It's just a very stupid one that'll collapse on itself even if I take the bait.
@@Tyler-Hoskins
Genesis 1
Andy Stanley is EMBARRASSED by the Bible. Period.
Agreed! p.s. Team not rigged 😂
@ 😂🤣 We meet in the wild! 👌🏼
Not sure, but I think he’s interpreting it improperly.
I'm sorry for so many comments, but I needed to swerve briefly into the slavery subject.
I am currently unable to work, so I spend my days on X witnessing to atheists.
Being saved for 46 years, I always ignored the slavery subject, though it didn't settle well.
After someone confronted me about this subject last year, I felt it was time to study it for myself.
It is a really heavy life because the system's guidelines are scattered throughout many places.
I found it to my delight, that it was antithetical to what you and I learned about our country's corrupt system.
As I got everything swept into one place, I found it profoundly brilliant and extremely benevolent (should we expect less from our Lord?).
I would also encourage you to study this subject so you don't have to deflect like I lazily did for 46 years.
I feel ashamed that I questioned His goodness and omniscience.
It was one of the most enjoyable and encouraging studies I ever done... go for it!
Why can't you work?
The Bible is actually the one thing that brought me closer to God!
When I started to read the Bible for myself and not just listen to others,that is when God & Jesus became even more crystal clear to me!
♥️♥️♥️
I can't understand how anyone can be born again and not love the Word of God.
Isaiah 40:8 "... The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever.”
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Exactly. Psalm 119 is all about His wonderful word.
We've been in a few churches where the Pastor or leadership came into a new revelation or understanding. This understanding morphed into something that looked less and less like Christianity by any standard. All of these ministries and ministers no longer exist. Andy believes he has a revelation of believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior by trusting what the Apostles say but not relying on the Bible. How do any of us find out what these Apostles had to say? ... By reading the Bible which we are not to rely on ?... 🙄 If previous track records that I've seen are any indicator... Andy Stanley's ministry and North Point Church will cease to exist in the not to distant future.
I attended Andy's church for 23 years, he slowly turned into this watered down, World following, woke apologist. He dropped creation in favor of the ever shrinking belief of Species evolution. It was sad to watch as he used to be a great pastor. Many of the congregation called this 15yrs ago, he absolutely became what he was warned of for starting to water down messages in hopes of making unbelievers the most important members of the church. He will preach a more traditional sermon once or twice a year when money is needed for certain projects. Pray for him.
Who was he hanging out with? Corrupting wrong friends and colleagues.
I used to be a fan/follower of Andy. But that was 20 years ago. What changed and when? This TH-cam video answers those questions. Two very notable diversions Andy took 1) Affirming LGBTQ (see sermon 'When Truthie meets Gracie') 2) Discarding the Old Testament (see sermon 'Unhitched'). It just gets worse and worse. Pray that Andy retires very soon or repents and turns back to God. Also, pray that people's eyes are opened to the reality that Andy has become an apostate and they need to RUN away from his church.
I see so many pastors in my area beginning this same descent. It’s devastating.💔
Am I missing something? I feel like the biggest concern with Andy’s argument is that I know about Jesus’ resurrection is through the BIBLE! He stresses that we should be a Christian by what we “saw” and “heard”, but I wasn’t a disciple of Jesus when he roamed the earth. At the end, he talks as if he was Peter and stresses that he believes in Jesus only because of his resurrection, but then asks how our children will defend their faith and how they should do it just like Peter would. We can’t Andy! We didn’t witness Jesus death and resurrection. We have God’s inspired word that details the story of Jesus throughout it and tells us of his miraculous death and resurrection because of his love!
Yep.
Agreed, I'd like to hear Andy try & explain how we would even know about Jesus' death, resurrection & our need to accept him as Lord & Saviour without the Bible!
@jamiespinks3657 he is confused, trying to bend enough to allow the LGBTQ+ to feel better. Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. Where does Andy think those came from and what they are? Is everyone supposed to FEEL it?
Good point
This was my thought as well. I was surprised that this wasn't one of the pushbacks in the video. For those of us who weren't there for the Resurrection, all we have is the Bible
Ph.D. student in NT, here. One thing that fascinates me about Andy is that he seems to think that he is casting off the shackles of simple-minded fundamentalism when, in reality, his teaching on scripture is intellectually vacuous and has no scholarly support. I know of no scholars-be they unbelievers, believers, conservatives, liberals, etc.-who wouldn't spit out their coffee at some of his wild, Marcionate claims.
