I have 10,000 km on my 2018 Advanced Pro 0 and I've been very happy with this bike. I do wish mine had a bit more tire clearance and fender mounts, but other than that I'm hoping I'll be able to put another 10k on the bike in the future. I've thought about getting a newer, updated bike, but at 72 I doubt I'll ever be able to equal my bike's potential.
I have the 2019 version of this bike (Advanced Pro 0 with 11sp Ultegra Di2 and a power meter). It's fantastic: very well made, surprisingly light, extremely stable and very, very comfortable. You can use it as a light gravel bike but it's fast enough to keep up with most any group ride. IMO, one of the best all-around road bikes on the market.
Would you mind telling me whether a traditional rack and panniers can fit onto the bike. The revolt over era a seat tube collar which allows one to connect a rack to it. Just wondered if this is something you have pondered? Many thanks.
What on earth is happening to the bike industry? Giant report profits are down 49%. The Defy has traditionally been viewed as their budget friendly range, yet the bottom of the range Tiagra equipped Advance 3 is £2300!! The £6000 Defy model is being dubbed as the 'Best Value'.... hmmm.... Do we need Sherlock on the case?
Your videos are excellent, I always watch them with interest, thanks to your review I have just bought a Giant Defy Advanced 1 105 Di2, I can't wait to get out on it. 👍
hi David have 2024 Defy Advanced 1 modal 105 di2 a very nice bike with a comfy ride as with my bikes I have tweaked it and swapped out the crank to GRX 12 speed 48-32 with 11-36 Outback works very well waiting on carbon wheels to turn up but no rush as it's my summer bike. Had a KMC chain on it very noisy but replaced it with a Shimano one to sort that out. over all very impressed with the small rides that i have managed on it so far.
when I get the new wheels i will do and put it on here for you it is 8.2kg as i type this have some 40mm deep wheels on at the moment im sure it will go down to 7.5 @@martindimbleby1439
@@andrewgibbons8159 I weighted a stock bike in store 8.65kgs size M/L no pedals but with bottle cages. Put some lightweight wheels and tyres and it'll be a great bike
Splendid review of this bike. Got myself for 5000 euro a BMC roadmachine one a few months ago , ultegra di2 also. Brake cables are not integrated, but i rather prefer that. No need for a power meter. So I think i'm still better off with that one.
Just picked up a sweet size small 2024 model in Taiwan for about $4500 (if you subtract the Garmin Edge 540 as part of the deal). Weighed in exactly at 16 pounds without pedals on my home scale! Absolutely a dream to ride.
Are you abe to confirm what size tyre actually fits the new 2024 Defy? I've seen you run 38s on other bikes. So, just wondering if they actually fit and how much clearance there is for nobbly tyres at 38mm. Thanks!
I have always been a TCR man, but as the age is getting on, I am seriously considering a defy... Although my 21 TCR Pro 1 disk is not happy with that 🤣.
I really don't think you can beat this for an all purpose (quick) bike that looks good too. If I were in the market for a new steed, I'd go with this one.
i would be interested to know whats the difference between the defy 2023 to 2024 in addition to the frame weight saving. it might be a more cost effective to find a 2023 model
Yea 6000 is A LOT of money but considering what the other brands are offering, getting a full carbon frame with Ultegra DI2, integrated cable routing and LR dual power meter for 6K in today's climate seems like a pretty fair deal to me.
I always like to compare what you’d get for the same price with a motor bike - the answer is, you’d get a very good high-end motor bike for that price. Something has gone wrong with this market.
As always, great content! I enjoy every detail (I even noticed the downtube bottle cage is mounted upside down). David, when you test the Advance Pro 0 it would be helpful if you could share your evaluation of the Power Meter. GP Lama just did a blistering review of a Shimano Power Meter... Also, curious about how tall you are. I also ride Giant bikes and am between M and M/L and need to think about which way to go. Overall, and desipite my comment about the power meter, I prefer Shimano and can see no reason why one would pay twice as much for a very similar bike with Sram. Tough time of the year to test a bike- stay warm!
