Somewhere around 2 minutes into this video I show how to measure the inside an outside diameters of a bushing or bearing using a caliper. th-cam.com/video/2wfTREc_nUA/w-d-xo.html Even a really cheap one like this would be good enough: www.harborfreight.com/6-in-utility-caliper-63664.html
@@TheFishingHobby I appreciate it. Those Shimano Sienna's are cheap enough that having 2-3 for spinning applications won't break the bank at all but if I could upgrade them they may last a couple years.
Have you seen these yet? th-cam.com/video/rvQ_bi5wUJY/w-d-xo.html It is basically the same reel as the new style Sienna with one less bearing and only $20 👍
I've had a couple folks tell me they changed the bearings in these reels, and they greatly appreciated the improvements also. Now I just need to find time to clean my own large collection of reels. Take care.
A few years ago I found the smaller combos (black reels w/4lb test and 4'8" 1100 rods) on clearance for $9.99 and purchased what they had left just for the rods. I love the look of the 1100 series. I took off the reels and put them away. I might have to take one apart and see what the bushings look like in them. I had a couple vintage Shakespeare 2200 ck25s that I put on the rods.
You may have to pull the side plate a few times to get the shimming right. You will only feel it when you crank the handle. You could get lucky and get a perfect meshing of the gears using the factory shim washer (or washers depending on how many they had to use at the factory). Sometimes you have to add shims and sometimes you don't. Everything else is pretty straightforward and easy. Hope it goes well for you!
Very informative. Recently I've been taking video of my reels when I repair/clean them for reference. I used to take a lot of pictures! If I don't I can never get them working just right.
No. They work with some and not others. Your best bet would be to measure your plastic bushings and then order the sizes you need. Hope that helps you out!
@@TheFishingHobby ok i got it.based on your experience,which part from cheap reels tends to broke first?i'm planning to buy a super cheap reel with full plastic body and i will use it for ultra light fishing.
@@bigboy8692 the anti-reverse mechanism can break on some low end reels, especially if they use a plastic arm to engage the anti-reverse gear teeth. Faulty line rollers that don't turn like they should are also common. The pinion and main drive gears usually don't mesh together as well and often wear out faster or even shear off teeth. That is just my personal experience. The Okuma Aria reels are fairly well made and really cheap: th-cam.com/video/zwwPwaJOPYs/w-d-xo.html
Cool vid! I have this exact reel combo. Ive caught a couple 20 inch catfish with it. Surprising it held up. It pulls big 10 inch panfish and decent bass out. I would like to upgrade the drag.
Well, my cost was less than $2 so yes 😁 There honestly isn't anything inherently wrong with nylon bushings. They do their job and do it well. It feels smooth with the stock nylon bushings but it doesn't spin as easily as it does with the bearings. I really like bearings in the line rollers though. It really frees them up drastically. Unfortunately, that is an area where bearing failure would be more likely because of the extra exposure to dirt and other things.
Hi awesome vid! Im looking to do the same with some of my reels coult you tell me where you buy your bearings from im having trouble finding in expensive bearings. Im only upgrading a 30 dollar reel so i really dont want to spend a fortune on amazing bearings just want to repair some old reels and get more life out of them! thank for the vid and i hope to hear from you.
Yes sir! Sometimes the budget reels in a manufacturer's product line are very similar to the more expensive ones but they use bushings in place of ball bearings. With the ability to purchase inexpensive ball bearings via the Internet you can swap them out and have a little smoother reel. I have other reels I have done this with too and a few other videos about the process as well.
@lazy carper I'd be glad to help explain that. I will put out a video on that subject Monday and show exactly how I do it. If you haven't already, subscribe to my channel and and turn on notifications by clicking the bell icon. With notifications on, you will be notified when I put out a new video. I will get that video uploaded for you tomorrow. 👍
@@TheFishingHobby wow , now thats helpful thank you! ,i like a really light to turn reel for fresh water fishing, but the ones that are sold as high as 10 bearings still feel worse than ones i have with just 3, in england
Sometimes bearing count is overated. If there are 3 bearings (one for pinion gear and one on each side of the main drive gear) you should be just fine. Most companies use greased bearings and they don't move as freely as oiled bearings. For freshwater, I use oiled bearings 👍
Looks like a lot of skill, tools, parts, time and money 💰. Q.Why not just buy the better reel to begin with????? (That's kinda what I do all the time!)
