This. Lowest playable settings are 720P (or lower), not 1080 low. And 720p even looks better and runs faster than 1080p low, once you tune some settings (like textures) to medium/high. But the testing is not useless- it lets to compare it vs other iGPUs, and the fact that it can do ~30fps or more at 1080p low just means that almost every game will be playable at 40-50fps or more at 720p.
Well might as well try and get a New console at that point. It will probabably be cheaper and run games better when you factor in all the other parts you have to buy
That's what I did years ago when I was building my new PC: I bought a CPU with integrated graphics card, waited a few months and bought a proper GPU. I think it's a viable option for someone who needs a PC right now and is willing to wait a couple more months in order to also use it for gaming.
if going intel then sure, often the price is basically the same anyways, but if amd you're rather off buying a normal cpu and then a cheap used gpu, as it will be better and cheaper than an apu
I got the 3400G and 16Gb of RAM for my 8yo intending to get him a grfx card a couple of months later and..... a year later and he still hasn't run into any serious bottlenecks that make me go "ah, time to buy that card"! Integrated graphics have went from something to keep you going for a few weeks till you can afford a new card, to something you can legit game on quite happily, it's quite the change! Makes system planning totally different....
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j well, that was maybe the case before, but nowdays even the old gpus are expensive. although the prices are slowly dropping, thank ( the mining) god
Yeah I've been waiting for the gpu market to get reasonable to build a gaming pc for my brother, but I think I'll end up trying to get a 5600g/5700g and let him play on that in the meantime, as it's about a 100% improvement over nothing.
Tbf, i dont think they even wanted to release it away from oem pre built which means they over priced it and if you really want it you'll pay the price
@@geek19954 Nah it doesn't match 10400F, it's much better than that. It only matches it in a handful of Intel optimized titles. And destroys it in most others by a large margin. The point is, it has a good iGPU that NO Intel has. For a small form factor PC without a GPU it simply has no competitor. Stop comparing it like a standalone CPU and treat it as a APU which it is.
Indeed! I cannot remember a single Tech-Tuber who reviewed an APU/iGPU at 900p. Their typical summary is: "Not fast enough for AAA @1080p and @720p it looks ugly, ergo iGPUs suck..." :-/ [sigh!]
I played Star Wars Jedi: Survivor at 900p on my 7600 with 2CU RDNA2. Only got 15FPS though - but theoretically that means 8CU would be 60FPS, if memory bandwidth isn't an issue.
Most of us bought 3600 Ryzen. This might be a viable upgrade just for the CPU part depending on price point. The onboard graphics useful for when something goes wrong .
The main use I've thinking of for these parts is an ultra-compact "serious stuff" PC in an Asrock Deskmini X300 or a InWin B1 build, particularly with the 5600G.
I really like the desk mini but it does not have the power delivery to push a 5700g. I max out the power brick with a 4650g however for about $60 I can get a brick with more power but then the question is can the board make use of it?
I bought x300 for 4750g, for me it's all I need. 8 cores and 16 threads are good for animating on blender and vega 8 graphics are enough for playing minecraft
@@hill160881 The board is rated for 65W TDP CPUs, just like the 5700G and the 5600G, and it comes with a 120W power brick, which should be plenty to power the whole system, I think...
For me, this APU is interesting for running VMs in UNRAID. The APU and the onboard graphics interface can be used to give UNRAID a GPU. An additional graphics card could then be made available for the VM as a passthrough.
@@southpole76 I haven't done this myself yet, but from experience in the unRaid Forum and from my own experience I can say that it is not only hypothetical but also feasible. I even believe that SpaceinvaderOne has made a video about it. I'll have to check again. From my own experience, I know that you can use _any_ graphics card in a VM with GPU passthrough. I only had one dedicated graphics card and assigned it to a VM. For a power-saving unRaid server, it is best not to have an additional graphics card in the computer and to use the APU for absolutely necessary work (for example, installation). If you have 2 graphics cards (an APU and a dedicated card), then you do not need to edit in XLM file. You can just leave the APU for the host and give the graphics card to the VM.
Guys, if you want to play games on the 4000G or 5000G APUs, you REALLY HAVE TO(!) overclock the RAM to 4000MT/s (don't mind the latencies, adjust them accordingly)! It really makes a big difference compared to just 3200MT/s. Additionally overclock the iGPU to >2300MHz. I'm running this setup on a 4750G (which has the same GPU) and just yesterday played Shadow of the TR on this @1080p using something between low and medium settings and got mostly between 35 and 40 FPS. So overclocking RAM quite often makes the difference between playable and non-playable @1080p for AAA titles! BTW: Even using dual rank vs. single rank mem makes a difference! I just upgraded from 16GB SR to 32GB DR and got another 2-3 FPS more. Oh and how much mem did you assign to the iGPU for these tests? I noticed that some games (like Cyberpunk) run poorly, when using the BIOS default of just 1 or 2GB or so. Increasing that to at least 4GB made Cyberpunk run way(!) smoother, less stuttery.
Yes i have the 4650G (the 6 core version), and i can confirm the uplift in IGPU performance by doing 4000mhz 1:1 and upping the dedicaded ram to 4GB. Also overclocking the CPU to 4.2ghz and 2.2 to 2.3 Ghz the GPU do add more performance out of it... How much you say? 10 to 15 FPS more per game. That is the difference from a non playable game to a playable game... Best Regards,
My case is pretty niche but I thought I’d put it out there. The 5700g was suggested to me for a powerful streaming machine where extreme portability was a primary requirement, a mini ITX board in a Velka3 case to be able to easily carried on planes and such. No room for a dedicated GPU due to the four HDMI slot PCI capture card. Looking forward to getting it on august 5th!
@@Supcharged yup that went i am going with 5600x and will later but an 3080 Fe and for now I got a deal I got a display card just for display a asus radeon 1gb gddr3 GPU for just $6
Does it make difference tho? As far as I'm concerned, pci 4gen only makes some noticeable difference to those who have an I/O connected to a device that can use all of it's band. And only super high end GPUs and super high end SSDs will deliver this kind of noticeable gain. If you don't have any of these, it really doesn't matter... GN's video about PCI-e 4 and PCI-e 3, "the difference is real... but its also irrelevant" th-cam.com/video/0DKVVtirNM8/w-d-xo.html
@@Threewlz Correct, pcie gen3 does not make that big a difference in performance compared to the reduced cache, that is a serious kneecap on both r5/r7 apu performance.
Name a mobile platform that can take advantage of pcie gen4? Exactly it’s pointless. I can run a 3080 at full power on 4x pcie 3 riser card. I loose less than 4% performance in games and none on compute tasks. So until you can max out the bandwidth why have more?
I really doubt it considering you'd have to play on lowest settings with the iGPU enabled to even close to 45-60fps on average with the 5700g. So I can only imagine how 5600g would perform under similar conditions.
Should also be a pretty good APU for a compact developer system. Most don‘t need a discrete GPU, but more cores and high single core performance can make a huge difference depending on your exact workload.
I would love a follow up article, where you test the integrated graphics performance on popular/AAA games from 2017 or earlier. I am guessing, that games from that era (and many of us have a huge backlog) might run quite well indeed (until you can afford a proper GPU). Just few games that come to mind: overwatch, titanfall2, deus ex mankind divided, dishonored 2, mafia 3, watch dogs 2, witcher 3, wolfenstein new colossus, destiny 2, Nier: Automata, Divinity: original sin2 etc. edited for clarity
Hey could you guys do some testing with games running with Proton on Linux, and compare with the same games running on Windows? It would be relevant for getting an idea of how games will perform on the Steam Deck.
