42:33 stabbing into your skull. Like an implant? 43:22 A nerve implant that makes you see and feel things? be ok with messed up stuff and be a happy family??? To feel light and floaty similar to how cassie feels in the brazil ending? Pretty sure the parallel is evident.
Let's be honest, the best "ending" is the one where you use the bunny ears. When I read the avengers tangent, I felt like I was having a stroke. My brain was turning into faz-goo.
that was my favorite ending, it felt like Oswald’s family was finally at peace 😭I didn’t liked the ending where Oswald cuts off communication with his dad, it made me feel so bad for his dad because his dad works hard to try to get Oswald from living a boring summer. I also liked that we get more background about the time traveling and more info about the yellow rabbit
@@sweet_mielThat cut communication ending was so upsettingly believable. For as critical as I am of RttP’s writing, that sequence was very well done and actually made me upset (which I imagine was intended).
OKAY SO. Your hallucination theory is what makes the most sense. I don't know how I missed the first Deep-Pit description; to be fair, I was also half-watching some let's plays while I read it lmao. My friend Sean has had a Loop Theory since the game dropped; their theory is that the Bad Ending of the game is canon and Oswald's just been hallucinating since then, and the Best Ending is when Jake intervenes and gives him a happy memory to be trapped in (the pizza party). That could also explain how you get some endings in this book where you die before going into the pit; even that's part of the memory loop. I wonder if the "you're in someone else's memory" bit was supposed to tell us what Fritz was going through, since he's listed as the second to die in HW2 and Oswald sees one dead kid in the backroom? But idk. What I realized recently is that if time-travel happens, it means that this book CANNOT be in game-canon. The normal ITP discrepancies between the MCI and Oswald Incident become wayyy more of an issue if you throw out the Agony Hallucination idea, considering we know in the game the bodies were never found and ITP has them... definitely noticed. Also the definitive description of Five Children. I've seen people posit that Oswald is supposed to represent the sixth child, but that doesn't work; in this book, he directly states he only saw five children in the Party Room when the rabbit first attacked. In the game, we ALL can see six, and the game is ADAMANT that there were six what with all the minigames. So firstly this confirms that this book is not canon with the game; whether it's canon with Frights is still up for debate I guess?? I did notice that the phrase "half-a-dozen" was used to describe the Anti-Springtrap Avengers meeting so I wonder if that was a callback to the phrase that got everyone pissed five years ago. (Happy five years to ITP btw) Also you know that I'm not a GoldenCassidy believer, but I've talked to other GoldenCassidy believers and we've all kinda agreed that positing her as the receiver of Happiest Day is weird as fuck considering... the Happiest Day is extremely extremely obviously something to do with Crying Child. It ALSO doesn't have her as the fifth child brought to the back room; the fifth child brought in is a "he." We know from the Party Hat Ending that the kids die as soon as they get to the party room, so them being alive is just in the pixel-game. And HW2 implies that Golden Freddy Kid dies last. So is Cassidy the Happiest Day Receiver and NOT Golden Freddy? Is Cassidy Bonnie!Kid like in Silver Eyes? Is this Silver Eyes canon??? Cori's also convinced that "girl with curly hair" was supposed to refer to Susie, but seeing as Cassidy means "curly-haired" this does make this book the best evidence we have so far for girl!Cassidy!Victim EXISTING in the series. ...though, with the evidence being in FNAF Avengers: The Book, where you can "save" the Missing Children, IDK how canon we're supposed to take that. NOW about Eleanor: IS that Eleanor??? Because it really seems to be, it makes the most sense (and more sense than implying that it's Circus Baby).... BUT. It refers to the doll as having a red nose, and doesn't mention it being, like, fucking giant. Which implies to ME that it's a Plushbaby?? Is Eleanor a Plushbaby??? Was there just a Plushbaby cameo???? IDFK dude this book was wildin. Also found it interesting that they had Gabrielle as Chip's daughter. Not to start talking Real-World Genetics, BUT. If we go with her in-game appearance, she's... definitely not white like Chip is. She could be biracial though, and she could've been white in the graphic novel if they were going with that design. I personally think it would've been cooler if Mike was her dad, give him something more to do than be "the friend who plays skeeball," but maybe her game!design wasn't finalized by then and they did assume her graphic novel design was her canon appearance. Anyway. What a fucking book amirite - Connie
I really do think is a Plushbaby. They are always weirding around in every game they appear and we didn't pay much attention to it. Maybe this is a hint that "hey, they're not just random shit, there's something going on with them"
I feel like its apparent that the deaths shown in RTP are *not* the MCI at least as its established in the games continuity There are lots of reasons including the classic but probably retconned number of kids, but also the extremely consistent and almost certainly deliberate lack of Foxy, which would be strange if it was the MCI considering one of them is literally put inside of the guy(its not even like the concept of Foxy is so repulsive that Oz somehow removed him considering he has no reaction to the graffiti outside). As well as the less talked about fact that Jeff's Pizza, and by extension the old location, are on the opposite side of Utah that Hurricane is. This would be even worse if it is time travel, as the book states multiple times, since that would mean Afton didn't kill the kids, they were found immediately, Foxy literally wasn't there and neither was Fredbear, and that the guy who actually did it is not only not present for the other games in the timeline, but was also last seen hanging in a ball pit *at least* 30 years afterwards(cuz Tiktok) Now it could just not be time travel and be what RyeToast suggested but thats a coward's way out I like to call this incident the FCI, the Found Children Incident, The F can also stand for Foxy for 3 reasons 1. He's not there for some reason 2. Oz is always shown to be represented by Foxy 3. The whole thing kinda reminds me of Foxy Go Go Go, especially with Oz finding the kids on the third time while on the first 2 nights he's sees joy and cheer along with the guy who did it being Afton but clearly off(pink guy) and happy to show the world(and the Foxy) his lovely dead kids. The book repeats multiple times that the way to get to the kids is through a long narrow hallway just like in the minigame.
To your confusion for happiest day, all I’ve gotta say is Shattervictim. BV is still there even if he’s not the golden freddy masked child, BV’s the cake.
In regards to Cassidy, I don't take the HW2 death order as canon 100% mostly keeping in mind it's run by the mimic and Jeremy has a vr mask that implants the hallucination chip, but more than anything I think Cassidy receiving the cake last is supposed to imply she is what was widely believed to be CC in happiest day. What that means for the lore I have to look over, but at the very least: - Cassidy had the option to (and potentially) move(d) on, so vengeful Cassidy is unlikely if not impossible given male TYOSNHK pronouns - CC never received happiest day, so the fnaf world happiest day not existing holds more weight. He is still out there. - Cassidy is at least possessing some kind of bear. Nedbear, g Fred, psychic Fredbear... Who knows, really? - Cassidy had to have known the aftons. Her happiest day is at the fredbears William ran. At least one Afton knows her name (presumably Michael, maybe CC). I'm leaning towards her being Michael's friend, given both the logbook and the fact she died 2 years after CC in RTTP cannon. There's probably more though 😅
I think it was only 5 missing kids this time because you act as Charlie with Happiest Day so you’re basically the 6th kid. Even the yellow rabbit tries to put the 6th party hat on you. So I think it’s still 6 including Charlotte.