I use some inexpensive digital calipers to measure the removable plastic bushings and order bearings in the same size. If you aren't familiar with using calipers, you can take a look at this video (more like a slideshow) I did a while back that shows how to measure inside/outside diameters and thickness: th-cam.com/video/2wfTREc_nUA/w-d-xo.html Hope that helps!
I wouldn't know what sizes they use unfortunately. Other places to look for bearings would be tiny ones on both sides of the line roller and sometimes there are multiple bearings in the spools as well. Some reels will use small bearings in the reel housing that support the oscillation shafts and pinion gears as well. They may also be counting the needle bearing anti reverse assembly in the bearing count although that is usually designated as a +1 bearing. For example, if a reel say it has 3+1 bearings it will mean one bearing on each side of the main drive gear (2), one on the pinion shaft (3) and the anti-reverse needle bearing (+1). I hope that makes sense.
The sizes for the main drive gear are called out in the video (2 different sizes) and I can't remember off the top of my head but I know I said what they were in the video. I didn't measure the pinion bearing because it came with one already.
The sizes for the main drive gear bearings are in the video and they are 2 different sizes. I didn't use a bearing part number, I just looked up the sizes and found the bearings that way.
You can slow the playback speed of the video down under the settings on the TH-cam video player. That may help. You may want to mute the video because the audio will be slower too.
I'm not telling people to do this, just showing that you can. For me, I have the parts already on hand and this is a 10 minute job if I just did the work without filming it or trying to explain how to do it. I bought the rod and reel for some where around $17 (good rod that was worth the price in total) while on vacation. For me, the $3 in parts and 10 minutes in time wasn't a big deal. Anyone else would want to weigh their options. There is nothing inherently wrong with the reel itself in the way it is constructed. Materials and components are the same as reels that cost more. The body was obviously made to accommodate bearings that more expensive models based on the same body design would come with. Lots of reels are made this way. This is how people can upgrade the cheaper models.
How do I go about determining what size products I need to replace/upgrade parts
Somewhere around 2 minutes into this video I show how to measure the inside an outside diameters of a bushing or bearing using a caliper. th-cam.com/video/2wfTREc_nUA/w-d-xo.html
Even a really cheap one like this would be good enough: www.harborfreight.com/6-in-utility-caliper-63664.html
@@TheFishingHobby I appreciate it. Those Shimano Sienna's are cheap enough that having 2-3 for spinning applications won't break the bank at all but if I could upgrade them they may last a couple years.
Have you seen these yet?
th-cam.com/video/rvQ_bi5wUJY/w-d-xo.html
It is basically the same reel as the new style Sienna with one less bearing and only $20 👍
You could also go to a Bearing merchant and ask for the equivalent ball bearings to replace the bushes.
have you ever heard caliper.. i was grade school when teach me how to used one...untill now still using it...
I've had a couple folks tell me they changed the bearings in these reels, and they greatly appreciated the improvements also. Now I just need to find time to clean my own large collection of reels. Take care.
A few years ago I found the smaller combos (black reels w/4lb test and 4'8" 1100 rods) on clearance for $9.99 and purchased what they had left just for the rods. I love the look of the 1100 series. I took off the reels and put them away. I might have to take one apart and see what the bushings look like in them. I had a couple vintage Shakespeare 2200 ck25s that I put on the rods.
Cool little upgrade...especially if you get them dirt cheap
Thanks for the shoutout 😃👍 I will definitely be upgrading the reel when I get the parts. Thank you
You may have to pull the side plate a few times to get the shimming right. You will only feel it when you crank the handle. You could get lucky and get a perfect meshing of the gears using the factory shim washer (or washers depending on how many they had to use at the factory). Sometimes you have to add shims and sometimes you don't. Everything else is pretty straightforward and easy.
Hope it goes well for you!
