Conserve Mana to win by attrition Doesnt mean Freien and Fern dont have access to every spell Flamel invented as the founder of human magic or bulk of Series standard Liabrary Flamel learned in ( Series got interest in collecting hedge magic too)
Serie's "She was just someone I trained on a whim" is her version of Frieren's "a mere 10 years" which means her time with Flamme is the most precious thing for her.
The battle between Frieren and her replica harkens back to something in the first stage of the exam. When fighting some of the other mages, Fern says that Frieren taught her that only basic combat magic is necessary against mages of this era. When the replica starts attacking Denken's group, it only uses basic offensive magic. It's only when facing Frieren herself that it brings out the epic spells. So, this gives weight to the idea that it possesses their memories and mimics their thinking.
I am terribly fond of your Frieren reaction commentaries. I've watched Frieren reacted to multiple times by several great reaction channels, but you've got a great eye for world building and digging into the deeper emotional notes. Loved this episode's flashbacks and Frieren's declared new accolade versus dungeon crawling. As for world building and D&D style adventure worlds, it is my opinion that Himmel's strategy of hitting all the dungeons and side quests was a key mechanic for the party leveling up enough to fight their final boss. Had they more directly gone to Ende, I suspect they'd not have built up their abilities and teamwork enough to tackle their most noteworthy opponent. Looking forward to Apothecary Diaries.
12:55 I love this moment, it's only for a second, but you can see both Frierens only putting up shields where her opponents staff is pointing, such precise control of magic.
Serie rejecting Flamme's will to lead humanity's magic, but in modern times she is the head of the Magic Association. Saying she just trained Flamme on a whim, but reminiscing about her holding her hand as a child. Her actions reveal her true feelings, which are the opposite of her words.
It's not even funny anymore how everyone misunderstands Serie opening the Continental Magic Association. Flamme wanted to teach ordinary every-day magic to literally everyone, so they can light a fire, create flowers, make a tea, protect themselves from monsters. Serie as she said in this episode: "That's not what i want, magic should be special, i won't teach anyone who lacks talent". So she created an organization which accepts only ... a select few (2000 people) who can pass her tests. Testes, to filter out everyone else. And teaching only combat magic to them, looking down on anything that counts as "folk magic". Meanwhile she is organizing hunger-game style deathmatches and makes mages kill each other for more power.... That's anything but what Flamme wanted
Serie is not being honest about her feelings. As with Frieren herself, seems to be a trait with Elves. Suppose being an immortal would cause one to lose contact with others and the world at large.
@@neretilderem7029 When we get to see the Empire where Flamme introduced magic we see its way more common, rather then just mages lots of non-mages also use magic for small things. Serie has decided to teach humans, but still holds to the only the talented and that it should be special, while the Empire has its own Imperial Mages and groups to regulate magic and the Continental Magic Association has no power there.
@@neretilderem7029 she doesn't organize those tests, her students do, and as seen with Sense she has no issue with peaceful tests. Also, none of the tests made mages kill each other, they simply did not punish you if you did. Also, Flamme did not ask Serie to teach magic to everyone, rather she asked her to take over training the court mages of the time (who were combat mages). Those mages no longer exist, and the Empire is no longer what it was. The Continental Magic Association can thus be seen as a compromise, as she is teaching humanity magic, even if most humans will only gain her knowledge via her students or students of her students rather than directly from her. SPOILER And as seen with Fern, if a mage she passes asks for non-combat magic, she will keep her word to give it to them. Nor does she have any issue with folk magic existing or her students learning it, she simply regards it as foolish compared to spells that serve grand purposes, and does not want such magic to be favored.
Frieren looking at the sun symolising her hope and hapiness of finding new magic in the future. Serie with turned back to this future refusing to embrace it.
I like the moment where Blei falls back to delay Sense's clone so that hopefully Dünste can pass the exam. The exact opposite of the cynical thing that one guy who went alone was saying at the start of the exam, that if you try to work together someone might make you a sacrifice for their own advantage. This show does a lot of little callbacks like this and it's so satisfying
Serie said that she teach Flame magic just on a whim. But she can remember MANY details of her own human disciple, such as her dream and her favorite magic spell. Such a Tsundere teacher ;p
The genius thing about this dialogue between Serie and Frieren is that it just slyly hints on how old Serie *actually* is when she offhandedly remarks about the *beginnings of Human Civilization.* It's a very subtle nod to the fact that she was around *before* humanity's beginnings.
What this manga adaptation excels at the most is, BY FAR, the directing. It is immaculate. The pacing, cuts, flashbacks, and combat intertwined to friggin perfection. I love this show.
Keiichiro Saito made back to back modern classics off the bat. Easily the director I’m most excited for what he will do next after he’s done with his 2 main projects.
It's cool to see a detail in Serie's final conversation with Frieren, Serie is highlighted with the shadows on her face when talking pessimistically about humanity acquiring magic, Ja Frieren is highlighted with her face turned towards the light when seeing this optimistically😊
Yep. Frieren is facing the sun, the future, while Serie has her back to it, and faces only the past. Serie is, as Flamme said, a warmonger. She cannot envision a peaceful age, and so all she thinks about is "who will be able to kill who." Frieren, on the other hand, isn't thinking of an age of war between mages, but an age of peace where mages work together to develop all kinds of wonderful spells. It was this belief in cooperation that led Frieren to work with Humanity's mages to undo the horror of Qual's Zoltraak and find a defense against it. That was a matter of war, but, even so, was done to help to preserve life.
