How Not to Eat the Planet
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- Climate Emergency Forum discusses the significant impact of food choices on the environment, with insights from Hannah Ritchie's book, "Not the End of the World," and advocates for a shift towards plant-based diets.
This video was recorded on July 10th, 2024, and published on July 28th, 2024, and represents the opinions of the discussion participants.
Hannah Ritchie’s book is praised for its comprehensive coverage of food production and its environmental implications, highlighting that reducing meat consumption, particularly beef and lamb, can significantly decrease land use and greenhouse gas emissions.
One of the key points discussed is the concept of "peak fertilizer use," where advancements in agricultural technology and practices have led to more efficient use of fertilizers, potentially stabilizing their usage. The conversation also touches on the environmental trade-offs of synthetic fertilizers, which, while boosting crop yields, contribute to pollution and greenhouse gas emissions. The importance of developing green alternatives to fossil fuel-based fertilizers is underscored as a critical step towards sustainable agriculture.
The dialogue also addresses the broader implications of dietary choices on health and longevity. It is noted that reducing the intake of certain amino acids, such as leucine, which is abundant in animal products, may support longer lifespans. This point aligns with the overall advocacy for plant-based diets, which are presented as not only environmentally beneficial but also conducive to better health outcomes.
Overall, the conversation encourages individuals to make informed and conscious food choices, highlighting that even small changes can collectively lead to significant environmental benefits.
Links:
- Diet for a New America
www.alibris.co...
- Dr. Hannah Ritchie
en.wikipedia.o...
- Rapid global phaseout of animal agriculture has the potential to stabilize greenhouse gas levels for 30 years and stabilize and offset 68 percent of CO2 emissions this century
www.biorxiv.or...
- Food and Climate Change: Healthy diets for a healthier planet
www.un.org/en/...
- For love of meat: Five trends in China that meat executives must grasp
www.mckinsey.c...
- A global FAOSTAT reference database of cropland nutrient budgets and nutrient use efficiency (1961-2020): nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium
essd.copernicu...
- How agriculture drones can enhance production
www.innovation...
- How Green Hydrogen and Ammonia Are Revolutionizing the Future of Energy Production: A Comprehensive Review of the Latest Developments and Future Prospects
www.mdpi.com/2...
- Living Longer by Reducing Leucine Intake
nutritionfacts...
- Our World in Data
ourworldindata...
Regular Panelists:
Dr. Peter Carter - MD, Expert IPCC Reviewer and the director of the Climate Emergency Institute
Regina Valdez - Program Director, Climate Reality Project, NYC. GreenFaith Fellow and LEED Green Associate
Video Production:
Charles Gregoire - Electrical Engineer, Webmaster and IT prime for FacingFuture.Earth & the Climate Emergency Forum; Climate Reality Leader
Heidi Brault - Video production and website assistant, Organizer and convener, Metadata technician, COP team lead for FacingFuture.Earth and the Climate Emergency Forum; BA (Psychology); Climate Reality Leader
Our Website:
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Attributions:
Background Music:
- Title: Through the City II
- Author: Crowander
- Source: crowander.com
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Thank you for this video. I went vegetarian during my uni studies because I learned of the outsized environment damage caused by the meat industry. It sadly took me a few more years to connect the dots between the dairy and egg industry and rhe environmental and animal harm that I thought I wasn't partaking in. I had ditched plastic straws for the sake of marine life yet still paid for the harm to livestock for food when it was completely unnecessary. Vegan 18 months now and my only regret is I didn’t do it sooner.
"I just wish I'd gone vegan sooner" - every vegan ever ❤
Same here
As long as people aren't talking about overpopulation, and people are flying for tourism, vacations, driving trucks & SUVs, having kids, talking about growing the economy, living a life of consumerism, etc., any talk about eating less or no meat seems moot. Our only chance would be a global effort which isn't happening.
Yes, a global effort to reduce pollution in food production is neccessary, but to achieve this a lot of talk rather than "any talk" is required.
I think you’re talking nonsense, but you just sound like a jealous little lefty therefore irrelevant
any action is moot if we do not change everything, food, economy, pollution, population. they all have to happen quickly.
we still have to do anything we can and be a part of the solution, no excuses. sacrifices have to be made.
Commenting before the others do that say a minority of rich people use all the resources but the bill of people in poor countries are not using them. As if the impoverished countries peoples aren’t aspiring to developing similar lifestyles and the rich countries want to get richer developing said nations.