Whoa I’ve never seen the inside of a spinning reel. A bit overwhelming at first glance but I’m sure I can take this on 💪🏻
Very informative. Recently I've been taking video of my reels when I repair/clean them for reference. I used to take a lot of pictures! If I don't I can never get them working just right.
It definitely is helpful!
Great video. Sorry I've been gone in the woods. Back now and catching up now.
Sir so does steel bearing is more effective and longer life than nailon bushings, is that r u trying to say ? Plz tell me know sir?
Not necessarily. Just less friction.
Are those bearing sizes applicable to any cheap reels we can buy on the market?
No. They work with some and not others. Your best bet would be to measure your plastic bushings and then order the sizes you need. Hope that helps you out!
@@TheFishingHobby ok i got it.based on your experience,which part from cheap reels tends to broke first?i'm planning to buy a super cheap reel with full plastic body and i will use it for ultra light fishing.
@@bigboy8692 the anti-reverse mechanism can break on some low end reels, especially if they use a plastic arm to engage the anti-reverse gear teeth. Faulty line rollers that don't turn like they should are also common. The pinion and main drive gears usually don't mesh together as well and often wear out faster or even shear off teeth. That is just my personal experience. The Okuma Aria reels are fairly well made and really cheap: th-cam.com/video/zwwPwaJOPYs/w-d-xo.html
Awesome upgrades! Thank you for sharing!
Cool vid! I have this exact reel combo. Ive caught a couple 20 inch catfish with it. Surprising it held up. It pulls big 10 inch panfish and decent bass out. I would like to upgrade the drag.
To upgrade the drag you can order a carbontex sheet and replace the fiber washers and grease them
I like these reel tear down videos. Cool stuff man!
Thanks 👍
How many mm ball bearings will be required?
Nice video tips, from where you get those reel parts
I ordered them on eBay.
Great video as usual. Did you notice a difference big enough to warrant the cost?
Well, my cost was less than $2 so yes 😁
There honestly isn't anything inherently wrong with nylon bushings. They do their job and do it well. It feels smooth with the stock nylon bushings but it doesn't spin as easily as it does with the bearings. I really like bearings in the line rollers though. It really frees them up drastically. Unfortunately, that is an area where bearing failure would be more likely because of the extra exposure to dirt and other things.
Well, that's one way to get more mileage out of a lower end reel. I never really thought about trying to replace bits and pieces in them.
I can't leave well enough alone 😂
How do you decide the sized of the ball bearings to replace the bushings? For Penn wrath 5000?
You have to measure them in order to know what size you need to get unless you find a chart somewhere online that has the correct sizes listed out.
Nice upgrades,thanks for sharing!
Hi awesome vid! Im looking to do the same with some of my reels coult you tell me where you buy your bearings from im having trouble finding in expensive bearings. Im only upgrading a 30 dollar reel so i really dont want to spend a fortune on amazing bearings just want to repair some old reels and get more life out of them! thank for the vid and i hope to hear from you.
Thanks! I get most of mine on eBay and look them up by size (inside diameter, outside diameter, thickness).
@@TheFishingHobby okay right on ebay? didnt think of that! i do have the measurements for the bearings just didnt know where to look! thank you!
@@flowtrow9780 no problem, good luck!
Well that's a freakin awesome upgrade! Didn't even know you could do that lol Great work brother
Yes sir! Sometimes the budget reels in a manufacturer's product line are very similar to the more expensive ones but they use bushings in place of ball bearings. With the ability to purchase inexpensive ball bearings via the Internet you can swap them out and have a little smoother reel. I have other reels I have done this with too and a few other videos about the process as well.
Well that is great to know, i might have to try this out. Thanks for replying my brotha!
hello, please can you tell me how you de-grease and oil the bearings, how do you get the grease out, and what oil do you use ,thank you!
