Why MACE WINDU was Actually a lot Colder than MF’s Realise: Star Wars Tactical Breakdowns #4
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:46 High General
2:30 The Vaapad Circuit
6:13 Swift and Deadly
9:15 Outro - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
Mace: "we Jedi are keepers of the peace, not soldiers"
Palpetine: "didn't you cut somebody's head off once?"
Mace: "motherf***er was pretty goddamn peaceful after that"
Hahahahahhahahhaha
Well he's not wrong
This comment is gold
Kenobi addresses Sheave: Well hello there. I am gonna dismember your Chad without remorse!!
@@xTK421x sheev*
Glad someone is giving Windu the credit he deserves he wasn’t the nicest person but he is by no means a bad character
Definitely!
Tough love
Windu one of my favorites lol
Windu would’ve Sam L Jackson B slapped Anakin into his seat if it was 1v1
@@Professional_street_hustler How big is your ounce?
It's honestly amazing that Windu didn't fall to the Dark Side with how much he flirted with it throughout his life. Always walking that fine line.
Because his style doesn't use ones own darkness but the darkness of your enemy
@@novatheboss2 that form is also one that makes the user prone to falling to the dark side.
@@Positive-Vibes-77 that is a side effect since your still handling the dark side even if it's not your own
@@Positive-Vibes-77 That is very true and also why the Jedi Order forbid Jedi from practicing it without special permission because most would be unable to use the form without falling to the Dark Side, Mace is one of the rare exceptions that could do it which is why he got to learn the form.
He was just built different 😂
Still my favourite scene in all of the Clone Wars is when Mace Windu saves the clone trooper stuck in the AT-TE walker by shattering the glass. It’s such a cool Easter egg and nod to his shatterpoint ability
I agree. That is an incredible scene!
It was a weak representation of shatter point, but ok. I always imagined shatter point being used on 5 feet of reinforced concrete or beskar or something other than superheated sand. BUT, the situation called for quick thinking on the fly with no time to chuck a rock at glass. (safety glass to be fair would need more than a rock, bullet proof?...shatter point.)
@@xTK421x it would make more sense if his shatter point allowed him to see how to break into the at te shatter point I thought had to do with Windu being able to see thru ppls weaknesses and how to use it against them
@@jeambeam3173 He developed Vapod- The ability to absorb dark side power and return it back to a dark side attacker as a defensive attack**. That may not be correct....think beskar trampoline for a metaphor.(in Wing Chun we use simultaneous attack and defense, so defensive attack sounds odd to me, as would the writing like here)
after re-reading your comment you do indeed get shatter point.
I always found it ironic how similar Anakin and Mace Windu are
Considering how he treated Anakin Skywalker, Boba Fett, and Ahsoka Tano, a lot of MFs already think Mace Windu is pretty cold.
Mace windy was an amazing duelist and deserves more rep for that
Agreed
Agreed. He beat Palpatine fair and square.
@@geetslys Windu was a very different general in a war room than on the battlefield
Y’all think Windu’s ability to see shatter-point is why he was so cautious over Anakin?
That could be. Im not sure if really knows the results of a shaterpoint so much as knowing its impactful. Maybe he couldn't figure out what he saw and was skeptical
Maybe, because Anakin was a shatterpoint. He couldn't afford Anakin to shatter.
All the more reason imo that he should’ve trained skywalker himself
That never occurred to me but now that you say it yeah i can see that
Too bad we couldn’t see the 187th and Windu fighting on Coruscant in the Clone Wars
I don't think we saw the 187th period.
That would've been cool to see
Mace Windu was by far the greatest Jedi Knight that was ever produced within the Order. Had he been born during The Old Republic wars against the Sith he would have been legendary on the field and out of it, and the CIS was extremely lucky that Sidious orchestrated the entire war for they may never have won a battle without him.
Ya sure seeing the CIS waz created by sidious
He was skilled but technically not a good jedi seeing as though the best Jedi are the most aligned with the force, he was closer to neutral than force alligned
no.
He was an absolute pile of shit and was WAYYY too rigid
Father died? Get over it kid.
@@P.Subaeruginosa sure but he was one of the strongest Jedi the order ever created in terms of lightsaber mastery and even in reference to Force powers
Vaapad reminds me of how Iroh redirects lighting in Avatar. He takes the darkness in and redirects it outward like the eye of the storm.
