Strength Standards: What is Considered Strong? Comparing Novice, Competitive and World Class Lifts
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Standards are important for giving athletes objective goals to aim for along with establishing a hierarchy of mastery and expertise. This is a rough outline of how an average male will progress through different stages of size and strength development, beginning with novice metrics for 'strong' and continuing through amateur and world level competitions.
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I came here to disappoint myself
Yes, I got a ”Big man” bench! Can I get a certificate so I can show my wife I’m not just wasting my time at the gym?
I got a MW Am squat but a trained bench someone fix me
i know right? getting "big man" has made me appreciate myself a little more even though it took me 2 1/2 years of bodybuilding then almost 2 years of power-lifting to get here. fuck it being "big man" makes it all worth it
@@jasonhuang1940 you have 500+ squat & 225 bench?
@BARBAR BINKLE 🤣🤣 probably accurae
@@The11thDimension91 Doesn't even sound that unlikely. I can basically DL double my benchpress. Despite benching twice a week, and deadlifting only once. Deadlift is also my most skipped excercise, sometimes because it was friday, and i wasnt fully motivated yet, more often because i had injuries that prevent DL but nothing else.
I'm going to put Big Man on my resume now
Same!
I wish...got a 500 lb squat and a 475 deadlift...but just managed to hit 300 on the bench...So my bench (and to a lessor degree my deadlift stink lol)
@@12Beastn assuming you're in the hobbyist category those are pretty damn good numbers and in the Bromley "big man" rank. I've always been amazed by people with higher squats than deadlift
@@thir7fhfnds303 same with the larger squat than deadlift. I blame my t-rex physique that makes deadlift so much harder. People tend to gravitate to the lifts they like more too and it happens when naturally more adept at squats.
@Mark Heraclitus good luck! Also a lot of respect to SWAT
Just a quick comment to say thanks for doing the kg conversions right there on your board. I'm from the UK, and I'm fairly sure most of the world uses kg but since most TH-cam strength content is from the U.S. I've gotten used to doing really rough lb conversions in my head. But you've been considerate about an international audience, so thanks
I'm from the US and have gotten pretty used to kg since I watch a lot of Olympic Weightlifting lol
I’m new to this all I know is it’s something like 2.2 lbs per kg so instead of 45s it’s 44s or something like that
I can deal with kg but not the wierd measurements that Britain uses like stones
@@mpforeverunlimited"an asteroid the size of 7.6 washing machines"
You're from the UK, where you use pounds, ounces, and stones. Why are you converting, exactly? Learn your own damn native measurements!
Holy shit, those are the most realistic strength standards I've seen in this place. Mad props bro for not peddling some BS numbers just to impress the newbies like the other channels do
It's one of the most cringe worthy things to ever exist anytime u hear someone or u see someone or some show or movie, talking unrealistic numbers, saying shit like benching 400 lbs or whatever. My max is 435 at 181 lbs, and I've worked my ass off for where I am, and in also not ignorant my old man lifted his whole life so the weights ain't nothing new to me I know most ppl truly never lift 315 on the bench even the big guys who look like they could do 500,most honestly never hot that 315,/and 315 is a strong very nice be ch to have no matter the size but when you really lift in real life and u hear guys throwing around numbers that are completely unrealistic and usually u can tell they actually believe the shit their saying. Prolly the thing that single handily immediately makes my blood boil
@@jamesmounts4379 yeah like in pain and gain. Mark wahlbergs character says he can bench 400lbs.
Bs at that bench
@@jamesmounts4379only 5% of people who go to the gym can lift 315, let alone the general population.
@@DayZeroGaming lol its wayyyy less than 5%. probably closer to 0.005%
I don’t train in a powerlifting gym or anything, it’s just your standard £20.00 a month 24 hour job. You’d be surprised how many regular gym goers (who are in great shape and look as if they know what they’re doing) can’t squat 100kg.
If you have great genetics and take steroids you will look stronger than you actually are
who cares? I got to a 400lb squat at 170lbs and that shits fukin useless. I'm never squatting again because I don't see value in it nor do I enjoy it. I didn't even have good looking quads.
@@devonreynolds6425 of course you have
@@him050 If you think a 400lb squat is unbelievable or something to brag about you're extremely weak. It takes consistent effort but unless you have a disease you should be able to accomplish that number in 2-3 years of natural lifting, unless you're a child. Any grown man should be able to do this.
Most people weigh more than me, so it should be even easier since they allow themselves to be fat.
