@@antoniop._1333 It's AWD and the way they made it is really interesting. The engine is still mounted transversely and it's a full time AWD like Quattro in Audi. The way they did it was kinda similar to Quattro in that there is a Torsen differential in the gearbox splitting power between front and rear wheels, with front diff being in the gearbox too and rear getting power through the shaft running inside the center tunnel where the exhaust is in FWD version. And bc it's a geared all time AWD, you can turn it into a RWD car relatively easily.
Interesting! Both Audi and Alfa's of these models have Torsen center differentials and open front- and rear differentials. Difference should be mostly in the way ESP is programmed.
If I understood this well, Alfa Q4 have physically open diffs but the Traction Control switches it from left to right, but not front to rear? I always believed it was done by hardware, so when Traction Control is switched off there is only 60 to 40 ratio and all other diffs are open?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks. It seems like the Audi setup is better when the conditions are not ideal, snow or mud, but Alfa always sends 60% of power to the back and transfer the torque from side to side while cornering which I suppose is better for sporty driving feel. Subjectively those two cars are very different, with Alfa handling and driving much better, no real contest in that regard.
@@BojanBojovic The only advantage of Audi is traction control which works not only side to side but also front to back. Front and rear diffs are open in both cars, Alfa is 60/40 rwd biased so no understeer like 50/50 Audi (which is also nose heavy).
The difference in operation between the 2 Audis is quite difficult to explain; different traction control settings, failure on one model? On the other hand, the Alfa, whose traction control is fully ESP dependent, is experiencing problems already seen on some Audi Quattro with Torsen, it seems to me, with a center differential that would need a little more "active" traction control to properly manage front-rear torque transfers.
@@bartomiejhunter Yes, but I don't think that is the problem. A Torsen requires traction control to help with the front to rear torque transfer. The transfer rate is not high enough with the Torsen found in consumer cars. Especially since the Torsen is not a differential that locks itself, even partially.
@@Softroader By the way - did you ever looked inside the Mitsubishi L200 Super Select transmission? I was wondering recently how's RWD mode working there, is it omitting the torsen differential or is it locking it with no connection to the front driveshaft...
Very interesting video, thank you! Nice different effective tests. Btw, did the cars get unstuck when applying a bit of hand brake/brakes? It would have been interesting to see (for example on the case of only rear axle wheels spinning).
Thank you! We tried using brakes a few times but it didn't help. Here are the videos: th-cam.com/video/AP98iNAbuVI/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Zafp2_IcgG0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/R10r396Laho/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers The system is the same but the electronics works better on the 156 (the crosswagon has also specific tyres and wheels to perform better offroad)
Generalnie nie potrafie tego wytlumaczyc co zaszlo na tym filmie podczas tego testu, ale skoro Alfa ma naped staly na 4 kola (nie dolaczany w zaden elektroniczny sposob) to jakim cudem auto nie zjechalo z rolek, gdy tylnia os byla na rolkach lub przednia os sama na rolkach ? Przeciez to ewidentnie pokazuje, ze to albo nie jest naped alfy q4 albo nie dziala poprawnie z powodu jakiegos problemu technicznego. Jezeli ten naped dzialalby poprawnie to alfa z napedem q4 bez problemow zadnych zjechalaby z rolek pod przednia osia lub rolek pod tylna osia.
Nie ma tu żadnej tajemnicy ani problemu technicznego. Alfa ma centralny mechanizm różnicowy torsen. Kontrola trakcji - jak wykazał test - działa tylko pomiędzy lewą a prawą stroną, nie ingeruje natomiast na poziomie przód/tył. Torsen bez wspomagania układem hamulcowym (kontrolą trakcji) nie jest w stanie wybrnąć z takiej sytuacji.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers z tym sie totalnie nie zgodze, ze w alfie dziala tylko kontrola trakcji prawo/lewo. Gdyby tak bylo to by zjechala z rolek majac sama tylna lub sama przednia os na rolkach. Ten sam naped jest w audi. Jakims cudem audi sobie poradzilo a alfa nie. Poza tym przelozenie napedu w alfie jest 60/40 wiec nadal nie mozliwe jest, ze kiedy byla przednia os lub tylna os na rolkach to alfa nie zjechala.