I just bought this bike and love it! :) It is quite an upgrade from the analog 105 2010 Specialized Roubaix I was riding (also a good bike). Thanks for this review. :)
David, can the spacers be easily removed and placed on top of the stem to experiment with fit, similar to a custom spacer like that of the Cervelo Caledonia 5? Or, does the D-shaped steerer make fitting spacers on top of the stem difficult? Thanks!
I believe it is, that being said you should make sure the bike fits you first. If it does, you can't beat the Adv Pro 0 in terms of value.@@benjaminlefebvre7471
I started my riding on a Defy 0 in 2015, it was great and only road bike I've ever owned. But it was stolen a year ago. Today I went in a Giant store and tried on TCR for the first time. Oh man, I am only 30 but I felt TCR is too aggressive for me. Am I spoiled by Defy? Should I push myself for TCR?
I made the same switch aged 48. I'm in my 60s now. Got used to the change after a fortnight. FWIW, I had the same reservations at first. Soon forgot about it and adapted to the ride. Love my TCR. Just work on your flexibility and core strength in the early months and your body soon adapts.
Its a lovely bike fair play but nearly 6 grand its just ridiculous these days i have a 2016 Giant tcr advanced pro dura ace 10 speed with carbon wheels 6.7kg cost £1400 2nd hand unbelievable bike.
I'm trying to decide between this bike and a Specialized Aethos, and would love to hear your impressions of the ride quality (handling, comfort, climbing, etc) between these two bikes.
They are very different in many aspects since you're comparing essentially a race bike to an endurance bike which impacts the handling a lot. What's your main desire with your new bike?
I live in the SF Bay Area, with lots of rollers and climbs (ie. 3-6 miles), flat sections are very limited. Generally 2 to 4 hour rides, at a brisk (but non-race) pace. I'm 67 and 130lbs. Would like a bike that is responsive and comfortable at the same time (which many reviewers tout as the positives for the Aethos). Primarily road riding, no significant plans for gravel. I realize the Aethos has a race geometry similar to the Tarmac, but considering it accommodates a traditional bar/stem, I can match/exceed the taller stack and shorter reach of the new Defy. Thanks!
Great review and lovely bike. I bought this one too! Did you cut the steerer tube down David? Or can you just remove one of the spacers without having to do that?
Thanks Simon hope the bike is working out for you well. The steerer tube was already cut down for me before it arrived. You could remove the spacers and pop a round one on top to try a lower position before you commit to cutting
@@davidarthur Thanks David. Yes I love the bike! It’s so comfortable and feels as fast as the TCR/Propel I tried….I will try that tip with a round spacer on top to try a lower position. With you testing so many bikes I wonder if this one will be a keeper?!
I was in a bike shop Saturday. A trek fx that was €670 had plastic brake levers. Greed is ruining the bike industry. They are putting cheaper parts on bikes, they are getting heaveir (4k bikes are pushing nearly 10kg) and more expensive. No thanks, I'll keep my 2015 canyon endurance cf 10 that weighs 7.7kg.
David, another informative video and a great channel; thank you. However, £6K for a bike is out of my price bracket. Especially in a time where the cost of living is so high 😢. I'll be sticking with 2000 Condor and 2018 BMC ALR01 for now.
“Half the price, half the performance?” Don’t we all wish, because then the converse would also be true. I could trade in my $1000 Allez for a $12,000 Defy SL and magically increase my average speed from 24 km/hr to 284 km/hr. Buy the bike that costs nearly as much as a car. Go all in for aero. Go tubeless. Wax your chain. Wear a skin suit. Wear aero socks. Still at the end of the day, it’s not nearly as much about the bike as it is about the engine. Sepp Kuss would still beat me if he were riding a tricycle.
This model is an endurance oriented, yet you get the "pro" version which is less comfortable and the version with the (shite) carbon wheels which makes it even stiffer. On an endurance bike. Get the on with aluminium wheels and standard carbon frame. It's the best value in Giant's range
Why spend this much on a bike I feel? For 400€ I can get a White AX+ 290 FF, a nice-looking aluminium frame gravel bike with hydraulic brakes, 9-speed microshift gears, tan sidewall tires, midnight-blue metallic paint and a 13kg weight. Or for 700€ I can get a White SC Lite Advent with a 10-speed microshift, hydraulic brakes, internal cable routing and an 11kg weight. I would be able to get basically the same speed on this bike as I would on the one in the video.
