thanks David, really appreciate it. I've said it before.... I'm a DP before being a YTer, I'm here to share my true and honest DP experience with the gear I use.
This is a brilliant demonstration of the camera’s ISO performance, and the exposure choices you need to make. Thank you very much, I’ve learned a huge amount. I am now clicking ‘subscribe’!
You are by far the best when it comes to camera reviews, so much detail and perfect presentation!! You should do the mega comparison of speedboosted BMPCC 4K / BMPCC 6K / A7 sIII / S5 / XT3 / R6 / R5 for dynamic range, noise and when it falls apart in grading, and your toughts :) that would surely be highly appreciated by many many people!
A few things here - The dual ISO is not designed totally for the noise level, if you look at the same ISO system used on a Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 4K, they include a chart and explain the reasoning - which is to retain dynamic range into higher ISO settings. And in the video you raised the exposure without saying how you raised the exposure. Aperture or shutters speed etc. will raise the exposure and allow more light - but if you ETTR and use ISO - you are not allowing more light, you are raising the gain on the same amount of light, which produces another factor of noise. I realize you had the ISO at 3200 for your side by side, but changing aperture depending on the lens might be part of the reason for a cleaner image in the mids. The 10 bit in V-log should give you more latitude for getting a cleaner image in the midtones when compensating in post. When people raise the blacks they are not completely aware of the fact that shadow detail is also lost. Shadow detail is part of the dynamic range and is tossed aside by a lot of people to accommodate noise suppression.
@@CINENIMUS How so? ISO is after the sensor. Exposure is actual light hitting the sensor. Instead of telling people to use their head, maybe try to articulate what I said into your personal opinion or view of it, in a technical response. And also consider that a lot of people buying and using this camera, are shooting video. So shutter speed is usually not part of the equation in exposure.
Very useful information! Various questions that were created during the video, you explained them in the next frame and in great detail! I urge you to continue this wonderful work and give us your help.
Fantastic experiment, thanx. In higher ISO dynamic range shifts to allocate more of itself above the middle gray (in compare with Lower or base ISO s ) , all digital sensors are like that, even Venice and Alexa. it's counter intuitive, one thnks "oh, higher ISO must produce better lit shadows" , but no. Under intense sun light it's best to raise the ISO. Weird but true.
Your videos are definitely the best in terms of clear and precise explanation, I am very happy to have stumbled across your channel, keep up the excellent work sir!
Great video! I great advice about exposing to the right. A lot of DPs swear by underexposing and never clipping the highlights but I've noticed on my GH5 that it's hard to bring back the blacks than the whites, so I tend to overexpose one or two stops to gain details in the shadows and only underexposed if there is a lot of sky or blown out windows in frame
Thanks Trayne for the support... yeah ETTR is a solution to such scenario, keep in mind it's not the solution for everything, ETTL would work in other scenarios. SO other DPs are correct as well. it all depends on your scene. Here I was mainly referring to the noise issue and its solution.
As always, you're videos are super informative. Would these test results apply equally to the S1H? Thanks for your efforts with these TH-cam channels. Keep up the great work.
Really helpful video Sherif! These cameras are performing pretty well as Full HD cameras in my opinion... For 4K resolution, you can only film in Aps-c to get a consistent look, but then you have to deal with the noise...But I still enjoy my S1 :D
@@ratadeldesierto760 there are quite a bit of compromises, like moiré, noise compression, true 4K instead of downsampled 6K signal, RGB readout, light gathering, lens distortion/vignette, and probably more stuff that I'm forgetting... This is what you compromise when you swap from a full frame to aps-c sensor readout, and to my eyes it's a big mess...if it's fine for you, then I'm really happy for you. I'm really happy to work in Full-HD and upscale to 4K in post if I need to use slowmotion.
Whats your choice on A7siii vs S5 ? I just switched from Sony A7sii, A7iii to Panasonic S1, just hate the Sony 8bit color and poor color science, but now seems the world has changed a lot. Most of my video job will have proper lighting, not in a large scale but good enough. Cheers mate! Support you always. Best videography technique channel ever!
