The Mauser 71 and the 71/84 are perhaps two of the most underrated guns from their era. It amazes me to see the cost of a Sharps rifle, or even a really nice Trapdoor, and then to see how cheap a 1871 or a 71/84 is compared to them given the fact that the Mauser is so much better of a design and is in the same ball park as the .45-70. You would think, given how popular some era Mauer rifles are, that these would be sought after a bit more. I just found a Mauser 1871 and have it on order now, they seem to be very affordable even now. I wanted a gun to shoot blackpowder cartridge with, and after passing up a really nice Trapdoor .50-70 that was well out of my price range, I got the 1871 for a third of the cost. Since these matches will only be out to say 200 yards, the 1871 will be perfect for it, and since I love to do it just for the fun of it, I might even hunt whitetail with it just to say I did as long as the loads work out.
I hope it works out for you! Yeah, I do think the 71/84 was one of the first bolt action black powder rifles that had a tubular magazine in it. Brass is rather expensive for these pieces, however. Then there are die sets and bullet molds. It's all worth it if you like it.
My older brother has had one of these 11 mm since I was ten years old. I remember them shooting end on RR ties and the ties exploding at 1/4 mile away. I think his flip up sights got to 1660 Meters
I have to check mine for the maximum yardage, but that sounds about right. A fun piece it is. I hope your brother still enjoys it. The farthest I've shot this piece at is 500 yards, which is the longest distance at our black powder range.
You are correct, the sights on the 71/84 are graduated up to 1600 meters. I have one that was manufactured in 1888, hell of a weapon. Shot my first deer with it. Unfortunately ammunition is hard to come by for the 71/84 in Canada these days. I use a 6.5 Swedish Mauser manufactured in 1908 by Carl Gustav Stads as my main deer rifle now. Another great weapon and good for targets up to 600 meters.
Thank you for sharing this video because History should never be erased (good or bad) remains to be thought. your outfit and the rifle are great example on how a nation survive by protecting and serving from Wild Wild West now United State of America.
Thank you very much. Initially I was concerned about wearing Wild West clothes with this gun since it is European and not American, but I decided to just go with it anyway.
D5quared91 Thanks! I had fun filming it. I really practiced hard off hand at 100 yards with it. Yeah, it really is a cool piece, a real black powder bolt rifle! It feels somewhat modern.
Great video! I just bought a mauser model 71 single shot. Doesn't say 71/84 just 71. From what I have read and from pictures I have found on line, I have a jägerbuchse variant. I haven't shot it yet as I'm not sure if it takes the same ammo as the 71/84, there is no markings at all on the gun as to what ammo it needs
I too have just a Mauser 71 (single shot). Check out that video on my channel. You can get stuff to load for yours if it shoots the 11.15x60mm rimmed cartridge at Midway. I don't know enough about European guns, but I think yours would also shoot that cartridge. Research it hard! my 71/84's chamber says 10,95 mm, but that is still the same cartridge as the 11.15x60mm. The Mauser 71 and the 71/84 shot the same cartridge except that the 71/84 should shoot a flat-nosed projectile since the cartridges are stacked point to point in a magazine tube. In my case, I have to resize the cartridges just a little tighter so that they fit in my 71/84 if I have shot them in my single shot 71, which has a slightly bigger chamber size of 11,1 mm. I also just shoot those same flat heads I cast in my single shot 71. Check out Midway, where I got my reloading stuff. It isn't cheap! Brass- www.midwayusa.com/product/554625/bertram-brass-box-of-20. From Midway, you can also order the reloading die set, shell holder, and bullet mold to cast your own, which I do. I hope you get your rifle singing again! Good luck!
@@littlehouseguy7782 thanks for the info, I will check out your other video. I'm slowly getting the equipment I need to get this old girl back in the choir.
These aren't converted 1871s, the 71/84 have different receivers, barrels, and sights. The only thing the two rifles have in common is the bolt body and the 11mm cartridge.