@@grzegorzgrzegorzewski4461 Przetestowaliśmy dwa egzemplarze 159, wynik identyczny. Kontrola trakcji działa prawo/lewo i jest skuteczna, jeśli na każdej z osi jedno koło ma przyczepność. Jeśli przyczepność ma tylko jedno koło na jednej osi - kontrola trakcji nie działa wystarczająco skutecznie żeby wyciągnąć auto z takiej sytuacji. W Audi kontrola trakcji działa także przód/tył i tylko dlatego daje radę, ale to nie reguła, starsze modele miały z tym także poważne problemy. Przełożenie 60/40 nie ma tu wielkiego znaczenia jeśli całej osi brakuje przyczepności, tak po prostu działa dyfer.
@Grzegorz Grzegorzewski Zapraszam na test, Rzeszów. Edit: Napisałeś, że _z tym sie totalnie nie zgodze, ze w alfie dziala tylko kontrola trakcji prawo/lewo. Gdyby tak bylo to by zjechala z rolek majac sama tylna lub sama przednia os na rolkach_ . Odwrotnie kolego - gdyby kontrola trakcji działała przód/tył to właśnie zjechała by z rolek, jak Audi.
Napęd w audi jest, rzekłbym, bezpłciowy. Co prawda jest lepszy jeśli chodzi o kurczowe trzymanie się drogi. Alfoski torsen stworzony został dla kierowcy, który da mu porządaną przyjemność z jazdy.
Audi przynajmniej z rolek wyjeżdża, jak na całej osi nie ma trakcji. Alfa stoi w miejscu jak zwykłe RWD na lodzie... chociaż nie.. RWD ze szperą by sobie lepiej poradziło xD Włosi to piękny naród. Zapożyczyli napęd od Niemców ale go zepsuli po swojemu, a alfiarze i tak powiedzą, że jest z duszą i daje przyjemność z jazdy
@@wojciu95 Włosi nie zapożyczyli napędu od Niemców, torsen nie jest ani wynalazkiem, ani własnością Audi. Co więcej - Włosi zastosowali torsena przy silniku ułożonym poprzecznie, Niemcy w takich układach stosują haldexa. Co do samego wyjazdu z rolek pod jedną osią - tu zdecydowanie plus dla Audi za EDL działający pomiędzy osiami, w Alfie działa tylko pomiędzy lewą a prawą stroną.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers no dobra, źle się wyraziłem o zapożyczeniu napędu od Niemców. W zamyśle miałem fakt, że jednak napęd w Audi z tego słynie. W każdym bądź razie w Audi podobny napęd działa lepiej niż IU Makaronów. Fajny film. Dzięki !
Поздрави от България! Често гледам вашето предаване. Имам Алфа 159 2.4 Q4 Ti. Алфа от теста са с проблеми. Ремонта е около 5 000 евро. В България го оправят за 500 евро....
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Мислите ли,че е нормално, Алфа да не може да тръгне при 2 задни или предни блокирани колела. Какво 4х4 е това, на никой не му трябва такова. Да сменят висящия лагер и да калиброват вала!!!
@@КрасимираКиркова There is no problem, this how torsen differential works. Maybe this will help you to understand: th-cam.com/video/qrBPpHhUdTY/w-d-xo.html
You already got the answer - IT IS NOT IN ANY REAR WHEEL DRIVE SETUP. It's all wheel drive with torsen center differential. No grip at rear means that only rear is spinning, no grip at front means that only front is spinning, that's how differential works. Study what differential is, study how does that work.
@@antoniop._1333 It's all wheel drive with torsen center differential. No grip at rear means that only rear is spinning, no grip at front means that only front is spinning, that's how differential works.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thank you for the translation! İ saw that the Alfa is useless without the ESP but the Quattro behaves the same both with and without ESP. But the Q4 can be more capable than the quattro in cross pattern slip with ESP. Really strange. İ can see that the Alfas ESP can split the torq really well between left-right. Does that mean that my 2WD 159 1.9JTD will also be better on snow/wet grass with ESP on? İ always tought that the Traction control is the system that helps you in mud/snow. But now İ understand that the Traction control is only for the road to not slip the wheels unnececerly. İt cuts the power and you don't smoke tyres. But the ESP is not only the system that helps you stay on the road without spinning and stuff but it is also the system that controls the torq split between left-right by applying brake to individual wheel. Am İ right with all this? Sorry İ am really curious and like to learn this kind of stuff. :)
@@MediaMonstersEMRE You have to separate two systems - ESP and Traction Control. ESP doesn't intervene in this test via brakes, it just cuts the throttle. Slipping wheels are braked by traction control. In Audi, when you switch ESP off, traction control remains active. In Alfa, when you switch ESP off, traction control goes also off (at least how that works in Q4, not sure about FWD). Furthermore - in Audi, traction control works not only for left/right but also for front/rear. In Alfa it works only for left/right. So here Audi has an advantage. But for handling characteristics, Alfa is the car with better layout - transversely mounted engine combined with 40/60 FR torsen diff. That's much better than nose heavy Audi with longitudinal engine and 50/50 torsen.
