Henry has told this same story in a manner slightly more generous to Lydon. When I first heard the story he mentioned that Lydon's wife was at home, sick with Alzheimer's. (she died this month)
I'm glad he did that, at least. Without a doubt, Lydon's behaviour that night was not cool, but Rollins - being empathetic as he is - should be able to look at the wider context of the situation and recognise Lydon was most probably someone in the depths of emotional pain at the time and just kind of lashing out, and not just lay into him. If Lydon had been sober and not had an ailing wife, he'd probably still have been a dick, but maybe at least waited his turn to speak.
@@markieffmorris9263 John was dealing with the street of his wife illness .Keep in mind, John's dad died a couple years before too and his brother had cancer too. John unfortunately dealt with this by drinking . He has said he later used alcohol to deal with problems.
Johnny was a man falling to pieces at that event. But you gotta realise he was losing his wife to dementia. I lost my dad to that and it definitely fucks with you. Drunk I smashed in a few doors and lost a job to stupidity as well. Big love to John and respect to Henry for keeping his cool. 🙏
I just watched that panel before coming here and I'm glad someone else noticed, Johnny looks like a broken man in that video you can see it in his eyes and his mannerisms. As for Henry If it was that much of an issue for him he shouldn't have sat there silent like a pussy then go round speaking like this afterwards. Makes him look like a coward.
He has no cool. He probably doesn't know what it means to love someone beyond his childish hero worship left over from being a teenager with no friends.
I've met Mr Lydon when he was sober, and he was a genuinely nice guy. I think his "WWF" persona was definitely a bit larger than life that evening, and the British sense of humor was a bit lost in translation to the American audience due to the alcohol imbibement. He was (and probably still is) feeling the loss of his wife. Lost her back then due to Alzheimers, and now also in the physical sense. It has to screw with your head, and some people are more sensitive than others when it comes to hiding their inner feelings. The interview was a snapshot in time, but not something that I'd judge his entire life by. We all make mistakes. It's a shame it was emphasized in such a negative light... for sure, not one of his more tactful evenings... but I'm sure he'd be far more coherent filming it today. Much respect to Henry Rollins though, and all who took part in the panel interview that evening!
@@velvetinedrapes4359 The generational level of arrogance is not exclusively a British trait. Thousands of cultures worldwide are similarly afflicted in believing their penis is bigger than everyone else's... particularly Americans, who love to ram it down everyone's throat every chance they get, that THEIR country is the "greatest in the world!" I'm in no way disputing USA's claim... I have no jingoistic notion in the slightest when it comes to global penile protrusion measurement, and could care less about drunken patriotic flag-shagging, however going back to your original point, I totally agree that UK citizens suffer from a spectacularly unhealthy self-deprecating nihilistic "own worst enemy" sense of confrontational humor which borders on projected self-harm. However it must be stressed that British humor (in my experience & perception) is not solely arrogant... is light years away from being one dimensional and has a multitude of different facets depending on which area it's born. It's all subjective & I truly believe that each member of the panel that night were there for a damn good reason, in that they each played a significant part in contributing to their pocket of the punk genre of music, so it's all good as far as I'm concerned. 😉
Exactly! Johnny was pissed out of his head, dealing with a huge bout of depression, as a result of the knowledge that he would soon be losing the love of his life, Nora. He slipped up... that's all. He had a bad night. And this cheap ass showboating wanker Henry Rollins, wants to accuse him and his minder... the legend "Johnny Rambo" of being gay?!
Been doing my PiL research as of late, thought I was going to see a bunch of hate for John down in the comments, but see nothing but understanding and still stories of admiration - Much respect here for the man
Myself and my sister meet Johnny Lydon in a Highgate ( London UK) pub, he was really nice, friendly and chilled. We all have bad days and Johnny is losing his wife to dementia something my family went though recently with my Mum which was really hard,( who sadly died last year). Lets face it most of us have had bad drunken days at some point. I not excusing his behaviour but do you think Henry has always been the perfect gentleman. Henry rocks though.
Johnny is the drunk uncle we all put up with because he did so much for us when we were young. We love him, we are even a bit protective, but we all shake our heads and give each other the " i know, but what do you do?" look. He helped us skinny alienated kids with bad teeth and scoliosis find our path and i will be forever greatful to our badly behaved old drunk uncle for that. Edit : his wife was dying of dementia, he was loyal loving and looked after her tenderly to the end, he even stopped this interview to take a call from his distressed wife and explained to the audience why....he is a prick but this made me respect him as a good man and this one act was a lesson for all of us.
i never met a punk that wasn't a drunk nasty hypocritical slob by 40. and while henry isn't a drunk he's by far one of the nastiest people i've ever met. Coming from 30+ years in the music industry, starting off as a punk.
Just search John Lydon vs Marky Ramone and you will find it. I thought it would be entertaining but It’s pretty sad actually. Lydon was beyond drunk and emotionally distressed with his wife’s illness. He shouldn’t have been out in public that night and definitely not being filmed for a documentary promo.
To be even a little bit surprised by Johnny rottens behavior is weird to me. That man has been the same angry loud dude since he was 18. John’s a fucking legend.
Lydon has admitted he was in a bad place then. He was looking after this wife full time and gain a huge amount of weight. He’s since lost it. The whole debacle is on TH-cam, he stops the conference half way to answer a call from his wife (who has Alzheimer’s disease). All up on TH-cam if you want to see for yourself.
The man can use that as an excuse, but civility counts for a lot. It doesn't mean that you can use any public forum to use your personal life as a vent for your dirty laundry
Not to judge, because ppl can love whoever they want, but lifelong bachelor Henry going for the put-down by referring to Lydon's handler as his lover just makes me think of the rumors about Henry and his best friend Joe Cole prior to Cole's tragic murder.
Johnny is my favorite celebrity, and my favorite man. He inspired me to speak my mind as a youth, and I'm still that way. Hes brutally honest and fiercely loyal. That's a real man. Not Rollins who punches guys out.
What crap, I watched the press conference on youtube. Sure John Lydon was drunk, but still talking sense. He actually said "Iggy was not a punk", which is true as punk is a moronic term invented by the UK music press to insult the new bands like the Pistols, the Damned, etc. As for Marky Ramone, he just doesn't understand the huge difference between what happened in the UK and the CBGB's scene. The Ramones did a good album but then got stuck in a rut, that's not what happened with the UK bands, especially the Pistols who were not in it for a career as a rock n roll group! The real difference being the direct attack on the way things were in the UK, that's why the British Establishment feared these bands so much. They were the next step upwards from the 60's rebels.
A good album? More like three-four perfect albums. And a bunch of good ones, afterwards. Should The Ramones sing about attacking the British government? I don't understand what you are saying. Also, why didn't Johnny quit PiL then, after first two records, instead of putting out crap for longer that The Ramones were active?
@@1985cactus Obviously, we all have differing outlooks and tastes. It's the lyrics which make the difference, the Ramones were traditionalists indulging themselves with relationship problems, whereas the likes of the Sex Pistols had a deeper dimension. Why would an American band sing about the UK government, when they have enough evil within their own? As for Lydon, ask him. I cannot answer, but I do agree he should have quit after Album, but he may have desired more mainstream appeal thereafter.
Its true what marky ramone said malcom maclaren did come to new york and take lots of ideas from new york like safety pins wich the bands used to do to keep rips together and decoration and dee dee ramone started padlock around the neck thing not vicious
As it fucking should be. And Rotten was right about that Danny Boyle directed debacle based on Jones' book. Love the Pistols forever, true gamechangers but I don't suffer from Pistols derangement syndrome. Rotten has become a political idiot, Jones shills for the 12 Steps. Loved Black Flag Rollins/Ginn and Rollins solo, great live shows. But Henry has turned into Bill Maher. We still have the music, that's what counts.
