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Benching 400 pounds........You mean your going to the UK and were at the Bureau De Change and fell over while leaving with £400 in cash....hahahahahaha
Ettore Bugatti If the mustache is gone i will not be able to recognize your videos anymore! Stop trolling us again. Steve has an accident and hurts his back while benching 400 pounds. Hardware Unboxed starts raising founds for mental health . Hmm
Good job Tim. I’ll have to be careful with the bench press in future :D In all seriousness I actually hurt my back while building a new deck, it wasn’t any one thing though, just days of being hunched over on the deck took its toll and I should have just stopped and rested up. I have a bad back from my sporting days (muscle stress) which I normally manage well but pushed too hard for too long this time in an effort to make the most of a good weather window. Anyway, the good news is I have found an amazing physio who has worked wonders for my back, hips and neck (basically my entire body was out of whack and past therapy wasn’t as good). Feeling much better now and will be back making videos later this week. And yes I will take it easy for a bit :D Thanks guys.
Also people shouldn't forget about the tremendous backlog of steam games that this chip is totally capable of. I've been using covid to catch up on lots of old school games.
True not all of us want to play only recent titles. Many of these reviewers cannot seem to understand that. Hooking this up to a 720p tv gives it even more longevity.
@Hanseul Choi Depends where you live. Where I live most tv's are 720p there are 1080 also available and even 4k but they are very expensive. It's necessary to think globally when discussing this matter.Hardware is cheap in the US but not in other places.
It's a little disappointing that we're still throwing AAA game after AAA game at the integrated graphics of APUs. That you need a discrete GPU to play demanding games is hardly a revelation at this point, and it's pretty well known that those aren't the games most people interested in these things plan on playing with them. It would be much more interesting to see what you CAN do with them than what you can't. It might've also been worth noting that, for the niche of gamers that are APU and Low Spec Gaming enthusiasts, these APUs mark a significant milestone in the development of the technology. For the first time the saying "any discrete GPU is better", which had been true forever, no longer necessarily holds up. APUs can go toe to toe with cards like the GT 1030, RX 550, and their even crappier predecessors, changing the value proposition for pairing them with a low end CPU, particularly for those with a strong aversion to buying second hand. Apart from those gripes, however, this was a great review as always. Thank you!
I got lucky I bought my GPU before prices jumped during COVID, but honestly using an APU like this would have been a good option. I would get a 1440p screen so text during day to day usage wouldn't look blurry, and I could game higher demanding games at 720p which is half of 1440p so it wouldn't look as blurry as expected.
Considering it goes toe to toe with GT 1030, one could summize that it's worth comparing it to the budget king, GTX 750ti. In such regard, it could almost be on par with pricing for the full builds and it's far more modern and future proof. I mean... how much would a 5600g build cost vs an i5-2xxx/4xxx + GTX750ti? And what is the performance difference? And what is the future potential?
I upgraded my 3200g I sold the 3200g to a client that needed a new PC for their business, and the 3200g was overpowered for what they wanted to even use it for. I took my gpu out, and built a 5600g. I guarantee there will be someone else that will want me to build them a PC for their business and ill probably sell that, remove the gpu and rinse and repeat. The integrated gpu has SAVED me. The integrated gpu of the 3200g allowed me to resell my budget gaming pc to business / office users where as if I got a cpu without integrated, I would of definitely had to find a cheap gpu to put in. I'm glad the G series cpus exist and I hope they never stop making great integrated. This solid integrated also saved me during the gpu crisis, and seems to be very resellable as retired gaming pcs to office / productivity users. I used to wait years to sell one of my pcs and It would be a glorified office spec pc by the time I was done with it as only gamers would buy them, but now the market has really opened up resale value to regular non gamers as once were done or if we see a chance at upgrading we dont have to donate our gpu with it. I most certainly was not going to put an old glitchy gtx 560 inside it haha. Man AMD needs to keep coming with these.
Thanks for the review! Please consider running gaming benchmarks at 720p when reviewing iGPU, laptops, and similar low power components. Many of the frame rates were hovering around the mid 20's, which is tantalizingly close to 30. Lowering the resolution could allow playable framerates for budget gamers. I'd much rather play a game at 720 than not play at all.
Basically most igpu really ran at 900p for the high powered igpu models like this, while everything else is usually 720p or lower for good framerates. Igpu gaming carries lower expectations and usually resolution is the first thing to go.
Yes I have seen that there are a lot of used 1600x900 LCD screens out there, that would be an interesting test as well and you're not too far away from 1080p to begin with.
It seems to be a common Australian trait. I follow 4 Aussie channels in total, 3 car related and 1 computer related, because they're all really good at pacing, clear pronunciation and creating compelling narratives. Australian English is also easy for me to understand. It's "not too British and not too American".
@@andersjjensen if you guys are referring to hardware unboxed in particular (i don't know what other channels you're talking about), the way they speak in their videos is a very common presenter style. somewhere between normal speech and the news voice here. i don't think it's too different from other professional review channels or essay video channels on youtube tho, including non-australian ones. the accent is pretty normal too
"he injured himself while benching 400pounds" Never heard o that game, we told Steve all those benchmarking sessions were dangerous and will take a toll on his dad bod
I've always been an APU fan. My 1st one was the A10-7850. I built a pair of 3400G's (one for my mum, other for a friend) and they were PERFECT for that person wanting an everyday browsing PC with the ability to play Facebook games without any grief. The 5600G/5700G will follow those same lines, so don't expect to be running 240fps on a AAA title, but Bejeweled Blitz runs a dream. 😁👍
@@twistednemo just for few years before VRAM chips based on DDR5 will replace GDDR6 on graphics cards. And for what gain? Now it's only on par with RX550 which is the Polaris entry level card already weaker than the previous R7 260x and way more weak than a RX460. Actually it's only barely interesting because the market is abnormally high priced. And it highly depends on the local state of the used market.