Está prueba no es verdadera soy propietario de un alfa Q4 y en ningún momento el coche pierde tracción en alguna rueda y si detecta alguna perdida automáticamente actúa las otras ruedas.
Test is true, there were two Alfa cars, both performed the same. Traction control doesn’t work between front and rear axles, only between left and right wheels. Here's our comment on the test: facebook.com/StacjaKontroliTrakcji/posts/1213837189094465
Alfa nie ma napędu "z Audi", torsen nie jest ani wynalazkiem, ani patentem Audi. I to właśnie w Alfie widać, że jest to torsen, nie wspomagany przez kontrolę trakcji tak się właśnie zachowuje.
Delikatnie mnie rozczarowała Alfa tym że ma problem zjechać z obu rolek na osi, nie ma ani wspomagania przez elektronikę ani mechanizm miedzyosiowy nic nie pomaga.
Our comment on the test: facebook.com/StacjaKontroliTrakcji/posts/1213837189094465
Isn't it lovely to see how Alfa only spins the rear whells ? :)) as it should always be.
Yes but how the fuck
@@antoniop._1333 What's nor clear for you?
@@antoniop._1333 It's AWD and the way they made it is really interesting.
The engine is still mounted transversely and it's a full time AWD like Quattro in Audi.
The way they did it was kinda similar to Quattro in that there is a Torsen differential in the gearbox splitting power between front and rear wheels, with front diff being in the gearbox too and rear getting power through the shaft running inside the center tunnel where the exhaust is in FWD version.
And bc it's a geared all time AWD, you can turn it into a RWD car relatively easily.
You did a great job. Bravo! Keep it up.
Thanks!
It would be really interesting to see how does the older 156 Q4 perform on the test, and if it is any different than the 159.
We are looking for the one to test it 🙂
Shame the 156 q4 is incredibly incredibly rare
156 q4 test please
Here's new test - Alfa Romeo 156 Crosswagon: th-cam.com/video/dttafZwG9Tc/w-d-xo.html
I take the Alfa 👋
I was waiting for this test, thank you!
Both rear diff and front diff (integrated into torsen C front+transaxle) for Alfa are open, hence the outcome is expected when esp off
Interesting! Both Audi and Alfa's of these models have Torsen center differentials and open front- and rear differentials. Difference should be mostly in the way ESP is programmed.
Correct, main difference comes from ESP/TC, however Alfa has torsen C while Audi has torsen B.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I was just wondering which type of Torsen it is on each car but you already answered my question. Grüsse from Switzerland 🇨🇭
@@zj25 Greetings from Poland! 🇵🇱
If I understood this well, Alfa Q4 have physically open diffs but the Traction Control switches it from left to right, but not front to rear? I always believed it was done by hardware, so when Traction Control is switched off there is only 60 to 40 ratio and all other diffs are open?
Center diff is torsen but it looks that it doesn't get any help from traction control system so it is limited to its TBR ratio.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks. It seems like the Audi setup is better when the conditions are not ideal, snow or mud, but Alfa always sends 60% of power to the back and transfer the torque from side to side while cornering which I suppose is better for sporty driving feel. Subjectively those two cars are very different, with Alfa handling and driving much better, no real contest in that regard.
@@BojanBojovic The only advantage of Audi is traction control which works not only side to side but also front to back. Front and rear diffs are open in both cars, Alfa is 60/40 rwd biased so no understeer like 50/50 Audi (which is also nose heavy).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers you are right but Alfa with 2,4 JTD is also nose heavy for sure with souch big diesel engine 🙂
@@zepter00 Engine may be heavy but it's transversely mounted so it is on the front axle, not ahead of it 🙂
The difference in operation between the 2 Audis is quite difficult to explain; different traction control settings, failure on one model?
On the other hand, the Alfa, whose traction control is fully ESP dependent, is experiencing problems already seen on some Audi Quattro with Torsen, it seems to me, with a center differential that would need a little more "active" traction control to properly manage front-rear torque transfers.
For Audi - I don't know what is the reason for different results. For Alfa - it looks like traction control works only for left/right, not front/rear.