True. Thats what put me off him. He is an intelligent guy and I like the Pistols but he goes from saying punk was all a joke and a face etc etc to reminding everyone he "gave them" punk and they've got him to thank for it. Then he appears as a guest on a talk show and takes center stage even when he's got 3 other guests beside him
Johhny was the only one there who came across like the type of person that interested me in the genre in the first place. Not because he was drunk (honestly, he seems to act about the same even when sober) but because he seemed very real, blunt, unapologetically opinionated, unafraid, and entertaining with unique perspectives. He doesn't sound like someone kowtowing to a political agenda, being PC because his environment deems he should, or pretending to get along with/be friends with people he doesn't actually like, respect, for care about. IMO, Rollins just comes across like a pseudo-intellectual generic liberal tool with nothing original to say.
Seriously? You prefer rudeness, inebriation, physical and mental self neglect, and lazy ignorance over facts and politeness? Rotten has been a total mess since the mid 80s, and clearly lacks critical thinking skills and respect for anyone but himself and other grifters. If he had any real awareness left, he'd hate himself.
@@dmerls8571 As far as politeness goes… yes. When it comes to people like this, I prefer someone who doesn’t seem to care about being polite. I don’t tune in to hear their platitudes, generic liberal political opinions, or niceties for the sake of civility. I don’t like them giving out compliments they don’t really mean or showing respect to people they don’t actually respect. I like hearing their blunt, unfiltered feelings, as rude as they may be; they're rock stars, not news correspondents or politicians. That was the whole appeal of them in the first place. That doesn’t mean I’d prefer for Johnny Rotten to be the one saying grace at my Thanksgiving dinner or giving my grannies eulogy. If I’m choosing someone for those tasks, sure, give me Rollins and his polite, phoney-seeming tactfulness. Granted, everyone at the funeral may be a bit bewildered as to why toxic masculinity, his hatred for Trump, and racism is being brought up, but at least he’s not blowing snot out into the casket, I suppose, and telling everyone that when he knew nana she was the town bicycle. When I watch Johnny Rotten in an interview, I'm seeing what I always saw punk rock as: rebellious, outspoken, independent thinking (I have some longwinded caveats to that, but I'll refrain), and unconcerned with tact. When I see Rollins, I may as well be watching any random liberal celebrity giving the same opinions I've heard parroted a thousand times, pretending like they're the smartest person in the room when they're clearly just riding a partisan bandwagon. I don’t care which one of these guys would be a better friend to me or who I’d prefer to have over for dinner. The appeal was that they felt like they were being genuine and uncorrupted by a herd mentality. I may not always agree with Rotten, but at least I know he isn’t just saying the things and having the opinions that literally every other "countercultural" (it's hardly counter now) hipster expresses. Unlike Rollins, he doesn't feel like just another cog in that machine. And I certainly never get the impression that he’s just “playing the game” or is censoring himself to not hurt his career or reputation with his audience. For good or bad, what I see with him is what I get. And, yes, I prefer that. And I don’t know what “facts” you’re referring to. I’m interested in unique perspectives when they're delivered to me in an interesting, entertaining, or thought-provoking way, but I’m hardly looking to any of these people to get my “facts”. However, even if I was, Rollins certainly wouldn’t be high on that totem. This is the same guy who spent years taking up for The West Memphis 3 for Pete’s sake (yet another trendy celebrity bandwagon cause that wannabe advocates and activists dove into without researching).
@@nevets9811 So I take it you've never had anything good in your life, no need for civility probably means you have no children. No respect for accepted facts means you've probably never had a gainful job or owned property. Punk rock was a laugh, a joke for a short time when kids could be kids, it's not meant to be a design for life unless homelessness and drug addiction is your goal.
I said that he's a prick, but a big cranky kid And all he talked about was politics Buff from lifting cars and he don't like girls no more 'Cause Henry Rollins is no fun Henry Rollins is no fun Henry Rollins is no fun, just ask my mom
Henry, I didn't think you felt so strongly about that night because you seem to laugh and enjoy yourself. I had some respect for you that night and now I have none.
I don't think Henry knew he was being filmed here. From what I seen, I thought Duff and Henry were aware that he's drunk, he's a punk legend with no filter so they knew what to expect. But now he's talking about how he called johnny out, grabbed his fingers and would have knocked him out, what? he was laughing the entire time and backing away everytime Johnny gave a response, you can even see on the video he is indeed holding his fingers and that's because he's filming him smiling.
@@allanmoorhead9492 I saw the video and Rollins was all laughing and smiling didn't say a word when it happened. In America they still use calling someone gay or their lover as a slur or a put down. Which I thought Rollins was way beyond but no he's a fake too
Yikes, Henry called Rambo Johnny’s “lover”… IDK if that’s true, but if it is, ir’s not meant to be publuc knowledge. JL was a devoted husband to his late wife Nora.
@@matthewramey5677Was a weird swipe wasnt it? Especially as Rambo was aplogising.. It just came off really weird if it was an attempt at humour... "aha look he's gay"... Like it really came off like that.. He had to have known (since) how ill Nora was at the time..John was under a lot of stress, as anyone who's dealt with that disease will know. Maybe it was a joke that fell flat...it just didnt feel like that.. Felt like he was tryina "out" something.. "Not cool" to use Henrys own words.
Chances are John Lydon is still far more sincere and human than the rest that enjoyed blowing his outburst out of proportion. Equally, none of the people present would have taken on the job of being the full time carer for their partner that's slowly dying and getting worse by the day. Nothing but respect for the legend that is John Lydon - stay true, honest and human, we love you for that.
Don't forget he also raised his step daughters (Ari) children after she died , he has been lippy, confrontational...but he has also shown us how a GOOD man acts when it comes to caring about people and he definitely stepped up. I hate his political direction now but I still have mad respect for him.
@@emptyemptiness8372 yes was just going to say that also the money he has given away over the years to children’s orphanages and many children’s charities , I do like his political views he dislike’s Marxist ideology and the fools that go along with it , he explains it much better than I can
Yeah word. Now that you mention it, Johnny kinda made all those other dudes look like they weren't punk. It was more like, "Whoa, this dude is being wild. He's making me uncomfortable." Versus, "Ah yes, my old punk days. Let's throw a chair together." And who picked the interviewer? That guy was terrified, trying his damndeset to manipulate Johnny back into a confortable norm (like your typical school teacher), with his big rounded face looking soft as hell. Much respect to Marky Ramone; it seems like a good punk conference could use some tense back-and-forth.
As mentioned elsewhere, context is seriously missing here. Lydon (Rotten) had ballooned in weight and was having serious issues due to his beloved wife falling to dementia. I hope Rollins realises this now. Plus, he wasn't running around at all (see the video) and is pretty funny for much of the time.
He completely derailed the interview in a successful attempt to make it all about himself. Which is on brand, but disappointing nonetheless. When will we ever have these kinds of peers all on one room where you could get points of view from all over the punk historical spectrum, and instead it just became one man’s improv show. I know he was going through it, but it just bums me out that the moment didn’t get to happen.
@mattrussell8654 he's always been obnoxious, it was a major part of his shtick, I wouldn't necessarily class that as charisma, but different strokes for different folks
@@kingofallwhiteswtf has that got to do with his wife having alzheimer's disease ? You yanks dont know shit. Hence the reason trump was your president.
Johnny was going through a lot and then and you Henry should have known that. You should be the real man that you pretend to be and set him down as a friend
One of the things that Henry keeps saying that always makes me cringe is: "I come from the blue-collar working world." The guy had a couple of service jobs as a teenager... like every teenager does... but his father (while an asshole) was a college professor, and he's spoken about how his mother was a high-flying executive in DC. He went to a private military school. His upbringing may have sucked, but he's always been middle-class, and the punk/hard-core movement in the US was dominated by well-off, white suburban kids.
