It wasn't until the final couple of minutes that the presenter touched on 'the difference' between the IRONMAN FOAM CELL PRO SHOCKS and the NITROGEN SHOCKS. The Ironman Foam Cell Pros are constructed to maintain their performance for extended periods over rough (corrugated) roads at speed. They are constructed to stay cooler and significantly inhibit internal oil foaming (cavitation). They are more robust in construction, they are a 'performance shock'. The Nitrogen Shocks perform just as well, (the same) until they are put under prolonged pressure at sustained high speed over rough roads. If you are driving on sealed highways with only very occasional off-roading the Nitrogen Shocks are fine, the extra cash outlay is maybe not necessary.
The foam is a volume compensator. As the shock shaft moves into the shock body, it displaces oil. That oil needs somewhere to go, without leaving a giant bubble in the oil. So either a floating piston (IFP) backed by nitrogen is used, or bladder, or foam, like these shocks use. While these different ways to compensate for volume can lead to slight differences in the ride, it's the internal valving that actually does the work.
Thank you for the nice comparison. This was a lot of work for you. Thank you. From what I understand, the Foam Cell Pros excel in long range distance traveling off road. Unlike nitrogen shocks, the oil inside does not foam up as a result the shocks maintain the same performance through out the trip off road. Nitrogen shocks on the other hand, loose performance long range travel off road.
I have the FCP stage III and love the on/off road drive. I’d say the biggest difference in your test came in the second one. The amount of dirt kicked up in Nitro was significant compared to the FCPs. They just have better planting to ground. Thanks for the testing!
I have the nitrogen gas on Nissan Np300. 130,000 miles on them and no leaks or fade over those miles. A lot of highway use but when used off-road, a lot of high speed washboards. The best!! The OEM gave up at 30,000 miles lol.
Nice one mate. Just got the foam cell basic on my Mazda BT 50 today. Changed over from stock and a massive difference on the drive home. Great gear and great review.
@AdventureBuilt Since the IronMan 4x4 - Foam Cell Pro shocks is a twin tube but a mega beefy twin tube shocks with a large 45mm piston. Compare to bilstein B6/4600 shocks are monotube with also massive 46mm piston. Which shocks are better? Which rides better? Which one handles better? Which one has better bodyroll reduce? What’s the price difference? What is the warranty for the Foam Cell Pro? Where as bilstein 4600 had a lifetime warranty? And since 4600 are great for not only for mild off-road, but also great for daily use. Can the IronMan 4x4 - Foam Cell Pro is great for daily use, and not use for off-road? And what is the price difference? Let say on 5th gen Toyota 4Runner.
So I can get into to all those details but I will tell you this. My brother has 155k miles on his original Ironman 4x4 Foam Cell Pro kit and it is just now showing signs of age. On the good side Foam Cell Pro shocks are completely rebuildable. Bilstein has a lifetime warranty but are not rebuildable so when they are done, they are done. If I had to by any of my suspensions again I would buy Ironman Foam Cell pro. That being said I have never owned a bilstein 4600 kit for my Tacoma so I can’t make any side by side comparisons. Hope this is helpful.
@@AdventureBuilt how long would it take to get them rebuild? And what’s the cost per shocks? And are they better that they are rebuild able than swap for a new ones?
Love this kit...I got the stageII pro with foamcell shocks right from the start. Was around April of last year when I purchased the kit and had no issues with it at all. The Tacoma is loaded with overland gear so there is weight to it...I opt for the HD constant load leaf springs....and those do squeak a little....but nothing bad.
I'm getting the idea that the ride quality is probably the same, but the Foam Cell have more stamina and don't overheat as easily, and probably last longer.
Just got my ironman stage 2 lift today and im not very impressed with the powder coating it chips pretty easily. But we shall see how they perform when installed
do you rub at all with those 35's? i have the ironman nitrogen stage 2 full kit, currently running 33's, thinking on going 35s, what did you do to fit those 35s?
I made an entire video on everything I had to do to clear the 35’s if you want all the details. Basically I did a cab mount relocate, trimmed a lot of plastic fender and liner then I took a big hammer and flattened the pinch seam.
Not sure if you guys went over this but with this particular lift should I do the driveshaft drop and add the brake line extensions? I do plan on keeping this truck for a while. Thanks..
Hello, GREAT video! You have sold me on the Nitro Gas Stage 2 kit for my 2012 Nissan Pathfinder (R51). Unfortunately, I do not have many options, but these look perfect for my needs. I have a question about the actual lift from the kits. For my Nissan, the estimated lift is 1.5". For your Taco, the Ironman 4x4 America site says the Nitro Gas is estimated at 2". Do you feel the height estimate is high, low or about right? Also, did you install the Medium or Heavy Load? Please share your thoughts. Thanks for a great video.
Thank you so much. There isn’t a lot of adjustment that I remember with the Nitro shocks, I want to say that there is a sleeve you can add to get more lift in the front. It has been a while since I did that lift. Sorry I can’t be more help. The Foam Cell Pro’s are fully adjustable with the Coil Rings and I used the heavy duty rear springs because of all the weight in the back.
I watched your video about FCP last month. now I decided to get it. and tomorrow my FCP will be install paired with 285/70r17 wheels and tires. I hope better comfort than stock shock of holden colorado and can handle good in bumpy(corrugated) roads.
Im buying this mostly to replace oem from 2008 xterra. Here in ksa we usually drive fast mostly 120km/h on highway. Will this make my ride quality better??
I have never been disappointed with Ironman but know a lot of people that run Dobinson without complaints. Personally I would go Ironman Foam Cell Pro.
I was wondering what size tires and wheels are you running on your Tacoma now and high how of a lift do you have as we’ll so your tires are not rubbing while off roading ? Just bought a 2021 TRD off road and it is all so stock. I definitely want to upgrade but it’s gunna take a lot of saving money and patience. Anyways I could use some advice before I start upgrading 🧐
Congrats on the new truck. Tires are BFG KM3 35x12.5r17. Wheels are Method 701 17” 0 offset. Lift is Ironman 4x4 Foam Cell Pro Stage 2 total lift is just over 2.5”. You still have to do a cab mount chop or relocate and some fender trimming. I have a video on the Adventure Built TH-cam channel on all of the details. Check it out.