Thanks for the kind words... well A7SIII is technically a higher level camera than S5. MUCH better AF... MUCH higher FPS at 4k FF. So yeah, if you have the cash, then I'd go A7SIII, ONLY if you don't care about Photo resolution. I still gotta test it... but so far, from the trusted sources i know, they rave about it
@@THEDPJOURNEY Thx mate, finally I got the S1H, happy with it now ! S1H as a main camera then the S1 will be the B-cam Maybe selling the S1 to get a S5 as B cam
As everyone else has said, this video is GREAT and extremely informative with the tests that you have done and the visualizations are superb!!!... Now, for a functional question, have you tested the noise when it is BELOW ISO 640? Many people say that you should set your ISO as low as possible for the cleanest images and I was wondering what your testing shows with these same methods? I am looking for that data that shows that if you have enough light, does it make any difference to shoot below ISO 640 to get even cleaner images / video? I typically shoot video outdoors in bright sunlight and would like to know if I can use that extra light to my advantage by shooting at an even lower ISO (like 100) and use my light to make other more useful changes like higher shutter speed, higher F-stop for more deeper focus?
What can I say? Super helpful! Panasonic recommends (on the S1H) that you should expose so middle gray is 42 ire on the Luminance spot meter. Exposing to the upper half of the screen what would you estimate the middle gray IRE should be---or should you worry so much about that? Since the S5 and the S1H share the same full frame sensor should exposure be the same insofar as you have control of it on the S5? Thanks so much! Your videos are really, REALLY great.
I know this is predominantly an ISO test, but did you consider the impact of Dual ISO on dynamic range? The scene at 3:10 would have been interesting to see at ISO4000 too, as theoretically you would have had less noise and not clipped the highlights. However, in practice I’m not sure if that’s how it’s come out. I’ve always seen the main benefit of the second ISO circuit being the dynamic range being closer to the base ISO level. Would love to see a test
CineD guys Lab Tested the S1H sensor, which is the same sensor here, and they concluded there's no loss in DR switching between High and Low ISO Gain settings. Here's more about it: th-cam.com/video/VvESkUi1TRw/w-d-xo.html
The DP Journey oh that’s surprising, I thought circuit 1 and 2 had same dynamic range at their native bases, but got progressively worse as they increased.
@@walrusgumboot I think 4000 should have more dynamic range than 3200, because there's less information appearing as noise, and more information appearing as useable range.
Fantastic video once again Sherif! I'm looking to move to a 1st full-frame mirrorless camera as a videographer, would you say the AF tracking on the S5 is a massive issue for anything other than just casual video? I personally think the 4k 10bit 4:2:2, IBIS and firmware updates ticks many boxes but I'm not sure. The A7SIII is perfect but I can't justify the price when I can buy the S5 and build a decent lens range.
Hi Man, great video. Could you compare the Full hd slow mo 100-180 fps quality with gh5/gh5s? As I spotted in the spec sheet full hd S&Q mode is limited just to 28 Mbps...
Hopefully some of this stuff can be ironed out with firmware update. Panasonic have given decent support with firmware updates in the past. Thanks for these tips good to know when I start using the camera.
Amazing Content! Best review of S5 after I have seen a lot... one question, which would be the higest IRE when you can recover the highligts? I would like to be at the edge of the right. Thank you!!
Well anything higher than 100 clips anyway in all cameras, unless you're shooting RAW or HLG which has a different scale. I will need to confirm it for you... but Panasonic claimed it's +6 stops
I'm loving this S5 intel.. for the record, I'm 99% ready to drop one in my shopping cart.. but still teased by Z6s (to be announced) and XT-4.. someone please help me not over-analyze this and lose free 45mm prime for ordering early!
AF is not good ... it won't ever be as long as it's only contrast based AF. If you can live with that, I'd trust the Panasonic more than the overheating Canon offerings.
Same here. If you can live without good AF, the Panasonics offer great colour, superb dynamic range and incredible ISO performance. I recently shot at 16.000 ISO during the night, people were only illuminated by some lampions at VLOG (something you aren't supposed to do). And the results looked absolutely stunning!
@@LeoLikesVideos Totally.. that *live without good AF* thing is a big deal. I eventually came across a review that demonstrated that the S5 really only performs adequately for video AF in crop mode. Otherwise it was quite discouraging. I decided to cancel my pre-order w/B&H and picked up another m43 (G9) body and lenses and might return to this in another year or so. I wasn't ready to start investing heavy in L glass with the dubious AF. But, the low light performance of S5 and dynamic range are stellar.. I'm going to miss that for sure.
