Narcissism ... What It Is and What It Isn’t | Therapy & Theology
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- “Narcissism” is a word that gets thrown around a lot, but what does it really mean? And how does it affect your life?
In this episode of Therapy & Theology, we'll unpack narcissism through a conversation with Lysa TerKeurst; Licensed Professional Counselor Jim Cress; and Proverbs 31 Ministries’ Director of Theological Research, Dr. Joel Muddamalle.
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My husband has NPD, he's a ten out of ten. I've been married to him for 30 years and loved him like crazy, did everything I could for him without realizing what I was doing. The last ten years have been a nightmare. I've been studying this both in psychology and in the Bible and have decided it's too dangerous for me to stay. Please pray for me as I find my way out, while trying to keep my eyes on Jesus every step of the way.
Praying! 🙏 I'm 40 yrs in met when 18, friends for 7 yrs before dating...never saw it coming. God is good, 3 beautiful children who are almost out of the house, seems too dangerous to live alone with him. Pray for God to guide me too. ❤️
@@robinredmond9642 I’m sorry you and your children are suffering. May you sense the presence of the Holy Spirit and receive courage and confidence to do what He leads you to. And may you have the peace that surpasses all understanding as you walk in obedience and love. I’m not saying what He’s leading you to do except that Jesus wants you to know Him and trust and walk with Him as He leads you.
Was married to an npd for 30 yrs. Decades of praying, begging him to listen to the Bible, get wise counsel (let’s face it, in his eyes who was going to be smarter than him). Left him 9 yrs ago. The peace, thankfulness, not pulling up to wherever I’m living being in fear or chaos. Leaving is a definite process. But I’m grateful to God for Him being nothing like anyone here on earth (in spite of my ex thinking he and Jesus being some kind of twins). I’m praying for you. May you grow in the Word of God to discover who He is and be able to live in the fruit of the Spirit ❤️
I know your comment was over a year ago, just wondering if you got out? And how it was going through the divorce. I am 29 years and did the same as you, and have been separated for almost 2 years and he just won’t divorce me. He lives with a woman he had an affair with many years ago. And seriously just told me how he missed me and loves me. My fog that i was in has definitely lifted. I just need help on how to finally cutting the last tie with him , getting divorced
@@TheMoms4 I am living in my own apartment with a cat 🐈 and a dog 🐕 and I have peace! I live about two miles from the house and see my husband about twice a week. When he becomes mean and angry I hang up on him and won’t see him for several days. All of a sudden it’s “Let’s have sushi!” again. 🍱 He hasn’t stopped drinking, hasn’t seen his therapist, hasn’t gone back to church. I’m in limbo. 🤔. I’m trying to stay extra close to Jesus and He is taking excellent care of me!
I left my home 2020. He was having another affair with a married Woman. Never heard of Narcissist. Asked Why this happened? Learned about Narcissists. Was married for 42 years. Always did what he wanted. Took all of his abuse. Then said I’m done. I’ve been set free from a toxic unhealthy man. I’m free and living my best life!!❤ God is good!
So happy for your freedom and blessings.
I was married to a covert narcissist for 32 years and finally divorced him October 2023. I began to confront him without backing down. He would not face his shame and I would no longer hide his true self behind the pain of his shame. I am no longer ashamed! No longer fearful of his sexual immorality being exposed! I am free!
A person with narcissism or narcissistic behaviors/tendencies will weaponize ANYTHING you tell them, any thing they know about scripture, anything they read they will twist it, they are conniving and deceitful. Guard your heart against these types of people.
I was married to a Narcissist for 25 years. God set me free a couple years ago. I am living my best life now.
Thanks for this Lysa
Amen!
Wow!! I bet it was really hard.
@Lisa E Amen! Spent 31yrs with a covert narc spouse. Greatful to be out but he still tries to stalk me, keeps dragging me through court and consuming my finances. I thought it would be over when the divorce was issued...not so far.
@@user-ir5ul1ph1c remember, still a pretense not a picture of all the time, only a few seconds.
I was blown away reading comments from people who were in marriages for 25 plus years with partners with narcissistic traits or worse. They gave me hope to heal. I am so grateful for the wisdom shared here.
I was 24 year with my husband. It was so dangerous to my well being and health of myself and my children. I have gotten curable (thank you Ahayah!) Std’s. Being cheated on multiple times. And blamed for it. Lied and manipulated the whole nine. It has been 5 months of us being separate and on the way to divorce. And it is both beautiful and sad and I am doing so much better without him. Mind you we have been separated before for years and decided to make it work or that’s what I thought it was. It was more love bombing than anything else I am on my way to Health. I am dropped 18 pounds in five months. I look younger I’m growing I have more confidence I can think straight. My house doesn’t have a heavy darkness inside of it. Depression is gone, anxiety is gone. Doors and blessings have been opening. It’s unfortunate but I praise the father for getting me out of this situation. It was him after all that showed me the things I needed to see in order to know the truth. Those are you keep speaking the truth, and Ahayah will reveal it too you.
Me too, I’ve been in a relationship with a narcissist for almost 4 years. I left my secure, healthy, happy and loving environment and trusted him with me and my kids lives. The horror that we have lived through and are still going through but God willingly not for long. Please pray for me and my two girls
I’m grateful you are talking about this! I don’t think this is a tiny percent of the population. It seems to be rampant.
Thanks for watching!
Yeah I was extremely surprised to hear that as well.. I'm just one person in this world and I have met countless narcissists / psychopath... It is an epidemic...
Personally in seeing the history of the church & how it's abandoned those who needed help - I've asked many many times through my 45 years of abusive marriage & got nothing, zilch, told to go back, ignored completely, & society praying on that with all this now new age stuff, & the enmy finding his way in. It's actually very scary & at times terrifying after my own experience with my ex-husband. Many have walked away from the church becuase they're not cared for. The only reason I'm still a Christian is I got Saved at 6 through a miracalous way & know Jesus is the only truth. But I tell you it's been really hard & really lonely.
The core of narcissism is shame in people with narcissistic personality disorder. Narcissism in sociopaths/psychopaths is not based on shame it is based on superiority. Sociopaths/psychopaths are incapable of feeling shame. This is a very important distinction.
Your response is very true. I am living with one.