@@devonreynolds6425 Some people's standards are just too low lmao
I have a big man squat novice bench and trained deadlift, I’m as messed up as they come
Nah, got you way beat. At my best I had a MW AM Squat, a Big Man Deadlift...... and between a Novice and Trained Bench. No matter how I attacked training my arms and shoulders, couldn't gain much. Oh well, I'll settle for what I had long ago.
@@BIGJATPSU Same man, although i am far weaker than that. Literally double bench on DL. Adding weight to squat every 2 weeks approx, every week to DL, and my bench just didnt move in 1,5 month, despite doing it twice a week, and only squatting and deadlifting once.
@@BIGJATPSU I can't do less bench, i'm on nsuns 4 day programme. Results were spectacular, in all but bench honestly. It also does C.G. bench, which helps with the weakest part of my benchpress. It's just that max load goes very sluggish.
I can totally relate, I've got a novice squat and deadlift, while my bench falls between trained and big man.
@@cookiemazino3731 mw am squat and deadlift but a novice bench and trained OHP. Idk lol legs and back strong as hell, everything else is 👎🏻
As part of the 5%, it would be great if you did a video on strength standards for women too!
Ask a woman to do that lol
@@kuraido6370 Nope
@@qr8292 why
@@shafaatoo9328 because the original comment asked this guy to do it not a woman or a different man
I wonder why people don't watch women doing strength sports as much.
Thanks for making a real video on this. I think having solid objective goals to strive for has a lot a value. I’ve seen so many TH-cam videos that click bait titles about strength standards only to say “it doesn’t matter and just concentrate on being the best version of yourself.” While focusing on being the best you can be obviously has value, like you mentioned, a lot of people just use their own personal qualifiers as a cop out.
Man seeing this really motivated me. I am currently at above trained squat, about right on with trained deadlift, but still in between novice and trained bench. Rip, chest and shoulders have honestly always been a weak spot for me, but I will be at trained bench soon. Really been working on bench, chest, and shoulder variations when I noticed this some months ago. Lets get it peeps! Good luck on your progress everyone.
Best strength channel on the Tube right now.
Certainly providing uniquely informative content.
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My deadlift is at big man, squat at trained and bench press at novice, great
I will say, as a person who is decently strong, you do feel a certain way and you carry yourself a bit differently, especially if you're confident in your training and in your progression
I mean kinda I think what tempers this is whether or not any pro's train at your gym as well. By pros I mean powerlifters and body builders, seeing people do working sets at your one rep max is always very humbling
@@jorgenoname6062 It is humbling but it’s more motivating then humbling, it shows you can achieve more and not be satisfied with your current level. But in my experience the strongest guys are usually the most humble
@@maticsimonic9673I watched a dude bench my deadlift last week 😂 thought I was fairly hot shit up until then
@@maticsimonic9673 Some guys at my gym, the earth shakes as they walk. That big. Maybe 350 lbs body wt. Then they slam out 315 lb bench. So what. I have no intention of ever getting that big just to lift more. However, at 260 lb body wt, I can get to 225 bench, which is fine for me.
A really interesting sequel to this video would be a discussion on the time trajectory for reaching these levels. It would probably have to be a summary of different anecdotal experiences, but still... I want to know not just how my 405 squat stacks up to other trained individuals, but also what taking a year of serious training to achieve that 405 squat might say about my propensity for further progress. I’m actually just as interested in how people get to their current strength levels as I am in their numbers. Resources, Bromley?
Also, great content, man. Thanks!
Isaac Cotherman Strongly depends on your height/weight in my less-than-professional opinion. If you're a 6'6" 350 pound guy, your genetics are probably behind the curve, or your training/recovery/etc. has been subpar, but this isn't necessarily indicative of your upper ceiling. If you're 5'8" and 150, your genetics are fantastic for being able to reach that number in only a year and most likely have been following a great training regime, but you might have a very low ceiling for strength, at least at only 150 pounds. To be truly sure of your upper ceiling there is only one way to find out: be the best you can be. Try different weight classes, see where your natural limit of lean muscle mass places you. Once you're very close to being there in five or so years, either focus continually on becoming the strongest you can possibly be at that weight, or lean very slowly into trying HRT if you deem that decision appropriate for you and yours, and reach the top of what you can do with that intelligently and safely. Assuming you're on the younger side of things, you have plenty of time to experiment and see where you can land in whatever strength goals you intend to chase, just don't rush things and focus on finding your ceiling(s). After five years of structured training and dieting, you'll have a pretty clear idea of where you're sitting and can plan for what you want to do/are capable of in your more advanced stages.