As usual, the review is a masterpiece! I have S5 for few weeks and still learning it.But i've actually compared 4K60 420 10 bit and FHD 60 422 10 bit and the second option looks better to me. What i'm thinking...theoretically if you shoot in FHD 60 422 10 bit and then upscale it to 4k you will get same noise particles as in 4K60 420 10 Bit, but you will have wider field of view and much brighter picture, because when in APSC mode it gets darker. So for the same night scene you won't have rise up ISO so much as in APSC mode which will eventually result in less noise:))) What do you think? Am i right or am i wrong?
If youre aiming for better noise, more light and wider fov, then yes, you're not wrong. But 4k will always have more detail than FHD, unless youre shooting raw FHD. Why don't just use 4k 24? That mode doesn't have crop isn't it? And use the FHD60/ 4k60 for slowmo (24fps timeline) I could be wrong, since i don't own the s5. But i will someday tho 😅
This video was absolutely fantastic thank you for making it. I think it applies to the s5ii as well this has been my findings. What about CineD? I find it completely handles noise in shadows way better than vlog which I understand is the camera doing noise reduction, but do you have any idea what kind of dynamic range it's providing?
This video is great. I wonder though, with the house and door example, you increase the exposure on the same iso, which is a good example to understand things, but in the real world usually we are at a high ISO because we can't increase the exposure in any other way. So my question is, when you have a dark image and you need to increase iso, is it better not to push iso too much, or better to push it and then reduce the exposure in post? because that's the decision I can actually make when filming and I'm already wide open with no ND on.
Great video. I just subscribed to your channel. Really informative. In the example provided, How were you able to expose +3 stops (from -2 to +1) without changing your ISO? Did you open your aperture? Thanks
@@THEDPJOURNEY I’m not sure I follow on this one. Wouldn’t Increasing the EV effect the shutter speed and the aputure? What if you don’t have any wiggle room left. Can you please clarify 🙏 Also a huge thank you for you content, it’s amazing. You are a true hidden gem.
I would buy a Panasonic in a heartbeat if they had Sony quality AF. I don't understand why they still use the oldest tech. I'm sure they have the ability to make it happen, but for some reason they don't.
I always learn something new in your videos despite having watch a lot of reviews etc on the s5. Thanks :-) But, I have a question, you explain that APS-C is more noisey as using less pixels, so bigger noise particles. So my question is why then does the a7siii with only 12 MP have less noise? I am pretty sure I am missing something simple here.
First thank yo so much for the compliment... To answer your question... First, the A7SIII "having less noise" is not accurate I would say, it's more like it has a higher noise threshold. Meaning noise shows on it much later than other cameras. Which is due mainly to what I explained here: th-cam.com/video/Obxsa2mIqRg/w-d-xo.html Second, it's not really that "less noise" the noise particles in it look much bigger than the A7III for example, and it doesnt perform that much better either thant he A7III. Check this comparison: th-cam.com/video/UhY0ce-OfKc/w-d-xo.html Hope that helps
Thank you very informative video! How to turn off auto iso and set to 640/4000 when recording video.. It automatically sets to auto iso when recording video ..
I am wondering whether to get 2 of these S5s as really I need a backup body or b-cam and cannot afford the S1H - unless second-hand possibly. My current setup involves a couple of GH4s and a GX80 for wide shots, so anything will be an improvement in the low-light stakes......but just wondering if I should just buy ONE S5 and wait to see whether there is an improved model......or else try for a cheap second-hand S1H (which will most likely have to be off ebay with no warranty)....anyone else having the same dilemma?
@UnraveledJA in this test it was about finding the performance of the sensor while keeping the lens as a constant. That’s why I didn’t change the aperture. It’s a technical test rather than a filmmaking technique tip in other words. With that said, for static objects, I won’t worry about the shutter angle, that only matters for moving aubjects
The DP Journey do you mind clarifying what you explain between second 30 and second 40? Because, if I understand correctly, you’re saying that the S5, unlike the S1H, changes ISO from 640 to 4000 automatically. My S1H does that too, but ISO is not set on auto. When I switch from low to high, it will automatically switch from 640 to 4000. Probably I missed something in your explanation. Thank you!
In the S5, it switches automatically to the high gain setting after 3200 to choose 4000. While in the S1H when you reach 4000 on it, you can still be on the low gain ISO without switching to the high. Hope that makes sense
The DP Journey it does. I get it now, clever so the camera avoids potential noise. I have shot a feature with the S1H and I’m carrying the S5 as a B-cam in Brazil for my last scene in a month time.
