I love how Erin always names weird, gross, odd flavors/scents as experiences, and then adds "but not in a bad way". LOL. How do you get chlorine up your nose "in a good way". :-) Love this channel. It's my favorite whiskey channel by far. No one else can make me want to buy a whiskey that tastes like "small pink pencil eraser"
Good to know on Elmer T Lee being that close to Buffalo Trace. I doubt my unrefined palate could tell the difference. Just finished a bottle of Buffalo Trace again recently after a long break from it, and still just "meh" on it. Knowing all this, I'll probably spend my bourbon $ on something different than these two. Thanks for the great info and entertaining discussion!
Buffalo Trace is $24 and always on the shelf in Texas. It is a great deal at that price. And for that reason it’s one of my favorites. The other being Early Times bib.
Now I need to try Elmer T Lee. I am a Buffalo Trace fan. I keep it in my cabinet with many others. And I am able to get it pretty easily in Oregon. I have never seen Elmer T in my local store.
They taste completely different to me, elmer is good... buffalo trace isn't. So weird this video has people saying this now😂 exactly what I meant by misleading
Man, I have a bottle of Elmer T Lee just sitting on the shelf because I am not sure If I will ever come across another one. I paid retail for it in Virginia but now that I am in Florida, I will probably never get another unless I am willing to spend 300-500 for it.
Just know that you're not missing too much over the standard Buffalo Trace fare. If you can ever get your hands on a Buffalo Trace single barrel store pick, it's an easy alternative and often times better than ETL.
What camera do you use for your videos? It’s very clear and the sound is great. Do you use microphones on your shirt or is it just the camera microphone?
Thanks Joe. Lots of work went into getting things to look the way they do. We use Fuji XT3s and a Deity V3 Pro microphone. Amaran lighting. Nothing fancy at all, but as they say, it's how you use it that counts.
@@stuffandwhiskey just like my wife says, it’s the motion in the ocean that counts 😂😂😂 Seriously though, thanks for the info. Your channel is fantastic!
I've never had Elmer T. Lee, but everything else I've had from Buffalo Trace has been worth less than the hype, even Blanton's SFTB, which is by far the best BT juice I've ever had. There is plenty of better stuff out there that's easier to find, and doesn't cost any more at retail.
In SoCal, some stores that have access to BT can get pallets of it - price wars just over/under $20. But Elmer T Lee? $150-200 at a local shop that up charges anything that even has a hint of allocation. But people buy it up. It’s the one bottle that I’ve often heard buyers remorseful about the price but reminiscing on why they always bite when they see it. Talk about the power of suggestion. They could just keep topping off their bottle with $20 BT but it wouldn’t be the same because they would know.
We're finally getting Buffalo Trace stuff here too. So far all I've seen on the shelf is Buffalo Trace bourbon and Weller Special Reserve, but for two years I only saw BT on the shelf twice and then just half a dozen bottles or less, and nothing else from that distillery.
But is it the best community in the bizzaro world?? 🤣😂🤣😂 Seriously though I have seen exactly one ETL in the wild and it was $300. I'm sure it's still there.
I bought a bottle of ETL in 2021 for $40. I have yet to open it. I know Josh, whiskey Selection, not Collection. Sounds like I'm not missing much and should crack it open. Thoughts?
99.9% of the bottles we have are opened so we're likely not able to provide an objective opinion. Our stance is that you can't know whether you like it unless you open it and try it. That said, there is some merit in keeping certain special bottles sealed and opening them on special occasions and/or with special people. That said, we wouldn't personally categorize ETL as "special bottle" territory so we'd open it up and start trying it compared to other things you own.
@stuffandwhiskey Well, call it an egg, and I'm cracking it! Thanks, you two! Your channel is like conversing with a friend. Stuff and Whiskey and Golden Girls. (Thank you for being a friend!) I don't know what just got into me. Similar to an Erin song reference outburst. Haha 😄 🤣
Same as our opinions here for this one. If there is a notable difference for a first time buy we do tend to mention it. We just haven’t ever been impressed with ETL.