Super squeaky suspension. I have the full Ironman Foam Cell Pro suspension with medium leaf springs on my 2011 Tundra and no squeaks. Are you running stock leaf springs?
Hey guys, thanks for the tips on the rear shocks. I was running into the trouble of not having enough thread to install the upper end. I'll give your suggestion a try! Take care
I can’t speak to Dobinson since I’ve never ridden in a rig running them. I can say that the Ironman Foam Cell Pros are awesome. I run them on the Tacoma and my FJ80 and Trevor runs them on his 4Runner and GX460. That says a lot about their performance and reliability.
thinking of upgrading my ford ranger shocks. i am using it mainly for highway commuting with occasionally loads of 300-500 kg. any thoughts? very minimal offroading.
I would say it’s a bit overkill for minimal off-roading however they would be awesome either way. I say send it! It will be a great ride and you won’t have any issues with your shocks. Win...win.
I’m not sure that there is a measurement since it really depends on the weight of your vehicle. What it did was measure my stock suspension uncompressed out of the vehicle and assembled the new coil over and added about 3” to the overall length. I planned on having to adjust it once I got the weight of the vehicle on them but the overall height was just over 2.5”ish. It sat right for my 35’s. Hope this helps. I know, not scientific at all 😂😂😂😂
Hi there! That’s really awesome!!!! . I am planning to upgrade shock absorber from stock to ironman FCP for my fj40 land cruiser and i already got the fit product model of fcp for my fj40 . It's just weird because I don't see anyone using fcp for they fj40 or for the vehicle with 4 leaf springs. I often see the upgrades of fcp to the coiled spring vehicles. Do you think it’s worth it if i choose fcp over the common upgrades for this type of vehicle such as ome, rancho , Robinson, tough dog etc. swear i don’t see any reviews or video when it comes to fj40 or with the 4 spung vehicle. Aesthetically, i love the fcp. But i am worried if it will be worth it . Can you give me some advise . Thank you so much.
Hey. Thank you. I would say the FCP are always worth it. They handle the heat and extended use abuse much better than nitrogen shocks. Plus they are rebuildable which is a huge plus. I would say go for it.
Hi Kelly you have great videos I have a question on which foamcell kit I should go with I have a 2017 Toyota Tacoma TRD OFFROAD with a 6 inch lift with 35 inch tires and if you have a shop you could recommend I live in the West valley
Thank you so very much. Wow a 6” lift. That is tall. I would go with the Ironman 4x4 Stage 2 Foam Cell Pro kit. You can get just shy of 3” with the kit. Don’t know if you have a cab mount chop or relocate but you will definitely need one for the 35’s. I don’t have a shop. I do all my own work. Keeps me dirty!!!hahaha.
I'm looking at getting the Eibach system. You didn't (or I couldn't find) mention in any videos on how you got 35's under your truck. Didn't look like you changed your upper or lower arms. How'd you make that work?
Hey man. So I went as high as I could get on the Eibach front coil over then added a 1”block to the stock rear leaf springs. Also had to do a cab mount relocate and a bunch of inner fender prep and trimming. Wasn’t easy but it worked.
@@AdventureBuilt .. Hey boss, I appreciate your response. One last thing, .. did you also have an offset for your wheels & if so what was it? Thanks. JA
@@LongSpark1 hey sorry for the delayed response. My offset is 0 but if I could I would get the -12mm offset. It would kick my tire out 3/4” which would be perfect.
I have the foam cell pro S2 kit on my 2020 Off-Road also. I’ve had it a year and it’s been very good. Not sure why but it’s eating through my top hats, I’m replacing them this weekend. What spec coils and leaves did you go with? Great looking truck.
Thank you very much. In the front I got the constant load and in the rear I got the constant load. I knew I was going to be heavy. Not sure why they would be eating your top hat. Very weird.
I did the Foam Cell Pros/SPC uca/ metal tech rear upper and lower links/extended sway bar links/bushings etc. on my 99 Lexus LX470. This system is pretty stout and I was very proud of it until watching a clip from 4XOverland (Andrew St. Pierre) and he basically said the new IM stuff is much better than before(apparently some sort of business change over??) but that it was still cheap!! I'm just wondering why Ironman4x4 is not getting all the attention that Fox/Icon/King/Bilstein get. I think some products are over marketed like all the remote res. systems which most people including me, don't NEED. I went with IM because the shock sizes were the biggest w/o going remote res.
I agree that they are not getting the props that they are deserved. I think they might be in need of a little different branding. I don’t think it’s helping there cause. I have purposely not bought a rear tire bag from Ironman because I didn’t want their muscle man logo facing out. Not too cool, imho!!!
The ONLY way to tell the true difference between how two shocks perform is to put them on a dyno. You will see both rebound and compression dampening characteristics on a chart vs you telling yourself it’s better because your convinced it’s an upgrade.
When you changed from the stock bilstein suspension to the ironman nitro kit did it still ride the same on road or did it feel to solid and kinda beats you up in the truck? Or was it softer but planted
Going from the Eibach Kit the Ironman kit was definitely different. The Ironman kit is a bit stiffer but I have it set for the bumpers I’m about to install. I carry a ton of weight in the Tacoma and the suspension does a great job of managing when loaded down. However when I get hone it is a little stiff. Honestly though I’m very picky. My wife doesn’t even notice the difference.
@@AdventureBuilt ok awesome thank you yeah I'm asking because of my wife too she hisses at me if I hit a pot hole or a bump so I'm looking for something soft but planted
How do you like the foam cell pros so far? I’m about to order the stage 2 kit foam cell kit. Are you running the 2.5” lift springs in the front or the 3”?
Probably won't be relevant for a while, but when the time comes please consider making a video on the process of rebuilding the foam cell pros. There doesn't seem to be a vid out there, and it would be a great resource to have.