Thanks. I've edited the title and description of the video accordingly. Yeah, with the limited research I did, I only saw the name of the guy who had designed the tubular magazine of the 71/84 and saw no other references (names) to the other parts of the rifle having been redesigned. I guess I should have bought an original 1871 when it became available to me a month ago but decided not to thinking that I, in essence, already "had" one.
I ended up finding and buying an original Mauser 1871 at the Las Vegas antique arms show this last January! I hope to post a video with the piece this year. Stay tuned.
This is interesting to show a bolt action that came out before most of the lever action guns and yet it is a bolt action with a tube magazine, modern writers would have you think that the bolt action was a late invention and was superior to other guns because of its box magazine Front locking lugs and pointed bullets, it’s funny how history played out differently than popular believe. I Really liked the video, keep up the good work
So true! Also, I'm surprised I missed this post since it's been three months. Yeah, this black powder piece was certainly "ahead of its time." It seems really modern to me, yet it's an original black powder piece. Even though it shoots the same cartridge as the Mauser 71, in my case, I can't necessarily interchange cartridges in the sense that this has a very tight chamber (10.95 mm). I have to size these brass cases down to the max. If I shoot these cases in the Mauser 71, they bump up and won't fit again in this gun. Unfortunately, the cases are costly, $77 for 20 cases!
Well, my outfits are all a mixed assortment of pieces that I've gotten from a number of places. Also, I did have a costume designer hand make some of them. In this video, I got the boots and spurs in Tombstone, the pants were from another outfit my designer made, the bib shirt was from Gentlemen's Emporium, the hat is called a Gus hat from Amazon, and the bullet belt was a gift from a senior member of my group. However, if I had to pick one site and only one site, I think it would be this: www.historicalemporium.com/store/outfits.php?&category=Mens%20Outfits&theme=Old%20West Good luck!
My rate of fire is so low that I couldn't tell you. I normally just continue to reload one cartridge case throughout the day's practice. Also, I normally blow tube between shots. Anyway, doing what I do, I have not noticed the shots becoming more and more inaccurate. If that happens, my understanding is that it is usually more due to a fouling issue than a heat one. On the other hand, I have heard that black powder guns do shoot differently once the barrel has heated up. I will ask our group president about it more this Sunday.
Is this on Full30? I couldn't find these videos there. Hope this channel gets large enough to afford a mic boom or any setup that can capture the amazing sound of some of these classics. I can see this being the next big gun channel.
Wow! Thanks! These aren't on Full30. These were all just taken by my friend on his iPhone. I hadn't really thought about expanding the channel much. Hmmm. I will be attempting to film another video with a "new" piece next week, so stay tuned.
No, no, I do not mean this message, my brother. I wanted to send it to someone else and I sent it to you. I am sorry, but I want to ask you: Is this rifle high accuracy? Is the range high and accurate?
I don't know your definition of "high accuracy" exactly. It is accurate enough for me to be very dangerous with it. I have been working with it at 200 years and can get most shots in a 12-inch diameter circle using only iron sights, no scopes.
Thank you! Here's a link to the mold that I bought: www.midwayusa.com/product/695503/rcbs-1-cavity-bullet-mold-44-370-fn-11mm-44-caliber-446-diameter-370-grain-flat-nose I cast them with 20 parts lead and one part tin. I use this bullet in three different European rifles that I have. I also shoot this bullet in my Mauser 1871 and Werndl 1867/77.
The original load for this cartridge was 75 grains; however, I had to reduce that load to 60 grains in order to be effective with the rifle at these distances, which tended to be between 70 and 100 yards. Original loads had the rifle shooting too high and to one side. If I had to focus on 200 yards or more, I would most likely bump the powder load back up to 75 grains off FF Goex.
It looks like I missed your initial question. So sorry. The load I used in the video was 60 grains of FF Goex. I under charged those cases intentionally to get better performance at 100 yards. The service load was 75 grains, which I enjoy for shots past 200 yards.
