did you pick up that the benegeseret faked the prophecy and he is not a god. He is in fact the bad guy of the story and Dune is a warning against following charismatic leaders.
The Harkonen planet has a black sun which is all UV light basically. It is why they are bald and pale and why it looked black and white. Those were not flashbacks, it was noon.
Truthsayers can tell when someone is lying, but not when someone is just wrong. The Harkonnens genuinely believed Muad'Dib had been killed in Feyd-Rautha's purge of the north.
Stilgar is the best hypeman!! Javier playing a character who is so wholesome and earnest at all times yet equally hilarious is a testament to his tremendous talent...
His character was not entirely dissimilar to Anthony Quinn's character (Auda Abu Tayi) in LAWRENCE OF ARABIA. I felt Javier was channeling him at times.
@@axebeard6085 in the books its an evolution that takes place over years. Its unfortunate that the change in the span of time makes it harder to convey these kinds of things in the movie. Aside from paul literally just saying it.
@@Leonhart_93 No he also thinks it made Stilgar lesser. He regrets both the price and the outcome. He hates every aspect of it. He hates that knowing the future means you're trapped by it.
It also serves to hide his birth name: Paul Atraties. But yeah, Muadib is his "public" name. So, of course, the Harkonen (& whatever spy/ intelligence network they employ) would learn THAT name! Which only serves to HELP Paul.
The Harkonen planet (Geidi Prime) scenes were not flashbacks. Their planet orbits a black sun which gives off infrared light, making everything look black and white. Fun fact: they built special cameras to actually film those scenes in infrared, which is super cool. Also that snakussy is the forbidden fleshlight.
I'm always surprised with how well Chalamet acted in this one, with such a small physique he managed to make us see him as a fierce and scary warrior. He has a real scary presence by the end. Usually they take the easy route by casting a big buff guy.
He was perfect casting for the role. Chalamet's performance is what I imagined Paul from the book as being. In the books, Paul is kind of a meek figure in the beginning but could command a room towards the end. The man has an epic set of lungs in him.
Everything in this movie was dialed to 11. The sound, visuals, acting, story, editing and pacing. Insanely well done. Can’t wait for Dune Messiah to come out
And some how it was still boring after…it’s like I’m being pranked no way people like this. I dint have a short attention by any means and slow paced movies can be hood if they build properly but this dragged …so mind boggling boring I feel people are lying when they say they like it. Part 1 was worst
I agree with everything besides the pacing. I thought the pacing was really bad, lots of time skips and jumps, and as someone who hasnt read the books it was sometimes confusing to keep up with. Great movie all around, but terrible pacing
This movie dragged on for two hours before finally waking up only to skip and change most of the ending. This and the first movie could’ve easily been edited into one three-hour movie with better editing and pacing.
The Seven Pillars of Wisdom was published in 1926, written by T.E. Lawrence, and is his memoir of his time spent in Arabia. The film Lawrence of Arabia is the adaptation of that book. It is Lawrence's book that partially inspired Frank Herbert, the author of the Dune books, in the 1960's.
Remember Paul said that Chani "would come to understand. I have seen it.". In the moment, she was traumatized, but Paul knows it will be okay in the end.
Yeah, sadly because they shortened the timeline they never had Jessica and Chani come to terms with each other nor Chani come to terms with Paul's position in the imperium and the necessity of an alliance through marriage.
17:35 When Jessica says "All of us" in the voice, she's not talking about her and Alia. She's also talking about the centuries of Reverend Mothers who live within her. Saying that she has the memories of those Reverend Mothers is a little misleading. Those memories come with personalities. They have their own motivations, desires, grievances, etc. It's not that those people are actually living in her mind. Its closer to dissociative identity disorder, and a Reverend Mother has to maintain a balance between her own personality and those of the dead Reverend Mothers.
It's been a while since I read Frank's books. I have a recollection that they implied the reverend mothers' concern over the "abomination" of the pre-born being exposed to that was that they hadn't the time to develop their own ego and sense of self before the ritual. They haven't been prepared to keep clear lines between themselves and the influence of their ancestral memories. I imagine something like that might make someone vulnerable to a whole new volume of DSM disorders.
in this universe .. the Royals have Wives and concubines often at the same time.. Pauls mother was a concubine,, Paul wiil marry the emperors daughter for the position of power but keep Chani as the one he loves. This is not the way with the Freman.. it will take time for her
Chani's reaction is a deviation from the book, in which she understands Paul's motives from the outset and they remain devoted to each other. But I think it was smart of Villeneuve to change that. Chani's distress at Paul's decision to marry Irulan makes his transformation feel even more dramatic, and also sets up an interesting storyline for the next movie where he'll have to figure out how to win her back.
@@klass_1221 In the movie. In the book, Irulan lives in a separate section of the palace, and Paul almost never sees her; she's more like a hostage than a wife/family member. He never shares a single kiss with her let alone has a child with her. Chani stays his beloved in the books. I'm curious to see how they continue their relationship in the next movie, because their children are integral to the plot.
@@klass_1221 Once she learns what this marriage actually means for Irulan, and how Paul sees it and her... She'll come around to the idea. Remember what Gurney said in part one? "A hostage! I love it."
Paul doesn't foresee the attack on Sietch Tabr because people with foresight can't properly "see" other people with foresight. Feyd-Rautha has much of the same bloodline and is another possible Kwisatzch Haderach. His foresight isn't anywhere near Paul's, as he isn't trained, but he has a little, and it blocked Paul's visions.
The reason why the Harkonnens knew about "Muad'ib" was that this was the name they knew was responsible for a whole string of attacks against them. There are several months, nearly a year or more, that passes in the middle of the movie. They did not however know that "Muad'ib" = "Paul Atreides" - he was just a shadow until the end.
Great reaction. Just to let you know. In the Book. Chani was at Paul's side at the end. She knew the Politics of the Empire and knew she would always be Paul's love. In fact, the last line of the book is Jessica telling Chani that History will call them "wives". Denis just added a little drama and a cliffhanger to the movie. Jessica was never married to Leto. But their love was forever. She got her revenge on those responsible for Leto's death. She changed the Universe forever.
@@user-jz8ow3xv8tYes, interesting that she shouted 'sweeet' when the Fremen massacred the Harkonnen in the streets from Ornithopters and burned them- exactly the same pictures shown when the Harkonnen did that to the Atreides. And Paul, who is butchering the baron without a trace of humanity is a mirror image of Fehyd, even shot by shot. I guess propaganda can work even when it's a film 'about' propaganda.
18:00 "They already know his secret name?" Paul's secret Fremen name in Stilgar's tribe is "Usul". No one outside of Stilgar's tribe is to be told this name. Muad'Dib is the name Paul is known amongst all Fremen tribes. The Harkonnens know the name "Muad'Dib" because the Fremen fighters are shouting his name in combat. As I recall, there's a scene in the book where Rabban is talking about the Fremen are crying out Muad'Dib as they fall on Harkonnen blades to give other Fremen an opportunity to attack that Fremen. Calling Fremen "fanatical" is a bit of an understatement.
20:30 The cool thing about the Harkonnen arena scene is that it was shot using infrared cameras. The transition from normal color when they are indoors to infrared as they move into the sunlight is subtle but amazing.
Seeing his interviews, gushing about the source material early on, plus his treatment of BR2049, I knew this was going to be a great adaption. Esp after seeing the butchery of so many IPs of late.
re: the last guy in the arena scene. That character did appear in Dune 1, but he only had 1 line and was mainly just in the background. But he's played by Roger Yuan, and has had fights with Jackie Chan (Shanghai Noon), Mel Gibson (Lethal Weapon 4) and Keanu Reeves (John Wick 3 in the weapons museum), among others. I actually rewatched the first film a week before I saw the sequel and recognized Roger, and was surprised that his role was so small. But they were just setting him up so that he could pull of this epic arena fight in the sequel.
My confirmation that Villeneuve had nailed the adaption for non book readers was people squirming in their seats at this scene and speech. Beware the charismatic leader
The problem is in dune there are no heroes like we would define them. Leto 2 for example becomes in the book a 4000 year old dictator who does genocide experiments in human breeding a total monster. Also he becomes a person who is in pain for 4000 years. Has no love or real friends, and in the end lets himself assassinated to save and free humanity from itself. Much like dr huey a misunderstood character. Do not get me wrong the new movies are great except the change at the end, much prefer a 3 year old alia killing the baron, such a pathetic scene for him. But yeah the books are much to complex for a movie. Would prefer a series like scifi did once with dune. But i think we wont ever get godemperor of dune. 3 hours movie about a poetic selfloathing dictator and one big monolog. Never gets on the screen.😢😢😢
There is no Lisan Al Gaib. It's just a story, invented to cover for the Bene Gesserit, that Paul and Jessica manipulate with their Bene Gesserit skills. The Kwizatz Hadderach is a thing, but Paul was not supposed to be the One because Jessica was supposed to birth a female, and it's pretty clear the Bene Gesserit don't really understand the full implications, at least in this telling.
