anyone could lie about it but if it ruins someone life then they could be taken to court and tried, but I doubt that'll happen for this case, I would not recommend putting yourself on a pedestal and even if your not going to do it just be aware you could in the future and I would suggest you know healthy ways of apologizing or copying.
@@VennyTrance are you serious i’m not putting myself on a pedestal I just legit can’t see how someone with a conscience could do that Also, would appreciate you not accusing me of committing a crime (or what should be crime) in the future
@@xXDragonCartoonsXx Believe what you want to then, if you say you can't see how someone could do that then your obviously a bit arrogant I meant it could be a possibly in the future although unlikely as you may do things you regret in the future without knowing your going to do them. people can change a lot and can do things they are ashamed of.
It wouldn't be putting oneself on a pedestal when one truly knows themselves. That is to say, you can say with 100% certainty that, according to your current moral beliefs, there is no room for such a heinous thing as lying about SA. I as well can say the same. With my current belief system, it is impossible for me to do that. The only plausible explanation if I were to have done it would be that my morals *changed,* not simply that I "went back" on them, for my conscious simply would not let me do it otherwise. @@VennyTrance
they use it as an excuse for their hatred, they could care less about victims. They go around parading and celebrating that they finally have reason to hate & rag on him publicly.
Ya some humans are truly weird beings I can't believe Twitter actually has humans that exist that act like they go ok a hating bandwagon without any proof and then some or most of them don't want to be proven wrong when dream made a video debunking allegations what a weird world we live in such hatred so much sin going on
Nah, he’s more like that one cringy middle school kid that everyone wants to get rid of even though he never did anything that’s worth being expelled for
Dream been had a bad image before the face reveal. (Hes into little kids and was even accused of horrible stuff such as racism, supporting naz! (Theres a tweet ab it exposing him on it) and so on. Dream is a horrible person but ppl just love glazing him bc of how much hes been getting bullied.
As someone who has basically 0 exposure to Dream outside of drama channels, the fact the entirety of the internet being against him even when he brought forth totally reasonable evidence is so bizarre to me. Not necessarily that people ignored it, but that nobody (not even channels covering it that acknowledged its validity) said anything. Like, I've heard the dude is weirdly parasocial and cheated at Minecraft, but like... bruh.
I personally clocked all the allegations except one as being either fake or insignificant nearly immediately. The only one that I’m still not convinced on is the Amanda situation because he intentionally lied and manipulated what he showed in that section and she’s the only one he sent a legal order to because I’m pretty sure he knows she can prove he lied relatively easily in her section.
I don't find it cringe that Dream likes how he looks. I'm not someone who watches his stuff, and I don't know much about him. But hearing his story of wwight loss here, it makes sense that he'd be happy with his appearance. He worked hard for it.
I agree with you, and that comment around 9:30 kind of bothered me. Criticising somebody (regardless of gender) for no reason other than their being confident/happy with their appearance... I dunno it just kind of rubbed me the wrong way
@@SlimThief in the video, he said doesn't support half of what he has said in the past, especially after his face reveal and going through the doxxing/swatting of him and his family
One of the most ANNOYING things about Twitter is their refusal to read/listen for more than 141 characters. Seriously, genuinely, truly braindead behavior of people who don't care what's true or false and probably couldn't comprehend it even if they did.
i appreciate how he reached out to dream and confirmed all of his sources. i watched another video on dreams response earlier today on another commentary channel that clearly didn’t watch or comprehend all of dreams response, and they continued to spread misinformation.
same I was watching one yesterday from a channel I found a few days ago that seemed to really care about getting facts and everything. I watched their video on all this and they essentially went "yea I watched the video, but hey audience look he messaged minors and even if he wasnt predatory to them, Dream is still being really predatory because these are minors. Oh ya and don't even watch the whole vid its just full of manipulations of the truth." I found this pretty sucky because they seemed real cool and wanted all the facts, but seeing them do this just made me wonder how many other creators they miss represented in there videos.
I'm so glad I never jumped onto the Dream hate train. It seemed so vitriolic and insane with hardly any proof. Only accusations. And then the people hating him were pretty much ONLY mocking his appearance, justifying it with "he's a bad guy, so it's okay." Completely ignoring any time anyone tried to tell them that by mocking his appearance, you literally ALSO mock ANY OTHER PERSON who happens to share any aspects of appearance with him. So they don't ACTUALLY care about helping anyone lessening harm. They just want a target to hate as much as possible.
@@blzrdsr Cruel, malicious, evil, chaotic. That kinda vibe. I don't wanna give you the textbook definition because I feel like that'd be condesending af lol
As someone who never really care, watched or liked dream, its crazy how much the Internet can create and spread drama and false information if they dislike a person.
I kind of get that as someone who just avoided hearing about most of the allegations, it is a manipulative tactic to hop on the same thing at a close time with others as it generally spreads misinformation or bias. I think it also goes back to the demographic of viewers which can leave certain impression on how the person must act or do things day to day to being able to sustain holding viewing of those demographics. In this case the most vocal demographic was children or young teenagers so therefore its no surprise that petty allegations were levelled against him or even more serious ones.
Can we also talk about a photo of him supposed to be pretending to be dead was thought to be thirst traps? Like why does looking dead means your being sus
@@derpy7321i actually fully agree with ompavillies video, but this comment comes of as "I've searched for thousands of years for someone to prove me right in my bias."
@@samtheman1868more like someone appreciating the fact for once on the internet, someone actually went through the effort to confirm sources and reach out to find an objective truth. Meanwhile the reason most of these dreams allegations are so large is because majority of the internet was like “durr I asked a random discord user who has no correlation to you if you were a child diddler, and they said yes. What do you have to say for yourself Dream?”
The whole Gumball drama was so weird to me. Nicholas was openly a horrible person and yet people were praising him for roasting Dream? I'm not a fan of either of them but I don't know how you can be so hateful towards someone.
As an outsider looking in about Dream is truly a surreal experience of how everyone collectively on most social platforms literally imploded on how much hate they had for this man. Absolute buffoonery.
@@LivenSixtyFive most haters I know of anything just hate for the sake of hating to feel better about themselves or they just hear it and be like so invested in it they just want to join in the hate for fun or to get some sort of attention
@@rainl4750 i agree. particularly on twitter, they just enjoy complaining about things. they dont care about the actual problem because they showed that they would rather have people be groomed just so they can be angry, cause even after SA didnt happen they still found a way to blame dream in all of it
I hate him but I never was on the "Lets trash him" bandwagon. I didn't believe he was innocent or quilty but I willing to hear him out. Granted I feel like he should have talked bout the grooming allegations by themselves and not everything, I'm glad he spoke up. Never watching or supporting him but I wish him the best and hope people find something better to do with their time.
@@CbOt7 he probally had to cover pretty much everything otherwise people would use what he doesn't respond to against him. people who want to tear you down will use everything they can, but i understand why he probally should have covered only the allegations, but he was pretty much in a situnation where covering everything was his best option.
It's incredibly creepy when these absolute children try to bait huge content creators into talking as much as possible, and then cry that they've been violated when that in no way happened. The moral of the story is be careful who you're talking to. I don't like Dream, but I don't see any misconduct here.
I’m sorry but if you’re an adult there’s no way for a kid to bait you into talking to them. Like there’s literally nothing a child could say to me to make me have a conversation with them.
let me preface this by saying I have never watched a single Dream video in my life. I'm 26yo, and even when I was a teen I wasn't into that sort of stuff. HOWEVER, I would also like to say I find it very cringe the way people are approaching his apology. For example, reaching out to Dream to ask him to essentially doxx people he wanted to protect--even if you don't expose them in the video--is wild to me. Why didn't you reach out the accusers instead and put them under the same level of scrutiny? If big youtubers like this did that, would it have ever gotten so far? But it's up to the person being accused to have the burden of proof laid at their feet? Another smaller point as well, who cares if his video was monetized or not? Who cares if he donated the profits or not? He's not allowed to benefit from his own cancelling or else the court of public opinion--that was wrong in the first place, mind you--will judge him to be insincere? The world needs to change its way of viewing accusations like this. Unless you come forward with real ironclad evidence, you shouldn't be allowed to ruin a person's life just because. Are you just supposed to move about your life constantly collecting "evidence" against everyone you interact with just in case one of them is insane enough to levy a false accusation at you? I hope for all of your sakes, and mine, that this never happens to any one of us.
