Most Units Destroyed EVER?! StarCraft 2 Finals
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- StarCraft 2 Tournament 2024 - ESL SC2 Masters Cup Finals - Reynor throws EVERYTHING at Clem in this epic Terran vs Zerg slugfest finals. Possibly the most resources lost per minute in SC2 history!
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One of the games of this series (no spoilers), has an average of ~4,200 resources lost PER MINUTE. That is 3+ fully mining bases of income. This is the most I have ever seen - I don't know if it's a record in SC2, but it is more than Serral vs Clem at Dreamhack (which was ~4,000/min, I checked) - and any other game in recent memory.
My voice was gone after casting this series, idk how they keep up this level of action while actually playing.
Amazing. Wild game !
Thanks for the awesome cast !!
Epic
thank you winter
It's even better: even including the seconds after the observers leave we get 61 617 + 46 513 = 108 130 resources lost total, over 23.75 minutes, which gives an average of a bit over 4550 resources lost per minute. Insane stuff.
09:53 can we please talk about this god damn widow mine dodging the corrosive biles like a dozen times
Clem is doing that while microing a second army on Reynor' side of the map, so ridiculously good, his multitask is insane
I love the widow mine unburrow speed buff for exactly this reason. This is a step in the direction it needs to go in a the redesign it desperately needs, akin to the cyclone one. As it is in this patch, they literally just buffed the most broken unit in the entire game.
Game 3 Reynor attacked his own overlord (41:14) and his own hatch (44:13) . He was NERVOUSSSSSSSSS!!!
winter, been following you ever since I've found you stream on team liquid website about 12 years ago. thank you for all the great content!
Thank you to all the Zergs that complain about widow mines. I started playing widow mines instead of tanks and its really helped my winrate. I like to go double or triple reactor factory and just pump them all game. Feels good
I mean the devs really wanted it to be IMBA for some reason, it kinda killed the game, but I can’t fault you for using what you’ve got
Next: Reynor discovers that he plays better with Terran than with Zerg and Protoss and he becomes no.1 Terran.
Having followed off and on for the better part of five years it's awesome to see Clem do so well in recent times, he's got a great personality on top of being an outstanding player.
I saw Clem at a grocery store in Lyon yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Spoiler for game 2
Reynor played that entire game without getting Groove Spines for his hydras. A potentially game losing mistake considering how close many of the fights were.
I was wondering why his armies seemed just not quite have the OOMPH I was expecting. I actually think that was a big deal, and that game was close as hell. It probably did cost him the game.
That really seems like it would have made the difference!
A keen eye for noticing
31:18 Revenge for all those poor zerglings that died to widow mines!
The best way to wake up on a Saturday is to a game of my favourite SC players! Thanks winter
Clem kept the reaper alive for 11 minutes. And on top of that, he even microed the reaper at 10 minute mark against a dozen roaches and grenaded them so reaper could get away.
As my brothers from across the pond would say "jolly good show lads."
Reynor is practicing 1v5 (archon mode) against terran gms for this match up
before watching this game, so not spoiling, but as a zerg fan boy, i am just blown away by how effective clem has been lately. he is surely one of the best in the scene right now. now to watch this banger
widow mines are pretty good aye. Nerfed banelings but left widow mines 1 shotting 26 units at a time
It takes sooo much skill to burrow widow mines, incredible his ability to build 3 at a time...
@@yugonostalgia8961I hate widows too, but just the other day he squished serral with cyclones?? I'm not happy about it, I am a zerg player, I always cheer for the zerg, widow mines need a fix, but clem is good and it's nice to see some tvz
@@Whitepikman Yeah, his game with Cyclones against serral and game 5 here were great - congrats to Clem for excellent play threre. But that's the vast minority of his games, most of the times he burrows widow mines and gets an easy win off of them, like game 2 in this cast. If widow mines were straight up removed, TvZ would be a far more fun and interesting matchup
Holy shit. Two of the most micro intensive players in the game. This is going to be insane!
