"Of course, all these clever features and gimmicks are absolutely worthless if your bike then handles like a half eaten toffee." 🤣 I am dead. This is A++ commentary.
I had a brand new 2020 defy 105 in gun smoke grey and orange that looked stunning. It was comfortable but heavy, 9.7 kg roughly and slow. Something your dad gets out of the shed every Sunday for a spin. Everyone raved about the canyon endurance bikes so I bought a 2nd hand one. 2015 cf 10 rim 105 at 7.7kg. It's a rocket, far more comfortable, exciting and faster than the defy. A much better bike and the rim brakes are fine. They still stop me and are easier to maintain. I will never sell it. The best way to describe a canyon endurance is that its a race bike in endurance clothing.
I wonder why they put it there. Very little storage capacity up there. And that ugly door is on the part of the bike you are looking at the whole time.
i love my Lauf Seigla and at first glance the Ulthad looks very similar to the Seigla, with the obvious difference, the lack of the True Grit fork. I did even consider running a set of road tyres on my Seigla as i thought it may be a good long distance ride, based on how comfortable it is - it looks like someone at Lauf has had the same idea. Based on how good i think the Seigla is and how enjoyable it is to ride and the value for money, I would definitely be going for the Ulthad
I have a road wheelset built for my Giant Revolt and it’s been a great move. I’m running 700x35 GP 5000 AS TR’s on the road wheels and 47mm Pathfinder Pro’s on the gravel rims.
aaaand the value here in the U.S. I’d choose Lauf. Lastly, I really don’t care for these internal storage bits and bobs. I feel like that cover would just snap eventually, and when I’m washing the bike water will get in. If I need to grab a tool I don’t want to fuss with that small compartment, especially with cold hands.
Haven’t ridden any of them but that endurace seat tube looks strange, i much prefer the older model visually. On the other hand the defy looks much better than previous model. I’m sure they all ride ok
Previous model Endurace was a flier and weight less at 7 to 7.1kg. Bought an S-Works Aethos, but couldn’t let the Endurace go, loved it too much. (Clinical… absolutely not, short wheel base and rack makes it feel very racy). Have to older model Defy. Very comfortable but a brick. Slowest bike I’ve owned. That new one looks streets ahead though. Probably about the best improvement in an evolved model ever. Looks matter. If you walk past a good looking bike, it’s more likely you’ll get on it. Not sure I’d pick the Lauf up much despite it probably being a great bike.
as said stack / reach is the most important figures sure defy might be nice, but if i want to endurance bike i am going for either canyon or the endurance, the defy has literally the lowest on similar size and i would put it near race gravel bike category. for same size defy stack is 577 vs endurance 590 vs uthald 593, i mean if i want a semi race bike i'll just go all out. i want full comfort so i can ride 80-100 miler with no back pain.
Nice reviews. That plasticky looking compartment thing on the Canyon looks like it will break or get lost/nicked in no time. As an endurance bike I’d prefer mudguard mount options, shame the lauf doesn’t have them, as it’s much better value and I prefer the non fully integrated cabling (especially after chatting with my local bike shop and the extra work (and therefore cost) involved with servicing them.
i hear this often about integrated cabling, how many times do people service their cables. having multiple bikes at most i can remember is my 2011 p4 tt cables snapped and had to be rewired in 20+ years of riding that is one instance where i had a cable issue. maybe i am lucky but my tune ups usually involve wash, change of breakpads and chain and that is about it. maybe i am lucky.
Yes, you are lucky🍀 Usually on newer bikes it should be redone every few years, will start affecting your shifting. Why anyone would get headtube thru routed cables(Vanity,..looking pretty😍 for the guys in the bike club!😂) that are a pain/expensive to service is beyond me. Always thought downtube/toptube internals was Futurama enough. Anyway, also funny🤣 how older, "crappier" steel frame bikes with cheaper components seem to need way less care... My 90's Hard Rock MTB is the ultimate commuter/ATB(except for technical trails) and all I ever have to do is grease and adjust, like twice a year if I ride it a lot(5k/yr)... Have newer bikes, but that old steel rolls nice🙂 just wish it was a little lighter!