Yes! I'm not the biggest Dream fan too and I have never really cared about all of this too much. But since a lot of big TH-camrs spread these allegations as if they are basically proven instead of viewing it a little more critical the information that people like us receive is "Dream is a creep and a groomer and there is some proof probaply idk". I find it crazy that he had to disprove that one grooming allegation from that one 17y/o girl at all when she literally had no proof. But before I saw this video that story got to me as "basically proven". Crazy how you can "ruin" a persons reputation by just conveing allegations in a different way.
Obviously, the kittens thing was clearly similar to a mascot for the fans like vtubers do. I've heard "I see you guys as cute little blobs" before. This is deliberately intended to slightly push the parasocial away by subtly saying I don't see you all as a romantic interest. You're not really family/friends because you don't really have a voice from his abstract perspective, but still sees reactions and care for each other a little like you might a pet or a kitten
The Internet is like a large group of hungry piranhas, when someone does a controversial action, they feast off of it for like 30 seconds until the next drama occurs. And I think this is the repeating case for Dream.
Honestly, all I’ve taken away is this is a person who posts to socials almost every thought he has and if we all did that we’d all look back in a year and realize we were “cringe” too.
Most reasonable and fair take. Like, people saying how cringe he is and not really taking account how we all had phases of our own cringe and different people age and learn their way through life at different pace and environment.
I was so pointlessly edgy as a teen in to my mid 20s, I said a lot of stuff I either no longer agree with or just said for the shock value. Hes going to get older and no doubt end up cringing harder than any of us
Those People just refuse to believe that influencers and celebrities are literally almost just like the rest of us but just with a spotlight. So anything they do that's deemed as 'cringe' is extra cringe eventough it's not THAT bad.
From the beginning, I took everything said about Dream as nothing but conjecture. Sure he’s a bit cringey, but if cringe was a crime, we’d all be in jail. He comes across to me as a genuinely nice guy finding his way but having some awkward moments. I relate to that so much (I’m sure many people do), and seeing what happened to Dream has made me so paranoid about just living my life. That was something I had been able to overcome previously, but seeing someone so similar to me, someone who was from a completely different walk of life, deal with this caused that paranoia to resurface. I don’t need to be remembered, but if I am, I want it to be for the right reasons. I hate feeling like I’m always tiptoeing around people (because I know the vast majority of people don’t think that way), but it takes just one person with a little bit of influence to ruin a life. All that to say, it’s encouraging to see that a lot of people really did take the time to listen before jumping to the worst conclusions like so many others. Dream is not perfect, and neither is any one of us.
In defense of general grooming victims, it's not always easy to prove something like this, dms can be deleted, maybe the victims lost access to their accounts they used, the list can go on. But I do agree, there wasn't proper proof against Dream that could hold up. Imo some of the allegations should've been obviously fake once one of them said he showed his face to them, something he hadn't even done to his best friends lol.
@@caffoycat One big thing you're missing is that you have never met actual victims of gromming vm they separate themselves from society and BARELY talk to their parents and oftentimes they have to be forced to give a statement in court .Any sensible parent would go to court
Sometimes I get worried. You tear someone down bad enough for long enough, they snap. Even if he’s freaking cringe, remember he’s a PERSON who’s cringe
To be concise: him making it a well edited video means he is treating it seriously. Most post a fake emotional response that has many holes. With serious accusations comes serious responses
With the “kittens” thing he meant it as a metaphor with how people say the love all cats/kittens or dogs/puppies even though they haven’t met them to compare that the love he has for his fans was different than love one has with family
Love how the comments are talking about how disgusting twitter is and that people should've waited for more info before jumping to conclusions and blindly believing the dream allegations. BUT on the last video Caleb made, the majority of people were calling him a PDF File without any evidence at all. Shoutout to the people who were actually waiting for more information from the beginning of this whole situation, and not the hypocritical bandwagon jumpers here that are doing a crazy 180 degree pivot after watching Dream's/Caleb's/Turkey Tom's videos.
As someone who only ever heard about this drama on tiktok, it's crazy how people REFUSE to entertain the idea that Dream is innocent. Like i've seen so many videos of people unflinchingly saying he's a terrible person regardless of evidence saying otherwise. Even his video debunking it is completely ignored as "yapping" Why do people even hate Dream?? The guy makes minecraft vids where he's being chased by his friends for 50 minutes, it's crazy.
As far as I'm aware it was literally all initially started just cause he cheated in a game and after that everyone hated on him. I really only watched him a little bit and then heard about the drama and was like "cool who cares".
I think the reason dream got his video edited in such high quality is because people online often dont listen or read his apology and continue blaming him, so he produced the video in a way to keep everyone who would usually just not listen and continue to blame him engaged for the full hour and a half so that everyone would get off of his case, I might just be overthinking though
You are overthinking but of course people want a high quality video on a serious situation. I’m sure a lot of people would, considering your length unless it’s just me.
im a dream fan so i was gonna watch the video anyways but in my opinion the editing definitely helped me stay concentrated and just made it easier to sit through
@@auxiliarythroned I've just seen ppl on twitter dismiss his previous apologies by saying "Not reading all that" so I figured a lot of ppl would do that on TH-cam if it wasn't given this fancy animation production, Im mainly trying to defend the way it was made because a lot of people are saying he should've just sat in front of the camera and spoke without any editing or a script
Dream is one of those creators I constantly hear about but genuinely never understood why everyone basically wants the guy dead. Kind of like WingsofRedemption. I never understood it. Like... just don't watch him.
@@chelsthegameruiner8669 that's make me more concern that why some peoples thought Dream deserved to this bc of he just " cheated on minecraft " what wrong with them....
@@ชัยชนะใส่เสี้ยว I think it's more so his strong denial even when the proof is pretty strong. That just made him an easier target. Opening statements are I lied, I lied, I lied, but these I'm honest about.
I actually like his face honestly. Like what were they thinking? some dude whose picture perfect? He is human and they expected something he can't change and got mad.
Fr, like hes soooo attractive and handsome to me. And before all the face reveal drama people were actually begging for his face reveal and some gives off hate to him after doing they're request they dont even know how much courage dream had to take for the face reveal jeez
@@mae3-pq2jvDuuuuddeee i agree. me and my friends all agreed (most of us didn't even watch him) that he was attractive af. i feel so bad bruh, the way he had to hide his face in public lest people recognize him was honestly diabolical. i can't even imagine how traumatizing that was
I actually deleted Twitter after first or second allegation and you won't believe how much better my life become after that. The only thing I've missed was his fanart community, this part of his base was awesome(
@@tarasova_ua Disengaging from social media as a whole is a ticket to better mental and physical health. The only thing I have is watsap where I'm in a group with my sisters. I deleted everything else two years ago and my life has markedly improved.
My favorite thing about the Nicholas Cantu beef is that Twitter would typically crucify somebody doing the same exact thing he did, but since he was making fun of someone they already didn’t like, nobody cared.
It’s also because he’s part of the groups that he used slurs of, him saying slurs while he’s having a manic episode isn’t something worth crucifying someone over
I felt bad for dream, it's crazy how far people will go just because they don't like someone. Yet we have people like sssnilerwolf not getting any backlash for what she has done and made t be the victim. And it just makes it harder for those who were actually groomed to come forth, all those who lied should be ashamed and I hope karma comes for them. It's disgusting that these type of people actually exist, they need serious help
Not to stick up for sniperwolf, but she seems pretty widely hated amongst her peers for a long while. Maybe she didn't get TH-cam punished enough for people's likings but she's definitely got her fair share of hate
@@BunPrince Rich people have feelings. If you're really going to let someone's financial situation define them then that really says who you are as a person.
I hate the "Kids watch Dream" kids watch everything. Kids watch the people who criticize dream (mostly teens which is the target audience for youtube and all social media in general) teens watch oompaville too, stop with this argument, makes no sense.