Steve got hurt when he tried to lift 5600g performance to our expectations 🤣 but I will be buying it anyway as a stopgap to this GPU mayhem 🤣 Get well Steve !!!
Have fun! I had to do similar with a 3400G last autumn, in reality I found it more capable than I expected. You just have no hope with the gfx intensive games featured in benchmarks. Adding a GPU it runs pretty well, am holding off in finishing the system with a 5600X
Hey Steve, _DeWalt Sucks, Ryobi Rules!_ .. .. .. Cheers from Alaska, get well soon. (if I didn't kick ya while ur down, you might think I don't like ya) Tim, awesome what you're doing with the gofundme. The stigma still being associated with mental health problems needs to change. As someone who has a few _problems_ of my own, I really respect your choice for this fundraiser. Thank you.
it depends on pricing on your region. for me buying 5600G will be much cheaper than an intel CPU + old GPU. because intel CPUs costs more here, and used GPU market is a joke since people are selling old GPUs near their launch MSRP even in normal time
@@katech6020 I mean yeah if you don't have any old hardware sure it is a nice deal but how many people don't have any gpu whatsoever? From what I can tell most people do already have old gpus whether they are just couple of years old or couple of generations old. I think if these apus provided about the same performance to their x versions while costing just a bit more or AMD released regular 5600/5700 with similar performances to these apus while costing a little less might have been a better idea.
I'm building my first ever pc so i dont have any old gpus lying around and even the second hand GPUs are over the msrp. So for me the 5700G makes a lot of sense as a stop gap. Im planning to buy it on the release date i cant wait to start building!
@@burakkose481 plenty of people don't have any gpu, or its old af (worse than the apu) or maybe its defect. Also point of apu is that it does not need external power, can fit in super tiny case, and is silent without extra cost
The fact that it can perform similarly to any kind of discrete graphics card is amazing to me, the RX 550 is a whole addon component while the iGPU is literally a PORTION of a CPU. Its exciting to imagine what iGPUs will be like in the future. Also, when you take into account that the iGPU here performs as well as flagship GPUs from about 15 years ago, it really puts into prospective how much graphics hardware technology has progressed, theyve managed to fit all that into a CPU package. Maybe 15 years from now, iGPUs will perform similarly to an RTX 3090.
When I finished warcraft 3 back in the day my Pentium 3 integrated graphics was good for about 6fps. I frequently had to play games bellow 20fpa during my gaming days because I could never afford anything better. 30fps is stupendous
i5 10400f+GTX 1060 3GB (used ) is for $336 where I live 5600G with Vega Graphics (New) is for $292 where I live That used GPU comes with no warranty. The difference is $44 with the potential of GPU dying. That Fps looks great but there is a risk attached to it. Good review. Also, the likelihood of CPU prices decrease is far more so the difference will go from $44 to $90+ in a matter of months.
this is the CPU I went with. Got it on sale for $221.00 in Dec. '21 really glad I went with the hex-core version, future proofed my system.... for now....
Using those dewalt tools from his shed.. LOL On a serious note, you are the 1st honest reviewer that does not automatically jump onto the Min 60FPS rate. With 40-45 av FPS is where you can enjoy most of the games out there esp in the single-player mode. Well done on being honest on that part where most others jump onto 60 FPS bandwagon. On the GPU side, please bear in mind that the 1060 3Gb is still quite an exe card on the 2nd hand market. With sellers looking at approx 200-250 AUD (150+ USD).
Poor Steve, I hope he gets better soon! Awesome review done by both of you! :) One thing that could be worth looking into is iGPU performance in Linux. On my laptop I generally get better performance during memory bandwidth constrained scenarios in Linux since Proton and DXVK (DirectX translation layer to Vulkan) doesn't need the CPU to prepare draw calls for the GPU in the same manner as OpenGL and DX9-DX11. However, this is on a 15W TDP Ryzen 2500U.... generally Windows performance is better in 1080p. But during weird non-CPU and -GPU bottlenecks (like in 720p) I can actually easily reach 60+fps when windows really can't reach 60fps no matter how low the resolution is.
i bought the R5 5600g brand new for 150 USD here in the Philippines january of 2023, and a second hand 3060ti (mined) for 220 USD, and i think for that price this cpu is REAAALLY good.
@@Supcharged What, he has a boyfriend instead? Since when is not having a wife and kids automatically an indicator for someone being gay, lol? Not saying Tim isn't gay. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Just saying, just because a guy isn't married doesn't mean he is gay.
@@Supcharged You'll have to ask Tim directly then. As far as I remember he never came out as gay or anything. Tho I have to admit, with this Freddy Mercury mustache he does look gay indeed.
Such an old igpu architecture but still competes/beats the competition. Can't wait to see how rdna 1/2 in apu with ddr5 does. Consoles are somewhat of a example and even more so will be the steam deck. Also has quad channel with ddr5 so how much that memory speed benefits apu will be neat in testing. So excited.
The consoles are not an example, as they use GDDR for system memory, instead of using DDR for graphics memory :P Also: I hate to say this, but factoring in the cost of a 4 stick memory kit (and the need for the consumer desktop platform to be quad channel in general - which is currently reserved for Threadripper) makes for the same old sad story that has always surrounded APUs: It's just not worth it. The extra expense of the base platform + the price tag of a memory kit that can kick some ass = more expensive than an entry level dGPU which is going to be faster anyway. Until AMD decides to put an HBM stack on the APU package it will never be what people dream of. The latency and lack of bandwidth from DDR makes it a non starter. I've seen this "dream" pop up prior to every DDR generation change. But since sub-$300 GPUs seems to be a thing of the past and AMD seems to be pushing hard in die stacking then maybe, just maybe, they'll find a way to get 8GB HBM, 16-20CUs and 4-6 cores into a 200W package at $400
@@andersjjensen Try reading next time. I said somewhat of an example because they had many many similarities, more than any other chip. Don't be a tool.