10 Months ago I bought a new Specialized Stumpjumper Expert for 3100 Euro on a super sale! *THAT* was a 'Best Value' case. But £6000 for that Defy model is a joke in 2023/24 in my personal opinion.
This is the one I’ve been debating 🤔 main things that put me off is the price. Yes it’s cheaper than the SL but it’s still £6000 and the colour doesn’t really inspire me. That said it’s still an impressive package in today’s market.
IMO £6,000 of dullness! How does any bike cost 6k? I've been cycling for years and there's nothing there that warrants that much money. A cheap carbon frame, some hookless death trap wheels which are cheaper to make and some cheap Giant own brand parts. Not even decent tyres for 6k. The only thing on that bike worth having is the Ultegra. I bought a Carbon Giant Revolt last year with electronic gearing on it for £3,000 and the more I think about it the more I think even that is overpriced and I was ripped off. Don't even get me started on the almost £12k defy!
Yup didn't mention it but based on extension testing and riding of many hookless wheels over the last couple of years I see no issue with it, works just fine. I hear the fear-mongering out there but mostly misplaced in my experience
Started cycling 15 years ago in my fifties. Only ever buy used bikes. Got a 5 year-old Ribble r872 carbon full Ultegra for £250 the other day. New prices are ridiculous - if you're paying them you've had your head messed with.
Ultegra Di2 ✅ 7.6kg ✅ Comfortable over 200km✅ Slightly more aggressive geometry for an old racer✅ Price in Australia? Already secured a discount…. ✅ Can’t wait to challenge my crew on - Giant Propel , Trek Edmonda . I’ve ordered 30mm GP 5000 trs for my new Giant Defy Adv Pro 0 think I’ll fly 🤟 Looking forward to your reviews David .
1200 euros difference with the canyon endurance cf slx di2. even if the defy is very good it does not justify such a difference GIANT has become much too expensive
6K 😂😂😂 I’ve just purchased a Colnago C64, disc brakes, Campag SR for £2500. It was an 11K build in 2020 by its previous owner. The industry needs those who are willing to spend 6K on a massively overpriced bicycle, those that spend 12K really are a special kind of….
This guy is so likeable, and super knowledgeable. I think his vlogs r absolutely terrific. My only critique is he is such an enormous Giant fan, that sometimes his reviews and comparisons seem biased. Super good guy tho, just a small complaint👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
Kudos for reviewing a (relatively) more affordable bike. Frustrating when it's only top end bikes that are reviewed. Any chance of reviewing the Scott Addict? Keen to see how that compares to the new Defy as another example of a speedier endurance bike. Keep up the good work
The price of bikes is ridiculous, since i last bought one 5 years ago, the equivalent model has increased in price by around 30-40% Really is becoming the new golf, for well to do middle class types
Would consider a frame only in the UK but no option for this unlike the TCR, Anyone any idea why not believe in certain countries you can have a frame only Motorcycles can be cheaper than bikes 🤔 loads more tech, we are being taken for a ride literally
Worth watching my comparison with that bike I reckon, it's more than just the sum of its parts. But if you're just buying based on the spec list the Canyon does indeed look good value
@@davidarthur in that test you said that giant is cheaper and better in value for money. But when you compare prices actualy is Endurace who gets you the most for the money. I know that UK prices are different then EU prices but still. 1k is a lot of money even if giant is a little bit better, you can pimp the canyon or you get full riding kit for yourself and still have money left for next season 😅
@@Flexo_l When I made that video I reference the CF SLX 7 105 Di2 which at the time of making the video wasn't as good value as the Giant. Obviously I can only compare UK prices and they do change around the world, we have Brexit and import tax to thank for higher prices :(
I think the most overvalued part of recent bikes is drive train. Di2 .. Ultegra.. yeah it is good. But more than $15,00 on it... Really that valuable? I think $700 is just enough .. or even less.. I will never understand that Ultegra or dura-ace version of drive train are more that $2,000. Yeah it is pro version , so it`s price should be, but for most people.. isnt it just marketing? Bike Industry is just "assembling" industry. carbon frames, carbon wheels.. maybe.. those are the only part they can make profits. If simano , sram ,campa are not dicount their part, the bike prices can not go down. My opinion about it is that Chinese Ltwoo or others will replaces shimano, Sram Few customers still use overvalued Shimano , Sram , but majority will be chinese one.
