Bismarck doing as well as it did in round 1 makes sense. Being a follow-on from the Bayern class, she was designed for close-in brawls. If this fight was at a longer range, I suspect that Vanguard would have won even more decisively.
I definitely feel close range made quite a bit of a different (accuracy, and all that, along with rate of fire and reload) But I suppose not having the flaws she did historically also gives Bismarck quite the advantage (Everything being above the turtleback, and her own radar being knocked out by her guns) Though as she was mainly designed for close range engagements, it does make sense how she defeated vanguard
Its just a game in real life vanguard have thicker armour and have better radars and other technology and the guns were upgraded and it was better then bis gun
In reality vanguard was better then bismarck as it has thicker armour range technologies and its guns were upgraded and have better range then bismarck and if the vanguard stayed the range the bismarck will be defeated
I gotta love the last fight. Bismarck goes greek and just rams vanguard, killing her speed and seemingly knocking her out of the fight completely. At then end they might as well just drawn swords and try to board each other.
It is quite cool how it looks like as if the Bismarck just has to take hits, but once it start hitting herself, she starts to deal some serious damage. Almost like a brawler that makes their opponent tire themselves out first before going on the offensive.
In reality vanguard would have made the bismarck sinked as vanguard have thicker armour 356mm compared to bismarck 320mm then vanguard also have better range radar technology same speed and the guns were upgraded it have a better range and it was better then bismarck guns though in close range the bismarck have a chance win but long range vanguard will beat bismarck
Now there is what this league misses.. Drach as an extra commentator so that it becomes a bit like traditional sportsbroadcasting.. :D "Ohh, that was a big one on Bismarck there." "That is right, Drach, she's really going to have to get her game up if she wants to stay in this contest.."
IMO, Vanguard would have the upper hand had she maintain the range, she clearly have the advantage with FCR in the early stage, the 15inch would have worn Bismarck down overtime.
I thought you were going to play each ship to their advantages when you took control? Vanguard had better long range accuracy so by brawling you screwed it over.
Not sure if this is something in the game, but it seems like Bismarck controlled the flooding after the ram better then vanguard because vanguard hit Bismarcks armored belt with its un armored bow. Bismarck was probably more resistant to taking flooding because of that and vanguard “opened up” in more places. That’s just my guess though haha
I still stand that Yamato will suffer due to her guns being so bad (39 inches rather than 49 of pen, and abysmally slow reload) Then again, was there really any doubt she’d win the division (Apart from Iowa’s 15 inch belt, I understand it’s due to the angle, but citadel V already states it contains an angled belt, Which is why you never did what you did for Iowa for the other division ships (increase armor due to angle), so doing it for her seems weird In this case I feel Iowa wins due to her being a bit buffed and Yamato nerfed slightly I know these are prerecorded but this is just for future notice
Anything bigger than 16" is kind of useless in UAD, in my experience. If anything I think Yamato's strong points are her armour and the ability to just stay afloat and pepper stuff with secondaries. I predict Iowa will win this division, but it's UAD so you never know!
What a first match! Not sure I have been that invested since the Hood-Bismark match last division. And that was only because I wanted to see if Hood would be historically accurate in going off like a Roman Candle.
This is why i never build true all or nothing ships in game with just splinter protection for armor in the extended sections, everything over pens them and floods you out, you DON'T have a reserve of bouncy in the citadel to alone keep the rest of your ship from sinking. Even secondary guns just chew through your overall hit points with low armor there, its an achilles heel, main gun overpens seem to flood every time. I instead make the extended armor at least 1/3 the main belt or main deck armor thickness, and I almost never flood from gun fire, and shrug off thousands of secondary hits.
In reality vanguard would have made the bismarck sinked as vanguard have thicker armour that is 356mm compared to bismarck 320mm also vanguard have better range radar technology same speed and the guns were upgraded it have a better range and it was better then bismarck guns though in close range the bismarck may win but long range vanguard will beat bismarck
Speed protection and armament were on par but Vanguard had better radar. Seetaktradar had a range of about 6-10 nautic miles while type 293 radar had 15 nm. Moreover Vanguard had early warning radar of 70 nm range.
I personally don't think this was anywhere near as close as made out to be that second round with Vanguard was kind of cocked up on your part Munro but hey I still love this series and the content just a lil criticism is all.
@18:00 bismarck is doing a boarding party, too save the tea and biscuts, then don`t want to humiliate the British so far that they have a "northern sea party"
In reality vanguard was better then bismarck as it have thicker armour range technologies and its guns were upgraded and have better range then bismarck
8:40 Vanguard ~50% accuracy @ 18.2km with maybe 10 salvos fired, is that really high or have I just been watching more older design/tech ships recently?