@@sudd3660Youre starting to sound like a good lil brainwashed communist. The people pumping this propaganda want you to eat bugs and ride a bicycle so they can fly around on private jets and eat steak. Get it.. people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage…
Why is almost no one talking about ecological overshoot? I had hopes for years things would change before they got this bad. Started looking into overshoot and it made so much sense, it was disheartening and I'll leave it at that.
Yeah good question. If only William Cattons' OVERSHOOT had been mandatory reading for everyone when it was published... we're in a world of pain now. Disheartening alright.
A superb commentary. The best and only commentary on this subject that I've encountered. I've been vegan for over 50 years, and I can say that giving up meat wasn't difficult at all. It's easier to give up meat than it is to give up one's automobile. There is a plethora of foods that are nutritionally-sound substitutes for meat. I will add this, which isn't related to the subject matter of this video: Leaving aside such moral atrocities as genocide, which do eventually end, the greatest moral atrocity being committed in the world is the enslavement, torture and murder of billions of animals, which does not end. Humanity cannot and will not survive that if it continues. Switch to a plant-based diet, humanity, or go extinct, probably within 50 years.
I grew up in sub saharan Africa, in a country that, in the past, has not suffered from food shortages. The country has, unwittingly, been pretty much vegan and, not only that, more than 90% powered by hydroelectricity. Thus, the footprint of the average citizen is less than 200kg, or around 10% of your average westerner. Climate change has brought with it havoc over the past few years, with successive droughts that have resulted in crop failure, pushing the population towards bushmeat and aid for survival. The hunting of wildlife has decimated wildlife populations, dropping to way less than 10% of the numbers of 60 odd years ago....and, of course, the drought has brought their energy programme to a standstill......Their country in ruins by the excesses of the west......In this fast evolving situation, we need farming to be as diverse as possible to weather the storm, or else, you can kiss goodbye to all the other animals we supposedly share this earth with.
Ive been vegan for 10 years and getting healthier more every year .Had Hept C now they can't find it. 72 drumming teaching working on my own cars .No pills no alcohol no drugs .
Imaginary solutions to imaginary problems. Eat clean, be happy, mind your own business.
God bless you ....good evening
Same to you
Proud vegan of 7 years. I am out on the impossible burger...too similar tasting to animal meat. Beyond burger is a good burger and does not taste like animal meat. My husband and I are rewilding our yard as well. Thanks for all you do! ❤
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much for your support!
You should be able to be vegan without these fake synthetic meat substitute products.
Water is monetized whether it is bottled or not.
I don’t have an issue with paying a municipality to cover the cost of water treatment and distribution, but private companies should not be able to “invest” in water. It’s infuriating that society has allowed that to happen, but this is the same society that monetized healthcare
@@96toyotacamry99We monetized illness and so called “healthcare”.. one in the same. Almost every isle in the grocery store is poisonous to humans
Peter Carter, props for being vegan! Loving it. Here to promote the vegan cause!
we may set a record for minimum ice extent in the arctic this summer. the old ice above greenland is melting fast
Informative Forum: I always find it startling that some cattle ranchers are always complaining about the estimated 1,500 grizzly bears in the lower 48 and then never mention the 85+ million cattle in the lower 48. I’m always trying to reduce my cruelty-footprint. Mass-cruelty, mass-violence, mass-killing, mass-environmental-devastation & mass-disease-propagation seem to go hand in hand with the meat, dairy, egg industrial industries. Adult Cattle sell for about $3,000 and produce about 3,000 1/4 pound hamburgers, how many gallons of water, electricity, chemicals, hormones, antibiotics & grain to produce those 3,000 hamburgers ? Loma Linda, California is one of the 6 “Blue Zones”.
On the personal footprint:
I think the invention was an own goal by BP, because:
Anyone who analyses their personal footprint immediately recognises how large a proportion cannot be directly influenced by personal behaviour.
For me, I have been eating little meat for a long time, which was difficult for me at first,
the most surprising thing was that the largest single item related to my diet was my coffee consumption,
which I have since drastically reduced, which is even more difficult for me than giving up meat.
I keep looking for insects as a source of protein and am always surprised by how expensive these products are.
Thanks
You're welcome
Thank you so very much for talking about this topic! Too often food is entirely left out in environmental discussions. Abstaining from animal products in our own lives is a hugely impactful thing we ALL can do, and in doing so, the animals, the planet, and our health will all benefit. I've been vegan for 4.5 years and I only wish I had done it sooner!