Series went from "Yeah, typical apathetic uberpowerful character that cannot be bothered" to "She actually loved her apprentice more than she could afford, because now she will spend a whole eternity alone and missing her, and Frieren is now in the same situation". The scene of her holding Flamme's hand as a child always makes my eyes teary. The hidden sadness in Series' eyes behind all that facade of "too cool to be bothered". She really, really loved Flamme. What a lovely character development. Also, I love that the short life span of humans is one of our strengths, and the key to defeat much more powerful mages that would otherwise be impossible to defeat for they have lived so long that their mana is just unmatched. It reminds me of Warhammer and RPGs, in which it is usually the case that human necromancers are much more powerful than necromancers of other races, usually long lived, because we have this continuous sense of immediacy. We cannot stare at a wall for 10 years, we need to advance every day.
When serie describes the lifespan. "Humans exist closer to death" and "ours is closer to eternity " is really powerful. Really puts into perspective just how long lived they are, and their perspective of time.
What I adore about this episode his how they deliver this super exciting magic duel scene, where Frieren displays magic on a scale unseen to this point, the animators really get to flex their skills, and they do a great job of setting the steaks... only to cut off to a very personal and quiet flashback with two characters just having a conversation and reminiscing about someone who died that was very dear to them both, which then delivers the emotional peak of the episode, and does it in such an effective way that when it cuts from the flashback back to present time you've almost forgotten that the super exciting magic duel scene, where the animators are really flexing their skills, was going on, and they do such an amazing job of connecting the two events together. Also, the symbolism of Serie looking away from the sun-set while Frieren faces it with a smile on her face, showing how one choses to wallow on the past, while the other excitedly looks up to the future.
What really illustrated to me how good this series is was when, having watched all episodes, I tried to decide what my favourite episode was. I couldn't - there were too many. What about my favourite character? No, too many! That's besides the beautiful art style, the stunning animation and the superb music. I have literally never watched anything which has affected me as much as this series.
This might be a bit off-topic, but I absolutely love Yorushika, who took over as the opening theme artist from the second cour. Their music is simple in sound yet features complex structures and catchy phrases that are just incredible.
I love how this fight shows that when Frieren is fighting someone closer to her own level (in this case a literal clone of her), she breaks her rule of using only basic combat spells.
The dynamic with Serie really makes me think a core theme of this show is generational trauma. We dont know yet why Serie is so demanding with her view of how magic is special, but in any case she had those expectations of Flamme, who in turn ended up passing some of that to Frieren ("in the end all i could teach you was to fight - magic for revenge") but still did what she could to keep the spark of joy in magic alive for her with the flower spell. And finally Frieren helped Fern to recognize that she does truly love magic. even if the burden of using it to fight has not totally disappeared, it seems like Fern is having so much more opportunity to take joy in it which we'll see a bit more of soon. theres also other characters we havent seen much of yet as of this episode which i think will reinforce this (others who have been trained by Serie and where ths dynamic really feels like they are children of a demanding parent who cant show them affection)
21:20 It's worldbuilding taken from / inspired by Dragon Quest. Demon society didn't exist prior to the demon king because demons were individualistic apex predators with innately strong magic so they had no need for things like companions. Unification through power / charisma leads to something like a demon society, formed as a response to human civilization advancing where previously mythical creatures did. The demon king recognized strength in numbers and thought the demon race needed an answer of its own unless they wanted to wait for their eventual demise (kinda like Serie's monologue in the past about how humans would need a thousand years to surpass the elves). Some of the worldbuilding and elements are different but you can see where the inspiration came from for demons and elves.
Regarding Frieren not knowing about the Spiegel. Since its from the Mythical Era it predates her, and evidently the tomb it is in only started being explored pretty recently.
Serie be like "I don't really care about Flamme, I just know her favorite magic. Also her favorite foods. Also her favorite bedtime stories. Also her allergies--"
Despite refusing Flamme's last request and tearing up her will, Serie did ultimately honor her wishes. It's just that, like she said to Frieren about how they as elves could afford to delay an important decision for centuries or even a millennium, she took 1,000 years to finally go back to that subject and come up with a way to grant Flamme's request while not compromising her values about how she'll only teach the most talented mages. So she came up with the Continental Magic Association and the different classes of mages, and only First Class mages have direct access to her teachings. You're right that Flamme was Serie's Fern, and she repeats that remark about how Flamme was only just a student she took on a whim the same way Frieren used to say that her quest to defeat the Demon King with Himmel and the others was some inconsequential "mere ten year adventure."