Can we really say the Kwizatz Hadderach is any more or less of a thing than the Lisan Al Gaib? The KH is essentially an almost religious figure and myth for the BG, a goal that the sisters just came up with and attempted to see to fruition over 10,000 years. Just as they planted superstition and myth on other worlds, they made one for themselves. The way I see it, Paul really is as much the Lisan Al Gaib as he is the Kwizatz Hadderach.
Yet they physically created him. By pushing natural real human abilities. Frankly millennia if breeding and training could produce results not so far from this fantasy. Already know human feats are a step on that path
@@Bottlekap You are right, in the minds of the BG the KH is a religious figure. That is my point about them not entirely understanding the implications of their breeding campaign. They think it will give them wisdom and power, because that is their faith, but its not clear from Paul's example that it will provide either, or which end is really their priority. The prophecy of the Lisan Al Gaib is a complete fabrication invented by the BG for cover. Surviving the water of life, reducing biological activity, being wakened by Desert Spring tears, those are things advanced BG can do. They use those skills, symbolism that they planted, and the hopes of the Fremen to sell a magical story they can manipulate to protect BG if they get trapped on Arrakis. It's profoundly cynical and manipulative. Paul is is deeply torn about whether to use the prophecy because he knows it's a lie that can be very destructive given the seductive power of faith, and he actually cares about the Fremen. The BG are wishful about the KH just as the Fremen are wishful about the LaG, but the Fremen haven't been involved in creating the LaG - he happens TO them. They are lucky he turns out to be an ally, of sorts, --I'm not sure in the end he really is, but he at least starts out caring. In the end, Dune is about peoples trying to pry themselves out from under repressive conditions - and often getting sucked up into false promises along the way.
@@Bottlekap Not really. The BG plan was a meticulous, scientific endeavour calculated and executed at minute details. There was literally zero religious side to it. Just because a goal takes a long time, it doesn't mean it has a religious side. "they made one for themselves" The made ALL of them for themselves. One way or another, all of them were invented and engineered for a goal that supported the BG. On Arrakis, they decided that having a messianic version that could aid a stranded BG would be a useful backup to have. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. All BG and Paul knew that it was a fabrication made up to exploit the locals.
@@TheZoltan-42 Do you know what does not last thousands of years? A calculated conspiratorial scientific endeavor. That would be gone in a few generations at most. Do you know what lasts thousands of years? An idea based on religious faith. No matter how the group promoting that idea tries to bring it about, there must be faith to last that long.
Jessica didn't know she was the Baron's daughter for the same reason Feyd-Rautha's daughter won't know: the Bene Gesserit don't tell their members who their biological parents are in order to ensure they are loyal to the Sisterhood alone, with special exceptions like Irulan (Florence Pugh's character). "The Corps is mother, the Corps is father" as another sci-fi franchise puts it.
8:26 "What does that mean for her kid?!?" [SPOILER ALERT!!!] What happens to the mother happens to the unborn child. Jessica is flooded with the memories of centuries of past Reverend Mothers. The same thing happens to Alia. This becomes a problem for Alia as she grows older...
21:46 No, the doctor was killed by the Baron after he sold out Duke Leto (Paul's father) in part 1. These 3 prisoners are survivors of the attack from the end of part 1.
8:15 The old reverend mother is possibly blind do to old age. And when I say old, I mean OLD. Heavy, long-term consumption of spice can extend one's life to around 300 years. The Fremen diet is definitely rich in spice.
28:37 This is probably the second most frustrating part of the film for fans of the novel. (The most frustrating is that we don't get to see a 3-year old Alia running around having adult conversations...) In the novels, the Harkonnen fighting forces are pathetic. The best fighting forces are (1) The Fremen, (2) The Emperor's Sardaukar, and (3) a small force of Atreides fighters trained by Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck. Part 1 showed this brilliantly. When the Barron attacked, he was supported by the Emperor's Sardaukar. When a group of Harkonnen soldiers attacked the line of Atreides fighters, the Harkonnens were wiped out. But when a handful of Sardaukar dropped in behind the Atreides, the Atreides were wiped out. In the novel, the Harkonnens NEVER find the Fremen. No one destroys Sietch Tabr. No one destroys the Cave of Birds. Around this point in the story, the Harkonnens have retreated to the cities and don't dare attack the Fremen. The sort of destruction you see here doesn't happen until the Emperor arrives with is Sardaukar. But by the time the Sardaukar meet the Fremen, Paul has trained enough Fremen who then trained all other Fremen in the fighting techniques taught by Duncan and Gurney. There's one scene where a large force of Sardaukar attack a Fremen sietch, who are then decimated and forced to flee by Fremen women, children, and old men. They barely managed to escape by using their ship's flight jets as a weapon. Also, there are no satellites over Arrakis. The Fremen pay the Spacing Guild HUGE bribes in spice to keep the skies clear so that they can continue the ecological transformation on Arrakis.
Yes, he is the Lisan Al Gaib. But that role exists due to the stories of the Bene Geserit. It's like saying, I'm a royal prince and you know it because my grandpa said one day a royal prince would show up at your house.
There just aren't enough words that can describe how gorgeous this film is, and I'm so glad you continuously pointed out the beauty of some shots, the cinematography, the design, etc. Fantastic adaptation, with Villeneuve's trademark visual perfection.
In my opinion: Dune Part 2 gives me joy and such an entertaining movie. So yeah this sequel is better than the first part. Timothee his performance is absolutely outstanding.11/10
52:00 Oh, the 3rd movie will be absolutely tame compared to what God Emperor of Dune will be like if they film it. However, I am absolutely drooling in anticipation of the reactions to the surprise in the next film. [No spoilers please]
44:25 The Emperor will be imprisoned (similar to Napoleon being exiled to the island of Elba) on Salusa Secundus, the training ground of the Sardaukar. Shadam won't be uncomfortable, but he will be watched. At this time, Salusa Secundus is as hellish a world as Arrakis, but Paul begins terraforming Salusa to make it more hospitable. One of the reasons the Sarkaukar and Fremen are such amazing soldiers is that they went through the harshest survival training. By turning Salusa Secundus into a garden planet, it removes the possibility of the Emperor training more Sardaukar that are a match to the Fremen.
Both movies are just telling the story of the first book. The next Film - which is in pre production right now - will be the about the full second book. And if you did not read Dune, at all, then I got the perfect appetizer for you, to read it. Here it comes: in the book, Paul is not the one who kills the baron. If you wonna find out, who did it instead... enjoy the read 😉
@@DannyCosmosFrank Herbert wrote a total of six books. His son has gone on to write many more, but it’s generally agreed that he lacks his father’s talent.
The second book is Dune Messiah. It’s going to be a real challenge to film. It’s shorter, but also more complex. I’m looking forward to seeing how Villeneuve handles it.
Funny how much people love the floating harkonnen scene at the beginning, we've seen countless people fly in movies, often whizzing around all over the place and dodging weapon fire yet this simple scene looks so great.
Chani will be his concubine, this ends differently than the book, but as he said she will come to understand, and he sees all possible futures. He know she will come around.
My only complain t with this movie was that change in the end re: Chani. I prefer that she stands with Paul and realizes the "wife" label for Irulan is purely political and carries no emotional weight at all. It is merely a means to secure the throne. But I still love this movie.
9:20 Jessica's behavior was amplified for the film to help make the "fanatical Fremen" narrative more clear. In the novel, she is a lot more nuanced. She knows that Paul is likely the Bene Gesserit Kwisatz Haderach. She was THOROUGHLY trained by the Bene Gesserit, so sees this as a good thing. However, she is also scared for Paul's safety. She also wants to preserve the memory of Leto and his noble heritage. She knows that taking control of the Fremen is the only way for Paul to survive and defeat the Emperor. Although the film gives Jessica more screen time than the novel does, she receives a little bit of character assassination.
Yeah and although I like this movie the one gripe I got is the change to Alia in the book she's born at the same time Jessica takes the water of life a full reverend mother and she not Paul is the one who kills the Baron with the Gom Jabbar not to mention it removes over 4 yrs of time pretty big change if ya asked me......
i'm pretty sure that's a coincidence. the character you're talking about hadn't really shown any signs of that yet, and even if they had, Gaius wouldn't be focused on it. she was much more concerned by the revelation that Paul had become the Kwisatz Haderach, which she felt was an abominable turn of events
43:40 This fight is far less dramatic than it appears on the surface. At this point, Paul has all the powers of a Reverend Mother. He also has centuries of ancestral memories from his male AND female lines. (Reverend Mothers only gain memories from the female line). Getting stabbed is still dangerous, but Paul's abilities to control his body make this would less dangerous that it would be otherwise.