Lydon couldn't tell you the name of one Black Flag song if his wife's life depended on it. His knowledge of the US punk scene could be written on the back of a postage stamp.
@@rrbh his knowledge of the uk punk scene was also minimal at best, he was on a panel with penny from crass for 4 music and when the question about how crass fitted in with the uk punk scene he went on and on as if penny wasn't there, you could see john robb who was the chair's eyes rolling.
@@lewisb85John always shitted on everyone else's music and pretended to have no influences or peers. It was part of his shtick. I'm glad he didn't let Penny talk. What kind of punk names themselves after a 19th century French fruitcake poet, starts a hippy commune, and self publishes shitty poetry? Penny was an over-the-hill hippy when Crass started. A tourist to be put in the same category as the middle class art school dropouts who ruined punk (first two Crass albums were dope though).
I can't believe I used to actually like this guy. I met him once in a Sydney rehearsal studio... I told him how much I enjoyed his short story book 'End to End'. For whatever reason?... he felt that he had to play the tough guy and put me down, by saying.. "Yeah, so what?!" I was so disappointed...I just walked away.
This video was shot after his wife had passed BUT the incident Henry's speaking of regarding the Q&A was shortly before his wife passed. Johnny gets a call in the middle of the Q&A and explains his wife is very sick so he needs to take it.
I found the video of this event on YT th-cam.com/video/HhVZLL1pMQ0/w-d-xo.html. Rollins' description is quite distorted. Lydon isn't running around the room, he's seated the whole time. Admittedly, he's obnoxious as hell and hogs the mic somewhat, but other people get to speak too. He has a great shouting match with Marky Ramone at one point, and Ramone hilariously ranks him out Brooklyn style, which Lydon clearly enjoys. The exchange Rollins describes between himself and Lydon happens while they are sitting on the panel as part of the discussion, he doesn't walk over to him. The whole event was fun and crazy, definitely doesn't end in 10 minutes--the video is 24 minutes, and the beginning was cut so it probably ran over half an hour. Without Lydon, it would've been a total rock geezer borefest.
He called M Ramone for what he was a second edition not original member 😂 Johnny is and always as been un conformist that’s what he was displaying but at a very difficult sad time in his life and also happened to be pissed out of his mind , only a real prick would use that debate make himself feel riotous and important condemning someone worth ten of himself
Lydon wears his heart and mind on his sleeve. It gets messy. At least we know it's real. I'm not sure what's real with Hank, but he certainly loves to talk about himself in flattering ways.
No one would rememeber that evening or that doc were it not for Lydon's antics. And his wife was suffering badly from Alzheimers. Give the man a break.
I met Johnny at one of my brothers parties back in the late 80's. He was a huge snob, and was annoying everyone. He ended up leaving after standing there by himself for a while because no one wanted to talk to him.
Funny but you hear so many different stories about Johnny...sometimes he's an absolute darling, sometimes not... I think in recent years perhaps he has become a much kinder person.
Met him 20 years ago, very off as was his even more off pal Rambo. My sister met him a couple of times in punk era London too, found him funny and interesting first time , second time his mates and him were causing bother in a Chelsea pub, different person she said. As Glen Matlock said, "funny kettle of fish is John." Aye!!
Since the normal societal expectation is friends and conversation indicate success, I'm hoping next time I go to a party no one talks to me, and maybe you haven't experienced the thrill of being truly honest with someone and not giving a shit.
@ColinMorganTeacher I make it a point to be straightforward, and honest with people. You can do that without being a prick. Funny though this video wasn't about me, so I can't understand why your comment was.
@@dougrussell1926 Because you said about Johnny, among other things, "He was a huge snob, and was annoying everyone." Now, everyone has their off days, but Johnny is also a free thinker who seems to be close to the pinnacle of not giving a shit, so maybe he realized that everyone at your brother's party were the type of assholes who would say something mean about someone and then act live a victim who was living in the righteousness of "straighforwardness"
Thing I've found over time is Henry likes to embellish his stories at shows. I looked up one video he had mentioned to me after I'd seen him and saw that it was pretty far off what he had described. I pointed this out and the only thing he could reply was "thanks".
He mostly knows how to lecture and is a master of holier than thou. I appreciate him, but there's snobbishness in his act and presentation. He's not the final word on people that he judges, and he only appears to think through music itself, which is fine, but there's real people behind that music, that might be different to him.
Thanks for the vid but holy shit man: some warning for the shouting "thank you very much Henry" at the end. Had my speakers up to hear Henry! Blew my ears out.
Well, apparently he’s been suffering for 40 years, because he’s been making an ass out of himself for that long. Maybe blame his handlers and whatever friends he might have instead of a guy who was just trying get something done in a professional situation.
I've seen henry since tell the story being a lot more generous to john it was a sad time as john was going through a bad time in his life wife with dementia, dad having died and brother with cancer, he hit the bottle hard to cope with it. It was just a sad and unfortunate state of affairs, I remember henry saying since that he wished he knew what he was going through.
The Sex Pistols changed my life but the second PIL album taught me a lot about being a musician...good to know Mr. Rollins holds it in some kind of esteem as well.
Even Rollins up front says he is tired of these bullshit docs, if Johnny hadn't have done that you'd remember absolutely nothing about the doc much less its fucking press tour. Also Henry and the "I can punch out guys easily", I've walked up to Henry and shook his hand, he is a tiny, tiny man with soft hands.
Mark Lamarr told Johnny Rotten to leave part way through an episode of Nevermind The Buzzcocks. He said later it was such a shame because John Lydon was one of the most intelligent and kind people he'd ever met but as soon as the camera started rolling it was Johnny Rotten. He has become a parody of himself and a slave to his anarchic image.
He’s fkn brilliant recognising trump !! Good on him and not falling for Marxist nonsense oh cool to be a leftist fake john is antiestablishment the left have become that establishment
00:00 🎥 Henry Rollins shares his reluctance toward music documentaries despite being frequently asked due to his ability to articulate thoughts. 00:27 💰 Rollins agreed to be in the punk rock documentary but requested payment, tired of providing knowledge without compensation. 00:55 🎤 He attended an honor panel for the documentary in Los Angeles with various musicians, including Johnny Rotten and Marky Ramone. 01:24 🤨 Johnny Rotten disrupted the panel, behaving drunkenly and insulting others, including Iggy Pop, causing the discussion to derail within 11 minutes. 02:33 😔 Rollins refrained from confronting Rotten despite feeling sorry for his state, acknowledging Rotten's influence and impact on music. 03:29 🤝 Despite the chaos, Rollins managed a somewhat amicable interaction with Rotten, reflecting on the odd and surreal nature of the encounter. 04:13 🤷♂ Rotten's manager, apologetic for Rotten's behavior, acknowledged the situation's nature after the chaotic panel.
So, at 4:07 in, did Henry Rollins just out John Lydon? You know Henry has done stuff that is reprehensible as well, but has never been outed. Sexist, homophobic, bullying type of shit, and he didn’t have alcohol to blame for it. Which, in my opinion, is worse.
Well, Johnny's excuse is that he was drunk (more likely because he was dealing with a lot of serious issues at home)... but what was Marky Ramone's excuse? He wasn't even funny. Just obnoxious. And that wig!!! Marky Ramone's wig should have its own Instagram account. (oh wait, it does!)
‘I’m really good at knocking men out’ Really..? Examples please? Im guessing there are none, as they’d then take you to court for all of that Gap commercial/ SOA money. I like Henry-he’s cool as shit. But enough with the tough guy talk.
@@revwillyg6450 Slightly humble now days being off steroids and a shell of himself so he has no choice plus a guilty conscious about the reality of what happened to his roommate...