I am so pleased to watch this topic from a Christian perspective. Lysa said it exactly, the charm draws you in and fills you up in the beginning, but then they turn around to suck the life out of you emotionally. Yet you long to get the charmer back and you change in hope that if you do this or that you’ll get back the amazing person you were so attracted to in the beginning. Unfortunately, that is the false persona that was an act, this person never exited and was a delusion.
The initial love-bombing phase is so deadly. Leaves you holding out for the exception, not the reality. Hanging onto the dream of “what was”
Ohhh my goodness. You just described my life . I wanted my ex-husband back so badly. Not the person he is now....the old him....the one I married. I just wanted everything to go back to then. I only recently realized, that doesn't exist, simply because I stopped being the doormat and accepting ALL the blame and taking ALL the responsibility for everything that was wrong in our marriage. And suddenly....I wasn't hos biggest cheerleader and he went off to charm someone else who would inflate his ego.
No the personality never existed. It take counseling and everything else in order to be healed from the abuse that you endured. We have to learn to slow things down, and pay attention to the red flags that the Holy Spirit reveals to us. We have to learn how to be okay with letting people go, and walk away from them when the Lord lead us to. This even mean walking away from family and so call friends that are toxic and dysfunctional as well. Everyone have a blessed day/week, and always know that the joy of the Lord is your strength.
This is one of the toughest bones to swallow, but as the saying goes, sometimes the truth hurts. I lost a lot of trust in my own perception of a person/people, during and after I ended the rollercoaster dance from the deep dark depths. I will never be able to trust blindly again. My new saying is treat them like a predator, until they show you they aren’t, through their actions/behavior/character. This will take a lot of time and patience and friendship first, to prove a person can be trusted.
That is because narcissist has established a "trauma bond." Or if you are looking at it from a spiritual perspective, a "soul tie." It's basically an addiction. The beautiful news is that God can break this. For some it may have to happen in counseling. For some it will be on more of a spiritual level. I had to do both. Check out Pastor RC Blake's TH-cam channel. He has a lot of videos in which he talks about narcissism and soul ties.
I thank God for this message. I have struggled with my husband displaying narcissistic behaviors . This topic message confirms my assumptions. He was deeply wounded as a child and this has carried into his adult life and now into our marriage. Praying God’s divine healing for deep wounds inflicted upon as a child.
I'm still trying to deal with my now ex-husband who had a terrible childhood. We were together for 13 years and divorced 2 years and he keeps pulling me back in and I'm desperately seeking God to help me get out of this web or to set him free. It also affects our son because he promises so much to him & never follows through. I'll be praying for you & your marriage.
severe childhood wounds for my narcopath ex-husband as well. No empathy for humans or animals
Stephanie, for the sake of your son also, please create consistent and safe distance until he is willing to acknowledge his harmful behaviors and commit to changing them. For me it was helpful to only communicate via email or text so that I could reread things to prevent being confused from the gaslighting.
Refer him to previous emails of yours if he keeps wanting to write in circles.
Same here , I am contemplating divorce at this point we've been together for 4 years and have a three-year-old son. Trying to find a free Christian marriage counseling but haven't found one yet
@@jenniferribeiro9568 Focus on the Family can help you. ...
Problem worth narcissistists is that they rarely ever get help bcuz they think nothing is wrong with them
I agree mine thinks he is never wrong and will argue with you until you just let it go
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Crazy ppl don't know there crazy.
Yes, that is at the crux of personality d/o, inflexibility to treatment.
Narcissist very rarely respond to therapy or treatment even if they go. It is basically untreatable at this point in time.
The intersection of biblical theology and emotional/mental health and therapy has been a long neglected arena of dialogue. I’m so grateful to stumble upon this channel. Ty for all the good work!
Amen! This is why I’m in school for Christian counseling. It seems like it’s just now emerging.
I'm a covert/vulnerable narcissist, and this SERIOUSLY hinders my faith in Christ. I've been questioning my whole life, how I've treated people, whether my faith has been genuine, why I am the way I am, etc. I need to change, and this is because I am absolutely terrified of ultimately being abandoned by God in Hell. I understand intellectually that I am responsible for my sin, but deep in my heart is this sense of entitlement and hostility towards God for not snapping His finger and helping me. I hate this, and it can be torture. I've even questioned if me seeking help from my church is a way just to fill my "supply." I need Christ to change me, because I really don't see how I can do this by myself. Please pray for anyone struggling with this. It is a HUGE hinderence on dying to self. It seems almost impossible to die to myself, no matter how bad I want to. There is always a selfish motive behind everything, and that is discouraging.
Therapy??
I'm the exact same
I think if you are aware of all that you may not actually BE a narcissist but just have the tendencies. The Holy Spirit empowers you to do all that you are struggling to do. If you are struggling, know it's not you that's going to overcome. The spirit of God will overcome it with you. Shift your mindset from striving/working to be a better person to surrender. I worked at being "good" but like you I questioned my own motives. Once I was baptized in the Holy Spirit the power struggle shifted for me. It's still hard to grow and become more self aware and set boundaries, but it's no longer an overwhelming or drowning feeling. If you haven't been baptized with the Holy Spirit I recommend looking at TH-cam for some videos about that. I know the younger guys like Isaiah Saldivar, Daniel Adams, and Vlad at Hungry generation commonly have videos about this. Or ask God. [Luk 11:13 NASB95] 13 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"
[Jhn 20:22 NASB95] 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.”
I also recommend the book Soul Care by Rob Reimer. Absolutely life changing for me and a very practical roadmap to identifying the issues that are hindering you with God.
It is by the grace of God alone that any of us will overcome anything. REST in the finished work of Christ and trust the Holy Spirit to move you forward moment to moment. Praying for you! Keep fighting and leaning into His good promises.
Lysa said it exactly, “The ultimate narcissist is Satan.”
I wholeheartedly agree. Narcissist don’t have a real identity, they are empty. With Jesus there is hope. It may not come for the narcissist, but at least for us victims of their abuse.
I think narcissists can definitely recover if they have a real encounter with Jesus
@@somethinggood9267 I am praying for this to be true!
@@somethinggood9267 the problem is that their greatest fear is knowing their real selves and their real emotions.