Speaking of holding off decisions. It's interesting how Serie eventually did create the magic association 50 years ago (from current timeline). Which was about 1000 years after Flamme's will suggested something similiar. So she actually considered it, and eventually made that organision (or maybe took it over?) to her suiting.
a tiny detail that a lot of watchers missed in this episode: serie mentioned that flamme taught and created imperial mages, which means that the principles/techniques of magic that denken learned are at least somewhat loosely similar to Frieren's. it makes sense that he knows her so well and openly acknowledges her legendary status. To him, she probably represents what a peak imperial mage would look like in terms of magical prowess.
Denken is very unusual in that he is an Imperial Mage and a member of the Continental Magic Association, in the Empire lots more people use magic for small things and its much more common an inline with Flamme's vision
You weren't thinking Fern would just go there and 1v1 Frieren right? She would die in like half a second 🤣 At this moment i'd say Fern seems like she's on the lower echelon of rank 1 mages. That being said, that flashback is one of my favourite scenes, we get insight on Serie's relationship with Flamme, and we now know why she continental magic association was born only 50 years ago, she had to think about it for a thousand years, to find a way to grant her beloved pupil's wish but still only teach people with talent, in the end Serie seems like a softie too, just a bit harsh on the outside. She still treated Flamme like a daughter pretty much. Teaching only talented mages is the correct approach in my opinion, mediocre mages would just get themselves killed by demons. Also love how she just casually speaks about the dawn of human civilization like my mom talks about old TV Shows, so yeah, she's lived for quite some time 🤣
Season 2 was officially announced as "coming soon". Unfortunately it was an image of Frieren who was saying "coming soon" and as Fern said, "what's 'soon'?". So who know when? 😛
It can be tricky while reading the dub but you have to watch Serie's face when she talks to see what she means. She talks dismissively of Flamme while smiling fondly and remembering her as a small child. Since Flamme says she "lost everything" to demons it may well have been her family to, so Serie may have raised her as well as taught her.
One of the other reason that Fern and Frieren's magic is different is that during the century in which demons really attacked humanity, the humans were really scrambling to try and stop (or at least delay) their genocide. So almost all of humanity's high level magic was reverse-engineered from the demons (zoltraak being the best example). Now, in this time of peace, humanity has started to develop their own magic, but the lack of the motivation (more like desperation) that there was during the war against the demon means that combat mages are just less good, and humans are not as talented (or not experienced enough, they've only been doing magic seriously for 100 year) to create powerful new spells.
And this is somehow related to Serie looking for battle mages with experience gained in the war against DKs remaining army. We still don't know the reason behind this.
Human mages also transition from pure magic attack to imbuing objects as a weapon, i.e. physical attacks, because to overcome magical shields/barriers which seems to be human mages' specialty. Which also implies that, more human is fighting each other than they are fighting demons.
@@zam023 Absolutly yes, but it is also because mages are weaker now so they tend to have less mana, which mean that have to use strategies that are more sparing.
@@bobislav85 I think that it's connected to how she conceives magic (first and foremost as a weapon), so she sees only those that are excellent fighters as worthy of her teachings. But its true that there could be a deeper plan for that, we still don't really know why she chose to create the Continental Magic Association just now, after the death of the Demon King.
Frieren is still very young. When you're young, new things come easy to you. And she has an analytical mind. If Frieren can adjust to the pace of the humans, she will become a genius of magic like the world has never seen. Serie and her vast store of outdated spells will be left behind!
I think it's worth noting that Frieren basically declared herself to be the most experienced dungeoneer alive. She said the hero's party cleared the most dungeons of anyone in history, and she's the only living member of that party. Ironically though, despite her long life, she only started dungeoneering 80-ish years ago, and probably got most of that experience in just those 10 years. (Of course, it's entirely possible that someone like Serie or Kraft has centuries of forgotten dungeoneering experience, but if they do, Frieren doesn't know about it, and neither do we.)
Seele's intellectual feud with Flamme reminded me of Dorian Gray's Preface: "We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely."
Another cool thing about this episode is to see Himmel's power. He killed that dragon (?) in a single hit. We always hear that the demons were very afraid of him, but this is the first time we see him showing his power off (his speed in that episode with the demon that kills a little girl can also be considered a small show of his strength).
I'd argue that elves don't even DECIDE to take it slow when they make decisions. Humans are impulsive because we don't have the time to be patient. Elves have no concept of time, so they aren't driven. It's not in their nature to be hasty because they have no concept of it.
I would say the top 3 strongest mages of that group in terms of mana, experience and magic are: Frieren, the first class mage Sense and Denken. Other exceptional ones are: Wirbel, Fern, Übel, Methode and Land. But I wouldnt put them in the top 3
remember that frieren said at the beginning of the exam arc that mana isn't everything in battle against mages (remember Fern fight against ehre one of the member of wirbel squad? fern said at the time that ehre is the strongest there but she sweep her off). i don't think the series so far ever directly show us how much mana fern actually have, but i am pretty sure denken and arguably methode AT this point of the story is definitely stronger than fern. she probably have way more potential than any of them in the future though.
Serie really cared about Flamme, but she just is so set in her emotionless state, like Frieren. But her recall, which I don't know if if was something that Frieren could see as well, was so telling. What a cliffhanger!