@@wilmamcdermott3065 To my knowledge, 75 grains was the original load; however, I felt compelled to reduce it to 60 in this case so that I could be more effective at these shorter distances. With 60 grains at 100 yards, the shots still hit about seven to eight inches above point of aim. I just couldn't do as well with the rifle at these shorter distances with a full charge. This could primarily be the case because of the shallowness of the rear sight. Other rifles I have that tend to shoot high at 100 yards have deeper rear sights, which allow me to lower the front sight below flush with the rear, allowing me to shoot reasonably effectively at shorter distances. Lastly, if this were a match at 200 yards minimum, I most likely would go back to a full charge of 75 grains.
@@wilmamcdermott3065 I personally have not been to the point of trying to do it. However, I have enjoyed watching matches. When it comes to my own shooting, I am quite into accuracy and long distance shots. Interestingly, I have been practicing with cap and ball revolvers almost every week and can say that in regard to accuracy, I am starting to become good enough to be dangerous.
I accidentally deleted this video thinking I was removing it from a playlist and OOPS! I had to create it again, so here it is.
The Mauser 71 and the 71/84 are perhaps two of the most underrated guns from their era. It amazes me to see the cost of a Sharps rifle, or even a really nice Trapdoor, and then to see how cheap a 1871 or a 71/84 is compared to them given the fact that the Mauser is so much better of a design and is in the same ball park as the .45-70. You would think, given how popular some era Mauer rifles are, that these would be sought after a bit more. I just found a Mauser 1871 and have it on order now, they seem to be very affordable even now. I wanted a gun to shoot blackpowder cartridge with, and after passing up a really nice Trapdoor .50-70 that was well out of my price range, I got the 1871 for a third of the cost. Since these matches will only be out to say 200 yards, the 1871 will be perfect for it, and since I love to do it just for the fun of it, I might even hunt whitetail with it just to say I did as long as the loads work out.
I hope it works out for you! Yeah, I do think the 71/84 was one of the first bolt action black powder rifles that had a tubular magazine in it. Brass is rather expensive for these pieces, however. Then there are die sets and bullet molds. It's all worth it if you like it.
Excellent. Excellent off-hand shooting.
Mark Dodds Thanks! I consider off hand the ultimate skill. I try to get an off-hand practice session in each week.
Beautiful Mauser rifle! That is the nicest I have ever seen.
It feels good too!
Nice old Mauser and good shooting.
Thanks! It is one of three black powder bolt actions I have got.
My older brother has had one of these 11 mm since I was ten years old. I remember them shooting end on RR ties and the ties exploding at 1/4 mile away. I think his flip up sights got to 1660 Meters
I have to check mine for the maximum yardage, but that sounds about right. A fun piece it is. I hope your brother still enjoys it. The farthest I've shot this piece at is 500 yards, which is the longest distance at our black powder range.
You are correct, the sights on the 71/84 are graduated up to 1600 meters. I have one that was manufactured in 1888, hell of a weapon. Shot my first deer with it. Unfortunately ammunition is hard to come by for the 71/84 in Canada these days. I use a 6.5 Swedish Mauser manufactured in 1908 by Carl Gustav Stads as my main deer rifle now. Another great weapon and good for targets up to 600 meters.
2:42 that's a hell of a round !!!!
It is a rather stout cartridge, isn't it?
@@littlehouseguy7782 sorry but can you explain for me , what is a stout cartridge 🤔🤔🤔
Thank you for sharing this video because History should never be erased (good or bad) remains to be thought. your outfit and the rifle are great example on how a nation survive by protecting and serving from Wild Wild West now United State of America.
Thank you very much. Initially I was concerned about wearing Wild West clothes with this gun since it is European and not American, but I decided to just go with it anyway.
I have to get a pair of those musical shoes for myself.
Extremely cool!
D5quared91 Thanks! I had fun filming it. I really practiced hard off hand at 100 yards with it. Yeah, it really is a cool piece, a real black powder bolt rifle! It feels somewhat modern.