I'm guessing the reason Windu seemed so against Anakin is because of how similar they are. Windu has experienced that same passion, but channels it healthily, and can see that Anakin hasn't learned to do that yet.
And he never did because Windu wasn't there to try to teach him, or try to do anything besides be antagonistic towards him.
Windu, “You are on this council, but we will still not rank you to Jedi Master.”
Anakin, “It’s unfair!”
Windu, “Take a seat, young Skywalker.”
Anakin, “Hold my Dark side.”
*can see the shattering effects of things*
*Does that*
Mace Windu was a bit rigid, but he was a good Jedi and one of the greatest duelists the Jedi order had in the Clone Wars.
He used Vapaad safely and is known to be the only one who could use it without falling to the dark side.
Takes a lot of discipline to do so...
He had immense willpower for sure. I think he would have been the best master for Anakin tbh.
It’s funny how he was super reckless he was and how much he played with the dark side and then didn’t trust anakin for the exact reasons
Well looking at which one turned...
You watched the entire video and still missed the point...
You missed the point my friend. In terms of the dark side Mace Windu is exceptional enough to stand outside in the rain but not get wet. All of that is rooted his will power and self mastery. He can benefit from it, reflect it back to the attacker, and stay immune to it. Anakin despite his natural talent and skill was walking a fine line and at times outright gave into the dark side. With all the trauma he went through Vaapad under Anakin’s use would just turn into the wild and aggressive Juyo fighting style. Anakin can conquer almost any enemy but he never conquered himself….but Mace Windu did. Mace Windu is what Anakin would have been times 3 if he overcame his inner demons and never became Vader. Jedi like Plo Koon and Qui Gonn embody the Jedi fully enveloped in the light and Jedi like Mace Windu and Anya Kuro embody Jedi that exercised overcoming their own darkness while remaining fully rooted in the light. Both fully showcasing what a true Jedi is and through walking that path reaching a state of immense skill, rare abilities, and in some cases even enlightenment. Sidious said the dark side is a pathway to many abilities some even considered unnatural. While that it’s true it is the quick and easy path. For that Jedi the reverse is also true. Those that exercise the patience and discipline to fully commit to the light they gain a level of skill and unique abilities natural to the living force gifted to few that commit to it. Making that beacons of hope , prosperity, and nearly insurmountable power
"As powerful as master windu.." In Anakin's eyes his defining quality was power, and yoda wisdom. Clearly yoda was a masterful duelist and incredibly powerful, but windu was a step above.
Windu has always been among my favorite jedi. Beyond the normal favorites he’s probably the one I like the best.
2:04 We get it, he was very different in the war room and the battlefield
Different *
Windu was a very different general in a war room than on the battlefield Windu was a very different general in a war room than on the battlefield
@@jonnygraham2372 it's called a typo, we went commenting
@@S85B50Engine I’m just giving you a hard time 😂 come on now
No @@S85B50Engine , No. This is so not right!
Windu was a very different general in a war room. Then on a battlefield
Windu was a very different general in a war room than on the battlefield
Respect for Mace Windu
Mace Windu: I am going to end this once and for all!
Sidious: Sword in the hand? Meet dagger in the back.
Can you do a Tactical Breakdown video of Darth Revan? Or, Grand Admiral Thrawn? Maybe, make a video putting these two against each other in a space battle?
Pretty sure someone did that. Can't remember if that was Geetsly's or Ecks
@@jamesleduke873 Eck did it already. But I want everyone on Star Wars TH-cam to make a video on this subject. Maybe, make it fandom-wide!
MORE then Anakin's, is saying something.. with Anakin he meant well an a experienced battle commander. Alot of Jedi may take a more ruthless approach in a style a Jedi shouldn't do with civilians
Sensing if his Shatter point was even able to lead to winning battles... I'm guessing it's what made him the Jedi an tactician he was. How do you counter someone that can see ALL your weak points an how to beat them
I'm curious, do you think Mace windu mastered the ability to become a Force ghost, because in the Rise of Skywalker, he is heard, but I thought that speaking from the beyond was something that was rare and hard to master, hence why we only have a handful of force ghosts. Idk, I guess that's my head canon
Simple. Ignore Rise of Skywalker
The directors of these films didn't know nothing about star wars lore
Rise of what? Are you referring to that fanfiction Disney made?