They probably didn't expect it to be a full $100 cheaper... HUB is very value oriented, so if the value proposition changes things may pique their interest.
I agree that's why I also watch randomgaminghd as he stresses older hardware with newer games and even in 720p gets really good performance...I grew up in the era of atari and so on so when I hear someone say it's almost unplayable at 25 to 30fps it makes me think how privileged the younger generation is.
@matej nemec wth are you even referring to? He is saying the word "privileged" with reference to how much technology has improved and how no one plays at 30fps in 2021 no matter who you are. So, to recap, kids in 2021 are so privileged to play all games at higher framerates because the state of technology supports it. Only your sorry self took in offensively. GD immature troll.
@@michaelwood9866 important to remember the display technology for most people is a crappy LCD that's still worse for gaming than crt your atari programmers were crazy skilled.
To the op, I think its a product focusing on small die space. If you can squeeze 1080p out of it or if you're limited to 720p just depends on the game you play and personal preference. I personally would play most games I play at 1080p45 vs 720p80 any day. My $0.02
Get well Steve! I've blown my back out several times so far, and I understand what you're going through. For people who haven't, imagine what it feels like to hit your funny bone, now imagine what that'd feel like in your back, 24/7 anytime you breath wrong. You learn to appreciate just being able to wipe your bum, without excruciating pain.
Overall a good test. It would have been nice to see the idle consumption though, as that is the state my PC spends most time in. I'm also curious how it works with a AMD GPU, as it comes with 16pcie lanes. But my main interest is the performance as apu. So the test did show that well.
Hope Steve feels better soon! I also have a bad back. I am also getting older and creakier. Thanks for THIS review! Some light gaming on my 'daily driver' .. ? Prices look good on the 5600G!
The one thing I would say as a computer builder down in Florida is that I would use this APU as a stopgap and build an amazing rig around it. My customer would have the option of adding a GPU later and get ryzen 5 3600 performance with his new GPU combination and then later on upgrade to a true 5000 series to get the rest of his performance. Then resell this APU and still get the majority of his money back on it. That's something that I have not seen really mentioned in the majority of reviews I've watched. I agree that the 5700 g is not necessarily a great bang for the buck. I'm trying to see how that Apu would fit with my customer base. But the 5600 g definitely would work and I would love to test it with higher end memory such as that Patriot kit that's supposedly runs at 4400 MHz and see if that would improve a few performance as well as be a great kit for a normal 5600x or better CPU. That is a consideration that has not been looked at is if you're building a system as a stopgap why not get the best memory you could get? It's going to benefit your later generation CPUs anyways. Any thoughts?
I built two file servers with 5600G chips. at around $130 a piece during the Christmas sales, it was the better bang for the buck when compared to the 5700G for around $180. The IGP saved one PCI-E slot, allowing slot #1 to hold a RAID controller and slot #2 for the 10Gbe card, each at 8x.
I would also point out that this is basically a 3600 with a G attached to it in performance. If you are NOT wanting to build a intel i5/GT x 1060 3gb build because you want an AMD upgrade path thus still makes a lot of sense. Really impressed with this 5600g...:)
@@jakethadley Don't have a > 1080 display huh? With all the tech that Steam is building it might be worth squeezing a little space from your hard disk and giving PopOS or FerrenOS a go. Hell, try Manjaro if your brave enough. Steam works brilliantly on Linux and most option support 720p WAY better then windows.
@Eric will be more every week, since its open source. Already multiple old games have gotten support unofficially from modders. Anyways besides the point, its good without fsr too for most games.
@Eric well with "good" I ment 'ok' but I also forgot that it uses vega 7 and not vega 8 or 11. I mean I thought it's igpu was better than for example 3400g. Anyways, hopefully 6000 series apus will be plenty better, with rdna2 igpu
I'm currently looking to upgrade an old system with an i7-4790 and saw a nice 5600G on the used market. Thank you for the video, I wasn't sure how this would perform, now I know it's a good upgrade! Should give me a nice upgrade path too with higher end AM4 chips down the line.
@@Dr.WhetFarts yep in that case the more simple Intel iGPUs are enough. Even a 10yo entry level gfx card could do the job. So the CPU perf reduction compared to the 5600xt isn't worthy.
I built a system around this apu and it is really performing well in both games and work apps. Of course with newer games you can't expect to play it highly but I can play world war z 1080p med settings w/ 75 fps lock and nba 2k22 med-high settings at 60 fps lock. You can get it now for a very low price. It is also power efficient.
I hope Steve gets better soon, I suffered a back accident in an RTA & it will always hurt, also good luck with the fund raising I lost my Nan to dementia & my Great Aunt had Depression its a worthwhile cause mental illness is either stigmatised or not taken as seriously and treated as say losing/lacking a limb.
Donated 10$ AUD, can't wait to see Mustache Tim go back to regular Tim. In all seriousness, I love to support a good cause when there is a good extra incentive, on top of the donations I do every month.
Just want to say that here I am, 10 months later using my 5600G to run games like GTA V on medium (50-60 FPS), Batman Arkham City on midium High at 40-66 FPS) NFS at 30fps on medium (with a little bit of turning down the settings) life is strange at higher on 50-60 FPS and so on, my whole setup is about U$600, só for me is well worth, especially living in Brazil where everything is 60% higher priced. In fact, I'd never thought to be able to afford this setup last year, but here am I :)
if you already have a gpu, then you should just grab a ryzen 5 5600x since your gtx 1070 will beat out anything the 5600g can offer. If you didnt have a gpu though, then I would say the 5600g is a great option while you wait for the prices to drop.