Rum is the new whiskey. The rum TH-cam community would love your charm. Begin your rum journey and dominate. Lol, you don't really know what funky means, yet.
Could not agree more that E.T. Lee is way to over hyped... Its "BT Allocated" so that means you over pay and nothing super special or even different from other products in their line up.
I would LOVE to be able to just TRY some ETL, but this is more evidence to show that it just isn't worth the cuckoo-bananas $300+ secondary pricing that I have seen it go for. Regular ol' BT is fine but nowhere near any of my favorites, so at least I know what I'm NOT missing. Thanks for helping to fight the FOMO!
Another great video. I have an ETL that is really good. I got lucky and walked into one of my favorite stores last year right as it came off the truck. I paid around $45 for mine and while it’s good, I agree that it’s not worth more than that. On the other hand I have 3 single barrel store picks of Buffalo Trace that are phenomenal. I just mixed equal amounts of all 3 in bottle to enjoy later. Then my favorite store Allocated-AK is getting another single barrel Buffalo Trace in soon and I will buy at least 1 or 2 bottles of it.
Love how you both describe the nose and flavors. Love BT products, and ETL is a tough find even for me, but I have one, like it , definitely wouldn't pay more than retail though.
$26 for BT in Ohio and I don’t remember what I paid for the ETL. Both are well worth the price. Erin had it with the grape on the Buffalo Trace. Great video.
I haven't gotten around to trying Elmer T. Lee yet. Where I live, it can only be found in museums, and even there, it doesn't turn up often. One of the local bars gets it on occasion and doesn't charge too much, so maybe I'll eventually try it there. Total Wine just came out with a lottery on which it is included. I figured that I might as well enter the lottery despite the low probability of getting anything. I selected Elmer T. Lee as one option, but not at top priority - there were a few others that interested me more. This is the only way I would ever buy a bottle - the price is $45. Elmer T. Lee is one of many examples of the absurd levels of hype that have formed around Buffalo Trace products. In most cases, I have not found the hype to be justified. They are good products, but I've rarely found any qualities in them that make them stand out strongly from the crowd. I'll buy them only if the price matches the quality, which seldom happens. It's easier to buy good bottles that are readily available, and for something a little more interesting, store picks of Knob Creek, Maker's Mark, Russell's Reserve, and Four Roses turn up regularly and don't cost a fortune.
I just received my JD S&W pick. I'm very excited to share the bottle with my buddies this weekend. We will put it in part of a JD blind. I'll let you know how it does for me and the rest of us!
Hopefully it's a great single barrel and you're happy with what you paid for it. At the end of the day, that's all that matters really. Cheers and thanks for watching!
I'm 'Team Erin' on this one: I find Elmer T. Lee much more enjoyable than Buffalo Trace and the 'harshness'/'character' is the (negative) deciding factor for me. I got my bottle in a swap for a Blanton's Straight from the Barrel, so that is how much I was willing to overpay...
Would encourage you to do some blind flights with ETL in there if you haven’t already. It’s fun to see how it compares and contrasts to other Buffalo Trace and 90 proof products from other distilleries.
@@andrewbutler7681 it’s definitely a lot of work to double blind yourself but even single blind flights with ETL, any other 90 proof Buffalo Trace product, and two non-Buffalo Trace 90 proofers is easy and fun.
What were actually tasting in a completely blind format is misleading? 😂😂 Double blinds are about the only thing on whiskeytube that isn’t misleading to some extent due to inherent bias.
Buffalo Trace is like Nickleback. Everybody says they don' t like it, but when the song is on the radio, they sing along.
That's actually a great analogy!