Great video! I just bought a mauser model 71 single shot. Doesn't say 71/84 just 71. From what I have read and from pictures I have found on line, I have a jägerbuchse variant. I haven't shot it yet as I'm not sure if it takes the same ammo as the 71/84, there is no markings at all on the gun as to what ammo it needs
I too have just a Mauser 71 (single shot). Check out that video on my channel. You can get stuff to load for yours if it shoots the 11.15x60mm rimmed cartridge at Midway. I don't know enough about European guns, but I think yours would also shoot that cartridge. Research it hard! my 71/84's chamber says 10,95 mm, but that is still the same cartridge as the 11.15x60mm. The Mauser 71 and the 71/84 shot the same cartridge except that the 71/84 should shoot a flat-nosed projectile since the cartridges are stacked point to point in a magazine tube. In my case, I have to resize the cartridges just a little tighter so that they fit in my 71/84 if I have shot them in my single shot 71, which has a slightly bigger chamber size of 11,1 mm. I also just shoot those same flat heads I cast in my single shot 71. Check out Midway, where I got my reloading stuff. It isn't cheap! Brass- www.midwayusa.com/product/554625/bertram-brass-box-of-20. From Midway, you can also order the reloading die set, shell holder, and bullet mold to cast your own, which I do. I hope you get your rifle singing again! Good luck!
@@littlehouseguy7782 thanks for the info, I will check out your other video. I'm slowly getting the equipment I need to get this old girl back in the choir.
Sell me some ammo for my model 71, its from 1874
good shooting!
Thanks. I did have to reduce the load in those cartridges for those targets at that distance.
These aren't converted 1871s, the 71/84 have different receivers, barrels, and sights. The only thing the two rifles have in common is the bolt body and the 11mm cartridge.
Thanks. I've edited the title and description of the video accordingly. Yeah, with the limited research I did, I only saw the name of the guy who had designed the tubular magazine of the 71/84 and saw no other references (names) to the other parts of the rifle having been redesigned. I guess I should have bought an original 1871 when it became available to me a month ago but decided not to thinking that I, in essence, already "had" one.
No worries, they are similar so its easy to mix them up. Its easier to see the difference when the two rifles are together
I ended up finding and buying an original Mauser 1871 at the Las Vegas antique arms show this last January! I hope to post a video with the piece this year. Stay tuned.
little house guy rare to find a working 1871, Id trade my 71/84 for a 71 anyday
This is interesting to show a bolt action that came out before most of the lever action guns and yet it is a bolt action with a tube magazine, modern writers would have you think that the bolt action was a late invention and was superior to other guns because of its box magazine Front locking lugs and pointed bullets, it’s funny how history played out differently than popular believe. I Really liked the video, keep up the good work
So true! Also, I'm surprised I missed this post since it's been three months. Yeah, this black powder piece was certainly "ahead of its time." It seems really modern to me, yet it's an original black powder piece. Even though it shoots the same cartridge as the Mauser 71, in my case, I can't necessarily interchange cartridges in the sense that this has a very tight chamber (10.95 mm). I have to size these brass cases down to the max. If I shoot these cases in the Mauser 71, they bump up and won't fit again in this gun. Unfortunately, the cases are costly, $77 for 20 cases!
@@littlehouseguy7782 and thats no primer/bullet or powder...och!
@@allenschmitz9644 I consider this a comfortable piece to shoot even with a full charge of 75 grains of FF Goex.
Sweet
Yeah, this rifle was certainly ahead of its time being a bolt rifle with a magazine!
Where do you get all your outfits? I can't find Western clothes where I live to save my life.
Well, my outfits are all a mixed assortment of pieces that I've gotten from a number of places. Also, I did have a costume designer hand make some of them. In this video, I got the boots and spurs in Tombstone, the pants were from another outfit my designer made, the bib shirt was from Gentlemen's Emporium, the hat is called a Gus hat from Amazon, and the bullet belt was a gift from a senior member of my group. However, if I had to pick one site and only one site, I think it would be this: www.historicalemporium.com/store/outfits.php?&category=Mens%20Outfits&theme=Old%20West
Good luck!
