You have good taste 🤙. I still listen to Mepmphis Will Be Laid To Waste every other day because it's a solid song. But The Chariot will always be my favorite band though. Their live performance was AMAZING. 68' is decent, too
Jean was about the albums and merch and Chariot was about the experience and pushing the boundaries of whatever genre you wanted to put them in. Both good bands, but a wise man once said, A true artist knows when to stop. I think that is true of Josh and the Chariot but not Norma Jean. The Chariot's last show is indicative of that. Every single person in that room was screaming the last words with passion. It's hard to create a band like that.
If you're in the market for using fewer words, you could've just said: "Norma Jean is main stream and The Chariot is punk. I like both, but prefer The Chariot, due to their punk ethos." It's that easy. (My fav NJ albums are the oldies, so I obviously like The Chariot best because the sound is harsher, but I had to say something because your comment clearly tries to make a value judgment without making one about the two bands)
Norma jean weren’t “about the merch and albums “ when josh left in 02. They hadn’t even released bless the martyr. The passion and creativity was there but apparently not for josh. Only josh knows why he left. it remains a mystery to everyone else including his former band members.
Agree with you fully here! The last show the Chariot did in Chicago is still one of those moments I will never ever forget for the rest of my life. So much emotion.
Josh Scogin, and the first Norma Jean album, is the only reason I started listening to that style of metal. It was just constantly in your face, and Josh screams with the most passion I have ever heard someone scream. In fact, the passion is even more on Chariot songs!! But, glad '68 is a thing now!
If you notice Norma jean makes more money than the chariot........norma jean travels in a top of the line tour bus while the chariot travel in a van........I believe josh chose to leave because it was easier to stay and make more money and play bigger shows.......he took the humble road......the harder road to keep practice his faith........I respect him so much for this because most artist take the easier road and want all the money......Norma jean still rules no doubt about it........
Anthony Gonzalez you do realise he left shortly after the band released their first album right? At which point they weren't at all popular. They were definitely not making real money back then nor would they be making much money now. I guarantee you they have normal jobs when they're not touring, that's how it is these days. Just because a band is in a bus and has a reasonable crowd it doesn't mean they're making big dollars. This is such a common misconception
@@transient442 THANK YOU! I worked for 3 years with Nothing More and everyone was under the notion that we were riding in a nice tour bus that the band members and us crew member had it made. Making money hand over fist etc. Not the case at all. Everyone in the band works a 9 to 5 when not on tour. Luckily we all work at local venues in our respective cities therefore getting time off for touring is very easy. But just bc you roll in a tour bus and sell the joint out each night doesn't mean they have it made.
@@HTXREP Yeah people don't get it. Sure Norma Jean took busses on a lot of tours, but that came out of their earnings. Part of the reason why The Chariot wanted to be done with it was touring in that van, and I've heard at least one of them mention this. People don't understand what it means to be hitting 30 and touring. It's not easy on you, and you're not making money proportionate to the sacrifices. Some of these guys have broken their bodies and foregone having families because they are addicted to the passion of performing.
I saw them at All Star tour on sunday. Both The Chariot and Norma Jean. Both played amazingly. especially when josh came back and screamed a song with norma jean. It was brutal. It was awesome. If you ever get the chance to go to All Star tour, definitely go. The Chariot is the best band to see live. ever. Even if you aren't religious, like me.
@goodhelp101 Expressing your emotions through body movements. Pits aren't supposed to be about hurting people, the real purpose is for people the let themselves out in an extreme way.
“My The Chariot” 😂 I loved that first album, recorded Live, one of the most ruckus albums I’ve ever heard. I loved seeing Josh and these guys in Portland some time back mid-2000s
haha, someone at soulfest told me that one year they jumped off the stage and ran into the woods, while still playing, and then came back to the stage. lol. i saw them too, they are ridiculous performers.