I believe the film amongst all the themes it tacckles, is an important one, that when people is in need of liberation and leadership they are willing to believe in prophecies whether they are truth or not.
As a fetus, Alia is affected by the Water of Life, the same as Lady Jessica. It’s a pity that the entire storyline of the child known as the abomination, Alia Atreides, is omitted. She does have significant impact on the events and this is important in future events. In the novel, she is born during the story and is about 3 years old by the end of the book. Her actions as a child make her known as St. Alia of the Knife. In Dune (1984), Alia is played by a very young Alicia Witt. At least the David Lynch film got that part right, albeit the Denis Villeneuve films are superior. Although to be fair, they have a much longer running time. It only shows it’s not possible to do a proper adaptation of Frank Herbert’s massive novel in one sitting. Arrakis is the only known source of Spice. Without it, all interstellar travel would cease and civilization as it is known, would inevitably collapse and plunge it into a new Dark Ages. Hence, it is the crown jewel of the Empire.
@@Haldurson Exactly. Humanity fought the Butlerian Jihad against the existence of A.I., that is why Spice is the reason for the Space Guild and everything that goes with it.
@18:50 They don't know Paul is alive at this point. They simply know "Muad'dib" as someone who is leading the Fremen against them. And I agree that "put your hand in the box" takes on a whole new meaning with this film vs the first. 🤣
Its no surprise that this movie won an Oscar for best sound. Its not just musically that the audio shines. The sound conveys power in key moments. Shai Hulud is meant to be desert power personified. If you listen to the audio when Paul summons the worm the crackling audio sounds the same as audio of the Space Shuttle launches when the solid rocket boosters light. Its raw power being barely tamed.
I mean, he technically is. He sees the golden path and is too afraid (or not willing to make the sacrifice) to walk it, which is why he ends up the way he does by the end of messiah. Paul could have been the one, that "one" just happened to be someone who would become a deity and vilified and seen as a tyrant. He would have been a villain, but a villain for the good of humanity. "The one" doesn't always have to imply a hero.
Feyd's opponents are drugged so they are easy kills. But the Baron leaves Lanville (he has three or four quick cameos in Part One) undrugged as a test for Feyd. As for the black and white effect, it was filmed in infrared to showcase Denis' idea of Giedi Prime having a "black sun." Everything outside looks black and white and translucent.
The Harkonnen homeworld, Geidi Prime, orbits a black sun, they're in a different star system, and their planet's surface doesn't have warm light filtration (as a result, the outside scenes was filmed in infrared in order to achieve that black and white look)
"If he can't make it out alive, He's really dead." I'm glad she connected those dots I woulda spent longer than Dune's runtime trying to figure out what she meant.
7:00 The religious/secular dispute between the Fremen is an invention for the film. It was certainly required for the film, as it would otherwise be difficult to explain Fremen fanaticism to the average viewer. In the novels, this fracture doesn't exist for several reasons. 1. The Fremen Reverend Mothers would guide the angsty youths towards integration into the religion. And if you're unsure how effective they would be, consider the powers of Bene Gesserit persuasion you see in the film. Although Fremen have some natural immunity to Bene Gesserit Voice, any Reverend Mother would be able to use natural persuasions and arguments to guide the youth. 2. In Fremen culture, children are NEVER blamed for their failings/mistakes. It is their teachers who are blamed. This creates a culture where children are not written off as bad eggs. 3. The Spice Orgy ceremony gives the Fremen limited prescience to have a sense of what the tribe needs. As any cult leader knows, NEVER underestimate the power of a communal experience. 4. If a Fremen became too vocal and disruptive about the religion then a tribal leader would likely take them out to the desert and slit their throat. I suspect they would not try to reclaim the water, as they would probably see the water as being tainted by the individual's "ghafla". (Gahfla is a Fremen word meaning "distraction". Frank Herbert took this word directly from Arabic, which means "anything that distracts one from God.")
22:40 The Baron is trying employ a plan similar to Jessica's: Put the Emperor in a position where he is forced to give up his throne by marrying his daughter to an eligible noble. Paul and Feyd-Rautha are both nobles. As for why the Emperor would agree to it: Dune has a precarious political and economic situation: The major power groups are: - The Emperor - The Major and Minor Houses. (The Atreides are one of the Great Houses.) - The Spacing Guild - The Bene Gesserit hiding in the background manipulating everything. Economically, they are all bound together in C.H.O.A.M. (Combine Honette Ober Advancer Mercantiles.) It is essentially an investment group, but not in the way we understand investment groups today. With CHOAM, a project would be proposed, and each investor would be given an opportunity to invest in that project. Every product ran through CHOAM, including Spice Melange. Militarily, the Emperor's forces are supposed to be held in check by the combined forces of each House. What the Houses fear most is the possibility that the Emperor will ally with one of the Great Houses and wipe out each House one by one. Which is EXACTLY what the Emperor did on Arrakis. If that tasty bit of information was revealed, there would be chaos in the Imperium. There's no telling who would be on top when the dust cleared. This prospect would terrify the Emperor. To keep his head, he'd gladly wed his daughter to a noble. In the novel, its unclear if the Bene Gesserit have been manipulating the Emperor the way we see it in the film.
9:01 Cynically speaking, smart and crafty politicians do the same thing to secure loyalty or a get a better position. Be sooo... humble to not take the responsibility and when the time comes "Well, ok, since YOU INSIST...."
13:13 Even marrying a Fremen doesn't really make you Fremen. Being Fremen isn't just belonging to a tribe. It involves a certain philosophy. Fremen have NO QUALMS about making a brutal decision when the situation demands it. This is one of the things that make them such great fighters and decision makers. Although Paul can out-think and out-fight any Fremen, he still grew up in a culture alien to the Fremen. Paul agonizes over brutal decisions.
Don't forget in November HBO Max is airing a TV spin off series called Dune: Prophecy. Set a few thousand years before Paul Atreides time and focused on how the Bene Gesserit start gaining power. Trailers just came out 😀
I think one of the biggest reasons why there's such a divide among audience's response to Paul is because his archetype isn't nearly as familiar with in pop culture. Paul is not a hero, or villain or even anti-hero. Paul is a tragic hero, and that's a very different thing than most of the discourse surrounding the character and ultimately what Herbert is trying to communicate within his work. The whole "Paul is good guy vs. Paul is bad guy it just depends on your perspective" perspective misses the point. Paul is very deliberately written as the Mary Sue of Mary Sues; he's raised from birth as a mentat, an order that represents all of the sacred aspects of the masculine. He's surrounded by alpha males who love and guide him. He's trained in the Bene Gesserit way by his mother, representing all the cunning power of the feminine. Paul's mother loves him and his father so much that she disobeys a sacred order of her own sisterhood. Paul is raised as a ducal heir and learned in the ways or war and politics. He then goes on to live among the most robust, resourceful and pragmatic people in all the imperium and eventually becomes their legitimate ruler after succeeding in all of their rituals and besting all comers. At this point the missionaria protectiva is moot, Paul has fulfilled all of the prophecies that no other person in the imperium ever could, he literally is That Guy and proves it. And that's all before becoming the goddamn Kwisatz Hadderach, the supreme being who can see in all places at once. The most capable human to ever live. And yet, even this supreme being is unfit to wield such monopolized power because no one is. The jihad is inevitable, violence sings its own song. This understanding of power is demonstrated in all the surrounding characters and subplots. The Bene Gesserit have the hubris to think they can control humanity and even the Kwisatz if they just patiently plan in the shadows long enough, the Fremen think they are ready to fulfill their dream of the "green paradise" which they do, but at great destructive cost to themselves, and so on. Herbert once stated that his favorite president was Richard Nixon as Nixon taught the American people to distrust presidents.