@@lisacurtis8162 that is no way to live. Living in denial is a playacting thru life. I am positive Christ has saved many narcissists though. Im not saying theyll all receive Christ, just that it is possible. Hope that made sense : )
@@somethinggood9267 you have obviously never had a long(too) close(fake) relationship with a narcissist. Or had to deal with all the awful emotions that came from the destruction incurred by them and somehow(I don't know how) allowed by yourself. It's horrible. Go ahead and pray for them I guess. But if you really know one you will never get one authentic transparent emotion from them except anger.
I've spent 31 years in my marriage trying to make it work with a functioning alcoholic. When I saw that the alcohol was a problem I learned all I could to cope. There was something beyond the alcohol behavior I couldn't understand. Someone mentioned my husband sounded like a narcissist. As I learned about that subject I was blown away. I see the narcissistic behavior all over him. I feel sorry for him but don't want to be sucked in anymore. It's sad and it's going to take a miracle for him to change!
did you end it
2 Tim 3 PERFECTLY describes the narcissist...EVERY WORD!
...a 2-time narc survivor
I found that I became a person I did not like while with my narcissistic husband. My marriage of 23 years is presently ending after 1 1/2 years of counseling that educated me and helped me to understand this mental disorder. I didn’t feel I was strong enough to deal with the continued behaviors. Praying for those misguided folks and breaking away is all we can do.
I can definitely relate to that as they do everything they can to get you to react so they look like the victim. They were doing everything for you, not the other way around. They tell everyone how much they really cared about you and you betrayed them. I didn't like my reactions because it caused me even more shame along with figuring out it was my choice to stay and put up with it. Overcome by shame and guilt. They take revenge by ruining your reputation. Then they replace you with something or someone else. I have noticed they always have a group of fans or others supporting them. I am trying to isolate and recover from people who play me like this. Now I am being called a narcissist for trying to heal by myself. I care deeply for everyone, but have no boundaries and attract people who see my vulnerability for their own gain. I never was allowed to take care of myself. I believed it was my duty ,from family and religion, to sacrifice my life for others. I only just realized Jesus doesn't mean for us to be used and abused for others. He does, however, want us to forgive and move on. We are supposed to PUT GOD before anything or anyone else. He loves us unconditionally and we never stop disappointing Him. He just doesn't throw us away for it. Life is so full of profound lessons for all of us. We all act like children in one way or another at times. What causes that behavior has to be addressed within our inner self. Our Job in the Kingdom of God is to love and forgive everyone. Guard your heart while you are doing lest you end up sinning against people because you didn't do that.😢❤
Thank you for talking about this topic. Very much needed in the Christian community bc it affects many of us women. Thank you!
While I agree it is a medical diagnosis the problem is what narcissist will go to a Dr to be evaluated for a personality disorder. They'd have to first admit something is wrong which is something a true narcissist will never do.
20:00 - That's why prayer and spending time in the presence of God is imperative. Mirroring happens in His presence.
Thank you so much for the Christian perspective, it's comforting to know there's hope....Jesus will fill up the emptiness.
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God can only do what their will will allow. They have to want Him
I am still praying for my parents and sister who persist in these spirits. My brother may have been covert. He took his life in September 2018, the day before my daughter's birthday.
the Holy Spirit is indeed many-faceted. Our Lord God may explain if Tesla's perspective is genuine of God. He was exposed to believers as a child. Perhaps that's why free energy was free. As God's provision is free we are to freely give. Not to be confused with our wages for work. Any way you slice it we are to be joyful in our giving.
I love the way the Gospel works to reconcile all these issues in our humanity....
It's so good to hear Christians actually discussing this. For so long this issue was just swept under the rug and we were told to be forgiving, which to me felt like I was being told that the Narcs in my life had hard childhoods and so I needed to forgive and forget what they were doing to me and my children. It was used it shirk duties, excuse alcoholism and putting my babies lives at risk and it never should have happened in the name of patience and forgiveness.
I have had a few Narcs in my life and they were destructive though I've certainty heard of worse.
My grandpa and step dad got away with lying, adultery and stealing.
My MIL was a Covert narcissist who grew up with a very harsh mother but the family was well off. MIL was spoiled from what I can tell. She seemed like the Golden Child and she was beautiful in her youth. Sadly she ruined her looks with cigarettes and alcohol and I know she took excessive amounts of prescription drugs as well. She was jealous and sneaky and would do mean things to take others down a few notches if she thought they were out of their place and did things she was never able to do. She would pretend to be very drunk and yet she would lie in wait for the perfect time to strike. She was inhumanly fast especially for her age and she'd watch for the split second and scoop in and snatch up my babies and run off to stumble around nearly falling. The last time it happened she literally played drunken tug of war with my youngest baby when I tried to take my baby away from her. She had a death grip on my baby and was hanging down from me at a 45 degree angle. When I ran to get help MIL simply handed the baby to my husband and turned around and walked away like nothing happened.
It was so creepy. I think it was demonic.
Narcissism (extreme self love) is an anti-Christ spirit/mindset attached to someone through chronic lack of bonding/attachment and repeated states of extreme fear & shame.
Thank you DR SPOCK & others. Bottle feeding, self soothing (leaving your baby alone when crying). That’s the foundation then the home environment and culture reinforce. Severe neglect creates the narcissist & narcissistic culture. I grew up in church and it’s time for Christianity as a whole to step up and be what we preach.
Bottle feeding???
@@FreyaMac964 bottle feeding vs breastfeeding removes a level of physical bonding and affects gut micro biome which in turn causes all sorts of issues. For instance there’s a huge link between Autism and gut flora .
Childhood trauma creates a narcissist.
My husband passed away in 1996. I have had time to think & I have to admit that I never stopped loving him. When he left me with 3 small children. I tried hard to get him to come back. Later I realized that it was a mercy that our children didn't have to grow up in his household.
His childhood was very traumatic. His dad was sadistically abusive both emotionally & physically. His stepmom was emotionally unavailable. His mother ran away from his dad & left him. He didn't know where she was. No wonder he was so broken. That doesn't excuse him.
He got leukemia in 1994, I was his transportation to cancer treatments. We had a lot of time to talk. He didn't actually apologize but we talked alot & he said he realized he made my life harder. He really began to seek to know God. Finally he got some self awareness so late. He passed away in 1996.