GPU is quite different though, this is still Vega whereas the Zen in the steamdeck uses RDNA2. Then there's also the thing with power budget and the fact that the steamdeck uses zen2, not zen3. Note that I'm not against the testing itself, in contrary actually. Just that it's not going to be a reliable representation of performance to be expected of the steamdeck.
@@Spentalei Yeah, testing won't be accurate unless they do it with the Deck itself. I'd say it'd be worth to see the difference when testing the top end Zen 2 and RDNA2 chips to see the how the architectures fare in Proton and Windows, it would give us a rough idea of the performance drop to expect between OSes.
I had the same thought and tried it yesterday with the latest SteamOS build. After the initial boot, where it booted into a linux desktop, connected to WiFi, finished downloading stuff, and then backed itself up, on the next boot it had display issues. The screen essentially stayed black with an occasional flicker of something that looked like a big mouse pointer in the center of the screen. Tried it with a different monitor but it did the same thing. I got the feeling that SteamOS isn't quite happy with the 5700G yet, though I'd like to know why it broke. The initial linux boot seemed okay.
@@Spentalei agreed that it won't represent how the Deck itself plays, but it would be a good baseline for the state of Windows alternatives before SteamOS 3.0 launches and (allegedly) improves things.
@@dividion8102 Maybe you want to try Garuda Linux. I dislike the overt gamery look it has, but it werks. The 5700G is very new and Steam OS 2.0 is (now) very old. On a side note, you can try switching to a virtual console (Ctrl + Alt + F keys, F1-F6 for terminal, F7 back to desktop) and then trying to update the OS with 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y'. Then reboot. I had some issues with OSes not behaving properly until updated.
Love the channel and thank you for the work you guys put in for our sake. I think this wasnt for "us" its for OEM / Business solutions that wanted more computing power and no DGPU.
As someone who used a 2200G for a year, here is a tip: 900p do exist, dont use 1080p with a Vega APU. 900p looks almost as good as 1080p (in 720p things get ugly) and it gives a large fps boost compared to 1080p.
@@pieterrossouw8596 More than indies, i was able to play petty much everything with OC and being creative with the settings. At that time i replayed Witcher 3 at 900p with a combination of ultra/high/med/low settings that looked really good. The one game that i would have been unable to play was RDR2 but i already had a 570 by that time.
What would be interesting to see is if there is a noticeable performance difference using the 6900XT. I am curious if the NV driver overhead is coming into play.
AMD apu's have come such a long way. I've used a Puma based A8-6410 (4c4t) 15w tdp laptop, Trinity (4c4t) 5800k apu desktop and now a 4700u (8c8t) 15w tdo laptop. The 4700u is amazing.
possibly? definitely. and dramatically. the reason AMD stuck with vega on these is because the restraint is entirely from the ram speed. having stacked memory would allow insane latency and super fast speeds, so they could switch to the latest gpu designs and likely have 3x the performance
Grabbed one of these today. I understand some of the more negative findings in this video, but I stuck my purchase in a bluray/ripping/encoding box that I built end 2019 using a ryzen 3 apu, and am now seeing an excellent increase in performance with handbrake and other tools I use for archiving physical video media. I think it is a bit too easy to forget how AMD allows us to buy a CPU in 2022 and drop it in a 2019/2020 motherboard without any issues apart from possibly a bios update. I’ve been building my own PCs since the mid 90’s and it is only now that I can realistically plan to upgrade a CPU on an old motherboard, rather than thinking I can upgrade later only to find the manufacturers changed motherboard chip-sets and broke compatibility every year or so.
this is definetley the way to go. 900p with TAA on a 1080p monitor looks pretty fine. Meanwhile with 720p you start to lose crucial graphic details in the game.
@@argh6666 no object or video should make you happy? lmao why does anyone watch movies, play games, eat food or drive for fun. How dare they have objects or videos make them happy >:( No person or relationship should make you happy. Have some hobbies and do your own thing. All you need. Best wishes! :/
@@argh6666 You need to get a sense of humour my friend. No joke or line shouldn't make you happy. Watch comedies, form sarcasm. All you need. Best wishes to you too!
Look forward to Buildzoid pushing the IMC and DDR4 to the limit! Nice review. Its between 3700x and 5800x, seems to be a few points here or there, faster than a 3800xt.
This CPU is almost 50€ cheaper here than the 5700X and it has an iGPU which can be very useful. Id say its great value for money since its really not far off the regular 5700X and it looks like a tuned 5700G (static OC or PBO Tuning) could catch a stock 5700X.
I love this chip! yeah whilst I can agree with everything said in the video I think I've just become a fan of the APU's . So when they conclude that this chip doesn't really have a place I'd disagree. There is definitely a small group of enthusiasts who are creating content and making awesome builds with this chip.
Form factor is also important. You can build a mini/micro pc with this. But with dGPU, that is not possible at all. So, it would be great if someone can compare only the APUs among themselves first before getting into dGPU options.
I so wish they could have gave us an RDNA2 GPU along side the U-series APUs. That would of been awsome for them to give us the GPU from the Steam Deck and slapped it together with the Zen 3 8 Core CPU from the 5800U/5900HS/5700G. That would of made for a seriously amazing APU/ low end Laptop gaming system.
This APUs scream "non-gamer" system to me. It would be perfect for as the heart of a system to replace my dad's ancient Intel system. An 8-core system would probably last him a decade. Add a B550 board, a 16GB RAM kit, a 1TB NVMe SSD, a modest PSU and case - he'd be thrilled for years. Heck, I'd be thrilled with something like this in my office computer. I think AMD wasn't being foolish rolling these out to OEMs first. They sell to the kind of buyers who are ideal for this thing. Mind you, it would make a fun little Linux tinkering system and it would be a hilariously overkill upgrade in my 3200G home theatre system.
Yup. I bought an HP box in April with this APU. Replaced the single stick of RAM with 2 x 8 GB, did a clean OS install and it runs media for the house flawlessly for less than 600 bucks total. Wouldn't even think of gaming with it.
8 core 5700G like the i7 10700 look good choices for Audio Music production DAW FL Fruity loops software if you are not running dual monitor setups and simply not using much of the integrated graphics.
Some thoughts then for the full review.... This APU isn't really cutting it in 1080p, as you found out. Since heavy game tweaking is off the table for your reviews (that's more LowSpecGamers forte), you really should test in 720p, and/or 1080p with resolution scaling. FSR could be an option, but it's not yet supported in many games yet and the image quality hit below 1080p might not be worth it - unless it makes a game playable. And yes, some games are definitely playable at 30 fps. Come on Steve, don't be that guy. Before the inevitable and pointless "Who games in 720p?" questions, people need to realize what this chip can and cannot do. It isn't fair nor reasonable to expect 1080p 60fps in every game from this tiny APU. If this is *all* the horsepower you have, making it work well enough is definitely significant. If that means 720p lowest settings, so be it. Would you rather *not* play the game at all? 100% personal opinion and choice. Otherwise a good first look, thanks for the quality content as always!
I fall under "graphics cards availability and pricing" reasoning, so after my GPU died I am returning my Ryzen 5 5600X and bought Ryzen 7 5700G (arriving tomorrow) so at least I can play my game until GPUs approach a more reasonable and affordable price. I'd rather play with low settings than not at all with the APU. I will never buy computer parts off of Ebay again after getting a "new" used, broken seal, nonworking PSU, I returned it and they sent it to me again as a replacement.
That's a bit rough, I'd expect more performance from a chip that costs the same as the 3700x when it were released for not much more performance. I'll wait for AM5 for upgrading I suppose!
@@snozzly yeah ik, but at least it's not a 10980xe case (for those who don't know, refer to Linus tech tips first video about that cpu to understand). There's a minimum difference between the 2.