That's because Johnny has something called "arete". It's a Greek word, look it up. Means "presence", strength of spirit. In the old days they would knock down walls so that a person with a big ARETE could enter a fucking room. Sorry you're jealous of Rotten's ARETE. It is what it is. His greatness will not be known again in your lifetime, and if you are stuck playing second or third fiddle on stage.....OH WELL. As much as I love ya Henry, them's just the facts.
@lrminsulMusic I'm from Detroit (blow the reveille)! I think you're on to something. I loved The Pistols. But, I never cared for Rotten! His calling R&R a _'scam'_ 'n acting like a spoiled brat all the time. He did that years before & years after this. (2019) So, excuses about ill spouse's & too much liquor are ....... Baudelaire used to do that! He would get drunk on wine at a crowded pub. Then, he would suddenly stand up & start *bellowing* his poems at the top of his lungs! Nobody stopped him cuz he was (ya know) "Baudelaire"! (& he was a very large fellow as well) So, there ya go. - Dave B.
If you have somthing to say about rotten. Then you could have said it to his face that evening? Instead of bad mouthing him when he's not aroynd. And making accusations that Johnny and manager Rambo were lover's? Rollings you were like a quiet church mouse that evening.
Johnny never liked to share the limelight with other bands though, and made a project of being snide to boot. After his early years he ended up quite a lot like McLaren who he apparently despised.
"Iggy, today, I've selected for you: no shirt and an old pair of jeans. Looking to tomorrow, the outfit will be... no shirt, and let's say... an old pair of jeans."
The interview can be found on YT. It's even linked in the comments here. I think it's a good idea to watch it, and then re-watch this. The amount of exaggeration is strong in this account. There is a degree of accuracy here, but WOW ... talk about re-aligning the truth to serve your self image.
Re: all the comments/context about Nora -- Lydon had been making a drunken buffoon of himself long before she succumbed to dementia. I've defended him for decades since he had such a huge impact on my musical taste/horizons and worldview since I was 9 (in '79), and the initial reboot of PiL (live, anyway) was so surprisingly great. But he finally jumped the shark around 2012 and hasn't had a single interesting thing to say since then ("me meningitis, blah blah blah"). But pre-2012, he was still (occasionally) a force, and that 2009/2010 PiL tour proved it in spades. Sorry for Rollins and everyone else who had to witness that sorry spectacle.
Henry seems likes a bit of a boner here, he's really exaggerating some of the events that transpired at that talk. "I've got a lot of experience knocking men out"... That's a pretty gimpy thing for Henry to be saying :/
I saw this n Johnny was pissed n taking the piss out of everybody...I love the pistols n PiL metal box / flowers...like Henry says Let's NOT end up like him...
Henry has told this same story in a manner slightly more generous to Lydon. When I first heard the story he mentioned that Lydon's wife was at home, sick with Alzheimer's. (she died this month)
Oh geez.
Poor dude.
I'm glad he did that, at least. Without a doubt, Lydon's behaviour that night was not cool, but Rollins - being empathetic as he is - should be able to look at the wider context of the situation and recognise Lydon was most probably someone in the depths of emotional pain at the time and just kind of lashing out, and not just lay into him. If Lydon had been sober and not had an ailing wife, he'd probably still have been a dick, but maybe at least waited his turn to speak.
Johnny taking pole on his wife’s death bed is shameful
@@markieffmorris9263 John was dealing with the street of his wife illness .Keep in mind, John's dad died a couple years before too and his brother had cancer too. John unfortunately dealt with this by drinking . He has said he later used alcohol to deal with problems.
@@christophernash1846 I understand but it doesn’t excuse his behavior. Don’t volunteer for speaking engagements you can’t handle.
Johnny made it worth watching
I loved his ripping into the Ramone guy 😁
Yep
IK,R? No one would remember this, at all, if John hadn’t livened up the evening.
Henry clutching pearls is hilarious, however.
Johnny was a man falling to pieces at that event. But you gotta realise he was losing his wife to dementia. I lost my dad to that and it definitely fucks with you. Drunk I smashed in a few doors and lost a job to stupidity as well. Big love to John and respect to Henry for keeping his cool. 🙏
Then he should've stayed the fuck home
I just watched that panel before coming here and I'm glad someone else noticed, Johnny looks like a broken man in that video you can see it in his eyes and his mannerisms. As for Henry If it was that much of an issue for him he shouldn't have sat there silent like a pussy then go round speaking like this afterwards. Makes him look like a coward.
He has no cool. He probably doesn't know what it means to love someone beyond his childish hero worship left over from being a teenager with no friends.
Johnny having gay sex while his wife is dying what a drunk failure
@@ronofthesea5953 Like you? Must hurt...
I've met Mr Lydon when he was sober, and he was a genuinely nice guy. I think his "WWF" persona was definitely a bit larger than life that evening, and the British sense of humor was a bit lost in translation to the American audience due to the alcohol imbibement. He was (and probably still is) feeling the loss of his wife. Lost her back then due to Alzheimers, and now also in the physical sense. It has to screw with your head, and some people are more sensitive than others when it comes to hiding their inner feelings. The interview was a snapshot in time, but not something that I'd judge his entire life by. We all make mistakes. It's a shame it was emphasized in such a negative light... for sure, not one of his more tactful evenings... but I'm sure he'd be far more coherent filming it today. Much respect to Henry Rollins though, and all who took part in the panel interview that evening!
Its worth pointing out that British "humor" is a generational level of arrogance that many follows men British men of that era
@@velvetinedrapes4359 The generational level of arrogance is not exclusively a British trait. Thousands of cultures worldwide are similarly afflicted in believing their penis is bigger than everyone else's... particularly Americans, who love to ram it down everyone's throat every chance they get, that THEIR country is the "greatest in the world!" I'm in no way disputing USA's claim... I have no jingoistic notion in the slightest when it comes to global penile protrusion measurement, and could care less about drunken patriotic flag-shagging, however going back to your original point, I totally agree that UK citizens suffer from a spectacularly unhealthy self-deprecating nihilistic "own worst enemy" sense of confrontational humor which borders on projected self-harm. However it must be stressed that British humor (in my experience & perception) is not solely arrogant... is light years away from being one dimensional and has a multitude of different facets depending on which area it's born. It's all subjective & I truly believe that each member of the panel that night were there for a damn good reason, in that they each played a significant part in contributing to their pocket of the punk genre of music, so it's all good as far as I'm concerned. 😉
Exactly! Johnny was pissed out of his head, dealing with a huge bout of depression, as a result of the knowledge that he would soon be losing the love of his life, Nora. He slipped up... that's all. He had a bad night. And this cheap ass showboating wanker Henry Rollins, wants to accuse him and his minder... the legend "Johnny Rambo" of being gay?!
Rollins here reminds me so much of a drama teacher talking about a script in front of a bunch of drama kids.
😂😂😂good one, he thinks he is so important
He is an actor....and looked terrified of Lydon.
Henry Rollins is quite the drama queen. Always was, and always will be.
Drama queen you mean
Been doing my PiL research as of late, thought I was going to see a bunch of hate for John down in the comments, but see nothing but understanding and still stories of admiration - Much respect here for the man
Myself and my sister meet Johnny Lydon in a Highgate ( London UK) pub, he was really nice, friendly and chilled. We all have bad days and Johnny is losing his wife to dementia something my family went though recently with my Mum which was really hard,( who sadly died last year). Lets face it most of us have had bad drunken days at some point. I not excusing his behaviour but do you think Henry has always been the perfect gentleman. Henry rocks though.
names Marky Ramone twice but can't remember Donita lol
Marky Ramone is famous from a great band. Who is "Donita"?😂
Oh, please. Sounds like something a run-of-the-mill feminist would say.