Would this equally apply to photography with the S5? Using V-Log profile at ISO 4000 will yield the widest dynamic range for low light image capture? ISO 640 would achieve the same for using the Normal profile? Now I’m really confused as I thought RAW photos are unaffected by picture profiles? 🤔 Sorry for my confusion.
Don't use V-Log for photos. You are just giving yourself a long convoluted workflow for no reason. You will need to boost exposure, match colours, etc. And be restricted to ISO 640 minimum. Instead, start with the Photo Style that suits your desired end. I use Natural, but Vivid is good too. The RAW files can still be manipulated as much as you like.
@@RobinParmar thanks for that reply, it’s the conclusion I came to after a quick exploration of photographically capturing a variety of scenes in all the different profiles. I’m now on either Flat with sharpness and contrast at -2 or Natural with saturation at -2. I’m using all vintage glass too. Thanks again for the reply, it’s much appreciated.
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Unlike many "Tubers" you got integrity to say the truth and not drop videos for clicks! Respect!!!
thanks David, really appreciate it. I've said it before.... I'm a DP before being a YTer, I'm here to share my true and honest DP experience with the gear I use.
Came here for the S5 lowlight and left with the best lesson in exposure
Really happy to hear that!! Welcome aboard
These graphics are accually insanely good
Thanks, Really appreciate it
Your spelling of actually is actually wrong
Couldn't agree more! Would you mind sharing how you created them?
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This is a brilliant demonstration of the camera’s ISO performance, and the exposure choices you need to make. Thank you very much, I’ve learned a huge amount. I am now clicking ‘subscribe’!
Welcome aboard Karl... Thanks again
I´m blown away by quality of information and visualisation here! Wow 👀👌 Thank you for this amount of work and superb production!
You are by far the best when it comes to camera reviews, so much detail and perfect presentation!! You should do the mega comparison of speedboosted BMPCC 4K / BMPCC 6K / A7 sIII / S5 / XT3 / R6 / R5 for dynamic range, noise and when it falls apart in grading, and your toughts :) that would surely be highly appreciated by many many people!
THANKS for your awesome comment! WOW... that’s truly a MEGA comparison... I’ll see what I can do.. but it’s hard to get all these cameras I gotta say
Oh yes please. That sounds very good. Please do it! I will subscribe!
Extremely good video! Thanks for all the work that went into this. Very clear and helpful!
Glad i can help. Thanks for watching
Everyone needs to see this! I found this too in my own tests with the GH5s. Glad you went out of the way to prove it
Instant subscription!!!! Cant now listen to others that just read what is out there as oppose to analyzing like you do. Respect!
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A few things here - The dual ISO is not designed totally for the noise level, if you look at the same ISO system used on a Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 4K, they include a chart and explain the reasoning - which is to retain dynamic range into higher ISO settings. And in the video you raised the exposure without saying how you raised the exposure. Aperture or shutters speed etc. will raise the exposure and allow more light - but if you ETTR and use ISO - you are not allowing more light, you are raising the gain on the same amount of light, which produces another factor of noise. I realize you had the ISO at 3200 for your side by side, but changing aperture depending on the lens might be part of the reason for a cleaner image in the mids. The 10 bit in V-log should give you more latitude for getting a cleaner image in the midtones when compensating in post. When people raise the blacks they are not completely aware of the fact that shadow detail is also lost. Shadow detail is part of the dynamic range and is tossed aside by a lot of people to accommodate noise suppression.
I think you missed the point there a but OK. Just replying here in case people reading too much into your comment. Remember peeps - use your own head.
I used shutter speed to control exposure, to take away the lens influence out of the equation
@@THEDPJOURNEY could do with an update of “what’s in my bag 2023 edition” 😎👌
So where does 709like profile sits? Normal? Cine?
@@CINENIMUS How so? ISO is after the sensor. Exposure is actual light hitting the sensor. Instead of telling people to use their head, maybe try to articulate what I said into your personal opinion or view of it, in a technical response. And also consider that a lot of people buying and using this camera, are shooting video. So shutter speed is usually not part of the equation in exposure.
Always coming back to re-inform myself how I should work with my S5!
Always a pleasure to have you back
Another polished presentation from TDPJ. Virtually in a class by himself.
Brilliant! Love your your channel brother
Thanks, much appreciated
This is the best ISO test and explanation I have ever seen . I just got a S5 to be cam for my FS5 and is amazing .