If it could be voiced, the zergling is waiting there, "Meh heh heh, here he comes." - 21:58
Exciting series! What level of play!
These two are probably my favorite 2 to watch. They’re both just so insanely aggressive it’s just a slaughter the whole series, love it every time.
Jimmy is such a hard worker he never misses a cast!
That widow mine hit on the medivacs is the closest widow mines have ever been to fair and balanced.
oh my goodness those widow mines @ the 22 min mark ...
Clem's game 5 in true French style "On Ne Passe Pas"
Thanks for casting and making day a little bit better. Making the day almost bearable
Everyone one needs to watch 21:55 . I dont have the words for how much that hurt.
Great series!
Thanks!
17:15 what do you bake 😂
Game 2 was such a beautiful game, the in depth defense by Clem was a beauty
This gon' be good!
I saw these games on Pig's cast but they were so good that I had to watch them again, plus as a tradition of watching all your videos
Possible spoiler
I think that Reynor's brain fried by the end.
OMG... that comeback in game 2 by clem... what a god! i swear i thought he was done for especially with reynor so perfectly turning all those widow mines into traitor mines. how did clem pull that off?!
Maru released his power to the young one in second game
You are an excellent announcer. Love watching your content.
Holy crap these guys are so good
Jackfrost is a staple character and mascot of the shin megami tensei series
Clem has overcomed Maru.
Thank You
Om nom nom
Keep it up winter!
what a game 5
On game two, Kiddo has two monitor, 4 eyes, 2 keyboard and 6 arms. How on earth he can defend that continous swarm push.
Omfg GG
Can't help but like every time. Have to keep the streak alive. God forbid winter doesn't cast another series.
Clem is a monster!
Clem vs. Reynor O.O I'm in.
Will like for PiP technology
No witnesses! 😂
no words just jimmy!
What "ESL Masters Cup" is this from???
EDIT: i just checked, its from ESL Open Cup #209 Americas
certified byun games
the second game... jesus
What’s the diamond mean in the card?
INSANE! Semi-Spoiler below.
704 Zerglings and
84 Baneling. LMAO!!!
Maybe try to cast even older matches that'll get people excited
NO WHITNESSES lol
CLEM MAH BOIIIIIIIIIII
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Guys! We need that PiP technology. PLZ like this vid!
22:00 is a literal Russian army moment
😮😮😮😮😮
1, 2, 3, 4. Lets go 5?
There is something so immensely satisfying about seeing a Zerg just plain overwhelm a Terran and squash all their damn cheap escape routes with no where left to go 🤣
And at the end still lose to a terran 😂
Terran finally completed its face to heel turn after more and more of its “actually I don’t want to play rts” mechanics got revealed after the EMP buff. (Structures immune to ground units, free workers, maphack, micro-less AoE)
A brokem jaw ends most fights
@@laureloneiros1500they need those tools because they're addicted to spending 80% apm on marines
Lots of tears in this thread
Like for picture in picture :D
Lurkers over rated why no fungal against bio army? Raynor got like no value from the lurkers.. What do I know
Great series, Clem is clearly very talented, but this was just watching Reynor outplay him in all the little individual ways that should have lead to a decisive victory. That game 2 was just so sad. This is my new go-to in demonstrating how bad the decision to nerf banes while buffing mines was. You watch Reynor just straight-up outplay Clem at his own style with game-ending momentum over and over, but fizzle because banes don't fulfill their role any more in lategame ZvT. The whole time mines just ruining Reynor's reinforcements for 0 APM, as you explain @30:26. From Clem, though, some of these fights are an awesome example of how the new widow mine buff could lead to interesting gameplay in repositioning them mid-fight, if they were to be redesigned into that role, rather than just the broadly-powerful game-breaking unit they are today.
Now that banes are finally balanced, the game became more interesting and Clem’s talent finally shines to its full potential.
Raynor played a great serie but Clem was simply the better player.
@@burgerman1234567 Why do you think that? The problem with banes still present-- they can still just as easily delete an entire worker line if you're not paying attention. But their role in TvZ has been botched --they're now countered by marines, the unit they're supposed to counter.