The biggest thing we can do in Temperate regions is to produce our own food. If we import it from Tropicsl regions, which many countries do, we are doing so at the expense of rainforest. We need to pay countries in regions of tropical rainforest, to not only keep it but naturally regenerate it, as compensation for their lost export market in agricultural products......The global effect of this by far outways an efforts we might make to follow restrictive diets.
Terminology is important. Technically, Hannah is talking about switching to a plant-based diet in order to reduce our ecological impact. Others eat a plant-based diet for health reasons. However, this isn't the same as being vegan. Veganism is an ethical belief system rooted in the desire to minimise animal suffering.
It would help if you proofread your response before posting it, or maybe I'm wrong. Is a pant-based diet the new fad for gealth, whomever that may be.
FYI. Corn ethanol isn't produced as a fuel . It replaces lead in gasoline to reduce knock. Higher compression engines which are more fuel efficient will have the fuel combust before the spark plug fires if the octane isn't high enough so ethanol is a octane booster. Better than having large amounts of lead in the environment. I asked why drag racer cars use methanol. It's because it has a high octane level.
“Politicians”
Have the will…
To do 1 thing and “ONE” thing
ONLY.
And that’s:
Self- preservation/ being corrupt.
People MUST be “active” participants in governance and in the products they purchase/ support.
There are many problems with the agricultural data on the OWID site that stem from an ignorance of the farming world. The data is then used in studies which adds bias to results and misinforms policymakers and commentary on the realities of tackling climate change.......As for the study repeatedly mentioned by Peter.....it is a study funded by an alt protein company and carried out by the employees of that company. As we are fast finding out, all of the relevant sectors involved in the climate change debate are awash with corporate science bias for the very reason that the studies are funded by wealth funds with vested interests in the chosen solutions. Pick your studies carefully, starting with, who funded it and are the students telling the truth about their conflict of interest.....many are not
We can cook our veggies burgers ourselves as well.
Using syntetic fertilizers is way to hell! In this talk you should more concentrate not only to plant based diet, but more to no-till regenerative farming using intercropping etc... soil is destructed all over the world with "modern" agriculture techniques 🙈🙁 to this video I put no like sign....
They always say I'm enjoying these shows in the wrong way and this is a very serious subject, but I just find Dr Carter's grumpy and desperate character so great. I don't know why he is not a meme. This format of Mon Mothma is talking to Dr Carter is just so great. I'm probably subconsciously avoiding to think about people who are flying to a climate conferences, eating a tons of meat there that is transported through very inefficient channels and then giving nice speeches about the imminent green deal without realizing how impossible it is in the world where they are living.
Good for your health, too, to eat less animal products.
Food choices are huge. But also your procreative choices. Having one less child has a much larger impact.
Thanks Regina ,Charles and Peter great information in this video!
1.5 C is already in the rearview mirror! Stop bringing that number back up as if it is still achievable.
Thanks for bringing reality to the twilight zone. We may even be past 2 C.
I’m a recovering vegetarian, thank god, and I’m 100% committed to optimal health which means eating beef. Sorry, but that’s that. We can change the way we raise animals, particularly beef, to dramatically reduce emissions but taking it away, that’s a declaration of war and again, that’s that.
Just started listening. The amount of plastic disposable bottles for water we use has got to be incredible. And totally wasteful and expensive. For the past few years I’ve been using the same giant coffee mug for drinking water at work and on the road.
The initial reason was to just save money but now I don’t feel bad how old and ugly it’s gotten over time its ratty appearance has become a humorous environmental statement
Not another leak going on about plastic disposable bottles I can’t stand it. Far more important, our ladies sanitary towels Why don’t you talk about those?
400 million tons of plastic produced in 2022..
Disposable coffee cups are something easy to phase out too. Businesses normally do not give incentive to bring your own mug. Perhaps they should just be restricted by law (along with the plastic water bottles).
So many things need to be phased out. We can start quickly with the most unnecessary.
I think it would be great to cover the subject of precision fermentation.
Precision fermentation is the goal of ecomodernist hypercapitalism.... complete domination of the food market for a tiny handful of companies, an end to small mixed farms, which, thus far, have acted as the buffer alongside the biodiversity desert of industrial arable, a refuge for remaining populations of native species adapted to 10,000 years of agriculture.
Burger king isn't food
In Mexico the further north the more meat in the diet . Alyshia Galvez/Eating NAFTA talks about this.
We have cut all the major meats and fish, except chicken (which my partner insists on continuing to eat). We are getting quails, when we move in a few years to start more serious homesteading, so we no longer buy grocery bought. The dairy is a lot harder to quit though... especially cheese, butter, and ice cream.