@@AdventureBuilt Appreciate the feedback. Unfortunately, the original coilovers are shot, so I'm debating between buying a new set to stay OEM or the Ironman FCP. I've heard a lot of great things about the FCP, with particular praise for their utility on the PNW terrain. I'd just hate to downgrade.
@@xylology_est2018 then definitely go with the FCP. They are awesome. Haven’t had any issues with them at all. Let me know how you like them compared to the Fox shocks.
@@Pratik2126 honestly I think that they keep the suspension setup stiff to make the ride more responsive on road. A lot of people the run king shocks complain about a lot of body roll at high speed road driving. The Ironman is great on the road and highway. It has great response to slower off road travel. I don’t do high speed travel anyway.
I am about to install stage two I really like the input from your video I noticed there’s a lot of squeaking I wonderful Teflon would help? Very nice truck you have I also have the White knuckle Offroad sliders and love them
Very cool. I really like the stage 2 kit. I don’t know if you can really do anything about the squeaking. It’s mostly the leaf pack. I don’t know what I would do without the white knuckle sliders. They have saved my ass for sure.
I noticed you had a squeak in them for both the form cell Pro and the nitrogen. have you figured out that squeak or are you just living with that squeak? I have the foam cell pros and they squeak on me and it’s starting to get a little annoying
Hey man. So the squeak is actually in the rear leaf spring pack and I only hear it once in a while. Much less then in other Tacoma’s. If it is crazy annoying to you, pull the spring pack apart, clean each leaf spring really good. Treat any rust then reassemble. Don’t use a lubricant, it will only attract dirt and dust to make it squeak again. Hope this helps. Best of luck.
I don’t have any experience with the Tough Dog Suspension but you definitely won’t be disappointed with the Ironman 4x4 Foam Cell Pro Stage 2. It has ring adjustability and is completely rebuildable. Not to mention super high quality and a great ride.
@@AdventureBuilt oh is that so man ? Right now the only upgrade i have done for the fortuner is thr wheels. Running on 265-50-20, monsta all terrains but on stock suspensions.My very first option on upgrading suspensions was to Ironman. There’s a lot of suspensions. But they say you can never go wrong with Australian suspensions.
I'd love to see a video on how to adjust the ride height. I was under the impression the rings just adjusted the preload compression. Maybe that's interchangeable with height. I'm still learning. Thanks for this video.
I can definitely do a video on it but it might be a bit. The ring will change ride height as well as preload. The two go hand in hand as far as I know. However I am definitely not a pro so if anyone knows better. Adjusting the ring higher on the shock compresses the spring more to increase ride height and preload. The drawback with the extra clearance is you can get to a point where you end up with too much preload and you get a hop instead of a decompression. It’s really noticeable on high speed bumps. Like hitting a sharp speed bump in a parking lot. I hope this helps.
@@AdventureBuilt how do you like the foam cell kit? I'm trying to find a place to install them here in socal and a couple places told me they don't touch Ironman suspensions, because they have a lot of issues, honestly I haven't seen anything related to that in any of the GX/4runners forums
Nice set up guys thinking of same for my tacoma SR was wondering what weight setting did u go with on ur front coil overs as well as the rear weight rating if u don't mind me asking. I would like to with 3" lift ....any input would be helpful..thanx......PS do u have a code # for the stage 2 setup
Thank you very much. I have the Ironman 4x4 Foam Cell Pro Stage 2 front 2.5” Lift Constant Load 110-220LBS....Rear Constant Load 440LBS-GVM. I wish they made a 3” spring in the constant load.
Definitely not the best suspension for high speed travel. It is a great all around suspension. It does great in every condition that I have thrown at it.
I have a 2019 4runner and would love to run the nitro gas with my stock springs (I want to keep my 265s). how much lift do you receive from the trim packer? I see its a 2:1 ratio with the 15mm packer but how much does this actually equate to lift on the vehicle? Will this make it level or ad more than an inch?
Dude that is funny. I had to google what a trim packer is. I used full coil over replacements so never used a trim packer that I know of. Sorry my friend.
Awesome can't wait to get my foam cell pros I've been waiting since June to receive mine but looks like it will be worth the wait! I'm replacing my bilstein 6112s and 5160s.
Do you have any update of how the foam cells compare to the 6112/5160? I’m pretty torn between those two options and curious about the pros and cons of each kit and which you would recommend having owned both.
@@AdventureBuilt I do like. I have a 21 Taco with the Stage 2 Pro Foam Cell kit as well only sporting 33"s at the moment. So I have to ask how the front rides on yours? Mine rides super stiff. The comparison test with the speed bumps made me cringe as my rides like a rock over speedbumps the faster the worse it is. It bounces when it hits coming off the bump. Going to have it checked out by a shop when I get it re-geared in a few weeks.
@@scottmiller7262 hey Scott. How much lift did you get out of your kit and do you have a winch bumper. I set mine a little high knowing that I’m about to install a front and rear bumper.
@@AdventureBuilt I had it setup for 3 inches of lift. Thinking about a bumper and winch setup as well but didn't even think about going a little taller to help offset for the extra weight when I installed it. Love the vid's keep them coming.
Can anyone comment on how the top out/ full extension is on the foam cells? Having a lot of issues with my ome nitro chargers up front. Very harsh top out.
@@AdventureBuilt Yeah the slow stuff isn’t the issue for me. It’s moving a bit master. Not racing but even speed bumps faster than 5mph or a pot hole at driving speed. Just too much lift and not enough down travel.
@@Intentsrig yea that is a hard one. Before I got my front bumper and winch I had a lot of hop in the front since I set up the springs for the heavier weight. It was annoying going over speed bumps because it wouldn’t absorb it would kind of hop over. Didn’t have any topping out or anything harsh. I know the Foam Cell Pros have built in bump stop but I don’t know if they have anything on the top end.
Yea I would love to test every kit out there. The hardest part is comparing kits side by side. Every truck is setup different and makes a difference to the ride quality.