They serve no performance purpose and reduce margin of safety. Zipp and Enve have introduced only to reduce their manufacturing costs. From an engineering standpoint, this is a no go.
7,5 kgs? How is that possible while a Giant TCR 2022 with Ultegra with disc brake, 2x11 mechanica;l weighs 8,7 kgs I think it was. The TCR frame and fork are lighter. Mechanical gears are lighter
I have 10,000 km on my 2018 Advanced Pro 0 and I've been very happy with this bike. I do wish mine had a bit more tire clearance and fender mounts, but other than that I'm hoping I'll be able to put another 10k on the bike in the future.
I've thought about getting a newer, updated bike, but at 72 I doubt I'll ever be able to equal my bike's potential.
I have the 2019 version of this bike (Advanced Pro 0 with 11sp Ultegra Di2 and a power meter). It's fantastic: very well made, surprisingly light, extremely stable and very, very comfortable. You can use it as a light gravel bike but it's fast enough to keep up with most any group ride. IMO, one of the best all-around road bikes on the market.
Would you mind telling me whether a traditional rack and panniers can fit onto the bike. The revolt over era a seat tube collar which allows one to connect a rack to it. Just wondered if this is something you have pondered? Many thanks.
@@lostcomposeryes you can
What on earth is happening to the bike industry? Giant report profits are down 49%. The Defy has traditionally been viewed as their budget friendly range, yet the bottom of the range Tiagra equipped Advance 3 is £2300!! The £6000 Defy model is being dubbed as the 'Best Value'.... hmmm.... Do we need Sherlock on the case?
cycling media is out of touch with the real consumers and are totally in the pocket of the companies and sponsors
You are paying more for everything. Stop picking bike prices as your hill to die on.
@@Penalist disagree - most European countries follow the same price ranges. Brexit is irrelevant in this case
@@tsops22 While you didn't need to provide an argument to say you disagree, you did, and now you need a better one.
@@WilliamGHayes not really, my point is pretty clear if you look at the original comment. Brexit is irrelevant in this case.
Your channel is great, calm nuanced manner of bike reviews, I love my new Defy 105di2 version
Glad you like them!
Still got my 2012 defy. Such a comfortable ride!! And not too far away from tcr
Just picked up last years adv pro with 105 and carbon rims for £2700. Happy with that.
Earlier this year I bought the DEFY ADVANCED PRO 2, 2022 model. Continent tyres and replaced the rear cassette to 11-30 for closer ratios. 👍🏻
Your videos are excellent, I always watch them with interest, thanks to your review I have just bought a Giant Defy Advanced 1 105 Di2, I can't wait to get out on it. 👍
Thanks so much!!
David, I could listen to you all day. Your vocabulary and English accent are a great combination.
hi David have 2024 Defy Advanced 1 modal 105 di2 a very nice bike with a comfy ride as with my bikes I have tweaked it and swapped out the crank to GRX 12 speed 48-32 with 11-36 Outback works very well waiting on carbon wheels to turn up but no rush as it's my summer bike. Had a KMC chain on it very noisy but replaced it with a Shimano one to sort that out. over all very impressed with the small rides that i have managed on it so far.
@waynemillin7476 Thats the model I'm looking at, have you weighted? Thanks
when I get the new wheels i will do and put it on here for you it is 8.2kg as i type this have some 40mm deep wheels on at the moment im sure it will go down to 7.5 @@martindimbleby1439
This is the one I’d choose
Hi. I am looking to purchase the bike you have. What weight please?
@@andrewgibbons8159 I weighted a stock bike in store 8.65kgs size M/L no pedals but with bottle cages. Put some lightweight wheels and tyres and it'll be a great bike
Splendid review of this bike. Got myself for 5000 euro a BMC roadmachine one a few months ago , ultegra di2 also.
Brake cables are not integrated, but i rather prefer that.
No need for a power meter. So I think i'm still better off with that one.
Why should I spend more (+1000 gbp) for a brand like Giant over Van Rysel or Vitus with the same full groupset for example?