@@runterranger7398 Hm, hearing this advice, I think I will just hold onto my 1700 & 1070 for a longer time, till the chip shortages are sorted out. Or hope cryptos will burst.
Hoping Steve recovers back soon! These 3D-VCache could potentially help the next-gen APUs. Something like 2-4GB HBM VRAM stacked on the CPU for RX570 performance would be amazing.
I think i am going to go for the 5600G for my proxmox machine (currently 2600X), I will be able to remove the GT 1030, which frees up another valuable cpu routed PCIE slot for an extra AHCI card (need to use these as onboard dont have own IOMMU group). Also I dont run in XFR mode for the efficiency, and this high 3.9ghz base clock will work well for me as well.
Great review and very good performance on stage of Moustache Tim! Joking aside great work as usually, you guys rock! Would love to know if the OC iGPU to 2500MHz was done with the boxed cooler!!!! Thanks
Im so looking forward to seeing a rdna 2 apu with on package hbm It would be amazing to have a system with just one heat source. Just put a good AIO on it and off you go. Compact silent system
Great tests, but ram frequency is not shown. Ryzen APUs can give a significabtly different output between e.g. 3000mhz ram vs 4400mhz. Also, having data for an oc 5600g means it’s fair to overclock the 5700g too.
I think the G chips are better because of the graphics. You can still get video out if your GPU fails for any reason. If you want to upgrade your GPU you can sell your current GPU then get a new GPU and use integrated while you wait ! Thanks for the video
Could someone explain to me why the 5600g is so much slower than the 5600x even though it only has a 200mhz drop in frequency or does the L3 cache matter that much?
Good review. Just bought one to run in my next passive cooled HTPC, in a Streacom FC10. It'll replace a i5 4250U so expect quite the boost in power :-D
Probably carrying steel beams, constructing work sheds, like a fucking man. For real, I was insanely impressed that he did all that. Best of luck man, take your time to heal up, and I wish you the best!!
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I'd donate if I could but unfortunately I can't, sorry guys
Off with the tash 😏 I bet when you lose that tash you will look 20 years younger Tim, you will be getting id checked to get a beer 🤣
Benching 400 pounds........You mean your going to the UK and were at the Bureau De Change and fell over while leaving with £400 in cash....hahahahahaha
Ettore Bugatti
If the mustache is gone i will not be able to recognize your videos anymore! Stop trolling us again.
Steve has an accident and hurts his back while benching 400 pounds. Hardware Unboxed starts raising founds for mental health . Hmm
Good job Tim. I’ll have to be careful with the bench press in future :D
In all seriousness I actually hurt my back while building a new deck, it wasn’t any one thing though, just days of being hunched over on the deck took its toll and I should have just stopped and rested up.
I have a bad back from my sporting days (muscle stress) which I normally manage well but pushed too hard for too long this time in an effort to make the most of a good weather window.
Anyway, the good news is I have found an amazing physio who has worked wonders for my back, hips and neck (basically my entire body was out of whack and past therapy wasn’t as good). Feeling much better now and will be back making videos later this week.
And yes I will take it easy for a bit :D Thanks guys.
Get well Steve!
Hope for good health to you steve :3
Get well soon old man. 😂
I wish you a speedy recovery :)
Rest well!
I haven't heard of this "400 pounds" software before but I'm glad Steve is benchmarking it. Very sorry to hear he injured himself doing so.
he was benchmarking so hard, injured himself lmao
Good one ：D
Steve injured himself by overclocking his refresh rate to 400hz.
He tried overclocking his back but he didn't have adequate power delivery
Sounds like a power delivery issue.
Ouch that really Hz...
@@yogalD yessssss, ty for that laugh.
The fact they are still able to get RX550 performance out of a vega based iGPU still blows my mind
Just imagine how good it would have been if it used rdna 2. Maybe 1050ti performance?
@@yanuehara8017 hopefully... APUs could really step up and fill a whole in the low end GPU market...
@@William-Morey-Baker yeah. I'm quite disappointed at amd for launching these apus without rdna 2. They would be the best ever apus for laptops
@@yanuehara8017 According to rumors AMD's next APUs will have RDNA graphics. See GN's most recent news video
@@Eidolon2003 watching rn. Thx for the info.
Also people shouldn't forget about the tremendous backlog of steam games that this chip is totally capable of. I've been using covid to catch up on lots of old school games.
True not all of us want to play only recent titles. Many of these reviewers cannot seem to understand that. Hooking this up to a 720p tv gives it even more longevity.
@Hanseul Choi Depends where you live. Where I live most tv's are 720p there are 1080 also available and even 4k but they are very expensive. It's necessary to think globally when discussing this matter.Hardware is cheap in the US but not in other places.
It's a little disappointing that we're still throwing AAA game after AAA game at the integrated graphics of APUs. That you need a discrete GPU to play demanding games is hardly a revelation at this point, and it's pretty well known that those aren't the games most people interested in these things plan on playing with them. It would be much more interesting to see what you CAN do with them than what you can't. It might've also been worth noting that, for the niche of gamers that are APU and Low Spec Gaming enthusiasts, these APUs mark a significant milestone in the development of the technology. For the first time the saying "any discrete GPU is better", which had been true forever, no longer necessarily holds up. APUs can go toe to toe with cards like the GT 1030, RX 550, and their even crappier predecessors, changing the value proposition for pairing them with a low end CPU, particularly for those with a strong aversion to buying second hand. Apart from those gripes, however, this was a great review as always. Thank you!
True. I'm so glad I didn't risk a GPU on this market since 3400g runs so well with esports titles and that's all I ever play anyway
Agreed
I got lucky I bought my GPU before prices jumped during COVID, but honestly using an APU like this would have been a good option. I would get a 1440p screen so text during day to day usage wouldn't look blurry, and I could game higher demanding games at 720p which is half of 1440p so it wouldn't look as blurry as expected.