They are very similar and I think the Foam Cell Pros are just a bit smoother. The real difference is that they are rebuildable and handle fade better. Long term they will work better and last longer.
In this time I was running Toyo MT 35x12.5r17. Now I am running the BFG KM 35x12.5r17. They have held up much better than the Toyo in my opinion. They are also quieter.
@@dannyeugenewaits9486 absolutely. The wheels are Method 701’s Trail Series. 17” with a 0 offset. However in my application I would have rather gotten -12mm.
If you keeping stock your vehicle means to say without adding permanent load such as winch , bumper , or something else do not install IronMan4x4 your ride quality will be very rough
No it means you select the right spring for the weight you will be set up with most. A spring for 110 220 lbs constant load will run rumough without steel bumper winch. If you don't run that stuff select the no additional load spring and it will not ride rough.
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It wasn't until the final couple of minutes that the presenter touched on 'the difference' between the IRONMAN FOAM CELL PRO SHOCKS and the NITROGEN SHOCKS. The Ironman Foam Cell Pros are constructed to maintain their performance for extended periods over rough (corrugated) roads at speed. They are constructed to stay cooler and significantly inhibit internal oil foaming (cavitation). They are more robust in construction, they are a 'performance shock'.
The Nitrogen Shocks perform just as well, (the same) until they are put under prolonged pressure at sustained high speed over rough roads. If you are driving on sealed highways with only very occasional off-roading the Nitrogen Shocks are fine, the extra cash outlay is maybe not necessary.
What about foam cells? How are they different to nitro shocks?
Thanks brother for this, will definitely use the extra cash towards Upper control arm.😂
@@aounsflock2071???😅???
The foam is a volume compensator. As the shock shaft moves into the shock body, it displaces oil. That oil needs somewhere to go, without leaving a giant bubble in the oil. So either a floating piston (IFP) backed by nitrogen is used, or bladder, or foam, like these shocks use. While these different ways to compensate for volume can lead to slight differences in the ride, it's the internal valving that actually does the work.
Great explanation. Thank you.
Hands down one of the better channels out there! You'll be at the 50k subscriber mark soon with this type of content! Keep it up!
That is awesome. Thank you so very much!!!!
Thank you for the nice comparison. This was a lot of work for you. Thank you.
From what I understand, the Foam Cell Pros excel in long range distance traveling off road. Unlike nitrogen shocks, the oil inside does not foam up as a result the shocks maintain the same performance through out the trip off road. Nitrogen shocks on the other hand, loose performance long range travel off road.
I have the FCP stage III and love the on/off road drive. I’d say the biggest difference in your test came in the second one. The amount of dirt kicked up in Nitro was significant compared to the FCPs. They just have better planting to ground. Thanks for the testing!
Thanks man.
I have the nitrogen gas on Nissan Np300. 130,000 miles on them and no leaks or fade over those miles. A lot of highway use but when used off-road, a lot of high speed washboards. The best!! The OEM gave up at 30,000 miles lol.
How is the comfort in city drive versus oem?
It's a firm ride, but not bouncy. It's good big potholes but on small potholes it's gonna shake a little
@@DellCvz oem is comfy but bouncy. Thinking of getting nitrogas or OME
Nice one mate. Just got the foam cell basic on my Mazda BT 50 today. Changed over from stock and a massive difference on the drive home. Great gear and great review.
Thank you so very much and I’m glad you are enjoying it!!!
I’ve been waiting so long for this review! I read a couple of months ago you were getting them in a comment. Glad to see the differences!
Well I hope it was helpful. I know I’m not the most articulate person 😂😂😂😂. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Just got the Foam Cell! (EFC). Really happy using them, especially with rough roads.
Yea they are my favorite suspension for sure!!!
@AdventureBuilt
Since the IronMan 4x4 - Foam Cell Pro shocks is a twin tube but a mega beefy twin tube shocks with a large 45mm piston.
Compare to bilstein B6/4600 shocks are monotube with also massive 46mm piston.
Which shocks are better?
Which rides better?
Which one handles better?
Which one has better bodyroll reduce?
What’s the price difference?
What is the warranty for the Foam Cell Pro? Where as bilstein 4600 had a lifetime warranty?
And since 4600 are great for not only for mild off-road, but also great for daily use.
Can the IronMan 4x4 - Foam Cell Pro is great for daily use, and not use for off-road?
And what is the price difference?
Let say on 5th gen Toyota 4Runner.
So I can get into to all those details but I will tell you this. My brother has 155k miles on his original Ironman 4x4 Foam Cell Pro kit and it is just now showing signs of age. On the good side Foam Cell Pro shocks are completely rebuildable. Bilstein has a lifetime warranty but are not rebuildable so when they are done, they are done. If I had to by any of my suspensions again I would buy Ironman Foam Cell pro. That being said I have never owned a bilstein 4600 kit for my Tacoma so I can’t make any side by side comparisons. Hope this is helpful.
@@AdventureBuilt how long would it take to get them rebuild? And what’s the cost per shocks?
And are they better that they are rebuild able than swap for a new ones?
Have you been happy with the Ironman forged UCA's? good alignment numbers?
They have been great. No alignment issues at all. Super solid.
@@AdventureBuilt awesome! Thanks for the reply
Love this kit...I got the stageII pro with foamcell shocks right from the start. Was around April of last year when I purchased the kit and had no issues with it at all. The Tacoma is loaded with overland gear so there is weight to it...I opt for the HD constant load leaf springs....and those do squeak a little....but nothing bad.
Nice man. They are pretty awesome. It’s funny I thought my kit squeaked a lot but I heard a lot worse in Moab. I’m glad yours is still going strong.
I'm getting the idea that the ride quality is probably the same, but the Foam Cell have more stamina and don't overheat as easily, and probably last longer.
Exactly.
Just got my ironman stage 2 lift today and im not very impressed with the powder coating it chips pretty easily. But we shall see how they perform when installed
Oh wow. My has held up so good. Hopefully it’s just a minor thing!