I love how Erin always names weird, gross, odd flavors/scents as experiences, and then adds "but not in a bad way". LOL. How do you get chlorine up your nose "in a good way". :-) Love this channel. It's my favorite whiskey channel by far. No one else can make me want to buy a whiskey that tastes like "small pink pencil eraser"
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I think Erin missed her calling as a librarian. LOL
That’s part of the retirement plan actually. 😆
Good to know on Elmer T Lee being that close to Buffalo Trace. I doubt my unrefined palate could tell the difference. Just finished a bottle of Buffalo Trace again recently after a long break from it, and still just "meh" on it. Knowing all this, I'll probably spend my bourbon $ on something different than these two. Thanks for the great info and entertaining discussion!
Buffalo Trace is $24 and always on the shelf in Texas. It is a great deal at that price. And for that reason it’s one of my favorites. The other being Early Times bib.
i wish it was 24 here in ny...its between 36-60 bucks
27 in Oregon
I remember those popsicle joke sticks. Erin isn't alone in her privilege. 😆
Love that Clapton / BB King album. Gotta work on those accents though Josh 😂
Josh. Great choice in music. Bb king and Clapton. Heck yes.
Love the Paul Rudd reference! 🎸
Now I need to try Elmer T Lee. I am a Buffalo Trace fan. I keep it in my cabinet with many others. And I am able to get it pretty easily in Oregon. I have never seen Elmer T in my local store.
never get etl anywhere near 45 bucks
Great review! Buffalo trace store pick is Elmer T Lee. Don’t overspend!
No, they're different mashbills, but they're close...
@@kamahhl ohh yea that’s true! If someone is that good at picking out different mashbills between the two they are reaaaaaalll good!
They taste completely different to me, elmer is good... buffalo trace isn't. So weird this video has people saying this now😂 exactly what I meant by misleading
15 years ago Elmer T Lee could be found for $30 anywhere and everywhere. Pure madness what this fetches now.
I think Erin and Trenton from SLB Have been hanging out to long. The noses are getting wild.
😂 Trenton comes up with some *bizarre* stuff.
😂 😂
Josh, you remind me of Rick from The Walking Dead😆 BT is just a good pour for $25-$28. Being that close to ETL? I’d NEVER hunt it.
You two are just too stinkin’ cute! 😁 AGAIN goes to show how sought after BT products aren’t always as good as their more inexpensive cousins.
Man, I have a bottle of Elmer T Lee just sitting on the shelf because I am not sure If I will ever come across another one. I paid retail for it in Virginia but now that I am in Florida, I will probably never get another unless I am willing to spend 300-500 for it.
Just know that you're not missing too much over the standard Buffalo Trace fare. If you can ever get your hands on a Buffalo Trace single barrel store pick, it's an easy alternative and often times better than ETL.
What camera do you use for your videos? It’s very clear and the sound is great. Do you use microphones on your shirt or is it just the camera microphone?
Thanks Joe. Lots of work went into getting things to look the way they do. We use Fuji XT3s and a Deity V3 Pro microphone. Amaran lighting. Nothing fancy at all, but as they say, it's how you use it that counts.
@@stuffandwhiskey just like my wife says, it’s the motion in the ocean that counts 😂😂😂
Seriously though, thanks for the info. Your channel is fantastic!
I've never had Elmer T. Lee, but everything else I've had from Buffalo Trace has been worth less than the hype, even Blanton's SFTB, which is by far the best BT juice I've ever had. There is plenty of better stuff out there that's easier to find, and doesn't cost any more at retail.
The problem is that you can never find Elmer T Lee at retail.
Don’t bother chasing it. I’ve had it and it’s about 90% of what a regular $30 buffalo trace bottle is.
In SoCal, some stores that have access to BT can get pallets of it - price wars just over/under $20. But Elmer T Lee? $150-200 at a local shop that up charges anything that even has a hint of allocation. But people buy it up. It’s the one bottle that I’ve often heard buyers remorseful about the price but reminiscing on why they always bite when they see it. Talk about the power of suggestion. They could just keep topping off their bottle with $20 BT but it wouldn’t be the same because they would know.
15 years ago Elmer T Lee could be found for $30 anywhere and everywhere. Pure madness what this fetches now.