@@burgerman1234567go back to call of duty
@@burgerman1234567 "The better player" you mean he burrowed some widow mines. That's all he did game 2 to slaughter so many units with no APM required
I do agree that the baneling nerf was a good idea tho, it's made PvZ much more interesting
@@yugonostalgia8961”thats all he did” says the metal league zerg that has no clue what hes watching. Download a clem POV replay and try not to throw up by the end of it.
21:58 the biggest Widow Mine disaster since that Stephano game so long ago. That felt so good. Even though I usually root for Terran, Mines are just horrible units.
I’m just glad it’s not a dark game
Clem and his 'incredible' ability to *checks notes* build widow mines and let them kill ten times their cost in enemy units
Worst unit in Starcraft history bar none
A static unit that has a short range and can friendly fire is not a problem.
@@burgerman1234567 Short range? the detection range is about that of a roach, and it can hit units far further away once it locks on. The FF doesn't make it not horribly broken and OP - suicidally running overlords or pheonixes to trigger them is at best a gamble. And unit suicides cost resources, widow mine missles don't.
Plus mines are so good you don't have to have them in your army, scatter them through the map and they'll do plenty of damage w/o any FF risk
I don't know what it is, but watching clem win these games (sometimes decisively) against zerg doesn't feel especially satisfying, it feels mostly like he's abusing how strong T always was and that Z now has a really hard time fighting mass marines because zerglings cannot fight and banes can be sniped. Clem's bane sniping is impressive in its consistency, but it doesn't feel like Z can do anything there, especially with the constant threat of losing 10+ banes to an unlucky widowmine hit.
Maybe it's just that reynor doesn't play well enough, but the other stuff clem does is not insanely impressive, like he loses entire mineral lines to 4 banes or a ling runby, wins one game by just juggling medivacs between third and main... For me it's always been a pleasure to watch serral for how well he does about everything but specifically scouting, that's just lacking in these games.
It's not Terran it's just widow mines. Incredibly broken on every single level
@@yugonostalgia8961 Widow mines didn't receive a change in like 2 years or so. I don't think they can be made responsible alone, especially since serral in particular and other zergs too have picked up some very good techniques to minimize the splash damage by mines that weren't really played in the past like that.
@@asdfasdf-mn8iu Widow mines didn't change, but the game around them changed and made them much more effective because of the cascading effects of the changes.
The reality is now that Terrans are not the old "Turtle until Ghost" Terrans of years ago, and now Terrans with APM similar to top Zerg get a huge advantage simply because they have the single best static defense in the game on top of their increased mobility. Being able to force the enemy to have to micro intensely against a one shot static defense before combat is a huge advantage in any fight. Not to mention that defense is a lot less static than it used to be. They are a unit from the last era of SC2 that desperately need a rework to fit into what the game is now.
@@asdfasdf-mn8iu What do you mean they haven't had a change in years?? Every single one of the last three balance patches has buffed widow mines. Their burrow speed, targeting AI, unborrow speed, permacloaking with Armory, it's been nothing but buffs
Suiciding units that cost resources into the cheapest splash damage in the game is "minimizing," yes, but it's not remotely a reliable or fair way to play. Imagine if storm did all of its damage in the first .3 seconds of striking - you couldn't heal through it or micro away, and everyone would acknowlege it's broken AF - but when widow mines do it people crawl out of the woodwork to defend it.
Hell, when Fungal Growth did 30 damage that was considered to extreme and nerfed to 25 a few months ago, widow mines do a casual 40 instant aoe...
@@yugonostalgia8961 Widow mine unburrow speed was buffed last patch, which is rarely really affecting the games. Targeting AI has never been touched and I wouldn't really know what to buff about it, they just target the closest unit, that's absolute standard for every unit in the game. Burrow speed was nerfed a few patches back, it has not been buffed since start of legacy of the void. Permacloaking with armory was somewhat of a revert of a nerf from before. Inititally, widow mines were always perma-cloaked without any upgrades. They moved that to drilling claws and then moved that to armory - that's somewhat of a buff, but imo not really that much, since it just takes some load off of drilling claws, which is good imo. So all in all, widow mines have received buffs and nerfs in the past few patches, with perma-cloak being moved from drilling claws to armory being in 2020 - the widow mines has almost been untouched for years.