Wouldn’t it be closed cell foam?
do you rub at all with those 35's? i have the ironman nitrogen stage 2 full kit, currently running 33's, thinking on going 35s, what did you do to fit those 35s?
I made an entire video on everything I had to do to clear the 35’s if you want all the details. Basically I did a cab mount relocate, trimmed a lot of plastic fender and liner then I took a big hammer and flattened the pinch seam.
Do you have a long term review on Ironman shocks?
My long term review is they are awesome. I have had mine for 20k miles and no issues. Trevor has 110k on his Foam Cell Pros and still going strong.
Not sure if you guys went over this but with this particular lift should I do the driveshaft drop and add the brake line extensions? I do plan on keeping this truck for a while. Thanks..
I didn’t do either one and haven’t had any issues. Maybe the brake line extension if you start getting a lot of flex!
Hello, GREAT video! You have sold me on the Nitro Gas Stage 2 kit for my 2012 Nissan Pathfinder (R51). Unfortunately, I do not have many options, but these look perfect for my needs. I have a question about the actual lift from the kits. For my Nissan, the estimated lift is 1.5". For your Taco, the Ironman 4x4 America site says the Nitro Gas is estimated at 2". Do you feel the height estimate is high, low or about right? Also, did you install the Medium or Heavy Load? Please share your thoughts. Thanks for a great video.
Thank you so much. There isn’t a lot of adjustment that I remember with the Nitro shocks, I want to say that there is a sleeve you can add to get more lift in the front. It has been a while since I did that lift. Sorry I can’t be more help. The Foam Cell Pro’s are fully adjustable with the Coil Rings and I used the heavy duty rear springs because of all the weight in the back.
Any issues with spit sag? Over time, I have my order placed for nitrogen kit for my 4runner. I head a few complaints on sag occurring.
Non at all. You should be totally fine.
Appreciate the kind words and feedback, Guys! 💪
Well deserved!!! Thank you guys!!!
I have been eyeing this kit for a while and I’m just curious about the $1000 price increase on the TOY066BBKPS2P kit in a little over a year?
I watched your video about FCP last month. now I decided to get it. and tomorrow my FCP will be install paired with 285/70r17 wheels and tires. I hope better comfort than stock shock of holden colorado and can handle good in bumpy(corrugated) roads.
Awesome man. You will not be disappointed!!!
Im buying this mostly to replace oem from 2008 xterra. Here in ksa we usually drive fast mostly 120km/h on highway. Will this make my ride quality better??
Absolutely
Ironman foam cell pros or IMS Dobinsons? I’m choosing between the two. Pls help!
I have never been disappointed with Ironman but know a lot of people that run Dobinson without complaints. Personally I would go Ironman Foam Cell Pro.
Have you guys tried the all dogs kuni 82 setup? How does it compare to ironman foam cell?
Never even heard of them. Sorry.
I was wondering what size tires and wheels are you running on your Tacoma now and high how of a lift do you have as we’ll so your tires are not rubbing while off roading ? Just bought a 2021 TRD off road and it is all so stock. I definitely want to upgrade but it’s gunna take a lot of saving money and patience. Anyways I could use some advice before I start upgrading 🧐
Congrats on the new truck. Tires are BFG KM3 35x12.5r17. Wheels are Method 701 17” 0 offset. Lift is Ironman 4x4 Foam Cell Pro Stage 2 total lift is just over 2.5”. You still have to do a cab mount chop or relocate and some fender trimming. I have a video on the Adventure Built TH-cam channel on all of the details. Check it out.
Nice job. So what I'm getting is that the foamcells are a little bit better but rebuildable. The rebuildable aspect might help justify the extra cost.
Completely agree also I think they run harder longer. We spent up to 12 hours on trail in Moab pushing the trucks hard and they didn’t fade at all.
Super squeaky suspension.
I have the full Ironman Foam Cell Pro suspension with medium leaf springs on my 2011 Tundra and no squeaks. Are you running stock leaf springs?
No I have the Ironman leaf springs with the Ironman add-a-leaf. It is a little squeaky but I barely hear it in the truck. Thankfully.
Hey guys, thanks for the tips on the rear shocks. I was running into the trouble of not having enough thread to install the upper end. I'll give your suggestion a try! Take care
How much is the total lift of the vehicle from the front , and how much i can adjust the hight from the shock it self
How would this compare to Dobinsons IMS which also seems pretty beefy?
I can’t speak to Dobinson since I’ve never ridden in a rig running them. I can say that the Ironman Foam Cell Pros are awesome. I run them on the Tacoma and my FJ80 and Trevor runs them on his 4Runner and GX460. That says a lot about their performance and reliability.
So compared to the nitro’s was there any difference in ride quality on the street? Firmer ride ?
On the street there was almost no difference.
thinking of upgrading my ford ranger shocks. i am using it mainly for highway commuting with occasionally loads of 300-500 kg. any thoughts? very minimal offroading.
I would say it’s a bit overkill for minimal off-roading however they would be awesome either way. I say send it! It will be a great ride and you won’t have any issues with your shocks. Win...win.
How did you like the nitrogen kit. Thinking about ordering a set?
The Nitro kit is great but if you can swing the foam cell pro I would. It’s a better shock, rebuildable with built in bump stops. It’s pretty badass.
What are the measurements used for setting the spring height when assembling the strut ??
I’m not sure that there is a measurement since it really depends on the weight of your vehicle. What it did was measure my stock suspension uncompressed out of the vehicle and assembled the new coil over and added about 3” to the overall length. I planned on having to adjust it once I got the weight of the vehicle on them but the overall height was just over 2.5”ish. It sat right for my 35’s. Hope this helps. I know, not scientific at all 😂😂😂😂
Did the kit come with everything you need for install? Where there things missing or extra parts you had to buy?
No everything was in the kit. Didn’t have to buy anything extra.
Hi there! That’s really awesome!!!!
. I am planning to upgrade shock absorber from stock to ironman FCP for my fj40 land cruiser and i already got the fit product model of fcp for my fj40 . It's just weird because I don't see anyone using fcp for they fj40 or for the vehicle with 4 leaf springs.