Going from 405 to 500 didn’t take me very long. Probably 6 months to a year. Then 520 came in a couple months. Then it was a crawl to 545 and I had to eat everything to get there. So at six feet with a good frame I’d say a year to hit 5, but with a very smooth physique
@@jacob74947 I'm 30yo, 5'8", 196lbs and sitting about 15% body fat after 16 months of training (started out at about 170 in Dec. 2018). I hit 405 last November, but caught a stomach illness in December and lost about 10 lbs. Haven't worked back to it since, but I could probably hit it again if I peaked for 3-4 weeks.
I'm not necessarily interested in my upper ceiling so much as I am interested in gauging the effectiveness of my programming as I go and hearing what has worked well for other people (which I know doesn't guarantee it will work well for me).
I'd like to see a channel like Bromley's, Thrall's, or Omar's do a series interviewing different people (competitors and also just recreational trainees) about their lifting journeys, especially how long it took them to hit certain milestones that they were really proud of and what the process was like to get them there.
Anyway, thanks for the input!
You guys all have some insane times lol. Been lifting for a while and still not close to that.
Isaac Cotherman So from what I'm seeing, you hit a little over a 2x bodyweight squat in about 11 months from when you started formal training. I would say you're strongly holding your place in the pack in terms of advancement up to November. To give you a very small, but vaguely similar comparison of myself to you (I would have certainly fell into the "recreational trainee" category at this point), I squatted 315 back when I was 17 after a little over a year of formal training. I was about 150lbs. at the time, 20% body fat, and I am also 5'8". But I would agree with you in that I would also like to hear about the timelines of professional athletes to benchmark my own progress upon.
I would say whatever template you followed up to November worked well for you, and you progressed about as quickly as you can for the average person in their first year (assuming your squat started significantly lower than 405). However, if you haven't seen much progress in the 5-6 months since then, I would take a second look at what you're doing and consider a change in programming. If I may ask, what did you follow in the initial times? Are you still following it now? I'll throw in my two cents and just say that the Juggernaut Method worked very well for my intermediate struggle. My squat very strongly responded to the large increase in volume and it exploded after just one cycle of the template. You also seem very much like a squat specialist, so I'd consider running a 20 rep squat template for a few weeks between large training blocks to really get some fresh stimulus after handling low volume, high intensity work for weeks at the end of blocks. But, again, this is only what worked for me, only you can find out what works with you too.
Great video man, love the way you layed the strength standards out and was all well explained. Ill be tuning in for future uploads 👍.
Your advice on not moving the goal posts made a tremendous impact on my training. Thank you good sir!
thanks for this vid. was first i was able to see something set up and explained like this to help set goals
Your “big man” numbers are exactly what I can move around. And your advice means I’ve got to find another standard to keep me honest and progressing. Good
I don't think so man, maybe try moving body weight/fat around but trying to keep these standards. That's my plan at least.
Well looks like I'm trained at the big three. Actually helps me visualize where I stand, now I can set some realistic goals moving forward.
Still haven't watched but came here to be called weak
Lluc Aristondo Alzina Just means you got to keep training! Keep at it man! Also....you’re weak
Bet you're stronger than you were last year.
@@sheadoherty7434 yeah jajqjqj thats true
@@BrettLong 😆😆😆😆😆
That was great man, thanks! I agree with you on squats, everyone asks how I got a good yoke walk, and I totally attribute it 100% to heavy back squats. But, I'm built for squats and love them. I guess once you start competing your goal posts really change in what you consider novice/intermediate/advanced. That totally made sense to break it up into the average gym goer and the competitor.
I’ve been going to the gym for about 3 months and all my lifts are just a little under the “Trained” standards. I was pretty big into the gym in high school and worked out a lot in the army but got lazy when I got out in 2018. Very happy to be getting back into it
You’re a brave man, I’m shocked you aren’t being bombarded with comments about Thor vs Eddie and the 501kg. But honestly this is a great video. I’m approaching those MW amateur numbers... as a HW. Motivation to keep getting stronger and hopefully less fat. I know it’s a much more complicated video but any insight on event strength standards for some common things like yoke, farmers, stones?