I bought the 5700G in December last year after watching this video. Back then a 3060 was like 800-1000€ where I live, and I just wasn't willing to pay such prices. The Vega 8 Graphics have been working great, paired with DDR4 slightly overclocked to 4000 Mhz / CL18 with Infinity Fabric at 2000 Mhz. It runs everything, even Cyberpunk. Now prices have come down, I bought a 6800 for 570€ and I'm really glad I waited and didn't spend tons of money on a much weaker card.
@James Smith 5600X at 280 is still bad considering that the i7-10700K was around 260 in amazon. Ryzen 7 5700G is still better and Ryzen 7 5800X is also a good choice too. But at the end, a Tiger Lake i7-11800H should be way better than a 5600X considering the overall price for a system and GPU pricing and other nonsense
Watching this video from the future. I found the information I was looking for and will swap up my 3400G in my tiny HTPC. Awesome video (now that prices have come down).
This is a very interesting video for me and you've done a good job of studying and testing the various options. I am someone who would be in the market for the 5700G but I will have to study your results to see if there might a different combination that is better for me.
Can you test the memory overclocking? Seemingly those really high on the infinity fabric (2300MHz are seemingly possible). And could you test if this is worth it over the cash in some scenarios for example esports titles for really high framerates to reduce input lag.
yes he review the memory controler and the conclusion is that you gain 3-4 FPS with some expensive G Skill DDR4 4000-4000 Mhz CL16 in dual rank configuration, so even if people's push ridiculously high memory speed at 4400 Mhz you still gain only 3-4 FPS lol Imagine who will be is so dumb to spending so much money on that expensive memory just to get 3 FPS more with 5700G lol?, but even if u gain 3 FPS with that memory you will still getting so much slower/ worse performance in games than with 6 core ryzen 5600x who is 80 $ less and beat the shit out from 5700g in games, as you can see Steve show here in graph review. Now if you talking to pair that expensive G Skill DDR4 4000 with ryzen 5900x i guess it will be another story, but even then is not worth it just to gain some 5-6 FPS, cause you can take some so much cheaper Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 18 18 38 trc 84 at the half of amount of money you spend on g skill, and the overclocked crucial like i did to 3800 MHz CL 16 17 17 17 33 trc to 50 , then lower the TRFC from 991 to 541 and TFAW down from 38 to 12, DRAM voltage at 1.4 V, and so on and you will get some closer result to g skill;)
@@faithful2008 That is bullshit, in most cpu limited scenarios the difference is huge (up to 25%). If you want to test gpus, you try to elimante all the "bottle necks" or variations in the system. So yes you should run the strongest cpu and ram that you can.
Thanks for the insight. Looks like I'll be keeping my 3400G till zen 4 comes around. Maybe they'll include 4 channel memory support for increased bandwidth
I'm in no hurry, but I'll need a new 'daily driver,' as this system is getting fairly old already. This helps. So happy to be on Patreon so you guys can buy these!
@@Hardwareunboxed makes sense; even if it was available for 5600X money on Amazon or other sites or the 4650G for around 3600 money. So even if it wasn't strictly speaking a retail CPU, one could still get their hands on one (depending on region ofc)
The 5700G is interesting in regards of energy efficiency for a PC that idles a lot. And it should make cooling much cheaper. I can well imagine it in a silent office pc for art streaming or cad modelling. Also the 16 pcie lanes for a graphics card make it superior to a lot of the ryzen lineupe with graphics, that only has 8 pcie lanes for a gpu. that includes the mentioned 3400G with 8 pcie lanes for the gpus. From a gaming standpoint, the balance between cpu power anf gpu power is well suited for cpu heavy and gpu light games like minecraft java edition. The memory controller being made in 7nm process, also promises greater memory overclocking potential. While the lack of ecc support rules it out for serious workstation use.
That is, of cause, until the triple A titles of the same time comes out. People was hoping the same for DDR4 and DDR3. Take a look at the memory bandwidth of even a modest GPU (say GeForce 960) and compare that to DDR5 5400.... it's depressing....
The main problem is RAM. DDR4 is too slow for graphics and they already had several iterations of Vega in APUs. It was easier to do this, instead of making RDNA2 APU that would be bottlenecked by DDR4 even more than Vega.
ps5 is a zen2 apu with rdna2, so a zen3 apu with rdna2 would be better than ps5, other than the fact its got gddr6 too, amd recently have been putting out the chip, but with the igpu disabled, including gddr6 integration, amd have the tech, just cant give it to us, blame sony
I wish for these tests, that someone would use PBO to increase the power limits. I have a feeling that most of the performance differences are due to the significantly lower power target. Basically more components than a 5800x, but a significantly lower power target.
How about a 3600 or 11400F for about 200$ + used rx 550 4gb or new 1030 DDR5 for less or same price and later swap the gpu? You won't lose much on the cpu side either
It should be noted that with 65W TDP it has less power for clocks than the 5800X that has a higher TDP. It's not only the L3 cache difference. I also don't think there are any driver bugs, GCN has very mature drivers. It's impressive that integrated Vega is often faster than the discrete RX 550 that only uses GCN 4 but has a lot more memory bandwidth.
why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch over steve calling 30 fps unplayable, he literally said that's his opinion, if you find it playable then more power to ya
Here's a missed angle: For a low noise cool running DAW the 5700G is perfect - even in 2022 there's nothing as elegant as it for these kinds of things.
Would you consider adding a benefit for members where they can request certain games to be benchmarked? A lot of the time when people get new hardware they like to revisit old favorites to see how well they run now and thatd be cool to see the improvement on older popular titles as well
That's actually a great insight into what the Steam Deck will allow, of course at ~50% pixel counts than 1080p, and likely hitting 60fps more often w/ more capable iGPU and less constrained memory. fingers crossed all the games shown here can do >800p at 60fps with medium settings.
I really may be getting this to upgrade my 2700X, even without the recommendation. It fits right in the performance envelope that I expected it to be. And I want to have a backup during the semester in case my GPU dies. I'm paying for the piece of mind, really.
I think this APU looks like a winner. Not for gaming though, but for productivity stuff. Basically you get an 8-core that beats the 3700X, with integrated graphics that handily beats Intel's iGPU. I'll be looking into making a quiet ITX build with this, for a general office machine with no discrete GPU. Can't wait! :)
This is helpful for people running servers who pass their primary GPU's through to a VM. I have long been running a 3700x headless as (no GPU at all) in my server, waiting for a GPU to come buy for TV gaming on my TV, however it would be a lot easier to pass through the primary GPU when there is already onboard graphics. Personally I prefer a lower TDP part compared to something in the intel range with this many cores.
@NightBladeDK yea but you have to account that is has only a 720p screen so only less then 1/8 of the pixel of a 4k screen need to rendered. in other words a Steam Deck running at 720p should get about the same FPS like a RX 6800 running the same game at 4k
@NightBladeDK I guess Valve wanted more than 20 minutes of battery life, and not add another $100 to the price (additional 12 CUs + ~32MB of cache to feed those).
And then AMD will limit it to RDNA2+ only to make you buy the brand new 6700G. Don't buy anything that is not worth its price at the moment of purchase, hoping it would get better. It won't.
I would like to see an clock to clok cpu preformance comparasion and an iGpu oc test, i think u can hit 2.2ghz on thise vega cores and it gives a sizable bump and maby it will push some games above playable range
FSR in high Qualty mode could add some FPS , and yes , i know , FSR is not really good with FHD . Maybe playing with mid Settings under FSR in FHD could remove some of the downsides . An comparison of real 720p to FSR FHD would be more interresting than pairing the APU with an 3080 TI or 6800XT at least in my eyes .
it worse 720p scale to 1080p. Resulting image looks blurry and loses details. for better results, it needs to set resolution not too far from 1080p (FHD)
I've bought a 3400g back in 2020 and earlier this year I've managed to snatch a RTX 3070 so I'm just waiting for the 5600g to drop so I can optimize my setup for 1440p gaming. As I see, there's just no reason to pay a single dollar more for a cpu under this specific circumstances of mine since the difference would be negligible, if any, at that resolution using that graphics card.