@@jamesleduke873 Rise of Shadow Legends.
The people who wrote that reconstituted piece of dog sh!t had no clue what they were doing. Those were supposed to be echoes of the past that had no light side force connections as they were a manipulation of the dark side. However, even in the Star Wars fantasy drama there are no such things unless they are indeed a force ghost like Qui Gon Jins lvl at the end of season 6. Or if you were near a force wound. Like hearing the Emperor when near Endor. Also that could have been projected by Palpatine.
The 187th legion will be in the Lego stores very very soon
Windu is basically how I play Halo, except without the marines finding a way to die to a handful of grunts
2:05 I love the amateur feel. Everything's not super processed and sometimes you get little mistakes like this because it's not a million people in a corporation. It's like five people Max
Very impressive. I do have some complementary points to this analysis, though. WIndu himself does have parallels with Anakin, but the Master of the Order's strongest differences are in preparation, self-reflection and wider-scope views.
Mace Windu often worked alongside a partner, somebody whom in battles would take the overall command position, on Ryloth that roll was shared between Commander Ponds and Cham Sendulla, or Lorz Geptun on Haruun Kal. Clearly, this was a lesson WIndu learned between Geonosis and another battle on Dantooine, where he wound-up in his own individual actions, and most under his command died (Jedi on Geonosis until Yoda arrived, and Clone Troopers on Dantooine). Additionally, WIndu would devise battle-plans for the rest of his soldiers to follow while positioning himself at the key point which could decide victory or defeat. INclude his mission against the CRIMSON NOVA (a bounty-hunters guild sponsored to go against Jedi), where Mace put a plan together, walked in the front door, and kept the hunter focused on him while Fisto, Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar sabotaged the guild.
WIndu's own Shatterpoint talents were reflected in this sense. And he would apply another principle to battle strategy, and deplomacy: "the only solution to a problem is cut through the heart with the knife, and leave others to put the pieces together." Prior to the Clone War, a comic story had Windu intervene to stop a decades-long blood bath between Warring clans over a great statue; particularly different sacred components of the statue, and when a stray blaster damaged that artefact the clans dropped their weapons to repair it.
So, Windu cut the statue to pieces "and left them with a thousand choices to occupy their time." IN diplomacy, Windu would probe to find the heart of the matter between different parties, cut right to the centre and compel those involved to cooperate, or discover deceptions behind the matter: on Ryloth between CHam Sendula and Onn-Free-Taa. However, this oculd lead him into dangerous traps, and tunnel-vision prone, which Cad Bane and Darth Sidious infamously exploited.
Mace became a god during the Battle of Dantooine
If mace windu survived order 66 he would have been a massive threat to the empire and darth sidious would be non the wiser thinking he was dead.
I mean, was he ever confirmed dead? Remember, both Yoda and Obi-Wan were considered not dead unless a body was found.
I think hes dead. They would have milked the character for all its worth otherwise.
@@colonagray2454 I know he is dead I’m saying if he didn’t die
*Mace Windu has entered the battle*
Battalion of Super Battle Droids:Why do I hear boss music and DOOM music?!
Mace Windu was truly a big time hero of beyond-Squib eliteness.
If you haven't covered him, could you talk about Anakin's tactics and achievements too?
Therapist: “Samurai Jack Windu does not exist. He can’t hurt you.”
Samurai Jack Windu:
From 2:05 - 2:11 the same line repeats, also great vid my guy.
I'd ask for a Disney+ version of Mace Windu, but I'm worried they'd treat him the way it looks like they're treating Kenobi.
I would train under him. Then become the master of Jedi.
have watched every single of your videos for the past three years I love the content! I'm not sure if you had but could u do a video on the ranks of the clones?
The actor himself describes Mace as being someone who understands the darkside and can channel it through vapaad.
He’s not just an actor that’s the mf actor Samuel Jackson
Thanks for the great vid, Geetsly
Very good video. Would you possibly do a tactical analysis on Plo Koon or Kit Fisto, please?
Thank You For Recognizing That “Legends” Does Mean SomeThing!
"TAKE A SEAT, Young Skywalker."
Luminara Unduli, General Garm Bel Iblis, Admiral Ackbar, Carth Onasi, Count Dooku and Wilhuf Tarkin would all be interesting tactical analyses.