I often see the upgrades of fcp to the coiled spring vehicles. Do you think it’s worth it if i choose fcp over the common upgrades for this type of vehicle such as ome, rancho , Robinson, tough dog etc. swear i don’t see any reviews or video when it comes to fj40 or with the 4 spung vehicle. Aesthetically, i love the fcp. But i am worried if it will be worth it . Can you give me some advise . Thank you so much.
Hey. Thank you. I would say the FCP are always worth it. They handle the heat and extended use abuse much better than nitrogen shocks. Plus they are rebuildable which is a huge plus. I would say go for it.
How do you like it? I am looking for FJ Cruiser lift. Did you get the heavy load capacity ones?
Hi Kelly you have great videos I have a question on which foamcell kit I should go with I have a 2017 Toyota Tacoma TRD OFFROAD with a 6 inch lift with 35 inch tires and if you have a shop you could recommend I live in the West valley
Thank you so very much. Wow a 6” lift. That is tall. I would go with the Ironman 4x4 Stage 2 Foam Cell Pro kit. You can get just shy of 3” with the kit. Don’t know if you have a cab mount chop or relocate but you will definitely need one for the 35’s. I don’t have a shop. I do all my own work. Keeps me dirty!!!hahaha.
@@AdventureBuilt any chance I could meet you and you could give me some advice and take a look at my truck to figure out the best option ?
@@blaisrusso4201 do me a favor and message me on IG. adventurebuilt_
I'm looking at getting the Eibach system. You didn't (or I couldn't find) mention in any videos on how you got 35's under your truck. Didn't look like you changed your upper or lower arms. How'd you make that work?
Hey man. So I went as high as I could get on the Eibach front coil over then added a 1”block to the stock rear leaf springs. Also had to do a cab mount relocate and a bunch of inner fender prep and trimming. Wasn’t easy but it worked.
@@AdventureBuilt .. Hey boss, I appreciate your response. One last thing, .. did you also have an offset for your wheels & if so what was it?
Thanks. JA
@@LongSpark1 hey sorry for the delayed response. My offset is 0 but if I could I would get the -12mm offset. It would kick my tire out 3/4” which would be perfect.
Hi does foam cells and foam cells pro provide same level of comfort?
Hello. Ironman only makes the Foam Cell Pro, it’s one and the same. Hope this helps.
I have the foam cell pro S2 kit on my 2020 Off-Road also. I’ve had it a year and it’s been very good. Not sure why but it’s eating through my top hats, I’m replacing them this weekend. What spec coils and leaves did you go with? Great looking truck.
Im down to this kit and a dobinsons kit...not sure which to go with
Thank you very much. In the front I got the constant load and in the rear I got the constant load. I knew I was going to be heavy. Not sure why they would be eating your top hat. Very weird.
I like the way y’all work the IFS so simple
On the 4Runner does it help with the nose dive when you hit the breaks? Also how much lift can you get up front using them on the 4Runner?
It definitely helps with the nose dive and anywhere from 2-3”.
I did the Foam Cell Pros/SPC uca/ metal tech rear upper and lower links/extended sway bar links/bushings etc. on my 99 Lexus LX470. This system is pretty stout and I was very proud of it until watching a clip from 4XOverland (Andrew St. Pierre) and he basically said the new IM stuff is much better than before(apparently some sort of business change over??) but that it was still cheap!! I'm just wondering why Ironman4x4 is not getting all the attention that Fox/Icon/King/Bilstein get. I think some products are over marketed like all the remote res. systems which most people including me, don't NEED. I went with IM because the shock sizes were the biggest w/o going remote res.
I agree that they are not getting the props that they are deserved. I think they might be in need of a little different branding. I don’t think it’s helping there cause. I have purposely not bought a rear tire bag from Ironman because I didn’t want their muscle man logo facing out. Not too cool, imho!!!
Where did you get your camper top?
Did you keep the foam cells at the 2.5 up front or did you adjust to get a 3 inch lift? I just installed my kit and was hoping for a bit more height.
I ended up with right around 2.75”.
What tire/rim size are you guys running on this truck?
The wheels are the Method 701 17” wheels with 0 offset. The tires are 35x12.5
The ONLY way to tell the true difference between how two shocks perform is to put them on a dyno. You will see both rebound and compression dampening characteristics on a chart vs you telling yourself it’s better because your convinced it’s an upgrade.
Or I can tell you how it feels to me. Whichever.
When you changed from the stock bilstein suspension to the ironman nitro kit did it still ride the same on road or did it feel to solid and kinda beats you up in the truck? Or was it softer but planted
Going from the Eibach Kit the Ironman kit was definitely different. The Ironman kit is a bit stiffer but I have it set for the bumpers I’m about to install. I carry a ton of weight in the Tacoma and the suspension does a great job of managing when loaded down. However when I get hone it is a little stiff. Honestly though I’m very picky. My wife doesn’t even notice the difference.
@@AdventureBuilt ok awesome thank you yeah I'm asking because of my wife too she hisses at me if I hit a pot hole or a bump so I'm looking for something soft but planted
Great Review guys 👍👍 thanks for sharing nice work 👍
The Vermonter
Thank you very much!!! Really appreciate it!!!
How do you like the foam cell pros so far? I’m about to order the stage 2 kit foam cell kit. Are you running the 2.5” lift springs in the front or the 3”?
I like them a ton. I built mine myself so I have them set to almost 3” and that is good clearance for 35”s.
Probably won't be relevant for a while, but when the time comes please consider making a video on the process of rebuilding the foam cell pros. There doesn't seem to be a vid out there, and it would be a great resource to have.
Will do.
Thats probably bcoz they have 3 years warranty and nobody ever needed to rebuild them ?
Drum brakes? What year is that truck, 1990?
Yea really. Toyota holding off the future! My 94 Land Cruiser has disc rear brakes.
Hey man, if you don't mind, what size tires you got here? About to order this suspension and love how your setup looks.