I actually have some of those typed up, but that would make a long video and most viewers arent strongman hopefuls. Go to the forum, theres a sticky called Strength Standards, they are posted there
I’m 18y/o, 5ft7, 65kg
Squat 13x100kg
Bench 6x60kg
Deadlift 12x100kg / 4x120kg
I have only been lifting more seriously for a year but I have trained for about 5years now with low weight before this period. Personally I have never seen the point to approach 1 rep max lifts as I think the risk out weighs the reward, but I am still driven to increase my strength. For me building a stronger bench press has been quite difficult as my upper body has just always been weaker for some reason. About 4 moths ago I have also gone through a shoulder injury which has only set me back even more, effecting my stability and travelling down to my elbow where I also get pains when exercising. I have however visited a chiropractor and have been doing rehab ever since for my shoulders and elbows throughout continuous stretches and corrective mobility movements. This whole pandemic thing has then forced me to return to my beggings of home workouts and body weight exercises which I found really humbling and appreciative of what I had before all this. Now I’m able to go through different motions and train in a refreshing manner which has helped to ignite my desire once again to better myself in the gym after the injury. This whole quarantine thing will truly show the people that are mentally tough and don’t just give up due to this inconvenience but rather work around it like one would do with an injury or mobility problem. At the end of the day we’re all here to improve on our today selves so I hope all of you continue training harder then last time !
I've been lifting for a while, I can say body weight does influence strength quite a bit
a person could weigh more and not have as much muscle on the body parts used in lifting like the chest and tris used for bench. than a person who weighs less
@@tunnelvision7906 yes but by nature, a person who weighs more with similar composition will have more muscle mass. Also even if you're fatter your muscles have to work harder to just move you around
P4p is important the only people who don't recognize efficiencie is none efficient people. Omg a 350 pound man can bench 415 omg lol not really impressive plus sloppy joe will be to slow to ever use the power if things got real.
@@loveoverhate7503 I love the 260lb guys that think they're hot shit cause they can outlift a 150lb man
Yeah man i average between 145 to 170 pounds but back when i was bodybuilding and probably 170 to 185 i could lift a ton more weight like my bench press was 80kg on incline bench a few months in now its probably 25kg maybe 40kg all cuz of an injury and my much lower body weight right now.
"I think Eddies record is gunu stand for a long time" x"D
Mufin Makes Music that statement aged poorly
@@thorek55 I mean it he holds the deadlift record
@@jimmyneutron8052 no thor broke it
@@jimmyneutron8052 He's the record holder in BOOK Lifting😂. The deadlift king is Halfthor Björnsson.
It held up for 4 years and only one person has even been within 30kg
Your content is valuable man. Really appreciate your channel 🙏
This is helpful, thanks. Similar to my dream of 2 plate press, 3 plate bench, 4 plate squat, and 5 plate dead lift by the time I'm 60.
You won't be doing 5 plates at 60. The main problem is spinal disk compression with age, so don't do it. 3 plates max.
Never come across this channel before, guy has a lot of knowledge and just seems like a cool bloke, liked and subscribed
I'm 38 years old, 5ft10", 225lbs, 2.5 months into strength training for the first time and on the cusp of the "trained" category in that I could hit those numbers this week if I were to test my 1rm. I'm really happy with the progress I'm making and it is motivating to see such strength standards and where my current performance fits in along with what I have to do to continue progressing. Thanks for the informative video!
The detail of your tattoo is insane 👌. And thank you for the info 🤘
Great video. Thanks for posting.
After 2 years of training (including 7 months of my gym closed because of covid) I am exactly at the end of novice, maybe slightly more for squat. And I don’t see many people in my gym able to do more, the strongest are at trained level, so that’s really much more difficult than presented here. I am 48.
That was exactly what I saw in my gym. Strongest guys were in the trained category at best. Then I moved gyms and there are now a few guys in the "big guy" category. And well they actually do look pretty big, compared to regular people. Also, at 48 years of age the "novice" is probably the same as a 20 year old in "trained" just because young people will naturally progress way faster at strenght sports.
you probably go to a commercial gym. Not in any way the same as a power-lifting, or weightlifting gym
@@sw-gz9ps What does the gym change anything ? This is a university gym, it has all the equipment necessary and I see people training every day. There are more now that are on an advanced level that I thought but still a small minority.
