Hi friends :) I’m Malik,, the guy in the orange shirt. I do things like this video alot and I normally don’t comment. However, I feel the need to say abuse of any kind from any gender is not okay. No one has to subject themselves to that. If I, a male, am on the giving side of abuse of any kind, my partner should leave me. If it is vice versa, and I am on the receiving end of any kind of abuse, then I should leave him/her. Period. It’s that simple. It IS black and white. Abuse of any kind = wrong and you have every right to protect yourself from it. And adoption isn’t any less special than having your own kids. My heart is heavy for all the people who may have watched this that have longed for kids that can’t have them. Your adopted kid IS special. I will be adopting my kids as well 🫶🏾
Malik I really admire you and the way you made your points. I was going to ask Brian if you had a channel because I want to hear more of what you have to say especially because of your background in the church and theology.
Lol Malik, you swear something heinous was said about adopting. Your hearts heavy? Sure. You can’t claim that having an adopted kid is “just as special” as a couple who CREATES life through sex. You can’t make that claim because one you’ve never adopted a child and two as a homosexual you will never be able to create life so how can you know what creating life feels like if you’ve never experienced it and might never? Don’t play this virtue signaling game. Second, it’s not surprising that you believe “you should leave” your partner due to “any abuse.” Really? So just give up when feeling abused? This is awful advice from a Christian. Someone could “feel abused” by simply cooking and cleaning and never getting a thank you from their spouse. Someone could feel abused because their spouse is insecure and wants to be attached to their spouses hip. There’s a lot of scenarios that can be made up and called “abuse” and your advice is leave if you feel any type? That’s wild. But, I understand why you say it because YOU couldn’t handle emotional abuse and YOU couldn’t handle physical abuse from a woman half your size. I’m a man, so I can find it hard to understand the physical abuse from a woman half your size and I can also find it difficult to understand why therapy to work through emotional abuse isn’t a viable option. Even people dealing with physical abuse can explore helpful options before divorce. I agree, abuse is not ok. Physical, mental, whatever you find truly abusive is not okay. I also think ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING can be healed THROUGH JESUS. You call that “conversion therapy” to which I question your belief in the healing power of Jesus. Conversion therapy and believing in the power of Jesus is NOT the same thing. So to make that comparison it makes me wonder who you think Jesus is if you doubt His ability to heal and restore all. Stop the virtue signaling. No one said abuse is okay. No one said adopting isn’t special. So your heart doesn’t need to be “heavy” over things that were never said. If your points were grounded in truth, you wouldn’t need to come to the comments to virtue signal. Btw, this is probably the first time I can say I’m happy I’m a short man because if I were tall and sharing my opinion on struggling to believe a man CAN NOT do anything to stop the physical abuse of a woman, I know you’d attack that opinion based on me being a big man. That I can prevent it because I’m big. But I’m not a big man, yet I still have this opinion. You’re just triggered by it bc you’re a big man talking about how a woman half your size “abused you” and there was nothing you could do about it apparently, not even therapy. And if you did try therapy and they were still a monster, then that goes back to my original point with it sounding like they aren’t truly following Jesus since their tree bears bad fruit. You don’t even seem to believe in the power of Jesus the way I do anyway so who cares. You call it conversion therapy. Try and remember that you chose to share these things for the internet to see so my comment shouldn’t send you over the top. This is literally what you signed up for. To share and be commented on.
@@1ofTheChosen Bud, this is my last comment to you. I have an actual life lol. But this comment made 0 sense at all. Like none. No one is virtue signaling when all the comments say the same thing about you. Do you really lack that much awareness? There are many points that I could make to show that this makes 0 sense but I’m over the conversation. It’s really very simple, you’re a narcissist that attempts to hide under a fake banner of Christianity. And you’re such a narcissist, that you think your worldview of Christianity is the way. I know you’re new here to Christianity so you have a whole lot of zeal. You think you know it all. lol. But God NEVER promised people to “heal or deliver” them from being gay in the natural worldly way that you’re trying to claim. lol. But you’re right, if you serve a Jesus that tells you to get on the internet and advocate for men and women to stay in abusive relationships and that adoption isn’t “as special” as creating a child, we don’t serve the same Jesus. And I’m 1000% okay with that. P.S, I’m bisexual, henceforth having a wife lol. So I CAN create kids 😂.
@@1ofTheChosenyou literally give short man energy. You don’t have to compensate for your height through dickheadary. I see you consistently commenting under all comments to justify your bigotry and in one such comment you claimed feminists will one day roll their eyes when abuse against men is a topic of discussion, however your fucked up belief that somehow being a man and having more testosterone leaves you immune to abuse literally perpetuates that notion that abuse against men shouldn’t be taken seriously. Men can and HAVE been abused, you need to stop speaking from the perspective of an able short white balding middle aged man for a second and realize that there are nuanced life experiences ALL around you. There are people who look like you with mental disabilities that are left vulnerable to emotional manipulation from their wives. This will and HAS happened in the past. That is just one example of the different VARIATIONS of men who cannot essentially “stand up” to their smaller wife. Your argument about having bigger muscles and testosterone is also shit because it would imply that if two men were to fight, the bigger and more physically fit would automatically win due to their build over the smaller dude when in fact we know that smaller men have beat bigger men many times in the past. People like you only learn reason from experience so you literally just need a woman to beat the fuck out of you to realize that women are also humans capable of abuse, torture and murder. I don’t know if you believe female prisons are just institutions for female vanity and makeup tutorials???? First things first, I come from a tall family and I am 6,5 and my LITTLE sister is 5,11 and older sister 6,1. We have definitely fought over the years as many siblings have and that girl (older) has beat my ass up many times. Are you to imply that if she were to be married and abusive she couldn’t do the same to her husband?? Noooo instead I know your response to this would be some shitty sentiment that since she is tall she would only marry a taller man so she would still be weaker, because u said ur self “is this woman really that big to be beating you up as a man, could never be me personally” so I’m taking that as you would never be with a taller woman. That is all bs cuz whatever happened to love? If my sister fell in love with a shorter man then ur argument would be complete shit. Like ur a grown man who heard a man was abused in his marriage but instead of feeling sympathy you put the words abuse in quotation marks. I hate the way you interpret the bible and faith as this concept of laws