Considering it goes toe to toe with GT 1030, one could summize that it's worth comparing it to the budget king, GTX 750ti.
In such regard, it could almost be on par with pricing for the full builds and it's far more modern and future proof.
I mean... how much would a 5600g build cost vs an i5-2xxx/4xxx + GTX750ti?
And what is the performance difference?
And what is the future potential?
I knew Steve would hurt himself with all them dewalt tools 🤔😢hope he gets better soon 👍
It's been hurting not being able to play with them for the past 4 days.
@@Hardwareunboxed bet his got a armed guard watching over his collection while he laid up 😏
@@Hardwareunboxed if you benched Hilti tools you wouldn't have hurt yourself. They are very safe 😜
Get well soon!
What I want to know is how many batteries he has for them.
Basically, Steve overclocked himself and overheat himself..
It's winter in the upside down Britain
I upgraded my 3200g I sold the 3200g to a client that needed a new PC for their business, and the 3200g was overpowered for what they wanted to even use it for. I took my gpu out, and built a 5600g. I guarantee there will be someone else that will want me to build them a PC for their business and ill probably sell that, remove the gpu and rinse and repeat. The integrated gpu has SAVED me. The integrated gpu of the 3200g allowed me to resell my budget gaming pc to business / office users where as if I got a cpu without integrated, I would of definitely had to find a cheap gpu to put in. I'm glad the G series cpus exist and I hope they never stop making great integrated. This solid integrated also saved me during the gpu crisis, and seems to be very resellable as retired gaming pcs to office / productivity users. I used to wait years to sell one of my pcs and It would be a glorified office spec pc by the time I was done with it as only gamers would buy them, but now the market has really opened up resale value to regular non gamers as once were done or if we see a chance at upgrading we dont have to donate our gpu with it. I most certainly was not going to put an old glitchy gtx 560 inside it haha. Man AMD needs to keep coming with these.
Thanks for your comment, it is helping me to decide. I think I'm going with the 5700G. :)
Aw man, poor Steve. Hope he gets better soon, but at least he has a professional like you to fill in for him 🙂
Thanks for the review! Please consider running gaming benchmarks at 720p when reviewing iGPU, laptops, and similar low power components. Many of the frame rates were hovering around the mid 20's, which is tantalizingly close to 30. Lowering the resolution could allow playable framerates for budget gamers. I'd much rather play a game at 720 than not play at all.
Basically most igpu really ran at 900p for the high powered igpu models like this, while everything else is usually 720p or lower for good framerates. Igpu gaming carries lower expectations and usually resolution is the first thing to go.
Yes I have seen that there are a lot of used 1600x900 LCD screens out there, that would be an interesting test as well and you're not too far away from 1080p to begin with.
@@lonholmberg8776 i have one, a 5:4 display. I also have a 165hz msi optic, but the 900+p screen is not bad
Both of you have a very unique and charming way of talking, investigating and storytelling. Keep up the good work!
It seems to be a common Australian trait. I follow 4 Aussie channels in total, 3 car related and 1 computer related, because they're all really good at pacing, clear pronunciation and creating compelling narratives. Australian English is also easy for me to understand. It's "not too British and not too American".
@@andersjjensen if you guys are referring to hardware unboxed in particular (i don't know what other channels you're talking about), the way they speak in their videos is a very common presenter style. somewhere between normal speech and the news voice here. i don't think it's too different from other professional review channels or essay video channels on youtube tho, including non-australian ones. the accent is pretty normal too
Some say that Tim would have done this fund raiser earlier but zoologists needed more time training the moustache to survive on it's own in the wild.
Wishing you a speedy recovery, Steve!
Thanks for the video!
Hoping for a speedy recovery for Steve. ☺
"he injured himself while benching 400pounds"
Never heard o that game, we told Steve all those benchmarking sessions were dangerous and will take a toll on his dad bod
The reality, Steve has been arrested for leaving his house to buy a steaks for a barbecue.
> Stakes
The next gen APUs are shaping up to be impressive, both in the Steam Deck and desktop/laptops.
If you use them properly they're a great technology.
Get well Soon, Steve!!
Speedy recovery, Steve.
Wishing a quick yet relaxing recovery, Steve. Not sure how healing works in the upside-down though............
I've always been an APU fan. My 1st one was the A10-7850. I built a pair of 3400G's (one for my mum, other for a friend) and they were PERFECT for that person wanting an everyday browsing PC with the ability to play Facebook games without any grief. The 5600G/5700G will follow those same lines, so don't expect to be running 240fps on a AAA title, but Bejeweled Blitz runs a dream. 😁👍
I haven't heard of bejewel in a long time cubics was also my thing
the moment APUs will hit the power of low end dGPUs (levels of GTX/RTX xx50 or RX x500) many people will not look into dGPUs at all
@Can't Remember Won't DDR5 system RAM help narrow the gap a little bit?
The 3400g pc I built for my mom even handled gtav on low when I went to stay with her for a bit a few weeks back.
@@twistednemo just for few years before VRAM chips based on DDR5 will replace GDDR6 on graphics cards.
And for what gain? Now it's only on par with RX550 which is the Polaris entry level card already weaker than the previous R7 260x and way more weak than a RX460.
Actually it's only barely interesting because the market is abnormally high priced. And it highly depends on the local state of the used market.
Omg, get well soon Steve. I literally sprained my back last week. Sharp shooting pain still wrecking me now, wouldn't wish it on anyone 😭
Steve got hurt when he tried to lift 5600g performance to our expectations 🤣 but I will be buying it anyway as a stopgap to this GPU mayhem 🤣
Get well Steve !!!
Have fun! I had to do similar with a 3400G last autumn, in reality I found it more capable than I expected.
You just have no hope with the gfx intensive games featured in benchmarks.