Alfa has torsen c while Audi torsen b.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yes, this is not the first time, I believe, that we see this.
@@bartomiejhunter Yes, but I don't think that is the problem. A Torsen requires traction control to help with the front to rear torque transfer. The transfer rate is not high enough with the Torsen found in consumer cars. Especially since the Torsen is not a differential that locks itself, even partially.
@@Softroader By the way - did you ever looked inside the Mitsubishi L200 Super Select transmission? I was wondering recently how's RWD mode working there, is it omitting the torsen differential or is it locking it with no connection to the front driveshaft...
Very interesting video, thank you! Nice different effective tests. Btw, did the cars get unstuck when applying a bit of hand brake/brakes? It would have been interesting to see (for example on the case of only rear axle wheels spinning).
Thank you! We tried using brakes a few times but it didn't help. Here are the videos:
th-cam.com/video/AP98iNAbuVI/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/Zafp2_IcgG0/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/R10r396Laho/w-d-xo.html
Hi!
Can you do W204 4matic and E90 x drive? Thanks!
Hi, Bmw E90 is here: th-cam.com/video/CNbLOAPKxPU/w-d-xo.html
W204 wasn't tested yet, no volunteers...
AFLA ROMEO is the best car in the world
Slightly better the quattro in this case, the 159 works not so good... The 156 Q4 was way better, very good system
Why was 156 way better, any info? As far as I am concerned - it had the same Q4 system.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers The system is the same but the electronics works better on the 156 (the crosswagon has also specific tyres and wheels to perform better offroad)
@@nicolamiriano9150 We'll try to find 156 for the test.
sinceramente quel comportamento sulla 159 soprattutto nella parte in cui i rulli sono sul posteriore è un po' anomalo.
@@nicolamiriano9150 Here's new test - Alfa Romeo 156 Crosswagon: th-cam.com/video/dttafZwG9Tc/w-d-xo.html
Generalnie nie potrafie tego wytlumaczyc co zaszlo na tym filmie podczas tego testu, ale skoro Alfa ma naped staly na 4 kola (nie dolaczany w zaden elektroniczny sposob) to jakim cudem auto nie zjechalo z rolek, gdy tylnia os byla na rolkach lub przednia os sama na rolkach ? Przeciez to ewidentnie pokazuje, ze to albo nie jest naped alfy q4 albo nie dziala poprawnie z powodu jakiegos problemu technicznego. Jezeli ten naped dzialalby poprawnie to alfa z napedem q4 bez problemow zadnych zjechalaby z rolek pod przednia osia lub rolek pod tylna osia.
Nie ma tu żadnej tajemnicy ani problemu technicznego. Alfa ma centralny mechanizm różnicowy torsen. Kontrola trakcji - jak wykazał test - działa tylko pomiędzy lewą a prawą stroną, nie ingeruje natomiast na poziomie przód/tył. Torsen bez wspomagania układem hamulcowym (kontrolą trakcji) nie jest w stanie wybrnąć z takiej sytuacji.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers z tym sie totalnie nie zgodze, ze w alfie dziala tylko kontrola trakcji prawo/lewo. Gdyby tak bylo to by zjechala z rolek majac sama tylna lub sama przednia os na rolkach. Ten sam naped jest w audi. Jakims cudem audi sobie poradzilo a alfa nie.
Poza tym przelozenie napedu w alfie jest 60/40 wiec nadal nie mozliwe jest, ze kiedy byla przednia os lub tylna os na rolkach to alfa nie zjechala.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers nagram tą sama sytuacje takim samym autem na rolkach i podrzuce linka w komentarzu.
Pozdrawiam
@@grzegorzgrzegorzewski4461 Przetestowaliśmy dwa egzemplarze 159, wynik identyczny. Kontrola trakcji działa prawo/lewo i jest skuteczna, jeśli na każdej z osi jedno koło ma przyczepność. Jeśli przyczepność ma tylko jedno koło na jednej osi - kontrola trakcji nie działa wystarczająco skutecznie żeby wyciągnąć auto z takiej sytuacji. W Audi kontrola trakcji działa także przód/tył i tylko dlatego daje radę, ale to nie reguła, starsze modele miały z tym także poważne problemy. Przełożenie 60/40 nie ma tu wielkiego znaczenia jeśli całej osi brakuje przyczepności, tak po prostu działa dyfer.
@Grzegorz Grzegorzewski Zapraszam na test, Rzeszów.