Thank you so much. I run 35” Toyo MT.
@@AdventureBuilt Thought so. I'd want to regear to run 35s but it looks so good
Thanks! I was thinking about a set of shocks and struts for a 2015 sequoia.
You definitely won’t regret it!!!
Do you think these are better than the pro fox shocks (2021 tacoma pro)? Considering swapping them out for the lift.
I think the Fox shocks are awesome. Unless you are looking for more lift I would keep the Fox shocks.
@@AdventureBuilt Appreciate the feedback. Unfortunately, the original coilovers are shot, so I'm debating between buying a new set to stay OEM or the Ironman FCP. I've heard a lot of great things about the FCP, with particular praise for their utility on the PNW terrain. I'd just hate to downgrade.
@@xylology_est2018 then definitely go with the FCP. They are awesome. Haven’t had any issues with them at all. Let me know how you like them compared to the Fox shocks.
Just ordered mine 👌🏾
How are the foam cell shocks on-road drivability, daily driving?
The are honestly awesome for everything, except high speed desert.
@@AdventureBuilt why are they not good in high speed desert? Could you please shed some light on this
@@Pratik2126 honestly I think that they keep the suspension setup stiff to make the ride more responsive on road. A lot of people the run king shocks complain about a lot of body roll at high speed road driving. The Ironman is great on the road and highway. It has great response to slower off road travel. I don’t do high speed travel anyway.
I am about to install stage two I really like the input from your video I noticed there’s a lot of squeaking I wonderful Teflon would help? Very nice truck you have I also have the White knuckle Offroad sliders and love them
Very cool. I really like the stage 2 kit. I don’t know if you can really do anything about the squeaking. It’s mostly the leaf pack. I don’t know what I would do without the white knuckle sliders. They have saved my ass for sure.
How is the ride is it rough?
Did you go with medium/might coils and leaf or did you go heavy???
another good video but I am a fan of the original logo, with the mountains more than the retro strips
Thank you very much and trying to change things up a bit.
You had me at foam cell pro and lost me at 1:52 with open cell foam.
The technology is solid. Trust me. Between Trevor and I we have 4 rigs running Foam Cell Pros. They absolutely rock!
I noticed you had a squeak in them for both the form cell Pro and the nitrogen. have you figured out that squeak or are you just living with that squeak? I have the foam cell pros and they squeak on me and it’s starting to get a little annoying
Hey man. So the squeak is actually in the rear leaf spring pack and I only hear it once in a while. Much less then in other Tacoma’s. If it is crazy annoying to you, pull the spring pack apart, clean each leaf spring really good. Treat any rust then reassemble. Don’t use a lubricant, it will only attract dirt and dust to make it squeak again. Hope this helps. Best of luck.
@@AdventureBuilt thanks for this but I feel like I hear it in the front and the back. I’ll keep poking around I guess
@@patrickdunford2363 try placing a gopro on a magnetic base and put it in all over and drive around. It might help. Best of luck.
Can you tell me which suspensions better for a fortuner 2018 ? Tough dog or Ironman foamcell?
I don’t have any experience with the Tough Dog Suspension but you definitely won’t be disappointed with the Ironman 4x4 Foam Cell Pro Stage 2. It has ring adjustability and is completely rebuildable. Not to mention super high quality and a great ride.
@@AdventureBuilt how’s the ride of your vehicle when you driving around the city man ?
Absolutely perfect. Honestly the tires have way more to do with ride quality than suspension on the road. Just my opinion.
@@AdventureBuilt oh is that so man ? Right now the only upgrade i have done for the fortuner is thr wheels. Running on 265-50-20, monsta all terrains but on stock suspensions.My very first option on upgrading suspensions was to Ironman. There’s a lot of suspensions. But they say you can never go wrong with Australian suspensions.
@@AdventureBuilt mannn when you installed the suspensions? Your vehicle height increased ? By how much? And when it increased is it noticeable?
I'd love to see a video on how to adjust the ride height. I was under the impression the rings just adjusted the preload compression. Maybe that's interchangeable with height. I'm still learning. Thanks for this video.
I can definitely do a video on it but it might be a bit. The ring will change ride height as well as preload. The two go hand in hand as far as I know. However I am definitely not a pro so if anyone knows better. Adjusting the ring higher on the shock compresses the spring more to increase ride height and preload. The drawback with the extra clearance is you can get to a point where you end up with too much preload and you get a hop instead of a decompression. It’s really noticeable on high speed bumps. Like hitting a sharp speed bump in a parking lot. I hope this helps.
@@AdventureBuilt Thanks for the info, I appreciate it!
@@AdventureBuilt how do you like the foam cell kit? I'm trying to find a place to install them here in socal and a couple places told me they don't touch Ironman suspensions, because they have a lot of issues, honestly I haven't seen anything related to that in any of the GX/4runners forums
Nice set up guys thinking of same for my tacoma SR was wondering what weight setting did u go with on ur front coil overs as well as the rear weight rating if u don't mind me asking. I would like to with 3" lift ....any input would be helpful..thanx......PS do u have a code # for the stage 2 setup
Thank you very much. I have the Ironman 4x4 Foam Cell Pro Stage 2 front 2.5” Lift Constant Load 110-220LBS....Rear Constant Load 440LBS-GVM. I wish they made a 3” spring in the constant load.
How do these perform at higher speeds of 50miles , looks like the rebound is slow .
Definitely not the best suspension for high speed travel. It is a great all around suspension. It does great in every condition that I have thrown at it.
@@AdventureBuilt are these better than icon 2.5 or dobinsons ims ?
I have a 2019 4runner and would love to run the nitro gas with my stock springs (I want to keep my 265s). how much lift do you receive from the trim packer? I see its a 2:1 ratio with the 15mm packer but how much does this actually equate to lift on the vehicle? Will this make it level or ad more than an inch?
Dude that is funny. I had to google what a trim packer is. I used full coil over replacements so never used a trim packer that I know of. Sorry my friend.