Adding a GPU it runs pretty well, am holding off in finishing the system with a 5600X
Performance seems pretty good. Not everyone wants to use this as a gaming CPU.
Hey Steve, _DeWalt Sucks, Ryobi Rules!_ .. .. .. Cheers from Alaska, get well soon.
(if I didn't kick ya while ur down, you might think I don't like ya)
Tim, awesome what you're doing with the gofundme. The stigma still being associated with mental health problems needs to change. As someone who has a few _problems_ of my own, I really respect your choice for this fundraiser. Thank you.
Get well soon, Steve. We need your content. You did a great job here, Tim!
Outside of this gpu drought I really don't see any point for buying these. Maybe if they were a bit cheaper.
it depends on pricing on your region. for me buying 5600G will be much cheaper than an intel CPU + old GPU. because intel CPUs costs more here, and used GPU market is a joke since people are selling old GPUs near their launch MSRP even in normal time
@@katech6020 I mean yeah if you don't have any old hardware sure it is a nice deal but how many people don't have any gpu whatsoever? From what I can tell most people do already have old gpus whether they are just couple of years old or couple of generations old. I think if these apus provided about the same performance to their x versions while costing just a bit more or AMD released regular 5600/5700 with similar performances to these apus while costing a little less might have been a better idea.
I'm building my first ever pc so i dont have any old gpus lying around and even the second hand GPUs are over the msrp. So for me the 5700G makes a lot of sense as a stop gap. Im planning to buy it on the release date i cant wait to start building!
@@burakkose481 I never had a dGPU I only have a low end laptop currently (i5-6200U + Intel HD 520)
@@burakkose481 plenty of people don't have any gpu, or its old af (worse than the apu) or maybe its defect.
Also point of apu is that it does not need external power, can fit in super tiny case, and is silent without extra cost
Wish quick recovery. We love you Steve.
Wishing Steve a very speedy recovery. I know about back problems and it can be total agony. Get well soon! 😊
The fact that it can perform similarly to any kind of discrete graphics card is amazing to me, the RX 550 is a whole addon component while the iGPU is literally a PORTION of a CPU. Its exciting to imagine what iGPUs will be like in the future. Also, when you take into account that the iGPU here performs as well as flagship GPUs from about 15 years ago, it really puts into prospective how much graphics hardware technology has progressed, theyve managed to fit all that into a CPU package. Maybe 15 years from now, iGPUs will perform similarly to an RTX 3090.
When I finished warcraft 3 back in the day my Pentium 3 integrated graphics was good for about 6fps.
I frequently had to play games bellow 20fpa during my gaming days because I could never afford anything better.
30fps is stupendous
Tim throwing a little shade at monitor Steve there at the beginning.
i5 10400f+GTX 1060 3GB (used ) is for $336 where I live
5600G with Vega Graphics (New) is for $292 where I live
That used GPU comes with no warranty.
The difference is $44 with the potential of GPU dying.
That Fps looks great but there is a risk attached to it. Good review.
Also, the likelihood of CPU prices decrease is far more so the difference will go from $44 to $90+ in a matter of months.
Get well soon Steve!
this is the CPU I went with. Got it on sale for $221.00 in Dec. '21 really glad I went with the hex-core version, future proofed my system.... for now....
Using those dewalt tools from his shed.. LOL
On a serious note, you are the 1st honest reviewer that does not automatically jump onto the Min 60FPS rate. With 40-45 av FPS is where you can enjoy most of the games out there esp in the single-player mode. Well done on being honest on that part where most others jump onto 60 FPS bandwagon.
On the GPU side, please bear in mind that the 1060 3Gb is still quite an exe card on the 2nd hand market. With sellers looking at approx 200-250 AUD (150+ USD).
Poor Steve, I hope he gets better soon! Awesome review done by both of you! :) One thing that could be worth looking into is iGPU performance in Linux. On my laptop I generally get better performance during memory bandwidth constrained scenarios in Linux since Proton and DXVK (DirectX translation layer to Vulkan) doesn't need the CPU to prepare draw calls for the GPU in the same manner as OpenGL and DX9-DX11. However, this is on a 15W TDP Ryzen 2500U.... generally Windows performance is better in 1080p. But during weird non-CPU and -GPU bottlenecks (like in 720p) I can actually easily reach 60+fps when windows really can't reach 60fps no matter how low the resolution is.
i bought the R5 5600g brand new for 150 USD here in the Philippines january of 2023, and a second hand 3060ti (mined) for 220 USD, and i think for that price this cpu is REAAALLY good.
Tim and Steve, my favorite straight couple online :)
Is Tim straight? I heard of Steve having a wife and kids but not Tim
@@Supcharged What, he has a boyfriend instead? Since when is not having a wife and kids automatically an indicator for someone being gay, lol? Not saying Tim isn't gay. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Just saying, just because a guy isn't married doesn't mean he is gay.
@@Oozaru85 it doesn’t. That’s why I even asked.
@@Supcharged You'll have to ask Tim directly then. As far as I remember he never came out as gay or anything. Tho I have to admit, with this Freddy Mercury mustache he does look gay indeed.
@@Supcharged
He has a girlfriend. He mentioned it once.
Steve, love your reviews hope you are healthy, well and I wish you a fast recovery 🙏🙂
Great job stepping in Tim. Hoping for a fast recovery for Steve!
Such an old igpu architecture but still competes/beats the competition. Can't wait to see how rdna 1/2 in apu with ddr5 does. Consoles are somewhat of a example and even more so will be the steam deck. Also has quad channel with ddr5 so how much that memory speed benefits apu will be neat in testing. So excited.
The consoles are not an example, as they use GDDR for system memory, instead of using DDR for graphics memory :P
Also: I hate to say this, but factoring in the cost of a 4 stick memory kit (and the need for the consumer desktop platform to be quad channel in general - which is currently reserved for Threadripper) makes for the same old sad story that has always surrounded APUs: It's just not worth it. The extra expense of the base platform + the price tag of a memory kit that can kick some ass = more expensive than an entry level dGPU which is going to be faster anyway.