@@TheBenjil just go to a power-lifting gym and you'll see a room full of people hitting these numbers. Commercial gyms are full of people who do not take their training seriously, dont have enough time to dedicate to training (other priorities), people that constantly take time off, and don't understand strength training programming
@@sw-gz9psthese are standards, it shouldn't matter what gym you're in
i literally felt like a superhuman deadlifting 120x5..and my squat is like 95kg for 5 and my friends call me strong i feel like a todler now i love the iron game and ill continue progressing thank you for checking my ego and as always keep up the good work :D (im 18 85 kg weak af )
You’re stronger than 90% of the world population so take pride in it and don’t demean yourself. Keep training and make that 90% of the world population to 90% of trained individuals
@@Jmack7861 DAMNNN THAT IS MOTIVATING thank you whoever you are im wishing u the best in lifting and life :D
@Cult of DECC i dont have competition or anything like that to measure myself with when i was boxing i had a friend and we sparred a lot butt since i left boxing and started strength training in my basment its just me myself and i XD thank you aswell and im wishing u the best
How long have you been training for?
you squat way more than me but i can do 20 reps with 120kg on deadlift, we all suck somewhere, 85kg 24 years old, started training at 22 tho
Love your vidoes man! Real strait shooter no bs thanks for the info
Great detailed video brother.
It would be great to see you do this same type of video for female standards!
These are 1 rep Max’s or workout weight and thanks for the educational video definitely subbing
dam I really enjoyed that video! u wish it was longer than lol! got me motivated to be stronger!
I'm currently a novice, il update this post when I get to the big man level. (in around 10 years)
You at the trained level yet, bro?
Keep yourself honest, because everybody's watching would be a good catchphrase lol. Great video
Wow! It's been about two years since I saw this the first time and I almost have all the "Big Man" marks. I think that's a great reason for these "standards" to exist. A reasonable goal.
This is great, thanks for sharing.
It's cool how you broke it down. I can see that transition in the competition range is similar to just powerlifting in numbers.
Most straightforward video I've seen on this subject that doesn't try to wade into the mess that is determining what is strong for a lift when considering bodyweight. Definitely agree with the trained/big man categories. Regardless how much you weigh, those numbers are milestones. I do think Thor is taking that record though ;)
I think body weight should be included. If you're 150, that 315 is going to be damn near impossible. Hell 225 is pretty good for most men that weigh 200. I think the standard should be considered doing multiple sets with your body weight. Look at Thor - 440lbs and benches 550. I wonder if he does multiple sets of 440? So why wouldn't you consider a 180 guy who puts up 225 for reps super strong?
@@jamie49868 exactly dude plus the fact that all these big numbers of the strength athletes are peds enchanced based not purely naturally achievable
@@shoaibhaq8680 You are right. I don't care what anybody says, if your sole pursuit is to get big and push up big number, the juice will flow. Everybody plateaus if you lift long enough, and most of the "strong men" start juicing way before they plateau just to keep up. For the rest of us that just want to be a little stronger, look a little better, don't want or can't afford to get injured lifting, and our lives prevent us from living in a gym, body weight reps is pretty damn strong. Peace Brother.
@@jamie49868 yep true.. Peace out
I got a home gym in my garage . My roommate starting lifting about 3 months ago . He just hit a 405 squat and weighs about 200. I told him it takes most guys years to hit that number . He was pretty surprised to hear that . Lol meanwhile I’m struggling to rep 245 . And I’m a bit heavier .
I"m 6'0", 180 lbs, 38 years old with < 2 years of lifting experience. I'm right around the Trained category - 325 squat, 215 bench and 405 deadlift. So slightly above the lower body thresholds, slightly under upper body. I've started to become convinced that I need to bulk up to 200 lbs since I feel I'm spinning my wheels at my current weight. The road from Trained to "Big Man" seems like it will take quite a while, at least for Bench and OHP for me.
That is what big men are: tall and heavy. If you bulk up you can become bigger on one of the two dimensions.
thanks for the kg conversion, also this man called me weak in 20 different ways. I got the 100 kgs bench the 140 kgs deadlift and 140 kgs squat, bad news is that I never managed to train consistently for more than 4 months in my life, so it's like the graphic for the sinus function, up and down, what stayed the same and even grew were the weighted dips and pullups I'm 80 kgs with a 60 kgs weight dip and a 45 kgs weight pull up. But on the conventionals I'm in dead water
Really would love to see a video for women. Love your content!
Added to Playlist; "Strongman, Sports Science, & Bro Science"
I am almost EXACTLY at Trained tier rn, with my squat being about 30-50 pounds more. Wierdly accurate. Love the content, super different but informative stuff as always!