and regulations that control our daily lives, as opposed to a community of faith and love being encompassed through the very mouths and actions of its believers. But you just SAY it’s that way but you do not prove it with the way you are so quick to criminalize gays though there have been various interpretations over the years pertaining to homosexuality. “Man must not lay with BOY” is one interpretation I have heard that actually refers to pedophilia. And you claimed yourself “they were doing a lot of things” in sodom and Gomorrah to be labeled as sexually deviant but you choose to latch on to your homophobic beliefs. Sure let’s further interpret the fact that the bible says owning slaves is ok, premarital sex is an abomination, eating crawfish is punishable by stoning to death, tattoos are a sin as you are defiling your temple.. just some examples that heterosexual Christians live to Re interpret out of their desire and CHOICE to do those things. But you draw the line at gay people who HAVE NO CHOICE and preach that they should deny themselves happiness for the rest of their lives and die alone due to their “undesired desires” it’s soooo easy for privileged people like you to put gay people in those boxes. “Yea just don’t act on it”…. For life tho?? From the Same man that says even kissing is inherently lustful and you always derive sexual pleasure from kissing so you just want gays to be denied a whole life experience. Marriage is NOT reserved to just Christian’s I was so upset to hear you say that and no one say anything back, there is a reason not all marriages take place in the church, you have to know that countless cultures and beliefs around marriage exists. It’s not just wear one scary white gown, wear one treacherous black suit then say through sickness and health but actually be coming from a place of abuse and neglect instead?? And then when such a union happens and that sacred bond is broken.. they must remain married?? Like??? Re iterating your points is making me physically scratch my head wondering how at your big age you think the way you do. “ I don’t wanna be mean but call it something else” are you insane? The only sensible STRAIGHT person there was the blonde dude cuz y’all seem to think Christianity is a VIP club. When you yourselves can’t even get in 😂 all sins are equal in the holy book with an exception for blasphemy so miss tattoo and mr negative thoughts,(and probably premarital sex, probably a seafood eater) HELL for you🔥 and no we will not be discussing it and no you will not be saved because you continue to commit these acts knowing it goes against Gods will. Do I sound unreasonable?? I’m speaking like you?? A theological warden 💀
@@silentghost751Like when you see someone with a full lived experience of a trait you share. Or like how you look up to your parents/elders. It can be rare to see elderly lgbtq people especially gay men. So it can be a really lovely thing :)
the young woman not taking acountability for her own sins even after saying the worse kind is to sin on your body, which she did, but going after them for being gay tells me everything i need to know.
She has so much judgement in her expressions. Like around the 25:30 mark when the one guy was saying his friend told him that God loves him because he's gay, not despite it. I truly can't wrap my head around why she feels the need to look at the others like she's so above them. In her mind everything seems to be black a white and she thinks there's no way she'd be put in a situation where she'd sin in certain ways. Like girl, people can become abusive after you get married. Child abuse can occur during marriage. Rape can occur during marriage. This is why it's so hard for people to feel welcomed as new Christians...if I were in an abusive marriage, I would not know how to follow a God who would want me to stay in that marriage. I feel that she hasn't experienced enough hardships because she has no empathy for this sort of stuff.
She literally said she done it before she came to Christ and before she knew that it wasn’t right? Having a tattoo from your past isn’t the same as actively committing sin.
I’m case you didn’t know Christianity is not a religion, it’s a relationship. Even still… you left Christianity because of the flaws you see in a human and so you blame God because of it? You say God is either unjust or is not real because you disagree with a person as if you don’t have your own struggles and flaws? How is this Gods fault? Make it make sense. If you were truly ever a Christian than instead of leaving the faith and quitting, you would actually seek God first despite what the world says and what others say. In any case, that young lady did not say one thing that contradicted the Bible whereas every other person there said multiple things that go against scripture so if you wanna blame her and say that all the problems with Christianity are because of people like her, then to that I must suggest that maybe you’re the problem. Clearly you didn’t know much about Christianity to begin with so any opinions you have about Christianity are at the end of the day your views and what you think about things instead of what God thinks about things and what the Bible says. Don’t blame God for the mistakes of man because that is exactly what Jesus died to save us from.
Absolutely! They are so far away from what being a Christian means, they shouldn't call themselves Christians. Their views are selfish delusional and dangerous!
For real. And the commitment to marriage for eternity was so BS. Like a person who abuses their partner isnt committing an abomination to that union? 🤦🏻♀️All she ever had to speak was pure indoctrination from a lifetime of brainwashing, like a parrot repeating phrases they hear others say🤦🏻♀️🙄
I feel bad for saying this because it’s judgmental, but a woman of God should not be this rude and inconsiderate to others. If a woman of God wants to change someone’s mind, she does so respectfully and with empathy, like Jesus would. But a woman of God also should know that she isn’t Jesus and doesn’t have the authority to convict others. I’m talking about the brunette girl here. She makes all Christians look unkind and abrasive.
…yeah. This video was VERY NEEDED & the hardcore/mainly conservative Christians are very cringe to me. Personally I only consider myself spiritual due to my mother who used to be a lesbian/stripper basically disowning me for being gay. I do not believe every word that was printed in the Bible but I do believe & appreciate the good morals/foundations for being a good human being “Christ like” aka being a Christian. This was a tough video & at many times I wanted to click off due to the very triggering responses from TWO individuals I mostly did not agree with while picturing my mother in this same room. I would’ve definitely left crying or almost bout to fight somebody😂 But STILL able to hug it out in the end UNLESS they have a problem with that… which would only further prove many of my “views” Great video Brian & thanks for those who spoke their truths. God bless🤍
Omg I could say so much on this but something that really bothered me was them saying a Christian man wouldn’t beat his wife or sexually abuse his children. Like really?!? What close minded bubble are they living in because there are countless examples of this literally in the church from religious leaders themselves. They’ve even murdered!!!
You didn’t understand the point. To be a Christian, that simply means following Jesus. That’s it. No religion, just Jesus. Jesus would never abuse anyone, therefore if you’re abusing someone, are you truly a Christian? The answer is no.
@@1ofTheChosen I fully understood the point. That’s my point how is she gonna know if she’s marrying a “real” Christian or not. Do most people go into abusive relationships on purpose??? Do people go to churches with abusive priests and pastors on purpose????