Accuracy was the name of Vanguards' game compared to other WW2 BBs generally speaking. She really should have stayed further out and used her superior accuracy at range but that would have made too much sense I suppose
@@BrotherMunro have you noticed quite alot of people criticized that you put double bottom instead of triple bottom, and you reducing beam to lover its accuracy even more etc.
@@mczg4954 I did - these were all recorded before Christmas so there’s not much I can do about it (for what it’s worth I don’t think it will affect her performance nearly as much as people think)
Vanguard not having a conning tower probably hamstrung her, as command and control would be adversely affected by any hit there. Ironically, Lutjens and Lindermann were historically killed bt a bridge hit. They weren't in their conning tower either
Why not the King George V Class? I would argue the Vanguard is a rather rubbish ship. Has old outdated guns. Might as well carry those extra 2 14in plus quicker fire right too
It is a better ship then bismarck and what do you mean by rubbish it have better armour radar range and even tough it have an outdated turret it was upgraded and the range were also better and also the vanguard have better gun than bismarck
I don't think so; she struggled hard against what I think is the worst piece of garbage in this entire division, most likely and sadly Iowa and Yamato will quickly do her in.
@@Kr0noZ I think she stands a fair chance against Iowa up close, even Yamato, to some degree (her ridiculously slow reloading guns) But she’ll probably lose to both
In reality vanguard would have made the bismarck sinked as vanguard have thicker armour 356mm compared to bismarck 320mm then vanguard also have better range radar technology same speed and the guns were upgraded it have a better range and it was better then bismarck guns though in close range the bismarck may win the chance of winning around 40% but long range vanguard will beat bismarck
Well well well... I would have pegged Vanguard as bottom of the stack, but Bismarck came from a lower Division and managed to win - even if she barely managed. This does not bode well for my beloved steel beast, struggling against Vanguard this hard. I don't see her winning against an Iowa or Yamato, both of which I predict will ABSOLUTELY TRASH Vanguard (and yeah, in case you missed it, I think the British hunk of junk is bad and should never have been built; The superstructure is chunky, blocky and ugly, the turrets look like they were stolen from a much older ship and the guns are too short relative to the turret housing and caliber and look (again) like they got stolen from a WW1 ship (because they could have been, those were in service in 1915 ^^) and the armor was WORSE than KGV because they had to compromise on weight savings; absolutely ridiculous to build this pile of scrap metal in 1944).
Building her in such a late era was definitely unnecessary, Her armory was actually quite decent, and the armor was only slightly worse (barely made a difference to anything she’d face) But compared to some ships built before her, she is quite lacking, but considering the reasons why she was designed, it makes sense
In reality vanguard would have made the bismarck sinked as vanguard have thicker armour then bismarck better range radar technology same speed and the guns were upgraded it have a better range and it was better then bismarck guns though in close range the bismarck may win but long range vanguard will beat bis
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Bismarck doing as well as it did in round 1 makes sense. Being a follow-on from the Bayern class, she was designed for close-in brawls. If this fight was at a longer range, I suspect that Vanguard would have won even more decisively.
Precisely Vanguard was landing hits at long range more accurately why did she close at all?
AI never stays at range in UAD, they charge in, run away or just clump up and sit there.
@@chrishudson9539 I think the AI sees the increased accuracy at close range, and goes for it
I definitely feel close range made quite a bit of a different (accuracy, and all that, along with rate of fire and reload)
But I suppose not having the flaws she did historically also gives Bismarck quite the advantage (Everything being above the turtleback, and her own radar being knocked out by her guns)
Though as she was mainly designed for close range engagements, it does make sense how she defeated vanguard
Its just a game in real life vanguard have thicker armour and have better radars and other technology and the guns were upgraded and it was better then bis gun
In reality vanguard was better then bismarck as it has thicker armour range technologies and its guns were upgraded and have better range then bismarck and if the vanguard stayed the range the bismarck will be defeated
I gotta love the last fight. Bismarck goes greek and just rams vanguard, killing her speed and seemingly knocking her out of the fight completely. At then end they might as well just drawn swords and try to board each other.
It is quite cool how it looks like as if the Bismarck just has to take hits, but once it start hitting herself, she starts to deal some serious damage. Almost like a brawler that makes their opponent tire themselves out first before going on the offensive.