I was watching another video anout Windu and the dude was saying how he was a jedi that used the darkside and i told everyone to check out this video because what he was saying was bs. Love your channel and as sad as I am about star wars officially being dead now I will come back here over amd over again for nostalgia
The key to any battle is to find the point at which your attack will give you a decisive victory than you strike and strike until the enemy won't get back up.
The only jedi to beat palpatine in a full-on lightsaber duel.
All of this talk about Mace Windu is always willing to fight for the Republic is making me wonder what does he think of the Separatists. And no, I am not talking about Count Dooku, General Grievous or those Hutt slimes on the Separatist Council. I am talking about the actual Separatists who have the legitimate grievances against the Republic. What does he think of them? He is thinking that the Republic is testing them by being unfair to them as some sort of trials to see if they are worthy of being part of the Republic?
Ultimate BMF
187th... Little nod to Jackson's movie 1 8 7
That's pretty cool
Please do a tactical analysis on thrawn
He was an amazing Jedi and warrior just not a nice person
He was the perfect example of a naive Jedi. If he gave a shit and was smart he should have trained Anakin and also not have made Obi Wan a Master so early. Both would have been far better Jedi because of it
@Jiomancy depends
@@jeambeam3173 he was also a jerk to Ahsoka and tried to ignore until it was too late
He was actually pretty kind, just a militaristic type of mindset. Nice isn't the right word for this anyways, he was genuine.
@@boomingbob1579 another good example. Jedi should be the ones handling Jedi problems. Even then tho there nativity would only cause as many problems as when the Senate and main government were handling Ashoka trial. Might have had same outcome regardless
I was kinda surprised on Windu being as reckess as Anakin I kinda got qn expression from his limited appearances specifically from court dooku that Windu was a very skilled Jedi which he still is but still.
I love these titles😂
Mace Windu is flaw and can be an asshole sometimes but doesn’t change the fact he is a great Jedi with good intentions but the way he went about is the issue to bad he didn’t understand the republic was turn against the Jedi.
So you could say he was like a … mace
I hate the fact that people mostly watch your videos that have popular characters or battles in them, altough the ones that don’t cover the the familiar things are usually more interesting
So Vapaad is like fighting fire with fire, without getting burned. So like using a mirror to reflect light, Vapaad reflects the dark side.
windu man the goat
Giving it a like for the title alone
Ok before I watch this is this cannon mace windu or nuclear super sayan god their clone wars animated windu
As much as I love Mace Windu, from his portrayal by Sam Jackson to his overall story and just how capable he was, I'm still of the belief that had he been able to follow thru with striking down Sidious that would've led to him falling to the dark side. Only from, in my opinion, that I think Sidious would've had a contingency with a possibility of that scenario in mind.
You do remember that he's the one that decapitated Jango Fett right? Just like how he went with Jango Fett, what he was about to do to Palpatine was just business, nothing personal. He perceived a need to do such a thing, not the emotion. If he indeed ended up cutting Palpatine down, that'd just been another day for in the war, rather than some heavy, monumental moment weighing in his conscience & consciousness. If he eluded the taunt & temptation of the dark side for so long & came out just fine & sane, cutting down Palpatine would be far from enough to turn him to the dark side.
He sounds like he's a one-man blitzkrieg.
2:02 You been hitting the Deathsticks?
More reckless in Anakin Skywalker that’s saying a lot
Loving the thumbnail (unless you change it for some reason)... but care to tell us who's the scalpel then?
Finally! Some to ma man Windu
Recent writers and content creators of Star Wars all like to throw dirt him and absolve far worse characters
Sometging to Remember here: Yoda was Not in his Prime by Revenge of the Sith, and would likely have been Nearly Invincible against Sidious if he still had his youth. Yoda was Far More Precise at 900 than a few centuries before, but was less powerful at the time by his own admission, as seen in "The Jedi Path."
Mace is so interesting to me. His presence in ep 9 suggests he is one with the cosmic force now. So he must have seen or at least heard about Anakin eventually bringing piece and balance and fulfilling of the prophacy. I really wonder how mace felt about this, and if he knew that anakanin would eventually do such a thing. Since he said that the prophacy could have been misread I don't think windu would have ever expected this outcome.
ep 9?
@@whiteshadow943 isnt his voice speaking to rey too?