Keep it up !
the best reviews So Much
thank you so much for the tests. I trust you the most when it comes to these things!
Thank you so much for trusting my opinions, happy to help as always
Very useful information! Various questions that were created during the video, you explained them in the next frame and in great detail! I urge you to continue this wonderful work and give us your help.
Thank you so much Aris for the support. Happy you liked the channel. More to come very soon
invaluable help and explanation why exposure to the right makes sense here - thanks 1000 times!
My absolute pleasure
Fantastic experiment, thanx. In higher ISO dynamic range shifts to allocate more of itself above the middle gray (in compare with Lower or base ISO s ) , all digital sensors are like that, even Venice and Alexa. it's counter intuitive, one thnks "oh, higher ISO must produce better lit shadows" , but no. Under intense sun light it's best to raise the ISO. Weird but true.
Great point!
This video blows me away. Awesome job! Instant subscription. Keep up the good work.
Your videos are definitely the best in terms of clear and precise explanation, I am very happy to have stumbled across your channel, keep up the excellent work sir!
Thank you so much for the support and the kind words. Happy to have you onboard
Very clear and didactic video. Your motion design is great.
Thanks. Really glad to have you onboard
Great video! I great advice about exposing to the right. A lot of DPs swear by underexposing and never clipping the highlights but I've noticed on my GH5 that it's hard to bring back the blacks than the whites, so I tend to overexpose one or two stops to gain details in the shadows and only underexposed if there is a lot of sky or blown out windows in frame
Thanks Trayne for the support... yeah ETTR is a solution to such scenario, keep in mind it's not the solution for everything, ETTL would work in other scenarios. SO other DPs are correct as well. it all depends on your scene. Here I was mainly referring to the noise issue and its solution.
Perfect introduction and guideline for S5 user like me. Thx a lot for sharing!
As always, you're videos are super informative. Would these test results apply equally to the S1H?
Thanks for your efforts with these TH-cam channels. Keep up the great work.
Thanks David, I can't 100% confirm since I sold my S1H, but to a certain extend yes this applies
I love your attention to detail. Nice video!
Thank you very much!
Thanks for your testing.
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Very, very cool video.
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Thank you for the follow up and valuable info👍
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Man you are so damn good. Thanks for your sharing, very useful and very enjoyable to watch.
Really helpful video Sherif!
These cameras are performing pretty well as Full HD cameras in my opinion...
For 4K resolution, you can only film in Aps-c to get a consistent look,
but then you have to deal with the noise...But I still enjoy my S1 :D
What is a consistent look? The IQ does not drop too much in Aps-c and you get beautiful results. You can compensate the crop fractor with wider lenses
@@ratadeldesierto760 there are quite a bit of compromises, like moiré, noise compression, true 4K instead of downsampled 6K signal, RGB readout, light gathering, lens distortion/vignette, and probably more stuff that I'm forgetting...
This is what you compromise when you swap from a full frame to aps-c sensor readout, and to my eyes it's a big mess...if it's fine for you, then I'm really happy for you. I'm really happy to work in Full-HD and upscale to 4K in post if I need to use slowmotion.
S1 is a slightly better version of the S5 I would say... the new AF in the S5 will come to S1 soon anyway. S5 won't be for you I guess
this channel is so fucking great... Good stuff man!
Absolutely Brilliant analysis work. I will try your methodology on my Sigma Fp. Thank you kindly. Have a wonderful day.
Should have way more subscribers. Great videos.
Thanks Darren, really appreciate it. I’m very grateful for having awesome supporters like you that organically grow the channel
Thanks for the info. Great to know as I have one ordered.
Glad to help
I moved from APSC with no regrets especially with the low light capabilities.
Amazing and so useful thank you for making this. I liked and subscribed
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Great work!
Very cool video with great useful information. Thanks for your work!
Amazing content, straight to the point
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Excellent video Sherif (ETTR ha ?😅)
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Great job and perfect explanation... Thx so much 👍
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Good video as always
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It would be nice to see this video updated for the s5ii
Whats your choice on A7siii vs S5 ? I just switched from Sony A7sii, A7iii to Panasonic S1, just hate the Sony 8bit color and poor color science, but now seems the world has changed a lot. Most of my video job will have proper lighting, not in a large scale but good enough. Cheers mate! Support you always. Best videography technique channel ever!
