There are so many different ways to get strong and improve body composition. The starting strength program is great, and so is great, but I think the problem is Ripppetoe’s attitude. “My program is the best and everything else is a complete waste of time” is just wrong and off putting.
I like this channel and think Grant is awesome. It’s really just Ripppetoe’s attitude that turns me off from all of it. I’ve talked to so many hundreds of guys at meets these days who squat over 500. Very few started with Rip’s program, almost all do exercises thst rip would call a complete waste of time.
I considered trying Starting Strength after becoming aware that they opened one up fairly close to me. I decided against it when I learned it costs well over $300 monthly. I'd rather use TH-cam and Planet Fitness and spend the rest on many good meals in restaurants.
Being at a SS/Strength Co. gym is not required to run SS. At the minimum, Its a one time 10-30 dollar purchase. Everything you need to know is in the blue book (ebook, paper, hardback take your pick). Easily accessible on amazon.
I got all three SS books from the library. Some had to be inter-library loaned. The Barbell Perscription is the most useful and practical imo, even if it was written for seniors. The author, Jonathon Sullivan, is an MD who runs his own SS franchise. The programs are very clearly listed in that book. This will be anathema to SS fanbois, but you could adapt these programs to the Smith machines at PF. This would not apply to the overhead press, for which you would have to use dumbbells. I never got past the second novice workout template, working out at home. Make it work for you, your budget and other circumstances.
@@legitboss100 yes, because of all three it is the best written and easiest to use. Sullivan is the kind of writer who could be overly technical if he wanted (he is an ER MD with published medical research), but makes his material very accessible and clear. The workouts by level are very clearly given in easily legible boxes. (He writes them out as "prescriptions," which fits his analogy to lifting as "medicine." I mostly ignored that.) If you have a public library, try getting all three books to check them out (have them purchase them or use inter-library loan system if available) Starting Strength Practical Programing for Strength Training The Barbell Prescription
Can you elaborate? I stuck to the novice LP and hit some difficulties fairly early on, at really low weights for my body weight and size. I really focused on following the program closely, even gaining weight from eating. I am older and never lifted heavy, but I was really grinding to keep adding weight. I even got micro loading plates, but still plateaued. I basically quit for summer to focus on swimming and outdoor bodyweight workouts, planning to restart an NLP in the fall that I will hopefully follow till spring of next year.
@@Frennemydistinction This happened to me. I am in my 40s and hadn't lifted since my 20s. After the first two months of SS I started getting tendonitis in my wrist and knees. Turns out muscles get stronger a lot faster than tendons, especially as we get older. I used Barbell Medicine coaching with modifications like 2-count pauses on the main lifts to keep the weight down and then went through an RPE-based program and gradually increased weight every 1-2 weeks. Now I'm planning on following 531, which is periodized. Gains will be slower but hopefully my tendons will stay caught up.
@@ieschwochyup. This is a bit of a side issue, but body weight training/ calisthenics/gymnastics inspired warm ups, mobility routines (yes, MOBILITY [cue in the derision from SS cultists, lol]), and isometrics with bands might help with tendon issues. All in good measure ofc. It helps me. With age that is a huge concern.
I’ve been lifting for 12 or so years and always made my own programs. I think it really slowed me down early on- I made a lot of mistakes. But I loved it, and after 3 or 4 years it all really came together
Starting Strength then transition to 5-3-1 the perfect transition !!
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There are so many different ways to get strong and improve body composition. The starting strength program is great, and so is great, but I think the problem is Ripppetoe’s attitude. “My program is the best and everything else is a complete waste of time” is just wrong and off putting.
I like this channel and think Grant is awesome. It’s really just Ripppetoe’s attitude that turns me off from all of it. I’ve talked to so many hundreds of guys at meets these days who squat over 500. Very few started with Rip’s program, almost all do exercises thst rip would call a complete waste of time.
Yes, this, and also Rip’s answer to everyone who hits a wall being, “Stop being a pussy”
No, I’m sorry, the hard part is not showing up, the hard part is lifting a heavy ass weight for a 4th or 5th rep when you feel weak as hell 😂
I considered trying Starting Strength after becoming aware that they opened one up fairly close to me. I decided against it when I learned it costs well over $300 monthly. I'd rather use TH-cam and Planet Fitness and spend the rest on many good meals in restaurants.
Being at a SS/Strength Co. gym is not required to run SS. At the minimum, Its a one time 10-30 dollar purchase. Everything you need to know is in the blue book (ebook, paper, hardback take your pick). Easily accessible on amazon.
I got all three SS books from the library. Some had to be inter-library loaned. The Barbell Perscription is the most useful and practical imo, even if it was written for seniors. The author, Jonathon Sullivan, is an MD who runs his own SS franchise. The programs are very clearly listed in that book.
This will be anathema to SS fanbois, but you could adapt these programs to the Smith machines at PF. This would not apply to the overhead press, for which you would have to use dumbbells. I never got past the second novice workout template, working out at home.
Make it work for you, your budget and other circumstances.
$300 a month for just a membership? No coaching?
@@Frennemydistinctionso you recommend someone in their late 20s read and follow principles outlined in barbell prescription?
@@legitboss100 yes, because of all three it is the best written and easiest to use. Sullivan is the kind of writer who could be overly technical if he wanted (he is an ER MD with published medical research), but makes his material very accessible and clear. The workouts by level are very clearly given in easily legible boxes. (He writes them out as "prescriptions," which fits his analogy to lifting as "medicine." I mostly ignored that.)
If you have a public library, try getting all three books to check them out (have them purchase them or use inter-library loan system if available)
Starting Strength
Practical Programing for Strength Training
The Barbell Prescription
I love how starting strength refers to 405 5x5. Kind of strong.
Starting strength will lead to overtraining in the majority of the population.
Can you elaborate? I stuck to the novice LP and hit some difficulties fairly early on, at really low weights for my body weight and size. I really focused on following the program closely, even gaining weight from eating. I am older and never lifted heavy, but I was really grinding to keep adding weight. I even got micro loading plates, but still plateaued.
I basically quit for summer to focus on swimming and outdoor bodyweight workouts, planning to restart an NLP in the fall that I will hopefully follow till spring of next year.
@@Frennemydistinction This happened to me. I am in my 40s and hadn't lifted since my 20s. After the first two months of SS I started getting tendonitis in my wrist and knees. Turns out muscles get stronger a lot faster than tendons, especially as we get older. I used Barbell Medicine coaching with modifications like 2-count pauses on the main lifts to keep the weight down and then went through an RPE-based program and gradually increased weight every 1-2 weeks. Now I'm planning on following 531, which is periodized. Gains will be slower but hopefully my tendons will stay caught up.
@@ieschwochyup. This is a bit of a side issue, but body weight training/ calisthenics/gymnastics inspired warm ups, mobility routines (yes, MOBILITY [cue in the derision from SS cultists, lol]), and isometrics with bands might help with tendon issues. All in good measure ofc. It helps me. With age that is a huge concern.
SS is just a beginner program plenty programs with better results than SS
I’ve been lifting for 12 or so years and always made my own programs. I think it really slowed me down early on- I made a lot of mistakes. But I loved it, and after 3 or 4 years it all really came together