Even if it is just visions from agony, that could still be considered a time slip. Not full blown time traveling but a glimpse because of the supernatural. And agony and remnant have shown to do ridiculously overpowered things. Full blown Time travel isn’t out of the question in my opinion. Supernatural based time travel is fascinating. Fnaf being the mixture of supernatural and sci Fi it is fascinating to me.
I will say there is a non zero chance that until very late into development of …. I think i can only argue fnaf two. That scott didnt intend supernatural fantasy. He is apparently a scifi guy. So his initial intent could have been kids dead. Ai mad. Rather than kids ded bots haunted.
I mean...The Ballpit has the same outcome as UCN: An alternate reality made of combined/twisted memories, emotions, dreams, etc from the minds of spirits. Given TOYSNHK is able to revert time there, I wouldn't be shocked if the Ballpit just has odd forms of time.
The way you describe the book makes it sound like this Stanley parable esque adventure. Follow the normal story, or breach the narrative and make your own rules, and honestly that sounds so cool… despite the typical fnaf confusion
In my opinion, the five kids simultaneously disprove Frights Games and confirm the books are in the games' continuity. More damning than that, it unambiguously tells us Cassidy is an Andrew parallel in the games, and therefore the vengeful spirit. Tbh, I found the book really satisfying in terms of lore. These are the biggest questions the community had, answered. It also implies that Elizabeth's death happens earlier in the timeline than MCI, since the doll is clearly implied to be possessed, doing the bunny's (its father's) bidding. If we're following your agony/memory theory, hers are somehow mixed in as well, helping the bunny. Also, you compared it to Eleanor, but to me, it was more reminiscent of Ella
Soft take: It isnt necessarily a hallucination or time travel. It's like you said, Oswald is experiencing memories. It just seems like Oswald just isn't observing. He is able to control things. By finding the secret ending, it means Oswald interfered and changed events.
This actually goes extremely well with FuhNaff's timeline, that the way dead people move on is by going into a happy memory, or fixing a bad one. Oswald, like the puppet, is fixing the bad memories so they can be free.
It's like you're a part in Yellow Rabbit's play, you're a puppet made to fit a role. You can play along and let him be your father or you can wear the party hat, take the role of a missing child. He wants you to play your part
I feel like the new book having 5 kids is less an indicator of the new book being noncanon, and more an indication of the frights books not being 1:1 with the games
I’m VERY excited to see your Poppy Playtime video. I don’t think the creature in the new trailer is the prototype tho. Lots of evidence in the trailer and the name of the trailer suggest this new villain is Harley Sawyer. How he was betrayed by Playtime Co. and turned into a monster by them. He’s become one with technology and has been watching us through the camera system this whole time.
I don't understand the premise that this book isn't in the games. I think it's frightsgames biased to think what Frights gave us is what is in the games, when 5 dead kids fits perfectly in the games. If the interactive novels are indeed in the games, this story saying 5 kids died fits the games. Frights added Andrew. Nowhere in the games do we have any hints he exists. Cassidy, being the vengeful spirit is a perfectly reasonable explanation. Charlie was killed outside of the MCI so she was never grouped. Frights is about Andrew, the games are about Cassidy. It's clear as day if you look at all the evidence for Cassidy and the lack of evidence for Andrew.
Cassidy can't be the vengeful spirit though if this book is canon, because that means happiest day was for *her.* It means she moved on, we watched it. Whether you believe happiest day is happening during the fnaf 6 fire, or if you believe it never happened/nobody moves on, she groups HERSELF with the other kids. I find it hard to believe she'd befriend the other dead kids only to torture them in UCN. CC doesn't move on, and mike possessed his own corpse so I honestly believe he can't move on. Vengeful Afton (I believe vengeful mike, but you could make the argument of vengeful CC with his father killing in his name) makes more sense than a girl shown in this book to be at peace with her death.
My theory, Oswald is one of many kids being experimented on in the nightmare chambers. This is all a dream induced by agony/remnant. He mentioned Groundhog Day and Alice in Wonderland. This is “drug” induced hallucinations of nightmares he is forced to play out from memories of others. He’s just in the underground bunker this whole time.
I get that but also I think "oops, all agony!" is more a single person being haunted. I'm a time travel believer myself though, there are too many "you're trapped in the past and you continue to live" endings for it not to be that
I'm curious if the dream/hallucination/time-travel/AR/VR stuff is all just different ways into the "flipside", but no one in universe really knows that information since it's basically pugatory. I know Fnaf World isn't considered mainline canon anymore, but there are still a ton of themes that apply in modern FNAF so it could point to the direction Scott wanted to go. In FNAF World it's said "what happens in here effects out there" when talking about the flipside, and all of those things do effect what happens in reality even if it's in a small way, across all FNAF media. This even holds true in the FNAF movie, when Michael recieves cuts in the dream and still keeps them when he wakes up. It's more of a Real-world blending with the "Flipside" and causing issues, rather than 1 to 1 time-travel and such. Especially IF all the tales' books end up being canon in some way, because good god there is a ton of wacky dream/hallucination stuff affecting real life in those books (like dream spheres, lol).
a little off topic but you said dream spheres, and seriously everytime someone talks about the agony balls in the ball pit, the description sounds so similar to moon's dream spheres to me
Well now I have to go back and read Somnipohobia because it's starting to not sound so crazy anymore. We know moon is old as heck somehow too and the longer you stay in the worse it gets which happens a lot with all this stuff But yea even if its not specifically the flipside, I could see agony and remnant being some weird connection to limbo
Andrienne Kress wrote the Bendy books and probably gave us the best writing in the franchise. Absolutely no surprise to hear she knocked this one out of the park
at 19:38, as someone who hasn’t read the book yet, i genuinley had to stop and contemplate whether or not you were trolling… theres no way this is real lmao
As someone who has read the book, yes this happens. It's ALWAYS a game over/death though. My favourite one is springtrap/pitbonnie just mowing you down with a car
I got this book for Christmas, and I'm sitting there thinking, ok, this book will be simple it will tell us if the Into the Pit game is Gameline or if it's closer to the OG book. Proceeds to get evidence for Arcade Theory, Time Travel vs. Agony, Happiest Day Connections, Stichline, and 5 vs. 6 kids.
22:50 "This book seems to argue a lot for time travel actually being real" I mean... It's literally the one thing that happens over and over again in this book, so yeah...
Except it can't be literal time travel because the yellow thing exists so it seems to be some sort of pseudo time travel or a mandela effect where you're not actually time traveling but changing everyone's memories
@@nathanstruble2177 How is THAT what you got from all this. Dreams and hallucinations have been some of the most important plot points in the FNAF lore since the first game with golden freddy/ItsMe/old newspaper articles showing up. We know those hallucinations and dreams can effect reality, because they have done so multiple times in all fnaf content
I honesty hope the Into the Pit game gets a Sequel and/or Prequel where we play as either Oswald again or Oswald’s Dad or maybe that Gabriella girl. Something I always found Interesting is that Neither Foxy or Fredbear are anywhere in the Story of Into the Pit maybe if Into the Pit gets a Sequel and/or Prequel we could see Foxy or Fredbear, maybe even Both.