Until AMD decides to put an HBM stack on the APU package it will never be what people dream of. The latency and lack of bandwidth from DDR makes it a non starter.
I've seen this "dream" pop up prior to every DDR generation change. But since sub-$300 GPUs seems to be a thing of the past and AMD seems to be pushing hard in die stacking then maybe, just maybe, they'll find a way to get 8GB HBM, 16-20CUs and 4-6 cores into a 200W package at $400
@@andersjjensen Try reading next time. I said somewhat of an example because they had many many similarities, more than any other chip. Don't be a tool.
In the 5700G review they said they won't be doing 5600G.
Owh how the turn tables.
they found one in the trashbin.
They probably didn't expect it to be a full $100 cheaper... HUB is very value oriented, so if the value proposition changes things may pique their interest.
got the 5600g for 130CAD when amazon was doing some price adjustments, good deal
Great job Tim.
We still enjoy the blue bar graphs.
Wishing Steve a quick recovery.
Recover soon buddy. Steve is a beast.
Honestly, it's a mistake to insist on using 1080P on iGPU, it's a product focused on 720/900P
I agree that's why I also watch randomgaminghd as he stresses older hardware with newer games and even in 720p gets really good performance...I grew up in the era of atari and so on so when I hear someone say it's almost unplayable at 25 to 30fps it makes me think how privileged the younger generation is.
@@michaelwood9866 ok boomer
@matej nemec wth are you even referring to? He is saying the word "privileged" with reference to how much technology has improved and how no one plays at 30fps in 2021 no matter who you are. So, to recap, kids in 2021 are so privileged to play all games at higher framerates because the state of technology supports it. Only your sorry self took in offensively. GD immature troll.
@@michaelwood9866 important to remember the display technology for most people is a crappy LCD that's still worse for gaming than crt
your atari programmers were crazy skilled.
To the op, I think its a product focusing on small die space. If you can squeeze 1080p out of it or if you're limited to 720p just depends on the game you play and personal preference. I personally would play most games I play at 1080p45 vs 720p80 any day. My $0.02
Caught the 5600G on sale from Amazon for $239 USD. Going to install it in a Cooler Master NR200 build.
Get well Steve! I've blown my back out several times so far, and I understand what you're going through. For people who haven't, imagine what it feels like to hit your funny bone, now imagine what that'd feel like in your back, 24/7 anytime you breath wrong. You learn to appreciate just being able to wipe your bum, without excruciating pain.
Overall a good test.
It would have been nice to see the idle consumption though, as that is the state my PC spends most time in.
I'm also curious how it works with a AMD GPU, as it comes with 16pcie lanes.
But my main interest is the performance as apu. So the test did show that well.
Hope Steve feels better soon! I also have a bad back. I am also getting older and creakier. Thanks for THIS review! Some light gaming on my 'daily driver' .. ? Prices look good on the 5600G!
The one thing I would say as a computer builder down in Florida is that I would use this APU as a stopgap and build an amazing rig around it. My customer would have the option of adding a GPU later and get ryzen 5 3600 performance with his new GPU combination and then later on upgrade to a true 5000 series to get the rest of his performance. Then resell this APU and still get the majority of his money back on it. That's something that I have not seen really mentioned in the majority of reviews I've watched. I agree that the 5700 g is not necessarily a great bang for the buck. I'm trying to see how that Apu would fit with my customer base. But the 5600 g definitely would work and I would love to test it with higher end memory such as that Patriot kit that's supposedly runs at 4400 MHz and see if that would improve a few performance as well as be a great kit for a normal 5600x or better CPU. That is a consideration that has not been looked at is if you're building a system as a stopgap why not get the best memory you could get? It's going to benefit your later generation CPUs anyways. Any thoughts?
Great Stuff as always Tim!
I built two file servers with 5600G chips. at around $130 a piece during the Christmas sales, it was the better bang for the buck when compared to the 5700G for around $180. The IGP saved one PCI-E slot, allowing slot #1 to hold a RAID controller and slot #2 for the 10Gbe card, each at 8x.
Thanks Tim!
I would also point out that this is basically a 3600 with a G attached to it in performance. If you are NOT wanting to build a intel i5/GT x 1060 3gb build because you want an AMD upgrade path thus still makes a lot of sense. Really impressed with this 5600g...:)
So, I would think these APUs could be good at desktop apps at 1440p then gaming at 720p.
Would make a fantastic HTPC with a passive cooler - my TV isn't even 1080p, so I could play just about anything on it!
plenty games work fine on 1080p too. Especially with fsr :)
@@jakethadley Don't have a > 1080 display huh? With all the tech that Steam is building it might be worth squeezing a little space from your hard disk and giving PopOS or FerrenOS a go. Hell, try Manjaro if your brave enough. Steam works brilliantly on Linux and most option support 720p WAY better then windows.
@Eric will be more every week, since its open source. Already multiple old games have gotten support unofficially from modders. Anyways besides the point, its good without fsr too for most games.
@Eric well with "good" I ment 'ok' but I also forgot that it uses vega 7 and not vega 8 or 11. I mean I thought it's igpu was better than for example 3400g.
Anyways, hopefully 6000 series apus will be plenty better, with rdna2 igpu
I'm currently looking to upgrade an old system with an i7-4790 and saw a nice 5600G on the used market. Thank you for the video, I wasn't sure how this would perform, now I know it's a good upgrade! Should give me a nice upgrade path too with higher end AM4 chips down the line.
Nice work Tim, get well soon Steve
Productivity first. As a non-gamer, this is the kind of reviews I am interested in.
As a non-gamer even the cpu part is crap.