So Himmel's party cleared out most of the known dungeons, meaning mages no longer had to consider dungeon combat as part of their regular training regiment. The thing about only the most bonkers anomaly elves being left (the ones we've seen, the ones who survived being targets) is that our image of their capabilities is very skewed. Like, sure, elves were all just limitless lumps of potential compared to the individually short lifespans of humans, but just like humans most elves were just presumably living really long and ordinary lives. Washing and chopping veggies for dinner type stuff.
Keep an eye out for all the ways Serie shows just how little Flamme's short human life mattered to her. Flamme was only a student Serie trained on a whim, after all.
I think it makes a lot of sense for Frieren to have knowledge, but at the same time it doesn't, first of all she is more interested in magic, so monsters wouldn't be her specialty, she only knows the ones she found along the way, her focus was always on defeating demons and not monsters, after Flamme's death if we remember she was away from humanity in practically the same place, I believe she left from time to time, but only to defeat demons, monsters were creatures that she must have dealt with more when she was adventuring in the group of heroes
Serie is just so interesting, I still disagree with the common remarks of her being a "tsundere" because she's not, she's not pretending to hate it, or hides her feelings, she just doesn't know how to feel or react about it, she doesn't understand her emotions. Like imagine saying a millennium is nothing and suddenly experiencing a wave of emotions from a mere 60 or so years from a person you trained on a whim.
She specifically seems to struggle to put words to her feelings. She knows she's feeling something, she can nearly identify the vibe of it, but she cannot define it or describe it, and that's the wall which disconnects her from those feelings and from the people she has them for. Without the words, she mischaracterizes them for herself, and she can't express her fondness to the objects of that fondness.
I cant remember where I heard this number, so - grain of salt - but I think that Serie is at least 9000 years old, possibly over 10000. She is also a gaddang high-order tsundere. Like, barely functional due to tsun! And the dere takes hundreds if not thousands of years to manifest. 😫
Yeah no doubt that Fern will go over in history as a legendary human mage like Flamme. Frieren always use ordinary/low magic because it is enough with her skill and level. Her Clone though will use all magic in her arsenal. There for next to no other mage in the dungeon will have a chance against the clone. Only Frieren her self and Fern can do it because they know each others so well.
Manas suppression is not that useful. I mean we’ve seen it is incredibly useful as far as hiding your presence or making others, especially demons underestimate you. But it’s more about control. It doesn’t make your actual mana stronger. Otherwise everyone would be doing it all the time. Though I’ve no doubt the stuff l gets put through, has taken her potential and molded it into a monster. It’s worth remembering that Zoltraak is the mage killing spell. It’s the basic now but it’s not energy efficient. It’s like everyone else has their treadmill flat and fern’s not only running faster, but she’s never even used the thing on the lower elevations. Other people don’t spam Zoltraak like Fern does cause they can’t.
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Sense must be really strong to have enough imagination to mess with her hair, but the expression of constant boredom only makes me think of a point that I like to imagine about Frieren, as powerful as they both are, this constant effort in Frieren's case to suppress her mana, must have its price, which must be exhausting, even though it is something daily and customary, Frieren is always lazy and sleeps a lot, Sense as I said before, always seems bored
Remember how she said to Fern that ordinary offensive magic is enough to beat the mages of this era? Frieren's arsenal is on another level.
Conserve Mana to win by attrition
Doesnt mean Freien and Fern dont have access to every spell Flamel invented as the founder of human magic or bulk of Series standard Liabrary Flamel learned in ( Series got interest in collecting hedge magic too)
Yeah, and the replica only brings it out against Frieren, too, and not against Denken's group, so it was also mimicking her thinking.
she didnt use any of these basic offensive magic, coz the one shes fighting is not from this era.
@@jujoduhduh it replicates the minds of the people in the dungeon, so it is
Frieren didn't want Fern to accidentally vaporize her opponents 😅
Serie's "She was just someone I trained on a whim" is her version of Frieren's "a mere 10 years" which means her time with Flamme is the most precious thing for her.
I was never interested in Serie, until what Frieren told Lernen about Serie, I think that's really sweet.
The battle between Frieren and her replica harkens back to something in the first stage of the exam. When fighting some of the other mages, Fern says that Frieren taught her that only basic combat magic is necessary against mages of this era. When the replica starts attacking Denken's group, it only uses basic offensive magic. It's only when facing Frieren herself that it brings out the epic spells. So, this gives weight to the idea that it possesses their memories and mimics their thinking.
Love that we only really ever see Frieren use basic levels of magic, but here we finally get to see what she really could do if she wanted to.
The Serie/Frieren/Flamme flashback is a masterclass in storytelling, and one of my favorite moments in the show.
I am terribly fond of your Frieren reaction commentaries. I've watched Frieren reacted to multiple times by several great reaction channels, but you've got a great eye for world building and digging into the deeper emotional notes. Loved this episode's flashbacks and Frieren's declared new accolade versus dungeon crawling. As for world building and D&D style adventure worlds, it is my opinion that Himmel's strategy of hitting all the dungeons and side quests was a key mechanic for the party leveling up enough to fight their final boss. Had they more directly gone to Ende, I suspect they'd not have built up their abilities and teamwork enough to tackle their most noteworthy opponent. Looking forward to Apothecary Diaries.