I loved cosy Ryley! I actually got chills when you read out that pit rabbit hole Alice in wonderland sequence, even while sick, you have a great reading voice
You said the Fnaf Avengers, which I understand it’s a joke! But the leaving timeline feels like a homage to “IT” now it’s not time travel but the same group of kids has to fight it in the past and their future, and while it could simply be a homage to it, it also feels like it could be evidence that this is in Os’ head the whole time! I know he is more of a Kaiju movie but “It” is technically a monster movie and would’ve came out before Into The Pit so it could be plausible that he saw the movie and it influenced how his brain interprets the pit. Just a thought I’m also sick, so if it makes no sense blame the brain fog lol 😂🤣 (Edit: Readability)
44:31 I rewatched Dawko's analysis of the Into the Pit short story from back in 2020, and he remarks that the book does not state how many kids there are, just that Oswald sees dead kids; yet, during your reading on Ryedoze, you said "half a dozen kids". Either Dawko forgot the amount, as he assumed to it be five like the games at the time, or this retelling is trying to line itself up better with the main series' MCI, while counting Oswald as the sixth kid.
The fact that they bothered to make it five kids instead of six and have it in a storage room instead of a party room, to me, implies that this book is supposed to be canon to the games since there is no reason to change the six from the original story and game to five like in the newspapers unless it was supposed to be canon to the continuity of the games. (Also I think Oswald is meant parallel to Charlie in the Happiest Day route)
@@HappyAxolotl24 that's what I thought too, it really has to be actual time travel right? No way there is a whole book of "lol I know everyone hated Dream Theory so I wrote a bunch of Dream Theory"
Time travel in general only works with 1 of 2 assumptions. 1. Free will does not exist because there is an ultimate authority who pre-made all events so future events can start later events. 2. Multverse theory. When you head back to the "past," you create a new branch timeline starting at a version of the point you were trying to reach with you existing.
@@RFDN0 Only if you aren't creative. I actually really miss wild scifi stories that had crazy stuff like time travel without jumping through a thousand hoops to make it "realistic science based". The only time I don't like time travel, is when it's just used to do something like retcon a major character death, and then it's never spoke of again. But just having wacky time stuff, wether that be supernatural or technology based, can be done in a ton of different ways besides the Marvel method and turn out fun. It's like a character having some kind of superhuman power (which FNAF has as well), it doesn't have to make sense in a realistic way, but it does need to make a good story.
43:39 Now they are all rabbits, one happy bunny family: Uhm...The Mimic With Vanessa and Gregory/Cassie? The post it room as well: One happy famiily at the table? All they needed to do was to put on a Vanny mask, (or similar accessory) and then they could all live in peace. (Could also be Glitchtrap - With the conciousness transference / - Compartementalising them out/tricking them into walk into its own prison/cell Seperate idea: Or Afton-esque Springtrap finally finding peace with both his "son" and his "Wife?" living together? Also...wouldn't this be Springtraps happiest day? - The pieces were in place for them - All Oz and the Mom needed to do, was put them back together (This was all achieved by them placing the bunny piece on their heads)
Time travel being a thing isn’t that far fetched. Fnaf is very sci Fi and supernatural, a time traveling ball pit doesn’t sound out of the question honestly. And honestly as a Zelda fan since basically birth, I heavily enjoy fucked up time travel. Welcome to the party.
From what you describe here, it reminds me of the Silent Hill Play Novel - where they take something with a linear plot and just say "but what if" at every juncture, and go to some really weird places with it.
@@SC-ec8xe People who are pagan or wiccan often celebrate Winter Solstice instead of Christmas, also it's not always the 21st if you're going by the actual solstice because the Gregorian calendar doesn't care about celestial patterns and the seasons
I still really like the theory that Oswald's one of the spirits in the ball pit, his memory of ITP is looping over and over, and the 3 Star game ending is like his happiest day. I think it makes the most sense, even though no part of this book makes sense lmao
When the leader of the Fnafvengers showed up and it was the Rabbit, I just assumed that Oswald's dad was the leader. It would explain why he's determined not to leave the town, and why there's a Freddy mask in the attic in the game
Honestly the theory that its all in Oswald's head makes sense to me. I find it weird that Oswald got bit pretty deep by the bunny but his dad didn't seem to notice. Only Oz sees it.
If "this is an agony hallucination" then any story could. IT's the "what if this is a simulation". No matter how much evidence there is for time travel or anything, there's no way to prove it's NOT a hallucination.
The point is that it CAN'T be time travel. Unless this book takes place in another timeline (which is unlikely since the book collection was made to be canon, besides the hints like having 5 children like in the games instead of 6), It's literally impossible. If Oswald can change the past, AND affect the present, So nothing in Fnaf would exist. Furthermore, the events are wrong. The children were not killed at the same time. There was no screaming and hysteria. Which makes no sense. Also, the Yellow Rabbit would have to exist in 1985 and be responsible for the MCI. Which doesn't make sense either. Nothing makes. The ONLY thing that makes sense is if this is an agony hallucination. This is not just a "dream theory", it is basically the only alternative.
@@coffe3136 Just wanted to mention that in one of the endings it’s implied that they weren’t killed at the same time. For context when the Yellow Rabbit gives Oswald a party hat and feels disconnected from his body(possibly due to experiencing someone else’s memory). When he enters the storage room in that route he only sees one dead kid. Not trying to confirm or debunk anything just wanted to mention this detail.
sounds like a fnaf multiverse which isn't a new concept I guess considering the silver eyes and games being two different worlds with many similarities
If it is, then it breaks so much of the pre-established lore that it isn't even worth theorizing anymore. I would say to operate as though it isn't until scott says otherwise.
@@themilkman7921 Personally I don't see it as canon. My main reason is there seem to be SO MANY throw away Easter eggs (e.g., GGY,) it's kind of hard to take it seriously as a legit game in the canon. My second reason is that according to the Scoot interview he had very little to do with this project, he even forgot it existed at some points, so that also doesn't help its credibility. It seems to just be a fun adaptation of one of the Fazbear Frights stories for the anniversary. For Return to The Pit, I have NO idea.
Rye, I think I'm not the only one concerned for your health. U have to rest and take care of yourself cuz u literally have three channels omg. Hope u can take a rest soon, it's okay en we're here for you!
43:16 this reminds me of when Cassy puts on the Vanny mask If we are to assume that into the pit is within the game’s timeline, our little time traveler should be around the same age as Gregory and Cassy I’m not sure how it could work as I haven’t read the book myself, however I do believe this is somehow related to the mimic virus.