Do you find the rifle becomes excessively inaccurate as it jeats up due to that barrel band issue I've been reading about?
My rate of fire is so low that I couldn't tell you. I normally just continue to reload one cartridge case throughout the day's practice. Also, I normally blow tube between shots. Anyway, doing what I do, I have not noticed the shots becoming more and more inaccurate. If that happens, my understanding is that it is usually more due to a fouling issue than a heat one. On the other hand, I have heard that black powder guns do shoot differently once the barrel has heated up. I will ask our group president about it more this Sunday.
@@littlehouseguy7782 appreciate the response!
Is this on Full30? I couldn't find these videos there. Hope this channel gets large enough to afford a mic boom or any setup that can capture the amazing sound of some of these classics. I can see this being the next big gun channel.
Wow! Thanks! These aren't on Full30. These were all just taken by my friend on his iPhone. I hadn't really thought about expanding the channel much. Hmmm. I will be attempting to film another video with a "new" piece next week, so stay tuned.
No, no, I do not mean this message, my brother. I wanted to send it to someone else and I sent it to you. I am sorry, but I want to ask you: Is this rifle high accuracy? Is the range high and accurate?
I don't know your definition of "high accuracy" exactly. It is accurate enough for me to be very dangerous with it. I have been working with it at 200 years and can get most shots in a 12-inch diameter circle using only iron sights, no scopes.
Good hits on target. Which bullet/mold are you using?
Thank you! Here's a link to the mold that I bought: www.midwayusa.com/product/695503/rcbs-1-cavity-bullet-mold-44-370-fn-11mm-44-caliber-446-diameter-370-grain-flat-nose
I cast them with 20 parts lead and one part tin. I use this bullet in three different European rifles that I have. I also shoot this bullet in my Mauser 1871 and Werndl 1867/77.
What powder load are you using, good zhooting by the way
The original load for this cartridge was 75 grains; however, I had to reduce that load to 60 grains in order to be effective with the rifle at these distances, which tended to be between 70 and 100 yards. Original loads had the rifle shooting too high and to one side. If I had to focus on 200 yards or more, I would most likely bump the powder load back up to 75 grains off FF Goex.
@@littlehouseguy7782 Sold my 1892 back in 2006 for 300$ how much did you pay for yours and when..mine was a Styer 8mm.
It looks like I missed your initial question. So sorry. The load I used in the video was 60 grains of FF Goex. I under charged those cases intentionally to get better performance at 100 yards. The service load was 75 grains, which I enjoy for shots past 200 yards.
@@allenschmitz9644 If you are referring to my 71/84 Mauser, I bought it a few years ago for around $688 if I recall correctly.
What caliber is it
11 millimeter or roughly a .43 caliber. However, the slug I shoot is .446 inch.
@@littlehouseguy7782 how many grains of powder
@@wilmamcdermott3065 To my knowledge, 75 grains was the original load; however, I felt compelled to reduce it to 60 in this case so that I could be more effective at these shorter distances. With 60 grains at 100 yards, the shots still hit about seven to eight inches above point of aim. I just couldn't do as well with the rifle at these shorter distances with a full charge. This could primarily be the case because of the shallowness of the rear sight. Other rifles I have that tend to shoot high at 100 yards have deeper rear sights, which allow me to lower the front sight below flush with the rear, allowing me to shoot reasonably effectively at shorter distances. Lastly, if this were a match at 200 yards minimum, I most likely would go back to a full charge of 75 grains.
@@littlehouseguy7782 are u into fast draw comp
@@wilmamcdermott3065 I personally have not been to the point of trying to do it. However, I have enjoyed watching matches. When it comes to my own shooting, I am quite into accuracy and long distance shots. Interestingly, I have been practicing with cap and ball revolvers almost every week and can say that in regard to accuracy, I am starting to become good enough to be dangerous.
Erick a cawboy título, it's my dryme
I hear you on that! This is the closest thing to me ever being in a western.
too clean, gun is too clean, no character.
So sorry to disappoint you! I certainly do keep my originals clean and oiled.