I like the weight of the Defy but can't get past the proprietary post, stem and internal routing. Hoping Lauf starts selling the Uthald as a frameset soon.
I’m a hair under 183cm, so I’d be interested in the Lauf M for a more aggressive fit…however more seat post would mean even slacker seat tube angle and I’m used to track bikes. The one thing I don’t like about my gravel bike is how slack it is. Still, I’d love to try it. I’m not racing cross anymore.
Also, I do really like that the Lauf comes with 27.2 seatpost and standard stem without internal routing. I have loads of stems/bars I can throw on easily.
Whatch out about the terrible after sale service from Canyon. Especially after 3 years of owning your bike. If yo need a major spare part as a fork, just after this period of time. Canyon will refuse to sell it. Increasing the risk to have to discard your bike if you do not find a proper replacement.
Lauf is the great value here, and with threaded BSA and other non proprietary interfaces for easy maintenance. But what it isn't is endurance. They would be perfect if they made less aggressive bikes as even Seigla with leaf fork is more of a race bike than adventure bike.
Doesn’t giant make frames for most bicycle companies ?? 🤔 I have a cannondale caad12 but I’m getting a tcr soon I just think giant offers the best specs for the price
I own a Giant Contend 2 with upgraded wheelset Mavic Cosmic SLR. The Contend has an aluminium frame but the geometry is very similar to the older Defys apart from having 10mm shorter chainstays, so shorter wheelbase. I am very happy with my Contend. I ride 25mm tires, not impressed with the 'wider is better or faster' hype. At all.
@@typsy103 It rides very well. I usually ride solo and I don't race. I use Continental Gatorskins to avoid punctures as much as possible. I used to put 100psi at the back and 95 front. Recently decreased the pressures to 95 back and 90 front. More comfy and no difference in rolling resistance. I currently weigh around 80kg and I am 172cm. I'm trying to go down to 75kg but my problem is that when I get hungry I eat. Too much. 😊🤫 It's hard for me to go on a calorie deficit.
@@radiocontrolled9181 the resemblance is uncanny: - 172cm and 82kgs, aim is 75kgs. - Solo rider… - Hunt Aero and wheels aluminium - 32mm GK slicks tyres - feel your pain in regards to eating, all the best 😅
Having ridden 2 of the 3, the Canyon feels more agile than the giant. I’d buy it again for the VCLS seatpost (genuine game changer) and adjustable cockpit. Canyon after sales has been really great, albeit a subjective opinion. Canyon definitely the sexiest. The Lauf looks like it’s been beaten with the ugly stick.
Unfortunately Defy XS top tube lenght is 515 long (is this a joke? its a medium sized bike), Lauf keeps ots top tube lenghts secret. If you are a shorter man or average sized woman, From these 3 only Canyon would fit.
"If it was my own money", "it blows the competition out of the water" etc etc. Either being disingenuous for ad purposes or it's an oversight on their part. If you're abroad then this price , whilst the other bikes do. Still not the worst price/spec ratio in the world but it isn't the huge outlier they're making it out to be.
Shameful bit of bad publicly for Schwalbe. (if you’re going to dis a product you should include the back story). Flat implies a puncture, low would imply it just needs air.
@@radiocontrolled9181 you buy expensive bicycles and cries about price of cable change every 5-10 years 🤦🏼🤭 Pathetic. Someday you all will ride on bicycles with hidden cables but now... 😂
But why always the "top of the range" models?Why the f#€k can't you just talk about the entry level models? Never, no bike channels do that, always the bikes that costs more than a good motorcycle...
I own a Giant Defy. I really like it.