@@gameslayer3976 Fun fact: That assumption started for the games as a result of Matpat asking Dawko if The Silver Eyes gave a year for the MCI during the final 2015 livestream on GTLive.
to simply explain it? No, it isn't. Oswald's word can't mean much as he isn't a fucking quantum physicist or a time lord. The Ballpit's power comes from the various spirits inside of it and their minds': memories, emotions and dreams all connected about Freddy's, producing the warped/exaggerated version we see. Given a single spirit worming its way into a dream can alter time partially, kinda obvious a larger pool of it can too. Think of the Ballpit as having a net at it's typical bottom, which when passed, forced Oswald into that exaggerated pocket space where his physical body is still there, but his "exaggerated" body enters 1985. It could explain stuff like the history altering in the minigame route, since that was the ballpit simply warping the entire place to be about Freddy's without memories of the MCI, which makes it a very modern yet entertaining place. (Which kinda canonises the idea Freddy's entire reputation is built on the MCI)
Here's my question: At 36:58, we establish there is no person in the suit, the rabbit is agony. But at 29:50, we talk about the scenario where we kill the rabbit with the springlocks. Would that kill something made of agony?
One day when I was stoned, I had this train of thought of the ball pit was actaully time travel. So in this thought, sister location happens. Mike gets scooped and starts looking for his dad. He then comes across the ball pit, travels back in time. Sees the mci, but can't do anything. So he wants to stop what happens but still a step behind. But that is why Mike gets fired for odor because he was already scooped with freddy spaghetti. I wish I would have recorded or wrote down these thoughts because weirdly enough I made it make sense. All threads had answers. Like f me, I solved fnaf but it includes a time traveling ball pit. This was years ago. Before into the pit game, ruin and others. So crazy.
i really think that the bunny ending is showing us that william fell in crazyness after his first springlock failure, in the silver eyes we see how he is crazy with the bunny mask so maybe that is where all of that is going to
23:15 what if the timetravel in this universe behaved like a "pocket dimension" or a time bubble of sorts. Its not a knew concept in sci-fi to have an isolated area where time behaves oddly
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My biggest hang up with the time travel options is that the MCI canonically just didn't happen that way. The kids weren't killed at the same time, and just went missing, so there wouldn't be any mass hysteria. (I could see this fitting the DCI, but obviously, the time doesn't match)
Am I the only one who heard the description of the bunny ears and thought about the Vanny mask, and how it injects a chip into your brain? And how nothing in ruin made sense either?
Security Breach is literally confirmed to be unbelievably incorrect from Scott's original plan, so everything around the Steel Wool era and beyond might actually just be completely wrong and fucked.
@@CottonArsonist Yup. So everything past SB and SB itself is either sort of right or terribly incorrect. And plus Cawthon said it was his fault that Steel Wool couldn’t get the story right, so for the next games, Scott said he’d do a much better job telling them what they have to do.
Random thought but... What if each of the retellings are ways of tying into some of the oddest untold bits of lore getting an elaboration. Like this book is trying to explain how the Happiest day event in FNAF3 happened? Also that this incarnation of Oswald might be Michael? Reference the bunny ears scene being a weird thought that some kids might have that if they didn't have siblings his "Bunny/Afton" Family would have been happy or if he gave in and just accepted his darker thoughts and sides to himself and falling to them instead of fighting them and his father? Random thoughts when sick from covid. XD
With the book saying that there's only 5, it reinforces your theory. If in Return to The Pit you are reliving the memories of the MCI, then Oswald might be taking the place of the 6th child.
How would you go about finding an editor? What is the process of going about that? Honestly I would love to somehow apply and make a sample video, I have done some graphic design work for twitch and would love to move forward with it! Another great podcast by the way! Always love hearing your thoughts. You've become my go to for fnaf content, it's super engaging!
Obviously, given time travel in general, you can stop the rabbit. In the game you are given the sixth party hat. You end up becoming the sixth victim. The rabbit ears are obviously a Vanni mask parallel. I've thought for a while that Vanessa never was Afton's actual daughter, but controlled by something like this.
I don’t know if Oswald astral projecting or whatever when he puts on the party hat is actually supposed to suggest that none of this is real. Recall that in the arcade game, we see Spring Bonnie put a hat on the fifth kid, after which the kid also loses control of themselves. I think when it happens to Oswald it might just be the same phenomenon, but in first person.
I FORGOR THE COLD OPEN 🤦 It was gonna be the FNAF avengers line
It was a head cold open
I think it’s less FNAF avengers and more FNAF loser’s club
The snot pushes thoughts out of the brain mercilessly
@@KelpieRiderno thoughts. Only warm chicken noodle soup, and soft blankie, to feel better.
I just saw this comment after making my own comment with basically the exact same joke
I’m turning my phone off
Swear full time youtubers have no immune system.
The unfortunate result of staying inside a lot
Rye has two small children. They're exposed to plenty.
vitamin d deficiency funny moments
Its that no sleep life
I mean, I don’t feel it’s particularly odd for someone with small kids to get sick at the time of year that basically EVERYONE gets sick but
"We got FNAF avengers before gta 6"
man...Scott is fucking with us
Hate that "joke"
42:33 stabbing into your skull. Like an implant? 43:22 A nerve implant that makes you see and feel things? be ok with messed up stuff and be a happy family??? To feel light and floaty similar to how cassie feels in the brazil ending? Pretty sure the parallel is evident.
Let's be honest, the best "ending" is the one where you use the bunny ears.
When I read the avengers tangent, I felt like I was having a stroke. My brain was turning into faz-goo.
that was my favorite ending, it felt like Oswald’s family was finally at peace 😭I didn’t liked the ending where Oswald cuts off communication with his dad, it made me feel so bad for his dad because his dad works hard to try to get Oswald from living a boring summer. I also liked that we get more background about the time traveling and more info about the yellow rabbit
Yeah, the fuck were the writers smoking?
@@sweet_mielThat cut communication ending was so upsettingly believable. For as critical as I am of RttP’s writing, that sequence was very well done and actually made me upset (which I imagine was intended).
@@MasterHand4444 agreed!
OKAY SO. Your hallucination theory is what makes the most sense. I don't know how I missed the first Deep-Pit description; to be fair, I was also half-watching some let's plays while I read it lmao. My friend Sean has had a Loop Theory since the game dropped; their theory is that the Bad Ending of the game is canon and Oswald's just been hallucinating since then, and the Best Ending is when Jake intervenes and gives him a happy memory to be trapped in (the pizza party). That could also explain how you get some endings in this book where you die before going into the pit; even that's part of the memory loop. I wonder if the "you're in someone else's memory" bit was supposed to tell us what Fritz was going through, since he's listed as the second to die in HW2 and Oswald sees one dead kid in the backroom? But idk.
What I realized recently is that if time-travel happens, it means that this book CANNOT be in game-canon. The normal ITP discrepancies between the MCI and Oswald Incident become wayyy more of an issue if you throw out the Agony Hallucination idea, considering we know in the game the bodies were never found and ITP has them... definitely noticed.