Fern: "I know how to kill frieren"
Frieren: "my replica, right?"
Fern: "didn't you want to see Himmel again?"
😂
Then fern will be a mediocre mage..cuz who will teach her again..
@@darkcutiedamn If Fern ever manages to kill Frieren, there is no way in thousands of years will she be considered 'mediocre'.
12:55 I love this moment, it's only for a second, but you can see both Frierens only putting up shields where her opponents staff is pointing, such precise control of magic.
It is so smooth...
Serie rejecting Flamme's will to lead humanity's magic, but in modern times she is the head of the Magic Association. Saying she just trained Flamme on a whim, but reminiscing about her holding her hand as a child. Her actions reveal her true feelings, which are the opposite of her words.
It's not even funny anymore how everyone misunderstands Serie opening the Continental Magic Association.
Flamme wanted to teach ordinary every-day magic to literally everyone, so they can light a fire, create flowers, make a tea, protect themselves from monsters.
Serie as she said in this episode: "That's not what i want, magic should be special, i won't teach anyone who lacks talent". So she created an organization which accepts only ... a select few (2000 people) who can pass her tests. Testes, to filter out everyone else. And teaching only combat magic to them, looking down on anything that counts as "folk magic". Meanwhile she is organizing hunger-game style deathmatches and makes mages kill each other for more power....
That's anything but what Flamme wanted
Serie is a professional tsun tsun
Serie is not being honest about her feelings. As with Frieren herself, seems to be a trait with Elves. Suppose being an immortal would cause one to lose contact with others and the world at large.
@@neretilderem7029 When we get to see the Empire where Flamme introduced magic we see its way more common, rather then just mages lots of non-mages also use magic for small things.
Serie has decided to teach humans, but still holds to the only the talented and that it should be special, while the Empire has its own Imperial Mages and groups to regulate magic and the Continental Magic Association has no power there.
@@neretilderem7029 she doesn't organize those tests, her students do, and as seen with Sense she has no issue with peaceful tests. Also, none of the tests made mages kill each other, they simply did not punish you if you did.
Also, Flamme did not ask Serie to teach magic to everyone, rather she asked her to take over training the court mages of the time (who were combat mages). Those mages no longer exist, and the Empire is no longer what it was. The Continental Magic Association can thus be seen as a compromise, as she is teaching humanity magic, even if most humans will only gain her knowledge via her students or students of her students rather than directly from her.
SPOILER
And as seen with Fern, if a mage she passes asks for non-combat magic, she will keep her word to give it to them. Nor does she have any issue with folk magic existing or her students learning it, she simply regards it as foolish compared to spells that serve grand purposes, and does not want such magic to be favored.
Judradjim(ジュドラジルム)→破滅の雷を放つ魔法
Vollzanbel(ヴォルザンベル)→地獄の業火を出す魔法
物質を操るのではなく、作り出す魔法でかっこいい🥰
Frieren looking at the sun symolising her hope and hapiness of finding new magic in the future. Serie with turned back to this future refusing to embrace it.
Add the breeze blowing her hair around symbolizing winds of change.
I like the moment where Blei falls back to delay Sense's clone so that hopefully Dünste can pass the exam. The exact opposite of the cynical thing that one guy who went alone was saying at the start of the exam, that if you try to work together someone might make you a sacrifice for their own advantage. This show does a lot of little callbacks like this and it's so satisfying
Serie said that she teach Flame magic just on a whim.
But she can remember MANY details of her own human disciple, such as her dream and her favorite magic spell.
Such a Tsundere teacher ;p
I remember watching this episode and being so paranoid that Fern's replica was also in the room, suppressing its mana
That would have been epic. I wish we actually got to see Ferns clone fight with Methode. It was all off screened
@@Idk-ro9nt in the manga, it can be seen quickly, same for the trio against Denken's
12:55 - Yes, my favourite OST of the show is here!
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The genius thing about this dialogue between Serie and Frieren is that it just slyly hints on how old Serie *actually* is when she offhandedly remarks about the *beginnings of Human Civilization.* It's a very subtle nod to the fact that she was around *before* humanity's beginnings.
What this manga adaptation excels at the most is, BY FAR, the directing. It is immaculate. The pacing, cuts, flashbacks, and combat intertwined to friggin perfection. I love this show.
Keiichiro Saito made back to back modern classics off the bat. Easily the director I’m most excited for what he will do next after he’s done with his 2 main projects.
It's cool to see a detail in Serie's final conversation with Frieren, Serie is highlighted with the shadows on her face when talking pessimistically about humanity acquiring magic, Ja Frieren is highlighted with her face turned towards the light when seeing this optimistically😊
Yep. Frieren is facing the sun, the future, while Serie has her back to it, and faces only the past. Serie is, as Flamme said, a warmonger. She cannot envision a peaceful age, and so all she thinks about is "who will be able to kill who." Frieren, on the other hand, isn't thinking of an age of war between mages, but an age of peace where mages work together to develop all kinds of wonderful spells. It was this belief in cooperation that led Frieren to work with Humanity's mages to undo the horror of Qual's Zoltraak and find a defense against it. That was a matter of war, but, even so, was done to help to preserve life.