I have a 3700x and an RX 470(4GB) with 3200mhz memory. I got the 3700x & rx 470 used for $280usd. They're on a B450 mobo as I have no need for pcie 4. I'm pretty happy but will upgrade the gpu when it's sane to do so. I had such high hopes for the 5000 series apus but, I think I'll just stick with my current AM4 rig until AM5 has launched and the inevitable 'new platform' bugs are ... less buggy.
30 fps is absolutely playable performance! I played at 30-35 FPS for around four years until I was able to upgrade my laptop to something more powerful and modern. Work with what you've got, but hitting these frames with the same Vega iGPU effectively, just optimized and maxed out as is, is quite impressive to say the least.
Here in the Nordics, it's been hard to get a hold of a reasonably priced pre-built with a 5_00X CPU. And you need to buy a pre-built to land a GPU without being ripped off. However, 5_00G pre-builts are now here and affordable: Got my dad a HP Pavilion 5600G, RTX 3060 12 GB, 16 GB 3200 MHz, 256 GB NVMe build for about 1000 €. At least at the time, the GPU alone was going for more than half that price, and the cheapest builds with 5600X or better were 1500+ € gaming monsters beyond my dad's needs. If your market situation is similar, it's easy to recommend a good 5_00G prebuilt for anyone looking for a mid-tier all-arounder PC.
IMO the most interesting thing about these is that the infinity fabric can be overclocked to well above 2 Ghz (more like 2.3-2.4), making RAM OC excellent. So basically an overclocker's CPU.
I'd recommend business grade OEMs, not consumer grade. Down the line if you want to upgrade or fix it, fingers crossed. Also MB and other components support is significantly longer (at a minimum of 3yrs due to warranty). You just don't have that in consumer throw aways. You can get decent HP Z2xx or Z4xx series for a bargain. Plus a lot of businesses that closed or those who upgraded because of the pandemic have already flipped or returned their OEMs. Just don't think that it's worth the +1000$us that he spent on this consumer OEM.
i would pretty much always recommend a dedicated GPU. except for my situation where a 1050 Ti would cost extra $200 for outperforming the 5600G, or the 1030 would cost $100 extra for about the same performance. Also the 5600G is roughly $30 cheaper here then the 5600X, and i saved $20 on a daily deal. So for me its a decent CPU with a free graphics unit. and if prices may drop in the future i can just add a dedicated GPU.
Steve: The APU only handles 1080p 30 FPS in AAA games so that's unplayable.
Me who played whole Witcher 3 720p 25 FPS: Is it though?
I love the channel, but when I hear a 1% low of 30fps called 'unplayable' my face goes like this :/
/old man
I remember gaming 480p back in my childhood.
Yeah when it wasn't that long ago when 1080p and 30fps was the standard for MOST gaming.
This. Lowest playable settings are 720P (or lower), not 1080 low. And 720p even looks better and runs faster than 1080p low, once you tune some settings (like textures) to medium/high. But the testing is not useless- it lets to compare it vs other iGPUs, and the fact that it can do ~30fps or more at 1080p low just means that almost every game will be playable at 40-50fps or more at 720p.
Well might as well try and get a New console at that point. It will probabably be cheaper and run games better when you factor in all the other parts you have to buy
It's impressive to see iGPU more powerful than RX 550.
wait until they use rdna on apus
@@beck3740 steam deck
I'm sitting over here with a 9600GT...
Not really, i had a 2200g that was already faster then Rx550, its all about tightening the memory timings with these APU's.
@Transistor Jump and 2200g since 2016
That's what I did years ago when I was building my new PC: I bought a CPU with integrated graphics card, waited a few months and bought a proper GPU. I think it's a viable option for someone who needs a PC right now and is willing to wait a couple more months in order to also use it for gaming.
if going intel then sure, often the price is basically the same anyways, but if amd you're rather off buying a normal cpu and then a cheap used gpu, as it will be better and cheaper than an apu
I got the 3400G and 16Gb of RAM for my 8yo intending to get him a grfx card a couple of months later and..... a year later and he still hasn't run into any serious bottlenecks that make me go "ah, time to buy that card"!
Integrated graphics have went from something to keep you going for a few weeks till you can afford a new card, to something you can legit game on quite happily, it's quite the change! Makes system planning totally different....
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j well, that was maybe the case before, but nowdays even the old gpus are expensive. although the prices are slowly dropping, thank ( the mining) god
Yeah I've been waiting for the gpu market to get reasonable to build a gaming pc for my brother, but I think I'll end up trying to get a 5600g/5700g and let him play on that in the meantime, as it's about a 100% improvement over nothing.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j there is no such thing as a "cheap gpu" in the current market
Did we ever think we would hear the phrase “Simply too expensive” from an AMD product! Lol.
How times have changed.
Unfortunately, this is the usual result of a chip maker getting confident that their competitors will lag behind (which Intel still does).
It's quite insane that it barely matches an intel 11400 and costs double...
Yes, we do, It's called the Ryzen 5000 series for a while now.
Tbf, i dont think they even wanted to release it away from oem pre built which means they over priced it and if you really want it you'll pay the price
@@geek19954 Nah it doesn't match 10400F, it's much better than that. It only matches it in a handful of Intel optimized titles. And destroys it in most others by a large margin.
The point is, it has a good iGPU that NO Intel has.
For a small form factor PC without a GPU it simply has no competitor. Stop comparing it like a standalone CPU and treat it as a APU which it is.
900p is a great resolution for APUs and lower end hardware in general. I hate that people always disregard it and skip straight to 720p
Indeed! I cannot remember a single Tech-Tuber who reviewed an APU/iGPU at 900p.
Their typical summary is: "Not fast enough for AAA @1080p and @720p it looks ugly, ergo iGPUs suck..." :-/ [sigh!]
I played Star Wars Jedi: Survivor at 900p on my 7600 with 2CU RDNA2. Only got 15FPS though - but theoretically that means 8CU would be 60FPS, if memory bandwidth isn't an issue.
Most of us bought 3600 Ryzen. This might be a viable upgrade just for the CPU part depending on price point. The onboard graphics useful for when something goes wrong .
The main use I've thinking of for these parts is an ultra-compact "serious stuff" PC in an Asrock Deskmini X300 or a InWin B1 build, particularly with the 5600G.
I really like the desk mini but it does not have the power delivery to push a 5700g. I max out the power brick with a 4650g however for about $60 I can get a brick with more power but then the question is can the board make use of it?
I bought x300 for 4750g, for me it's all I need. 8 cores and 16 threads are good for animating on blender and vega 8 graphics are enough for playing minecraft
@@hill160881 The board is rated for 65W TDP CPUs, just like the 5700G and the 5600G, and it comes with a 120W power brick, which should be plenty to power the whole system, I think...
Has the 5700G or 5600G been confirmed to work with the X300?
@@obedulloa6219 it is not in the current support list but I would be surprised if they don't release a BIOS update once it goes for sale on retail...
For me, this APU is interesting for running VMs in UNRAID. The APU and the onboard graphics interface can be used to give UNRAID a GPU. An additional graphics card could then be made available for the VM as a passthrough.
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this is hypothetical or you got this working?
@@southpole76 I haven't done this myself yet, but from experience in the unRaid Forum and from my own experience I can say that it is not only hypothetical but also feasible. I even believe that SpaceinvaderOne has made a video about it. I'll have to check again.