Also the definitive description of Five Children. I've seen people posit that Oswald is supposed to represent the sixth child, but that doesn't work; in this book, he directly states he only saw five children in the Party Room when the rabbit first attacked. In the game, we ALL can see six, and the game is ADAMANT that there were six what with all the minigames. So firstly this confirms that this book is not canon with the game; whether it's canon with Frights is still up for debate I guess?? I did notice that the phrase "half-a-dozen" was used to describe the Anti-Springtrap Avengers meeting so I wonder if that was a callback to the phrase that got everyone pissed five years ago. (Happy five years to ITP btw)
Also you know that I'm not a GoldenCassidy believer, but I've talked to other GoldenCassidy believers and we've all kinda agreed that positing her as the receiver of Happiest Day is weird as fuck considering... the Happiest Day is extremely extremely obviously something to do with Crying Child. It ALSO doesn't have her as the fifth child brought to the back room; the fifth child brought in is a "he." We know from the Party Hat Ending that the kids die as soon as they get to the party room, so them being alive is just in the pixel-game. And HW2 implies that Golden Freddy Kid dies last. So is Cassidy the Happiest Day Receiver and NOT Golden Freddy? Is Cassidy Bonnie!Kid like in Silver Eyes? Is this Silver Eyes canon??? Cori's also convinced that "girl with curly hair" was supposed to refer to Susie, but seeing as Cassidy means "curly-haired" this does make this book the best evidence we have so far for girl!Cassidy!Victim EXISTING in the series. ...though, with the evidence being in FNAF Avengers: The Book, where you can "save" the Missing Children, IDK how canon we're supposed to take that.
NOW about Eleanor: IS that Eleanor??? Because it really seems to be, it makes the most sense (and more sense than implying that it's Circus Baby).... BUT. It refers to the doll as having a red nose, and doesn't mention it being, like, fucking giant. Which implies to ME that it's a Plushbaby?? Is Eleanor a Plushbaby??? Was there just a Plushbaby cameo???? IDFK dude this book was wildin.
Also found it interesting that they had Gabrielle as Chip's daughter. Not to start talking Real-World Genetics, BUT. If we go with her in-game appearance, she's... definitely not white like Chip is. She could be biracial though, and she could've been white in the graphic novel if they were going with that design. I personally think it would've been cooler if Mike was her dad, give him something more to do than be "the friend who plays skeeball," but maybe her game!design wasn't finalized by then and they did assume her graphic novel design was her canon appearance.
Anyway. What a fucking book amirite
- Connie
I really do think is a Plushbaby. They are always weirding around in every game they appear and we didn't pay much attention to it. Maybe this is a hint that "hey, they're not just random shit, there's something going on with them"
I feel like its apparent that the deaths shown in RTP are *not* the MCI at least as its established in the games continuity
There are lots of reasons including the classic but probably retconned number of kids, but also the extremely consistent and almost certainly deliberate lack of Foxy, which would be strange if it was the MCI considering one of them is literally put inside of the guy(its not even like the concept of Foxy is so repulsive that Oz somehow removed him considering he has no reaction to the graffiti outside). As well as the less talked about fact that Jeff's Pizza, and by extension the old location, are on the opposite side of Utah that Hurricane is.
This would be even worse if it is time travel, as the book states multiple times, since that would mean Afton didn't kill the kids, they were found immediately, Foxy literally wasn't there and neither was Fredbear, and that the guy who actually did it is not only not present for the other games in the timeline, but was also last seen hanging in a ball pit *at least* 30 years afterwards(cuz Tiktok)
Now it could just not be time travel and be what RyeToast suggested but thats a coward's way out
I like to call this incident the FCI, the Found Children Incident,
The F can also stand for Foxy for 3 reasons
1. He's not there for some reason
2. Oz is always shown to be represented by Foxy
3. The whole thing kinda reminds me of Foxy Go Go Go, especially with Oz finding the kids on the third time while on the first 2 nights he's sees joy and cheer along with the guy who did it being Afton but clearly off(pink guy) and happy to show the world(and the Foxy) his lovely dead kids. The book repeats multiple times that the way to get to the kids is through a long narrow hallway just like in the minigame.
To your confusion for happiest day, all I’ve gotta say is Shattervictim. BV is still there even if he’s not the golden freddy masked child, BV’s the cake.
In regards to Cassidy, I don't take the HW2 death order as canon 100% mostly keeping in mind it's run by the mimic and Jeremy has a vr mask that implants the hallucination chip, but more than anything I think Cassidy receiving the cake last is supposed to imply she is what was widely believed to be CC in happiest day. What that means for the lore I have to look over, but at the very least:
- Cassidy had the option to (and potentially) move(d) on, so vengeful Cassidy is unlikely if not impossible given male TYOSNHK pronouns
- CC never received happiest day, so the fnaf world happiest day not existing holds more weight. He is still out there.
- Cassidy is at least possessing some kind of bear. Nedbear, g Fred, psychic Fredbear... Who knows, really?
- Cassidy had to have known the aftons. Her happiest day is at the fredbears William ran. At least one Afton knows her name (presumably Michael, maybe CC). I'm leaning towards her being Michael's friend, given both the logbook and the fact she died 2 years after CC in RTTP cannon.
There's probably more though 😅
@ or we could Shattervictim and fix those bullet points
I think it was only 5 missing kids this time because you act as Charlie with Happiest Day so you’re basically the 6th kid. Even the yellow rabbit tries to put the 6th party hat on you. So I think it’s still 6 including Charlotte.
Agree, it was always 5 and Charlie was only technically mci
My man did not just come in here. Hair up in the towel. Snopp Dogg level fuzzy robe. Just chillin' and comfy. Lmao. Love it. Sucks your sick tho.
Even if it is just visions from agony, that could still be considered a time slip. Not full blown time traveling but a glimpse because of the supernatural. And agony and remnant have shown to do ridiculously overpowered things. Full blown Time travel isn’t out of the question in my opinion. Supernatural based time travel is fascinating. Fnaf being the mixture of supernatural and sci Fi it is fascinating to me.
I will say there is a non zero chance that until very late into development of …. I think i can only argue fnaf two. That scott didnt intend supernatural fantasy. He is apparently a scifi guy. So his initial intent could have been kids dead. Ai mad. Rather than kids ded bots haunted.
I mean...The Ballpit has the same outcome as UCN: An alternate reality made of combined/twisted memories, emotions, dreams, etc from the minds of spirits.
Given TOYSNHK is able to revert time there, I wouldn't be shocked if the Ballpit just has odd forms of time.
The way you describe the book makes it sound like this Stanley parable esque adventure.
Follow the normal story, or breach the narrative and make your own rules, and honestly that sounds so cool… despite the typical fnaf confusion
The Stanley Parable does it better, though
yes definitely
In my opinion, the five kids simultaneously disprove Frights Games and confirm the books are in the games' continuity. More damning than that, it unambiguously tells us Cassidy is an Andrew parallel in the games, and therefore the vengeful spirit. Tbh, I found the book really satisfying in terms of lore. These are the biggest questions the community had, answered. It also implies that Elizabeth's death happens earlier in the timeline than MCI, since the doll is clearly implied to be possessed, doing the bunny's (its father's) bidding. If we're following your agony/memory theory, hers are somehow mixed in as well, helping the bunny. Also, you compared it to Eleanor, but to me, it was more reminiscent of Ella
Soft take: It isnt necessarily a hallucination or time travel. It's like you said, Oswald is experiencing memories. It just seems like Oswald just isn't observing. He is able to control things. By finding the secret ending, it means Oswald interfered and changed events.