Johnny is the drunk uncle we all put up with because he did so much for us when we were young. We love him, we are even a bit protective, but we all shake our heads and give each other the " i know, but what do you do?" look. He helped us skinny alienated kids with bad teeth and scoliosis find our path and i will be forever greatful to our badly behaved old drunk uncle for that.
Edit : his wife was dying of dementia, he was loyal loving and looked after her tenderly to the end, he even stopped this interview to take a call from his distressed wife and explained to the audience why....he is a prick but this made me respect him as a good man and this one act was a lesson for all of us.
i never met a punk that wasn't a drunk nasty hypocritical slob by 40. and while henry isn't a drunk he's by far one of the nastiest people i've ever met. Coming from 30+ years in the music industry, starting off as a punk.
Thank you for sharing this. I hadn't heard about this incident. Duff and Henry are such great guys.
You can find the video of the incident online as well.
Just search John Lydon vs Marky Ramone and you will find it. I thought it would be entertaining but It’s pretty sad actually. Lydon was beyond drunk and emotionally distressed with his wife’s illness. He shouldn’t have been out in public that night and definitely not being filmed for a documentary promo.
@@CFarnwide I agree , It was sad. I had to turn it off.
well the organizers of that panel should have known that inviting Johnny Rotten in that particular constellation is just asking for trouble
Probably the reason they did it.
Punk rock and panel discussions do not and should not mix. Mr Lydon brought the proper ingredient and made it truly memorable.
I stumbled on this video while listening to some PIL. This was interesting. Now back to some more PIL.
have you seen the event he's talking about, its hillarious, Johnny Rotten is far out that day
To be even a little bit surprised by Johnny rottens behavior is weird to me. That man has been the same angry loud dude since he was 18. John’s a fucking legend.
Lydon has admitted he was in a bad place then. He was looking after this wife full time and gain a huge amount of weight. He’s since lost it. The whole debacle is on TH-cam, he stops the conference half way to answer a call from his wife (who has Alzheimer’s disease). All up on TH-cam if you want to see for yourself.
The man can use that as an excuse, but civility counts for a lot. It doesn't mean that you can use any public forum to use your personal life as a vent for your dirty laundry
Not to judge, because ppl can love whoever they want, but lifelong bachelor Henry going for the put-down by referring to Lydon's handler as his lover just makes me think of the rumors about Henry and his best friend Joe Cole prior to Cole's tragic murder.
and imagine - the founder of the Rollins Band criticizing John Lydon.
That press-conference is on video and it is not what happened.
Johnny is my favorite celebrity, and my favorite man. He inspired me to speak my mind as a youth, and I'm still that way. Hes brutally honest and fiercely loyal. That's a real man. Not Rollins who punches guys out.
What crap, I watched the press conference on youtube. Sure John Lydon was drunk, but still talking sense. He actually said "Iggy was not a punk", which is true as punk is a moronic term invented by the UK music press to insult the new bands like the Pistols, the Damned, etc.
As for Marky Ramone, he just doesn't understand the huge difference between what happened in the UK and the CBGB's scene. The Ramones did a good album but then got stuck in a rut, that's not what happened with the UK bands, especially the Pistols who were not in it for a career as a rock n roll group! The real difference being the direct attack on the way things were in the UK, that's why the British Establishment feared these bands so much. They were the next step upwards from the 60's rebels.
A good album? More like three-four perfect albums. And a bunch of good ones, afterwards. Should The Ramones sing about attacking the British government? I don't understand what you are saying. Also, why didn't Johnny quit PiL then, after first two records, instead of putting out crap for longer that The Ramones were active?
@@1985cactus Obviously, we all have differing outlooks and tastes. It's the lyrics which make the difference, the Ramones were traditionalists indulging themselves with relationship problems, whereas the likes of the Sex Pistols had a deeper dimension.
Why would an American band sing about the UK government, when they have enough evil within their own?
As for Lydon, ask him. I cannot answer, but I do agree he should have quit after Album, but he may have desired more mainstream appeal thereafter.
Its true what marky ramone said malcom maclaren did come to new york and take lots of ideas from new york like safety pins wich the bands used to do to keep rips together and decoration and dee dee ramone started padlock around the neck thing not vicious
@@mroldnewbieYeah, still, they ripped off a lot of the New York look and sound
Steve Jones said of Johnny Rotten that he never got over his rock stardom. The problem with Johnny, when he's up on stage, it's all about him.
As it fucking should be. And Rotten was right about that Danny Boyle directed debacle based on Jones' book. Love the Pistols forever, true gamechangers but I don't suffer from Pistols derangement syndrome. Rotten has become a political idiot, Jones shills for the 12 Steps. Loved Black Flag Rollins/Ginn and Rollins solo, great live shows. But Henry has turned into Bill Maher. We still have the music, that's what counts.
@@walkerstark4564”Political idiot” ?
No he’s a political superstar calls fkn Marxist ideology out for what it is !!
Gotten over ? No problem with Johnny he should be seen and heard more often !
True. Thats what put me off him. He is an intelligent guy and I like the Pistols but he goes from saying punk was all a joke and a face etc etc to reminding everyone he "gave them" punk and they've got him to thank for it. Then he appears as a guest on a talk show and takes center stage even when he's got 3 other guests beside him
Johhny was the only one there who came across like the type of person that interested me in the genre in the first place. Not because he was drunk (honestly, he seems to act about the same even when sober) but because he seemed very real, blunt, unapologetically opinionated, unafraid, and entertaining with unique perspectives. He doesn't sound like someone kowtowing to a political agenda, being PC because his environment deems he should, or pretending to get along with/be friends with people he doesn't actually like, respect, for care about. IMO, Rollins just comes across like a pseudo-intellectual generic liberal tool with nothing original to say.
Seriously? You prefer rudeness, inebriation, physical and mental self neglect, and lazy ignorance over facts and politeness? Rotten has been a total mess since the mid 80s, and clearly lacks critical thinking skills and respect for anyone but himself and other grifters. If he had any real awareness left, he'd hate himself.
@@dmerls8571 As far as politeness goes… yes. When it comes to people like this, I prefer someone who doesn’t seem to care about being polite. I don’t tune in to hear their platitudes, generic liberal political opinions, or niceties for the sake of civility. I don’t like them giving out compliments they don’t really mean or showing respect to people they don’t actually respect. I like hearing their blunt, unfiltered feelings, as rude as they may be; they're rock stars, not news correspondents or politicians. That was the whole appeal of them in the first place. That doesn’t mean I’d prefer for Johnny Rotten to be the one saying grace at my Thanksgiving dinner or giving my grannies eulogy. If I’m choosing someone for those tasks, sure, give me Rollins and his polite, phoney-seeming tactfulness. Granted, everyone at the funeral may be a bit bewildered as to why toxic masculinity, his hatred for Trump, and racism is being brought up, but at least he’s not blowing snot out into the casket, I suppose, and telling everyone that when he knew nana she was the town bicycle.
When I watch Johnny Rotten in an interview, I'm seeing what I always saw punk rock as: rebellious, outspoken, independent thinking (I have some longwinded caveats to that, but I'll refrain), and unconcerned with tact. When I see Rollins, I may as well be watching any random liberal celebrity giving the same opinions I've heard parroted a thousand times, pretending like they're the smartest person in the room when they're clearly just riding a partisan bandwagon. I don’t care which one of these guys would be a better friend to me or who I’d prefer to have over for dinner. The appeal was that they felt like they were being genuine and uncorrupted by a herd mentality. I may not always agree with Rotten, but at least I know he isn’t just saying the things and having the opinions that literally every other "countercultural" (it's hardly counter now) hipster expresses. Unlike Rollins, he doesn't feel like just another cog in that machine. And I certainly never get the impression that he’s just “playing the game” or is censoring himself to not hurt his career or reputation with his audience. For good or bad, what I see with him is what I get. And, yes, I prefer that.