I really enjoy this bands attitude. I feel like today, it's sort of a "Trend" to be in a Christan band. People feel like they need to copy others success, and the success is being a Christan band, but while they are doing that, they don't realize that they are bypassing the whole religion. I hope this band sparks a fire in people, and makes them think about the "D.I.Y" attitude and people start doing stuff differently and the way THEY want to do it.
As someone that listened too, loved, and watched both bands live, I can say they were two very different experience's. Norma Jean was much more...."scene" if you will. Much more "Check all the boxes." The Chariot though.....that live show was a fucking life altering moment. It was family, It was violence, it was love and it was war. I miss it veeeery very much.
I bet Josh saw the direction Jean was going in and realized he wanted to play music more freely and put more effort into stage presence. Look at both bands now. Jean is more about recording and The Chariot is more about live shows.
Norma Jean Redeemer is a masterpiece but I think The Chariot has better albums as a whole. Josh has been in two great bands but moving to The Chariot was the best move ever. I wish they were still around.
O God the Aftermath was a great album but the worst thing to happen to norma jean was Scogin leaving them, i love the chariot but lutikriss and norma jean will always sound better with Josh.
Its a shame this interview took place when it did. I feel like a lot of people would have much better questions. I can't believe no one asked any follow up when he opened it to the floor.
@thebillster91 Don't know about them, but you are right! I used to be so hooked with NJ. but I since I heared TC 2years ago, I never let go of them.haha
@burpcore1 I don't know about that, their lyrics really don't reflect anything about their lives and how they want to live. Their lyrics are worth a thousand words. It's not wrong to say that it's religious but it's wrong to say that's all they write about. It's very metaphoric and creative. For example, I always looked at wars and rumors of wars as a story of how war affects a soldier's idea of what is right and wrong. It could also be more of a inner battle of character and decisions.
Wars And Rumors Of Wars is a line from Revelation preceding the apocalypse. A major theme of the album was the passing of Josh's father, and his uncertainty in himself living without him.
The chariot was my end all be all band in 05'-06 and looking back now i ask myself why did this happen, how did religious metalcore have such an profound effect on me. I could never listen to this now its just so whatever, this music did not age well especially religious metalcore. belongs in the ground to be forgotten.
@thebillster91 Wrong sir, Norma Jean is the Almighty Norma Jean even with Scoggin. There is no stopping the Almighty Norma Jean. Norma Jean eats the Chariot.
Nope, mosh pits aren't about beating each other up. They're about just releasing all that energy. What does this have to do with his spiritual beliefs??? Passion, pasiion, passion, passion.
Leisure Muffin Super cereal? Josh made a great artistic choice. Norma Jean barey did anything remotely worthwhile after Josh left. Meanwhile, The Chariot amassed a dedicated following and performed some of the most passionate live performances that I've seen.
+Christina Mast // This can't be serious? Really? "Norma Jean barely did anything remotely worthwhile after Josh left"? I can appreciate that other have different musical tastes, but this is just not at all a true comment in any way, shape, or form. Norma Jean, after Josh left, is a better, more complete band, making album after album of incredible music. And have you seen Norma Jean? I will give you that The Chariot has fun shows, but they did not even compare to Norma Jean live.
This guy always stuck me as narcissistic. Especially through some of his lyrics but I like the Chariot. Doesn't every album have different members? Probably difficult to work with. Also, kind of glad he left. O' God the Aftermath was a watershed moment for Norma Jean and the new guy did THE perfect job. When I first discovered Norma Jean, Bless The Martyr was my favorite but each album got better and better (although I haven't heard the latest NJ album) and now I never go back to Bless The Martyr. The next 4 albums after that are just so much better.
Bless the Martyr is sooo different though... I like original NJ, Chariot and modern era NJ and I've been listening to them both since the beginning (LutiKriss), but you gotta admit, they're such different bands ... Bless the Martyr is absolutely incredible mathcore and post-Josh NJ is so much more sludgy. I personally still prefer BTM, maybe for nostalgia, but it's just heavier, crazier and more unique from my perspective..