Thanks for the kind words... well A7SIII is technically a higher level camera than S5. MUCH better AF... MUCH higher FPS at 4k FF. So yeah, if you have the cash, then I'd go A7SIII, ONLY if you don't care about Photo resolution. I still gotta test it... but so far, from the trusted sources i know, they rave about it
@@THEDPJOURNEY Thx mate, finally I got the S1H, happy with it now ! S1H as a main camera then the S1 will be the B-cam
Maybe selling the S1 to get a S5 as B cam
Damn this short video is really packed with knowledge and no BS at all! A new sub here, sir! Thank you so much for this!
Thank you so much for the kind words and welcome aboard
As everyone else has said, this video is GREAT and extremely informative with the tests that you have done and the visualizations are superb!!!... Now, for a functional question, have you tested the noise when it is BELOW ISO 640? Many people say that you should set your ISO as low as possible for the cleanest images and I was wondering what your testing shows with these same methods? I am looking for that data that shows that if you have enough light, does it make any difference to shoot below ISO 640 to get even cleaner images / video? I typically shoot video outdoors in bright sunlight and would like to know if I can use that extra light to my advantage by shooting at an even lower ISO (like 100) and use my light to make other more useful changes like higher shutter speed, higher F-stop for more deeper focus?
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What can I say? Super helpful!
Panasonic recommends (on the S1H) that you should expose so middle gray is 42 ire on the Luminance spot meter.
Exposing to the upper half of the screen what would you estimate the middle gray IRE should be---or should you worry so much about that?
Since the S5 and the S1H share the same full frame sensor should exposure be the same insofar as you have control of it on the S5?
Thanks so much! Your videos are really, REALLY great.
OHHHHH. Now I see why FF have lower noise.THX
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Good review
I know this is predominantly an ISO test, but did you consider the impact of Dual ISO on dynamic range? The scene at 3:10 would have been interesting to see at ISO4000 too, as theoretically you would have had less noise and not clipped the highlights. However, in practice I’m not sure if that’s how it’s come out. I’ve always seen the main benefit of the second ISO circuit being the dynamic range being closer to the base ISO level. Would love to see a test
CineD guys Lab Tested the S1H sensor, which is the same sensor here, and they concluded there's no loss in DR switching between High and Low ISO Gain settings. Here's more about it: th-cam.com/video/VvESkUi1TRw/w-d-xo.html
The DP Journey cool thank you! So does that mean in your example, 4000 would have had more dynamic range than 3200?
No they should have the same
The DP Journey oh that’s surprising, I thought circuit 1 and 2 had same dynamic range at their native bases, but got progressively worse as they increased.
@@walrusgumboot I think 4000 should have more dynamic range than 3200, because there's less information appearing as noise, and more information appearing as useable range.
Fantastic video once again Sherif! I'm looking to move to a 1st full-frame mirrorless camera as a videographer, would you say the AF tracking on the S5 is a massive issue for anything other than just casual video? I personally think the 4k 10bit 4:2:2, IBIS and firmware updates ticks many boxes but I'm not sure.
The A7SIII is perfect but I can't justify the price when I can buy the S5 and build a decent lens range.
For "casual" use... it's totally fine. i'm working on an Episode about the AF in all cases. Stay tuned
@@THEDPJOURNEY Ahh okay
Looking forward to that video dropping!
excellent explination
Hi Man, great video. Could you compare the Full hd slow mo 100-180 fps quality with gh5/gh5s? As I spotted in the spec sheet full hd S&Q mode is limited just to 28 Mbps...
Sure let me see what i can do
@The DP Journey @moonlit films still no answer for this ? :(
Very usefull info thanks
Hopefully some of this stuff can be ironed out with firmware update. Panasonic have given decent support with firmware updates in the past. Thanks for these tips good to know when I start using the camera.
Amazing Content! Best review of S5 after I have seen a lot... one question, which would be the higest IRE when you can recover the highligts? I would like to be at the edge of the right.
Thank you!!
Well anything higher than 100 clips anyway in all cameras, unless you're shooting RAW or HLG which has a different scale. I will need to confirm it for you... but Panasonic claimed it's +6 stops
Omg need this episode for a7siii
in the making as we speak ;)
I'm loving this S5 intel.. for the record, I'm 99% ready to drop one in my shopping cart.. but still teased by Z6s (to be announced) and XT-4.. someone please help me not over-analyze this and lose free 45mm prime for ordering early!
AF is not good ... it won't ever be as long as it's only contrast based AF. If you can live with that, I'd trust the Panasonic more than the overheating Canon offerings.