@lazy carper I'd be glad to help explain that. I will put out a video on that subject Monday and show exactly how I do it. If you haven't already, subscribe to my channel and and turn on notifications by clicking the bell icon. With notifications on, you will be notified when I put out a new video. I will get that video uploaded for you tomorrow. 👍
@@TheFishingHobby wow , now thats helpful thank you! ,i like a really light to turn reel for fresh water fishing, but the ones that are sold as high as 10 bearings still feel worse than ones i have with just 3, in england
Sometimes bearing count is overated. If there are 3 bearings (one for pinion gear and one on each side of the main drive gear) you should be just fine. Most companies use greased bearings and they don't move as freely as oiled bearings. For freshwater, I use oiled bearings 👍
@@TheFishingHobby and after your video on monday i will be too, ha ha, ;)
Got the video uploaded 👍 th-cam.com/video/O65DBtg5rf8/w-d-xo.html
Awesome modifications bro
Thanks my friend!
Ugly Stik for life!
Looks like a lot of skill, tools, parts, time and money 💰.
Q.Why not just buy the better reel to begin with?????
(That's kinda what I do all the time!)
It is easy and inexpensive to me. Definitely not for everyone though.
how do you find out what size bearing you need to order
I use some inexpensive digital calipers to measure the removable plastic bushings and order bearings in the same size. If you aren't familiar with using calipers, you can take a look at this video (more like a slideshow) I did a while back that shows how to measure inside/outside diameters and thickness: th-cam.com/video/2wfTREc_nUA/w-d-xo.html
Hope that helps!
I have a Lew's speed cf200sk all I can find are 6 but it says it has 10 could you help me maybe ge the correct sizes for them
I wouldn't know what sizes they use unfortunately. Other places to look for bearings would be tiny ones on both sides of the line roller and sometimes there are multiple bearings in the spools as well. Some reels will use small bearings in the reel housing that support the oscillation shafts and pinion gears as well. They may also be counting the needle bearing anti reverse assembly in the bearing count although that is usually designated as a +1 bearing. For example, if a reel say it has 3+1 bearings it will mean one bearing on each side of the main drive gear (2), one on the pinion shaft (3) and the anti-reverse needle bearing (+1). I hope that makes sense.
Sir you know what bearing size in deukio reel 3000 series
I do not, sorry.
What size did you use for the main gear?
I can't remember the sizes off the top of my head, but they are called out in the video. The main drive gear used 2 different sized bearings.
Very cool!!!
how much were bearings
Cheap. I buy them 10 at a time on eBay and they usually cost around 50¢ or so each.
Plz expain how to fit the handle lock
Do you mean the anti-reverse switch?
How can buy the main gare of that reel
I doubt Shakespeare sells replacement parts for this particular reel.
Nice👍
Very nice!
What is the size of the main shaft bearing??
The sizes for the main drive gear are called out in the video (2 different sizes) and I can't remember off the top of my head but I know I said what they were in the video. I didn't measure the pinion bearing because it came with one already.
How do you degrease the parts ?
Two products that work well for degreasing and usually don't harm paint on reels are WD-40 and naphtha
OMG. No chance i would get that thing back together.
Daiwa Regal cheap as dirt
But build tough
They have a good budget line with the Regal line for many years. Very solid reels for sure.
Gear drive bearing number plees
The sizes for the main drive gear bearings are in the video and they are 2 different sizes. I didn't use a bearing part number, I just looked up the sizes and found the bearings that way.
Cool
👍👍👍👍👍
Nice reel u got there!! I just uploaded a new video!! Go check it out👍🏼
Im trying to follow you but you are going way to fast.
You can slow the playback speed of the video down under the settings on the TH-cam video player. That may help. You may want to mute the video because the audio will be slower too.
Why would u even want to do this? Go spend 30 dollars on a half decent reel. Thia ain't worth the labor in my opinion
I'm not telling people to do this, just showing that you can. For me, I have the parts already on hand and this is a 10 minute job if I just did the work without filming it or trying to explain how to do it. I bought the rod and reel for some where around $17 (good rod that was worth the price in total) while on vacation. For me, the $3 in parts and 10 minutes in time wasn't a big deal. Anyone else would want to weigh their options. There is nothing inherently wrong with the reel itself in the way it is constructed. Materials and components are the same as reels that cost more. The body was obviously made to accommodate bearings that more expensive models based on the same body design would come with. Lots of reels are made this way. This is how people can upgrade the cheaper models.