Just picked up a sweet size small 2024 model in Taiwan for about $4500 (if you subtract the Garmin Edge 540 as part of the deal). Weighed in exactly at 16 pounds without pedals on my home scale! Absolutely a dream to ride.
Are you abe to confirm what size tyre actually fits the new 2024 Defy? I've seen you run 38s on other bikes. So, just wondering if they actually fit and how much clearance there is for nobbly tyres at 38mm. Thanks!
Looking for your riding review of this bike.
Another great video!!
David, try to compare this one with TCR in terms of uphill performance.
I am looking forward to watching your next video about your impressions on the road🤔👍
Can’t wait to watch the full review! Would really like to see how it stacks up against the SL!!!
check out my latest video, just published a first ride :)
I have always been a TCR man, but as the age is getting on, I am seriously considering a defy... Although my 21 TCR Pro 1 disk is not happy with that 🤣.
Hello David, when will you release the review video of this bike ?
I’m waiting for your point of view before in order to buy it
Saving it for the new year but I’m really impressed, 7.5kg is light and it’s as fast and smooth as the SL I tested
@@davidarthurOh thank you for the fast answer. Is it the best endurance bike for the cost according to you ?
Better than the endurace slx 8 ?
I really don't think you can beat this for an all purpose (quick) bike that looks good too. If I were in the market for a new steed, I'd go with this one.
i would be interested to know whats the difference between the defy 2023 to 2024 in addition to the frame weight saving. it might be a more cost effective to find a 2023 model
Has anyone been able to test the 38mm tire clearance claim yet? Can it fit gravelking tires of that size?
Yea 6000 is A LOT of money but considering what the other brands are offering, getting a full carbon frame with Ultegra DI2, integrated cable routing and LR dual power meter for 6K in today's climate seems like a pretty fair deal to me.
I always like to compare what you’d get for the same price with a motor bike - the answer is, you’d get a very good high-end motor bike for that price. Something has gone wrong with this market.
I am just curious. Am I missing something about the powermeter that is included? I don't seem to find any information on their website
As always, great content! I enjoy every detail (I even noticed the downtube bottle cage is mounted upside down). David, when you test the Advance Pro 0 it would be helpful if you could share your evaluation of the Power Meter. GP Lama just did a blistering review of a Shimano Power Meter... Also, curious about how tall you are. I also ride Giant bikes and am between M and M/L and need to think about which way to go. Overall, and desipite my comment about the power meter, I prefer Shimano and can see no reason why one would pay twice as much for a very similar bike with Sram. Tough time of the year to test a bike- stay warm!
I have a 2014 rim brake defy ultegra and was waiting on next generation of endurance bikes will look forward to your review .
I just bought this bike and love it! :) It is quite an upgrade from the analog 105 2010 Specialized Roubaix I was riding (also a good bike). Thanks for this review. :)
Still got my 2013 rim brake Defy, a proper bike, taken me all over.
My 2012 defy has done PBP twice. That’s a 1200 k bike ride in a 90hour limit ,
You have one bottle cage mounted upside down.
David, can the spacers be easily removed and placed on top of the stem to experiment with fit, similar to a custom spacer like that of the Cervelo Caledonia 5? Or, does the D-shaped steerer make fitting spacers on top of the stem difficult? Thanks!
Yep you can. I rode mine for a couple weeks with an unsightly stack above the stem before I committed to chopping the steerer.
This is the one I got! Loving it!
Hello, I’m about to buy it. Is it worth the money ?
I believe it is, that being said you should make sure the bike fits you first. If it does, you can't beat the Adv Pro 0 in terms of value.@@benjaminlefebvre7471
I started my riding on a Defy 0 in 2015, it was great and only road bike I've ever owned. But it was stolen a year ago. Today I went in a Giant store and tried on TCR for the first time. Oh man, I am only 30 but I felt TCR is too aggressive for me. Am I spoiled by Defy? Should I push myself for TCR?
I made the same switch aged 48. I'm in my 60s now.
Got used to the change after a fortnight.
FWIW, I had the same reservations at first.
Soon forgot about it and adapted to the ride.
Love my TCR.
Just work on your flexibility and core strength in the early months and your body soon adapts.