I hate to admit but I was on Dream's side during the whole gumball situation even before Dream's video. As much as I think Dream is goofy there's not much else I can criticize him for. We need to let go of our biases and be normal people. Hate isn't the way. He seems like a respectable guy.
how many more times will we hear commentary channels peddle false allegations and say "i will learn from this" before they actually learn? slazo, pyro, dream. the commentary community is downright dangerous at this point.
14:16 Oh i know this part. Dream was unaware as all of his previous world records were in version 1.15 where a change in drop rates would have been noticed. However since 1.16 was just released there was no way to know if the update had changed the droprates. Pretty much there was nothing to judge it against as it was so new
It was more like "a subtle change that's hard to notice ulness you sum up several hours of it", which does make sense in terms of statistics. It was subtle enough for the only guy to notice to be a cheater himself 💀
A. Huge, HUGE, HUUUUGE respect oompa for touching this at all. Internet hasn't been this adamanlty divided against eachother since the JDvAH trial. B. No matter the outcome respect you for looking at this non biased (even though you feel biased because you dont like his content, which is mainly just a preference.).
@@ravenID429 Yeah I thought everyone was against her until someone showed Twitter posts. Granted it's Twitter, but the amount of people was still insane.
Jeez, I got into a huge argument with someone over this on one of my comments on another video. The moment I brought up a valid reason supported by valid evidence, they stopped replying. It’s sad to see people support Cantu just because he’s a VA of beloved characters.
The fact that everyone talks about the false accusations movement and how people are saying false accusations are wrong, but when he shows proof that the accusations are in fact FALSE, why do people still hate on him. Karma is one thing coming to everyone starting this.
I have always celebrated/clowned on Dream for being cringe. It's never been anything personal, but he's so cringe and I love it. But I never wanted him to have a downfall, I want him to have so much money that he founds an entire country made of cringe and I will visit there for the cringe!
Whats crazy is people will believe influencers who bring no evidence to clear their names, but as soon as someone brings forth conclusive evidence, nobody cares and will still side with false acusers
@@kredonystus7768 i didn't but i apologise that you got that from that. i am asd and my mom is adhd. my dad was bipolar and possibly asd as well. i made that statement because i can highly relate to reacting emotionally before calming down and thinking carefully about a response.
Even though I'm not a (fan or hater) of dream, and I do have gripes with him on other subjects, I'm really glad that someone with this much online hate was able to clear their name. As someone who's been victim to false accusations twice (where people just believed them and hated me instantly despite all of the inconsistencies in both instances stories), it gives me hope for the future.
As a Dream fan, that's better than I have ever hoped for. People can change and grow. It's been very heartwarming to me seeing people change their minds, including people who now dislike him but at a normal degree and still think he's cringe but know the allegations were fake.
@@WishingOnJellyfish The point of my comment was to provide my opinion/thoughts since there is a comment section available. No one asked you who claims you don’t care to reply to my comment.
I have seen so many content creators, large and small, be cancelled and had their lives ruined due to false allegations. I’ve been watching these creators for years, and knew these allegations were false, and yet was put in a position where if I said anything I would be completely annihilated by people on the internet. Cancel culture is absolutely idiotic.
26:28 in fairness hes basically building a brand, i think that can be done without appearing self obsessed but also it can come off as it. I have zero personal experience with dream but i think judging someone off their public appearances when theyre a creator of dreams caliber is somewhat misrepresenting him.
I dont know a thing about Dream, but I do really appreciate how he went about this. Slazo went in this same direction, full transparency and vulnerability, and a stockpile of documents and proof. Embarrassing or not, it gets the air cleared. Long Live Slazo.
people took the chance to dunk on him after it, which given the excitement of the fans would give the people what they wanted; to make fun of the children or people who still defended him so they likely thought up a way of getting him falsely 'cancelled' so he wouldn't return therefore the children and other people would be more 'normal.' It's obviously a pattern of behaviour like your implying.
Being a former dream fan, this is honestly a breath of fresh air. The allegations never seemed genuine, they seemed very easy to fake and since leaving the fandom and twitter, my only source of info surrounding dream and his controversies was r/dreamwastaken2, but they appear very biased (duh) Being a dream fan in 2020-2023 seems horrible, so i hope that onwards dream stays out of controversy and off twitter, and i hope that people dont hate dream and his fans as much now. if youre from dwt2 and you see this, hi and no hate😅!
I jumped on the bandwagon and started to seriously hate Dream but after watching his video and doing my own homework, I don’t think he’s guilty. I really don’t. I think the internet is super disgusting to those they don’t automatically deem conventionally attractive or funny. I hope Dream can learn from these lessons and so can those who lied and slandered his name.
Thank you for coming at this situation with an open mind. This was one of the better videos I’ve seen that has covered the topic. I 100% agree that Dream made a great video and I’m glad he got to tell his side of the story. Thanks, Oompa. 💜
@@erebus1010being cringe isn't a bad thing. Literally every single person on this planet ever, including you, has been cringe. It's just a part of life. Not bad at all, you may be embarrassed about it but how does being cringe affect anyone else? it doesn't. It's not bad at all.
im 24 and its kinda suprising to me seeing so many people always thinking dreams fandom is so young cause as someone who is actually in it all my mutulas and people I've ever talked to/met at conventions which is a lot have been in the 18-22 rage.. its soooo rare that someone under 18 is in the community so I've always been confused by this.
Yeah, thats always confused me too. I've never met anyone who's a fan of Dream below 16. My younger siblings (9-12 range) generation know who Dream is, but none of them have watched any of his videos to any meaningful capacity. I've always wondered why people think all of his fans are young kids since none of the kids I've babysat know much about Dream in the first place.
3 things his guilty of: 1) Being Cringe. The ultimate crime, worst then any other crime. Cringe is awful. 2) Using Twitter. Honestly, your just asking for trouble if you constantly use it. 3)Cultivating an audience of cringe Kids who are either 12 to 18, the worst kind of kids.
I think a lot of this video is great! But I do also thing that it brings up a lot of aggression and added misunderstandings. One is that "How wouldn't he have known the game was modified in that way?" which is a really simple explanation: the drop rates weren't massively different. In the video by Karl Jobst he explores this a little bit, but having astronomical odds doesn't necessarily mean them being insanely different from regular gameplay. It was only when a later-exposed cheater was suspicious of Dream's drop rates that any investigation was done into Dream
I don't understand the problem with the 'kittens' thing. If I remember correctly (I'm ancient) we had the Crypt Keeper also adress the viewers as 'Kittens' and sometimes 'boils and ghouls"... just seems like people put their own (be it positive or here mostly negative) interpretation to it
Caleb is in the middle of moving…Kris announced big changes coming…hhmmm ❤ Great video btw. Love how open Oompa is. Always frank and honest. I always look forward to the new uploads.
At some point during the controversy, a lot of Twitter users just found Dream's situation as a clout chasing opportunity, so when his response dropped, suddenly people are either silent or doubled down on the claims. I don't like Dream, I don't like his fanbase, but when I see pure Twitter brainrot, I will laugh at its clownery.
I like to see how « both sides » are shown. Ive seen the whole video he posted on it but didn’t have anyone to speak it to so hearing you talk about it is nice
Anyone who loses that much weight is instantly respectable to me. (assuming they aren't criminal, obviously). I have respect for the dude, and his story of doxxing and swatting is genuinely tragic.
Heck yeah Oompa, its always nice to see your takes on yhings of this nature because you apply all the logic to situations instead of just instantly bombarding with hate or whatever. Tysm for the killer video my dude!
i’m going to admit, i feel immature for hating so much on dream. i even commented on his video saying “everyone switching up is crazy” and yes it’s true but i was acting like it was a bad thing. but really he’s just a guy trying to live his life, i’ve had rumors spread about me and it ruined my life. i was in a horrible state, so i can’t imagine how he’s feeling. i will say im not 100% on his side now tho.