@@kaylanicole5126 personally, I like to discuss my relationship with Jesus as well as understand the other’s relationship. That way, I can judge them off the fruit their tree bears. And if they don’t demonstrate actions that align with their words while I’m getting to know them, then that would be a red flag for me. It’s so easy to say words, which is why someone could be mislead by someone else saying all of the right words. But words without action are meaningless. So if someone ended up in an abusive relationship with a “Christian”, I would wonder if they were ever truly a Christian to begin with or if they were just wearing Christianity like a hat. There’s A LOT of people who identify as Christian yet they’ll regularly talk about people behind their back. There’s a lot of people who identify as Christian yet they’ll judge others and deny them heaven as if they are the gatekeepers when truly the only way is Jesus. If you ever encounter someone who claims to be a Christian yet they don’t resemble Jesus even the slightest, I promise you they are not Christian. The easiest way to know who is really trying to follow Jesus and who just claims it with their words, is to read the New Testament yourself. That way you can know the truth yourself and you can judge righteously whenever you come across a “Christian” that doesn’t resemble the teachings of Jesus. As far as church molestation goes and so on and “choosing” that church, abuse happens everywhere. It’s not just a Catholic Church thing. And again I would ask “are they Christian?” The answer would clearly be no.
@@1ofTheChosen that's a total cop out. They're Christian until they do something that makes us look bad and then you say oh they weren't truly Christian then, that wasn't us. We would NEVER do anything like that
@@rusky5101 who’s WE? What’re you talking about? That’s not a cop out. It’s the truth. Stop being so butt hurt and arguing what you don’t believe. Are you a Jesus follower? Do you identify as one? Probably not bc if you did, what I said wouldn’t be considered a cop out. You judge a tree off the fruit it bears. That means if someone says they follow Jesus yet behave in ways Jesus didn’t, then they are not truly following Jesus. Hope this makes sense to you ❤️ if not, let me know. I got you.
Oh my, some of these people have never lived through domestic violence and child abuse, or have had to cope with severe family mental illness and it SHOWS.
The crap my mom put me and my dad through man. I’m forever grateful they divorced and found different people. It allowed me to finally be safe and happy. I’m now on my way to becoming a medical doctor
The problem is that some part of them thinks that their Faith is the reason they have been sheltered that way and they are therefore living and believing perfectly correctly. The flip side being that the traumatized and abused weren't. But they won't say that part out loud, usually.
Orange shirt showed amazing self control and respect, having been abused by his ex wife, despite blue hat repeatedly making light of men who “let” a girl beat them up. Stunned that he couldn’t show more empathy after orange shirt admits that the abuse happened to him.. like dude really what are you even trying to say.
Dude said his wife was up to his belly button. That 6 foot man couldn’t do anything about that small woman abusing him? Interesting. He also never said it was physical. And if it was, again I ask, nothing he could do?
@@1ofTheChosen I don’t know his situation either, but I do know that if someone says they endured abuse of any kind my first response as a Christian is to believe them and show support/love. I’ve known more than a few men who’ve endured it from women. A colleague of mine was emotionally and physically abused by a few women in his life, he was a really kind soft spoken guy, and from what I could see he couldn’t bring himself to harm or get physical with someone he loved. He tried to brush it off but I witnessed some of it and it was heartbreaking to see. Everyone’s situation is different.
@@Forge17 oh I believe Malik. I just don’t believe there’s nothing that could have been done to improve the situation. Was he getting beat up? I doubt it. He’s a big guy. Emotionally abusive? That sounds more likely and then if that’s the case, therapy is an option before giving up.
@@1ofTheChosen 1) you have a real problem and you should go seek help. You lack compassion and your viewpoints are of a detriment to society. Not to mention, you’re sexist. Normalizing abuse of any kind is toxic, anti biblical, and in reality, just stupid. It doesn’t no matter WHAT form of abuse is happening and who is carrying it out. People do not have to subject themselves to abuse of any kind no matter that their gender is. So me touching my ex wife in a physically!abusive way, emotionally abusive language, or mentally abusive would be wrong. Period. Just like it is if it’s done to me on her end. But because I have a dick and and I’m 6 foot I’m supposed to do something about it and work through?? Your wack viewpoint is why people die in abusive relationships And pretending like we didn’t have a more detailed conversation about this on and off camera to attempt to not come off as a homophobic, sexist, bigot is CRAZY. Cut that shit out in this comment section . And if you believe Jesus is the way like you claim, you’d simply apologize for you wack views on adoption and abuse that you displayed here It’s okay to misstep. It’s NOT okay to double down on said toxicity.
@@1ofTheChosenANDDDD I DONT need you to believe me. Nor do you need to have all the facts. We are not friends lol.. BUT what I do need you to do is find a way to back up your disgusting viewpoints without mentioning me and my size in every comment on this thread. Find another way to back up having a stupid opinion, but stop using me, my height, and gender as a point in that opinion. You can start there.
😂😂😂😂 hey I’m sorry. I didn’t mean anything by that. You missed the point I made. All I was saying that the desire to have a family is within us all. Adopting a child is you acting on a desire to start a family. Most people have heterosexual sex and create a baby, would you agree? It’s not 50/50 adoption vs making a baby. The point was that we all have that desire. Everyone in that room had the desire to have a kid someday. All of us. That was the point I was making :) I’m blue hat guy and I support adoption! In fact, the Bible mentions caring for widowed women and their children. :)
@CoolMustacheDude Quick question, you mentioned your theory that homosexuality might be a sin due to not being able to have children- many straight men and women are unable to have children too! Is adopting less than having biological children? Why would being gay be against the bible otherwise? And if God made people in his image, why did he create gay people?
@@1ofTheChosenWhat's the basis for “the desire to have children is all within us”? Cause I've met tons of people who can, but they don't have or desire to have kids.
@@OlaWHalim exactly, ever since I was young I knew I would not want to deal with the financial issues, family issues, yata yata w having children, I just don’t want em 🤷 and that’s literally fine
Brown hair girl needs a reality check. No one goes into a relationship thinking “I think this person is a pedophile.” The fact she said there’s no chance she would get with someone like that is ignorant. Same goes for abuse. You can’t see the future and you can’t read someone’s mind. No one intends to get with someone abusive, it just unfortunately happens to some people
When she said that it brought chills down my arms. If her belief is so strong in God and Jesus she should be well aware those are fighting words in the spiritual realm. Never say never..