Edit: Napisałeś, że _z tym sie totalnie nie zgodze, ze w alfie dziala tylko kontrola trakcji prawo/lewo. Gdyby tak bylo to by zjechala z rolek majac sama tylna lub sama przednia os na rolkach_ . Odwrotnie kolego - gdyby kontrola trakcji działała przód/tył to właśnie zjechała by z rolek, jak Audi.
Napęd w audi jest, rzekłbym, bezpłciowy. Co prawda jest lepszy jeśli chodzi o kurczowe trzymanie się drogi. Alfoski torsen stworzony został dla kierowcy, który da mu porządaną przyjemność z jazdy.
Trochę bełkot napisałeś. Kierowca nie da żadnemu torsenowi przyjemność z jazdy .😉
Audi przynajmniej z rolek wyjeżdża, jak na całej osi nie ma trakcji. Alfa stoi w miejscu jak zwykłe RWD na lodzie... chociaż nie.. RWD ze szperą by sobie lepiej poradziło xD
Włosi to piękny naród. Zapożyczyli napęd od Niemców ale go zepsuli po swojemu, a alfiarze i tak powiedzą, że jest z duszą i daje przyjemność z jazdy
@@wojciu95 Włosi nie zapożyczyli napędu od Niemców, torsen nie jest ani wynalazkiem, ani własnością Audi. Co więcej - Włosi zastosowali torsena przy silniku ułożonym poprzecznie, Niemcy w takich układach stosują haldexa. Co do samego wyjazdu z rolek pod jedną osią - tu zdecydowanie plus dla Audi za EDL działający pomiędzy osiami, w Alfie działa tylko pomiędzy lewą a prawą stroną.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers no dobra, źle się wyraziłem o zapożyczeniu napędu od Niemców. W zamyśle miałem fakt, że jednak napęd w Audi z tego słynie. W każdym bądź razie w Audi podobny napęd działa lepiej niż IU Makaronów.
Fajny film. Dzięki !
@@wojciu95 Dzięki :) W nowszych modelach sytuacja wygląda inaczej, aczkolwiek są to już zupełnie inne napędy: th-cam.com/video/BHlUVb8TqAM/w-d-xo.html
Поздрави от България! Често гледам вашето предаване. Имам Алфа 159 2.4 Q4 Ti. Алфа от теста са с проблеми. Ремонта е около 5 000 евро. В България го оправят за 500 евро....
Thanks, greetings from Poland! I don't think there's any problem with Alfa - we tested two cars and they performed exactly the same.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Мислите ли,че е нормално, Алфа да не може да тръгне при 2 задни или предни блокирани колела. Какво 4х4 е това, на никой не му трябва такова. Да сменят висящия лагер и да калиброват вала!!!
@@КрасимираКиркова It's totally normal, that's how torsen diff works.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Алфа не тръгна с 2 колела...това не е 4х4, има проблем с q4
@@КрасимираКиркова There is no problem, this how torsen differential works. Maybe this will help you to understand: th-cam.com/video/qrBPpHhUdTY/w-d-xo.html
I do not understand, if I have a q4. I'm stuck in the sand and the rear wheels skid, the front ones don't drive?
If all wheels have similar grip - they all spin. If there is major grip difference between the axles or wheels - car will behave like in roller tests.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers й
@@ЕвгенийЕвгений-щ9э ??
How do You pot alfa Romeo in rear Drive ?
You already got the answer - IT IS NOT IN ANY REAR WHEEL DRIVE SETUP. It's all wheel drive with torsen center differential. No grip at rear means that only rear is spinning, no grip at front means that only front is spinning, that's how differential works. Study what differential is, study how does that work.
What exactly are they testing here?
This guy explains it: th-cam.com/video/mryGnENTsoI/w-d-xo.html
Alfa Romeo 156 Crosswagon next please
If only I could find it...
Gdzie robicie testy, bo mam Crosswagona i zastanawiam się czy napęd działa jak w 159 czy inaczej
@@pawemichalak5141 Zasadniczo Rzeszów, ale bywamy w różnych miastach. Skąd jesteś?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Z pod Babiej Góry, ale pracuję w Krakowie i okolicach. Alfa kupiona specjalnie na zimowe dojazdy;)
@@pawemichalak5141 No to w Krakowie można się spotkać 🙂
Try to put lancer evo or impreza sti...
Or yaris gr circuit pack
Lancer Evo X: th-cam.com/video/5qd4hltsS60/w-d-xo.html
GR Yaris: th-cam.com/video/9kUMNtcrxXA/w-d-xo.html
çok tuhaf.arak ve ön mutlaka çalışır alfada bir sorun var bence
Please do the 156 Q4
I'm not buying it untill than
All up to volunteers...