They project their own thoughts, choices, actions onto you as well. The best way to know what a narcissistic type person is up to -- listen to what they accuse you of because they are doing it.
CORRECT!!! My husband does it allllllll the time
I wish God would set me free everytime I think I can move on from my 24 year marriage I fall right back into his trap, everytime. I never thought of myself as week or stupid, but I'm feeling like I am these days/ years. I know I've been under a lot of emotional abuse and it has really taken a toll on my soul.
You are Not alone-🙏✝️💪pray constantly Not to lose your spirit🥹🌹❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️I’m tired too🥲❣️
pray and leave!
I have NPD. You were talking about compassion with narcistic people. Thanks a lot for advice. Only God and human compassion can help us.
EMDR Therapy has been shown to be a highly efficacious treatment for NPD.
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@Martin Anderko
You are a narcissist and want to change?
Is this not contradictive in itself?
How can that be?
@@e.l.243 Maybe this person is low on the spectrum? My narc is not at all interested in changing!
Often yes, It's rare a person with NPD will a) sincerely seek diagnosis, b) answer evaluation honest, c) accept the truth, receive feedback, and exact change on purpose -- BUT some people, especially Believers who are seeking a way to be freed/forgiven/empowered by God, seek to be less selfish and DESIRE to change and be changed by the Holy Spirit.
@Martin Anderko, if you're doing this hard, humbling, courageous work, BIG KUDOS to you. You are an exception to the norm! May everyone be gentle with you, and may you be willing to be vulnerable and sincere to offer insight here to hurting one's who've been betrayed by NPD/Narctypes, so we can all better understand each other in love and grace!
@@EmDionneify Many thanks for your support. I appriciate it a lot.
I appreciate how Lisa is so humble. I have read a few of her books and knew her name for over 10 years. She is not really an average person. Yet, just as the Lord was humble she doesn't let her position go to her head. Its valuable to see as a young person and quite the wonderful example of being right sized in context of this video.
Thanks for watching, friend!
Joel Muddamalle had so much wisdom to share...Jim Cress also. Thanks for having them on your podcast.
Thank you for watching, Penny! We agree.
Recently found out I been married almost 9yrs to a covert narcissist and I'm a Empath. I finally put my foot down and we are finally separating. He has found a new supply at work and he hasn't moved out yet. She knows he married.... Smh I'm not even mad. I'm down 42lbs and he knows I'm done. I want my life back.
Good for you! That was exactly how I felt when I broke up with the narc, I got my life back! I kept thinking I was going to break down crying, and feel sad that he was gone. But I never did, I was happier and more at peace than I'd been in a long time.
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My brother walks on me yet wants me to clap fir him and I am exhausted. No more. He has anger, rage and fury issues and is demeaning with his words and actions. I cannot take it anymore so I have blocked him from all ways of communications. He never has said I am sorry or apologized, just keeps wanting the relationship to continue as if nothing has happened. I pray for him and I thank God that I have no unforguveness in my heart. God told me to let him suffer the consequences of his actions (reap what you sow). I am finally at peace, God has given me a time of rest so my heart can heal. Thank you for such an informative program.
Compassion for a narcissist is best served from a distance...of more than 300 miles. Boundaries and no contact are the only route to self preservation. Read Henry Cloud works on same subject.
Sadly, this is what I have found to be true. As a 56 year old woman, 3 years ago I had to break contact with my malignant narcissist mother. It breaks my heart, because I really want to have a relationship with her, but I finally had to realize that it will never be possible. I pray for her every day that she would turn to Jesus and be saved.
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I’ve been living w one for 20 yrs n I’m waiting for a miracle before year ends for him to be born again
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 nothing is impossible with God. God is changing my husband. Have hope. Keep trusting God and forgiving & loving.
Be led by the spirit of God. Sometimes we marry people in our flesh. If God is telling you to let go of this person and marriage then be led by His spirit. God do not want His children to live in misery. Let go and let God have His way. You can pray that your husband is saved and delivered when the spirit of God lead you to do so even if you all are not married.
@@mhba9047 Nothing is impossible with God, that is absolutely correct. But everyone's situation is not the same. I pray that she is led by the spirit of God above everything.
@@ladennayoung2939 i agree🙏🙏🙏
Good for you! 💕 May God grant you the desire of your heart - to see him saved. My husband said he was a Christian, but didn’t display good fruit. If he did something good for someone, he would continuously brag on himself and expect thanks and praise from that individual and everyone else, too. One of his favorite phrases was, “There’s a fine line between faith and foolishness.” He didn’t want to express faith in believing and waiting for things. Instead, he would bully people to get what he wanted or go out right away and provide things with his money.
this is the best on this toppic I heard so far. Realy to the root of it. Great !!
Thank you so very much for bringing this up. This makes sense, shame. I thought it was so much pride. It's really hard living with someone who just won't get help. I not sure how I can go on.
The problem is the True Narcissist believes they do not need helping but convince you that YOU are the one with the problem. They will pull you in and entangle you in their web of deceit and lies they want you to believe . It’s TOXIC and All you can do is manage the damage and pray for them and you yourself stay healthy and whole.
Charming. Need admiration. Yes yes. I've identified this in someone I encountered. I was told to get away from them by a friend who said this person was a sociopath from what they did to me. It's mind boggling. Thank you for your information.
I completely understand the deep shame and insecurity that the person I have to deal with that displays a lot of the signs of NPD -- and for a long time I did my best to show empathy, have patience, etc.. but the emotional abuse became too much and now I am wounded and broken, struggling..... it isn't practical to think we can stay close to these types of people
I understand. I tried so hard to be understanding and compassionate, to build him up and bless him, and I finally had to say, nothing I do will EVER be enough. Jesus is the only one who can minister to a wound like that, if he’ll ever truly turn to Him.
And I completely understand why you’re struggling! Dealing with this for so many years turned me into something I really didn’t want to be, and I’m really working hard to get free of that! I am so grateful for God’s faithfulness and where He is walking me now!