And I don’t know what “facts” you’re referring to. I’m interested in unique perspectives when they're delivered to me in an interesting, entertaining, or thought-provoking way, but I’m hardly looking to any of these people to get my “facts”. However, even if I was, Rollins certainly wouldn’t be high on that totem. This is the same guy who spent years taking up for The West Memphis 3 for Pete’s sake (yet another trendy celebrity bandwagon cause that wannabe advocates and activists dove into without researching).
@@nevets9811 So I take it you've never had anything good in your life, no need for civility probably means you have no children. No respect for accepted facts means you've probably never had a gainful job or owned property. Punk rock was a laugh, a joke for a short time when kids could be kids, it's not meant to be a design for life unless homelessness and drug addiction is your goal.
The irony of an anarchic performer being a bit anarchic at a documentary about punk.
Yeah, Henry, and I remember you were sooo P.C.
I said that he's a prick, but a big cranky kid
And all he talked about was politics
Buff from lifting cars and he don't like girls no more
'Cause Henry Rollins is no fun
Henry Rollins is no fun
Henry Rollins is no fun, just ask my mom
I dig BF's music, but Henry has become a real bore.
Henry, I didn't think you felt so strongly about that night because you seem to laugh and enjoy yourself. I had some respect for you that night and now I have none.
I don't think Henry knew he was being filmed here. From what I seen, I thought Duff and Henry were aware that he's drunk, he's a punk legend with no filter so they knew what to expect. But now he's talking about how he called johnny out, grabbed his fingers and would have knocked him out, what? he was laughing the entire time and backing away everytime Johnny gave a response, you can even see on the video he is indeed holding his fingers and that's because he's filming him smiling.
Can't believe Rollins called his handler gay and said he thought about punching him. Whatta weird hypocrite way to be about it
Where did he get the idea that they were "lovers"?
@@allanmoorhead9492 I saw the video and Rollins was all laughing and smiling didn't say a word when it happened. In America they still use calling someone gay or their lover as a slur or a put down. Which I thought Rollins was way beyond but no he's a fake too
@@matthewramey5677 It's used as a slur everywhere.
@@allanmoorhead9492 He was joking. By "lover" he meant personal surrogate. Rollins said that he was basically his baby sitter.
@@matthewramey5677 He was referencing his dependency on this handler. You can climb down off the ledge now.
Lydon livened the event up no end. If it had been left to politically correct 'hard man' Rollins it would've been as tedious as fuck.
Very weird and uneccessary comment about his manager being his 'lover'.
Yeah like why not say it to his face?
For a guy as stone cold sober as Henry Rollins, he sure doesn't have a very accurate memory of this event.
I had a great time listening and watching John's drunk rants...
I bet everyone else was too, interviewees and audience. Except one.
Yikes, Henry called Rambo Johnny’s “lover”… IDK if that’s true, but if it is, ir’s not meant to be publuc knowledge. JL was a devoted husband to his late wife Nora.
That is not true at all. Rollins is way outta line.
@@matthewramey5677Was a weird swipe wasnt it? Especially as Rambo was aplogising.. It just came off really weird if it was an attempt at humour... "aha look he's gay"... Like it really came off like that.. He had to have known (since) how ill Nora was at the time..John was under a lot of stress, as anyone who's dealt with that disease will know. Maybe it was a joke that fell flat...it just didnt feel like that.. Felt like he was tryina "out" something.. "Not cool" to use Henrys own words.
That's weird cause he has some many closeted gay rumors.
Chances are John Lydon is still far more sincere and human than the rest that enjoyed blowing his outburst out of proportion. Equally, none of the people present would have taken on the job of being the full time carer for their partner that's slowly dying and getting worse by the day. Nothing but respect for the legend that is John Lydon - stay true, honest and human, we love you for that.
Don't forget he also raised his step daughters (Ari) children after she died , he has been lippy, confrontational...but he has also shown us how a GOOD man acts when it comes to caring about people and he definitely stepped up. I hate his political direction now but I still have mad respect for him.
@@emptyemptiness8372 yes was just going to say that also the money he has given away over the years to children’s orphanages and many children’s charities , I do like his political views he dislike’s Marxist ideology and the fools that go along with it , he explains it much better than I can
Yeah word. Now that you mention it, Johnny kinda made all those other dudes look like they weren't punk. It was more like, "Whoa, this dude is being wild. He's making me uncomfortable." Versus, "Ah yes, my old punk days. Let's throw a chair together." And who picked the interviewer? That guy was terrified, trying his damndeset to manipulate Johnny back into a confortable norm (like your typical school teacher), with his big rounded face looking soft as hell. Much respect to Marky Ramone; it seems like a good punk conference could use some tense back-and-forth.
As mentioned elsewhere, context is seriously missing here. Lydon (Rotten) had ballooned in weight and was having serious issues due to his beloved wife falling to dementia. I hope Rollins realises this now. Plus, he wasn't running around at all (see the video) and is pretty funny for much of the time.
Also his brother had cancer , and his dad died too a couple years ago.
He completely derailed the interview in a successful attempt to make it all about himself. Which is on brand, but disappointing nonetheless. When will we ever have these kinds of peers all on one room where you could get points of view from all over the punk historical spectrum, and instead it just became one man’s improv show. I know he was going through it, but it just bums me out that the moment didn’t get to happen.
That is all very sad and I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but it is overlooking the fact that John Lydon has done this all of his life.
Lydon's got genuine charisma the event would have been a complete yawn without him
@mattrussell8654 he's always been obnoxious, it was a major part of his shtick, I wouldn't necessarily class that as charisma, but different strokes for different folks
After all these years Johnny Lydon is still a Punk and loved his wife to the bitter end.
Punks don't sell out - Lydon was always a sell out pretending to be a punk
@SuperMickyChow Johnny Lydon never sold out, which is why he wasn't interested in the Sex Pistols movie. It was his ex bandmates that sold out.
Exactly!
@@Guitarcope he advertised butter ffs...
@@SuperMickyChow At least it was butter and not margarine.
Lyndon was out of line but also dealing with problems at home. Hopefully he finds peace. ❤
True but he’s a trump supporter now. No excuse for that.
@@kingofallwhiteswtf has that got to do with his wife having alzheimer's disease ? You yanks dont know shit. Hence the reason trump was your president.
@@kingofallwhiteswhy what's wrong with that
@acidbathspaandresort815 who you talking to?
@@kingofallwhitesno excuse for you vermin
Johnny was going through a lot and then and you Henry should have known that. You should be the real man that you pretend to be and set him down as a friend
Is the part about being suburban rich kids not true?
One of the things that Henry keeps saying that always makes me cringe is: "I come from the blue-collar working world." The guy had a couple of service jobs as a teenager... like every teenager does... but his father (while an asshole) was a college professor, and he's spoken about how his mother was a high-flying executive in DC. He went to a private military school. His upbringing may have sucked, but he's always been middle-class, and the punk/hard-core movement in the US was dominated by well-off, white suburban kids.
Henry forgot the part where Johnny Rotten tells him that Black Flag's music is boring.
😂😂😂
Lydon couldn't tell you the name of one Black Flag song if his wife's life depended on it. His knowledge of the US punk scene could be written on the back of a postage stamp.
@@rrbh his knowledge of the uk punk scene was also minimal at best, he was on a panel with penny from crass for 4 music and when the question about how crass fitted in with the uk punk scene he went on and on as if penny wasn't there, you could see john robb who was the chair's eyes rolling.
Lydon was not wrong.