@@ponquin yall either gay men or soft men. I’m a man and this is my opinion about men being victims of abuse done by women. I can guarantee you there is NO WOMAN that will EVER abuse me physically. If she abused me emotionally, I can try therapy or counseling or anything to resolve the issue. If the woman remains verbally abusive, then she clearly never loved me to begin with. As a straight, masculine male, this is my opinion. I understand if you’re not a straight or masculine male that you could disagree with this. It’s like you men forget we’ve got testosterone and strength over women. To say you divorced your wife bc she was verbally abusive or even physically abusive is weak af for the reasons I’ve stated. The man doesn’t have the strength to figure it out? Weak. Not surprising though considering we live during this strange time of effeminate and weak men.
I find it interesting that the woman in the brown jacket is saying you have to follow every single part of the bible and then saying homosexuality as a sin should not be committed. Yet she has pierced ears, makeup, pants, and is ignoring that the bible says no sin is greater than any other sin.
We’re also told to repent. By definition that means to stop doing the sins that we know to be a sin. If it was 100% obviously not a sin to be gay, then we wouldn’t have people go from homosexual to heterosexual or people detransition who say it was all done through Jesus. You mean to tell me all of those claims are lies? That they were forced to change? If that’s your angle, then one could argue the same for why someone indulges their homosexual desires. Did society entice them? I’m sure there’s a lot of homosexuals who feel that being gay isn’t right yet they continue. Also, maybe I’m wrong. I’m not gay so I don’t know. My point is that if it’s revealed to the person that their homosexuality is a sin, they are then called to repent. If they don’t, just like with any sin, we are then willfully living in our sin and then one could question whether or not someone is truly following Jesus by simply judging the fruit of their tree. This is 100% a logical thought process.
@@1ofTheChosen Sexuality isn't something you can just change. There have been many cases where people go to conversion therapy and get "fixed" just to come out decades later and admit that they, in fact, have not changed. They were not forced to change, they were forced to hide. The argument that sexuality is a choice is extremely outdated. I feel that something a lot of people fail to remember is that not everyone believes in God. Saying "homosexuality is a sin" or "you're going to hell" means absolutely nothing if the person you're saying it to does not believe in such things. They're wasting their breath spewing hatred for no valid reason. And another thing is that some straight people will say "being gay is a choice" which is absurd because how could you possibly know that if you yourself are not gay?
@@1ofTheChosen It's interesting how you may read the Bible, but you can't seem to understand the context in which it was written. I'm not about to sit here an deny that there weren't same sex relations in ancient times and yet because they were written of you assume that they understood the difference between an act versus that of a sexual orientation (they didn't) . Sodom was about inhospitality unto another and more specifically rape just like the companion story in Judges. In Leviticus, man shall not lie with a man as they do with woman, but no one seems to understand English or human biology, because it's physically impossible. It's amazing how Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:19 applies to me and my community, but the rest of it doesn't apply to you, cherry picker. The Hebrew doesn't say this. Romans 1 was speaking of idolatrous acts. In Corinthians, Paul was speaking of male prostitution as in Timothy. Some of us who study the Bible professionally would know this. There are plenty of biblical scholars on TH-cam who can help you. I think it's interesting how you'd call yourself a follower of Christ, but would much rather follow one of the 4 authors of the Torah and Paul. Paul died for no one's sins, let alone the being son of God. In Matthew 7, it's asks why do you look for the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and not see the plank in your own? And it continues judge and you will be judged and by the same measure. In Matthew 23, it states closing the doors to heaven unto others, you only close the doors unto yourself. In Luke, the Pharisee says, I'm a sinner, but I'm not x, y, or z and the tax collector just asks for forgiveness because he's a sinner. For it's better to be the tax collector. In 2 Romans 1, it says condemn and you'll be condemned. In James 2:10, when you've broken one, you've broken them all. For you see, no one sin is greater or lesser than another. Repeating lies that someone else told you and how you should perceive them to be, doesn't make them right anymore than yourself. To you there are 6, to me there are none when pertaining to homosexuality as an orientation. Homosexuality wasn't a word until the mid 19th century. Until we have the originals (because we don't) , I'll live my life. The only difference is I'm not telling others what to do, when to or how to, because I'm not their master or lord or their God, but I will most certainly love my neighbor (Leviticus 19) as difficult sometimes that may be and my God. PS The act of repentance isn't supposed to make our fellow man happier, just God.
Judith, if you ever see this you are amazing!!!, i lovee how you where so calm and responed each time with an educated response, clearly aware of this shitty world we've created and aware of your self, you've done that inner work and i applaud you for that,keep been this cool and awesome !!! wish you where my grandma hehe 😅💚
It was pretty clear he meant physically abused which men can be physically abused but then it’s also like damn how big and strong is this woman that you’re a man getting beat up and can’t do anything about it?
@@1ofTheChosen why does it matter if a woman is “big and strong?” Oh? That doesn’t fucking matter. Like why focus on that SOO much? It’s fucking weird. NO ONE should be hitting ANYONE regardless if they’re “big and strong” or not. And when you’re saying “…can’t do anything about it” are you insinuating the man should hit her back? That’s very Christian of you!!
@@1ofTheChosenMany men, despite being physically stronger are not psychologically stronger. Abusive women have a tendency to drain people mentally first, so if it turns to physical violence the person is too mentally destroyed to fight back. Other men just take it because they have it ingrained that they can never fight back against a woman. Sometimes, when men call the cops on abusive women, they are the ones who get arrested whether they fight back or not. It's not really as simple as being physically stronger or not.
@@1ofTheChosen Well it could be that the man is REALLY against or even afraid of hurting other people (both fysically and mentally) so they kinda just can't do anything because if they fysically try to stop the abuse, it can be seen as hurting the other person fysically, and if they try to leave or talk with their partner to stop, it could hurt them mentally.. It could also be that they're being manipulated into staying in the relationship, that it's okay for the wife to beat the man, that if the man does anything they'll go to hell (assuming they're christian since that was what they talked about in the video). And it could be that the man thinks very poorly of himself, that he deservs the abuse, that he's useless, that his only porpose is to get married, and that the only reason why he's still alive is to make his wife happy.
I was on the blue hat side for a little bit until he started talking about abuse. That’s when he lost me. “Is the man really getting beat up”? The man doesn’t have to be physically beat up by his girlfriend, or wife for him to be abused. And him making that statement is the reason why a lot men don’t report when they are being physically abused by their wife or girlfriend. And this is why I stay away from religion. Because in my opinion people that walk the religious road so blindly are some of the most judgmental and hateful people you will ever encounter.