@@standardbrah O God, The Aftermath is a blatant rip-off of Botch. The main style of the entire album is Botch's sound and style. It's my least favorite NJ album. Redeemer & Meridional are the best after Bless The Child.
I do not believe they did. Dallas Taylor left Underoath right after their first album, and he's never rejected God. I haven't cared for their music since he left either. If you haven't heard them, listen to Underoath's first two EP's and their first album. Most people haven't heard Cries Of The Past EP, and it's one of the best pieces of metal music I think has ever been recorded.
The Chariot's first album was the only one I liked for many years. It was recorded in a live room with the band all together rather than 1 instrument at a time. the same way Norma Jean's first album was recorded.
Wait, do not bands like this promote mosh pits... which in turn enable people to beat the shit out of each other. How does that promote any good notions of religion. P.s. I am of no religious ideology, just curious
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Norma Jean Bless a martyr kiss the child album is one of the best metal albums ever made it's truly a masterpiece
You have good taste 🤙. I still listen to Mepmphis Will Be Laid To Waste every other day because it's a solid song. But The Chariot will always be my favorite band though. Their live performance was AMAZING. 68' is decent, too
This video is history of a pioneer of extreme music. Thank 4 keeping this
2:36 *cough* Memphis Will Be Laid To Waste
Jean was about the albums and merch and Chariot was about the experience and pushing the boundaries of whatever genre you wanted to put them in. Both good bands, but a wise man once said, A true artist knows when to stop. I think that is true of Josh and the Chariot but not Norma Jean. The Chariot's last show is indicative of that. Every single person in that room was screaming the last words with passion. It's hard to create a band like that.
If you're in the market for using fewer words, you could've just said: "Norma Jean is main stream and The Chariot is punk. I like both, but prefer The Chariot, due to their punk ethos."
It's that easy.
(My fav NJ albums are the oldies, so I obviously like The Chariot best because the sound is harsher, but I had to say something because your comment clearly tries to make a value judgment without making one about the two bands)
@@wrarmatei wasnt making an value judgement nor trying to use few words to express a thought. Dont know what that needs to be said lol
@@wrarmatei what an utterly bizarre response
Norma jean weren’t “about the merch and albums “ when josh left in 02. They hadn’t even released bless the martyr. The passion and creativity was there but apparently not for josh. Only josh knows why he left. it remains a mystery to everyone else including his former band members.
Agree with you fully here! The last show the Chariot did in Chicago is still one of those moments I will never ever forget for the rest of my life. So much emotion.
I keep forgetting that Josh is a very spiritually religious guy, fair play to ya fella.
His whole career and I love it
He’s an artist and keeps doing it very well this many years later
All these guys are amazing. Norma jean is probably one of my favorite bands of all time.
Josh Scogin, and the first Norma Jean album, is the only reason I started listening to that style of metal.
It was just constantly in your face, and Josh screams with the most passion I have ever heard someone scream. In fact, the passion is even more on Chariot songs!!
But, glad '68 is a thing now!
Yeah 68 is cool
@@dgates6165 So is Holy+Gold that song pyramids reminds me of old norma jean
Norma jean is sooo amazing. Chariot is sooo good too. God is good.
Every time I see the thumbnail pop up I can’t unsee Jerry “The King” Lawler
This video was in my recommended right under a video about Lawler in Memphis hahahaha! You ain't kidding!
He probably gets way more Chariot questions now. We need The Chariot back. Long live
If you notice Norma jean makes more money than the chariot........norma jean travels in a top of the line tour bus while the chariot travel in a van........I believe josh chose to leave because it was easier to stay and make more money and play bigger shows.......he took the humble road......the harder road to keep practice his faith........I respect him so much for this because most artist take the easier road and want all the money......Norma jean still rules no doubt about it........