"Of course, all these clever features and gimmicks are absolutely worthless if your bike then handles like a half eaten toffee." 🤣 I am dead. This is A++ commentary.
And I'm still riding my 2013 Bianchi infinito 😁
Still rocking a 1999 trek 5200 with a quill stem here sooo…
12kg, 1932 steel bike with no derailleur and wooden tyres. Beat that you posh rich people.
Jamie's a great asset for the channel IMHO. Looking forward to that Dogma comparo. Meanwhile I'll take the Endurace thanks.
Defy vs Pinarello X please! (these 2 are topping my wish list, but I've yet to see any direct comparison reviews)
I had a brand new 2020 defy 105 in gun smoke grey and orange that looked stunning. It was comfortable but heavy, 9.7 kg roughly and slow. Something your dad gets out of the shed every Sunday for a spin.
Everyone raved about the canyon endurance bikes so I bought a 2nd hand one. 2015 cf 10 rim 105 at 7.7kg. It's a rocket, far more comfortable, exciting and faster than the defy. A much better bike and the rim brakes are fine. They still stop me and are easier to maintain. I will never sell it.
The best way to describe a canyon endurance is that its a race bike in endurance clothing.
The Lauf has me sold with the external cables. I've owned/ridden earlier incarnations of the other two. They were nice bikes.
I like how the Canyon Endurace looks but not a fan of the storage box at the top tube. If I want storage there, I'll get a top tube bag.
I wonder why they put it there. Very little storage capacity up there. And that ugly door is on the part of the bike you are looking at the whole time.
So bizarre they put it on the top tube when the down tube is the bigger better option. Weird...
It looks cheap and nasty I don’t want holes with plastic covers in my frame.
I think it's a pretty cool idea personally. @@a1white
@@brasstinmancrazythey couldnt copy trek 😅
You are doing a very good job comparing bikes. More please :)))
i love my Lauf Seigla and at first glance the Ulthad looks very similar to the Seigla, with the obvious difference, the lack of the True Grit fork. I did even consider running a set of road tyres on my Seigla as i thought it may be a good long distance ride, based on how comfortable it is - it looks like someone at Lauf has had the same idea. Based on how good i think the Seigla is and how enjoyable it is to ride and the value for money, I would definitely be going for the Ulthad
I have a road wheelset built for my Giant Revolt and it’s been a great move. I’m running 700x35 GP 5000 AS TR’s on the road wheels and 47mm Pathfinder Pro’s on the gravel rims.
aaaand the value here in the U.S. I’d choose Lauf.
Lastly, I really don’t care for these internal storage bits and bobs. I feel like that cover would just snap eventually, and when I’m washing the bike water will get in. If I need to grab a tool I don’t want to fuss with that small compartment, especially with cold hands.
Haven’t ridden any of them but that endurace seat tube looks strange, i much prefer the older model visually. On the other hand the defy looks much better than previous model. I’m sure they all ride ok
Just bought the Canyon CFR, feels fast to me!
Previous model Endurace was a flier and weight less at 7 to 7.1kg. Bought an S-Works Aethos, but couldn’t let the Endurace go, loved it too much. (Clinical… absolutely not, short wheel base and rack makes it feel very racy). Have to older model Defy. Very comfortable but a brick. Slowest bike I’ve owned. That new one looks streets ahead though. Probably about the best improvement in an evolved model ever. Looks matter. If you walk past a good looking bike, it’s more likely you’ll get on it. Not sure I’d pick the Lauf up much despite it probably being a great bike.
Canyon and Lauf are Chinese frames; Giant is made in Taiwan.
@@petersouthernboy6327 I know that
as said stack / reach is the most important figures
sure defy might be nice, but if i want to endurance bike i am going for either canyon or the endurance, the defy has literally the lowest on similar size and i would put it near race gravel bike category.
for same size defy stack is 577 vs endurance 590 vs uthald 593, i mean if i want a semi race bike i'll just go all out. i want full comfort so i can ride 80-100 miler with no back pain.