Paul didn't "have a bible"? Paul quotes, alludes to, echoes, scripture at every other turn in his epistles. His thinking is saturated with the OT. Paul didn't really even leave Judaism but saw Christ as the climax and realization of Jewish hope and belief.
Well..... half the time I couldn't even process his words because I became uncomfortable....with his.....anger or frustration and it got progressively worse towards the end. To say that the Bible is cobbled together with a few manuscripts......I do deep dives into scripture and I can tell you 100% it's so beautiful and wonderfully written old and new testaments. Thank you for sharing these truths and helping us Christians grow deeper in our faith.
@@AKMArt-vj2vi psalm 119
I don't dismiss the Bible, but it IS cobbled together. The Genesis creation story is not one, but two stories cobbled together. In Genesis 1, plants and animals are created before humans, while in Genesis 2, Adam is created first, followed by Eve and then animals. The first story primarily uses the Hebrew name "Elohim" for God, while the second uses "Yahweh" (often translated as "Lord". These are important differences indicating different writers. It doesn't diminish the importance of Scripture, but it means we should understand it differently than conflated Sunday School teachings.
This is a perfect example of why having your Bible with you in church and reading along with the teaching is so important. Anyone in the congregation who did so would have noticed those skipped verses immediately. I hope someone in his immediate congregation calls him out on this.
He speaks with more reverence for the new atheists' writings than the entire Old Testament
Really great Mike how you broke it all down. When I was a new believer many years ago Andy was a Pastor I listened to regularly. In a Bible teaching church I started to know Andy was leading me incorrectly. Thank you to the Holy Spirit ! Guidance and conviction to question Andy’s teachings and walk away.
Just off the top of my head I can take issue with Andy from a few verses: “Sanctify them by the truth-your word is truth”, “All scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for teaching, reproof, for correction for training in righteousness”, “Faith comes by hearing and hearing from the Word of God.”
His father Charles would be heart broken to hear his son today
Faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God. Boom 💥
Double Boom!!
Triple boom!!! The Word does not return void!
Being a part of NP for over a decade, I'm so thankful my husband and I left when we got married. Andy gets people in and keeps them baby Christians, or like many friends of ours, they have completely deconstructed, and some are in the New age now or are extremely progressive Christians. It truly breaks my heart. Thank you, Mike, for addressing this.
We attended South Side campus. You are right! That’s the biggest reason why a lot of people leave. My family and friends spoke of it all the time. It was like being in Christian Kindergarten! :)
So sorry 😢 Too sad!
Like ur content. Very thoughtful. Quick question- do Stanly really talk that fast or have soed his voice up slightly for time purposes?
Thank you for making this Mike!!!
I love Charles Stanley’s sermons, and about 6 years ago I started watching Andy Stanley’s sermons. After a short time I started noticing that something about Andy Stanley’s sermons didn’t seem quite right, but I couldn’t put my finger on why at the time so I stopped watching him about 6 years ago. I appreciate you giving words and explanations for what I felt but couldn’t articulate. Thank you Mike!!!
Is it just me or does listening to Andy Stanley feel like glass breaking! He has such animosity towards the bible. His boldness is shocking.
Not just you. 😬
I couldn’t listen to him. His voice is nails on a chalk board. Top that with his blasphemy towards scripture
@bluestar8700 has the same effect on me. I cannot listen to him.
I go to Buckhead church, I’m very grateful for it, because I have been in a man’s group for over a decade and they become my brothers, and I love every single one of this man, in the same time my pastor is the sheep for Luke 15 and I pray for Jesus to find him because we feel he’s loose, and for this reason my brother over 10 members leave Buckhead church, I’m the only one still a member in buckhead church with gratitude 🙏 and compassion for Andy Stanley
Andy is an example of how a preacher can take a left turn, and members won't notice.
The lesson? Pay attention to every sermon, every presentation, every word, each and every time, by anyone we follow.
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Stanley’s selective use of scripture is a good demonstration of why we need expository verse-by-verse preaching. No skipping of verses.
I love Pastor Wingers heart. Such a genuine Godly man full of love and compassion for Gods people. But sometimes he’s too nice lol
Nice video Mike. You are kind, honest, and balanced. I've been preaching since 1976. He is one of the most gifted men I've ever heard. I live in Metro Atlanta and I fully know of his influence. He has slipped a long way. And as you point out he manipulates Scripture in a smooth powerful way that sounds great. When I was in Seminary, the last 2 years, I was a youth pastor about 50 miles from my school. His dad is one of the pastors o listened to in the car on the drive to and from classes. He was so...sound. And I was here in GA when he died. A major grief was felt. But Andy has slipped further and further from orthodoxy as his influence grows. Thanks for taking a stand in a Godly manner.