Thank you for actually looking at the other side and changing your opinion. It seems few people nowadays will look at the other side, it shows you have grown so thank you
@@WritingNomad-PLwell, at least they are willing to listen to what others have to say, I have seen A LOT of people once heard about an accusation will always believe that accusation and chose not to listen to what others said
Yeah a lot of people can’t think for themselves which is crazy. Even before dream posted that video I was still like innocent before proven guilty. Your messing with another humans life because you don’t like him.
I've never watched a Dream video in my life and have zero emotional attachment to him and his content, but when he has a beard and wears a beanie, this man looks like Badger from Breaking Bad.
How can people lie about something as serious as SA and still live with themselves.
anyone could lie about it but if it ruins someone life then they could be taken to court and tried, but I doubt that'll happen for this case, I would not recommend putting yourself on a pedestal and even if your not going to do it just be aware you could in the future and I would suggest you know healthy ways of apologizing or copying.
@@VennyTrance are you serious i’m not putting myself on a pedestal I just legit can’t see how someone with a conscience could do that
Also, would appreciate you not accusing me of committing a crime (or what should be crime) in the future
@@xXDragonCartoonsXx Believe what you want to then, if you say you can't see how someone could do that then your obviously a bit arrogant
I meant it could be a possibly in the future although unlikely as you may do things you regret in the future without knowing your going to do them. people can change a lot and can do things they are ashamed of.
It wouldn't be putting oneself on a pedestal when one truly knows themselves. That is to say, you can say with 100% certainty that, according to your current moral beliefs, there is no room for such a heinous thing as lying about SA.
I as well can say the same. With my current belief system, it is impossible for me to do that. The only plausible explanation if I were to have done it would be that my morals *changed,* not simply that I "went back" on them, for my conscious simply would not let me do it otherwise.
@@VennyTrance
@@VennyTrance you’re the one who seems pretentious also, I am a victim of SA which is why it bugs me so much
The fact that Twitter would rather disregard actual victims and make up stuff is crazy
So many instances where they don’t care about actual victims but once it lines up w someone they don’t like the whole thing spirals
they use it as an excuse for their hatred, they could care less about victims. They go around parading and celebrating that they finally have reason to hate & rag on him publicly.
@@grimberlieYeah that sums up the drama
Ya some humans are truly weird beings I can't believe Twitter actually has humans that exist that act like they go ok a hating bandwagon without any proof and then some or most of them don't want to be proven wrong when dream made a video debunking allegations what a weird world we live in such hatred so much sin going on
Twitter discoursers are known for doing this. Especially antis and terfs on twitter lol.
Bro took his mask off and got blamed for every crime in the book
thats what happens ( really sad)
thats what the point of the mask was
@@maazfarhantheepicgamer311giggling
@@maazfarhantheepicgamer311real
@@maazfarhantheepicgamer311 so you can see im tryingggg, you won't see me cryingggg
Dude did a face reveal and wasnt as attractive as everyone hoped so the internet/twitter tried to burn him down
thats his fanbase’s fault. the fandom created an image of him in their head ONLY from a voice and js thought “oh he’s so cute” but then yk.
people were calling him a p word years before the face reveal
@@Torma25 well yes, but it happened a lot after the face reveal
i think he looks a lot better with the beard, like actually handsome. if hadn’t shaved for that video who knows what would be different today lol
@@prodfuneralboy it wasnt his fans who were hating on him, the majority weren't
Dream is like that one kid in middle school who realistically didnt do anything wrong but everyone hates
He just like me fr
@@savvyslpsI’m gonna getcha
@@BlueKilometer who?
Nah, he’s more like that one cringy middle school kid that everyone wants to get rid of even though he never did anything that’s worth being expelled for
Bro Fr 😂
This is modern day bullying
Ruining people’s careers and giving them a bad image it’s scary and sad
nah I disagree bullying is a rather petty and child like way to phrase it these people are just worthless cowards nothing more or less.
Dream been had a bad image before the face reveal. (Hes into little kids and was even accused of horrible stuff such as racism, supporting naz! (Theres a tweet ab it exposing him on it) and so on. Dream is a horrible person but ppl just love glazing him bc of how much hes been getting bullied.
@@T0DE the tweet dont even exposing him of anything, hes not into little kids, i doubt hes racist
@@T0DEbait used to be believable
@@T0DE me when I lie
As someone who has basically 0 exposure to Dream outside of drama channels, the fact the entirety of the internet being against him even when he brought forth totally reasonable evidence is so bizarre to me. Not necessarily that people ignored it, but that nobody (not even channels covering it that acknowledged its validity) said anything.
Like, I've heard the dude is weirdly parasocial and cheated at Minecraft, but like... bruh.
Its cause people cant hop off the hate train.
This just proves that there is a new deadly sin and it’s called cheating in speedruns and Minecraft in particular.
Not the entirety. Just the kids
I personally clocked all the allegations except one as being either fake or insignificant nearly immediately. The only one that I’m still not convinced on is the Amanda situation because he intentionally lied and manipulated what he showed in that section and she’s the only one he sent a legal order to because I’m pretty sure he knows she can prove he lied relatively easily in her section.
Its cause people hate him just because they want to hate him, no rhyme or reason, they'll just trash on his life because why not 💀
I don't find it cringe that Dream likes how he looks. I'm not someone who watches his stuff, and I don't know much about him. But hearing his story of wwight loss here, it makes sense that he'd be happy with his appearance. He worked hard for it.
I agree with you, and that comment around 9:30 kind of bothered me. Criticising somebody (regardless of gender) for no reason other than their being confident/happy with their appearance... I dunno it just kind of rubbed me the wrong way
Ya
@@havendidit the comment was really strange
Agreed
And honestly he looks very nice
People want him to be guilty of something SO BAD it’s insane
kinda crazy how much some people can hate someone bc of cringe content
frrr. its insane that they wouldnt verify if it was even true and wouldnt even watch his defense video before choosing not to believe him
He is guilty of many things...thats why people hate him...is this not computing????
@@tortellinifettuccinelike?
@@tortellinifettuccinebro the only thing he did is being a bit cringe and faking his speedrun, that it so i don’t know what you’re talking about
You dont have to like Dream... I don't even like him very much, but spreading lies to ruin his life is EVIL.
Same, not a fan of him, but people ruining his life is cruel.
womp womp
very true
dude its not funny to ruin people's lives. Whatever ur going through I hope you can find Jesus.@@JayV300
@@JayV300ur not funny at all
I mean i think the only verified thing hes guilty of is being cringe so far
And condoning harrasment
yeah hes mega cringe, but people online love drama and would rather believe it even when disproven because it fills some void inside them.
Dang
@@XelaaleX1they gotta make like fulfilling some how..
@@SlimThief in the video, he said doesn't support half of what he has said in the past, especially after his face reveal and going through the doxxing/swatting of him and his family
One of the most ANNOYING things about Twitter is their refusal to read/listen for more than 141 characters. Seriously, genuinely, truly braindead behavior of people who don't care what's true or false and probably couldn't comprehend it even if they did.
i appreciate how he reached out to dream and confirmed all of his sources. i watched another video on dreams response earlier today on another commentary channel that clearly didn’t watch or comprehend all of dreams response, and they continued to spread misinformation.
same
I was watching one yesterday from a channel I found a few days ago that seemed to really care about getting facts and everything. I watched their video on all this and they essentially went "yea I watched the video, but hey audience look he messaged minors and even if he wasnt predatory to them, Dream is still being really predatory because these are minors. Oh ya and don't even watch the whole vid its just full of manipulations of the truth."
I found this pretty sucky because they seemed real cool and wanted all the facts, but seeing them do this just made me wonder how many other creators they miss represented in there videos.
was it by chance pyrocynical
@@justawanderer8220whooooooo?
@@justawanderer8220 let me guess was it Drama Kween?
can you spill the channel name?
I feel like twitter is the main cause of everyone’s problems
i agree lol
thats why I use facebook
@@crazylegs299 fb honestly isnt any better
Twitter refuses moderate toxic behavior
Chronically online
I'm so glad I never jumped onto the Dream hate train. It seemed so vitriolic and insane with hardly any proof. Only accusations. And then the people hating him were pretty much ONLY mocking his appearance, justifying it with "he's a bad guy, so it's okay."