In reality vanguard would have made the bismarck sinked as vanguard have thicker armour 356mm compared to bismarck 320mm then vanguard also have better range radar technology same speed and the guns were upgraded it have a better range and it was better then bismarck guns though in close range the bismarck have a chance win but long range vanguard will beat bismarck
Now there is what this league misses.. Drach as an extra commentator so that it becomes a bit like traditional sportsbroadcasting.. :D
"Ohh, that was a big one on Bismarck there."
"That is right, Drach, she's really going to have to get her game up if she wants to stay in this contest.."
I’d love to do that but he’s a very busy chap!
@@BrotherMunro Truth of the year that.. Still one can dream. :) Amazing video as always regardless.
@@anumeon Maybe if he can't have Drach co-commentate, Old Man Jingles would sub in.
@@Hastur_the_King_in_Yellow Intentional word pun with "Sub" ? good one regardless. And i agree. :)
@@anumeon ... I didn't even think of that.
Vanguard had Bismarck dead to rights. Any captain who chooses to close range against that turtle back monstrosity ought to be court-martialed
Very cool battle, surprising coming from the ai. That last round was such a bloodbath, and the way they just parked up next to each other xD golden
Yes the Vanguard should have stayed at range.
IMO, Vanguard would have the upper hand had she maintain the range, she clearly have the advantage with FCR in the early stage, the 15inch would have worn Bismarck down overtime.
And long range lessens the overpower of the turtleback scheme.
I thought you were going to play each ship to their advantages when you took control? Vanguard had better long range accuracy so by brawling you screwed it over.
Yeah I totally hear that
Drach was right about the vanguard gunnery drill she can hit a Bismarck sized ship on the first salvo
Always love your UAD stuff. Hope you feel better soon dude!
Could not have been a more even fight!
Not sure if this is something in the game, but it seems like Bismarck controlled the flooding after the ram better then vanguard because vanguard hit Bismarcks armored belt with its un armored bow. Bismarck was probably more resistant to taking flooding because of that and vanguard “opened up” in more places. That’s just my guess though haha
Should have specced in a reinforced ram bow 😂
I still stand that Yamato will suffer due to her guns being so bad (39 inches rather than 49 of pen, and abysmally slow reload)
Then again, was there really any doubt she’d win the division
(Apart from Iowa’s 15 inch belt, I understand it’s due to the angle, but citadel V already states it contains an angled belt,
Which is why you never did what you did for Iowa for the other division ships (increase armor due to angle), so doing it for her seems weird
In this case I feel Iowa wins due to her being a bit buffed and Yamato nerfed slightly
I know these are prerecorded but this is just for future notice
Anything bigger than 16" is kind of useless in UAD, in my experience. If anything I think Yamato's strong points are her armour and the ability to just stay afloat and pepper stuff with secondaries.
I predict Iowa will win this division, but it's UAD so you never know!
What a first match! Not sure I have been that invested since the Hood-Bismark match last division. And that was only because I wanted to see if Hood would be historically accurate in going off like a Roman Candle.
This is probably the most even fight between ww2 battleships possible
Thought for sure Bismarck had round 1 in the bag, till she listed. Very close for sure!
This is why i never build true all or nothing ships in game with just splinter protection for armor in the extended sections, everything over pens them and floods you out, you DON'T have a reserve of bouncy in the citadel to alone keep the rest of your ship from sinking. Even secondary guns just chew through your overall hit points with low armor there, its an achilles heel, main gun overpens seem to flood every time. I instead make the extended armor at least 1/3 the main belt or main deck armor thickness, and I almost never flood from gun fire, and shrug off thousands of secondary hits.
Guns in general badly need a balance pass but given how crap everything is in 1890 that’s a good bug to know!
In reality vanguard would have made the bismarck sinked as vanguard have thicker armour that is 356mm compared to bismarck 320mm also vanguard have better range radar technology same speed and the guns were upgraded it have a better range and it was better then bismarck guns though in close range the bismarck may win but long range vanguard will beat bismarck
Speed protection and armament were on par but Vanguard had better radar. Seetaktradar had a range of about 6-10 nautic miles while type 293 radar had 15 nm. Moreover Vanguard had early warning radar of 70 nm range.
I personally don't think this was anywhere near as close as made out to be that second round with Vanguard was kind of cocked up on your part Munro but hey I still love this series and the content just a lil criticism is all.
@18:00 bismarck is doing a boarding party, too save the tea and biscuts, then don`t want to humiliate the British so far that they have a "northern sea party"
In reality vanguard was better then bismarck as it have thicker armour range technologies and its guns were upgraded and have better range then bismarck
Vanguard would have won 3-0 if it stayed at range
8:40 Vanguard ~50% accuracy @ 18.2km with maybe 10 salvos fired, is that really high or have I just been watching more older design/tech ships recently?