I fully understand the necessity to make Chani the voice of opposition when adapting this book into a movie. The book grants the reader access to the consciousness of its characters and through Paul’s consciousness, we experience his conflict with his ascent to power and the upcoming jihad, his attempts at stopping it until he realizes it’s much bigger than him and that he can’t. This kind of complex internalization simply isn’t the domain for cinema. Not fluid cinema anyway. So it’s necessary to bestow this conflict into an external source. And because the only character suitable to impose this upon is Chani, she’s the one who gets fundamentally changed. The movie version of Chani is a complete invention of the filmmakers and does not represent Herbert’s vision in any meaningful way. Again, while I understand that narrative necessity of this action, it comes with the tradeoff of erasing the original purpose of this character. In the book, Chani is Paul’s internal peace. The two of them both lose their fathers to this campaign providing the opportunity for these characters to comfort each other. Chani understands Paul as an outworlder as her dad was also an outworlder and has her outworlder father was in a leadership role within the Fremen, she sees Paul being the rightful man to take that position. Chani and Paul’s relationship is born out of deep empathy in this way. Chani becomes Paul’s ride or die, she too wishes for the freedom of her people, she provides her lover with valued counsel during his times of crisis. She understands the politics of marriage as all Fremen women do. The movie version of this character just has none of this. She’s little more than an avatar to voice Paul’s conflict and I consider this to be a substantial downgrade for her character. She’s vastly less interesting and complex and so is her relationship with her people and her lover. When I hear people say that this adaptation is an improvement to the character, I really think those people don’t know what they’re talking about.
I very much appreciate how you made it a point to pronounce Denis' last name correctly. They're not related that I know of but he shares the same last name as the one French Canadian who has won the F1 championship: Jacques Villeneuve, son of Gilles Villeneuve who is the only French-Canadian to have driven for Ferrari in F1. Quite the prodigious name for such a small population of roughly seven million people.
The "power-up" is actually a body-shield. Also: the appearance of the Harkonnens, in this movie, is an artistic liberty. In the book, Baron Vladimir Harkonnen actually has red hair and is homosexual. He wears a reverse-polarity gravitational-repulsor belt, also known as a suspensor-belt, to help him walk as he is so massive and heavy that he can't hardly move without it. As to Feyd Rautha Harkonnen, he was actually cooler and more calculating than the psychopath in this movie, and was actually considered rather handsome.
In the novel, Jessica is more subtle in how she operates, Chani is more devoted to Paul. And Paul’s sister is born and grown rapidly, becoming a pint sized psycho. Chani does not walk away at the end, but is Paul’s concubine while he marries Irulan for political reasons. Similarly I don’t recall the sceptic/ true believer split among Fremen. (I may be wrong, I have not read the book in a few years). Yet, it is true to the spirit of what Frank Herbert wanted to say: beware of messiahs, particularly those who inspire you to violence. I think the liberties Villeneuve took were justified and suggest a warning to us all in these politically crazy times.
He said. when he agreed to go south . That he would guide them to safety an then he would do what had to be done . And when he awoke from the water he could see only one narrow path to follow .
Anya Taylor-Joy did a superb job in Netflix's "The queen's gambit" (I wish you did a reaction). I'm sure she will do a fenomenal job in the next Dune movie.
You know, the moment you become prescient and are able to know the future, who you are is bound to go away, none of the choice you make are those you would have made before and you know so much that it is impossible to act as your old self.
Couple of things with regard to your hopes and expectations: - the next part happens pretty much after the holy war, not during. the whole thing is off-screen - paul will never get it on with irulan even though she really wants him to, he remains faithful to chani forever
the tricky thing about this prophecy is that the bene gesserit made it all up and have contigencies for if a lisan al-gaib that they appoint fails, so of course it all comes true because they facilitated the conditions for it to come true
House on house warfare is generally accepted in the lansraad, the Atreides and Harkonnens have a blood feud lasting near centuries now so nobody really is too worried or concerned with them fighting or destroying each other, however the Emporer is meant to be neutral and a defender of the peace it's the reason he is emporer to be a mediator, so for him to be picking off his subjects is a serious crime against the great houses convention and would signal to them that their end is near too, in the book this what gives Paul an easy shot at the throne because not only has he led a successful coup for arrakis but he's also told everyone that the emporer ordered his death
@@ChicagoDB That's what they indicated here too. Also, they also made it clear thatit was either gonna be Paul or Feyd-Rautha and either way, she'd be getting married to both preserve her family's royalty while allowing for one or the other's ascension to the throne too.
In his hurry to tell his story, Denis Villeneuve diverged seriously from the novel, changing Chani's character to suit his purpose and changing Chani's relationship with Jessica and Paul. The ending was so wrong that I do not know how they can come back to "Dune Messiah."
I’ve seen reactions to the film by Muslims, and they’re THRILLED! They can’t recognize that Paul is a fraud and that the jihad is a hideous waste of lives.
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Great reaction Mary 🙂👍. Hope see your reaction to David Lynchs: DUNE [1984] soon.
So ur not doing House of the Dragon for TH-cam?
did you pick up that the benegeseret faked the prophecy and he is not a god. He is in fact the bad guy of the story and Dune is a warning against following charismatic leaders.
The Harkonen planet has a black sun which is all UV light basically. It is why they are bald and pale and why it looked black and white. Those were not flashbacks, it was noon.
"Put your right hand in the box"
Mary "What, just like that! Oh, that box"
🤣That got me. Best laugh this week.
Mary got that gutter mind 😜😜
It was perfect
@@avengeme1987 She's got a septum piercing. Of course she has a trashy mind.
I literally laughed out loud.🤣
@@vfplayer did you really laugh out loud or use the word literally in a figurative way?? 😜😜
Truthsayers can tell when someone is lying, but not when someone is just wrong. The Harkonnens genuinely believed Muad'Dib had been killed in Feyd-Rautha's purge of the north.
Stilgar is the best hypeman!! Javier playing a character who is so wholesome and earnest at all times yet equally hilarious is a testament to his tremendous talent...
He's very meme-worthy.
@caribbeanman3379 🤡
His character was not entirely dissimilar to Anthony Quinn's character (Auda Abu Tayi) in LAWRENCE OF ARABIA. I felt Javier was channeling him at times.
@@axr7149 No.
Because religiously gullible genociders are so wholesome. Javier played him excellently though.
42:25 One of the tragedies in this story is the fact that Paul lost his friend Stilgar and gained a worshiper. A very poor trade.
He got the ultimate hype man. Without him things wouldn't have went nearly as smoothy. Or be actually impossible. A very good trade.
@@Leonhart_93 In the novels, Paul expresses regret that Stilgar became a worshiper.
@@axebeard6085 in the books its an evolution that takes place over years. Its unfortunate that the change in the span of time makes it harder to convey these kinds of things in the movie. Aside from paul literally just saying it.
@@axebeard6085 He regents the price he had to pay for it. But he is pragmatic enough to figure out how advantageous he was.
@@Leonhart_93 No he also thinks it made Stilgar lesser. He regrets both the price and the outcome. He hates every aspect of it. He hates that knowing the future means you're trapped by it.
20:17 “Usul” is his secret name; “MuaDib” is his Fremen name that would be known to others outside of the sietch
Yeah, MuaDib is desert mouse.
It also serves to hide his birth name: Paul Atraties.
But yeah, Muadib is his "public" name. So, of course, the Harkonen (& whatever spy/ intelligence network they employ) would learn THAT name!
Which only serves to HELP Paul.
The Harkonen planet (Geidi Prime) scenes were not flashbacks. Their planet orbits a black sun which gives off infrared light, making everything look black and white. Fun fact: they built special cameras to actually film those scenes in infrared, which is super cool.
Also that snakussy is the forbidden fleshlight.
I read the last line and involuntarily said “ouch”!
To be fair, in the book they were technically flashbacks. So, it's funny she would think this.
Put your hands in the box. "Already? Oh, that box." Shame on you. Mary. 😀🤣😁
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I'm always surprised with how well Chalamet acted in this one, with such a small physique he managed to make us see him as a fierce and scary warrior. He has a real scary presence by the end. Usually they take the easy route by casting a big buff guy.
He was the worst choice for Paul. Nothing intimidating about him at all. He looks like a little 12-year-old little boy and can’t act to save his life.
He was perfect casting for the role. Chalamet's performance is what I imagined Paul from the book as being. In the books, Paul is kind of a meek figure in the beginning but could command a room towards the end. The man has an epic set of lungs in him.
"I will lead you to paradise" gave me chills.
@@chaost4544 He also did the same in The King
A good actor? I know rare these days :(
Everything in this movie was dialed to 11. The sound, visuals, acting, story, editing and pacing. Insanely well done. Can’t wait for Dune Messiah to come out
And some how it was still boring after…it’s like I’m being pranked no way people like this. I dint have a short attention by any means and slow paced movies can be hood if they build properly but this dragged …so mind boggling boring I feel people are lying when they say they like it. Part 1 was worst
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I agree with everything besides the pacing. I thought the pacing was really bad, lots of time skips and jumps, and as someone who hasnt read the books it was sometimes confusing to keep up with. Great movie all around, but terrible pacing
This movie dragged on for two hours before finally waking up only to skip and change most of the ending. This and the first movie could’ve easily been edited into one three-hour movie with better editing and pacing.
Watching in IMAX was amazing.
That sandworm-riding scene was something else in IMAX.