Completely ignoring any time anyone tried to tell them that by mocking his appearance, you literally ALSO mock ANY OTHER PERSON who happens to share any aspects of appearance with him. So they don't ACTUALLY care about helping anyone lessening harm. They just want a target to hate as much as possible.
Same!
Same here. I just couldn’t help but feel bad for him when people insulted his looks.
Same, like the fact that people made memes of his looks too, like this is the main reason he did not want to do a face reveal
What does vitriolotic menas
@@blzrdsr Cruel, malicious, evil, chaotic. That kinda vibe. I don't wanna give you the textbook definition because I feel like that'd be condesending af lol
This must be a Dream come true for the fanbase.
HQHHQHQQQHQHAHHAHA
That caught me off guard🤣
😐
Bu dum tsss
This is such a dad joke and I love it
As someone who never really care, watched or liked dream, its crazy how much the Internet can create and spread drama and false information if they dislike a person.
I kind of get that as someone who just avoided hearing about most of the allegations, it is a manipulative tactic to hop on the same thing at a close time with others as it generally spreads misinformation or bias.
I think it also goes back to the demographic of viewers which can leave certain impression on how the person must act or do things day to day to being able to sustain holding viewing of those demographics.
In this case the most vocal demographic was children or young teenagers so therefore its no surprise that petty allegations were levelled against him or even more serious ones.
@kayatto4510 yeah, for instance the situation between him and Quackity
isnt he racist tho? or something like that, some “ist” but i don’t remember which
@kayatto4510 yeah i cant remember
It's basically witch hunting through a new medium
These "thirst traps" don't really seem like thirst traps. Literally looks like regular selfies
No fr😭 they’re for like being silly like he doesn’t do anything seriously
theres nothing wrong with being silly
Exactly, it's just pictures of him being silly.
Hes just illy
Can we also talk about a photo of him supposed to be pretending to be dead was thought to be thirst traps? Like why does looking dead means your being sus
THANK YOU, finally a commentary channel that personally reached out for proof and gave an unbiased and logical take!
Dream fan be like:
@@samtheman1868so everyone that has common sense is a dream fan?
@@derpy7321i actually fully agree with ompavillies video, but this comment comes of as "I've searched for thousands of years for someone to prove me right in my bias."
@@samtheman1868 oh alr
@@samtheman1868more like someone appreciating the fact for once on the internet, someone actually went through the effort to confirm sources and reach out to find an objective truth. Meanwhile the reason most of these dreams allegations are so large is because majority of the internet was like “durr I asked a random discord user who has no correlation to you if you were a child diddler, and they said yes. What do you have to say for yourself Dream?”
The whole Gumball drama was so weird to me. Nicholas was openly a horrible person and yet people were praising him for roasting Dream? I'm not a fan of either of them but I don't know how you can be so hateful towards someone.
Fr
Really hope his career is going to become shambles cause of what he did
right? i saw the clips and saw the comments and got the ick so bad
Nic isn't even a horrible person what are you on
That was because Dream tried blackmail him
Convinced they cancelled him because he wasn’t as attractive as they thought he would be.
Canceled him bc hes into little kids and an overall horrible person.
That and people hate popular scream TH-camrs
As an outsider looking in about Dream is truly a surreal experience of how everyone collectively on most social platforms literally imploded on how much hate they had for this man. Absolute buffoonery.
@@rainl4750i don’t think most haters watch the person they hate
@@LivenSixtyFive most haters I know of anything just hate for the sake of hating to feel better about themselves or they just hear it and be like so invested in it they just want to join in the hate for fun or to get some sort of attention
@@rainl4750 i agree. particularly on twitter, they just enjoy complaining about things. they dont care about the actual problem because they showed that they would rather have people be groomed just so they can be angry, cause even after SA didnt happen they still found a way to blame dream in all of it
I hate him but I never was on the "Lets trash him" bandwagon. I didn't believe he was innocent or quilty but I willing to hear him out. Granted I feel like he should have talked bout the grooming allegations by themselves and not everything, I'm glad he spoke up.
Never watching or supporting him but I wish him the best and hope people find something better to do with their time.
@@CbOt7 he probally had to cover pretty much everything otherwise people would use what he doesn't respond to against him. people who want to tear you down will use everything they can, but i understand why he probally should have covered only the allegations, but he was pretty much in a situnation where covering everything was his best option.
It's incredibly creepy when these absolute children try to bait huge content creators into talking as much as possible, and then cry that they've been violated when that in no way happened. The moral of the story is be careful who you're talking to. I don't like Dream, but I don't see any misconduct here.
They should get sent to juvie
I’m sorry but if you’re an adult there’s no way for a kid to bait you into talking to them. Like there’s literally nothing a child could say to me to make me have a conversation with them.
no one said talking TO them@@notavailabletilltomorrow
@@notavailabletilltomorrow if it’s that serious you probably have problems of your own😂
@@notavailabletilltomorrow your little cousins probably think your weird asf😂
let me preface this by saying I have never watched a single Dream video in my life. I'm 26yo, and even when I was a teen I wasn't into that sort of stuff. HOWEVER, I would also like to say I find it very cringe the way people are approaching his apology. For example, reaching out to Dream to ask him to essentially doxx people he wanted to protect--even if you don't expose them in the video--is wild to me. Why didn't you reach out the accusers instead and put them under the same level of scrutiny? If big youtubers like this did that, would it have ever gotten so far? But it's up to the person being accused to have the burden of proof laid at their feet?
Another smaller point as well, who cares if his video was monetized or not? Who cares if he donated the profits or not? He's not allowed to benefit from his own cancelling or else the court of public opinion--that was wrong in the first place, mind you--will judge him to be insincere?
The world needs to change its way of viewing accusations like this. Unless you come forward with real ironclad evidence, you shouldn't be allowed to ruin a person's life just because. Are you just supposed to move about your life constantly collecting "evidence" against everyone you interact with just in case one of them is insane enough to levy a false accusation at you? I hope for all of your sakes, and mine, that this never happens to any one of us.
Yes! I'm not the biggest Dream fan too and I have never really cared about all of this too much. But since a lot of big TH-camrs spread these allegations as if they are basically proven instead of viewing it a little more critical the information that people like us receive is "Dream is a creep and a groomer and there is some proof probaply idk". I find it crazy that he had to disprove that one grooming allegation from that one 17y/o girl at all when she literally had no proof. But before I saw this video that story got to me as "basically proven". Crazy how you can "ruin" a persons reputation by just conveing allegations in a different way.
Obviously, the kittens thing was clearly similar to a mascot for the fans like vtubers do. I've heard "I see you guys as cute little blobs" before. This is deliberately intended to slightly push the parasocial away by subtly saying I don't see you all as a romantic interest. You're not really family/friends because you don't really have a voice from his abstract perspective, but still sees reactions and care for each other a little like you might a pet or a kitten
This is the second large comment I've posted so clearly I'm tired and should sleep
i dont think he thought abt that tweet in the first place
just as a mindless tweet in the sea of tweets he came to regrett
@louzo5175 well yea, he said as much, but that's what I think made him decide to say it
I agree tons of TH-camrs come up with completely ludicrous names for there veiwers
Yeah Oompa’s inability to understand that was a tough watch.
The Internet is like a large group of hungry piranhas, when someone does a controversial action, they feast off of it for like 30 seconds until the next drama occurs. And I think this is the repeating case for Dream.
yes. like like if a chicken gets cut and the other chickens around it see blood, they will peck it to death
Maybe if he stopped getting caught/doing shady stuff.... I dunno?...
@@Nimootlike what? people are people, youll live
Come now, that's unfair. Pirhanas at least are capable of schooling.
@@charybdis1618033 😂
11:37 It wasn't just that he was embarrassed, he wanted to protect his family and himself because of how many times he got swatted.
I thought silly Oompaville was my favourite but serious investigator Oompa is also my favourite...quite the dilemma I find myself in
I like devious maniacal Oompa
RIP Omegle Oompa
@@360VideoDesign rip omegle
Same, I wish they were the same person
Porque no los dos?
Honestly, all I’ve taken away is this is a person who posts to socials almost every thought he has and if we all did that we’d all look back in a year and realize we were “cringe” too.