Anthony Gonzalez you do realise he left shortly after the band released their first album right? At which point they weren't at all popular. They were definitely not making real money back then nor would they be making much money now. I guarantee you they have normal jobs when they're not touring, that's how it is these days. Just because a band is in a bus and has a reasonable crowd it doesn't mean they're making big dollars. This is such a common misconception
@@transient442 THANK YOU! I worked for 3 years with Nothing More and everyone was under the notion that we were riding in a nice tour bus that the band members and us crew member had it made. Making money hand over fist etc. Not the case at all. Everyone in the band works a 9 to 5 when not on tour. Luckily we all work at local venues in our respective cities therefore getting time off for touring is very easy. But just bc you roll in a tour bus and sell the joint out each night doesn't mean they have it made.
@@HTXREP Yeah people don't get it. Sure Norma Jean took busses on a lot of tours, but that came out of their earnings. Part of the reason why The Chariot wanted to be done with it was touring in that van, and I've heard at least one of them mention this.
People don't understand what it means to be hitting 30 and touring. It's not easy on you, and you're not making money proportionate to the sacrifices.
Some of these guys have broken their bodies and foregone having families because they are addicted to the passion of performing.
He left cause he didn't want to sale his soul
thanks for hugging me and hanging out after sheffield gig, made my year xxx
I saw them at All Star tour on sunday. Both The Chariot and Norma Jean. Both played amazingly. especially when josh came back and screamed a song with norma jean. It was brutal. It was awesome. If you ever get the chance to go to All Star tour, definitely go. The Chariot is the best band to see live. ever. Even if you aren't religious, like me.
He probably came back for Memphis Will Be Laid To Waste
THE CHARIOT IS THE BAND OF BANDS
love both bands. I'm glad I got to see the 2nd to last show on their farewell tour.
I find it funny that most of the bands that are in my top 10 are Christian and I'm an atheist. :|
Watch age of deceit fallen angels and the nwo by facelikethesun on TH-cam and man I pray you do!
@@da6kz764 Wow, now I really see your side of things and am going to rethink my worldview (said extremely sarcastically)
@@da6kz764 look at yourself..
to fear god is to understand that she is the judge
Lol. That's funny. My favorite athletes are Christian.
Dude I'm the same fucking way, Living Sacrifice, Norma Jean, Zao, so much more lmao
Short answer: "I felt like it"
@goodhelp101 Expressing your emotions through body movements. Pits aren't supposed to be about hurting people, the real purpose is for people the let themselves out in an extreme way.
"Why'd I leave Norma Jean? Because I wanted to pursue a career of looking like a fictional character developed in the mind of Mike Judge."
What does this mean? lol
@@jacks910 No one knows what it means, but it's provocative
@@jacks910 he looks like Bobby hill
@@777superlightwater Hilarious answer.
what a cool guy. the best
confident in his spirituality and his decisions
“My The Chariot” 😂 I loved that first album, recorded Live, one of the most ruckus albums I’ve ever heard. I loved seeing Josh and these guys in Portland some time back mid-2000s
I just want to hug him
Thank you!
now i know why i loved the band at that time.
i was in that mexico concert. it was amazing.
haha, someone at soulfest told me that one year they jumped off the stage and ran into the woods, while still playing, and then came back to the stage. lol. i saw them too, they are ridiculous performers.
He has done exponentially better via The Chariot and ‘68. But Luti Kriss was sick
I really enjoy this bands attitude. I feel like today, it's sort of a "Trend" to be in a Christan band. People feel like they need to copy others success, and the success is being a Christan band, but while they are doing that, they don't realize that they are bypassing the whole religion. I hope this band sparks a fire in people, and makes them think about the "D.I.Y" attitude and people start doing stuff differently and the way THEY want to do it.
As someone that listened too, loved, and watched both bands live, I can say they were two very different experience's. Norma Jean was much more...."scene" if you will. Much more "Check all the boxes." The Chariot though.....that live show was a fucking life altering moment. It was family, It was violence, it was love and it was war.