@@lewisb85John always shitted on everyone else's music and pretended to have no influences or peers. It was part of his shtick. I'm glad he didn't let Penny talk. What kind of punk names themselves after a 19th century French fruitcake poet, starts a hippy commune, and self publishes shitty poetry? Penny was an over-the-hill hippy when Crass started. A tourist to be put in the same category as the middle class art school dropouts who ruined punk (first two Crass albums were dope though).
I can't believe I used to actually like this guy. I met him once in a Sydney rehearsal studio... I told him how much I enjoyed his short story book 'End to End'. For whatever reason?... he felt that he had to play the tough guy and put me down, by saying.. "Yeah, so what?!" I was so disappointed...I just walked away.
"iT iS wHaT iT iS!"
The reddest flag of all red flags.
marky ramone was there twice.
Marky Ramone, and Marky Ramone's wig... 2 different personalities haha...
I have a feeling, the timing looks correct, this was around the time of his wife's death after the battle with Alzheimer's. 3:08
This video was shot after his wife had passed BUT the incident Henry's speaking of regarding the Q&A was shortly before his wife passed. Johnny gets a call in the middle of the Q&A and explains his wife is very sick so he needs to take it.
"I'm good at knocking men out, it would have been really easy."
-Henry Rollins
That’s what Danzig thought too
I found the video of this event on YT th-cam.com/video/HhVZLL1pMQ0/w-d-xo.html. Rollins' description is quite distorted. Lydon isn't running around the room, he's seated the whole time. Admittedly, he's obnoxious as hell and hogs the mic somewhat, but other people get to speak too. He has a great shouting match with Marky Ramone at one point, and Ramone hilariously ranks him out Brooklyn style, which Lydon clearly enjoys. The exchange Rollins describes between himself and Lydon happens while they are sitting on the panel as part of the discussion, he doesn't walk over to him. The whole event was fun and crazy, definitely doesn't end in 10 minutes--the video is 24 minutes, and the beginning was cut so it probably ran over half an hour. Without Lydon, it would've been a total rock geezer borefest.
He called M Ramone for what he was a second edition not original member 😂 Johnny is and always as been un conformist that’s what he was displaying but at a very difficult sad time in his life and also happened to be pissed out of his mind , only a real prick would use that debate make himself feel riotous and important condemning someone worth ten of himself
Rollins is talking about the panel where they were all seated but also the instances before and after the session.
Rollins is entertaining, but I've never had any doubt that 90% of what he says is self-serving bullshit.
Lydon wears his heart and mind on his sleeve. It gets messy. At least we know it's real. I'm not sure what's real with Hank, but he certainly loves to talk about himself in flattering ways.
No one would rememeber that evening or that doc were it not for Lydon's antics. And his wife was suffering badly from Alzheimers. Give the man a break.
Quite pathetic doing some kind of lecture about the thing, at least Lydon was doing this in public with all parties there.
@@likkidixx Someone asked Henry about it, he explained his PoV, it's not that deep
Rollins version of how he reacted to events that evening is simply not true. The video is on TH-cam.
I met Johnny at one of my brothers parties back in the late 80's. He was a huge snob, and was annoying everyone. He ended up leaving after standing there by himself for a while because no one wanted to talk to him.
Funny but you hear so many different stories about Johnny...sometimes he's an absolute darling, sometimes not... I think in recent years perhaps he has become a much kinder person.
Met him 20 years ago, very off as was his even more off pal Rambo. My sister met him a couple of times in punk era London too, found him funny and interesting first time , second time his mates and him were causing bother in a Chelsea pub, different person she said. As Glen Matlock said, "funny kettle of fish is John." Aye!!
Since the normal societal expectation is friends and conversation indicate success, I'm hoping next time I go to a party no one talks to me, and maybe you haven't experienced the thrill of being truly honest with someone and not giving a shit.
@ColinMorganTeacher I make it a point to be straightforward, and honest with people. You can do that without being a prick. Funny though this video wasn't about me, so I can't understand why your comment was.
@@dougrussell1926 Because you said about Johnny, among other things, "He was a huge snob, and was annoying everyone." Now, everyone has their off days, but Johnny is also a free thinker who seems to be close to the pinnacle of not giving a shit, so maybe he realized that everyone at your brother's party were the type of assholes who would say something mean about someone and then act live a victim who was living in the righteousness of "straighforwardness"
Somehow every time I see/hear things from Henry I appreciate him more.
Oddly completely the opposite for me.
Thing I've found over time is Henry likes to embellish his stories at shows. I looked up one video he had mentioned to me after I'd seen him and saw that it was pretty far off what he had described. I pointed this out and the only thing he could reply was "thanks".
Are saying he's embellishing here?
@@WeTubule well for one example, it was actually Henry who initiated the handshake with Rotten ... check the video of the press conference
@@adamwright4135one small error on who “initiated a handshake” is apparently embellishing a story I suppose? LOL
@@AsherReedsounds like you need to look up the definition of “embellishment” LOL
Henry Rollins is a self obsessed prick
4:07 John Rambo Stevens was Lydon's lover?
Johnny is the only punk rocker on the panel
Henry is the guy who always knows more than everyone in the room.
Henry is the guy who thinks he knows more than everyone in the room
at least on music....
Just ask him
He mostly knows how to lecture and is a master of holier than thou. I appreciate him, but there's snobbishness in his act and presentation. He's not the final word on people that he judges, and he only appears to think through music itself, which is fine, but there's real people behind that music, that might be different to him.
Facts, definiltely got the fragile ego in that realm@@SenserAwe
In Henry Rollins case it's hard to decide which is worse , his music or his spoken word.
They're both brilliant
They both suck.
I think I would have acted the same as Rotten if I had to sit with Henry and his chums.
The Blonde giving Henry the googly eyes the whole time.😂😂😂
If the event was all classy and polite it wouldn't be punk.
Thanks for the vid but holy shit man: some warning for the shouting "thank you very much Henry" at the end. Had my speakers up to hear Henry! Blew my ears out.
Anyone with half an ounce of decency or understanding could tell that John was really suffering at this point. Real classy Henry...
Well, apparently he’s been suffering for 40 years, because he’s been making an ass out of himself for that long. Maybe blame his handlers and whatever friends he might have instead of a guy who was just trying get something done in a professional situation.
Is there more to this? I’d be interested in what else he had to say ❤
Punks on Pizza Podcast episode 15
Johnny is human and was going through a very hard time. Plus, alcohol just makes things worse. Forgive the man.
i watched the documentary. Jonhy Rotten was the best because he was real. The others were like the boring poppet dolls of the show business industry.
The only punk thing about Henry Rollins is when Johnny Rotten punked him live to his face and Henry sat and took it
I've seen henry since tell the story being a lot more generous to john it was a sad time as john was going through a bad time in his life wife with dementia, dad having died and brother with cancer, he hit the bottle hard to cope with it. It was just a sad and unfortunate state of affairs, I remember henry saying since that he wished he knew what he was going through.
Don't forget John's friend had just died, kieth flint from the prodgedy he wasn't him self 😢
The Sex Pistols changed my life but the second PIL album taught me a lot about being a musician...good to know Mr. Rollins holds it in some kind of esteem as well.
Even Rollins up front says he is tired of these bullshit docs, if Johnny hadn't have done that you'd remember absolutely nothing about the doc much less its fucking press tour. Also Henry and the "I can punch out guys easily", I've walked up to Henry and shook his hand, he is a tiny, tiny man with soft hands.
The worst people are old people who are literally against everything they stood for when they were young but do not realise they are .
You said it! John Lydon s a fucking MAGA now. I guess if you marry a rich lady you don't care about poop people anymore.
That is not Johnny .He realized who the establishment is has changed.
@@natemendsen1629 that's exactly what I was getting At.
@@ashd-h4911 Read ya wrong...Very good....
@@ashd-h4911 Try explaining that to people who think that punk aligns with a political ideology of any kind...