Nailed it.
Most reasonable and fair take. Like, people saying how cringe he is and not really taking account how we all had phases of our own cringe and different people age and learn their way through life at different pace and environment.
I was so pointlessly edgy as a teen in to my mid 20s, I said a lot of stuff I either no longer agree with or just said for the shock value.
Hes going to get older and no doubt end up cringing harder than any of us
Ah yes, that time was 2019 for me. I never wanna see something related to me during 2019.
Those People just refuse to believe that influencers and celebrities are literally almost just like the rest of us but just with a spotlight. So anything they do that's deemed as 'cringe' is extra cringe eventough it's not THAT bad.
From the beginning, I took everything said about Dream as nothing but conjecture. Sure he’s a bit cringey, but if cringe was a crime, we’d all be in jail.
He comes across to me as a genuinely nice guy finding his way but having some awkward moments. I relate to that so much (I’m sure many people do), and seeing what happened to Dream has made me so paranoid about just living my life.
That was something I had been able to overcome previously, but seeing someone so similar to me, someone who was from a completely different walk of life, deal with this caused that paranoia to resurface. I don’t need to be remembered, but if I am, I want it to be for the right reasons.
I hate feeling like I’m always tiptoeing around people (because I know the vast majority of people don’t think that way), but it takes just one person with a little bit of influence to ruin a life.
All that to say, it’s encouraging to see that a lot of people really did take the time to listen before jumping to the worst conclusions like so many others.
Dream is not perfect, and neither is any one of us.
Well said timothy
Well said Armin
Well said Mark
Well said Mira
Well said Tom
I feel like it was clear he wasn't guilty. I don't really care about Dream or his content but there was no actual evidence against him
In defense of general grooming victims, it's not always easy to prove something like this, dms can be deleted, maybe the victims lost access to their accounts they used, the list can go on. But I do agree, there wasn't proper proof against Dream that could hold up. Imo some of the allegations should've been obviously fake once one of them said he showed his face to them, something he hadn't even done to his best friends lol.
@@caffoycat One big thing you're missing is that you have never met actual victims of gromming vm they separate themselves from society and BARELY talk to their parents and oftentimes they have to be forced to give a statement in court .Any sensible parent would go to court
He paid for an entire math dissortation when he got accused of cheating. Can you kids stop pretending like you know whats up
@@theredgoblin562 begon red goblin, for I have no gold for you!
@@wanderer_oti i mean pyrocynicals fanbase forgave him after a few videos im just saying
An entire hour of oompaville? Christmas must've come early
So did i
Mans gotta a podcast where he rambles about random things for an hour every couple of weeks.
YES
@@codytime5712me too
Yeah, it's Christmas today
Sometimes I get worried. You tear someone down bad enough for long enough, they snap. Even if he’s freaking cringe, remember he’s a PERSON who’s cringe
Dream is cringe af but this was the greatest comeback I've seen in my life, he clarified everything in a comprehensive and entertaining way, based
true
true
so many allegations nowadays but he was the only one who disproved them with evidence instead of putting on tears for the camera
kwite did the same thing, made me so happy since i love his content and was sad i'd never get to watch it again.
nice, but still cheated at a children game
To be concise: him making it a well edited video means he is treating it seriously. Most post a fake emotional response that has many holes. With serious accusations comes serious responses
With the “kittens” thing he meant it as a metaphor with how people say the love all cats/kittens or dogs/puppies even though they haven’t met them to compare that the love he has for his fans was different than love one has with family
Love how the comments are talking about how disgusting twitter is and that people should've waited for more info before jumping to conclusions and blindly believing the dream allegations. BUT on the last video Caleb made, the majority of people were calling him a PDF File without any evidence at all.
Shoutout to the people who were actually waiting for more information from the beginning of this whole situation, and not the hypocritical bandwagon jumpers here that are doing a crazy 180 degree pivot after watching Dream's/Caleb's/Turkey Tom's videos.
Seems clear he flirted with kids. Whether intentional or not he is a child content creator who posted thirst traps.
@@matt6387 bro doesnt post thirst traps tho that was a big part of the video
attention span check@@matt6387
@@matt6387someone didn't see the response
@@matt6387are you actually dumb
As someone who only ever heard about this drama on tiktok, it's crazy how people REFUSE to entertain the idea that Dream is innocent. Like i've seen so many videos of people unflinchingly saying he's a terrible person regardless of evidence saying otherwise. Even his video debunking it is completely ignored as "yapping"
Why do people even hate Dream?? The guy makes minecraft vids where he's being chased by his friends for 50 minutes, it's crazy.
People hate Dream for the same reason they hate Taylor Swift. His fanbase is absolutely horrible and extremely toxic, and he actively encourages it.
As far as I'm aware it was literally all initially started just cause he cheated in a game and after that everyone hated on him. I really only watched him a little bit and then heard about the drama and was like "cool who cares".
one thing that made a lot of people hate him is the dream stans. the toxic fans that are obsessed with dream.
It started when he defended his fanbase while they were being toxic
And wouldn't accept his fanbase could do wrong
Dream haters are on the same level as kpop stans
so insane how chronically online this entire dream situation is. honestly makes me want to leave the internet
every time i come across people with terminal takes i just remind myself that these kinds of people don't exist in real life
@@thealmightybucket5930 fr
@@thealmightybucket5930its oddly sobering lol
k leave then, yall dont know that like dream is into little kids and was even racist but yall not ready for that r yall 💀💀
@@T0DE ?? hes not into kids bro tf
I think the reason dream got his video edited in such high quality is because people online often dont listen or read his apology and continue blaming him, so he produced the video in a way to keep everyone who would usually just not listen and continue to blame him engaged for the full hour and a half so that everyone would get off of his case, I might just be overthinking though
You are overthinking but of course people want a high quality video on a serious situation. I’m sure a lot of people would, considering your length unless it’s just me.
im a dream fan so i was gonna watch the video anyways but in my opinion the editing definitely helped me stay concentrated and just made it easier to sit through
@@auxiliarythroned I've just seen ppl on twitter dismiss his previous apologies by saying "Not reading all that" so I figured a lot of ppl would do that on TH-cam if it wasn't given this fancy animation production, Im mainly trying to defend the way it was made because a lot of people are saying he should've just sat in front of the camera and spoke without any editing or a script
@@cl5neI believe if dream did just record face cam and prove his innocence, then I think even less people would believe the truth he says.
@@cl5ne Yeah. That "I ain't reading that" remark is just inexcusable, which whoever says that shows that they aren't really the brightest people.
Dream is one of those creators I constantly hear about but genuinely never understood why everyone basically wants the guy dead. Kind of like WingsofRedemption. I never understood it. Like... just don't watch him.
So true
I think it started when he cheated on a Minecraft speed run, which became a whole mess soon afterwards
@@chelsthegameruiner8669 Guessing the Dream Stan’s didn’t make it better either
@@chelsthegameruiner8669 that's make me more concern that why some peoples thought Dream deserved to this bc of he just " cheated on minecraft " what wrong with them....
@@ชัยชนะใส่เสี้ยว I think it's more so his strong denial even when the proof is pretty strong. That just made him an easier target. Opening statements are I lied, I lied, I lied, but these I'm honest about.
I actually like his face honestly. Like what were they thinking? some dude whose picture perfect? He is human and they expected something he can't change and got mad.
Fr, like hes soooo attractive and handsome to me. And before all the face reveal drama people were actually begging for his face reveal and some gives off hate to him after doing they're request they dont even know how much courage dream had to take for the face reveal jeez
@@mae3-pq2jvDuuuuddeee i agree. me and my friends all agreed (most of us didn't even watch him) that he was attractive af. i feel so bad bruh, the way he had to hide his face in public lest people recognize him was honestly diabolical. i can't even imagine how traumatizing that was
@@METALDEVILLL i even simp for him tbh😔👌
me when every type of modern drama can be averted by not opening twitter, it is that simple.