The person I was, before my rebirth in Christ, was very narcissistic, not sociopathic nor psychopathic, yet very narcissistic. I see there is a whole wide spectrum of being aware of this in self and in how others may mistreat us. I don't think we can say with certainty that someone will deal with such a condition for the rest of their life; a change of mind initiated and perpetuated by Truth can heal and establish a new security of mind, and I think a key resource such one needs is place(s) and person(s) both truthful and free of shame; a safe place to follow Truth to His healing.God bless in Yeshua (Jesus) name.
How is that possible, though? Narcissists neither want to be introspective nor intimate (in the sense of revealing their true selves).
I believe insolence is another word for narcissism in the Bible. Thank you for this excellent discussion.
You are only discussing one type of narcissism. What about the covert narcissist? Dr. Ramini identities seven types so it’s important to know that it’s not limited to grandiose narcissists who are the classical example.
Yes!!! These ones, especially cerebral coverts are the most pernicious in churches. Their false self masquerades perfectly as the "saved by grace super Christians". They're often the most loved, active, humble pillars of the church.
While the insignificant other has the perfect codependent storm to make sure she (usually female) never exposes or complains. She has her own perfect Christian narrative - if only you did 1Cor 13 better and had more of the fruit of the Spirit, and if only you weren't such a rotten selfish spouse and died to yourself, and prayed more, you would be able to endure more, all joyfully of course, and you would love him out of his sinfulness; but fear not the Lord is with you, and you can always make this whole "godly", submissive spouse your life mission.. No one has to know, and with time and practice, you would have died and lost yourself so much, not even you will.
Match made in hell.
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So true. I was the codependent married to the narcissist who the perfect Christian at church but a different man at home. He was raised up to an assistant pastor then fell into sin. I’ve seen time and time again the same thing with other people who look great and the church elevates them to leadership positions quickly. They are the wolf’s in sheep’s clothing. They leave devastation in their path.
@@Elethia441 True that happened to me I'm set free from that relationship
I love Dr Ramani. She's very informative
Awesome video and perspectives!! The three of you working together is so wonderful to listen to, so helpful and insightful :)
This is a perfect explanation of someone I know. Spot on why he acts the way he does.
So interesting, thank you! More like this please 😊
This is the most helpful video I've ever seen on narcissism. Thank you.
Thanks for watching, Kathleen!
This is great information! I love the description they give because they tell you what it is so then you can pray for them instead of be against them. If you or a loved one is experiencing these traits pray against them feeling that emptiness, pride, fear of abandonment, hurt/pain, self hatred and the lack of identity🙏
What an excellent video, for those of us who have been wounded by narcissists, I pray the their void gets healed and that they come to an understanding of their identity in Christ and how,He can fill the void in their life’s that they try to fill with worldly things. Amen.
There is so much in the Bible on narcissism. Shaneen Megji has a TH-cam channel on this very topic. Very enlightening.
This young man cuts through the mist to the Truth! If we carefully listen to and believe and act upon these words, they will set us free! In Christ, if any are set free in Him are free indeed!
Pray for them! Yes!
Not shame at all, Narcissists have no empathy and do not have a single thought about the feelings, safety or their responsibility toward others. Everything is about them and only them. They are not wounded, but rather have been spoiled by a doting mother who thinks her precious boy can do no wrong. They are often handsome and have been praised for their looks their whole life.
I agree...they know exactly what they are doing. When they come across people that allow to get stepped on the cycle keeps going. I know longer tolerate this behavior. I nip it in the bud immediately and if they have a problem with this..I simply walk away and I do not pitch a tent there...hoping I can change them!! Not going to happen!
I disagree, not ever narc has a doting mother. Narcissist are also made by neglectful parents too
I am glad you mentioned the excess praise I have a parent w this....and they grew up w excess praise are so different from my now deceased grandparents
@@allisonthomas3910 they can be w excessive praise
@@MTMN-ny4tx I agree. They also can be raised by neglectful parents
in love, would love to have seen Joel be given more opportunity to share and speak:) Thank you so much for covering this
Sometimes, I believe, we are misunderstanding peoples needs, then calling them narcissistic. My love language is words of affirmation and praise. My husbands is gifts then acts of service. Acts of service does not fill me up, words do. It’s hard for us to understand each other. Knowing love languages for my spouse and children has made a world of difference.
Best explanation of narcissism I've come across yet!
Off and On relationship for 30 yrs!! Recently we came in contact again! I drove 3 hrs to visit this man! Again, I feel in the trap!!
Lysa, you have such a great perspective and understanding of this topic. I wish that you would ask more questions of your guests then allow them to develop their thoughts as well.
Thankyou Lysa, Jim, and Joel. I appreciate that you have taken this topic on. What you are discussing so needs to be heard.
All of what you said describes how I functioned in the past and I was unaware that I was the cause of pain for my family and myself for most of my 50 years. i became aware my toxicity soon after being told the marriage was over and to leave.
It’s incredible what the cost of one persons sins is and the pain and loss others have to bear and will continue to experience because of the sins.
I still don’t understand love or empathy; as Jim said, maybe that will never come to pass. But I do hope to never cause pain or hardship to anyone again.
To those suffering in a relationship with a narcissist… I’m sorry for what you are going though. Please pray and ask and obey the Holy Spirits leading to protect your children and your heart; He is faithful to keep His promises to provide and never leave you as well as plan a bright future for you.
To those just becoming aware of your narcissistic condition. It’s worse than you think. Your only hope is to read the Word of God and pray for His Word to pierce you, revealing your sins and depravity, the obeying what is heard. This will seem Impossible yet it is the only thing that has brought me any peace in the past three years.
I could be wrong, but you don't talk like a narcissist, you are too self-aware.
There are other conditions that exhibit narcissism-like symptoms, like some forms of ADHD or being on autistic spectrum.
There is even such a thing as religious narcissism, caused by having been sheltered/isolated from the TV, media, books, outside information, social interactions, education, etc, while being excessively focused on religion.
It is actually a huge problem within the religious circles. This type of narcissism can be successfully managed, though, even greatly minimized. One needs to abandon the toxic environment and its associated worldview, habits and traditions.
@@ezbody That's a great point. And your words are encouraging. I cannot take credit for anything, the awareness is by the grace of God and so is the courage to stay in the life he saved and choose to endure the consequences of my sin and failure.