Accuracy was the name of Vanguards' game compared to other WW2 BBs generally speaking. She really should have stayed further out and used her superior accuracy at range but that would have made too much sense I suppose
@@silverhost9782 good to know, though I was asking about the game mechanic and not IRL performance.
Sorry for the confusion.
How do you download ships sir?
As in the new shared design feature or something else?
@@BrotherMunro yes the new shared design how do I access it if I may?
Did you properly balance the Iowa? That weight offset will super mess with her Accuracy...
As best I could - doesn’t help that the tower on that hull is incredibly fat
@@BrotherMunro have you noticed quite alot of people criticized that you put double bottom instead of triple bottom, and you reducing beam to lover its accuracy even more etc.
@@mczg4954 I did - these were all recorded before Christmas so there’s not much I can do about it (for what it’s worth I don’t think it will affect her performance nearly as much as people think)
@@BrotherMunro oh... Btw are out there any games simular to ultimate admiral that are free or cheap less than 10$?
What a fight
Vanguard should have stayed at range and easily beat Bismarck
Vanguard not having a conning tower probably hamstrung her, as command and control would be adversely affected by any hit there. Ironically, Lutjens and Lindermann were historically killed bt a bridge hit. They weren't in their conning tower either
1. Bismarck - 0.5 points - 1/4 played
2/3/4. NorDak/Iowa/Yamato - 0 played
5. HMS Vanguard - 0 points - 1/4 played
At some point (blank) it seemed that the two ships were drunkards fighting, unable to aim anything, rolling around on their bellies 😀
If Vanguard in this universe was a variation of the original design, shouldn't she have triple 16" turrets?
No. Vanguard was designed independently of Lion and was always intended to carry 15”
Broadside much?
Wooo
Why not the King George V Class? I would argue the Vanguard is a rather rubbish ship. Has old outdated guns. Might as well carry those extra 2 14in plus quicker fire right too
KGV was in Division 2
It is a better ship then bismarck and what do you mean by rubbish it have better armour radar range and even tough it have an outdated turret it was upgraded and the range were also better and also the vanguard have better gun than bismarck
Can you do bismarck vs yamato k would rly like to see some yamato action in ultimate admiral dreadgnots
They will fight in this Division
Bismarck will win the entire thing. Pretty memeworthy but that's probably what will happen
I don't think so; she struggled hard against what I think is the worst piece of garbage in this entire division, most likely and sadly Iowa and Yamato will quickly do her in.
@@Kr0noZ I'm not going to pay attention to your response because of your bad take
@@silverhost9782 I concur
@@Kr0noZ I think she stands a fair chance against Iowa up close, even Yamato, to some degree (her ridiculously slow reloading guns)
But she’ll probably lose to both
In reality vanguard would have made the bismarck sinked as vanguard have thicker armour 356mm compared to bismarck 320mm then vanguard also have better range radar technology same speed and the guns were upgraded it have a better range and it was better then bismarck guns though in close range the bismarck may win the chance of winning around 40% but long range vanguard will beat bismarck
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Nice! Im the 44th!
Well well well...
I would have pegged Vanguard as bottom of the stack, but Bismarck came from a lower Division and managed to win - even if she barely managed.
This does not bode well for my beloved steel beast, struggling against Vanguard this hard.
I don't see her winning against an Iowa or Yamato, both of which I predict will ABSOLUTELY TRASH Vanguard (and yeah, in case you missed it, I think the British hunk of junk is bad and should never have been built; The superstructure is chunky, blocky and ugly, the turrets look like they were stolen from a much older ship and the guns are too short relative to the turret housing and caliber and look (again) like they got stolen from a WW1 ship (because they could have been, those were in service in 1915 ^^) and the armor was WORSE than KGV because they had to compromise on weight savings; absolutely ridiculous to build this pile of scrap metal in 1944).
IMO bad take
Building her in such a late era was definitely unnecessary, Her armory was actually quite decent, and the armor was only slightly worse (barely made a difference to anything she’d face)
But compared to some ships built before her, she is quite lacking, but considering the reasons why she was designed, it makes sense
She was the most accurate bb built
In reality vanguard would have made the bismarck sinked as vanguard have thicker armour then bismarck better range radar technology same speed and the guns were upgraded it have a better range and it was better then bismarck guns though in close range the bismarck may win but long range vanguard will beat bis