There are three types of abuse, physical, psychological and spiritual. I wouldn't expect him to understand human psychology since he can barely understand the Bible. Christian, I think not. Pharisee is more like it. What got me is that can't seem to understand that not all men can impregnate a woman because of low sperm counts for one reason or another. What he was doing was inadvertently shaming others.
Well, first off, I’m a man so my opinion on men being “beat up” by women is rooted in the fact that I’m a man and I can assure there is no woman I would find myself in a relationship with capable of beating me up. One, because I’m a man with testosterone so naturally I’m stronger and two, I have larger muscles than a woman. Those are fair reasons as to why I question how it’s possible for a man his size to get physically abused by a woman he said was basically up to his belly button. If it’s emotional abuse, I then would suggest therapy before giving up. There’s a lot of options especially when it comes to mental abuse. Physical abuse is tougher bc no one should be getting hit by anyone, but as a man I can assure you I can prevent a woman from “beating me up” and I can make this claim with certainty because I’m a man. Are you a man? If not, then you truly don’t know and if you are a man then I’d wonder how many women you’ve encountered in your life who beat you up and there was nothing you could do about it. Are these 6 foot tall, 250 pound women beating you up? Even then I would assume you could run away from those large women lol. Don’t be mad at me for being a man and having questions and even doubt about a man getting beat up by a woman half their size. I’m blue hat guy btw 😘😏❤️
You just making that comment about emotional abuse shows how ill informed you are and okay to speak on things you know not about. Ignorance is bad enough but having confidence and ignorance is dangerous. I myself have not been through anything I would consider abuse, in a relationship, however I am a mental health professional and I have heard many people tell me that emotional abuse is worse than physical. Is this a subjective opinion? Maybe. But this is just a small example of why your version of Christianity is the bane of Christianity’s existence.
@@TheIluAmin when I said “physical abuse is tougher” in my previous comment, I meant it in the sense of “more difficult”. I should have said that instead. And what I mean by physical abuse is more difficult is that there aren’t as many options to help through it. Physical abuse being a tougher situation to make a good case for, although one can be made, is what I was saying. If it’s a man being physically abused, one it’s hard for me to believe and two, therapy is a good option. Because I truly believe it’s unlikely the man is just being manhandled by this woman who’s beating him up. This is a hypothetical, not aimed at anyone. And I feel this way bc I’m a man. Emotional abuse can be treated with therapy and hopefully together as a couple so the one causing the harm can hopefully hear it and process it to make the changes necessary. As a therapist, I’m sure you believe we’re all capable of change, yes? And wouldn’t you also agree that experience is the best teacher? So if you’ve never been in an abusive relationship then how can you condemn my opinion on your assumption that I’ve never been in an abusive relationship? That’s not fair, right? “My Christianity” isn’t harming anyone at all. In fact, I’m certain my words aren’t harming anyone because nothing I’ve said isn’t coming from emotion with the intent to hurt people but it’s coming from what I believe to be logical truths which is why I can explain myself. If I’m wrong, then I can be corrected by anyone sharing greater logic to disprove me. Not with emotion, but logic. I truly believe I’m at least accurately sharing who Jesus is with my words even if my physical actions don’t always match Jesus.
@@333wiz8 Here is your evidence. 1 Corinthians 6: 9 - 10 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I mean I'm pretty sure it's only hardcore LDS and Baptists that say all sin is the same and therefore it's automatic and not exclusive and yet also say Bible first ..it's idiots the whole way up and down tbf.
This is wild. I really appreciated the older woman's wisdom in looking more broadly at history and context. It's so strange to me that you would spend so much time thinking about this story from 2000 years ago from the other side of the world from this conversation, and think that the current understanding in your neck of the woods is the right/only one. Everyone thinks theirs is the right one!!! Shouldn't that be a clue? Just think about how language and translations work for one moment. How could you possibly have the same understanding, or be following the same god?
I agree that some people live in delusion. This whole " all will be forgiven no matter how sinful life you've lead" is just unrealistic. Yeshua is my savior but if you gonna tell me that p*dophiles,r*pists and the likes are gonna go to Heaven...then I have no desire to go to Heaven. No idea where I'll land after but I certainly would refuse to go to Heaven. You can see how f*cked up world is now. What will be different after if "all is forgiven " ? Nothing. Same old sh*t.
We have dead sea scrolls and parts of the Bible written in original Greek and Hebrew, and people know and can even speak these languages even tho it's a dead language, so they arnt different, the old woman was wrong the bible is translated correctly, you could tell if you were to learn Greek/Hebrew, or if you read the Bible yourself
@@m.gattus-reinhart845proof I read Matthew was that I said all I know is Jesus is the way and that’s all I know. I’m well aware I shouldn’t push people back even a hair away from Jesus. But nothing I said was a lie. Nothing I said pushed them away. That’s specifically why I said “all I know for sure is Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.”
It's weird that I agree with the oldest person in the room the most (not a common occurrence), while also probably being younger than everyone there. I grew up around a lot of different types of Christianity. I attended a Quaker school in Ireland growing up. My grandad was a religious minister in South Africa and my mom's side of the family is Greek Orthodox. Everyone on my dad's side thinks I'm going to hell and I don't have contact with them. I think after watching this it became apparent that the younger Christians either haven't lived long enough or were never taught about the atrocities of Christianity. Some people said that a lot of these hypotheticals weren't happening. For example, to those who think that way, please go and learn about Christianity in Ireland, the atrocities the church committed and what happened to all those poor girls and babies. There is no God in many religious places. The Church often interprets the bible and turns faith into something hateful. I believe God is in love and can be found everywhere. I also believe that both my fiancé (a man) and I are going to Heaven.
Nah, the Christians here basically do whatever they want. There are VERY religious sects though like Evangelicals but as others have said, there are more extreme ones in other colonized countries.
hard hard watch as a lesbian who was a repressed gay christian for years. brought back all the arguments that people used to make me believe I was a sin, that woman and blue hat guy are truly causing so much harm even though I very much know how people become that. still an important conversation but damn.
If being honest “causes so much harm” then you sound like you’ve got some strong biases to work through. You can’t be upset with people who logically explain why they feel the way they do. The hypotheticals only came from the homosexual side because hypotheticals are needed when your opinion is difficult to defend with logic and truth.