You seem to have experience with narcissism and it's management and I'd like to believe it can be managed or minimized for the sake of those in it and their loved ones. When you say abandon, would that be like the complete removal of everything in the persons life ( possibly even memories) so they literally have to start over... I recall the Meir Clinics can diagnosis and have a program like that for 24 hour medium term therapy. I thought about going there in 2020 but the pandemic closed the borders.
Did you know ADD and Narcissism overlap 60% of the time; just learned this today and it explains why I'm so confused every day now; I have no idea how I could have been a part of a functioning (albeit dysfunctional) family with all that happens and gets accomplished.
I was inspired to share a piece of what God has done in my story but refrained. Let me know if that's something you think could be shared here.
Wishing you peace and an endearing memory filled Remembrance/Veterans day.
Thank you for this video. I am married to someone that was diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He left our house and is with the woman he was cheating on me. I so much needed awareness to go through this very hard season of my life. I never left him because I was believed God had a big plan for his life. I cant wait for next video. Thank you
Please know we are praying for you in this hard season. We hope this series is encouraging and helpful
Hi Sister,
God has a big plan for your life as well.
Please look into Dr. Ramani’s videos. She’s done extensive work on narcissists and narcissistic abuse.
Take your time and listen. Let the Lord lead you and I pray that you walk in freedom. God bless you
This is an EXCELLENT video!!! Thank you for doing this. We'll explained and so very helpful.
Was just broken up with by my narcissistic ex. It hurts more than I can express and need help with healing.
GOD is good friend . HE loves you and will take care of you till the end ❤️❤️
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My siblings and other relatives have been so cruel to our family after our mother died. I had always thought my mother was a narcissist but when the funeral was being planned by my sister, I was lied to, lied about etc because I was not willing to be used and abused anymore. I pretty much lost all of my family because my sister turned everything around and made me the "enemy" All this sounds so ridiculous when I write it out. There is so much detail I can't write out here. I'm trying to give it all over to God, because I can't deal with this any longer. What I learned through all this mess is that I don't want to be the kind of person that treats people the way I have been treated, just to look good to other people.Please pray for me as I try to heal and forgive. That is the hardest part, forgiving without replaying the whole incident over and over in my mind.
How I wish I would have access to all this videos when I first became a Christian before I got married. It is so sad to see many Christian marriages fail because of Narcissistim.
Hi there, this particular subject has affected my life greatly! These 2 videos, truly blew me away! Is there a way that you could do a part 3 of this? I ,for one ;went through a very heartbreaking experience this past year...With a man, finding out that he has the women all over the world. Not one of them knew of the other. God brought this out, I KNOW that for sure. So many of the women who were so deeply affected, were so heartbroken, they have had to be in therapy for YEARS..I can’t even tell you the damage he has done..but I could very confidentially say this describes the situation so accurately is mind blowing. This all came out after the first of the year. And many of us are in need of healing. Obviously counseling is priority, which I do and many of the others...But this has been like a Lifetime movie. So so heartbreaking.
I wish there was someone who could help us all. We need each other to heal, and are all over the world wishing we had a support group! How do we heal? I would love to hear the 3 of you do a video about that because I think it would be really helpful!!🙏
I love your ministry and your heart,
My favorite!
Thank you so much for doing this, I am sooo grateful because there is such need for both of these professions!
Blessings ✝️🙏
I just want you to know that you are not alone. I have been going through the same thing. My husband sent me a text message telling me he wanted out the marriage and wouldn't talk to me for a week, I mean he wouldn't even acknowledge me. What made the situation even worse was my mom was in the hospital she nearly died and he didn't even care. Like clock work he wanted to sit down and talk and work things out and sure enough I feel for it but something just didn't seem right. Well sure enough I did my research and he was talking to another woman and it wasn't just some random woman it was someone from his past. I ended up leaving our home and coming to my moms house the verbal abuse became so bad and he saw that I wasn't controlled by him anymore so he started to attack our kids. So now he is begging me to come back bc he has changed but he refuses to do therapy. He declares he has changed but I know in my heart he hasn't. I will continue to keep you in my prayers. Stay prayed up and rooted in God's word!
jazzij85 Hi there, oh my goodness..I am soo sorry!!! Thank you so much for sharing🙏 I can’t imagine what that must feel like! I will be praying for you as well!!!! You did the right thing by leaving! Have you watched the other videos as well? About divorce and reconciliation? They are really really good!!! Awww bless your heart! You are in my prayers, I love Lysa Terkeurst..do you have any of her books???🙏❤️
@@yepyep6779 I would love support too and have been lead to create a family of survivors in Christ now that I have healed a lot & learned a lot from my relationship with my narc mother & husband. Support is always needed to stay healed and encourage one another. It helps so much to have support when going thru this from those who understand. Please if u would like to leave a way to get in touch like email or something then exchange numbers that be such a blessing for all these women.
Filed for divorce after 21 years and two affairs in the last year. They pull you in and beat you down. Highs are awesome, lows are unbearable but the comes another high, you hold onto that hoping the highs will eventually turn into continuum
There are highs?
I have an 83 yr old diagnosed Narcissist that has a shopping addiction and Never has drank, was unfaithful, and has never did any drugs nor pain meds after surgery--she never wanted to be out of control insuring that the mask wouldn't slip. She also Never used the cruise control on her car b/c she said she had to have control. Mine is a Covert Narcissist and as Deadly as a snake. She Always violates your boundaries and lies so easily with a spin move--mostly trying to change the subject and ask questions not pertinent to the conversation which causes confusion. When she enters the room, We feel like at any moment a grenade will roll into the room and we cant tell if it's a live grenade or Not. It's Hell. This is my Mother in law which we take care of. When her best friend died, she said Oh, she wasn't my friend. Never thankful, nor grateful--always the victim, never the villain. Her expectations are so high, she would expect us to light ourselves on fire just to keep her warm & then kick us b/c we burned up to quickly. Get Away from these people, they don't change b/c they cannot separate their personality from their narcissism. They will cause you to become sick. They are Lazy and Demanding. They Expect to be served like kings and Queens. They Never : say they are Sorry, yet, Never forgiving. Very Vengeful b/c they are very angry, and if you criticize them at all, they will immediately go straight to anger and passive aggressive behavior like putting lemon cleaner in the pot of soup and watch you sip it off a spoon. (totally happened to us) . We are stuck w/ her. Get Out While You Can. They will suck the life right out of you!