Nice reviews. That plasticky looking compartment thing on the Canyon looks like it will break or get lost/nicked in no time. As an endurance bike I’d prefer mudguard mount options, shame the lauf doesn’t have them, as it’s much better value and I prefer the non fully integrated cabling (especially after chatting with my local bike shop and the extra work (and therefore cost) involved with servicing them.
i hear this often about integrated cabling, how many times do people service their cables.
having multiple bikes at most i can remember is my 2011 p4 tt cables snapped and had to be rewired in 20+ years of riding that is one instance where i had a cable issue. maybe i am lucky but my tune ups usually involve wash, change of breakpads and chain and that is about it.
maybe i am lucky.
@@toshman696969 yes normally gear cables need replacing every few years.
Yes, you are lucky🍀 Usually on newer bikes it should be redone every few years, will start affecting your shifting. Why anyone would get headtube thru routed cables(Vanity,..looking pretty😍 for the guys in the bike club!😂) that are a pain/expensive to service is beyond me. Always thought downtube/toptube internals was Futurama enough. Anyway, also funny🤣 how older, "crappier" steel frame bikes with cheaper components seem to need way less care... My 90's Hard Rock MTB is the ultimate commuter/ATB(except for technical trails) and all I ever have to do is grease and adjust, like twice a year if I ride it a lot(5k/yr)... Have newer bikes, but that old steel rolls nice🙂 just wish it was a little lighter!
Solid review.
The lauf paint job let’s it down, I’m disappointed that the canyon didn’t perform better as I think it looks the best
Their purple or blue frames do look amazing tho.
The Lauf Blue is stunning to me.
I like the weight of the Defy but can't get past the proprietary post, stem and internal routing. Hoping Lauf starts selling the Uthald as a frameset soon.
The post is fantastic
I’m a hair under 183cm, so I’d be interested in the Lauf M for a more aggressive fit…however more seat post would mean even slacker seat tube angle and I’m used to track bikes. The one thing I don’t like about my gravel bike is how slack it is. Still, I’d love to try it. I’m not racing cross anymore.
Also, I do really like that the Lauf comes with 27.2 seatpost and standard stem without internal routing. I have loads of stems/bars I can throw on easily.
I’d like to hear more about the Lauf
I know, which bike Dr. Who would choose 😁
as "Lauf" literally means "Run!"
Love the Lauf and have the ENVE Melee and MOG
Whatch out about the terrible after sale service from Canyon. Especially after 3 years of owning your bike.
If yo need a major spare part as a fork, just after this period of time.
Canyon will refuse to sell it. Increasing the risk to have to discard your bike if you do not find a proper replacement.
Lauf is the great value here, and with threaded BSA and other non proprietary interfaces for easy maintenance. But what it isn't is endurance. They would be perfect if they made less aggressive bikes as even Seigla with leaf fork is more of a race bike than adventure bike.
Doesn’t giant make frames for most bicycle companies ?? 🤔 I have a cannondale caad12 but I’m getting a tcr soon I just think giant offers the best specs for the price
2016 FUJI SL 1.1 is still the best endurance bike!!!😊
Aluminum frames like the Canyon Endurace AL is better for the buck.
The Lauf Uthald frame price is at an aluminum price point.
I own a Giant Contend 2 with upgraded wheelset Mavic Cosmic SLR. The Contend has an aluminium frame but the geometry is very similar to the older Defys apart from having 10mm shorter chainstays, so shorter wheelbase. I am very happy with my Contend. I ride 25mm tires, not impressed with the 'wider is better or faster' hype. At all.
Currently riding a Defy, but was looking for the Contend at the time during COVID lockdown, exactly same mods I would have made… how does it ride?