@@sakuraitonen5886 when speaking amongst “Christians”, we should be in agreement on what’s true and what’s not since Christian’s claim to follow Jesus and in doing so we follow His Word. So this isn’t “my truth” but rather the truth I’ve gained from reading the New Testament. This video claims everyone is a Jesus follower but clearly everyone in the video is not since mostly everyone in the video is in disagreement except for TWO of the Jesus followers in the video. Also, a surrogate birth for a homosexual couple still isn’t considered natural or even “biologically theirs” since a homosexual couple only has HALF of the resources required to create life. Two men would still need the egg of a woman and two women will still need the seed from a man. If in the future you’re able to have an artificial seed or an artificial egg as a filler, then that still isn’t natural or even biologically natural so your claim about surrogacy for homosexual couples being equal or “just as special” is false. You can’t claim something to be equal to an experience you have never and might never experience. That’s like me saying I know how it feels to be a woman simply because I’ve put on a dress and grown my hair out. No. There’s far more that goes into it.
@@1ofTheChosenYour logic and truth comes from a book written by people and the only evidence you have to support this book is the book itself. Make it make sense. This is like me typing I am god. Then typing. The previous sentence stating I am god is what you need to believe to go to this paradise after death.
@@hecatesowl8688 my logic and truth was there before I read the Bible; the New Testament only confirmed it. A book written by men? Uhh that’s ALL books lol. Anyway, what evidence outside of the Bible is needed for my points to be true? There’s atheists who would also agree with my points. 99% of the “truth” that I believe in, I can guarantee you do as well. The 1% difference might be on homosexuality and following Jesus, but the rest I know we agree on. So what’s your point? Is your argument that Jesus is made up? Is that why you mentioned the Bible was written by men? Just curious bc of your “if I wrote this sentence and claimed to be god…” argument. I can clear up any confusion for you so just lmk.
I found my self agreeing with the beliefs of Judith, Malik, and Brian completely. They supported their thoughts with the gospel and had factual interpretations, likely from the experience growing up within Christianity and being LGBTQ+ simultaneously leads to doubt over what you're told to believe with blind faith and needing to do your own Bible study.
Blue hat man and brown jacket woman are giving me closeted and sociopath vibes respectively. The fast talking, blind worship, shooting down of anything LGBT, ridiculous views on tattoos . . . wow. And pleeeeeease drop the “sentencing” argument. Y’all need science, meditation, and love. ❤
can you imagine that when you die you find out that there really is a god, which is Cthulhu 🐙 ...and we all go to hell because we didn't understand that we should give him a sacrifice every 100 years lol
@@jijitters Thanks for adding your two cents, but Lord of the Rings isn't historically and archaeologically accurate like the Bible is. Also, it doesn't have the power to transport someone out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light and bring eternal life.
From the very first clip of the video before the old lady started talking to the very last clip, through when the old lady spoke, I knew I was gonna love her. She is amazing.
The nerve of the guy with the baseball cap to ask a white-haired lady "what cultural pressure did you feel to have kids?" Back in her day, it was not a choice, there could not have been more cultural pressure to have kids back then. People act like women's freedoms today are something that should be taken for granted, but they haven't been around very long
Blue hat opposes to the older woman saying she doesn’t have the authority to disagree with Paul, but he thinks he has the authority to decipher who is a good Christian??? That’s hypocritical to think he’s above anyone else.
Hypocrisy seems to define Christianity and Christians. They'd much rather be the Church of the Pharisee versus the Church of Jesus. Matthew 7 doesn't seem to sink in.
No I found it interesting that she disagrees with Paul bc nothing Paul wrote pushes anyone away. She picks and chooses what she wants to believe is what it seems. All I know is Jesus is the way. Everyone should look into Jesus themselves despite what they’ve heard from anyone. Let you decide for yourself :)
Nothing Paul wrote pushes anyone away? People have used Paul's writing for centuries to deny women an equal place in the church. We know that Jesus loved and respected women. We also know Jesus never said anything (as recorded in the Bible) about gay people, but words attributed to Paul have historically hurt women and LGBTQ folks. @@1ofTheChosen
@@originalslicey it isn’t denying women anything. The Bible also states that the man is the head of the house. That’s why women aren’t allowed to be preachers. My assumption for this is it is to prevent disagreements and because often, women are more emotionally charged than men. There’s no room for “emotional arguments” when sharing the word of God. Only what’s written and the facts of what’s written. How are women being held back other than them not Being allowed to be the heads of a church? Also, I said nothing written in the Bible is bad, I didn’t specify Paul alone. Homosexuality being an abomination is from the Old Testament and Jesus said He didn’t come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. That not a single dot or iota will be changed. Homosexuality is just one example of people struggling to deny their sin. We also are told to not be drunks and I guarantee you there’s people who struggle with alcohol just as much as people struggle with homosexuality. The logic is one produces life and the other does not. A man can not create life with another man; and the same for a woman with a woman. Look at nature all around you. Every living species is designed to procreate and if they don’t, they no longer exist. In the beginning, God made man and woman. Why? To populate the earth. You wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for a man and a woman, that goes for me too and everyone alive today. We exist bc a man and a woman created us. God designed us for a reason and a homosexual relationship goes against that design. If I’m wrong then feel free to provide a logical rebuttal. If someone feels pushed away from God due to their sin, that truly is biblical and falls on them. There’s sin I had to quit that was hard for me and everyday is a process.
First of all, women can absolutely be preachers. Sects of Christianity that don't allow this are patriarchal and sexist. MEN decided not to let women preach. God didn't decide this. Jesus didn't say this. There are many examples in the Bible of women holding leadership positions above men. Women preachers, prophets, judges, teachers, ministers, evangelizers. You don't have to look farther than Mary Magdalene to see how much Jesus valued women and their EQUAL place in the church! There are only seven passages in the Bible which MIGHT relate to homosexuality. Scholars agree that most of these used to condemn homosexuality are wrongly interpreted. Biblical exegesis requires us to look at Biblical passages in context. In the time they were written, who was being addresses, what the original language meant, in the context of the rest of the passage and any related passages. You can't just take a line out of the Bible and assume you know what is meant by it. You mention equating it to other sins, but I don't believe it's a sin at all. Homosexuality isn't just a practise. It's an identity. We understand sexual identity today the way they didn't in ancient times. Procreation is not the only reason people marry. It's also not a reward for being married. You say to look at nature for proof. If you actually looked to nature you would find numerous examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom. There's even intersex and transsexual examples in the animal kindgom! Natural biological variations of the more typical cisgender and heterosexual orientations - just like humans! You say in the beginning, "God made man and woman....to populate the Earth." Did he? Are you sure? The story of Adam and Eve isn't literal, after all. It's an allegory. A Creation story that doesn't originate in Christianity. Just like nature keeps plugging along even when some animals exhibit homosexual behaviour, humanity is more than capable of populating the earth even if every single man and woman don't choose to procreate.@@1ofTheChosen
I came here to say I am bi woman and engaged to a man and we want to adopt just because that’s what we want and no other reason . I’ve always wanted to help a child have a better life and support them in a loving home and I have had a lot of adopted friends, so I’ve always had a desire to adopt over giving birth. If I get pregnant, fine but it’s not my preference. Not just infertile people or gay people want to adopt.