I miss it veeeery very much.
They just announced yesterday they are breaking up (The Chariot)
I miss those days
I bet Josh saw the direction Jean was going in and realized he wanted to play music more freely and put more effort into stage presence. Look at both bands now. Jean is more about recording and The Chariot is more about live shows.
Norma Jean Redeemer is a masterpiece but I think The Chariot has better albums as a whole. Josh has been in two great bands but moving to The Chariot was the best move ever. I wish they were still around.
this is a josh scogin interview not a chariot interview
great guy
the chariot is GODLY!
"You should always think, or in our case, pray" lolz
@Anthony Gonzalez dang. Good insight
Norma Jean is a staple but The Chariot is legendary.
It's good to know that despite how much of a legend Josh Scogin is, he still owned a Drop Dead kitty hoody, back in the day 😂
Josh looks so young! I guess this was 4 years ago, lol.
O God the Aftermath was a great album but the worst thing to happen to norma jean was Scogin leaving them, i love the chariot but lutikriss and norma jean will always sound better with Josh.
MOSH4JESUS LOLZ
When I perform animal sacrifices, I always do it while listening to Norma Jean.
Its a shame this interview took place when it did. I feel like a lot of people would have much better questions. I can't believe no one asked any follow up when he opened it to the floor.
Jonathan is the best.
@thebillster91 Don't know about them, but you are right! I used to be so hooked with NJ. but I since I heared TC 2years ago, I never let go of them.haha
Doesn't matter who they are, as long as they make good music, ya know?
Nobody asked a question
You felt the call to tell
Oh my gosh what a heroic disiple of Christ
So its a very simple answer
Im a moron
Raise you and if you got winked at by Josh Scogin. *Raises hand* :B
He looks like the guy from SNL
That'd Be Sick. When Someones Been Given That Gift Of Course...
His speaking voice is strange , I would not think those sounds come from him he sounds like Ron Howard.
Kinda looks like a chunky Ron Howard as well. Lol
@burpcore1 I don't know about that, their lyrics really don't reflect anything about their lives and how they want to live. Their lyrics are worth a thousand words. It's not wrong to say that it's religious but it's wrong to say that's all they write about. It's very metaphoric and creative. For example, I always looked at wars and rumors of wars as a story of how war affects a soldier's idea of what is right and wrong. It could also be more of a inner battle of character and decisions.
Wars And Rumors Of Wars is a line from Revelation preceding the apocalypse.
A major theme of the album was the passing of Josh's father, and his uncertainty in himself living without him.
I have the same jacket he's wearing. Now I can wear it with pride! :)
You couldn't before?
@@BirdOfHermes8381 😆
@@beingashope 😉
Is this Christian hardcore? You bet your gosh darn rear end!!
🤣🤣
Hahahaha
The Cha Cha Cha Riot
is new album from norma jean sung by this guy or someone new
With norma jean any album 2004+ is cory branden on vocals
The chariot was my end all be all band in 05'-06 and looking back now i ask myself why did this happen, how did religious metalcore have such an profound effect on me. I could never listen to this now its just so whatever, this music did not age well especially religious metalcore. belongs in the ground to be forgotten.
count the "umms"
ums, and uhhs, 58! come on cuhhhhh
maybe the Lord is telling you something
@blindone661 New guy started after O God The Aftermath
Norma and The Jeans
Normal Jeans we called them. Lots of dudes wore girls pants back then, and they weren't transitioning.
hang on is he a cool southern Jesus guy>!!?
josh and corey both have riped pants
@thebillster91 Wrong sir, Norma Jean is the Almighty Norma Jean even with Scoggin. There is no stopping the Almighty Norma Jean. Norma Jean eats the Chariot.