@@bamboozle23k Oh I never saw ep 9 so I don’t know
I guess you could say he was cold, but not uncaring for his troops. Even though he breaks away from his men he leaves them in a spot where he KNOWS where they can do the most damage with the least amount of casualties while he takes on the damn bulk of the enemy.
Also I don’t think he ever would’ve fallen to the Dark Side, sure he dabbled with it but not for his own desire for the Sith but for power needed for the good of the Republic(string pulling aside).
I think I restated the video…
Please do Plo Koon next
His main weakness was dialogue written by George Lucas.
My Master Mace Windu Is really a BMF
Take a seat young Skywalker
1:56 uhhh you said that twice lol
Can you do one over anakin or Shaak Ti
2:02 your line played twice.
So Vaapad is like picking up an already set off grenade, and throwing it back before it explodes?
Rex and other clones like Neyo and Bly.
This is titled #5 but there's no #4.
Thanks for the catch!
is it on my end or the video in general where I hear him repeating him self between 2:03 and 2:11?
Kit fisto next?
Hey just a heads up, seems you relayered your audio at 2:05 and 2:09 twice.
2:02 makes me wonder how many takes you do 🤭
Mace Windu is one of the few Jedi besides the likes of Ki-Adi-Mundi that I disliked the most.
While I respected his lightsaber skills and use of the force, I HATED his personality. I have such a disdain and contempt for him as a character.
Ironically enough, I blame Atris for why Jedi like Windu and Mundi are the way they are.
Windu was the embodiment of everything wrong with the order of his age.
@@mitchbaker5995 besides Mundi.
Same here, him and mundi as well as yodas anti life speech in rots and jedi like Atris and Noman Kar from swtor (sith warrior) are why i grew to dislike or distance from jedi part of star wars though only saving graces in then order outside main cast would be terra sinube, yarael poof, yaddle, the dark lady, also adi galia. I put him in the same category as Severous T Snape. I respect his power and skill, how they were written in their stories but i would hate them personally and especially their attitudes. Ironically would like to work with sam jacksons nick fury Ironically.
@Jiomancy also wrong. Qui-Gon would had been a better teacher for Anakin had it not been for Maul.
@Jiomancy nothing wrong with the order? What spice are you smoking there was plenty wrong with the order by this time like there blind loyalty to a corrupt government there hubris which bordered on arrogance and there dogmatic adherence to there outdated ways. All flaws that windu consistantly displays.
Didn't Yoda use shatter point in attack of the clones telling that yellow stripped clone commander where to shoot missiles. Create a priamiter we must in shit 🤔
Sam was perfect
“he is too powerful”
Shatterpoint
I gotta ask if green light sabers mean they are essentially a medic, why didn’t qui-gon heal himself when Maul stabbed him?
that ability was legends material at the time and wasn't thought of for the prequel era cause you know.. gotta make The Empire
Windy was a very different general in the war room than the battlefield
I mean isn't the republik everytging the jedi stand for
I mean the jedi stand for peace and order in the galaxie and more importantly between the races.
And although their were some minor conflicts and and the senate beeing corrupt live in the galaxie was preety good all things considered for the 1000 years of the republic golden age.
No large scaled wars, no sith threatening live itself and the republik trying its best to help with everytging thats bot going great.
For me thats a reason mace was largly right
Doesn't change the fact that..
Mace was blown out of the windu tho.
Windu was probably in a contest with Skywalker, which explains his hostility.
2:02 huh
The way you describe Vapaad makes me wonder why more Jedi weren’t taught it. It seems like a useful tool to channel dangerous emotions rather than repress them.
It seems to me that fewer Jedi would fall to the dark side if this philosophy was more wide spread in the order
Vapaad is a bit weird in that respect it requires true discipline and an incredibly strong will to resist the dark side in order to master it which is why those who did use it such as Quinlan Vos could only use an incomplete version of it. It's a punishing style that you either overcome with great benefits and power or your weakness would drive you to the darkside. There is no middle ground with this technique which is why most Jedi were forbidden to attempt it and why Mace was usually very reluctant to teach it or take on an apprentice.
@@EndlessDreamer448 fair enough. Thanks for explaining it
Imagine if Anakin was trained by Mace
when I saw the title I thought it said Mot#*rF#₱kers so I thought damn
2:02 - 2:10
The line was repeated for some reason?
Mace TUNNEL VISION Windy lol