Does it make any sense to be putting solar panels onto arable land?
Surely it makes more sense to put them on the steeper slopes, which are too steep for tractors?
So many ways to engineer solar, wind, hydrolic and nuclear. We need to be focusing on those four and maybe more to scale out fossil fuels.
People in Brasil Earth a lot of meat ... one, 1 kg of. Beef is around. 40. Euros
Aren't those plant burgers cooked in butter?
"Wither the politicians have the will" Sorry but I always have to bite back when that comment is made.
Politician will only works in a dictatorship. In a democracy, it's the people who has to have the will.
Canada has a Prime Minister that has the will. But there's a large section of the population that rejects his every attempt to do something about the issue.
He has to keep the anti Trudeau / Liberal crowd small enough to keep the Conservatives from taking power.
The book has many valid points, however Hannah Ritchie on this occasion is extremely conflicted. Having studied climate and weather and its climate related issues and references, I found it a very frustrating read. Often using percentages in a manner that paint a picture of us making huge inroads in solving our planet’s issues. It is not possible to feed the world or prevent climate breakdown with an ever growing population. We are on a planet that is floating in space. The waste we produce stays on the planet. Water has been drawn to a point that thousands of aquifer’s are so depleted that countries are struggling. Crops need water no water no crops. We have changed how and where it rains and the seasons. Farmers struggle to predict when to set their crops, GHG emissions are increasing exponentially even now. The wealth is controlled by one percent of the population. The list goes on. The only possible scenario is a systematic change. We live in the real world. Just look around, the majority riot if they can’t get fuel, what does one think will happen when all the issues get compounded. I think we all know but most try not to think about it. You can only keep so many fish in a tank, eventually no matter how many filters you use, food you can supply the environment will get toxic and fish will die. The analogy is the same for humans, the only difference is with climate change food will get ever more difficult to supply.
Sad Times
We're done. It's already way past time for our collective doom.
Take a look at what said
Egon Cholakian
Crossroads
Creative Society video 😮
Everything is fine
Even if we fail it would be disgraceful not putting out an effort to fix this problem.
I use the Beyond hack always to replace meat. Very tasty! It’s made of peas and contains haem, so it resembles meat.
I am trying to mostly eat organic food. I am an omnivore. I have turned my sisters lawn into a flower meadow, one in progress, as I am adding more native plants to it. The pond was empty, so I filled it with plants and native sticklebacks!❤😊 The flower boarders are stuffed with herbaceous perennials, too!!!❤😊 So, I have done my bit for Mother Nature. I have loved nature and gardening my whole life!!! Plus, I will never use chemicals again!!! I may of said this before? But I do like blowing my own trumpet!!!😂😅😊
The driving issue is still overpopulation
An impossible burger..., don't look up the ingredients, just knowing what's in it could kill you. Try boiling a pot of potatoes, and add Sunflower oil from Ukraine, and a touch of Tamari, from Japan, you'll be in pig heaven.
I really want to help save the planet. I cycle everywhere.
However, I can't eat high arginine foods (vegan food). In spite of what the health findings are, I need to eat a lot of high Lysine foods. I get fever blisters very easily if I don't.
I contracted a virulent form of this virus by teaching kids in Asia when they all broke out with these colds sores around the same time of year.
The only thing keeping this condition under control is a high Lysine diet. I totally avoid vegan food because if I eat said food, my life is shut down because this diet leads to fever blisters. I don't go out and see people when I have a fever blister. It really shuts down my life.
Still, I could probably give up meat, as I already eat a reduced amount. But what I could never give up would be dairy. All those milk replacements need to be avoided as they, too, bring on instant fever blisters and I just cannot live that way.
I love watching these 30 year old posts when we might of had a chance , its a shame all that optimism was misplaced . Imagine how ignorant humans must be if they need telling this 30 years later !!
I swore this was David Harvey at first.
And…
“The Planet” is going to be fine for
BILLIONS OF YEARS…
“WITHOUT” humans…
👍
Dr. Carter - Just so you know, Dr. Tuttle, while extremely knowledgeable about food and veganism, he is a climate change denier, thinks it is a total lie. His latest book (2024) lays this out explicitly.
Regina darling, doing a little is the same as doing nothing. In reality, and ironically, the more we pollute the air, the better for the aerosol masking effect. Do a show on reality.
Not causing the death of one animal is not the same as killing that animal. Since our diets are so closely related to the deaths of individual sentient beings, it is definitely important to that animal for you to not pay for their death. Ideally everyone would be vegan, but to claim that doing a little is the same as business as usual is demonstrably false.