I feel so bad for the Christians out there that are genuinely well-adjusted kind people, it's like these crazy fundamentalists are trying to make y'all look bad on purpose. These people must make sundays a chore. God bless everyone who has the strength to stand up to lunatics who act like abuse is somehow not the end of a marriage
I love how they brought up how the Bible's interpretation varies based upon who is reading it. Certainly highlights how we are able to justify certain deeds on the basis of current rules in society. That's how missionaries and Christians would justify slavery and abuse. I agree that Jesus is in nature and the main theme is love. I believe the ability to read is shaped by how we channel our ancestors lens' through the text as well, like when those captured learned to use the Book as a tool against their enslavers.
I was shocked that no one brought up the justification of slavery as something bad that happened in large part due to a literal interpretation of the Bible.
The one who got mad at the hypothetical questions because she “would never” get into an abusive relationship made my blood boil… you literally don’t find out they will be that way until later and it’s typically super charming people. Also the two talking about lust I swear are lusting over eachother in this 😂 Side note I LOVE the older lady and glad she touched on the Bible being altered bc it def said men can’t lay with children NOT men and men .. think logically for a second which one is actually evil. but why do so many Christians forget that ALL SIN IN SUPPOSED TO BE EQUAL - they need to stop with this bs about you can’t act on being gay if you want to go to Heaven yet everyone does gluttony , speaking the Lord’s name in vain and so much more allll the time and people don’t bat an eye
Honestly I'm most worried for her because she seems like the type that if (god forbid) her husband ever did something terrible, she'd be the type to sweep it under the rug and pretend like they're still the perfect, Christian family.
Brian, I wanted to be in this video so bad! I’m a Christian and some of the words coming out of the conservative Christian’s mouths made my blood boil. This is why Christian’s have a bad rep. This is why I’m scared to go back to big churches because I grew up in a very manipulative, abusive church and it has taken YEARS to work through that trauma. Jesus hung out with prostitutes and was essentially homeless. Some of these people think they’re better than other people because they have “perfect” faith (no such thing). Faith is faith. You never get it taken away from you once you make that decision to love God. Only you can decide that.
Hey :) truly asking out of curiosity. What made your blood boil with what the conservative Christian’s were saying? They seemed respectful, truly listening and giving their honest response. No one seemed to be condemning anyone or even judging anyone. In fact, they said Jesus is for everyone by saying that there’s no “works” that earn your way into heaven and that it is simply faith based through Jesus. Can you elaborate? Sometimes emotions take over despite there being logical answers given.
Jesus hung out with prostitutes? Are you saying he slept with them? Or are you just saying he was near them lol. There’s no perfect faith being preached in this video. What was being preached in this video is to stop coping.
@@1ofTheChosenyou and the brunette woman were wonderful. please keep doing what you were doing. you were both respectful and actually followed the Bible's teachings, unlike the other "Christians"
This is why I am not a fan of organized religion. At the end of the day my relationship with God is just that, my relationship. Point blank, not discussion needed. This is my journey not yours so how can you tell me what to believe or not to believe. Im not here to tell you what to do and vice versa. You do you, boo!
Bc I’m like damn how huge is this woman that she’s whoopin your ass? Malik said she was up to his belly button. Like come on bro. You’re 6 foot 10 and have testosterone. Like really? Why get married then if you can’t handle a wife up to your belly button getting aggressive?
I don't really like this discussion because it seems very narrowly related to a Fundamentalist Christian definition of Christianity (except maybe for the older woman). There is no consideration to the things that Biblical scholars discuss or other interpretations of Christianity. In much of mainstream culture what is often portrayed as Christian seems to be what people have picked up from heresay or how they think Christians should be rather than any real understanding or in-depth awareness of how the religion developed, theology or much of anything outside of very narrow constrains.
Hello can we tak about how mature Malik was. He presented right arguments, didn't seem aggressive at all when Natalie indirectly invalidated him. The way how he used rationality while staying respectful was just amazing. W Malik. To be honest did not get the vibe from Natalie at all, not because she's christian, but because she had this passive aggressive tone of voice throughout pretty much the whole vid.
That dude sitting there trying to say abused men should stick around…. Oh honey, NO. Nobody, of any gender, deserves abuse. And nobody, of any gender, should feel obligated to try to please an abuser.
I think his statement shows that he has been shielded from the ugly realities of domestic abuse . I know plenty of people who have a hard time understanding or believing ‘evil’ things happen because they haven’t seen it with their own eyes or experienced it . This type of naivety can be problematic and at the same time , I wish I could be that naive about the world
I can't believe these oh-so-perfect christians think cheating is the only thing that makes a divorce okay. I'm absolutely flabbergasted, especially the question of who's abusive to whom. Like... why does that even matter? Abuse is in my eyes even worse than cheating. So, if your spouse kills someone you have to stay married to them? If they beat you up, you have to be afraid to go to hell if you divorce them? Some people really should think about their standards. And, how naive is Natalie? Like, does she actually think people get married to someone knowing they are child abusers? These things most of the time only come out after marriage. And then laughing at the question what if her spouse turns out gay or trans. I didn't know I was omnisexual until my mid-twenties. Other people are even too afraid to admit their sexuality and go into pretend relationships. Seriously, that girl needs to grow up and get some life experience. She hasn't seen the world yet, living in a bubble of her own. I'm glad our church celebrates pride day and gives me at least a bit faith in humanity.
I’m not christian and don’t know what the Bible says but from what brown jacket says - the Bible states that divorce is only allowed when there’s adultery . If that’s what the Bible says then that’s what the Bible says . Also - if the Bible says marriage is only valid in the church then marriage outside of the church isn’t valid . Personally I don’t agree with that but again- if that’s the rule in the Bible , then my personal feelings doesn’t change what is written in the Bible and that’s ok cuz I’m not Christian and don’t believe in that.