I am 56 and have a TCR and love it. Just raised the stack at the front a little and it is super comfy
David, would you be able to review the non Pro Defy Advanced? Would be interesting to see the differences between the 3 tiers? Thanks 🙂
The main difference is the carbon wheels. The frames are the same.
@bikeman123 the frames are different grade carbon.
@@Nahhnope I believe the frame of the Advanced and Advanced Pro are the same, but the Pro has the lighter SL fork
The frame is the same on the Advanced and Advanced Pro. Fork material and steerer design differ though.
Its a lovely bike fair play but nearly 6 grand its just ridiculous these days i have a 2016 Giant tcr advanced pro dura ace 10 speed with carbon wheels 6.7kg cost £1400 2nd hand unbelievable bike.
What's with the upside down bottle cage?
Giant is the best !!!
Do you use the same frame size for TCR and Defy?
I love my ‘19 defy. Time for a new one
I like the new Defy, and plan on taking one on a test ride, whenever my nearest Giant dealership gets some in stock….
Hi, love your vids, any chance you will test the new giant revolt e+ ?
I'm trying to decide between this bike and a Specialized Aethos, and would love to hear your impressions of the ride quality (handling, comfort, climbing, etc) between these two bikes.
They are very different in many aspects since you're comparing essentially a race bike to an endurance bike which impacts the handling a lot. What's your main desire with your new bike?
I live in the SF Bay Area, with lots of rollers and climbs (ie. 3-6 miles), flat sections are very limited. Generally 2 to 4 hour rides, at a brisk (but non-race) pace. I'm 67 and 130lbs. Would like a bike that is responsive and comfortable at the same time (which many reviewers tout as the positives for the Aethos). Primarily road riding, no significant plans for gravel. I realize the Aethos has a race geometry similar to the Tarmac, but considering it accommodates a traditional bar/stem, I can match/exceed the taller stack and shorter reach of the new Defy. Thanks!
What bottle cage is that? I like how flush it is with the frame
It's a Giant one that comes with the bike
Nice bike, definitely on my shortlist. Is your front bottle cage on upside down?
YES! I noticed that too, lol.
I have this bike, and can confirm that the bottle cage is upside down in this video!
Great review and lovely bike. I bought this one too! Did you cut the steerer tube down David? Or can you just remove one of the spacers without having to do that?
Thanks Simon hope the bike is working out for you well. The steerer tube was already cut down for me before it arrived. You could remove the spacers and pop a round one on top to try a lower position before you commit to cutting
@@davidarthur Thanks David. Yes I love the bike! It’s so comfortable and feels as fast as the TCR/Propel I tried….I will try that tip with a round spacer on top to try a lower position. With you testing so many bikes I wonder if this one will be a keeper?!
Not sure if i missed it, is this the M or ML size for this particular Pro 0 please?
ML, he is 181cm I believe
Can’t wrap my mind around $12,000 or $6,000 keeping my used synapse and caad10 both of which I bought used for a combined price under$1600.
Does the Defy have the same storage compartment as the Domane?
I don't think so. I got a Pro 1 recently and upgraded it to Ultegra (Pro 0 is not available in Hong Kong)
Now put some gravel tyres on it and test it as well!
I was in a bike shop Saturday. A trek fx that was €670 had plastic brake levers. Greed is ruining the bike industry. They are putting cheaper parts on bikes, they are getting heaveir (4k bikes are pushing nearly 10kg) and more expensive.
No thanks, I'll keep my 2015 canyon endurance cf 10 that weighs 7.7kg.
Cuando van a hacer un video de SAVA? Esa marca ya está aprobada por la UCI.
David, another informative video and a great channel; thank you.
However, £6K for a bike is out of my price bracket. Especially in a time where the cost of living is so high 😢.
I'll be sticking with 2000 Condor and 2018 BMC ALR01 for now.
How’s the evaluation of this model coming along?
Very well, first ride video coming soon
@@davidarthur Looking forward to it! I’m trying to choose between this model and the Canyon Endurace CF SLX 8 Di2.
Wish giant would ditch hookless and press fit BB.. just not attractive options for me.
I'd rather have the Defy than the SL. The difference in price could buy some awesome cycling holidays.