This actually goes extremely well with FuhNaff's timeline, that the way dead people move on is by going into a happy memory, or fixing a bad one. Oswald, like the puppet, is fixing the bad memories so they can be free.
It's like you're a part in Yellow Rabbit's play, you're a puppet made to fit a role. You can play along and let him be your father or you can wear the party hat, take the role of a missing child. He wants you to play your part
I feel like the new book having 5 kids is less an indicator of the new book being noncanon, and more an indication of the frights books not being 1:1 with the games
You’re just going to skim over the part where the yellow rabbit explodes into a million pieces just like Man in Room 1280??
I’m VERY excited to see your Poppy Playtime video. I don’t think the creature in the new trailer is the prototype tho. Lots of evidence in the trailer and the name of the trailer suggest this new villain is Harley Sawyer. How he was betrayed by Playtime Co. and turned into a monster by them. He’s become one with technology and has been watching us through the camera system this whole time.
the arg kinda gave us some info on that. Apparently he caused an incident at some sort of theatre either accidentally or deliberately
I don't understand the premise that this book isn't in the games. I think it's frightsgames biased to think what Frights gave us is what is in the games, when 5 dead kids fits perfectly in the games. If the interactive novels are indeed in the games, this story saying 5 kids died fits the games. Frights added Andrew. Nowhere in the games do we have any hints he exists. Cassidy, being the vengeful spirit is a perfectly reasonable explanation. Charlie was killed outside of the MCI so she was never grouped. Frights is about Andrew, the games are about Cassidy. It's clear as day if you look at all the evidence for Cassidy and the lack of evidence for Andrew.
this ^
Same, I feel like too many p3ople are trying to force Andrew into the cannon instead of just looking at the facts.
Cassidy can't be the vengeful spirit though if this book is canon, because that means happiest day was for *her.* It means she moved on, we watched it. Whether you believe happiest day is happening during the fnaf 6 fire, or if you believe it never happened/nobody moves on, she groups HERSELF with the other kids. I find it hard to believe she'd befriend the other dead kids only to torture them in UCN. CC doesn't move on, and mike possessed his own corpse so I honestly believe he can't move on. Vengeful Afton (I believe vengeful mike, but you could make the argument of vengeful CC with his father killing in his name) makes more sense than a girl shown in this book to be at peace with her death.
My theory, Oswald is one of many kids being experimented on in the nightmare chambers. This is all a dream induced by agony/remnant. He mentioned Groundhog Day and Alice in Wonderland. This is “drug” induced hallucinations of nightmares he is forced to play out from memories of others. He’s just in the underground bunker this whole time.
"What huuuuuuh?!" Is the only correct reaction somebody can have to fnaf lore xD
And then he Freddy Fazbeared all over the place
I don't like time travel stuff, but I feel "Oops! all agony" is just dream theory all over again
I get that but also I think "oops, all agony!" is more a single person being haunted. I'm a time travel believer myself though, there are too many "you're trapped in the past and you continue to live" endings for it not to be that
I'm curious if the dream/hallucination/time-travel/AR/VR stuff is all just different ways into the "flipside", but no one in universe really knows that information since it's basically pugatory. I know Fnaf World isn't considered mainline canon anymore, but there are still a ton of themes that apply in modern FNAF so it could point to the direction Scott wanted to go. In FNAF World it's said "what happens in here effects out there" when talking about the flipside, and all of those things do effect what happens in reality even if it's in a small way, across all FNAF media. This even holds true in the FNAF movie, when Michael recieves cuts in the dream and still keeps them when he wakes up. It's more of a Real-world blending with the "Flipside" and causing issues, rather than 1 to 1 time-travel and such. Especially IF all the tales' books end up being canon in some way, because good god there is a ton of wacky dream/hallucination stuff affecting real life in those books (like dream spheres, lol).
a little off topic but you said dream spheres, and seriously everytime someone talks about the agony balls in the ball pit, the description sounds so similar to moon's dream spheres to me
Well now I have to go back and read Somnipohobia because it's starting to not sound so crazy anymore. We know moon is old as heck somehow too and the longer you stay in the worse it gets which happens a lot with all this stuff
But yea even if its not specifically the flipside, I could see agony and remnant being some weird connection to limbo
FNAF World is still considered mainline
Andrienne Kress wrote the Bendy books and probably gave us the best writing in the franchise. Absolutely no surprise to hear she knocked this one out of the park
also came here to say this. Genuinely adored her writing for bendy, I knew I needed this book as soon as I saw she wrote it
Man I need the bendy books 😭
at 19:38, as someone who hasn’t read the book yet, i genuinley had to stop and contemplate whether or not you were trolling… theres no way this is real lmao
As someone who has read the book, yes this happens. It's ALWAYS a game over/death though. My favourite one is springtrap/pitbonnie just mowing you down with a car
I got this book for Christmas, and I'm sitting there thinking, ok, this book will be simple it will tell us if the Into the Pit game is Gameline or if it's closer to the OG book.
Proceeds to get evidence for Arcade Theory, Time Travel vs. Agony, Happiest Day Connections, Stichline, and 5 vs. 6 kids.
22:50 "This book seems to argue a lot for time travel actually being real" I mean... It's literally the one thing that happens over and over again in this book, so yeah...
Ah, so the position we're taking is, literally nothing in this entire book means anything? Waste of everyone's time? Cool story bro
Except it can't be literal time travel because the yellow thing exists so it seems to be some sort of pseudo time travel or a mandela effect where you're not actually time traveling but changing everyone's memories
@@nathanstruble2177 How is THAT what you got from all this. Dreams and hallucinations have been some of the most important plot points in the FNAF lore since the first game with golden freddy/ItsMe/old newspaper articles showing up. We know those hallucinations and dreams can effect reality, because they have done so multiple times in all fnaf content
I honesty hope the Into the Pit game gets a Sequel and/or Prequel where we play as either Oswald again or Oswald’s Dad or maybe that Gabriella girl.
Something I always found Interesting is that Neither Foxy or Fredbear are anywhere in the Story of Into the Pit maybe if Into the Pit gets a Sequel and/or Prequel we could see Foxy or Fredbear, maybe even Both.
Golden Freddy was in Into the Pit at least
@@knatsprayfoxy is in return as graffiti
The agony ball pit is your greg-bot XD.
I loved cosy Ryley! I actually got chills when you read out that pit rabbit hole Alice in wonderland sequence, even while sick, you have a great reading voice
19:40
AVENGERS.
assemble
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
You said the Fnaf Avengers, which I understand it’s a joke!
But the leaving timeline feels like a homage to “IT” now it’s not time travel but the same group of kids has to fight it in the past and their future, and while it could simply be a homage to it, it also feels like it could be evidence that this is in Os’ head the whole time!
I know he is more of a Kaiju movie but “It” is technically a monster movie and would’ve came out before Into The Pit so it could be plausible that he saw the movie and it influenced how his brain interprets the pit.