From my own experience, I know that you can use _any_ graphics card in a VM with GPU passthrough. I only had one dedicated graphics card and assigned it to a VM. For a power-saving unRaid server, it is best not to have an additional graphics card in the computer and to use the APU for absolutely necessary work (for example, installation).
If you have 2 graphics cards (an APU and a dedicated card), then you do not need to edit in XLM file. You can just leave the APU for the host and give the graphics card to the VM.
I have done it. It's now running ESXi 6.7U3b.
Guys, if you want to play games on the 4000G or 5000G APUs, you REALLY HAVE TO(!) overclock the RAM to 4000MT/s (don't mind the latencies, adjust them accordingly)!
It really makes a big difference compared to just 3200MT/s.
Additionally overclock the iGPU to >2300MHz.
I'm running this setup on a 4750G (which has the same GPU) and just yesterday played Shadow of the TR on this @1080p using something between low and medium settings and got mostly between 35 and 40 FPS.
So overclocking RAM quite often makes the difference between playable and non-playable @1080p for AAA titles!
BTW: Even using dual rank vs. single rank mem makes a difference! I just upgraded from 16GB SR to 32GB DR and got another 2-3 FPS more.
Oh and how much mem did you assign to the iGPU for these tests?
I noticed that some games (like Cyberpunk) run poorly, when using the BIOS default of just 1 or 2GB or so.
Increasing that to at least 4GB made Cyberpunk run way(!) smoother, less stuttery.
kind of obvious
Yes i have the 4650G (the 6 core version), and i can confirm the uplift in IGPU performance by doing 4000mhz 1:1 and upping the dedicaded ram to 4GB.
Also overclocking the CPU to 4.2ghz and 2.2 to 2.3 Ghz the GPU do add more performance out of it...
How much you say? 10 to 15 FPS more per game. That is the difference from a non playable game to a playable game...
Best Regards,
just slap some cheap 3000mhz kit and be done with it.
Thanks for the info
My case is pretty niche but I thought I’d put it out there. The 5700g was suggested to me for a powerful streaming machine where extreme portability was a primary requirement, a mini ITX board in a Velka3 case to be able to easily carried on planes and such. No room for a dedicated GPU due to the four HDMI slot PCI capture card. Looking forward to getting it on august 5th!
The really sad part is it has pcie gen 3 and not as fast as 11700 when paired with an gpu
Not just pcie gen 3, but reduced amount of lanes too
@@Supcharged yup that went i am going with 5600x and will later but an 3080 Fe and for now I got a deal I got a display card just for display a asus radeon 1gb gddr3 GPU for just $6
Does it make difference tho? As far as I'm concerned, pci 4gen only makes some noticeable difference to those who have an I/O connected to a device that can use all of it's band. And only super high end GPUs and super high end SSDs will deliver this kind of noticeable gain. If you don't have any of these, it really doesn't matter...
GN's video about PCI-e 4 and PCI-e 3, "the difference is real... but its also irrelevant"
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@@Threewlz Correct, pcie gen3 does not make that big a difference in performance compared to the reduced cache, that is a serious kneecap on both r5/r7 apu performance.
Name a mobile platform that can take advantage of pcie gen4? Exactly it’s pointless. I can run a 3080 at full power on 4x pcie 3 riser card. I loose less than 4% performance in games and none on compute tasks. So until you can max out the bandwidth why have more?
Would like to see FSR tests just for shits and giggles.
Can't wait for the 5600G review since I think that's the sweetspot for price and performance which is what people using APU are aiming for.
The other Steve reviewed it.Not good,basically a 3600x.The loss of cache really hurts Zen 3.
I really doubt it considering you'd have to play on lowest settings with the iGPU enabled to even close to 45-60fps on average with the 5700g.
So I can only imagine how 5600g would perform under similar conditions.
Ryzen 7 5700G has faster singlethreded speed and multithreaded.
That Ryzen 5 APU is worse than a 10600K for gaming.
Should also be a pretty good APU for a compact developer system. Most don‘t need a discrete GPU, but more cores and high single core performance can make a huge difference depending on your exact workload.
It would have been better if it had pcie 4.0 support .. Which will help content creators make use high speed nvme storage
@@animon47dr35 At that point just buy an 11400, igp, pcie 4.0, and only $180
I would love a follow up article, where you test the integrated graphics performance on popular/AAA games from 2017 or earlier. I am guessing, that games from that era (and many of us have a huge backlog) might run quite well indeed (until you can afford a proper GPU).
Just few games that come to mind: overwatch, titanfall2, deus ex mankind divided, dishonored 2, mafia 3, watch dogs 2, witcher 3, wolfenstein new colossus, destiny 2, Nier: Automata, Divinity: original sin2 etc.
edited for clarity
I still mostly play civ4 and arma2
@@paddyodoors2757 diablo 3 here too, and Witcher 3 sometimes
Hey could you guys do some testing with games running with Proton on Linux, and compare with the same games running on Windows? It would be relevant for getting an idea of how games will perform on the Steam Deck.
GPU is quite different though, this is still Vega whereas the Zen in the steamdeck uses RDNA2. Then there's also the thing with power budget and the fact that the steamdeck uses zen2, not zen3.
Note that I'm not against the testing itself, in contrary actually. Just that it's not going to be a reliable representation of performance to be expected of the steamdeck.
@@Spentalei Yeah, testing won't be accurate unless they do it with the Deck itself. I'd say it'd be worth to see the difference when testing the top end Zen 2 and RDNA2 chips to see the how the architectures fare in Proton and Windows, it would give us a rough idea of the performance drop to expect between OSes.
I had the same thought and tried it yesterday with the latest SteamOS build. After the initial boot, where it booted into a linux desktop, connected to WiFi, finished downloading stuff, and then backed itself up, on the next boot it had display issues. The screen essentially stayed black with an occasional flicker of something that looked like a big mouse pointer in the center of the screen. Tried it with a different monitor but it did the same thing. I got the feeling that SteamOS isn't quite happy with the 5700G yet, though I'd like to know why it broke. The initial linux boot seemed okay.
@@Spentalei agreed that it won't represent how the Deck itself plays, but it would be a good baseline for the state of Windows alternatives before SteamOS 3.0 launches and (allegedly) improves things.
@@dividion8102 Maybe you want to try Garuda Linux. I dislike the overt gamery look it has, but it werks. The 5700G is very new and Steam OS 2.0 is (now) very old.
On a side note, you can try switching to a virtual console (Ctrl + Alt + F keys, F1-F6 for terminal, F7 back to desktop) and then trying to update the OS with 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y'. Then reboot. I had some issues with OSes not behaving properly until updated.
Maybe I've missed it but it doesn't specify on any of the graphs what speed of RAM was used. Seems kind of important for iGPU performance.
They run everything on stock 3200mhz
@@Supcharged oooh no, so it's completely gimped
@@reto. it’s the spec Amd advertises and the performance they expect.
@@Supcharged Yes, it's just the AMD validated platform specs, motherboard manufacturers have much much higher specs on their QVL for these APUs.
@@reto. right, so it's not completely gimped if it's the advertised spec. Anything beyond 3200 is OC.
As a ryzen 5 pro 4650g user I am really happy with my cpu and the graphics till the time I find a dgpu
Love the channel and thank you for the work you guys put in for our sake.
I think this wasnt for "us" its for OEM / Business solutions that wanted more computing power and no DGPU.
As someone who used a 2200G for a year, here is a tip: 900p do exist, dont use 1080p with a Vega APU. 900p looks almost as good as 1080p (in 720p things get ugly) and it gives a large fps boost compared to 1080p.
2200G was killer value for a media center PC that can also play a few indie games.