Yeah it was like you're riding on the worm also.
Luv the Dune movies! Can't wait for "Dune Messiah"!
"That's how they make the water?" Don't tell her how the spice is made.
How's the spice made?
That's one of the tragedies of this adaptation, spice production is never explained. Still an incredible visual and also film though.
That's a cute emoji you have there. What is it called, and how can I have one?
@@markmarren2969
As I recall from the books, it's sort of the dried amniotic fluid left from a worm's birth
@@a25studioo Blud doesn't know how youtube emojis work
Denis Villeneuve has said that "Lawrence of Arabia" has been the biggest influence on his Dune adaptation... and it definitely shows.
The Seven Pillars of Wisdom was published in 1926, written by T.E. Lawrence, and is his memoir of his time spent in Arabia. The film Lawrence of Arabia is the adaptation of that book. It is Lawrence's book that partially inspired Frank Herbert, the author of the Dune books, in the 1960's.
And I suspect Javier Bardem was doing an imitation of Anthony Quinn all through the film and nobody noticed.
Without question, L of A is one of my greatest films of all-time.
Remember Paul said that Chani "would come to understand. I have seen it.". In the moment, she was traumatized, but Paul knows it will be okay in the end.
Yeah, sadly because they shortened the timeline they never had Jessica and Chani come to terms with each other nor Chani come to terms with Paul's position in the imperium and the necessity of an alliance through marriage.
Or, he'll FORCE her to return.
17:35 When Jessica says "All of us" in the voice, she's not talking about her and Alia. She's also talking about the centuries of Reverend Mothers who live within her.
Saying that she has the memories of those Reverend Mothers is a little misleading. Those memories come with personalities. They have their own motivations, desires, grievances, etc.
It's not that those people are actually living in her mind. Its closer to dissociative identity disorder, and a Reverend Mother has to maintain a balance between her own personality and those of the dead Reverend Mothers.
It's been a while since I read Frank's books. I have a recollection that they implied the reverend mothers' concern over the "abomination" of the pre-born being exposed to that was that they hadn't the time to develop their own ego and sense of self before the ritual. They haven't been prepared to keep clear lines between themselves and the influence of their ancestral memories. I imagine something like that might make someone vulnerable to a whole new volume of DSM disorders.
“Oh that box.ok.” 😂😂😂
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Muad'dib is his warrior name, not his secret name. His secret name is Usul.
in this universe .. the Royals have Wives and concubines often at the same time.. Pauls mother was a concubine,, Paul wiil marry the emperors daughter for the position of power but keep Chani as the one he loves. This is not the way with the Freman.. it will take time for her
But that look though at the end. When she see's Paul go to Florence Pugh. Chani is a woman-scorned.
Chani's reaction is a deviation from the book, in which she understands Paul's motives from the outset and they remain devoted to each other. But I think it was smart of Villeneuve to change that. Chani's distress at Paul's decision to marry Irulan makes his transformation feel even more dramatic, and also sets up an interesting storyline for the next movie where he'll have to figure out how to win her back.
@@klass_1221 In the movie. In the book, Irulan lives in a separate section of the palace, and Paul almost never sees her; she's more like a hostage than a wife/family member. He never shares a single kiss with her let alone has a child with her. Chani stays his beloved in the books. I'm curious to see how they continue their relationship in the next movie, because their children are integral to the plot.
@@klass_1221 Once she learns what this marriage actually means for Irulan, and how Paul sees it and her... She'll come around to the idea. Remember what Gurney said in part one? "A hostage! I love it."
Yeah they don’t have concubines in the fremen, but they have massive orgies so the idea of sharing a spouse isn’t a completely foreign concept.
Paul doesn't foresee the attack on Sietch Tabr because people with foresight can't properly "see" other people with foresight. Feyd-Rautha has much of the same bloodline and is another possible Kwisatzch Haderach. His foresight isn't anywhere near Paul's, as he isn't trained, but he has a little, and it blocked Paul's visions.
Javier Bardem was so good in this movie. I fully cackled in the theater after the duel and he shouts “Lisan Al’Gaib!” suddenly after the long pause.
The reason why the Harkonnens knew about "Muad'ib" was that this was the name they knew was responsible for a whole string of attacks against them. There are several months, nearly a year or more, that passes in the middle of the movie. They did not however know that "Muad'ib" = "Paul Atreides" - he was just a shadow until the end.
Great reaction. Just to let you know. In the Book. Chani was at Paul's side at the end. She knew the Politics of the Empire and knew she would always be Paul's love. In fact, the last line of the book is Jessica telling Chani that History will call them "wives". Denis just added a little drama and a cliffhanger to the movie. Jessica was never married to Leto. But their love was forever. She got her revenge on those responsible for Leto's death. She changed the Universe forever.
Denis probably added this to emphasize the fact paul is not a hero. Which is something reactor seemed to miss
@@user-jz8ow3xv8tYes, interesting that she shouted 'sweeet' when the Fremen massacred the Harkonnen in the streets from Ornithopters and burned them- exactly the same pictures shown when the Harkonnen did that to the Atreides. And Paul, who is butchering the baron without a trace of humanity is a mirror image of Fehyd, even shot by shot.
I guess propaganda can work even when it's a film 'about' propaganda.
18:00 "They already know his secret name?"
Paul's secret Fremen name in Stilgar's tribe is "Usul". No one outside of Stilgar's tribe is to be told this name.
Muad'Dib is the name Paul is known amongst all Fremen tribes.
The Harkonnens know the name "Muad'Dib" because the Fremen fighters are shouting his name in combat.
As I recall, there's a scene in the book where Rabban is talking about the Fremen are crying out Muad'Dib as they fall on Harkonnen blades to give other Fremen an opportunity to attack that Fremen.
Calling Fremen "fanatical" is a bit of an understatement.
20:30 The cool thing about the Harkonnen arena scene is that it was shot using infrared cameras. The transition from normal color when they are indoors to infrared as they move into the sunlight is subtle but amazing.
Denis Villeneuve has once again demonstrated his mastery in creating an immersive, visually captivating world that left me utterly mesmerized.
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You might want to thank Frank Herbert for providing the story. 😁
@@Tampahop No.
Seeing his interviews, gushing about the source material early on, plus his treatment of BR2049, I knew this was going to be a great adaption.
Esp after seeing the butchery of so many IPs of late.
@@jeromym5124 No you didn't know.
"Oh! That box. OK."
re: the last guy in the arena scene. That character did appear in Dune 1, but he only had 1 line and was mainly just in the background. But he's played by Roger Yuan, and has had fights with Jackie Chan (Shanghai Noon), Mel Gibson (Lethal Weapon 4) and Keanu Reeves (John Wick 3 in the weapons museum), among others.
I actually rewatched the first film a week before I saw the sequel and recognized Roger, and was surprised that his role was so small. But they were just setting him up so that he could pull of this epic arena fight in the sequel.
Yuan also choreographed the sword/knife fights in both Dune movies and trained the actors to execute them. He did amazing work.
The character's name is Lanville, and he was one of the Duke's commanders.
He had multiple lines and was in all Atreides group scenes.
His “power” is his shield. That was funny 😂
33:47
Mary slowly realizing that Paul is not the hero of this story
I refer to my comment about AoT 😅
Glad, I am still back in "I think he is the good guy" and I was worried lol.
My confirmation that Villeneuve had nailed the adaption for non book readers was people squirming in their seats at this scene and speech. Beware the charismatic leader
The problem is in dune there are no heroes like we would define them. Leto 2 for example becomes in the book a 4000 year old dictator who does genocide experiments in human breeding a total monster. Also he becomes a person who is in pain for 4000 years. Has no love or real friends, and in the end lets himself assassinated to save and free humanity from itself. Much like dr huey a misunderstood character. Do not get me wrong the new movies are great except the change at the end, much prefer a 3 year old alia killing the baron, such a pathetic scene for him. But yeah the books are much to complex for a movie. Would prefer a series like scifi did once with dune. But i think we wont ever get godemperor of dune. 3 hours movie about a poetic selfloathing dictator and one big monolog. Never gets on the screen.😢😢😢
He is the hero they need, the only one that could deliver them what they wanted. No one else had the power to do so, they would have lost.
There is no Lisan Al Gaib. It's just a story, invented to cover for the Bene Gesserit, that Paul and Jessica manipulate with their Bene Gesserit skills. The Kwizatz Hadderach is a thing, but Paul was not supposed to be the One because Jessica was supposed to birth a female, and it's pretty clear the Bene Gesserit don't really understand the full implications, at least in this telling.
