His is essentially his Judo background. He never learned directly from Toma, but studied Albert Church's version of Aikijiujutsu. Related, but not Motobu Udun Ti nor Toma toide. Not that that's bad or good. Just different.
@@oninteam2477 Yes, I know. I was a member of Juko Kai in the 90's and attended several Juko Kai trainings. He would ask ME about Toma's Seidokan and events/developments in Okinawa. He was introduced to Toma by Roy Hobbs, and received endorsement from Toma by large donations to Toma, never actually training on the floor, according to in-the-dojo sources. He merely bought the right to use Toma's name to endorse his organization and use his name on certificates, for which he sent payments regularly. Toma appreciated the income stream, but there was no direct teaching, unless perhaps Hobbs sensei trained with Sacharnoski.
@@Utahokinawanseidokankarate Well...wow, that was a vastly different story from what we hear in the ryu. I definitely have somethings to think about. I appreciate your honesty and thank you for your time.
@@oninteam2477, I know it's different. Back when I did Fred Villari Kempo, Villari gave a different story than what I learned later. Then Mattera split, and gave yet a different story about USSD. JUKO Shorin Ryu was coined because they are not Seidokan. And the character for "Sei" of Seidokan on the certificates translates as "sex" instead of "right/correct". I know Hobbs, who introduced Sacharnoski to Toma, as well as others close to the situation, and also have it direct from Toma's mouth while at breakfast with him in Georgia in 1999. Hobbs' toide is also more Aikijujutsu, and he had two Toma's for teachers, his primary being Toma Seiki, and secondary was Toma Shian, the Seidokan karate founder.
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Excellent video! 😊
Outstanding video!
What's your thoughts on Soke Sacharnoski's Juko-ryu Toide?
His is essentially his Judo background. He never learned directly from Toma, but studied Albert Church's version of Aikijiujutsu. Related, but not Motobu Udun Ti nor Toma toide. Not that that's bad or good. Just different.
@@Utahokinawanseidokankarate That is very interesting. He does make a claim to a direct lineage to Toma.
@@oninteam2477 Yes, I know. I was a member of Juko Kai in the 90's and attended several Juko Kai trainings. He would ask ME about Toma's Seidokan and events/developments in Okinawa.
He was introduced to Toma by Roy Hobbs, and received endorsement from Toma by large donations to Toma, never actually training on the floor, according to in-the-dojo sources. He merely bought the right to use Toma's name to endorse his organization and use his name on certificates, for which he sent payments regularly. Toma appreciated the income stream, but there was no direct teaching, unless perhaps Hobbs sensei trained with Sacharnoski.
@@Utahokinawanseidokankarate Well...wow, that was a vastly different story from what we hear in the ryu. I definitely have somethings to think about. I appreciate your honesty and thank you for your time.
@@oninteam2477, I know it's different. Back when I did Fred Villari Kempo, Villari gave a different story than what I learned later. Then Mattera split, and gave yet a different story about USSD.
JUKO Shorin Ryu was coined because they are not Seidokan. And the character for "Sei" of Seidokan on the certificates translates as "sex" instead of "right/correct".
I know Hobbs, who introduced Sacharnoski to Toma, as well as others close to the situation, and also have it direct from Toma's mouth while at breakfast with him in Georgia in 1999.
Hobbs' toide is also more Aikijujutsu, and he had two Toma's for teachers, his primary being Toma Seiki, and secondary was Toma Shian, the Seidokan karate founder.