Series went from "Yeah, typical apathetic uberpowerful character that cannot be bothered" to "She actually loved her apprentice more than she could afford, because now she will spend a whole eternity alone and missing her, and Frieren is now in the same situation". The scene of her holding Flamme's hand as a child always makes my eyes teary. The hidden sadness in Series' eyes behind all that facade of "too cool to be bothered". She really, really loved Flamme.
What a lovely character development.
Also, I love that the short life span of humans is one of our strengths, and the key to defeat much more powerful mages that would otherwise be impossible to defeat for they have lived so long that their mana is just unmatched.
It reminds me of Warhammer and RPGs, in which it is usually the case that human necromancers are much more powerful than necromancers of other races, usually long lived, because we have this continuous sense of immediacy. We cannot stare at a wall for 10 years, we need to advance every day.
Yeah, this is what Frieren told Qual; humans can't waste time, and that 80 years of them is an eternity, hence the advancement in magic.
When serie describes the lifespan. "Humans exist closer to death" and "ours is closer to eternity " is really powerful. Really puts into perspective just how long lived they are, and their perspective of time.
What I adore about this episode his how they deliver this super exciting magic duel scene, where Frieren displays magic on a scale unseen to this point, the animators really get to flex their skills, and they do a great job of setting the steaks... only to cut off to a very personal and quiet flashback with two characters just having a conversation and reminiscing about someone who died that was very dear to them both, which then delivers the emotional peak of the episode, and does it in such an effective way that when it cuts from the flashback back to present time you've almost forgotten that the super exciting magic duel scene, where the animators are really flexing their skills, was going on, and they do such an amazing job of connecting the two events together.
Also, the symbolism of Serie looking away from the sun-set while Frieren faces it with a smile on her face, showing how one choses to wallow on the past, while the other excitedly looks up to the future.
What really illustrated to me how good this series is was when, having watched all episodes, I tried to decide what my favourite episode was. I couldn't - there were too many. What about my favourite character? No, too many! That's besides the beautiful art style, the stunning animation and the superb music. I have literally never watched anything which has affected me as much as this series.
This might be a bit off-topic, but I absolutely love Yorushika, who took over as the opening theme artist from the second cour. Their music is simple in sound yet features complex structures and catchy phrases that are just incredible.
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I love how this fight shows that when Frieren is fighting someone closer to her own level (in this case a literal clone of her), she breaks her rule of using only basic combat spells.
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The next episode is my favorite one (except for the Old Voll one), it made so clear how the magic system works on Frieren's world
I like Serie so much as a character...she's the biggest tsundere I've ever seen.
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17:47 Exactly! Well, more or less.
at 4:50 is when Frieren remembers what serie told her at the end of episode.
I forgot about that brief flashback thank you lol
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We need a spin-off of the Lawine-Kanne battle in the dungeon.
these last few episodes are wild. Love the reaction video.
The dynamic with Serie really makes me think a core theme of this show is generational trauma. We dont know yet why Serie is so demanding with her view of how magic is special, but in any case she had those expectations of Flamme, who in turn ended up passing some of that to Frieren ("in the end all i could teach you was to fight - magic for revenge") but still did what she could to keep the spark of joy in magic alive for her with the flower spell. And finally Frieren helped Fern to recognize that she does truly love magic. even if the burden of using it to fight has not totally disappeared, it seems like Fern is having so much more opportunity to take joy in it which we'll see a bit more of soon.
theres also other characters we havent seen much of yet as of this episode which i think will reinforce this (others who have been trained by Serie and where ths dynamic really feels like they are children of a demanding parent who cant show them affection)
21:20 It's worldbuilding taken from / inspired by Dragon Quest. Demon society didn't exist prior to the demon king because demons were individualistic apex predators with innately strong magic so they had no need for things like companions. Unification through power / charisma leads to something like a demon society, formed as a response to human civilization advancing where previously mythical creatures did. The demon king recognized strength in numbers and thought the demon race needed an answer of its own unless they wanted to wait for their eventual demise (kinda like Serie's monologue in the past about how humans would need a thousand years to surpass the elves). Some of the worldbuilding and elements are different but you can see where the inspiration came from for demons and elves.
Regarding Frieren not knowing about the Spiegel. Since its from the Mythical Era it predates her, and evidently the tomb it is in only started being explored pretty recently.
Serie be like "I don't really care about Flamme, I just know her favorite magic. Also her favorite foods. Also her favorite bedtime stories. Also her allergies--"
Next episode is probably one of the best episodes
This is an awesome fight scene its so cool, also only 900 people till 100k and we start OP
I love that when Frieren fought Denken, she only needed to use Zoltraak, yet when she fought herself here, she uses so many different spells.
Despite refusing Flamme's last request and tearing up her will, Serie did ultimately honor her wishes.
It's just that, like she said to Frieren about how they as elves could afford to delay an important decision for centuries or even a millennium, she took 1,000 years to finally go back to that subject and come up with a way to grant Flamme's request while not compromising her values about how she'll only teach the most talented mages.
So she came up with the Continental Magic Association and the different classes of mages, and only First Class mages have direct access to her teachings.