Widow mines are not the cheapest splash damage, that would be banes (50/25 vs. 75/25). If storm had 5 range and did 40 damage in 1.07 seconds of the HT standing still and targeting an area, it would be quite useless and not see too much play, because HT are too expensive and not cloaked.
The widowmine is in a place in between the bane (lots of instant splash, but melee range) and storm/colossus/whatever other splash at high ranges. It has not a lot of range and needs targeting time, so it deals its damage instantly in exchange. I do agree that due to their punishing nature and them being cloaked they are not a very good addition to the game, but please don't try to paint them as the root of all evil by just lying about them.
Fungal nerf was absolutely uncalled for. If anything, it should've been buffed, since it's rarely ever used for its damage and mostly for its slowing purposes. With 30 -> 25 dmg on fungal, it also does not 2-shot marines and does not 3-shot interceptors anymore, which is mind-boggling to me to do that on top of the bane and lurker nerfs.
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1234 finallly
Zerg is op
Get your eyes checked
I have been watching you for a long time. I am pretty sure that I watched your first sc2 cast. I will watch you for your last cast, God willing. The only thing that makes me crazy is ...... your a zero, come on dude just say it. I'm Terran. I think your great. But your a Zerg. I wish you would just say it. Wardi is Terran. Anyway I wish you could teach a class on casting Sc2, the other guys make me want to throw shot. Thank you for all your time.
He plays random primarily. But he has also stated multiple times in other casts that he started off as a Zerg.
It's a fair complaint about Widow Mines because they are dumb. The thing the Zerg hivemind will overlook is how dumb Vipers and Infestors are, too. Both races have dumb, broken shit.
@@elgar7252 I don't think they necessarily overlook it as much as they counter it takes so much more effort to get that stupid value from Vipers and Infestors or even to produce them than it does for Terran to make Widow Mines.
why does clem never want to micro his mines?
Zerglings runbys are just pathetic. Imagine a 15 marines runnung by. Oh, wait...
Clem is still inferior to Reynor.
Terrans need no hands to be played
Holy what the fuck?? What kind of hot take is this?
byuN LITERALLY had to forfeit a game against Solar because his WRISTS are almost destroyed after playing Terran for so many years.
When Clem's abusive OP widow mine cheese doesn't work he gets folded like a lawn chair. gimmick terran. Literally every game widow mine spam then transitioning into overpowered liberator play every single game.
WAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!! WAHHHHH!!!!
@@kaiser2261 another low silver terran detected
@@villz1267 i can tell youre high silver based on that comment 😂
@@kaiser2261 I dont play thats why i dont have mental impairment and obvious bias like u
@@villz1267 LOL please point out my bias. I literally just said you're crying.
Jesus, I hate widow mines so much. Such a stupid, skill-less unit. I absolutely detest all terrans who use them - unfortunately, that includes Clem. All his victories as of late are carried by the patch that heavily nerfed Z + gave T new toys in the new cyclone. The difference between him and Maru, Buyn, etc, is that he abuses widow mines to the max, every single match. He's aslo pretty much the only one who consistently uses WM drops against Z. I hate to be saying this, but I don't feel like Clem's recent victories are fully deserved, unlike his previous accomplishments.
Agreed! Extremely undeserved. I love seeing Byun win, with incredible marine micro, or GuMiho with awesome mech plays. Seeing Clem win over and over is just "oh, he built widow mines, and they won the game for him" everytime. Embarrassing play from Clem
I forgot how boring Terran is to watch
That bane nerf made terrans even more lazy with their compositions, marines on stim don't even have to split for massive amounts of banes and the shear skill of the 3 top zergs still giving them a run for their money