Same here. If you can live without good AF, the Panasonics offer great colour, superb dynamic range and incredible ISO performance. I recently shot at 16.000 ISO during the night, people were only illuminated by some lampions at VLOG (something you aren't supposed to do). And the results looked absolutely stunning!
@@LeoLikesVideos Totally.. that *live without good AF* thing is a big deal. I eventually came across a review that demonstrated that the S5 really only performs adequately for video AF in crop mode. Otherwise it was quite discouraging. I decided to cancel my pre-order w/B&H and picked up another m43 (G9) body and lenses and might return to this in another year or so. I wasn't ready to start investing heavy in L glass with the dubious AF. But, the low light performance of S5 and dynamic range are stellar.. I'm going to miss that for sure.
As usual, the review is a masterpiece! I have S5 for few weeks and still learning it.But i've actually compared 4K60 420 10 bit and FHD 60 422 10 bit and the second option looks better to me. What i'm thinking...theoretically if you shoot in FHD 60 422 10 bit and then upscale it to 4k you will get same noise particles as in 4K60 420 10 Bit, but you will have wider field of view and much brighter picture, because when in APSC mode it gets darker. So for the same night scene you won't have rise up ISO so much as in APSC mode which will eventually result in less noise:))) What do you think? Am i right or am i wrong?
If youre aiming for better noise, more light and wider fov, then yes, you're not wrong. But 4k will always have more detail than FHD, unless youre shooting raw FHD. Why don't just use 4k 24? That mode doesn't have crop isn't it? And use the FHD60/ 4k60 for slowmo (24fps timeline)
I could be wrong, since i don't own the s5. But i will someday tho 😅
When you say you brought it up 3 stops 3:50 what mechanism did you use to do that? Just widen the aperture?
No i only used the shutter speed/angle to retain the DOF and ISO intact
@@THEDPJOURNEY Thank you
This video was absolutely fantastic thank you for making it.
I think it applies to the s5ii as well this has been my findings.
What about CineD? I find it completely handles noise in shadows way better than vlog which I understand is the camera doing noise reduction, but do you have any idea what kind of dynamic range it's providing?
Super educatieve video.This means that we will shoot with 640 iso in the light environment. In the dark environment, we will shoot with a 4000 iso ?
This video is great. I wonder though, with the house and door example, you increase the exposure on the same iso, which is a good example to understand things, but in the real world usually we are at a high ISO because we can't increase the exposure in any other way. So my question is, when you have a dark image and you need to increase iso, is it better not to push iso too much, or better to push it and then reduce the exposure in post? because that's the decision I can actually make when filming and I'm already wide open with no ND on.
Great video. I just subscribed to your channel. Really informative. In the example provided, How were you able to expose +3 stops (from -2 to +1) without changing your ISO? Did you open your aperture? Thanks
Thank you for your support and welcome onboard. I increased the EV using shutter angle
@@THEDPJOURNEY I’m not sure I follow on this one. Wouldn’t Increasing the EV effect the shutter speed and the aputure? What if you don’t have any wiggle room left. Can you please clarify 🙏 Also a huge thank you for you content, it’s amazing. You are a true hidden gem.
I would buy a Panasonic in a heartbeat if they had Sony quality AF. I don't understand why they still use the oldest tech. I'm sure they have the ability to make it happen, but for some reason they don't.
Does the EV button work in video mode?
Great video, love the detail. Are the charts / diagrams available in pdf?
What should I set the zebras to for overexposure in V-Log to know what is clipping?
Thanks....👍🏼
No problem 👍
THANKS
You're welcome!
I always learn something new in your videos despite having watch a lot of reviews etc on the s5. Thanks :-) But, I have a question, you explain that APS-C is more noisey as using less pixels, so bigger noise particles. So my question is why then does the a7siii with only 12 MP have less noise? I am pretty sure I am missing something simple here.
First thank yo so much for the compliment...
To answer your question... First, the A7SIII "having less noise" is not accurate I would say, it's more like it has a higher noise threshold. Meaning noise shows on it much later than other cameras.
Which is due mainly to what I explained here: th-cam.com/video/Obxsa2mIqRg/w-d-xo.html
Second, it's not really that "less noise" the noise particles in it look much bigger than the A7III for example, and it doesnt perform that much better either thant he A7III. Check this comparison: th-cam.com/video/UhY0ce-OfKc/w-d-xo.html
Hope that helps
Great video! Have you compared HLG to Vlog? I always shot in HLG on my GH5 because it was cleaner. Wondering if its the same on the s5?