Wow the weight class thing is a great take. I never thought of it. I'm a huge frame guy, 6'4 tall 2.5' wide shoulders, 2' wide hips etc weighing 400lbs I'm a big guy but it's always been hard saying to myself "well I don't deadlift 450kg like the strongman that weigh the same" I might weigh the same but I'm not trained at all in it. Also am abit overweight.
Where are the westside boys in the comments triggered that Dave Hoff’s “squat” wasn’t recognized? Lol
I'm 5'3" tall. Around 20% body fat. I currently weigh about 145 lbs. I have about 7 years unguided experience. My main interest is strength and power. What would be some good goals for bodyweight and lifts for me? I'm 65 years old. My best squat so far is about 270. Best deadlift is 315. Best bench is 225. All of these on rare "good days".
i have no idea, but that's actually cool
At 65 and over, realistic goals are probably about 65-70% of the numbers in the video. If you had been a competitive powerlifter in the past, that wouldn't apply (assuming no major injuries) but someone who just lifts to be and stay strong would be happy with your numbers at your bodyweight. Over double bodyweight deadlift is pretty decent. Remember that as you get older extra bodyweight (even if it is muscle) puts extra load on your heart.
Awesome video,thank you
Keeping it real, great intro mate
I always thought bw snatch 1.25 bw clean and overhead 1.5 bw bench 2x bw squat 2.5 bw deadlift was a good measure, managed it in my early 30’s and trying again now in my mid 40’s.
That seems more realistic for me. A natural lifter who stands a staggering 5’4” 145lbs (fairly lean) and 315 lbs and shit for genetics.
“Idk if Thor will at this point” heheheehh
Wow my squat and deadlift are exactly at “trained” level, and I’ve been training for about a year with vacations. This seems to be the most realistic benchmark I’ve seen and it makes my work seem reasonable and on track.
I am a 30lb squat, and 20lb DL PR from obtaining my “big man” lifts, hopefully before I turn 20 lol. I recently bought deadlift straps, and knee sleeves, both of which I haven’t used before, so very excited to see how close I get in the next month or two
Not to nitpick, but only Zyundras Savickas ever overhead-pressed 500, and no one has pressed 600 pounds in a Strongman competition on the barbell, axle, or log press.
I explained in another post here; that number is for world class OHP ability in general (namely barbell out of a rack), not specific to Strongman implements or even an event with a clean. While Z was one of the best pressers in the sport of strongman, there are plenty of Oly lifters who are capable of outperforming him. There isn't a premium in strongman on overhead ability (it's one event and it doesn't carry over to any other event) so I have an assumption that those numbers are artificially low.
There have been several Olympic lifters from the 60's and 70's who pressed 500
@@AlexanderBromley I can't for the life of me find a single overhead press online that even comes lose to 600lbs... The closest I've seen was a couple push presses around the 530lb mark, but those were far from strict. Big Z basically Strict Pressed a log that was a bit over 500lb, so I'd argue he was the best overhead presser of all time in his prime
@@AlexanderBromley Zydrunas also claims a 570 standing overhead press.
@@simondean5227 I think he is counting the jerk also as OHP. These are the two heaviest jerks in internet: 270 kg/ 600 lbs
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I think enhanced vs natural is also a massive factor, as the enhanced average is so much higher.
About 10%
Only at the same bodyweight.@@zmb5501
I love this stuff. I was a big man in my 20s, now a novice in my 50s.
I am 35 and in the "trained" categories. I gotta keep it up.
The first time I watched this video a year ago I was a novice! Glad to see now Im very close to ‘Big man’ numbers 😊
It could be mentioned when talking about some of those records, they were not done under testing for PEDs.
No one cares bro
No one cares about PEDs. I'm not winning any points for being average but natty.
Shea Doherty Sure do your thing. Just saying when covering strength standards from recreational lifters to career lifters there are tested / non-tested records among the latter. There is a point in differentiating between the two. Otherwise especially recreational lifters get a distorted view.
Kendall thompson Try and google the IPF.
@@nineorders6626 in my best form(crossfit competitior, not gym powerlifting) i did all big man lifts, literally every single number was my max. No PEDs mate just few years of training. But I was never able to go over that numbers even when I swap to more bodybuilding workouts. Right now I cant do any of that numbers but I had a year of relaksing🤣
My goals to get to "big man" at 170 lbs or under. That make me happy tbh.
Current 160 lbs with 165 ohp, 230 bp, 355 squat, 405 dead
Finally started feeling like I'm getting strong
Damn dude you got my exact numbers other than your ohp and squat beating me by 20 and 10 lbs. Also 160
What is your height if you don't mind my asking. Your numbers are excellent.