Makes more sense to me that jet fuel and rocket fuel that also goes up and alot stays. Is a bigger problem. Please report all rockets going up and lets see how much the military jets and commercial jets fuel also stays up there. Why dont we talk about this. I mean they are in our atmosphere alot!
Gotta say this one was quite a bit awkward. What really got me was Regina telling that "we" (humans, I suppose) "have to fight to our last dying breath .. because earth depends on us". Well... no, it doesn't. Not a single bit. Earth will be totally fine without humans. It's the other way around. Now, Regina knows that very well. I think she just got overboard by the hopium mindset. Because let's be honest, the idea that the whole world will turn vegan fast enough to make a truly positive impact is just a big green pipe dream. No government in the world can force people to stop eating meat. Ain't gonna happen. Promoting eating less meat is good, but apart from that this talk was very theoretic.
BTW love that you didn't scold meat replacement products. Best vegan burger I know is the Garden Gourmet Sensational Burger. Idk if the brand's available in the US, I'm in Europe.
There are many things we can do without having to rely on the behavioural change of 8bn individuals. Covering landfill with soil, stopping leaks in the o and g industry and making sure countries in Temperate regions are self sufficient in food production would go a long way to buying us time to change at the current rate.......but corporations have grabbed hold of the argument....They now vet the IPCC, hold UN conferences in petrostates, invest heavily in the 'green' industries they have chosen as solutions. This green revolution will have more of an impact on giving global power to a tiny few companies that it will on addressing climate change and biodiversity collapse. As many have been shouting for decades.... system change not climate change.
I'm sure there is a lot we can do. However....
Nope, the planets fine, shame about all the extinct species...
Whenever one saying "every little bit helps" - this one denies tipping points.
More generally - those 'little bit helpers' are denying limits at all. But feel good....
"Americas Test Kitchen" has great vegan recipes! Making your own bean burgers is better than the fake meat ones. A lot of fake meats are made of wheat gluten or soy both of which I avoid.
Thanks for sharing
Not all beef is the same. Stop vilifying cattle as grass-fed organic locally sourced beef is definitely sustainable and to say otherwise is disingenuous.
When you categorise all beef in one statement you're pandering to the vegetarian/vegan evangelists which I have absolutely no time for.
I do however fully support and agree with the climate crisis that we are in and that we need to do something quite serious however attacking all beef is not one that I endorsed.
Impossible burger way better than beyond burger...soy versus pea...can hardly wait for other ingredients to be converted into burgers...thanks for your work...Pax Sine Bello...pengie...
Think fewer humans on planet earth. 10 billion eating persons on planet earth are vast overshoot. You think they are happy, the children of the poorest peoples and countries? Dying of malnutrition and hunger as the are?
Yep, it all starts with population. The #1 thing you can do is not having kids. And globally, with industrializing countries... Canada is responsible for 1.5%? When Canada's government keeps talking about growing its economy, growing its population with immigration, etc., with industrializing countries emitting more and more... Even if 100% of us Canadians would move to just eating salad, it wouldn't change a darn thing.
Becpme a vegetariana
Hi Miss, very odd but I enjoy food. What are we going to do when the Nut cutlet and chickpea are staple, desirable celebratory dinners!
The only way out will be Switzerland
In Switzerland, if you are a woman, be it married or unmarried, you are referred to as Mrs. They consider it a title of distinction. They will fail in trying to save what's left of their Alp's ice. No, Switzerland is not the answer. Maybe Greenland? Perhaps a fish filet will still be available.
Grasslands, meadows and pastures need rudimentary to keep soil healthy.
Did you mean ruminants?🐮🐮
This is something that is completely absent from the 'vegan as a solution' debate. If we replace the cows with other ruminants, there is no emissions benefit....if we intend to harvest the growth to produce biogas, we will almost certainly end up with an intensive monoculture of no use to biodiversity. The downstream variables are many and completely ignored....
I have meatless mondays
So Tuesday through Sunday are meatful days. Enjoy it while you still can.
Eat, drink, and be merry. All the talk and no known solvable remedy can solve the insoluble.
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Good for George, he wasn't a breeder.😇
right cool but how can we eat it faster though?
I'm going to continue to eat meat, I can cut down a fraction of meat consumption though. There is more pressing issues than diet shifts, more sustainable technology is a far more important focus, therefore the focus should be about creating more sustainable tech, and lab grown meat.
Lab grown meat! Ick , ugh!
Lab grown meat is extremely resource intensive, with many unstudied drawbacks.