ETL where I am in NY is about 299. It is very findable but it does sit there for that price. I have enjoyed it but no way am I paying that price.
"Who's usually right" LOL You go girl. BT is finally becoming a shelf item around here. ETL is a unicorn but not a very good one.
We're finally getting Buffalo Trace stuff here too. So far all I've seen on the shelf is Buffalo Trace bourbon and Weller Special Reserve, but for two years I only saw BT on the shelf twice and then just half a dozen bottles or less, and nothing else from that distillery.
ETL is my favorite mixer, but it is so hard to find. I sometimes use Michters Sour Mash as a replacement
That’s what Elmer T Lee himself actually used his namesake bourbon for.
In 7up it's my go to summertime bourbon drink. And living in Florida, I get have it anytime 😂😂
But is it the best community in the bizzaro world??
🤣😂🤣😂
Seriously though I have seen exactly one ETL in the wild and it was $300. I'm sure it's still there.
My first bourbon purchase was ETL about 10 years ago. I found it in the first liquor store I looked. I paid 30 or 35 for it. I haven't seen one since.
New T-shirt goofin'!
1200+ bottles of ETL dropped in PA yesterday. For 39.99 it’s a good bottle to try but doesn’t hold up to the crazy secondary pricing.
I thought ETL was in the PA lottery. I just did an ABC search and it doesn't show up at all. Usually something will show up even if it's out of stock.
@@StevenWaltYep, last time it was offered in May 2023 it was. You never know with PA. They like to keep us guessing.
its not showing up on wine and spirits
Totally agree. It's a "wheater" so it rode Pappy's ass upwards along with Weller.
I bought a bottle of ETL in 2021 for $40. I have yet to open it. I know Josh, whiskey Selection, not Collection. Sounds like I'm not missing much and should crack it open. Thoughts?
99.9% of the bottles we have are opened so we're likely not able to provide an objective opinion. Our stance is that you can't know whether you like it unless you open it and try it. That said, there is some merit in keeping certain special bottles sealed and opening them on special occasions and/or with special people. That said, we wouldn't personally categorize ETL as "special bottle" territory so we'd open it up and start trying it compared to other things you own.
@stuffandwhiskey Well, call it an egg, and I'm cracking it! Thanks, you two! Your channel is like conversing with a friend. Stuff and Whiskey and Golden Girls. (Thank you for being a friend!) I don't know what just got into me. Similar to an Erin song reference outburst. Haha 😄 🤣
You should mention how much you would pay IF it was your first time finding it in the wild.
Same as our opinions here for this one. If there is a notable difference for a first time buy we do tend to mention it. We just haven’t ever been impressed with ETL.
Rum is the new whiskey. The rum TH-cam community would love your charm. Begin your rum journey and dominate. Lol, you don't really know what funky means, yet.
Hampden Estate has entered the chat. That’s the funniest thing we’ve tried. We both adore Foursquare.
@@stuffandwhiskey I'm impressed. You're very funky! You would definitely dominate the rum sphere bcs it's wide open. Cheers!
Never seen Elmer T Lee at list price, or double, or triple, or quadruple, or even 5 Xs retail. Ever
15 years ago you could buy it all day for $30
Good Humor Popsicles
Thanks for the great video keep up the great work
Could not agree more that E.T. Lee is way to over hyped... Its "BT Allocated" so that means you over pay and nothing super special or even different from other products in their line up.
I would LOVE to be able to just TRY some ETL, but this is more evidence to show that it just isn't worth the cuckoo-bananas $300+ secondary pricing that I have seen it go for. Regular ol' BT is fine but nowhere near any of my favorites, so at least I know what I'm NOT missing. Thanks for helping to fight the FOMO!
Another great video. I have an ETL that is really good. I got lucky and walked into one of my favorite stores last year right as it came off the truck. I paid around $45 for mine and while it’s good, I agree that it’s not worth more than that. On the other hand I have 3 single barrel store picks of Buffalo Trace that are phenomenal. I just mixed equal amounts of all 3 in bottle to enjoy later. Then my favorite store Allocated-AK is getting another single barrel Buffalo Trace in soon and I will buy at least 1 or 2 bottles of it.