@@Dr.WhetFarts yep in that case the more simple Intel iGPUs are enough. Even a 10yo entry level gfx card could do the job. So the CPU perf reduction compared to the 5600xt isn't worthy.
I built a system around this apu and it is really performing well in both games and work apps. Of course with newer games you can't expect to play it highly but I can play world war z 1080p med settings w/ 75 fps lock and nba 2k22 med-high settings at 60 fps lock. You can get it now for a very low price. It is also power efficient.
I hope Steve gets better soon, I suffered a back accident in an RTA & it will always hurt, also good luck with the fund raising I lost my Nan to dementia & my Great Aunt had Depression its a worthwhile cause mental illness is either stigmatised or not taken as seriously and treated as say losing/lacking a limb.
Tim you did good, and I wish Steve a speedy recovery.
I swear these guys are robots. He read that script flawlessly. Good job
Really enjoyed your way of saying all this stuff (I guess?). Looking forward to the next benchmarking vid from Tim
It's sad to hear that Steve is injured. Wishing him a speedy recovery.
Good video Tim and Steve. Get well soon Steve
Feel better soon Steve! Thankfully Tim is here to fill in with the 'stache 😉
Donated 10$ AUD, can't wait to see Mustache Tim go back to regular Tim. In all seriousness, I love to support a good cause when there is a good extra incentive, on top of the donations I do every month.
Nice video. It's crazy times we are in right now.
0:39 cold and clean, tim, i love it hahahaa
Just want to say that here I am, 10 months later using my 5600G to run games like GTA V on medium (50-60 FPS), Batman Arkham City on midium High at 40-66 FPS) NFS at 30fps on medium (with a little bit of turning down the settings) life is strange at higher on 50-60 FPS and so on, my whole setup is about U$600, só for me is well worth, especially living in Brazil where everything is 60% higher priced.
In fact, I'd never thought to be able to afford this setup last year, but here am I :)
By the way, when I mean the whole setup, I mean everything, from the crappy mouse keyboard combo to monitor (an old smart TV) lol.
I have a Ryzen 7 1700+GTX 1070, I can upgrade to Ryzen 5 5600G, then later add a RTX 3060, or RX 6600XT, when prices come down.
Will that be alright?
if you already have a gpu, then you should just grab a ryzen 5 5600x since your gtx 1070 will beat out anything the 5600g can offer.
If you didnt have a gpu though, then I would say the 5600g is a great option while you wait for the prices to drop.
@@runterranger7398 Hm, hearing this advice, I think I will just hold onto my 1700 & 1070 for a longer time, till the chip shortages are sorted out. Or hope cryptos will burst.
Now I’m waiting for Steve’s monitor reviews. Hope you get well soon, Steve!
Get well soon there Steve.
Sorry to hear that, I guess the work on shed got to you, but get well soon Steve
Love your review. Upgraded to a 5600G since mid Sep and loving it. While not a beast of a GPU, it's good enough at mid quality 1080p for most games.
Hoping Steve recovers back soon!
These 3D-VCache could potentially help the next-gen APUs. Something like 2-4GB HBM VRAM stacked on the CPU for RX570 performance would be amazing.
Hi Tim great review as always but why does the Task Manager report that the CPU is a 5600H at the 5:44 timestamp?
Most likely because they usually show just an example of the software beeing benchmarked in that corner image, not the actual benchmark footage.
Phew! That's a great tache, glad it grew back so quickly
I think i am going to go for the 5600G for my proxmox machine (currently 2600X), I will be able to remove the GT 1030, which frees up another valuable cpu routed PCIE slot for an extra AHCI card (need to use these as onboard dont have own IOMMU group). Also I dont run in XFR mode for the efficiency, and this high 3.9ghz base clock will work well for me as well.
Great review and very good performance on stage of Moustache Tim!
Joking aside great work as usually, you guys rock!
Would love to know if the OC iGPU to 2500MHz was done with the boxed cooler!!!! Thanks
I think Steve has been watching too many Pinocchio videos! All the best wishes from Christchurch 😊 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Steve, hope you return as good as new very soon! The old dog still has life in him! 💪😀
Im so looking forward to seeing a rdna 2 apu with on package hbm
It would be amazing to have a system with just one heat source. Just put a good AIO on it and off you go. Compact silent system
Great tests, but ram frequency is not shown. Ryzen APUs can give a significabtly different output between e.g. 3000mhz ram vs 4400mhz. Also, having data for an oc 5600g means it’s fair to overclock the 5700g too.
Been running a 5600G with an RX6600 for a year, now. Great for a 1080p TV. 👍Yes I still use the IGPU, I am running 2 monitors.
get well and rest well steve
Thanks, Tim! Get well soon, Steve!
Thanks Tim, also hope for the Godspeed recovery for Steve.
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I think the G chips are better because of the graphics. You can still get video out if your GPU fails for any reason. If you want to upgrade your GPU you can sell your current GPU then get a new GPU and use integrated while you wait ! Thanks for the video
Nothing more frustrating than a system that lacks a redundant Video out, just to save a buck.
Thanks looking at the 5600G for my budget build. I do not plan on adding a separate video card.
Sorry to hear about Steve! Here's to a speedy recovery... he didn't happen to add a medical wing to his shed by any chance, did he?
Could someone explain to me why the 5600g is so much slower than the 5600x even though it only has a 200mhz drop in frequency or does the L3 cache matter that much?
l3 cache
Good review. Just bought one to run in my next passive cooled HTPC, in a Streacom FC10. It'll replace a i5 4250U so expect quite the boost in power :-D
Well done Tim 👍 Get well soon Steve!
Probably carrying steel beams, constructing work sheds, like a fucking man. For real, I was insanely impressed that he did all that. Best of luck man, take your time to heal up, and I wish you the best!!
Hope Steve feels better . He seems like a strong enough guy for the weight amount to be accurate ...