“Half the price, half the performance?” Don’t we all wish, because then the converse would also be true. I could trade in my $1000 Allez for a $12,000 Defy SL and magically increase my average speed from 24 km/hr to 284 km/hr.
Buy the bike that costs nearly as much as a car. Go all in for aero. Go tubeless. Wax your chain. Wear a skin suit. Wear aero socks. Still at the end of the day, it’s not nearly as much about the bike as it is about the engine. Sepp Kuss would still beat me if he were riding a tricycle.
This model is an endurance oriented, yet you get the "pro" version which is less comfortable and the version with the (shite) carbon wheels which makes it even stiffer. On an endurance bike.
Get the on with aluminium wheels and standard carbon frame. It's the best value in Giant's range
Why spend this much on a bike I feel? For 400€ I can get a White AX+ 290 FF, a nice-looking aluminium frame gravel bike with hydraulic brakes, 9-speed microshift gears, tan sidewall tires, midnight-blue metallic paint and a 13kg weight.
Or for 700€ I can get a White SC Lite Advent with a 10-speed microshift, hydraulic brakes, internal cable routing and an 11kg weight. I would be able to get basically the same speed on this bike as I would on the one in the video.
May I ask? What size is the bike on the video
It's an ML
Thanks David
Looking forward for your hands on test
10 Months ago I bought a new Specialized Stumpjumper Expert for 3100 Euro on a super sale! *THAT* was a 'Best Value' case.
But £6000 for that Defy model is a joke in 2023/24 in my personal opinion.
the geometry is the same of my open wide
This is the one I’ve been debating 🤔 main things that put me off is the price. Yes it’s cheaper than the SL but it’s still £6000 and the colour doesn’t really inspire me. That said it’s still an impressive package in today’s market.
Now down to 4,700 20% off...seriously debating now
我在台灣，上個月訂一輛 giant defy advanced pro 0也要等上兩個月
seems like one of the bottle cage is upside down
Haha really 😂
IMO £6,000 of dullness! How does any bike cost 6k? I've been cycling for years and there's nothing there that warrants that much money. A cheap carbon frame, some hookless death trap wheels which are cheaper to make and some cheap Giant own brand parts. Not even decent tyres for 6k. The only thing on that bike worth having is the Ultegra. I bought a Carbon Giant Revolt last year with electronic gearing on it for £3,000 and the more I think about it the more I think even that is overpriced and I was ripped off. Don't even get me started on the almost £12k defy!
Still prefer the look of the TCR
Stunning bike!!lot of bike for the price with the 12% discount that I can get😤🤩
Now 20%
🤣Who built up this bike?... Front bottle cage is upside down!!
It's for aero gains 😅😅
I might have missed it, but you've got to mention hookless when diffusing Giant. That's a deal breaker for me.
Yup didn't mention it but based on extension testing and riding of many hookless wheels over the last couple of years I see no issue with it, works just fine. I hear the fear-mongering out there but mostly misplaced in my experience
Started cycling 15 years ago in my fifties. Only ever buy used bikes. Got a 5 year-old Ribble r872 carbon full Ultegra for £250 the other day. New prices are ridiculous - if you're paying them you've had your head messed with.
Ultegra Di2 ✅
7.6kg ✅
Comfortable over 200km✅
Slightly more aggressive geometry for an old racer✅
Price in Australia? Already secured a discount…. ✅
Can’t wait to challenge my crew on - Giant Propel , Trek Edmonda .
I’ve ordered 30mm GP 5000 trs for my new Giant Defy Adv Pro 0 think I’ll fly 🤟
Looking forward to your reviews David .
Hello, I’m about to buy it. Is it worth the money ?
1200 euros
difference with the canyon endurance cf slx di2. even if the defy is very good it does not justify such a difference GIANT has become much too expensive
6K 😂😂😂 I’ve just purchased a Colnago C64, disc brakes, Campag SR for £2500. It was an 11K build in 2020 by its previous owner. The industry needs those who are willing to spend 6K on a massively overpriced bicycle, those that spend 12K really are a special kind of….