Love how you both describe the nose and flavors. Love BT products, and ETL is a tough find even for me, but I have one, like it , definitely wouldn't pay more than retail though.
Why I love this channel - great example of the "stuff" part of "Stuff & Whiskey" - the long discussion of popsicle preferences :)
Sorry, I can't find the free option. Would like to join in how I can now.
If you check on the Patreon app it’s front and center. Cheers and thanks for watching Brian!
@@stuffandwhiskey Yeah.... I see the Become a Member and then the various memberships...just don't see the free one.
$26 for BT in Ohio and I don’t remember what I paid for the ETL. Both are well worth the price. Erin had it with the grape on the Buffalo Trace. Great video.
The jokes on the popsicle sticks are classic. They’re pure dad jokes. Some of them are so bad they don’t make any sense which makes it even funnier
Love the blind tasting. Gives us a different perspective.
I haven't gotten around to trying Elmer T. Lee yet. Where I live, it can only be found in museums, and even there, it doesn't turn up often. One of the local bars gets it on occasion and doesn't charge too much, so maybe I'll eventually try it there. Total Wine just came out with a lottery on which it is included. I figured that I might as well enter the lottery despite the low probability of getting anything. I selected Elmer T. Lee as one option, but not at top priority - there were a few others that interested me more. This is the only way I would ever buy a bottle - the price is $45.
Elmer T. Lee is one of many examples of the absurd levels of hype that have formed around Buffalo Trace products. In most cases, I have not found the hype to be justified. They are good products, but I've rarely found any qualities in them that make them stand out strongly from the crowd. I'll buy them only if the price matches the quality, which seldom happens. It's easier to buy good bottles that are readily available, and for something a little more interesting, store picks of Knob Creek, Maker's Mark, Russell's Reserve, and Four Roses turn up regularly and don't cost a fortune.
Love Josh's Rush reference.... I love you man!
I just received my JD S&W pick. I'm very excited to share the bottle with my buddies this weekend. We will put it in part of a JD blind. I'll let you know how it does for me and the rest of us!
That's awesome Adam! Hopefully you guys enjoy. Sounds like an absolutely awesome weekend ahead. Cheers!
I think I did overpay for ETL recently after a recommendation by an old friend haven't tried it yet we'll see.
Hopefully it's a great single barrel and you're happy with what you paid for it. At the end of the day, that's all that matters really. Cheers and thanks for watching!
Riding with the King is a great song!
I'm 'Team Erin' on this one: I find Elmer T. Lee much more enjoyable than Buffalo Trace and the 'harshness'/'character' is the (negative) deciding factor for me. I got my bottle in a swap for a Blanton's Straight from the Barrel, so that is how much I was willing to overpay...
Would encourage you to do some blind flights with ETL in there if you haven’t already. It’s fun to see how it compares and contrasts to other Buffalo Trace and 90 proof products from other distilleries.
@@stuffandwhiskey I've done some semi-blinds, but don't have the patience to go through all the steps you use... 😃
@@andrewbutler7681 it’s definitely a lot of work to double blind yourself but even single blind flights with ETL, any other 90 proof Buffalo Trace product, and two non-Buffalo Trace 90 proofers is easy and fun.
Josh you are the freaking man.
Aww shucks, you're making me blush Ryan. Cheers and thanks for watching man!
This is so misleading, buffalo trace sucks, I dreaded finishing the bottle. Elmer t lee Is actually enjoyable
What were actually tasting in a completely blind format is misleading? 😂😂 Double blinds are about the only thing on whiskeytube that isn’t misleading to some extent due to inherent bias.
Nothing misleading about this.... they did a double blind... so maybe have someone setup a double blind for you with BT and ETL.
Sounds like cope for someone who wasted 300 on a bottle worth 50
The wife is always right. They are smarter then us we all know that 😛