@thebillster91 you got it! haha
jeebuscore sawqs arse
of course this is the chariot!!!
dan jon and jake left dude!!
get with it man! lol
x
=(( was he the only Christian in NJ? Somebody tag me in bands like Chariot and old NJ plzzz!! X
things you do for free but wouldn't for $$$.. 1) ram your head into a van full force 2) jump off a stage & land on your back. classic! :D
i love God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
or maybe its not. considering my favorite bands are atheists out of coincidence. but they do make good music :P
Nope, mosh pits aren't about beating each other up. They're about just releasing all that energy. What does this have to do with his spiritual beliefs??? Passion, pasiion, passion, passion.
umad? its k Jesus still loves you :)
Wow Im surprised he actually DID leave because of faith reasons. I wasnt even sure if he was a christian lol
@Chisumisfregginsexy yes thats what im talkin bout
The lord told me that anyone who listens to the lord is really really dumb. because he only exists in your head *wink*
Cringe
Russian pleeease!!!
Guess god wanted Norma Jean to have a better vocalist
You must be a troll
RocknAndRollin no I'm srsly
Leisure Muffin Super cereal?
Josh made a great artistic choice. Norma Jean barey did anything remotely worthwhile after Josh left. Meanwhile, The Chariot amassed a dedicated following and performed some of the most passionate live performances that I've seen.
+Christina Mast // This can't be serious? Really? "Norma Jean barely did anything remotely worthwhile after Josh left"? I can appreciate that other have different musical tastes, but this is just not at all a true comment in any way, shape, or form. Norma Jean, after Josh left, is a better, more complete band, making album after album of incredible music. And have you seen Norma Jean? I will give you that The Chariot has fun shows, but they did not even compare to Norma Jean live.
How did I get into this? I never watched this interview let alone write something about it?
This guy always stuck me as narcissistic. Especially through some of his lyrics but I like the Chariot. Doesn't every album have different members? Probably difficult to work with. Also, kind of glad he left. O' God the Aftermath was a watershed moment for Norma Jean and the new guy did THE perfect job. When I first discovered Norma Jean, Bless The Martyr was my favorite but each album got better and better (although I haven't heard the latest NJ album) and now I never go back to Bless The Martyr. The next 4 albums after that are just so much better.
Bless the Martyr is sooo different though... I like original NJ, Chariot and modern era NJ and I've been listening to them both since the beginning (LutiKriss), but you gotta admit, they're such different bands ... Bless the Martyr is absolutely incredible mathcore and post-Josh NJ is so much more sludgy. I personally still prefer BTM, maybe for nostalgia, but it's just heavier, crazier and more unique from my perspective..
@@standardbrah O God, The Aftermath is a blatant rip-off of Botch. The main style of the entire album is Botch's sound and style. It's my least favorite NJ album. Redeemer & Meridional are the best after Bless The Child.
This aged well… maybe Josh saw into the future… didn’t NJ pull an UnderOath and denounce God?
No not at all
hope so
I do not believe they did. Dallas Taylor left Underoath right after their first album, and he's never rejected God. I haven't cared for their music since he left either.
If you haven't heard them, listen to Underoath's first two EP's and their first album.
Most people haven't heard Cries Of The Past EP, and it's one of the best pieces of metal music I think has ever been recorded.
Original Norma Jean was better than Original Chariot
The Chariot's first album was the only one I liked for many years.
It was recorded in a live room with the band all together rather than 1 instrument at a time.
the same way Norma Jean's first album was recorded.
.. and they are more talented than you. Whos the judge now?
Super vague. Worst answer ever.
Wait, do not bands like this promote mosh pits... which in turn enable people to beat the shit out of each other. How does that promote any good notions of religion.
P.s. I am of no religious ideology, just curious
Thank God he did leave Norma Jean. The Chariot are amazing and Norma Jean suck now.
CHRISTIANS CONTINUALLY MAKE POOR DECISIONS. POOR GUIDANCE.
Oh man... explain that rational thought... please...