1:50 it move. 🤣
Lovely bike...but 6k come on 😂
need more refreshing model giant line so boredom
This guy is so likeable, and super knowledgeable. I think his vlogs r absolutely terrific. My only critique is he is such an enormous Giant fan, that sometimes his reviews and comparisons seem biased. Super good guy tho, just a small complaint👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
6 grand for mid-tier? bike industry really is shooting its own foot
Kudos for reviewing a (relatively) more affordable bike. Frustrating when it's only top end bikes that are reviewed.
Any chance of reviewing the Scott Addict? Keen to see how that compares to the new Defy as another example of a speedier endurance bike.
Keep up the good work
6 grand man absolutely bonkers
£6k! Giant are seriously having a laugh
The price of bikes is ridiculous, since i last bought one 5 years ago, the equivalent model has increased in price by around 30-40%
Really is becoming the new golf, for well to do middle class types
Would consider a frame only in the UK but no option for this unlike the TCR, Anyone any idea why not believe in certain countries you can have a frame only
Motorcycles can be cheaper than bikes 🤔 loads more tech, we are being taken for a ride literally
half the price ... but 6400 euros oops !!!!
£6,000 for a pushbike is still ludicrous. No thanks!
Half the price and for almost everyone the same performance!
Endurace CF SLX 8 Di2 is more than 1k€ cheaper 😬
Worth watching my comparison with that bike I reckon, it's more than just the sum of its parts. But if you're just buying based on the spec list the Canyon does indeed look good value
@@davidarthur in that test you said that giant is cheaper and better in value for money. But when you compare prices actualy is Endurace who gets you the most for the money. I know that UK prices are different then EU prices but still. 1k is a lot of money even if giant is a little bit better, you can pimp the canyon or you get full riding kit for yourself and still have money left for next season 😅
@@Flexo_l When I made that video I reference the CF SLX 7 105 Di2 which at the time of making the video wasn't as good value as the Giant. Obviously I can only compare UK prices and they do change around the world, we have Brexit and import tax to thank for higher prices :(
How much does the giant defy weight in kg?
I think the most overvalued part of recent bikes is drive train. Di2 .. Ultegra.. yeah it is good. But more than $15,00 on it... Really that valuable?
I think $700 is just enough .. or even less..
I will never understand that Ultegra or dura-ace version of drive train are more that $2,000.
Yeah it is pro version , so it`s price should be, but for most people.. isnt it just marketing?
Bike Industry is just "assembling" industry.
carbon frames, carbon wheels.. maybe.. those are the only part they can make profits.
If simano , sram ,campa are not dicount their part, the bike prices can not go down.
My opinion about it is that Chinese Ltwoo or others will replaces shimano, Sram
Few customers still use overvalued Shimano , Sram , but majority will be chinese one.
Like the bike but for me hookless wheels a no go.
Why?
They serve no performance purpose and reduce margin of safety. Zipp and Enve have introduced only to reduce their manufacturing costs. From an engineering standpoint, this is a no go.
Zipp actually passed on the savings with their new wheel range a couple of years ago but most people seemed to have conveniently missed that
Absolutely no reason for an endurance bike to have such an agressive stem angle. Indentity crisis
Wonder when he will review a bike most people can afford🤔
what price can 'most' people afford?
Less than £6k mate. Mind you if you started reviewing “affordable” bikes you’d probably lose at lot of viewers… so carry on.
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Ridiculous geometry for an endurance bike. Far too long for most riders. Giant has missed a big trick here.
i agree. its not really an endurance bike...
The Defy was always a race bike (although a tad less aggressive than some) I think of the Trek Domane when I hear endurance. @@DiggaUndaHipHop
Van rysel from decathlon rules
Early!!!🎉
Nice joke 😂
£6000 for a bicycle, it's a joke😂
Poor colour for £6k
I have this bike, its a glossy black with decals that change colour in different light. It's quite nice in the flesh
Giant always made bike look like old style. some like it some not very much want it. i'm kind feel bored with vintage style for modern bike
Vintage style? Hahah, this bike has a sloping top tube and dropped seat stays. What in the world are you talking about?
7,5 kgs? How is that possible while a Giant TCR 2022 with Ultegra with disc brake, 2x11 mechanica;l weighs 8,7 kgs I think it was. The TCR frame and fork are lighter. Mechanical gears are lighter
Over 8 kg is gravel bike territory.