Ermm *snort* actually its X 🤓🤓
I actually deleted Twitter after first or second allegation and you won't believe how much better my life become after that. The only thing I've missed was his fanart community, this part of his base was awesome(
@@tarasova_ua Disengaging from social media as a whole is a ticket to better mental and physical health. The only thing I have is watsap where I'm in a group with my sisters. I deleted everything else two years ago and my life has markedly improved.
Twitter is even scary for me rn to post any art
Dream doesn't even look bad, and I can't blame him for being proud of his looks considering his weight loss journey.
My favorite thing about the Nicholas Cantu beef is that Twitter would typically crucify somebody doing the same exact thing he did, but since he was making fun of someone they already didn’t like, nobody cared.
It’s also because he’s part of the groups that he used slurs of, him saying slurs while he’s having a manic episode isn’t something worth crucifying someone over
@@cantthinkofaname5046he also assaulted dream. Also calling people slurs in a derogatory manner isnt okay even if that slur is used against yourself.
I felt bad for dream, it's crazy how far people will go just because they don't like someone. Yet we have people like sssnilerwolf not getting any backlash for what she has done and made t be the victim.
And it just makes it harder for those who were actually groomed to come forth, all those who lied should be ashamed and I hope karma comes for them. It's disgusting that these type of people actually exist, they need serious help
i dont, hes rich
Not to stick up for sniperwolf, but she seems pretty widely hated amongst her peers for a long while. Maybe she didn't get TH-cam punished enough for people's likings but she's definitely got her fair share of hate
@@BunPrince Rich people have feelings. If you're really going to let someone's financial situation define them then that really says who you are as a person.
@@BunPrinceI hate pulling the "You're just jealous" card, but you're making it very hard not to
pretty sure same thing happened to kwite. some random person on twitter posted fake screen shots and then everyone believed them...
There is 100% undeniable proof that dream is guilty af.
Guilty of cringe. Everything else looks like bs twitter nonsense to me
had me in the first half, ngl
nice critikal joke.
you deserve more likes to this comment lol
tbh bro, twitter should be deleted. we should look down on anyone using that app.
kinda can be posted on 2 sentance horror story as a meme
I hate the "Kids watch Dream" kids watch everything. Kids watch the people who criticize dream (mostly teens which is the target audience for youtube and all social media in general) teens watch oompaville too, stop with this argument, makes no sense.
Teens are also considered children, which find stuff like making fun of Dream funny.
I hate to admit but I was on Dream's side during the whole gumball situation even before Dream's video. As much as I think Dream is goofy there's not much else I can criticize him for. We need to let go of our biases and be normal people. Hate isn't the way. He seems like a respectable guy.
how many more times will we hear commentary channels peddle false allegations and say "i will learn from this" before they actually learn? slazo, pyro, dream. the commentary community is downright dangerous at this point.
To be fair pyro is a weird furry freak
Kwite
I am not surprised about the commentary channels considering that they jump the sharks at this point.
they'll never learn lol, everyone hated Dream so making another video hating on him will probably get you a couple views
Ironic u mentioned Pyro- his response to Dream’s video was very weird and nitpicky.
14:16 Oh i know this part. Dream was unaware as all of his previous world records were in version 1.15 where a change in drop rates would have been noticed. However since 1.16 was just released there was no way to know if the update had changed the droprates. Pretty much there was nothing to judge it against as it was so new
It was more like "a subtle change that's hard to notice ulness you sum up several hours of it", which does make sense in terms of statistics.
It was subtle enough for the only guy to notice to be a cheater himself 💀
Last video of oompa and dream comments: “DREAM IS SICK!!!”
This video’s comments: “Well dream is innocent. I knew it from the start.”
Lol
A. Huge, HUGE, HUUUUGE respect oompa for touching this at all. Internet hasn't been this adamanlty divided against eachother since the JDvAH trial.
B. No matter the outcome respect you for looking at this non biased (even though you feel biased because you dont like his content, which is mainly just a preference.).
I thought the internet was actually more together than it’s ever been against amber heard lol, except her tiny band of simps
@@ravenID429 Yeah I thought everyone was against her until someone showed Twitter posts. Granted it's Twitter, but the amount of people was still insane.
@@Insanity_WolfI think the leaked audios were the turning point back in like 2019
@@Insanity_WolfOh wait I misread that - yeah it’s mindblowing there are still people that support her
Jeez, I got into a huge argument with someone over this on one of my comments on another video. The moment I brought up a valid reason supported by valid evidence, they stopped replying. It’s sad to see people support Cantu just because he’s a VA of beloved characters.
That’s what happens when mfs don’t separate the art from the artist. He is not literally gumball.
@@DarkKiller-0 fr, and seeing people address him as gumball or smthn is brain numbing 😭😭
@@DarkKiller-0He wasn’t even close to the best gumball on top of that lol
The fact that everyone talks about the false accusations movement and how people are saying false accusations are wrong, but when he shows proof that the accusations are in fact FALSE, why do people still hate on him.
Karma is one thing coming to everyone starting this.
or people are still just delusional, and not very smart, like 90% of twitter
I have always celebrated/clowned on Dream for being cringe. It's never been anything personal, but he's so cringe and I love it. But I never wanted him to have a downfall, I want him to have so much money that he founds an entire country made of cringe and I will visit there for the cringe!
Right no need to change man your fans will flock to you regardless just be yourself especially if its cringe haha
Dream really embraces the cringe inside
Better to embrace than just pretend you're a better person just because you are not cringe even though all of us came from cringe
haha i love this comment honestly. i love cringey people, as long as it isn't rlly overboard
Still insane to me how gullible people were to just believe some random throwaway that had ZERO proof just because they dislike dream
That's the point they already dislike him so proof doesn't matter to them
Confirmation bias goes crazy
Whats crazy is people will believe influencers who bring no evidence to clear their names, but as soon as someone brings forth conclusive evidence, nobody cares and will still side with false acusers
I think the easy answer as to why Dream has acted childish and made poor decisions is that he has been a child for a great deal of his career.
also being adhd and possibly asd
@@mochiyeosang1908don't blame immaturity on mental health. There are plenty of people out there with both who are mature adults.
adhd and asd arent mental heath issues, they are neurological disorders@@kredonystus7768
@@kredonystus7768 i didn't but i apologise that you got that from that. i am asd and my mom is adhd. my dad was bipolar and possibly asd as well. i made that statement because i can highly relate to reacting emotionally before calming down and thinking carefully about a response.
Beautiful response@@mochiyeosang1908
Even though I'm not a (fan or hater) of dream, and I do have gripes with him on other subjects, I'm really glad that someone with this much online hate was able to clear their name. As someone who's been victim to false accusations twice (where people just believed them and hated me instantly despite all of the inconsistencies in both instances stories), it gives me hope for the future.
furry pfp spotted, accusations valid
“Bro was allegedly moaning” got me😂
In the next few years people will be like “why did dream get so much hate” while they were the haters themselves
As a Dream fan, that's better than I have ever hoped for. People can change and grow. It's been very heartwarming to me seeing people change their minds, including people who now dislike him but at a normal degree and still think he's cringe but know the allegations were fake.
well it's already happening
@@WishingOnJellyfish I don’t think I care if you don’t care that much about dream, lol.
@@WishingOnJellyfish The point of my comment was to provide my opinion/thoughts since there is a comment section available. No one asked you who claims you don’t care to reply to my comment.
I love how Dream uses XqC and Poki to show how easy it is to fake messages and videos with a black screen.
I have seen so many content creators, large and small, be cancelled and had their lives ruined due to false allegations. I’ve been watching these creators for years, and knew these allegations were false, and yet was put in a position where if I said anything I would be completely annihilated by people on the internet. Cancel culture is absolutely idiotic.
26:28 in fairness hes basically building a brand, i think that can be done without appearing self obsessed but also it can come off as it. I have zero personal experience with dream but i think judging someone off their public appearances when theyre a creator of dreams caliber is somewhat misrepresenting him.
Oompa never disappoints
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well there was this one time
@@goldenmushrooms48 when
@@Bs_4ever-999he didn't turn his kids into the flash 😞
I dont know a thing about Dream, but I do really appreciate how he went about this. Slazo went in this same direction, full transparency and vulnerability, and a stockpile of documents and proof. Embarrassing or not, it gets the air cleared. Long Live Slazo.