Just a thought I’m also sick, so if it makes no sense blame the brain fog lol 😂🤣
(Edit: Readability)
44:31 I rewatched Dawko's analysis of the Into the Pit short story from back in 2020, and he remarks that the book does not state how many kids there are, just that Oswald sees dead kids; yet, during your reading on Ryedoze, you said "half a dozen kids". Either Dawko forgot the amount, as he assumed to it be five like the games at the time, or this retelling is trying to line itself up better with the main series' MCI, while counting Oswald as the sixth kid.
The fact that they bothered to make it five kids instead of six and have it in a storage room instead of a party room, to me, implies that this book is supposed to be canon to the games since there is no reason to change the six from the original story and game to five like in the newspapers unless it was supposed to be canon to the continuity of the games. (Also I think Oswald is meant parallel to Charlie in the Happiest Day route)
Fnaf avengers sounds more like FNAF IT as a team tries to take down an acient monster
Instead of a time travelling turtle we get a time travelling arcade game
We got the Fnaf Avengers before GTA6.
If Scott made FNAF 3 today, there would be a ball pit in the Fazbear Frights location.
31:50 the cat in the back 😅😂🤣.
i heard the part bout the gun ending and laughed hysterically for 15 minutes what the hell has this series become💀
Is this the one with the "time travel that probably has to be a hallucination otherwise nothing makes any sense at all"?
It's 100% percent time travel a door gets broken in the past and it stays broken when you return out of the pit
@@HappyAxolotl24 that's what I thought too, it really has to be actual time travel right? No way there is a whole book of "lol I know everyone hated Dream Theory so I wrote a bunch of Dream Theory"
Time travel in general only works with 1 of 2 assumptions.
1. Free will does not exist because there is an ultimate authority who pre-made all events so future events can start later events.
2. Multverse theory. When you head back to the "past," you create a new branch timeline starting at a version of the point you were trying to reach with you existing.
@@RFDN0 Only if you aren't creative. I actually really miss wild scifi stories that had crazy stuff like time travel without jumping through a thousand hoops to make it "realistic science based". The only time I don't like time travel, is when it's just used to do something like retcon a major character death, and then it's never spoke of again. But just having wacky time stuff, wether that be supernatural or technology based, can be done in a ton of different ways besides the Marvel method and turn out fun.
It's like a character having some kind of superhuman power (which FNAF has as well), it doesn't have to make sense in a realistic way, but it does need to make a good story.
@@nathanstruble2177Ditophobia is essentially saying lol nah FNAF 4 was definitely dream theory
22:00 this is the madness foxy.exe foreshadowed
Damn didn’t expect to see SpaToast today.
Rye with a towel on his head is everything!!! PEAK COMFY.
I'm there with you Riley, been sick as well. Thanks for the dedication ❤
42:07 Mmm, very bunny 😂😂 like what is that, a Springlock Lobotomy?
19:53
You tellin me Return to the Pit is FNAF Avengers?
FRRRRRR
honestly cozy toast is a good vibe
43:39
Now they are all rabbits, one happy bunny family:
Uhm...The Mimic With Vanessa and Gregory/Cassie?
The post it room as well: One happy famiily at the table?
All they needed to do was to put on a Vanny mask, (or similar accessory) and then they could all live in peace.
(Could also be Glitchtrap - With the conciousness transference / - Compartementalising them out/tricking them into walk into its own prison/cell
Seperate idea:
Or Afton-esque Springtrap finally finding peace with both his "son" and his "Wife?" living together?
Also...wouldn't this be Springtraps happiest day?
- The pieces were in place for them
- All Oz and the Mom needed to do, was put them back together
(This was all achieved by them placing the bunny piece on their heads)
Time travel being a thing isn’t that far fetched. Fnaf is very sci Fi and supernatural, a time traveling ball pit doesn’t sound out of the question honestly. And honestly as a Zelda fan since basically birth, I heavily enjoy fucked up time travel. Welcome to the party.
43:07 This feels like some V.A.N.N.I mask opsipital nerve chip type stuff. A rabbit thing that you put on and it pokes you?
From what you describe here, it reminds me of the Silent Hill Play Novel - where they take something with a linear plot and just say "but what if" at every juncture, and go to some really weird places with it.
Happy Winter Solstice, dude! Hope ya feel better soon!
(The winter solstice was last saturday just fyi. It is always the 21st of December)
@@SC-ec8xe People who are pagan or wiccan often celebrate Winter Solstice instead of Christmas, also it's not always the 21st if you're going by the actual solstice because the Gregorian calendar doesn't care about celestial patterns and the seasons
I still really like the theory that Oswald's one of the spirits in the ball pit, his memory of ITP is looping over and over, and the 3 Star game ending is like his happiest day. I think it makes the most sense, even though no part of this book makes sense lmao
When the leader of the Fnafvengers showed up and it was the Rabbit, I just assumed that Oswald's dad was the leader. It would explain why he's determined not to leave the town, and why there's a Freddy mask in the attic in the game
Happy holidays and happy new year everyone!!
Honestly the theory that its all in Oswald's head makes sense to me.
I find it weird that Oswald got bit pretty deep by the bunny but his dad didn't seem to notice. Only Oz sees it.
If "this is an agony hallucination" then any story could. IT's the "what if this is a simulation". No matter how much evidence there is for time travel or anything, there's no way to prove it's NOT a hallucination.
The point is that it CAN'T be time travel. Unless this book takes place in another timeline (which is unlikely since the book collection was made to be canon, besides the hints like having 5 children like in the games instead of 6), It's literally impossible. If Oswald can change the past, AND affect the present, So nothing in Fnaf would exist. Furthermore, the events are wrong. The children were not killed at the same time. There was no screaming and hysteria. Which makes no sense. Also, the Yellow Rabbit would have to exist in 1985 and be responsible for the MCI. Which doesn't make sense either. Nothing makes. The ONLY thing that makes sense is if this is an agony hallucination. This is not just a "dream theory", it is basically the only alternative.
@@coffe3136 Just wanted to mention that in one of the endings it’s implied that they weren’t killed at the same time. For context when the Yellow Rabbit gives Oswald a party hat and feels disconnected from his body(possibly due to experiencing someone else’s memory). When he enters the storage room in that route he only sees one dead kid. Not trying to confirm or debunk anything just wanted to mention this detail.
sounds like a fnaf multiverse which isn't a new concept I guess considering the silver eyes and games being two different worlds with many similarities
Is into the pit game even canon to the real Fnaf timeline
If it is, then it breaks so much of the pre-established lore that it isn't even worth theorizing anymore.
I would say to operate as though it isn't until scott says otherwise.
@@themilkman7921 Personally I don't see it as canon. My main reason is there seem to be SO MANY throw away Easter eggs (e.g., GGY,) it's kind of hard to take it seriously as a legit game in the canon. My second reason is that according to the Scoot interview he had very little to do with this project, he even forgot it existed at some points, so that also doesn't help its credibility. It seems to just be a fun adaptation of one of the Fazbear Frights stories for the anniversary.
For Return to The Pit, I have NO idea.
The only way it makes any sense is if it's a weird side project agony experiment that happened and even then, there's so many questions
I would love to see those long play videos! I love putting on your old streams for Poppy Ch 3 and HW2 to fall asleep to already
At this point I'm half thinking they might reveal that William Afton is a time traveller.