You're right that Flamme was Serie's Fern, and she repeats that remark about how Flamme was only just a student she took on a whim the same way Frieren used to say that her quest to defeat the Demon King with Himmel and the others was some inconsequential "mere ten year adventure."
Yep. Fern and Flamme are mirrors through Frieren and Serie. I cant wait for us to learn more about Serie and Flamme's relationship.
Frieren: There isn't a dungeon that can't be conquered.
Ainz Ooal Gown: Yeah?
Speaking of holding off decisions. It's interesting how Serie eventually did create the magic association 50 years ago (from current timeline). Which was about 1000 years after Flamme's will suggested something similiar. So she actually considered it, and eventually made that organision (or maybe took it over?) to her suiting.
you know the party is strong when the healer got time to get drunk before a dungeon raid
13:50 I just realized after 1 year 😂
The action in this series pops off so hard
a tiny detail that a lot of watchers missed in this episode: serie mentioned that flamme taught and created imperial mages, which means that the principles/techniques of magic that denken learned are at least somewhat loosely similar to Frieren's. it makes sense that he knows her so well and openly acknowledges her legendary status. To him, she probably represents what a peak imperial mage would look like in terms of magical prowess.
Denken is very unusual in that he is an Imperial Mage and a member of the Continental Magic Association, in the Empire lots more people use magic for small things and its much more common an inline with Flamme's vision
You weren't thinking Fern would just go there and 1v1 Frieren right? She would die in like half a second 🤣
At this moment i'd say Fern seems like she's on the lower echelon of rank 1 mages.
That being said, that flashback is one of my favourite scenes, we get insight on Serie's relationship with Flamme, and we now know why she continental magic association was born only 50 years ago, she had to think about it for a thousand years, to find a way to grant her beloved pupil's wish but still only teach people with talent, in the end Serie seems like a softie too, just a bit harsh on the outside. She still treated Flamme like a daughter pretty much.
Teaching only talented mages is the correct approach in my opinion, mediocre mages would just get themselves killed by demons.
Also love how she just casually speaks about the dawn of human civilization like my mom talks about old TV Shows, so yeah, she's lived for quite some time 🤣
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Season 2 was officially announced as "coming soon".
Unfortunately it was an image of Frieren who was saying "coming soon" and as Fern said, "what's 'soon'?". So who know when? 😛
It can be tricky while reading the dub but you have to watch Serie's face when she talks to see what she means. She talks dismissively of Flamme while smiling fondly and remembering her as a small child.
Since Flamme says she "lost everything" to demons it may well have been her family to, so Serie may have raised her as well as taught her.
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One of the other reason that Fern and Frieren's magic is different is that during the century in which demons really attacked humanity, the humans were really scrambling to try and stop (or at least delay) their genocide. So almost all of humanity's high level magic was reverse-engineered from the demons (zoltraak being the best example). Now, in this time of peace, humanity has started to develop their own magic, but the lack of the motivation (more like desperation) that there was during the war against the demon means that combat mages are just less good, and humans are not as talented (or not experienced enough, they've only been doing magic seriously for 100 year) to create powerful new spells.
And this is somehow related to Serie looking for battle mages with experience gained in the war against DKs remaining army. We still don't know the reason behind this.
Human mages also transition from pure magic attack to imbuing objects as a weapon, i.e. physical attacks, because to overcome magical shields/barriers which seems to be human mages' specialty. Which also implies that, more human is fighting each other than they are fighting demons.
@@zam023 Absolutly yes, but it is also because mages are weaker now so they tend to have less mana, which mean that have to use strategies that are more sparing.
@@bobislav85 I think that it's connected to how she conceives magic (first and foremost as a weapon), so she sees only those that are excellent fighters as worthy of her teachings. But its true that there could be a deeper plan for that, we still don't really know why she chose to create the Continental Magic Association just now, after the death of the Demon King.
Actually for 1000 years since Flamme started teaching human mages.
Frieren is still very young. When you're young, new things come easy to you. And she has an analytical mind. If Frieren can adjust to the pace of the humans, she will become a genius of magic like the world has never seen. Serie and her vast store of outdated spells will be left behind!
I think it's worth noting that Frieren basically declared herself to be the most experienced dungeoneer alive. She said the hero's party cleared the most dungeons of anyone in history, and she's the only living member of that party. Ironically though, despite her long life, she only started dungeoneering 80-ish years ago, and probably got most of that experience in just those 10 years.
(Of course, it's entirely possible that someone like Serie or Kraft has centuries of forgotten dungeoneering experience, but if they do, Frieren doesn't know about it, and neither do we.)
Seele's intellectual feud with Flamme reminded me of Dorian Gray's Preface: "We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely."
Apparently Frieren not only collected folk spells😂
Another cool thing about this episode is to see Himmel's power.
He killed that dragon (?) in a single hit.
We always hear that the demons were very afraid of him, but this is the first time we see him showing his power off (his speed in that episode with the demon that kills a little girl can also be considered a small show of his strength).
I heard that this season took about 3 years to animate and if season 2 looks this good I can wait for it.
Serie is from Mystical Era
Oh, I see the mistake she thinks Fern is going to try to kill her 🤭 She’ll be “learn-on” a lot soon. 😂
17:46 I never even considered that before...