@@AdventureBuilt 5:02 you have a trim packer under the spring perch on the front coils.... did this result in any extra lift?
my SUV(Mahindra thar) is not listed on the ironman site for strut and rear dampers. how can find a compatible one, any input is appreciated
No idea, I would call Ironman in Australia and see if they make it. Hope this helps.
Get the MMG Thar kit or toughdog kit for that
Awesome can't wait to get my foam cell pros I've been waiting since June to receive mine but looks like it will be worth the wait! I'm replacing my bilstein 6112s and 5160s.
Well worth the wait.
Do you have any update of how the foam cells compare to the 6112/5160? I’m pretty torn between those two options and curious about the pros and cons of each kit and which you would recommend having owned both.
I assume it is the 2.5 to 3 inch lift ? What size tires are you running?
Yes and 35” Toyo MT. Do you like?
@@AdventureBuilt I do like. I have a 21 Taco with the Stage 2 Pro Foam Cell kit as well only sporting 33"s at the moment. So I have to ask how the front rides on yours? Mine rides super stiff. The comparison test with the speed bumps made me cringe as my rides like a rock over speedbumps the faster the worse it is. It bounces when it hits coming off the bump. Going to have it checked out by a shop when I get it re-geared in a few weeks.
@@scottmiller7262 hey Scott. How much lift did you get out of your kit and do you have a winch bumper. I set mine a little high knowing that I’m about to install a front and rear bumper.
@@AdventureBuilt I had it setup for 3 inches of lift. Thinking about a bumper and winch setup as well but didn't even think about going a little taller to help offset for the extra weight when I installed it. Love the vid's keep them coming.
Great vid! Does iron man give you directions where to set the lock rings for ride height on initial install?
Thank you very much. Yes there are directions to set the ride height.
Awesome video, thanks 💐
You are so very welcome!!!!
Beefier doesn’t mean better but the design and engineer is definitely better or sounds better. Maybe a 3D video on how it works..
Toughdog vs ironman foam cell pro which is better?
I honestly have no experience with Toughdog.
was your foamcell pro medium load or heavy load?
I have the heavy load because of the front bumper and winch.
Can anyone comment on how the top out/ full extension is on the foam cells? Having a lot of issues with my ome nitro chargers up front. Very harsh top out.
I’ve had full extension at super slow speeds and no problems. The Foam Cell Pros are great.
@@AdventureBuilt Yeah the slow stuff isn’t the issue for me. It’s moving a bit master. Not racing but even speed bumps faster than 5mph or a pot hole at driving speed. Just too much lift and not enough down travel.
@@Intentsrig yea that is a hard one. Before I got my front bumper and winch I had a lot of hop in the front since I set up the springs for the heavier weight. It was annoying going over speed bumps because it wouldn’t absorb it would kind of hop over. Didn’t have any topping out or anything harsh. I know the Foam Cell Pros have built in bump stop but I don’t know if they have anything on the top end.
The foam cells are also 2.5 where the nitrogen are 2.0. I would be curious to see a 2.5 with external reservoirs vs foam cell and see how they compare
Yea I would love to test every kit out there. The hardest part is comparing kits side by side. Every truck is setup different and makes a difference to the ride quality.
Can you compare with stock shock absorbers?
Unfortunately I can’t because as soon as you lift a vehicle it will change how it drives. It’s too different to compare. Sorry.
Foamcell vs bilstein 4600? Which is better?
Is there a difference between these 2 when it comes to off road comfort?
They are very similar and I think the Foam Cell Pros are just a bit smoother. The real difference is that they are rebuildable and handle fade better. Long term they will work better and last longer.
@@AdventureBuilt ok thank you! FCP it is
What’s up with the squeaks?? It’s normal?
It’s my rear leaf pack. I got some sand in there and have a little squeak. Pretty normal for Tacoma’s. Unfortunately.
Hey Kelly! Awesome video, just wondering what do you and Travis do for a living?
Hello and thank you. Trevor is an aircraft traffic controller and I am in Law Enforcement.
Does he work at Prescott tower?
You’re not in LE, you mop up floors in adult theaters
@@2schmosatacarshow96 no Sean that is a hobby!!!
I really like iron man 4x4 they cater to Toyota and made right here in America
Surprised you guys didn’t mention internal bumpstop
Oh hell yea. Totally forgot about that.
what tires are you running? thanks
In this time I was running Toyo MT 35x12.5r17. Now I am running the BFG KM 35x12.5r17. They have held up much better than the Toyo in my opinion. They are also quieter.
What size wheels?
The wheels are the Method 701 17”with 0 offset running the BFG KM3 35x12.5
I wonder how these would compare to the Bilstein 6112??
I have no experience with the Bilstein 6112. Sorry.
Are you running 33s for tires?
No they are 35’s!
Can I ask what rims and are they 17 inch? What offset are they? I really like the look of your rig thanks!
@@dannyeugenewaits9486 absolutely. The wheels are Method 701’s Trail Series. 17” with a 0 offset. However in my application I would have rather gotten -12mm.
What size of tires do you have?
Toyo 35x12.5r17.
Thanks for replying they look good 👍
More wheel travel in the FCP. They're ideal in a Mog
Holly crap. Open cell. Not an xprt. Really.
If you keeping stock your vehicle means to say without adding permanent load such as winch , bumper , or something else do not install IronMan4x4 your ride quality will be very rough
No it means you select the right spring for the weight you will be set up with most. A spring for 110 220 lbs constant load will run rumough without steel bumper winch. If you don't run that stuff select the no additional load spring and it will not ride rough.
@@mattnauck2935 absolutely agree after analyzing .. thanks
There was no explanation of the foam cell.
Yea sorry. I’m definitely not an engineer when it comes to the technology. It’s more personal experience with each.
"Ironman sent us ..."
Foam cell pros are 2.8", not 2.5
Ok!
you freeze your thin mints, this is correct
Repeating of course..... a Leroy reference? 😂
Hahaha you know....LEROY JENKINS!!!!
awesome truck! i guess you did put better tires lmao
Thank you very much and sure did!!!!