Lol everyone always acts like 1080p and 720p are the only options. No one's ever heard of the middle 900p that every game has
@@pieterrossouw8596 More than indies, i was able to play petty much everything with OC and being creative with the settings. At that time i replayed Witcher 3 at 900p with a combination of ultra/high/med/low settings that looked really good. The one game that i would have been unable to play was RDR2 but i already had a 570 by that time.
What would be interesting to see is if there is a noticeable performance difference using the 6900XT. I am curious if the NV driver overhead is coming into play.
AMD apu's have come such a long way. I've used a Puma based A8-6410 (4c4t) 15w tdp laptop, Trinity (4c4t) 5800k apu desktop and now a 4700u (8c8t) 15w tdo laptop. The 4700u is amazing.
Would be interesting to see a 5700g with stacked memory, could possibly help with graphics performance.
possibly? definitely. and dramatically. the reason AMD stuck with vega on these is because the restraint is entirely from the ram speed. having stacked memory would allow insane latency and super fast speeds, so they could switch to the latest gpu designs and likely have 3x the performance
Grabbed one of these today. I understand some of the more negative findings in this video, but I stuck my purchase in a bluray/ripping/encoding box that I built end 2019 using a ryzen 3 apu, and am now seeing an excellent increase in performance with handbrake and other tools I use for archiving physical video media. I think it is a bit too easy to forget how AMD allows us to buy a CPU in 2022 and drop it in a 2019/2020 motherboard without any issues apart from possibly a bios update. I’ve been building my own PCs since the mid 90’s and it is only now that I can realistically plan to upgrade a CPU on an old motherboard, rather than thinking I can upgrade later only to find the manufacturers changed motherboard chip-sets and broke compatibility every year or so.
If I find a game choppy on my 960m id try 1600*900 first before dropping all the way to 720
Oh god, I used to use my laptop that had that GPU. Can't imagine going back to it now that I have my RTX 2070 PC 😆
this is definetley the way to go. 900p with TAA on a 1080p monitor looks pretty fine. Meanwhile with 720p you start to lose crucial graphic details in the game.
That sinking feeling when it's 9pm and there's no Hardware Unboxed video. Than the joy when at 9:01pm it's here! :D
You need to get a life my friend. No object or video should make you happy. Meet people and form some good relationships. All you need. Best wishes!
@@argh6666 no object or video should make you happy? lmao why does anyone watch movies, play games, eat food or drive for fun. How dare they have objects or videos make them happy >:(
No person or relationship should make you happy. Have some hobbies and do your own thing. All you need. Best wishes!
:/
@@argh6666 You need to get a sense of humour my friend. No joke or line shouldn't make you happy. Watch comedies, form sarcasm. All you need. Best wishes to you too!
Like waking up just after 7 am to see my second favorite Australians have another video
My wife is my favorite Australian 🤷♂️
Embarrassing
Look forward to Buildzoid pushing the IMC and DDR4 to the limit! Nice review. Its between 3700x and 5800x, seems to be a few points here or there, faster than a 3800xt.
He already has for the 4650G, the Zen3 based ones are similar.
This CPU is almost 50€ cheaper here than the 5700X and it has an iGPU which can be very useful. Id say its great value for money since its really not far off the regular 5700X and it looks like a tuned 5700G (static OC or PBO Tuning) could catch a stock 5700X.
I love this chip! yeah whilst I can agree with everything said in the video I think I've just become a fan of the APU's . So when they conclude that this chip doesn't really have a place I'd disagree. There is definitely a small group of enthusiasts who are creating content and making awesome builds with this chip.
Form factor is also important. You can build a mini/micro pc with this. But with dGPU, that is not possible at all. So, it would be great if someone can compare only the APUs among themselves first before getting into dGPU options.
I so wish they could have gave us an RDNA2 GPU along side the U-series APUs. That would of been awsome for them to give us the GPU from the Steam Deck and slapped it together with the Zen 3 8 Core CPU from the 5800U/5900HS/5700G. That would of made for a seriously amazing APU/ low end Laptop gaming system.
Finally you were able to get your hands on it.
Good vid, appreciate it. Would've liked to see comparison to PRO 4650G...
This APUs scream "non-gamer" system to me. It would be perfect for as the heart of a system to replace my dad's ancient Intel system. An 8-core system would probably last him a decade. Add a B550 board, a 16GB RAM kit, a 1TB NVMe SSD, a modest PSU and case - he'd be thrilled for years. Heck, I'd be thrilled with something like this in my office computer. I think AMD wasn't being foolish rolling these out to OEMs first. They sell to the kind of buyers who are ideal for this thing.
Mind you, it would make a fun little Linux tinkering system and it would be a hilariously overkill upgrade in my 3200G home theatre system.
Yup. I bought an HP box in April with this APU. Replaced the single stick of RAM with 2 x 8 GB, did a clean OS install and it runs media for the house flawlessly for less than 600 bucks total. Wouldn't even think of gaming with it.
Office, home server, or retro gaming center. He's right, it's a bit expensive but there is a market available for this APU.
@@JeffCollins05 Agreed. ETA Prime has done a couple videos running emulations on this chip and it does a great job, apparently.
8 core 5700G like the i7 10700 look good choices for Audio Music production DAW FL Fruity loops software if you are not running dual monitor setups and simply not using much of the integrated graphics.
Some thoughts then for the full review....
This APU isn't really cutting it in 1080p, as you found out. Since heavy game tweaking is off the table for your reviews (that's more LowSpecGamers forte), you really should test in 720p, and/or 1080p with resolution scaling. FSR could be an option, but it's not yet supported in many games yet and the image quality hit below 1080p might not be worth it - unless it makes a game playable. And yes, some games are definitely playable at 30 fps. Come on Steve, don't be that guy.
Before the inevitable and pointless "Who games in 720p?" questions, people need to realize what this chip can and cannot do. It isn't fair nor reasonable to expect 1080p 60fps in every game from this tiny APU. If this is *all* the horsepower you have, making it work well enough is definitely significant.
If that means 720p lowest settings, so be it. Would you rather *not* play the game at all? 100% personal opinion and choice.
Otherwise a good first look, thanks for the quality content as always!
I fall under "graphics cards availability and pricing" reasoning, so after my GPU died I am returning my Ryzen 5 5600X and bought Ryzen 7 5700G (arriving tomorrow) so at least I can play my game until GPUs approach a more reasonable and affordable price.
I'd rather play with low settings than not at all with the APU.
I will never buy computer parts off of Ebay again after getting a "new" used, broken seal, nonworking PSU, I returned it and they sent it to me again as a replacement.
That's a bit rough, I'd expect more performance from a chip that costs the same as the 3700x when it were released for not much more performance.
I'll wait for AM5 for upgrading I suppose!
*whisper in integrated graphisms*
@@gastaannoying1780 That's only half the issue unfortunately.
@NightBladeDK So 5950X?
*sad Pentium G4400 noises*
@@snozzly yeah ik, but at least it's not a 10980xe case (for those who don't know, refer to Linus tech tips first video about that cpu to understand). There's a minimum difference between the 2.
I bought the 5700G in December last year after watching this video. Back then a 3060 was like 800-1000€ where I live, and I just wasn't willing to pay such prices. The Vega 8 Graphics have been working great, paired with DDR4 slightly overclocked to 4000 Mhz / CL18 with Infinity Fabric at 2000 Mhz. It runs everything, even Cyberpunk.
Now prices have come down, I bought a 6800 for 570€ and I'm really glad I waited and didn't spend tons of money on a much weaker card.
5700G gpu performance is just..... not great. We need Van gogh now, lets hope van gogh in steam deck mean new APUs are coming soon.
Would the "Van Gogh" be far superior to the 5700g?
@@Zahid81 Yes in iGPU
I'm sincerely waiting on RDNA-based desktop APUs.