Mark Lamarr told Johnny Rotten to leave part way through an episode of Nevermind The Buzzcocks.
He said later it was such a shame because John Lydon was one of the most intelligent and kind people he'd ever met but as soon as the camera started rolling it was Johnny Rotten.
He has become a parody of himself and a slave to his anarchic image.
What's anarchic about being Trump supporter?
He’s fkn brilliant recognising trump !! Good on him and not falling for Marxist nonsense oh cool to be a leftist fake john is antiestablishment the left have become that establishment
@@iachtulhu1420 That guy who's considered a bogeyman by the entire media and political establishment but is liked by working class Americans?
Rollins is such a putz. He sat there looking scared shltless. Didn't say a word.
At least Lydon is still making music ....unlike Gay Henry.
The diference is that Lydon has no sense of ridicule!
@@Xcalator35 And Rollins is still gay.....😂
00:00 🎥 Henry Rollins shares his reluctance toward music documentaries despite being frequently asked due to his ability to articulate thoughts.
00:27 💰 Rollins agreed to be in the punk rock documentary but requested payment, tired of providing knowledge without compensation.
00:55 🎤 He attended an honor panel for the documentary in Los Angeles with various musicians, including Johnny Rotten and Marky Ramone.
01:24 🤨 Johnny Rotten disrupted the panel, behaving drunkenly and insulting others, including Iggy Pop, causing the discussion to derail within 11 minutes.
02:33 😔 Rollins refrained from confronting Rotten despite feeling sorry for his state, acknowledging Rotten's influence and impact on music.
03:29 🤝 Despite the chaos, Rollins managed a somewhat amicable interaction with Rotten, reflecting on the odd and surreal nature of the encounter.
04:13 🤷♂ Rotten's manager, apologetic for Rotten's behavior, acknowledged the situation's nature after the chaotic panel.
ngl the panel was hilarious to watch
“I almost got up..” he remembers this different every time. It’s like there isn’t footage of the whole thing to jog his memory
How would the video show whether or not he almost got up?
@@WeTubule videos show someones internal monologue dont you know that?
Henry attempting to "out" Lydon (re: his comments about Rambo) is a bit fucked up. Anyway, it's not a decision I would've made.
So, at 4:07 in, did Henry Rollins just out John Lydon? You know Henry has done stuff that is reprehensible as well, but has never been outed. Sexist, homophobic, bullying type of shit, and he didn’t have alcohol to blame for it. Which, in my opinion, is worse.
Puuuuhhhhh.
An HBO documentary about punk...Sounds like it went down exactly like it should have...
I like Rollins stuff but he doesn't need alcohol to be a dick he does it naturally at least Lydon had an excuse.
Well, Johnny's excuse is that he was drunk (more likely because he was dealing with a lot of serious issues at home)... but what was Marky Ramone's excuse? He wasn't even funny. Just obnoxious. And that wig!!! Marky Ramone's wig should have its own Instagram account. (oh wait, it does!)
He was also peak edge by saying 'f**k Trump' - how punk is that in 2019!
@@cd0u50c9 Johnny Ramone would have been mad if he was still alive hahaha
how much time take Rollins to realise Jhon situation during those days?
ITS DONITA SPARKS BTW MR. GARFIELD...
‘I’m really good at knocking men out’
Really..? Examples please? Im guessing there are none, as they’d then take you to court for all of that Gap commercial/ SOA money.
I like Henry-he’s cool as shit. But enough with the tough guy talk.
He's the opposite of cool
Johnny Rotten was the only punk that day, all the others sat there like sheeps
Johnny not letting Henry the narcissist get a word in is quite the accomplishment.
How is Henry a narcissist and Johnny isnt
Lol. The most incorrect assessment of Henry Rollins ever. Man is as humble as they come. Being confident is not being a narcissist, genius.
@@revwillyg6450 Slightly humble now days being off steroids and a shell of himself so he has no choice plus a guilty conscious about the reality of what happened to his roommate...
Johnnys a real punk not a far left leg humper that just talks nowadays. Black flag overrated af too
@@hovertrout1 you can't leave the comment there! Do tell
Who would imagine a guy named Johnny Rotten acting poorly? I mean what is this world coming to these days.
John did the most punk thing you could do.
He's rad isn't he
Being a moron? Sure
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make an ass out of yourself? i thought punk was genre of music.
That's because Johnny has something called "arete". It's a Greek word, look it up. Means "presence", strength of spirit. In the old days they would knock down walls so that a person with a big ARETE could enter a fucking room. Sorry you're jealous of Rotten's ARETE. It is what it is. His greatness will not be known again in your lifetime, and if you are stuck playing second or third fiddle on stage.....OH WELL. As much as I love ya Henry, them's just the facts.
@lrminsulMusic
I'm from Detroit (blow the reveille)!
I think you're on to something.
I loved The Pistols.
But, I never cared for Rotten! His calling R&R a _'scam'_ 'n acting like a spoiled brat all the time.
He did that years before & years after this. (2019)
So, excuses about ill spouse's & too much liquor are .......
Baudelaire used to do that! He would get drunk on wine at a crowded pub. Then, he would suddenly stand up & start *bellowing* his poems at the top of his lungs! Nobody stopped him cuz he was (ya know) "Baudelaire"!
(& he was a very large fellow as well)
So, there ya go.
- Dave B.
That's not even getting into Lydon's full-throated adoration of Trump...
So John was the only real one?
If you have somthing to say about rotten. Then you could have said it to his face that evening? Instead of bad mouthing him when he's not aroynd. And making accusations that Johnny and manager Rambo were lover's? Rollings you were like a quiet church mouse that evening.
Because Lydon had the balls to tell him that Black Flag is boring Af
Right on.
Johnny never liked to share the limelight with other bands though, and made a project of being snide to boot. After his early years he ended up quite a lot like McLaren who he apparently despised.
The man who dresses Iggy Pop. Now that's sad.
"Iggy, today, I've selected for you: no shirt and an old pair of jeans. Looking to tomorrow, the outfit will be... no shirt, and let's say... an old pair of jeans."
One of the funnier commets i read here.
John being Johnny
No human alive loves to hear their own voice more than Henry Rollins.
Thank you!!!!!!!
There is one human alive who loves to hear his own voice more than Henry Rollins. John Lydon.
I mean, there's John Lydon.
True but he wasn't there.
@@boshmow3600 I mean, it would be kind of shitty for him to accept the money and not talk.
The interview can be found on YT. It's even linked in the comments here. I think it's a good idea to watch it, and then re-watch this. The amount of exaggeration is strong in this account. There is a degree of accuracy here, but WOW ... talk about re-aligning the truth to serve your self image.
Re: all the comments/context about Nora -- Lydon had been making a drunken buffoon of himself long before she succumbed to dementia. I've defended him for decades since he had such a huge impact on my musical taste/horizons and worldview since I was 9 (in '79), and the initial reboot of PiL (live, anyway) was so surprisingly great. But he finally jumped the shark around 2012 and hasn't had a single interesting thing to say since then ("me meningitis, blah blah blah"). But pre-2012, he was still (occasionally) a force, and that 2009/2010 PiL tour proved it in spades. Sorry for Rollins and everyone else who had to witness that sorry spectacle.
Henry seems likes a bit of a boner here, he's really exaggerating some of the events that transpired at that talk.
"I've got a lot of experience knocking men out"... That's a pretty gimpy thing for Henry to be saying :/
I wish people would learn to mic level on their videos!
One can only take so much of HR
RIP ANGEL 💔
PHILADELPHIA USA 🇺🇲
I saw this n Johnny was pissed n taking the piss out of everybody...I love the pistols n PiL metal box / flowers...like Henry says Let's NOT end up like him...
johnny the true punk, the others outa touch, still don`t realizse what happened on that day.