Can we really say the Kwizatz Hadderach is any more or less of a thing than the Lisan Al Gaib? The KH is essentially an almost religious figure and myth for the BG, a goal that the sisters just came up with and attempted to see to fruition over 10,000 years. Just as they planted superstition and myth on other worlds, they made one for themselves. The way I see it, Paul really is as much the Lisan Al Gaib as he is the Kwizatz Hadderach.
Yet they physically created him. By pushing natural real human abilities. Frankly millennia if breeding and training could produce results not so far from this fantasy. Already know human feats are a step on that path
@@Bottlekap You are right, in the minds of the BG the KH is a religious figure. That is my point about them not entirely understanding the implications of their breeding campaign. They think it will give them wisdom and power, because that is their faith, but its not clear from Paul's example that it will provide either, or which end is really their priority.
The prophecy of the Lisan Al Gaib is a complete fabrication invented by the BG for cover. Surviving the water of life, reducing biological activity, being wakened by Desert Spring tears, those are things advanced BG can do. They use those skills, symbolism that they planted, and the hopes of the Fremen to sell a magical story they can manipulate to protect BG if they get trapped on Arrakis. It's profoundly cynical and manipulative. Paul is is deeply torn about whether to use the prophecy because he knows it's a lie that can be very destructive given the seductive power of faith, and he actually cares about the Fremen.
The BG are wishful about the KH just as the Fremen are wishful about the LaG, but the Fremen haven't been involved in creating the LaG - he happens TO them. They are lucky he turns out to be an ally, of sorts, --I'm not sure in the end he really is, but he at least starts out caring. In the end, Dune is about peoples trying to pry themselves out from under repressive conditions - and often getting sucked up into false promises along the way.
@@Bottlekap Not really. The BG plan was a meticulous, scientific endeavour calculated and executed at minute details. There was literally zero religious side to it. Just because a goal takes a long time, it doesn't mean it has a religious side.
"they made one for themselves" The made ALL of them for themselves. One way or another, all of them were invented and engineered for a goal that supported the BG. On Arrakis, they decided that having a messianic version that could aid a stranded BG would be a useful backup to have. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. All BG and Paul knew that it was a fabrication made up to exploit the locals.
@@TheZoltan-42 Do you know what does not last thousands of years? A calculated conspiratorial scientific endeavor. That would be gone in a few generations at most. Do you know what lasts thousands of years? An idea based on religious faith. No matter how the group promoting that idea tries to bring it about, there must be faith to last that long.
Jessica didn't know she was the Baron's daughter for the same reason Feyd-Rautha's daughter won't know: the Bene Gesserit don't tell their members who their biological parents are in order to ensure they are loyal to the Sisterhood alone, with special exceptions like Irulan (Florence Pugh's character).
"The Corps is mother, the Corps is father" as another sci-fi franchise puts it.
The music in this movie is simply incredible, chills whenever I hear it
Hans Zimmer FTW.
8:26 "What does that mean for her kid?!?"
[SPOILER ALERT!!!]
What happens to the mother happens to the unborn child. Jessica is flooded with the memories of centuries of past Reverend Mothers. The same thing happens to Alia.
This becomes a problem for Alia as she grows older...
55:20 Rabban didn't survive the movie. Gurney Halleck stuck a sword in his throat.
No.
Mua'dib is his war name, the public one.
Usul is his secret name.
Paul warned her if he went south he would lose her. He didn’t know how until he drank the worm’s poison. This path was the only one that would work.
21:46 No, the doctor was killed by the Baron after he sold out Duke Leto (Paul's father) in part 1. These 3 prisoners are survivors of the attack from the end of part 1.
I really hope they bring Dune 2 back to IMAX someday
it was transcendant
Will probably go back on IMAX right before Dune Part III just like Dune Part I came out again right before Dune Part II.
They probably will just before the next Oscars.
Imagine a triple screening lead up to Dune 3…
The best movie in this decade so far. The Lord of the Rings in our generation
Godzilla Minus One better
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@@Shhtick No.
The "adult Star Wars". Lucas was wise to gain inspiration from Frank Herbert.
@@klass_1221 Nope.
8:15 The old reverend mother is possibly blind do to old age. And when I say old, I mean OLD.
Heavy, long-term consumption of spice can extend one's life to around 300 years. The Fremen diet is definitely rich in spice.
28:37 This is probably the second most frustrating part of the film for fans of the novel. (The most frustrating is that we don't get to see a 3-year old Alia running around having adult conversations...)
In the novels, the Harkonnen fighting forces are pathetic. The best fighting forces are (1) The Fremen, (2) The Emperor's Sardaukar, and (3) a small force of Atreides fighters trained by Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck.
Part 1 showed this brilliantly. When the Barron attacked, he was supported by the Emperor's Sardaukar. When a group of Harkonnen soldiers attacked the line of Atreides fighters, the Harkonnens were wiped out. But when a handful of Sardaukar dropped in behind the Atreides, the Atreides were wiped out.
In the novel, the Harkonnens NEVER find the Fremen. No one destroys Sietch Tabr. No one destroys the Cave of Birds.
Around this point in the story, the Harkonnens have retreated to the cities and don't dare attack the Fremen.
The sort of destruction you see here doesn't happen until the Emperor arrives with is Sardaukar. But by the time the Sardaukar meet the Fremen, Paul has trained enough Fremen who then trained all other Fremen in the fighting techniques taught by Duncan and Gurney.
There's one scene where a large force of Sardaukar attack a Fremen sietch, who are then decimated and forced to flee by Fremen women, children, and old men. They barely managed to escape by using their ship's flight jets as a weapon.
Also, there are no satellites over Arrakis. The Fremen pay the Spacing Guild HUGE bribes in spice to keep the skies clear so that they can continue the ecological transformation on Arrakis.
Yes, he is the Lisan Al Gaib. But that role exists due to the stories of the Bene Geserit. It's like saying, I'm a royal prince and you know it because my grandpa said one day a royal prince would show up at your house.
There just aren't enough words that can describe how gorgeous this film is, and I'm so glad you continuously pointed out the beauty of some shots, the cinematography, the design, etc. Fantastic adaptation, with Villeneuve's trademark visual perfection.
In my opinion: Dune Part 2 gives me joy and such an entertaining movie. So yeah this sequel is better than the first part.
Timothee his performance is absolutely outstanding.11/10
After watching part 2, I went back to watch part 1 and I appreciated it so much more on the second watch.
Lady Fenring: "Put your hand in the box." Mary's response: "Oh my gosh, that fast?" Lol.
Usul is the secret name, Muad’ dib is his Fremen warrior name
52:00 Oh, the 3rd movie will be absolutely tame compared to what God Emperor of Dune will be like if they film it.
However, I am absolutely drooling in anticipation of the reactions to the surprise in the next film. [No spoilers please]
44:25 The Emperor will be imprisoned (similar to Napoleon being exiled to the island of Elba) on Salusa Secundus, the training ground of the Sardaukar. Shadam won't be uncomfortable, but he will be watched.
At this time, Salusa Secundus is as hellish a world as Arrakis, but Paul begins terraforming Salusa to make it more hospitable.
One of the reasons the Sarkaukar and Fremen are such amazing soldiers is that they went through the harshest survival training. By turning Salusa Secundus into a garden planet, it removes the possibility of the Emperor training more Sardaukar that are a match to the Fremen.
Both movies are just telling the story of the first book.
The next Film - which is in pre production right now - will be the about the full second book.
And if you did not read Dune, at all, then I got the perfect appetizer for you, to read it.
Here it comes: in the book, Paul is not the one who kills the baron.
If you wonna find out, who did it instead... enjoy the read 😉
What? Theirs a second book ?
@@DannyCosmosFrank Herbert wrote a total of six books. His son has gone on to write many more, but it’s generally agreed that he lacks his father’s talent.
The second book is Dune Messiah. It’s going to be a real challenge to film. It’s shorter, but also more complex. I’m looking forward to seeing how Villeneuve handles it.
@@wackyvorlon it'll be pretty at least
@wackyvorlon Yeah, I just cannot wait to see Alia... doing her thing 😉
Funny how much people love the floating harkonnen scene at the beginning, we've seen countless people fly in movies, often whizzing around all over the place and dodging weapon fire yet this simple scene looks so great.
Chani will be his concubine, this ends differently than the book, but as he said she will come to understand, and he sees all possible futures. He know she will come around.
My only complain t with this movie was that change in the end re: Chani. I prefer that she stands with Paul and realizes the "wife" label for Irulan is purely political and carries no emotional weight at all. It is merely a means to secure the throne. But I still love this movie.
Dude let people watch the movies without telling what's gonna happen
@@lassesvendsen775 piss off.
9:20 Jessica's behavior was amplified for the film to help make the "fanatical Fremen" narrative more clear.