@@RamblinMoonchild I'm 5'5"
@@mrdune5479 good work. Great numbers keep it up.
@@RamblinMoonchild thanks king
Man. Really puts my “strength” in perspective.
I would love to see this kind of analysis for older competitors. As a 70 year old, I'm a big man in two categories but I'm not competitive against the same size 28 year old who 8svan ex college football line man.
Could you do a female strength standards video please?
Big man deadlift has to be minimum 220 kg (5 plates).
On the road to Big Man in my current covid mesocycle. Today is week 4 of 12, currently at 160kg 5x5 DL, 112.5kg 5x5 B, 160kg 5x5 Sq, 62.5kg 5x5 OHP. Main goal is a 200kg DL, don't care after that which will bring me to a 2x+ body weight performance for a 1RM
I love this! Thx!
Before this I wanted to be a strongman, I think I'll keep my 5 4 self in powerlifting...
I’m 5’6” and just had an absolute blast in my first strongman competition 👍 don’t let height hold you back
I'm a big man on deadlift but a novice on bench should I get a sling shot placed under my skin?
Lol, that's my prob. Bench, deadlift yeah, bring it on. Squat, sorry mom?!
some of these hit you hard in the ego. I'm a big man at squats but only trained at bench and deads. Oooff
scott gilmour I was like that a few years ago and that ended bad. I eventually hurt myself, from what I guess was muscle imbalances.
TheLouisianan out of curiosity how long did it take you for u to become big man at squats?
@@binyamgebreselassie5807 not too long. It's arguably my best lift, but it just takes time. Personally i used to do spartan races until I hated it and decided to get stronger. Started at about a 225 squat back in July last year. Did starting strength until about December (with a month long layoff due to moving). Ran out that system and started the Texas Method at 365x5 on intensity day at the start of February and today I just did 405 for 5 singles across. 405 was a myth to me when I started my LP.
Hell i'm somewhere between novice and trained, i've hit the squat level, but my bench and deadlifts are lacking still, but i got fucking attention the day i started squating over 220 for 6 reps at my commercial gym.
I really started to notice since i got back into the gym "for real" and actually started to push myself with the lifts i do each workout that most people don't actually TRAIN at the gym, they just excersice. They come in and hit the same 3 sets of 8-10s with the same weight every week. And i used to be that guy aswell back in the day (i did my first 16 week workout plan for real when i was like 18 and then i mostly did maintenance on and of again at the gym the past 10 years), but now i really feel that i've gotten into the game again for real. My goal is just to be stronger, hopefully i can reach "Big Man" in the next couple of years.
Uppdate, i am offically in the "trained" category now on deadlifts, bench and squat :D
I'm at 370 on deadlift and a 335 squat and my bench is at 265 now.
I reached the big man standard about 6 months ago and ive noticed people at my university ask me for spots way more and it has made it easier to make gym friends since i usually dont talk to people at the gym unless they approach me which people do to ask.
now i feel like a big man :D exept squat is 20 kg lower and dead is 20 kg higher lol
Can I ask for a link to the 600lb overhead? I can't imagine that being anything other than a very leg driven lift. Big Z is the only person I know who Strict Pressed 500 but I've never seen anyone do 600, Strict or otherwise
270kg/600 lbs
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Hall did 216kg on axle and he was all shoulders even tho he didn't need to be.
@@andrewbrower9661 Hall got so thick at his peak that he couldn't coordinate his leg drive with his OH press movement. I saw a video of him "push pressing" (can't find it now) and it looked bad.
So, the fact that he did the axle press strict wasn't a show of strength, it was the only way he could do it.
It was jerk done by a pro weightlifter. He should have done log instead of a jerk record since no strongman competition is gonna see how much you can lift on a barbell out of a rack
@@JoseFernandez-ii5jx thanks never seen this before. Crazy.
now that i know where i stand, could you do a video on what you feel are the best programs for achieving each level
When I started in my early 20's my first BP was 80kg (without bar so around 85kg). I was new and had no idea how much i can do. I'm 5'10 and broader than most men. Especially my height. Then those 80kgs where something I did to warm up. My highest bp (1!!! time. Not several reps) was 180kg with age 25. Hurt my hand that year and had to pause. never touched a weight since then. Will become 35 in 2 weeks :X
And I want to start again :D
Been training hard (and smart~ish) for 2 years and i'm pretty much around those novice numbers, minus 10kg on the bench :(
when i started i was half those numbers
If you’re not a professional athlete these numbers don’t mean anything, a good physique and healthy body is much more worthwhile
Might want to try varying how many times you train the same body part. In my 20's I was stuck at 6 reps at 80kg for a few years, I did what the magazines said and only trained a body part twice a week, so did bench press every 4 days. I needed a change, so did bench 3-4 days straight and in a month was doing better than 90kg at 8 reps, it was the boost I needed and got to 100kg soon after. Just be careful not to over train, but I was under training and getting no where.