Here's new test - Alfa Romeo 156 Crosswagon: th-cam.com/video/dttafZwG9Tc/w-d-xo.html
Ai the f.. do you put alfa Romeo on rear whells?
What?
How ist alfa Romeo in rear wheels
@@antoniop._1333 It's all wheel drive with torsen center differential. No grip at rear means that only rear is spinning, no grip at front means that only front is spinning, that's how differential works.
Alfa ma torsena C a Audi torsena B. W dodatku pewnie różnice w elektronice ESP, masie auta.
Zgadza się, największą różnice robi tutaj elektronika.
İ really wish İ could understand you. İ think you are telling some good information.
@@MediaMonstersEMRE Comments say that Alfa has torsen C and Audi has torsen B but the electronics (ESP/TC) makes the biggest difference.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thank you for the translation! İ saw that the Alfa is useless without the ESP but the Quattro behaves the same both with and without ESP. But the Q4 can be more capable than the quattro in cross pattern slip with ESP. Really strange. İ can see that the Alfas ESP can split the torq really well between left-right. Does that mean that my 2WD 159 1.9JTD will also be better on snow/wet grass with ESP on? İ always tought that the Traction control is the system that helps you in mud/snow. But now İ understand that the Traction control is only for the road to not slip the wheels unnececerly. İt cuts the power and you don't smoke tyres. But the ESP is not only the system that helps you stay on the road without spinning and stuff but it is also the system that controls the torq split between left-right by applying brake to individual wheel. Am İ right with all this? Sorry İ am really curious and like to learn this kind of stuff. :)
@@MediaMonstersEMRE You have to separate two systems - ESP and Traction Control. ESP doesn't intervene in this test via brakes, it just cuts the throttle. Slipping wheels are braked by traction control. In Audi, when you switch ESP off, traction control remains active. In Alfa, when you switch ESP off, traction control goes also off (at least how that works in Q4, not sure about FWD). Furthermore - in Audi, traction control works not only for left/right but also for front/rear. In Alfa it works only for left/right. So here Audi has an advantage. But for handling characteristics, Alfa is the car with better layout - transversely mounted engine combined with 40/60 FR torsen diff. That's much better than nose heavy Audi with longitudinal engine and 50/50 torsen.
There are only very few of Alfa Romeo in China.
Bel test però secondo me sull’alfa avete usato troppo gas
Two drivers, two Alfa cars, the same result. If system is not reacting at low throttle, we try more.
156 cw q4 is better then 159!
It is, here's new test - Alfa Romeo 156 Crosswagon: th-cam.com/video/dttafZwG9Tc/w-d-xo.html
Está prueba no es verdadera soy propietario de un alfa Q4 y en ningún momento el coche pierde tracción en alguna rueda y si detecta alguna perdida automáticamente actúa las otras ruedas.
Test is true, there were two Alfa cars, both performed the same. Traction control doesn’t work between front and rear axles, only between left and right wheels. Here's our comment on the test: facebook.com/StacjaKontroliTrakcji/posts/1213837189094465
Niby alfa ma napęd z audi Torsen a jakoś tego zbytnio nie widać
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Alfa nie ma napędu "z Audi", torsen nie jest ani wynalazkiem, ani patentem Audi. I to właśnie w Alfie widać, że jest to torsen, nie wspomagany przez kontrolę trakcji tak się właśnie zachowuje.
Delikatnie mnie rozczarowała Alfa tym że ma problem zjechać z obu rolek na osi, nie ma ani wspomagania przez elektronikę ani mechanizm miedzyosiowy nic nie pomaga.
Za to na parkingu bokiem jak możesz polatać lub na mokrej nawierzchni
The center diff is torsen and its ot working properly, something is not right here
Jak dobrze pamiętam to z trzech rolek chyba tylko bmw z xdrive wyjechało👍
Oj to masz zaległości, sporo aut daje radę 🙂
Np golf 4, 4 motion wszystko przeszedł :)
Honda legend też 😉
@@magabrysiak Legenda nie testowaliśmy.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers wiem.ale sat testy SH-AWD w usa
Quattro!!!!
Xdrive!!!
mechanically locked central diff and air lockers on both axles!! ;)
Quattro just outperforms q4.
Slightly. It does that cause its traction control works for front/rear, Alfa is missing that.