In the novel, she is a lot more nuanced. She knows that Paul is likely the Bene Gesserit Kwisatz Haderach. She was THOROUGHLY trained by the Bene Gesserit, so sees this as a good thing. However, she is also scared for Paul's safety. She also wants to preserve the memory of Leto and his noble heritage. She knows that taking control of the Fremen is the only way for Paul to survive and defeat the Emperor.
Although the film gives Jessica more screen time than the novel does, she receives a little bit of character assassination.
Yeah and although I like this movie the one gripe I got is the change to Alia in the book she's born at the same time Jessica takes the water of life a full reverend mother and she not Paul is the one who kills the Baron with the Gom Jabbar not to mention it removes over 4 yrs of time pretty big change if ya asked me......
‘Someone needs to tell the Haakonnens that bald is not it…..priceless 😂😂😂😂
15:22 To paraphrase -Tyrion Lennister- Eitri: "Yes… that's what d-dying means?!?"
Real quick, the Reverend Mother wasn't calling Paul abomination. She was calling someone else that
i'm pretty sure that's a coincidence. the character you're talking about hadn't really shown any signs of that yet, and even if they had, Gaius wouldn't be focused on it. she was much more concerned by the revelation that Paul had become the Kwisatz Haderach, which she felt was an abominable turn of events
@@obligatoryprofile Although it’s an interesting word choice by her, especially given how well-versed Denis is in the source material.
Alia is supposed to the "abomination" but in this version I think she talking about Paul.
43:40 This fight is far less dramatic than it appears on the surface.
At this point, Paul has all the powers of a Reverend Mother. He also has centuries of ancestral memories from his male AND female lines. (Reverend Mothers only gain memories from the female line).
Getting stabbed is still dangerous, but Paul's abilities to control his body make this would less dangerous that it would be otherwise.
The Harkonnens didn't find his 'secret name,' that was Usul.
You wait until your twentieth rewatch. You’ll finish it and just think: WOW. I noticed another brilliant detail.
I believe the film amongst all the themes it tacckles, is an important one, that when people is in need of liberation and leadership they are willing to believe in prophecies whether they are truth or not.
"I can't hate the Emperor if he's Christopher Walken."
That sounds touching🙂, I can feel it in my heart.
lol it's black and white on the harkonnen planet because they have a black sun! in the shadows, there is color lol.
Symbolic, perhaps? The “black sun” was an important Nazi emblem.
As a fetus, Alia is affected by the Water of Life, the same as Lady Jessica.
It’s a pity that the entire storyline of the child known as the abomination, Alia Atreides, is omitted. She does have significant impact on the events and this is important in future events. In the novel, she is born during the story and is about 3 years old by the end of the book. Her actions as a child make her known as St. Alia of the Knife.
In Dune (1984), Alia is played by a very young Alicia Witt. At least the David Lynch film got that part right, albeit the Denis Villeneuve films are superior. Although to be fair, they have a much longer running time. It only shows it’s not possible to do a proper adaptation of Frank Herbert’s massive novel in one sitting.
Arrakis is the only known source of Spice. Without it, all interstellar travel would cease and civilization as it is known, would inevitably collapse and plunge it into a new Dark Ages. Hence, it is the crown jewel of the Empire.
To be fair... space travel did not originally require spice. Originally, it required AI. But AI became forbidden.
@@Haldurson Exactly. Humanity fought the Butlerian Jihad against the existence of A.I., that is why Spice is the reason for the Space Guild and everything that goes with it.
@18:50 They don't know Paul is alive at this point. They simply know "Muad'dib" as someone who is leading the Fremen against them. And I agree that "put your hand in the box" takes on a whole new meaning with this film vs the first. 🤣
28:04 "Snake-ussy" is absolutely wild. It literally made me choke on my drink 🤣
Its no surprise that this movie won an Oscar for best sound. Its not just musically that the audio shines. The sound conveys power in key moments. Shai Hulud is meant to be desert power personified. If you listen to the audio when Paul summons the worm the crackling audio sounds the same as audio of the Space Shuttle launches when the solid rocket boosters light. Its raw power being barely tamed.
If you think Paul is “The One”, Dune 3 is gonna be a complete mind-f*** for you 😮
Yeah it will, especially when the ghola Hayt shows up.
@@JasonC-uw1hz IKR? That first scene with Scytale and Edric is gonna be sooo cool! I just can’t wait to see how Villeneuve brings it to life.
I wonder how they're going to approach the Stilgar "hey Paul... you gotta pump up those numbers" issue.
@@JasonC-uw1hz ghaaa..ahhhhhhh...grrrraaaaaaahhhhhhh....aaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!.....................🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean, he technically is. He sees the golden path and is too afraid (or not willing to make the sacrifice) to walk it, which is why he ends up the way he does by the end of messiah.
Paul could have been the one, that "one" just happened to be someone who would become a deity and vilified and seen as a tyrant. He would have been a villain, but a villain for the good of humanity. "The one" doesn't always have to imply a hero.
Mary called on the Lord (Oh My Lord, My Lord) more than a Pentecostal preacher. 😂 Every bald man when Mary told the Harkanen bald is not a look 😭😭
😂😂😂
I guarantee you, she only says it because she’s into it.
The emperor spends rest of his life in exile on his guard's planet but lives in leisure n luxury.
20:35 I would say that Jabba the Hutt was almost certainly inspired by the Baron.
Especially since the original Jabba the Hutt was a fat human, rather than a huge blobular alien.
Feyd's opponents are drugged so they are easy kills. But the Baron leaves Lanville (he has three or four quick cameos in Part One) undrugged as a test for Feyd. As for the black and white effect, it was filmed in infrared to showcase Denis' idea of Giedi Prime having a "black sun." Everything outside looks black and white and translucent.
The Harkonnen homeworld, Geidi Prime, orbits a black sun, they're in a different star system, and their planet's surface doesn't have warm light filtration (as a result, the outside scenes was filmed in infrared in order to achieve that black and white look)
"If he can't make it out alive,
He's really dead."
I'm glad she connected those dots I woulda spent longer than Dune's runtime trying to figure out what she meant.
7:00 The religious/secular dispute between the Fremen is an invention for the film. It was certainly required for the film, as it would otherwise be difficult to explain Fremen fanaticism to the average viewer.
In the novels, this fracture doesn't exist for several reasons.
1. The Fremen Reverend Mothers would guide the angsty youths towards integration into the religion. And if you're unsure how effective they would be, consider the powers of Bene Gesserit persuasion you see in the film. Although Fremen have some natural immunity to Bene Gesserit Voice, any Reverend Mother would be able to use natural persuasions and arguments to guide the youth.
2. In Fremen culture, children are NEVER blamed for their failings/mistakes. It is their teachers who are blamed. This creates a culture where children are not written off as bad eggs.
3. The Spice Orgy ceremony gives the Fremen limited prescience to have a sense of what the tribe needs. As any cult leader knows, NEVER underestimate the power of a communal experience.
4. If a Fremen became too vocal and disruptive about the religion then a tribal leader would likely take them out to the desert and slit their throat. I suspect they would not try to reclaim the water, as they would probably see the water as being tainted by the individual's "ghafla".
(Gahfla is a Fremen word meaning "distraction". Frank Herbert took this word directly from Arabic, which means "anything that distracts one from God.")
Sandworms travel by emitting a pulse that "liquefies" sand so they can "swim" through it. That is why rock is a barrier to them.
22:40 The Baron is trying employ a plan similar to Jessica's: Put the Emperor in a position where he is forced to give up his throne by marrying his daughter to an eligible noble. Paul and Feyd-Rautha are both nobles.
As for why the Emperor would agree to it:
Dune has a precarious political and economic situation:
The major power groups are:
- The Emperor
- The Major and Minor Houses. (The Atreides are one of the Great Houses.)
- The Spacing Guild
- The Bene Gesserit hiding in the background manipulating everything.
Economically, they are all bound together in C.H.O.A.M. (Combine Honette Ober Advancer Mercantiles.) It is essentially an investment group, but not in the way we understand investment groups today. With CHOAM, a project would be proposed, and each investor would be given an opportunity to invest in that project. Every product ran through CHOAM, including Spice Melange.
Militarily, the Emperor's forces are supposed to be held in check by the combined forces of each House.
What the Houses fear most is the possibility that the Emperor will ally with one of the Great Houses and wipe out each House one by one. Which is EXACTLY what the Emperor did on Arrakis.
If that tasty bit of information was revealed, there would be chaos in the Imperium. There's no telling who would be on top when the dust cleared. This prospect would terrify the Emperor. To keep his head, he'd gladly wed his daughter to a noble.
In the novel, its unclear if the Bene Gesserit have been manipulating the Emperor the way we see it in the film.