And that's just a taste of what Himmel meant by "flashy spells"
I'd argue that elves don't even DECIDE to take it slow when they make decisions. Humans are impulsive because we don't have the time to be patient. Elves have no concept of time, so they aren't driven. It's not in their nature to be hasty because they have no concept of it.
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I would say the top 3 strongest mages of that group in terms of mana, experience and magic are: Frieren, the first class mage Sense and Denken. Other exceptional ones are: Wirbel, Fern, Übel, Methode and Land. But I wouldnt put them in the top 3
13:50 Mexican Surfboard. They use a couple of pro-wrestling holds for the bullying.
remember that frieren said at the beginning of the exam arc that mana isn't everything in battle against mages (remember Fern fight against ehre one of the member of wirbel squad? fern said at the time that ehre is the strongest there but she sweep her off). i don't think the series so far ever directly show us how much mana fern actually have, but i am pretty sure denken and arguably methode AT this point of the story is definitely stronger than fern. she probably have way more potential than any of them in the future though.
Serie really cared about Flamme, but she just is so set in her emotionless state, like Frieren. But her recall, which I don't know if if was something that Frieren could see as well, was so telling. What a cliffhanger!
So Himmel's party cleared out most of the known dungeons, meaning mages no longer had to consider dungeon combat as part of their regular training regiment.
The thing about only the most bonkers anomaly elves being left (the ones we've seen, the ones who survived being targets) is that our image of their capabilities is very skewed. Like, sure, elves were all just limitless lumps of potential compared to the individually short lifespans of humans, but just like humans most elves were just presumably living really long and ordinary lives. Washing and chopping veggies for dinner type stuff.
Keep an eye out for all the ways Serie shows just how little Flamme's short human life mattered to her. Flamme was only a student Serie trained on a whim, after all.
Serie - Flame
Frieren - Fern
I think it makes a lot of sense for Frieren to have knowledge, but at the same time it doesn't, first of all she is more interested in magic, so monsters wouldn't be her specialty, she only knows the ones she found along the way, her focus was always on defeating demons and not monsters, after Flamme's death if we remember she was away from humanity in practically the same place, I believe she left from time to time, but only to defeat demons, monsters were creatures that she must have dealt with more when she was adventuring in the group of heroes
Serie is just so interesting, I still disagree with the common remarks of her being a "tsundere" because she's not, she's not pretending to hate it, or hides her feelings, she just doesn't know how to feel or react about it, she doesn't understand her emotions. Like imagine saying a millennium is nothing and suddenly experiencing a wave of emotions from a mere 60 or so years from a person you trained on a whim.
She specifically seems to struggle to put words to her feelings. She knows she's feeling something, she can nearly identify the vibe of it, but she cannot define it or describe it, and that's the wall which disconnects her from those feelings and from the people she has them for.
Without the words, she mischaracterizes them for herself, and she can't express her fondness to the objects of that fondness.
Just throwing a Mimic into the final hall would win the game.
As a procrastinator, I want to be isekaid as an elf lmao
I cant remember where I heard this number, so - grain of salt - but I think that Serie is at least 9000 years old, possibly over 10000.
She is also a gaddang high-order tsundere. Like, barely functional due to tsun!
And the dere takes hundreds if not thousands of years to manifest. 😫
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about season 2, even I'm eager for it I want them to make it good so early 2027 might be a reasonable expectation
Yeah no doubt that Fern will go over in history as a legendary human mage like Flamme. Frieren always use ordinary/low magic because it is enough with her skill and level. Her Clone though will use all magic in her arsenal. There for next to no other mage in the dungeon will have a chance against the clone. Only Frieren her self and Fern can do it because they know each others so well.
Manas suppression is not that useful. I mean we’ve seen it is incredibly useful as far as hiding your presence or making others, especially demons underestimate you. But it’s more about control. It doesn’t make your actual mana stronger. Otherwise everyone would be doing it all the time. Though I’ve no doubt the stuff l gets put through, has taken her potential and molded it into a monster. It’s worth remembering that Zoltraak is the mage killing spell. It’s the basic now but it’s not energy efficient. It’s like everyone else has their treadmill flat and fern’s not only running faster, but she’s never even used the thing on the lower elevations.
Other people don’t spam Zoltraak like Fern does cause they can’t.
Wait for it.....
Everybody commets so fast
Serie was right. A human mage can kill Frieren, Fern proved it.
What if Serie is the student of the Goddess?
Imma venture to say that the Goddess might be an Elf herself.
Serie casually bitching about flamme and yet moving her arms as shows how she was holding kid flamme's hand happily. Serie is such a child.
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What .ames humans dangerous is their knowledge evolution.
Insane how Serie says a “mere” thousand years. To elves a thousand years is nothing
Sense must be really strong to have enough imagination to mess with her hair, but the expression of constant boredom only makes me think of a point that I like to imagine about Frieren, as powerful as they both are, this constant effort in Frieren's case to suppress her mana, must have its price, which must be exhausting, even though it is something daily and customary, Frieren is always lazy and sleeps a lot, Sense as I said before, always seems bored