Notice how everything escalated so quickly after the face reveal.
people took the chance to dunk on him after it, which given the excitement of the fans would give the people what they wanted; to make fun of the children or people who still defended him so they likely thought up a way of getting him falsely 'cancelled' so he wouldn't return therefore the children and other people would be more 'normal.'
It's obviously a pattern of behaviour like your implying.
Being a former dream fan, this is honestly a breath of fresh air. The allegations never seemed genuine, they seemed very easy to fake and since leaving the fandom and twitter, my only source of info surrounding dream and his controversies was r/dreamwastaken2, but they appear very biased (duh)
Being a dream fan in 2020-2023 seems horrible, so i hope that onwards dream stays out of controversy and off twitter, and i hope that people dont hate dream and his fans as much now.
if youre from dwt2 and you see this, hi and no hate😅!
I was/am in a very similar boat as you, my friend
seriously getting information from reddit?
U didn't answer the question
@@gregkareem9824 huh
@@hanare7540 you get your info from youtube
all 3 of his victims admitted to lying, yk.
"Bro was allegedly moaning" has to be my favorite sentence from this vid 😂. Nice video man 👍
An hour long video from you is all we needed this Christmas, thanks Caleb 🫶🏼
This is part of the reason I NEVER take sides until all of the info is out because people be lying
right! can't even trust anyone nowdays
I thought everyone did this until i saw cancel culture lol
all twitter knows how to do is eat hot chip and lie
I jumped on the bandwagon and started to seriously hate Dream but after watching his video and doing my own homework, I don’t think he’s guilty. I really don’t. I think the internet is super disgusting to those they don’t automatically deem conventionally attractive or funny. I hope Dream can learn from these lessons and so can those who lied and slandered his name.
idc ab dream its just funny he got beat up by gumball
@@Peekaboo6969 it was funny until we found out what's been happening to his family
@@Peekaboo6969Did you watch the response video? He didn't even get beat up, just punched for no reason.
He still interacts with his fans inappropriately. Even calling them kittens.
What gets ppl in to that mindset anyway? Seems more obsessive than being an actual Dream fan
Thank you for coming at this situation with an open mind. This was one of the better videos I’ve seen that has covered the topic. I 100% agree that Dream made a great video and I’m glad he got to tell his side of the story. Thanks, Oompa. 💜
Huge respect for Oompaville for actually reaching out to Dream to talk about all of this.
In the eyes of the internet, being cringe is the worst crime you can possibly commit.
As a fan oompa you can call me kitten
hey woah 😭🙏
Ayo what ?
Chill dude😭
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Gonna make me act up.
Crazy how people change their opinions on someone so quick
Dream is legit such a nice person, im so sad that this happened to him (also, ill say, congrats on dream on loosing all that weight)
He is a genuinely nice dude, and I guess that's why people are digging for dirt on him.
I agree, the only thing bad about him is how he can be pretty cringe sometimes. But other than that, he's a very genuine person in my eyes
@@erebus1010being cringe isn't a bad thing. Literally every single person on this planet ever, including you, has been cringe. It's just a part of life. Not bad at all, you may be embarrassed about it but how does being cringe affect anyone else? it doesn't. It's not bad at all.
I don’t know about that one, you forget before any of the allegations he was infamous for his toxic fanbase that he pretty much encouraged
@@cantthinkofaname5046 Yeah there's no denying the fact that he doesn't know how to handle the "crazed stans" side of his fanbase
Dream seems to be living in a Black Mirror episode
im 24 and its kinda suprising to me seeing so many people always thinking dreams fandom is so young cause as someone who is actually in it all my mutulas and people I've ever talked to/met at conventions which is a lot have been in the 18-22 rage.. its soooo rare that someone under 18 is in the community so I've always been confused by this.
Yeah, thats always confused me too. I've never met anyone who's a fan of Dream below 16. My younger siblings (9-12 range) generation know who Dream is, but none of them have watched any of his videos to any meaningful capacity.
I've always wondered why people think all of his fans are young kids since none of the kids I've babysat know much about Dream in the first place.
Thanks papa oomp, you never fail to deliver
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3 things his guilty of:
1) Being Cringe. The ultimate crime, worst then any other crime. Cringe is awful.
2) Using Twitter. Honestly, your just asking for trouble if you constantly use it.
3)Cultivating an audience of cringe Kids who are either 12 to 18, the worst kind of kids.
I think a lot of this video is great! But I do also thing that it brings up a lot of aggression and added misunderstandings. One is that "How wouldn't he have known the game was modified in that way?" which is a really simple explanation: the drop rates weren't massively different. In the video by Karl Jobst he explores this a little bit, but having astronomical odds doesn't necessarily mean them being insanely different from regular gameplay. It was only when a later-exposed cheater was suspicious of Dream's drop rates that any investigation was done into Dream
I don't understand the problem with the 'kittens' thing. If I remember correctly (I'm ancient) we had the Crypt Keeper also adress the viewers as 'Kittens' and sometimes 'boils and ghouls"... just seems like people put their own (be it positive or here mostly negative) interpretation to it
Love how open and genuine Oompa can be, when facing big creators, truly a honest guy, massive respect
Yeah but it can also backfire as he basically openly said he hates when people try to say no matter what people think I am happy being me
Aka him finding self worth and self love is healthy
@@shadowfan115huh?
@@Bruh_Moment.. oompa basically said he didn't like people who would say they are worth it to themselves but okay
@@shadowfan115 why are you saying "but okay" all I said was huh
Caleb is in the middle of moving…Kris announced big changes coming…hhmmm ❤
Great video btw. Love how open Oompa is. Always frank and honest. I always look forward to the new uploads.
At some point during the controversy, a lot of Twitter users just found Dream's situation as a clout chasing opportunity, so when his response dropped, suddenly people are either silent or doubled down on the claims. I don't like Dream, I don't like his fanbase, but when I see pure Twitter brainrot, I will laugh at its clownery.
I like to see how « both sides » are shown. Ive seen the whole video he posted on it but didn’t have anyone to speak it to so hearing you talk about it is nice
the refreshing part is OOmpville is on a dislike part but actually took the time to listen and interview the man.
Dreams drama is proof people on the internet will unite and just to find something to be mad at
As a survivor im happy to see his name be cleared, this was a horrible situation all around
My 14yo nephew shared a Charlie video to me, that's how I found him, Charlie's fan base is not exclusively old dudes.
Dreams worst crime is literally just being slightly famous and also cringe at the same time
Hes just tryna be himself:/
Anyone who loses that much weight is instantly respectable to me. (assuming they aren't criminal, obviously). I have respect for the dude, and his story of doxxing and swatting is genuinely tragic.
Heck yeah Oompa, its always nice to see your takes on yhings of this nature because you apply all the logic to situations instead of just instantly bombarding with hate or whatever. Tysm for the killer video my dude!
i’m going to admit, i feel immature for hating so much on dream. i even commented on his video saying “everyone switching up is crazy” and yes it’s true but i was acting like it was a bad thing. but really he’s just a guy trying to live his life, i’ve had rumors spread about me and it ruined my life. i was in a horrible state, so i can’t imagine how he’s feeling. i will say im not 100% on his side now tho.
so you literally had your life ruined and still had the gall to do that to someone? shame on you bro.
I hate on dream, I just don't claim it's some moral crusade or something. He's cringe, but that's honestly probably it.
Thank you for actually looking at the other side and changing your opinion. It seems few people nowadays will look at the other side, it shows you have grown so thank you
@@WritingNomad-PLwell, at least they are willing to listen to what others have to say, I have seen A LOT of people once heard about an accusation will always believe that accusation and chose not to listen to what others said
Yeah a lot of people can’t think for themselves which is crazy. Even before dream posted that video I was still like innocent before proven guilty. Your messing with another humans life because you don’t like him.
Dream looked like Shane and everyone basically just hated him for it.
I've never watched a Dream video in my life and have zero emotional attachment to him and his content, but when he has a beard and wears a beanie, this man looks like Badger from Breaking Bad.
oompaville, i.. cant… *breathe* when you’re not there