The neighbor being Chica could be a hint to the theories that he lives next to Susie's mom?
Rye, I think I'm not the only one concerned for your health. U have to rest and take care of yourself cuz u literally have three channels omg. Hope u can take a rest soon, it's okay en we're here for you!
43:16 this reminds me of when Cassy puts on the Vanny mask
If we are to assume that into the pit is within the game’s timeline, our little time traveler should be around the same age as Gregory and Cassy
I’m not sure how it could work as I haven’t read the book myself, however I do believe this is somehow related to the mimic virus.
Glad I got to see towel hat Rye
As long as we have a somewhat reasonable explanation to why time travel ISN'T a part of the fnaf timeline, I'm happy with it.
RyeToast just casually ignores that the book constantly mentions that the 5 Child Murder Incident happens in 1985.
It's pretty confusing whether it's time travel or not, but isn't it pretty big that the MCI is confirmed for 1985?
Tbf 1985 has been accepted for almost a decade at this point.
@gameslayer3976 Largely, but I think this is the most direct confirmation.
@@gameslayer3976 Fun fact: That assumption started for the games as a result of Matpat asking Dawko if The Silver Eyes gave a year for the MCI during the final 2015 livestream on GTLive.
to simply explain it? No, it isn't.
Oswald's word can't mean much as he isn't a fucking quantum physicist or a time lord.
The Ballpit's power comes from the various spirits inside of it and their minds': memories, emotions and dreams all connected about Freddy's, producing the warped/exaggerated version we see. Given a single spirit worming its way into a dream can alter time partially, kinda obvious a larger pool of it can too.
Think of the Ballpit as having a net at it's typical bottom, which when passed, forced Oswald into that exaggerated pocket space where his physical body is still there, but his "exaggerated" body enters 1985.
It could explain stuff like the history altering in the minigame route, since that was the ballpit simply warping the entire place to be about Freddy's without memories of the MCI, which makes it a very modern yet entertaining place. (Which kinda canonises the idea Freddy's entire reputation is built on the MCI)
I’m very sorry you aren’t feeling well but I aspire to be this comfortable.
Here's my question: At 36:58, we establish there is no person in the suit, the rabbit is agony. But at 29:50, we talk about the scenario where we kill the rabbit with the springlocks. Would that kill something made of agony?
My jaw dropped at the "FNAF Avengers" twist, holy guacamole...
It's like, the first time my jaw has dropped in a while, good job Scott Cawthon!
One day when I was stoned, I had this train of thought of the ball pit was actaully time travel. So in this thought, sister location happens. Mike gets scooped and starts looking for his dad. He then comes across the ball pit, travels back in time. Sees the mci, but can't do anything. So he wants to stop what happens but still a step behind. But that is why Mike gets fired for odor because he was already scooped with freddy spaghetti. I wish I would have recorded or wrote down these thoughts because weirdly enough I made it make sense. All threads had answers. Like f me, I solved fnaf but it includes a time traveling ball pit. This was years ago. Before into the pit game, ruin and others. So crazy.
i really think that the bunny ending is showing us that william fell in crazyness after his first springlock failure, in the silver eyes we see how he is crazy with the bunny mask so maybe that is where all of that is going to
Kinda feels like FNAF 4 Dream Theory all over again!?
I think as a reminder to everyone whatever side you choose don't fall into the trap of cherrypicking which books are canon or not
Get well soon, and Seasons Greetings!
I started reading this book like wait did i just pay for the same book?? Holy shit im glad i kept going 😮
Happy new yr rye 💙
30:04 sounds like the plot to some fnaf fan fiction
I've heard that quite a few of the books are like wacky fanfictions lmao
Finally got to listen to this! And I think it was gibis horror homestead that pointed it out- the doll sounds like a plushbaby
23:15 what if the timetravel in this universe behaved like a "pocket dimension" or a time bubble of sorts. Its not a knew concept in sci-fi to have an isolated area where time behaves oddly
Siurce record is the plugin you need to record clean footage from your streams as a seperate layer. Makes videos not feel like annoying vods with alerts every 5 seconds.
Little did Ozwald know that those rabbit ears were laced with Marijuana.
My biggest hang up with the time travel options is that the MCI canonically just didn't happen that way. The kids weren't killed at the same time, and just went missing, so there wouldn't be any mass hysteria.
(I could see this fitting the DCI, but obviously, the time doesn't match)
Rye rest uuuuuuup!!! 😭😭😭😭
Am I the only one who heard the description of the bunny ears and thought about the Vanny mask, and how it injects a chip into your brain? And how nothing in ruin made sense either?
Let’s be honest; everything breaks the fnaf timeline
Breaking implies the timeline was ever stable
Security Breach is literally confirmed to be unbelievably incorrect from Scott's original plan, so everything around the Steel Wool era and beyond might actually just be completely wrong and fucked.
@@CottonArsonist Yup. So everything past SB and SB itself is either sort of right or terribly incorrect. And plus Cawthon said it was his fault that Steel Wool couldn’t get the story right, so for the next games, Scott said he’d do a much better job telling them what they have to do.
24:04 agony??? Its clearly the mimic replacing every one in a super v.r.
Random thought but... What if each of the retellings are ways of tying into some of the oddest untold bits of lore getting an elaboration. Like this book is trying to explain how the Happiest day event in FNAF3 happened?
Also that this incarnation of Oswald might be Michael? Reference the bunny ears scene being a weird thought that some kids might have that if they didn't have siblings his "Bunny/Afton" Family would have been happy or if he gave in and just accepted his darker thoughts and sides to himself and falling to them instead of fighting them and his father?
Random thoughts when sick from covid. XD
36:52 isn't there also an easter egg in the ITP game where Elanor's silhouette can be seen behind the ball pit? Or was that cut content?
If the fully new route and main atractive of the book turned out to be just agony hallucinations i would feel like i wasted my time
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With the book saying that there's only 5, it reinforces your theory. If in Return to The Pit you are reliving the memories of the MCI, then Oswald might be taking the place of the 6th child.
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Honestly I would love to somehow apply and make a sample video, I have done some graphic design work for twitch and would love to move forward with it!
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What if the rabbit being the leader means that Oswald’s dad has time traveled and that’s why we don’t see him back in time.
Obviously, given time travel in general, you can stop the rabbit. In the game you are given the sixth party hat. You end up becoming the sixth victim.
The rabbit ears are obviously a Vanni mask parallel. I've thought for a while that Vanessa never was Afton's actual daughter, but controlled by something like this.
The author of return to the pit also wrote the bendy novels
I AM LOSING MY MIND AT THESE LORE DROPS WHAAAAAAAT
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I don’t know if Oswald astral projecting or whatever when he puts on the party hat is actually supposed to suggest that none of this is real.
Recall that in the arcade game, we see Spring Bonnie put a hat on the fifth kid, after which the kid also loses control of themselves.
I think when it happens to Oswald it might just be the same phenomenon, but in first person.
I wonder if the next book set in the SB location is going to be what the games story was supposed to tell us