But CPU wise it's a beast. Basically i9-9900K or i7-10700K but half the TDP.
@James Smith 5600X at 280 is still bad considering that the i7-10700K was around 260 in amazon. Ryzen 7 5700G is still better and Ryzen 7 5800X is also a good choice too.
But at the end, a Tiger Lake i7-11800H should be way better than a 5600X considering the overall price for a system and GPU pricing and other nonsense
I would love to see a video showing us how powerful the APUs are compared to high end and mid range GPUs of yesteryear.
They're still dogslow
The APU is on par/slightly faster than a RX550
A hd7970 from 12+ years ago runs rings around this
Well you can overclock the 5700G and see if you can come close to the 5800x (maybe some memory tuning too)
That CS demo you used to show gameplay is so old, but that was the time when I was an avid watcher of it. The good times...
you missed it being a good remote work or school pc with the ability to casual game with an upgrade path if ever desired
It costs as much as some school PCs 😅
Watching this video from the future. I found the information I was looking for and will swap up my 3400G in my tiny HTPC. Awesome video (now that prices have come down).
Another point of view? Might be a great cpu for memory oc
This is a very interesting video for me and you've done a good job of studying and testing the various options. I am someone who would be in the market for the 5700G but I will have to study your results to see if there might a different combination that is better for me.
Can you test the memory overclocking? Seemingly those really high on the infinity fabric (2300MHz are seemingly possible). And could you test if this is worth it over the cash in some scenarios for example esports titles for really high framerates to reduce input lag.
yes he review the memory controler and the conclusion is that you gain 3-4 FPS with some expensive G Skill DDR4 4000-4000 Mhz CL16 in dual rank configuration, so even if people's push ridiculously high memory speed at 4400 Mhz you still gain only 3-4 FPS lol
Imagine who will be is so dumb to spending so much money on that expensive memory just to get 3 FPS more with 5700G lol?, but even if u gain 3 FPS with that memory you will still getting so much slower/ worse performance in games than with 6 core ryzen 5600x who is 80 $ less and beat the shit out from 5700g in games, as you can see Steve show here in graph review.
Now if you talking to pair that expensive G Skill DDR4 4000 with ryzen 5900x i guess it will be another story, but even then is not worth it just to gain some 5-6 FPS, cause you can take some so much cheaper Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 18 18 38 trc 84 at the half of amount of money you spend on g skill, and the overclocked crucial like i did to 3800 MHz CL 16 17 17 17 33 trc to 50 , then lower the TRFC from 991 to 541 and TFAW down from 38 to 12, DRAM voltage at 1.4 V, and so on and you will get some closer result to g skill;)
@@faithful2008 That is bullshit, in most cpu limited scenarios the difference is huge (up to 25%). If you want to test gpus, you try to elimante all the "bottle necks" or variations in the system. So yes you should run the strongest cpu and ram that you can.
Thanks for the insight. Looks like I'll be keeping my 3400G till zen 4 comes around. Maybe they'll include 4 channel memory support for increased bandwidth
Not cheap enough to be appealing as APUs and too expensive to be non-X CPU parts.
4750G costs $679AUD last time I checked yeah its crap price.
And also they don't support pcie 4.0!!!.. :/
@@animon47dr35 forgot about that one. AMD needs to do better in the APU department! at least on the CPU side of them.
I'm in no hurry, but I'll need a new 'daily driver,' as this system is getting fairly old already. This helps. So happy to be on Patreon so you guys can buy these!
5:21-wasn't the Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G their previous best desktop APU??
No as it wasn't a retail CPU, OEM only and therefore we ignore it.
@@Hardwareunboxed makes sense; even if it was available for 5600X money on Amazon or other sites or the 4650G for around 3600 money.
So even if it wasn't strictly speaking a retail CPU, one could still get their hands on one (depending on region ofc)
The 5700G is interesting in regards of energy efficiency for a PC that idles a lot.
And it should make cooling much cheaper.
I can well imagine it in a silent office pc for art streaming or cad modelling.
Also the 16 pcie lanes for a graphics card make it superior to a lot of the ryzen lineupe with graphics, that only has 8 pcie lanes for a gpu.
that includes the mentioned 3400G with 8 pcie lanes for the gpus.
From a gaming standpoint, the balance between cpu power anf gpu power is well suited for cpu heavy and gpu light games like minecraft java edition.
The memory controller being made in 7nm process, also promises greater memory overclocking potential.
While the lack of ecc support rules it out for serious workstation use.
Thanks (Aussie) Steve!
I'm holding out for the APUs running RDNA and DDR5. I think 1080p/60 gaming will be possible then with higher end games.
That is, of cause, until the triple A titles of the same time comes out. People was hoping the same for DDR4 and DDR3. Take a look at the memory bandwidth of even a modest GPU (say GeForce 960) and compare that to DDR5 5400.... it's depressing....
@@andersjjensen Yeah, no doubt games will continue to become more demanding. It's a game of cat and mouse that the APUs will never win.
if only they paired the 5600G and 5700G with RDNA2 iGPU (like the one that's in the Steam Deck so RDNA2 in an APU is possible)
I think they are waiting for rdna to mature, next gen of APUs should have at least an rdna 2 CUs maybe rdna 3(unlikely).
The main problem is RAM. DDR4 is too slow for graphics and they already had several iterations of Vega in APUs. It was easier to do this, instead of making RDNA2 APU that would be bottlenecked by DDR4 even more than Vega.
think main reason they didnt, is so they arent directly competing with the new consoles
ps5 is a zen2 apu with rdna2, so a zen3 apu with rdna2 would be better than ps5, other than the fact its got gddr6 too, amd recently have been putting out the chip, but with the igpu disabled, including gddr6 integration, amd have the tech, just cant give it to us, blame sony
Great work! Thanks for this content. I’m going to look out for one of these when they are easily available. 🤘
Meanwhile we can get those in retail in Russia. Our supplier sells them freely
Where can I buy one? Could you share a link pls?
@@aastapp it's a b2b store, you'll have to be a business for them to work with you
@@Erenzilable I see, thanks
I wish for these tests, that someone would use PBO to increase the power limits. I have a feeling that most of the performance differences are due to the significantly lower power target. Basically more components than a 5800x, but a significantly lower power target.
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Just ordered the 5700G for just USD$290 after discount with free shipping! Such a good deal for Black Friday!!!
Steve, the CPU would be useful for someone who doesn't have enough money yet for a GPU but wants a system desperately.
How about a 3600 or 11400F for about 200$ + used rx 550 4gb or new 1030 DDR5 for less or same price and later swap the gpu? You won't lose much on the cpu side either
@@Ario2547 good point, but I think that the 5600g is better than the 3600 in performance.
@@Batyalas not by much about 6%
@@Ario2547 I'm not gonna argue since both options are good
It should be noted that with 65W TDP it has less power for clocks than the 5800X that has a higher TDP. It's not only the L3 cache difference.
I also don't think there are any driver bugs, GCN has very mature drivers.
It's impressive that integrated Vega is often faster than the discrete RX 550 that only uses GCN 4 but has a lot more memory bandwidth.
why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch over steve calling 30 fps unplayable, he literally said that's his opinion, if you find it playable then more power to ya
Here's a missed angle: For a low noise cool running DAW the 5700G is perfect - even in 2022 there's nothing as elegant as it for these kinds of things.
I agree, it's overpriced, yet still worth it depending on where you live.
How it's overpriced?
CPU wise it's basically i9-9900K.
Ryzen 5 5600X is a terrible CPU for the price, it has this APU and the i7-10700K.
plays pulsefire shen, doesn't see the value
Would you consider adding a benefit for members where they can request certain games to be benchmarked? A lot of the time when people get new hardware they like to revisit old favorites to see how well they run now and thatd be cool to see the improvement on older popular titles as well
That's actually a great insight into what the Steam Deck will allow, of course at ~50% pixel counts than 1080p, and likely hitting 60fps more often w/ more capable iGPU and less constrained memory.
fingers crossed all the games shown here can do >800p at 60fps with medium settings.