As much as I love the information, I'm also scared how weak I am even I trained for a year soon two. Im so far away from novice. I'm good at running far but not strength and power 😔
If you want to increase those numbers I'd quit running really far. All running isn't bad but long distance running and heavy weight lifting just don't mix well.
don't worry man you are not alone lol
Do pull ups,push ups and dips,a lot...and then slowly start bench pressing,dead and squat
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Your "Big Man" description is 100% accurate.
21 year old functional fitness guy here, used to do football and track (1 year d1 level for throwing). Great video, my bench is trained, Deadlift I got 470 and think I had some juice, but squat 285 maybe 300 on a fresh day. Senior year of high school I did 500 but after I stopped sports I went from 260 to 300 , out of shape, got back in shape w a boot camp but tore my acl :( got light tenditis in my other knee so squat really has its bad days know because the tendon is really loaded. Used to love squat and not like deadlift in highschool now it’s the reverse. Loved the video tho, I do more cross training now but I like to know where I stand sometimes in the strength area to stay humble while I shed down to 205. At 228 rn
Also I’m looking into buying that shirt rn haha
Body weight is definitely important factor that he brushed off. Me personally at 5'5 150 it's unrealistic for me to go for a 705 squat vs someone like him who is over 230 lbs by my estimation
I have the same height and weight and its taken my nearly 2 years to get just past novice. Sure I can gain weight like any other guy but im already like 20%+ body fat and have to cut soon so I dont start looking obese. I cant just bulk up to 180 like a normal person and expect to look fine. Maybe in another year or so ill hit trained at a body weight of like 160. Meanwhile I have to share the same standards as 6 ft+ 200 lbs naturally big frame guys
This was important to hear. "Oh, if I had trained properly in high school I would totally be squatting four hundred." Stupid excuses.
I like that these standards before the competitive are attainable natty numbers. I'm happy sitting at "big man" for a relatively light person at low BF
Great idea for a video
Do the Women's video too bro. I'm curious, and you can't discriminate when it comes to knowledge!
Women's standards would look like moving squat and deadlift down a level and bench press down two levels.
Is this one rep maxes? So if someone can do 10x 225lbs / 100kg bench would they be in big man?
Yes. All competition records / scores are one rep max.
@Austin would that persons one rep max not be 140kg?
When I was competing I was right around MW pro and was actually training with the intention of getting my pro card before a car accident screwed all that up. It’s validating to know I was in that range even 6 years before this video popped up.
Great ink work on your left outer arm, edit also thanks for the video
I’m 23 5’7 and weigh 135 pounds my novice numbers are way below your numbers 😩
That’s because your weight is very low. Bulk up to 170-180 and you will easily surpass novice numbers in around 6 months given a proper program and good nutrition is in place
Rijul Ranjan my numbers are finally at novice numbers but I still weigh the same
betoq_z28 oh ok that’s great! I mean in case you do want to increase your weight, just eat more and you can prob focus on hypertrophy stuff if your interested in that because your baseline strength will now allow you to go heavy with accessories
Mine too ... But u gotta start somewhere and work upto these numbers
Your body weight matters as well. Someone who is 160 can’t physically handle the same weight as a 220 pounder. There are weight classes in body building for a reason.
Go look up the Chinese weightlifting team, lu xiaojun and then get back to me
@@lexlavi He’s also literally in a weight division. That’s why he competed in the 77kg division. By default, heavier people are capable of putting more mass. It’s basic science. The taller you are, the more muscle your bones, and ligaments are able to hold. There are weight divisions in (natural) body building for a reason.
Quick correction: the highest deadlift in the world is 501 kg by Hafthor.
thanks over 60 just retired my wheelchair end of march , training for novice strongman.....its a bucket list thing lol ,now i got better idea where i need get too
Making in the big man class after 10 years of lifting 😂
same 😭 so much dicking around before these last 3-4 years
looking *T H I C C C* Alex
love this video. please get a high quality mic though!