ONe of the most gifted by satan men?
Matthew 5:17-19
[17]"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
[18]For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
[19]Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Any questions? Andy?
@MikeWinger You're composure is commendable.
It brings to mind the saying, ‘how do you boil a frog? Slowly so they don’t notice the temperature change!’
Acts 17:2 ►
As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
I wish Andy Stanley was there to see the apostles reason FROM SCRIPTURE.
He would probably have rebuked Paul as being insensitive to the gnostics.
Yeah maybe Andy never saw it? No!! He knows it and totally disregards it! Evil!! Help him Lord!
@@jimmyjames7941 amen
His bible--which he wishes we would all put away--in his Bible, it doesn't say "from the scriptures." (It's a joke; he probably uses a new, perverted version.)
I left an Evangelical church (not Christ) because the senior pastor was casting doubt on the accuracy of the Bible. This brings back how disturbing it was to hear false ideas sandwiched between truths. Knowing the Bible helped me see through the flawed teaching.
Where'd you end up going? I'm currently attending an Evangelical church because it seemed the best in a bad bunch. And still SO WATERED DOWN. And seemingly political bending to every current narrative. Instead of simply teaching and talking about real issues.
@Jimbo_Conn I'm currently, for about 10 years now, attending a tiny Baptist church. They teach out of the KJV, which I grew up on & prefer. No fluff, just the meat of the word. We sing from old hymnals & support missionaries
Mike, you are a breath of fresh air in today's apostate churches.
I attended Athens Church, a North Point satellite. I very much feel Andy Stanley is a trickster. He is a motivational speaker and talks in circles. I see now why he seemed to talk in circles and dance around points of significance. I also see now why an ex girlfriend who was gay affirming introduced me to Athens Church. Pray for all still attending.
Mike, I enjoy your in-depth analysis. Can you post an outline (abstract version) of these longer videos to for audience to refer back to?
Learned something new about the “days shall be 120 years” passage today! Thanks, Pastor Mike 😁
Stanley has unhitched his teaching from the Truth
One thing many people don’t think to much about
Imagine a world without constant commercials, modern pop music, modern cinema, etc
The Israelites he is referring to went to Synagogue every Sabbath to at least show their faces. In the synagogue, scripture was read every single week from the scrolls. These people had a large portion of Bible memorized even the lower classes
There is a north point church in my little town. When I was struggling with a new pastor in my church I decided to go and check out this church. First I walk in a new person never been there, I was greeted by no one. There is a coffee shop in the building. In my mind that is strike one. Strike 2 was during the sermon. He never even cracked open the Bible. Strike 3 was when he preached tolerance. I believe we should be tolerant to a point but I also believe we should call out evil. This pastor was a go along to get along. My impression. Chain church. Nothing is wrong with a chain church, it's just not for me. Thank you and God bless.
Wondering why a coffee shop is a strike for you?
@@bernlitzner2739Probably referencing when Jesus said they turned His Fathers house into a den of robbers.
There is everything wrong with a chain church. Christianity makes us stand out and invites persecution which would not allow for it to become a franchise. Franchises are about making money like a business.
@@Kiki-fe2le I completely agree with you. It is sad because I feel like people are being tricked by these chain churches.
@@bernlitzner2739 you have to pay for the coffee.
Thank you for this, Mike! We are called to expose false teachers. We are called to judge those inside the church. God will judge those outside. What drives his false teaching? Money and power? It is sad.
Satan and man’s total depravity.
I believe he's fully moving towards "side B" theology as a way of pleasing and accepting the LBGT+ people into his church. In order to do that, you have to ignore huge sections of the OT and also deny the inerrancy of Scripture.
@@cwengl I would agree. I am going to look into some of Andy's recent offerings and see how things are going for him. He must have broke his father's heart, Charles, before he died in 2023.
His daddy did not teach such things and it's so sad to see the ministry turn to this. He needs prayer to get back on the road that his daddy walked and taught. Charles Stanley was a good teacher and I don't know where his son went wrong 😢. I didn't watch all of Charles' sermons though, so maybe Andy learned this from him and I just missed it?
I followed Andy Stanley for a long time. As a business man and an Elder at my church, a lot of what he said really resonated with me. This is about when he lost me and then the more recent comments on the alphabet stuff. You have to understand the OT in order to understand why these men reacted the way they did to a risen Christ. It wasn't just what they had seen but that what they had seen confirmed what they had known from the Hebrew scriptures. Genesis is my favorite book in the Bible. To understand so much of Christ's ministry, you need to understand the prologue. It is so disappointing to hear Christian leaders try to stand over the fault line (thank you Voddie Bauchem) and be loved by the world while being a Christian influencer at the same time. Thank you for the encouragement to stand firm on the Word of God. God Bless...Andy
This comment right here! Without the OT Jesus resurrection is just a weird thing that happened. Lazarus was raised from the dead. No one said these kind of things about him.