Steam Deck is actually RDNA2, so it should be faster lol. This is a disgrace, especially at that price.
@@tusux2949 which one, the 5700G ? It's expensive and not as powerful as a 5600X.
@@DNAReader Yup the 5700G and potentially the 5600G as well. Have to wait to see how that turns out but I am sceptical about it.
I really may be getting this to upgrade my 2700X, even without the recommendation. It fits right in the performance envelope that I expected it to be. And I want to have a backup during the semester in case my GPU dies. I'm paying for the piece of mind, really.
I think this APU looks like a winner. Not for gaming though, but for productivity stuff.
Basically you get an 8-core that beats the 3700X, with integrated graphics that handily beats Intel's iGPU.
I'll be looking into making a quiet ITX build with this, for a general office machine with no discrete GPU. Can't wait! :)
Man I can't wait to see how well the Steamdeck's APU handles PC games. If it's incredibly good, RDNA APUs and DDR5 might be a gamechanger
Bro it will be nice if u put the cpu utilisation along with the fps in the charts
The review I was looking for. The best reviewers imo. Good job as always
I'm more amazed that the RX 5500 XT 4GB was destroying the GTX 1060 6GB in everything. 😮
This is helpful for people running servers who pass their primary GPU's through to a VM.
I have long been running a 3700x headless as (no GPU at all) in my server, waiting for a GPU to come buy for TV gaming on my TV, however it would be a lot easier to pass through the primary GPU when there is already onboard graphics.
Personally I prefer a lower TDP part compared to something in the intel range with this many cores.
this makes me hopefull for the steam deck it should perform the same or not that diffrent since this one has higher power but is Vega vs RDNA2
You are absolutely wrong mate. Steam deck won't even perform 60% of this APU.
The steam deck has even faster ddr5 memory and RDNA 2 cores instead of GCN
@NightBladeDK yea but you have to account that is has only a 720p screen so only less then 1/8 of the pixel of a 4k screen need to rendered.
in other words a Steam Deck running at 720p should get about the same FPS like a RX 6800 running the same game at 4k
@NightBladeDK I guess Valve wanted more than 20 minutes of battery life, and not add another $100 to the price (additional 12 CUs + ~32MB of cache to feed those).
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There is no way the $US in there wasn't intentional
So basically a 3700X with an integrared RX 550.
Good enough for a Windows KVM Setup to only need a single discrete GPU ; )
no, is not 3700X, is closer to 5700X.
AMD APU's FTW
these apus will get a new life when fsr 2.0 hits the market:)
Let's hope.
Render game in 240p and upscale it to FHD? I w want to see how it works :D
@@Mike79745 Me too. Wonder if 720p native or 720p upscaled with fsr to 1080p looks better?
@@Mike79745 u never know, fsr may be really good in the future. its half decent now:) pz
And then AMD will limit it to RDNA2+ only to make you buy the brand new 6700G. Don't buy anything that is not worth its price at the moment of purchase, hoping it would get better. It won't.
I would like to see an clock to clok cpu preformance comparasion and an iGpu oc test, i think u can hit 2.2ghz on thise vega cores and it gives a sizable bump and maby it will push some games above playable range
1:27 Damn, ngl this pricing looking kinda $us😳
As someone who works in an office on a desktop from 6 years ago, this would be a godsend in office systems. Get the 5600X and cheap cpu for home comp.
memory scaling, I feel the need to know
Pretty sure FCLK is gonna be 2000+ with these APUs. He needs to get some 4000mhz+ ram in!
@@lifeinthaboot if it's anything like the 4750g memory speed support is going to be pretty high
FSR in high Qualty mode could add some FPS , and yes , i know , FSR is not really good with FHD . Maybe playing with mid Settings under FSR in FHD could remove some of the downsides . An comparison of real 720p to FSR FHD would be more interresting than pairing the APU with an 3080 TI or 6800XT at least in my eyes .
it worse 720p scale to 1080p. Resulting image looks blurry and loses details.
for better results, it needs to set resolution not too far from 1080p (FHD)
It's perfectly playable for console peasants
@Transistor Jump on like 5 games lol
@Transistor Jump @30 fps
I've bought a 3400g back in 2020 and earlier this year I've managed to snatch a RTX 3070 so I'm just waiting for the 5600g to drop so I can optimize my setup for 1440p gaming. As I see, there's just no reason to pay a single dollar more for a cpu under this specific circumstances of mine since the difference would be negligible, if any, at that resolution using that graphics card.
It's a beast for emulation
I have a 3700x and an RX 470(4GB) with 3200mhz memory. I got the 3700x & rx 470 used for $280usd. They're on a B450 mobo as I have no need for pcie 4. I'm pretty happy but will upgrade the gpu when it's sane to do so. I had such high hopes for the 5000 series apus but, I think I'll just stick with my current AM4 rig until AM5 has launched and the inevitable 'new platform' bugs are ... less buggy.
Again AMD messed up pricing, only this time it's not even better than the cheaper Intel alternative. Shame.
30 fps is absolutely playable performance! I played at 30-35 FPS for around four years until I was able to upgrade my laptop to something more powerful and modern. Work with what you've got, but hitting these frames with the same Vega iGPU effectively, just optimized and maxed out as is, is quite impressive to say the least.
I laughed everytime he said 30 fps wasn't playable as if consoles haven't been playing games at 30 fps for years.
you lost me at "...but rather Vega, with 8 cu..."
Here in the Nordics, it's been hard to get a hold of a reasonably priced pre-built with a 5_00X CPU. And you need to buy a pre-built to land a GPU without being ripped off. However, 5_00G pre-builts are now here and affordable: Got my dad a HP Pavilion 5600G, RTX 3060 12 GB, 16 GB 3200 MHz, 256 GB NVMe build for about 1000 €. At least at the time, the GPU alone was going for more than half that price, and the cheapest builds with 5600X or better were 1500+ € gaming monsters beyond my dad's needs.
If your market situation is similar, it's easy to recommend a good 5_00G prebuilt for anyone looking for a mid-tier all-arounder PC.
Vega chip for the graphics... AMD pulled an Intel! 🤣🤣🤣
You keep educating us, Harvard Unboxed
IMO the most interesting thing about these is that the infinity fabric can be overclocked to well above 2 Ghz (more like 2.3-2.4), making RAM OC excellent. So basically an overclocker's CPU.
Another unexpected Sunday upload, nice.
I must say that, for an OEM device, that HP system looks pretty decent from the inside.
A lot of replaceable components and expansion options.
I'd recommend business grade OEMs, not consumer grade. Down the line if you want to upgrade or fix it, fingers crossed. Also MB and other components support is significantly longer (at a minimum of 3yrs due to warranty). You just don't have that in consumer throw aways. You can get decent HP Z2xx or Z4xx series for a bargain. Plus a lot of businesses that closed or those who upgraded because of the pandemic have already flipped or returned their OEMs. Just don't think that it's worth the +1000$us that he spent on this consumer OEM.
i would pretty much always recommend a dedicated GPU. except for my situation where a 1050 Ti would cost extra $200 for outperforming the 5600G, or the 1030 would cost $100 extra for about the same performance. Also the 5600G is roughly $30 cheaper here then the 5600X, and i saved $20 on a daily deal. So for me its a decent CPU with a free graphics unit. and if prices may drop in the future i can just add a dedicated GPU.
Would love someday to make relative small PC with that kind of CPU.
Thankyou mate your informative video help me to choose the right cpu.
Great job mate