Very good. Thanks God Bless😉
This helps a lot. Thank you
Thank you for talking about this topic through a Christian lens. There is a reason you’re talking about it; narcissistic people are hurting us. I agree you should never tell a person they’re a narcissist. But the reason the percentage diagnosed with NPD is so low is because they don’t think anything is wrong with them. It’s the people around them in pain and discomfort.
Sounds like the narcissist is always working against himself in his efforts to work FOR himself. No wonder it leaves everyone else confused.
My mom is and I was sending my dad some videos explaining the disturb, and she opened his e-mail and saw it. She got unmasked and came to talk to me, and confront me as a good Narcissist does. Of course that was a accusation section from her, but I could calmly tell her that what she was trying to do was part of her disturb. Accusing me of being rebel ( yeap, I am the black sheep!) And trying to manipulate me into guilt and fear of the future, with what might be of my life in the future, saying she is going to die, saying that I am setting an example to my children. But the Holy Spirit kept repeating in my heart to tell her: Galatians 6:7 -Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. I felt so in peace, and once se was gone, I was happy, she wasn't able to flip my emotions. I am fine, and I know God is taking care of me, and of her.
We're praying for you today, friend!
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Brilliant! Thank you!
Yes and it fills many church systems there are people who get pleasure of tormenting controlling seen things & the predator look & the 😏 of pleasure smearing who they don't like or fear they may take there lime light
I have been married to a “covert” narcissist for 24 years. They are definitely harder to spot and to diagnose, but they are none the less destructive. It was actually GOD who gave him the diagnosis, and he jokingly shared it with me.
I began researching the topic and was amazed and grateful to GOD for helping me understand that the problem in our relationship was NOT me, as my husband always tried to make me believe.
I am glad to see in these comments that so many other women and getting understanding about the disorder and allowing GOD to heal them as well. ❤
I see an association with pride and NPD too
Absolutely.
No narcissist ever wonders if the problem might be them.
(I apologize if this is the wrong place to request this but I couldn't find a messaging area. So sorry!) May I request a show addressing sociopaths/antisocial personality disorder, please? For those who do not know, sociopaths are one step above the narcissistic personality disorder (as if it can get worse), and the very opposite of "antisocial." To me, the name "sociopath" is much more appropriate because these are very social individuals bc by being expert socializers they can lure people in to take anything and EVERYTHING they can from their prey (victim). Even taking from their own children - with zero guilt or remorse. Once done taking until nothing's left, they leave their victim severely abused in every way, stranded, broken, confused, broke, and twisted mentally feeling like it is all their own fault. The damage they leave behind is like an F5 tornado. Literally. Sociopaths are expert conmen. I have witnessed a sociopath con some very respectable, Godly men in a Holy Spirit-filled, life-giving, growing large church. The destruction sociopaths do to their own families/children is indescribable and sickening. And they do not stick around for the aftermath of all they have caused bc they've already moved on to the next person(s) they can victimize and devastate. I really believe the church doesn't talk about this very real evil running rampant today, deceiving good-intended, loving, trusting people of God, who are being beaten down by someone who promised to love them and they trusted to do so. Instead, sociopaths leave their victims sitting in severe verbal, emotional, and physical abuse with nowhere to turn bc nobody believes the "crazy" stories they have experienced. Only someone who has been abused by a sociopath and survived can truly understand. These victims need the church to turn to for urgent help. They need strong men and women of faith in the church who can relate and/or are trained specifically with this type of severe abuse occurring, and then take them in to start the long process of healing and restoring. Please help!
I am married to a narcissist and have been for 29 years. He claims he is a Christian, I’ve prayed for him for 29 years and still haven’t seen God change him. Any advice?
Hi Shauna. We're so sorry you're walking through this difficult season of marriage. While we certainly don't have all the answers to your question, we will commit to praying for you. If you'd like to seek help from a Christian counselor, we recommend the American Association of Christian Counselors at www.aacc.net/.
Same for me, only it was 17 years. I began to pray for deliverance for my kids and me. I prayed that either my husband would show signs of softening and change or that he would become hard like pharaoh. He never changed. Things only got worse. God provided and my kids and moved out. Since then, God has continued to provide, has given us more peace than we’ve known in years upon years, has helped my kids and I to mature and grow in our faith, and has brought us closer both to him and to each other.
Most experts on the subject will tell you not to expect any change. Personality disorders (spirituality aside) are very very difficult to crack. Unless they face consequences that cost them dearly, they may never wake up as they lack the function of insight among other important factors.
It's ok to leave.
In the faith community, lots of us stay because we think we are letting God down. At some point, you have to recognize that this isn't how your Heavenly Father would have His own child be treated. Nor is it how He would treat His Bride.
Marriage is NOT supposed to be martyrdom.
I can relate, it doesn't change just my response I can change.
Abuse is abuse.
Any suggestions on avoiding a narcissist relationship? How to tell if they are a narcissist before becoming involved with them?
@pam gamble It can be very tricky, because they are such good actors! Even as experienced as I was with narcissists, I accidentally got involved with one a few years ago. It took me 4 months to feel like something was off, and another 5 months before I finally broke up with him.
There are some red flags, but I would say the #1 thing is: trust your gut! If you feel like something is wrong, it is. Pay attention to how you feel when you interact with them. Do you often feel confused after a conversation? They love to throw you off balance with sarcastic, sideways comments. You think you've just been insulted, but they say it in such a way that you doubt yourself.
Confusion is of the devil! This will be my #1 red flag going forward.
I need guidance on how not to hate such a person.
Great topic guys, I do not want to be spiritual ,but the Holy Spirit tell me, that I am married to a NPD,after try to figure out this man for 40years,,,l love him so much,but he drain my energy,I researched all biblical information,to have understanding,I realised it's nothing to do with me,because I try to fix him,for years,,,,,we are separated for 10yrars now
I am a covert narcissist. Looking back at my past and even now, it makes so much sense. I'm not sure if it's helpful to identify yourself with reductive labels of modern psychology, but nevertheless the symptoms of extreme insecurity, unstable identity, envy and intense shame persist and affect every aspect of my life, my faith and the way I treat others. Sometimes the voice in your head tells you you're too far gone. I know I need to turn to Christ but it's as if my ego, as fragile as it is, is preventing me from humbling myself to God because I feel hopelessly irredeemable. Please pray for narcissists. I cannot change on my own. But it feels like everything I do is self-motivated and I fear that I'm just turning to Him and the church for narcissistic supply. I also highly suspect myself of committing Hebrews 6 sin of apostasy. I obviously can't change on my own, or with a secular psychologist, but it feels like God may have also given up on me, which I don't blame. Or maybe am I just projecting? I know lots of idle talk my mind just isn't thinking straight.