I suggest the movie OBLIVION it is little known, but surprisingly good.
33:23 no doubt, that’s where the inspiration for the Luke Skywalker/ Darth Vader relationship came from.
9:01 Cynically speaking, smart and crafty politicians do the same thing to secure loyalty or a get a better position. Be sooo... humble to not take the responsibility and when the time comes "Well, ok, since YOU INSIST...."
13:13 Even marrying a Fremen doesn't really make you Fremen. Being Fremen isn't just belonging to a tribe. It involves a certain philosophy. Fremen have NO QUALMS about making a brutal decision when the situation demands it. This is one of the things that make them such great fighters and decision makers.
Although Paul can out-think and out-fight any Fremen, he still grew up in a culture alien to the Fremen. Paul agonizes over brutal decisions.
51:48 this observation is pretty important because that's the last line of the first book.
Don't forget in November HBO Max is airing a TV spin off series called Dune: Prophecy. Set a few thousand years before Paul Atreides time and focused on how the Bene Gesserit start gaining power. Trailers just came out 😀
I think one of the biggest reasons why there's such a divide among audience's response to Paul is because his archetype isn't nearly as familiar with in pop culture. Paul is not a hero, or villain or even anti-hero. Paul is a tragic hero, and that's a very different thing than most of the discourse surrounding the character and ultimately what Herbert is trying to communicate within his work. The whole "Paul is good guy vs. Paul is bad guy it just depends on your perspective" perspective misses the point.
Paul is very deliberately written as the Mary Sue of Mary Sues; he's raised from birth as a mentat, an order that represents all of the sacred aspects of the masculine. He's surrounded by alpha males who love and guide him. He's trained in the Bene Gesserit way by his mother, representing all the cunning power of the feminine. Paul's mother loves him and his father so much that she disobeys a sacred order of her own sisterhood. Paul is raised as a ducal heir and learned in the ways or war and politics. He then goes on to live among the most robust, resourceful and pragmatic people in all the imperium and eventually becomes their legitimate ruler after succeeding in all of their rituals and besting all comers. At this point the missionaria protectiva is moot, Paul has fulfilled all of the prophecies that no other person in the imperium ever could, he literally is That Guy and proves it. And that's all before becoming the goddamn Kwisatz Hadderach, the supreme being who can see in all places at once. The most capable human to ever live. And yet, even this supreme being is unfit to wield such monopolized power because no one is. The jihad is inevitable, violence sings its own song.
This understanding of power is demonstrated in all the surrounding characters and subplots. The Bene Gesserit have the hubris to think they can control humanity and even the Kwisatz if they just patiently plan in the shadows long enough, the Fremen think they are ready to fulfill their dream of the "green paradise" which they do, but at great destructive cost to themselves, and so on.
Herbert once stated that his favorite president was Richard Nixon as Nixon taught the American people to distrust presidents.
I fully understand the necessity to make Chani the voice of opposition when adapting this book into a movie. The book grants the reader access to the consciousness of its characters and through Paul’s consciousness, we experience his conflict with his ascent to power and the upcoming jihad, his attempts at stopping it until he realizes it’s much bigger than him and that he can’t. This kind of complex internalization simply isn’t the domain for cinema. Not fluid cinema anyway. So it’s necessary to bestow this conflict into an external source. And because the only character suitable to impose this upon is Chani, she’s the one who gets fundamentally changed. The movie version of Chani is a complete invention of the filmmakers and does not represent Herbert’s vision in any meaningful way. Again, while I understand that narrative necessity of this action, it comes with the tradeoff of erasing the original purpose of this character.
In the book, Chani is Paul’s internal peace. The two of them both lose their fathers to this campaign providing the opportunity for these characters to comfort each other. Chani understands Paul as an outworlder as her dad was also an outworlder and has her outworlder father was in a leadership role within the Fremen, she sees Paul being the rightful man to take that position. Chani and Paul’s relationship is born out of deep empathy in this way. Chani becomes Paul’s ride or die, she too wishes for the freedom of her people, she provides her lover with valued counsel during his times of crisis. She understands the politics of marriage as all Fremen women do.
The movie version of this character just has none of this. She’s little more than an avatar to voice Paul’s conflict and I consider this to be a substantial downgrade for her character. She’s vastly less interesting and complex and so is her relationship with her people and her lover.
When I hear people say that this adaptation is an improvement to the character, I really think those people don’t know what they’re talking about.
I very much appreciate how you made it a point to pronounce Denis' last name correctly. They're not related that I know of but he shares the same last name as the one French Canadian who has won the F1 championship: Jacques Villeneuve, son of Gilles Villeneuve who is the only French-Canadian to have driven for Ferrari in F1. Quite the prodigious name for such a small population of roughly seven million people.
The "power-up" is actually a body-shield. Also: the appearance of the Harkonnens, in this movie, is an artistic liberty. In the book, Baron Vladimir Harkonnen actually has red hair and is homosexual. He wears a reverse-polarity gravitational-repulsor belt, also known as a suspensor-belt, to help him walk as he is so massive and heavy that he can't hardly move without it. As to Feyd Rautha Harkonnen, he was actually cooler and more calculating than the psychopath in this movie, and was actually considered rather handsome.
In the novel, Jessica is more subtle in how she operates, Chani is more devoted to Paul. And Paul’s sister is born and grown rapidly, becoming a pint sized psycho. Chani does not walk away at the end, but is Paul’s concubine while he marries Irulan for political reasons. Similarly I don’t recall the sceptic/ true believer split among Fremen. (I may be wrong, I have not read the book in a few years).
Yet, it is true to the spirit of what Frank Herbert wanted to say: beware of messiahs, particularly those who inspire you to violence. I think the liberties Villeneuve took were justified and suggest a warning to us all in these politically crazy times.
He said. when he agreed to go south . That he would guide them to safety an then he would do what had to be done . And when he awoke from the water he could see only one narrow path to follow .
23:41 "Ah yeah...he's definitely gonna be coming."
23:49 "Oh! That box. Okay."
24:04 "Ooh... Snake (?ussy)"
Mary! Why are you like this?
Anya Taylor-Joy did a superb job in Netflix's "The queen's gambit" (I wish you did a reaction). I'm sure she will do a fenomenal job in the next Dune movie.
You know, the moment you become prescient and are able to know the future, who you are is bound to go away, none of the choice you make are those you would have made before and you know so much that it is impossible to act as your old self.
Couple of things with regard to your hopes and expectations:
- the next part happens pretty much after the holy war, not during. the whole thing is off-screen
- paul will never get it on with irulan even though she really wants him to, he remains faithful to chani forever
the tricky thing about this prophecy is that the bene gesserit made it all up and have contigencies for if a lisan al-gaib that they appoint fails, so of course it all comes true because they facilitated the conditions for it to come true
Love the fact Fremen have flags on the big big sandworm
In case we get confused about who is who xD
By the way, Mua'dib isn't his secret name. Usul is his secret name. Mua'dib is his warrior name.
House on house warfare is generally accepted in the lansraad, the Atreides and Harkonnens have a blood feud lasting near centuries now so nobody really is too worried or concerned with them fighting or destroying each other, however the Emporer is meant to be neutral and a defender of the peace it's the reason he is emporer to be a mediator, so for him to be picking off his subjects is a serious crime against the great houses convention and would signal to them that their end is near too, in the book this what gives Paul an easy shot at the throne because not only has he led a successful coup for arrakis but he's also told everyone that the emporer ordered his death
Paul wanted Chani to be his Concubine like Jessica was to Leto. She'd be his real love. His marriage to Irulan just for show.
Plus in the book, she knew and accepted that it was necessary.
@@ChicagoDB That's what they indicated here too. Also, they also made it clear thatit was either gonna be Paul or Feyd-Rautha and either way, she'd be getting married to both preserve her family's royalty while allowing for one or the other's ascension to the throne too.
In his hurry to tell his story, Denis Villeneuve diverged seriously from the novel, changing Chani's character to suit his purpose and changing Chani's relationship with Jessica and Paul. The ending was so wrong that I do not know how they can come back to "Dune Messiah."
The ending is great for the story of the first book but it makes messiah kinda imposible to adapt now
1:04 that was actually perfect, nice job haha
Welcome to religious fanaticism and why it is dangerous
I know. I experienced this in Christianity, it's nuts.
yes, you can be the "messiah" and still be the bad guy
I’ve seen reactions to the film by Muslims, and they’re THRILLED! They can’t recognize that Paul is a fraud and that the jihad is a hideous waste of lives.
10:16 I love the look she gives him there, like "bitch, I do this every day"
40:28 Exactly what would have happened if Mantis hadn't put Drax to sleep on Knowhere in "Infinity War".☠