I feel sad for the people who continually attend his services consistently..
There's a lot of Scriptures that are offensive to the world, but we don't get rid of them. If someone abandons the faith because of those Scriptures, then they were probably not truly in the faith to begin with. Jesus is a rock of offense to those who are of the world. The Church must stand firm and not water down the Word of Life, more so now than ever as the end draws closer! The world needs more of the Word, not less!
Inagine knowing the Bible so poorly that you think the Apostles "left the OT behind" let alone believe that the Bible isn't Truth.
I'm not sure he knows it poorly but just doesn't care!
First of all, the didn’t believe the Bible was anything because the Bible didn’t exist.
Secondly, many early Christian practices directly contradicted or conflicted with the ancient laws and practices in the Old Testament.
So yeah, while they definitely didn’t leave the whole thing behind, they definitely left a big part of its teachings and principles behind.
@@Tyler-Hoskinsdo you understand that the apostles were first hand witnesses? And the New Testament are the words and letters and understanding of those people.
We do not have first hand account of the gospel of Christ, so the Bible (the written word and testimony) is the next best thing we have.
The old and new testament’s are not different they are the same. The new is the old fulfilled. Do you remember Jesus’ two greatest commandments? They are WORD for WORD but concise summarizations of Deuteronomy 6 and Leviticus 19.
@@meganclay5090 I don’t see how that has anything to do with what I said.
@@Tyler-Hoskinswhen you say “the Bible didn’t exist” in contrast to those of us who say the Bible did (in part) exist in that time, what do you think we are claiming? Of course the New Testament wasn’t present. No one is claiming that. But we are claiming that the passages of Scripture that we now call the Old Testament were present and well quoted within the New Testament.
If you have reasoning as to why this is incorrect, I’ll gladly hear you out.
The most heart, breaking hard about Andy Stanley, to be a famous and successful pastor is when you realize it is God’s punishment on us. Because we have raised up for ourselves teachers to tell us what we want to hear, gods curses upon us, for he has given us what we have asked for.
I wonder if Andy would take the stance that if we can find one thing wrong with what he preaches that he should be not used at all as a preacher and his teachings be shown to have no value?
Go Mike!!! I’m so tired of these wicked people leading their congregations astray!!!
Sorry, new Christian here, I don't know this guy, but he seems like he is intentionally leading people away from God. The only reason he seems to want people to stay is so he can have influence over them... but who knows?
That's the kind of discernment any Christian should have, but unfortunately Christians have been lulled to sleep by being shamed against using common sense.
you nailed it
Bingo.
God bless your discernment!!
So Andy Stanley is the son of the late renown preacher Charles Stanley (I grew up listening to him) . Anyways he’s got some huge shoes to fill, but this is going a weird wrong direction. If his Dad could hear Andy Stanley now😳
What you mentioned in Minute 38 was my understanding of Andy Stanley's message. If I struggle with the creations story, or the way the men, women and children were obliterated in the OT (I don't struggle with these...just an example) then I can point to Jesus and say, "you're right...that's difficult...but Jesus believed it and I believe in Him and His resurrection, etc. so if He believed it, so do I..." My understanding is that the resurrection is what affirms everything in scripture...without the resurrection, we don't have anything...so, the resurrection is what we primarily ask a potential or new believer to focus on...and then as they mature in their faith, they come to better understand or accept (to they extent we can ever understand) everything else.
He is so confident in his false explanations.
Do we have to quickly download it so it's not struck down like that Joel Osteen debacle??
Asking for many friends.
Sad but true. It's exactly what I'm doing.
Downloading now.
Already have, let a screen capture run while the video plays. Don't use the websites that will turn it into a download for you, both the paid and free embed backdoor in the file.
@@theodorepollock1273 jDownloader can also download for free and its supported on Linux/Mac/Windows.
@@theodorepollock1273 what's the backdoor for? To hack my system?
Love the mic u use. Does wonders for your voice!
What the heck happened to Andy? Nothing like his father. He went off the rails a long time ago and I quit listening to him when the teachings got weird. Not sure why people are sitting there listening to deception. What a shame!
he went to Dallas Seminary 😂
I guess some people don't know their Bible. Some like what he says. Some think he must have good thoughts because of his father. There are multiple reasons and it's sad. 😢