I’m being accused of being a narcissist I went before God on prayer to ask him if it was true. I questioned myself .
Seek professional help so that you don't hold on to it if your accuser was malicious but get the much needed help if you are one.
I feel there is a spiritual component with narcissists as we fight not against flesh and blood, so I am wondering how things might change if we think of going up against spiritual powers in the high places when we are dealing with narcissists. Many of them are extremely cunning, and it is impossible to reason with them. Isn't it possible for narcissists to be possessed or at least influenced by evil spirits just as Christians can have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?
It's a mental disorder.
yes
They are definitely possessed by evil spirits.
I’m definitely married to a narcissist. He Is verbally abusive to me he charmed me in the beginning and was sooo nice keep in mind he’s an ex body builder who is in love w himself and he loves women in general . After we were married he was still talking to other women etc which I found out later after seeing phone bills and nothing is ever his fault it’s always mine or someone else’s , he never takes the blame for anything .
We're praying for you today, Misty!
Me toooooooooo-it’s exhausting 😢😣
What can be done to heal from narcissism
Is it really possible for a narc to accept Jesus? It requires admission of being a sinner and in need of a Savior. My narc accepted Jesus and was baptized to manipulate me back into the marriage. I confronted him on this and he said he did do that. He is a false believer and wants people to think he is something he is not. I know God can change people but He will also be silent when they are not authentic and true.
Don't forget the "false prophets"
my ex did that get baptised and then got even worse ands saw ghosts
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I know of someone who’s mother created the wound by having a very intimate adulteress relationship and conversation with their pastor right in front of the child with no regard to the child’s emotional feelings at all. It was normal for her to steal and lie and be active on the mother’s board of the church displaying dual personalities (good mother/bad mother). I’m praying for deliverance because it was done to this person as a child.
Thank you for sharing. We're praying for your friend right now.
Yes don't always blow the fact your that your hurt or bothered from one situation or another
I was hoping to hear a bit more from the experts
Thank you for the shame part.
That can't be explained to them. The wouldn't accept it they would deny it.
But their shame destroys marriages, children and families for generations. When it is an entire family, and most all of the time addictions go hand in hand with this the family is a pack of wolves A CULT who helps damage others relationships
As someone who has trained in the mental health field,. narcissists will very RARELY get a diagnosis, because most who actually have the disorder or are on the spectrum of it will not go get help because they think they do not have a problem. We have to be able to recognize what we are dealing with whether the person goes to get help or not, so I am not sure what I think about your statement at the beginning of this video, because you are going to cause people to stay confused in narcissistic abuse not having any idea what to do. That's just as dangerous as someone calling everyone around them a narcissist for little things. The best thing to do is to educate one's self to understand what it is. My mom refuses to go get help, and I have been abused by her for years and only cut things off when she started firing that abuse at my husband and kids, and some of it would be clinically seen as sociopathic behavior. I got therapy, and it is OKAY to recognize narcissism whether it is diagnosed or not. If we don't, we would keep getting sucked in. That's not okay.
Overt narcissism is talked about a lot but covert narcissism doesn't get a lot of attention. There are a lot of addicts who are covert.
Interesting that narcissism is a result of deep shame. Are there recommended resources addressing deep shame? I suspect those on the receiving end of narcissistic behaviors also carry deep shame. Thank you.
Praying our Heavenly Father give the means to build homes for woman who feel they are in danger of the malicious narcissist man.
These homes could bring these women in distress together and allow them to pray and heal without the stress of having to have a high cost of living.
If these women all come together their overhead would be far less than living alone.
I know what this looks and feels like from empath's view.
It is excruciating pain and they like to keep you in a state of grieving.
In my case it is my own adult daughter who is the malicious narrcissist.
I have taken daily care of my grandson daily for 7 yr now.
He seeks the Lord and loves to pray.
My daughter tells him there is no God.
She now will not allow my husband or myself see our grandson or speak with him.
My husband feels my daughter as a single mother did not want the job of raising our grandson and now that our grandson is 7 yrs old and my daughter no longer needs us and will use our grsndson as her supply. I left her father when she was 2 because he was a malicious narcissist.
She is abusive deeply emotionally my grandson was just starting to share this with my husband and I.
She knew I knew.
She threatens us with police and has begun her smear campaign.
She has told me she is going to move and that my grandson is her prisoner.
I pray for protection of my grandson's heart, mind and soul.
Same prayer for my daughter.
I know how that feels because I have been her father's prisoner and hers.
Pray, pray, pray my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. Grateful to you all.
Not my will but thine be done Heavenly Father.
In Jesus name by the shed blood of Jesus
Amen
Has anyone tried to leave a narcissist but ended up right back in the relationship? Do you find it hard to leave?
Narcissism is a mental disorder and may not have anything to do with the parent mirroring or not. My ex-husband had a loving upbringing and his brother and sister do not have this disorder. My son is also a narcissist. I wonder how much can be attributed to hereditary factors
Thanks for watching, Kelly!
I wonder this same thing! My ex husband is a narcissist. We divorced when my daughter was 5 or 6. She is 32 now, and a narcissist also. I loved her unconditionally growing up, yet i am the one she lashes out at and has now cut off communication with. She has a 6 year old daughter that i kept for 5 years and am now not allowed to see. The heartache is unbearable sometimes. If the narcissist feels shame, i wish there was a way to comfort them, but they wont let you!
I was dating someone like that, I found out afterI broke up with him that he has it. Thing is, he has Narcissistic, sex addicted, cheating.
How do I find a counselor like this to help me work through this?
Hi Bella! We recommend starting with the AACC's website - aacc.net. They have a list of Christian counselors you can search based on where you live.