In HLG the darker areas are treated as natural non-HDR signal. So it is understandable that there is more information and fewer noise in the darks.
Thank you very informative video!
How to turn off auto iso and set to 640/4000 when recording video..
It automatically sets to auto iso when recording video ..
On the S5 it’s always on auto. No manual option available
@@THEDPJOURNEY and also what is POST mean at 03:58
@@nostalgia_box post production, in this case is color grading
Interesting
great video, i hope Panasonic appreciates it. Do you have similar "best practice" for S1H?
Thanks for the support. Yeah maybe I’ll try and work on one for the S1H
The DP Journey rhx! waiting for the tips and trick and hoping that in 2021 s1h will have better AF, at least for interviews
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I am wondering whether to get 2 of these S5s as really I need a backup body or b-cam and cannot afford the S1H - unless second-hand possibly. My current setup involves a couple of GH4s and a GX80 for wide shots, so anything will be an improvement in the low-light stakes......but just wondering if I should just buy ONE S5 and wait to see whether there is an improved model......or else try for a cheap second-hand S1H (which will most likely have to be off ebay with no warranty)....anyone else having the same dilemma?
Can you make a full review video on FUJI XT3
Will see what i can do
Question brother , how did u raise your exposure by 3 stop , were u using a nd filter, trying to fully understand your explanation , respect.
Shutter angle. Thanks
ok, so arn't you concerned about the 180 rules , interms of motions blur?@@THEDPJOURNEY
@UnraveledJA in this test it was about finding the performance of the sensor while keeping the lens as a constant. That’s why I didn’t change the aperture. It’s a technical test rather than a filmmaking technique tip in other words.
With that said, for static objects, I won’t worry about the shutter angle, that only matters for moving aubjects
well said , repeat !!@@THEDPJOURNEY
i dont get the "switches automatically" part of the iso. You cant manually select the iso you want??
Does this apply to the S1 and S1h as well?
Theoretically it should since they share the same sensor... but gotta test it to confirm this
@@THEDPJOURNEY thank you
Will you make this test for the mark2?
My S1H also switches from 640 to 4000 when I change from low to high ISO.
Perhaps your camera is a pre-production model?
no you probably have that option set to auto. You can switch it to manual
The DP Journey do you mind clarifying what you explain between second 30 and second 40? Because, if I understand correctly, you’re saying that the S5, unlike the S1H, changes ISO from 640 to 4000 automatically.
My S1H does that too, but ISO is not set on auto. When I switch from low to high, it will automatically switch from 640 to 4000.
Probably I missed something in your explanation.
Thank you!
In the S5, it switches automatically to the high gain setting after 3200 to choose 4000. While in the S1H when you reach 4000 on it, you can still be on the low gain ISO without switching to the high. Hope that makes sense
The DP Journey it does. I get it now, clever so the camera avoids potential noise. I have shot a feature with the S1H and I’m carrying the S5 as a B-cam in Brazil for my last scene in a month time.
Tnx for video. Please, tell me. So for best dynamic range what iso I must use ? 4000 ?
Haven’t tested thoroughly but Both native ISOs perform the same when it comes to DR to my eyes
Hi, thank you for all this info. :( i dont use vlog, i dont like to grade. I use NATURAL ¿Whats the native iso for natural? :)
A73 vs S5 which one is better in low light. Which one shall I buy as a bigginer ??
Would this equally apply to photography with the S5? Using V-Log profile at ISO 4000 will yield the widest dynamic range for low light image capture? ISO 640 would achieve the same for using the Normal profile? Now I’m really confused as I thought RAW photos are unaffected by picture profiles? 🤔 Sorry for my confusion.
Don't use V-Log for photos. You are just giving yourself a long convoluted workflow for no reason. You will need to boost exposure, match colours, etc. And be restricted to ISO 640 minimum. Instead, start with the Photo Style that suits your desired end. I use Natural, but Vivid is good too. The RAW files can still be manipulated as much as you like.
@@RobinParmar thanks for that reply, it’s the conclusion I came to after a quick exploration of photographically capturing a variety of scenes in all the different profiles. I’m now on either Flat with sharpness and contrast at -2 or Natural with saturation at -2. I’m using all vintage glass too. Thanks again for the reply, it’s much appreciated.