@@typsy103 It rides very well. I usually ride solo and I don't race. I use Continental Gatorskins to avoid punctures as much as possible. I used to put 100psi at the back and 95 front. Recently decreased the pressures to 95 back and 90 front. More comfy and no difference in rolling resistance. I currently weigh around 80kg and I am 172cm. I'm trying to go down to 75kg but my problem is that when I get hungry I eat. Too much. 😊🤫 It's hard for me to go on a calorie deficit.
@@radiocontrolled9181 the resemblance is uncanny:
- 172cm and 82kgs, aim is 75kgs.
- Solo rider…
- Hunt Aero and wheels aluminium
- 32mm GK slicks tyres
- feel your pain in regards to eating, all the best 😅
What size of lauf did you test and how tall are you. I am right between sizes. Thanks
Change the Seatpost from the Canyon Model and you come down to approx. 7.2 kg in the same range like the Defy is
giant is the best for me thus far
Agreed.
My choice would be lauf
Having ridden 2 of the 3, the Canyon feels more agile than the giant. I’d buy it again for the VCLS seatpost (genuine game changer) and adjustable cockpit. Canyon after sales has been really great, albeit a subjective opinion. Canyon definitely the sexiest. The Lauf looks like it’s been beaten with the ugly stick.
Cervélo Caledonia 5 is the best endurance bike I have tried to date.
I'm dying to hear what Lauf said about the other two bikes, lol 🤣
That Lauf with the new sram and Zipp 303 for 4000£ sounds very reasonable, sadly it doesn‘t impress me optically that much..
Now lets see if any of those expensive bikes has properly faced bb's , heasets etc? Round holes and properly aligned all over.😮
Endurance bikes fits me the best cause Im a 🦖
Well put.
thank you
Hate the Endurace flap, rules the bike out for me. If they bring out a version without it they would probably sell a few.
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That Lauf frame looks like it's been in a crash with a car
Unfortunately Defy XS top tube lenght is 515 long (is this a joke? its a medium sized bike), Lauf keeps ots top tube lenghts secret. If you are a shorter man or average sized woman, From these 3 only Canyon would fit.
The Canyon certainly looks better with out the ugly dropped seat stays.
"If it was my own money", "it blows the competition out of the water" etc etc. Either being disingenuous for ad purposes or it's an oversight on their part.
If you're abroad then this price , whilst the other bikes do.
Still not the worst price/spec ratio in the world but it isn't the huge outlier they're making it out to be.
The Lauf is just an ugly bike. That headtube is nasty.
£8k for a bike.. f#ck that.
£8,599 .... yeah no thanks
12k defy vs a £4k Lauf 🤪
Somehow riding a bicycle manufactured from a company called "Giant" just sounds off! 🤯
Shameful bit of bad publicly for Schwalbe. (if you’re going to dis a product you should include the back story). Flat implies a puncture, low would imply it just needs air.
Loose cables are passe😂
I’ll take them over massive servicing costs thanks.
@@a1white 🤦🏼 you buy 4, 5, 6k bikes and cry about 40$ once a 5-10 years cable change. Pathetic😂
@@a1white anyway I have much cheaper Reacto 6000 with full hidden cables and looks much modern than this Lauf
I prefer passe to the impossibility to service my own bike.
@@radiocontrolled9181 you buy expensive bicycles and cries about price of cable change every 5-10 years 🤦🏼🤭 Pathetic. Someday you all will ride on bicycles with hidden cables but now... 😂
Rim Brakes for the win in 2024❤
Penny Farthings for the win in 2025.
if you know you know
I went from from 105 disc back to 105 rim and its fine. I live in Ireland, a wet country with mucky hills and my rim brakes still stop me fine.
@@markbyrne7598 Exactly.
Rim brakes for me till I die.
But why always the "top of the range" models?Why the f#€k can't you just talk about the entry level models? Never, no bike channels do that, always the bikes that costs more than a good motorcycle...
Literally does at 10:26
Which one is the cheapest lol
Seidla is ...Seigla. Perfect . Just.