The brown hair girl and the guy in the blue hat made me upset watching this. As a survivor of abuse, it’s disgusting to hear what they have to say about it. They are lucky they never had to experience that. Someone being abused should absolutely get divorced and get the help to do so. It’s not easy to leave and their comments are terrible and show the lack of education/knowledge on the subject. Leaving is difficult and not an easy thing to do.
The joy and happiness i got after leaving the church is so beyond anything i ever got within the church. Watching this video just makes me glad that i got out of the religion, personally.
The happiness, self love, the acceptance of learning to actually love and accept others, the spiritual serenity of knowing what my core beliefs really were and how they had nothing to do with the cult; the release of so much hate and judgement, not thinking im self righteous or belittling others to guilt them into religious misery, the ability to think for myself, have boundaries and self respect because im not filled with guilt that somebody is taking advantage of my faith, true empathy that isn't driven by a potential punishment...... Yeah, all those things came once i decided to live my best life, away from a religion. Honestly, i think god/ Jesus is pretty much the equivalent of a nebulous tyrant father that went out for milk 2,000 years ago, who promised to come back; but really, he just abandoned all his kids🙄😂
I really just don’t understand this. You can’t be homosexual in the Bible. That older woman was picking and choosing what to believe. She is not a true Christian/Catholic.
There’s a difference in walking in sin and falling in sin. As Christian’s we should remember this. When you’re following Christ, you have to lay down your worldly desires and pick up your cross. Jesus was so peaceful and kind. But one thing people forget is that Jesus was also honest and bold. These are qualities that Christian’s need. One of Jesus many names is The Lion of Judah.
This is why I stopped being a catholic. The bible is written by men. I think its what you do in life that counts. If you look at the history of priests and christianity, they've done a lot of questionable things in the past and may still be doing it till now so whats stopping them from shaping the bible to fit their motives.
@@brynnneumann5983 i know that RC is under Christianity. They may have some slight differences from the other branches under christianity but they mostly follow that there is a god, that christ is the son of god, and that the bible is the word of god. They have the same stance against the LGBT.
@@brynnneumann5983Christianity means follower of Christ. Catholics are follower of Christ. All their teachings is based off of Christ. They don’t use a different God
i just want to hug the old lady. she was never allowed to speak, and when she did she was constantly interrupted and yelled at, no respect. They all could have learnt a lot from her love you Judith! you did well
Your videos are just wholesome. Its just so very nice seeing people come together to discuss something which they sure know beforehand they wont agree with each other. And this is how you get more openminded - by listening, thinking and accepting there are people who think differently and that‘s okay and no reason to start a fight over - because it‘s actually a good thing and you could see that we all have something in common even though we are on different sides of the page. That’s the pinacle of communication. It just gotten a rare thing people doing this I feel. Disagreeing each other without involving emotion and starting hatred about what is right and what not. Seriously these videos make my day a little brighter. Thank you for doing what you do.
Hope the brown jacket girl reads these comments and makes some core personality changes, haven’t come across someone this insanely dislikable in a while. Also, the adoption comment was so out of pocket. These self righteous religious people scream about how women can’t get abortions and instead should put the kid up for adoption- yet they don’t even consider adopted children to be as “special” as non adopted kids…? 🙄
My one criticism of this video is that they should have ended it with prayer. Reunite with one another and remember that we are all called to a purpose and united under our father. But each has their own assignment known only to father God. Reuniting and humbling themselves with prayer at the end would have been a great way to show that Christianity is not who we are, it’s what is practiced. Who we are is what Jesus came to do, which is to love. I love you all and love the video. ❤
I love this. Fun, sweet people! Impressed with how charitable you guys were about such intense topics and widely different understandings of the subjects. Thanks for good content.
I stopped being a Christian when my step father turn abusive to us kids and our mother and all my step father had to do was ask God for forgiveness and all will be absolved. Then the next morning the abuse would continue again. Just go to church, pray for forgiveness and repeat. Was told by the Minister and doctors that I need to have holy Ghost beaten in us. We had to obey our step father absolutely and he could do no wrong and would not let my mother get a divorce to end the cycle. All because the Bible said so.. Jesus said so. Three broken bones in order to protect my sister from being raped by him. Good Christian man and obey faithful wife. This last 6 yrs and several more broken bones. But when I turned 18yrs , I left home and next week brought the cops with me. He was convicted of 1st degree felony spouse and child abuse. On the stand he insisted the god forgave him and so should man. 15 yrs in jail and no parole. That was 30 yrs ago and I am still banished from his family and the church. God may forgive but man does not
Short answer - Yes.. I still have faith but not in a Christian, Muslim or Jewish God. I am now a devote Taoist. I was taught him (ironically) that if you are truly sorry for your behavior or action then you would stop doing it. He did not. @@emekaokafor7179
A footnote: From 14yrs to 18yrs, I was placed in seminary school during my Summer months off from school. To help me "understand better" the mysteries and ways of fundamental Christian doctrine. I became the "model fundamental Christian". In the end, I could not in good faith reconcile my step father and what I was being trained in. I was forced to choose between him, my faith and Jesus. Unfortunately all was lost for inner peace and sanity. @@emekaokafor7179
@@emekaokafor7179 I could not support a faith/religion which would both tolerate/permit such actions on an individual or social scale with no consequences. Not long after my childhood, I turned to Taoism for my connection with the Creator. It was through Taoism I found healing and belief mankind could become better.
This chick is cray cray. Did she just say you should take steps to not get beat up, go to a friends house and not divorce the abuser! WOW! tHIS IS WHY PEOPLE ARE RUNNING FROM CHURCHES!
Great debate… the topics were intense but they handled it accordingly especially the gay people. I took with me on this debate because we are sinners, we shouldn’t stop trying to repent from our sinful ways.
Natalie is such a pain About marriage yes you should only do it when truly in love and be committed to that relationship, but people can change all it takes is one bad event to send a person down a dark path which could make that person abusive or distant/unloving and nobody deserves to be stuck in a relationship like that.
Thank you and also why are you religious when your so called religion doesn’t like “gays” and deems that you are going to a place called Hell.🤷🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
I'm An Atheist - and I find the very idea of a almighty creator creating us with bodily needs and punishing us for fulfilling them absurd. Sexuality and the need to connect are no more or less than the need to breathe or eat. Sometimes, when I'm in a pessimistic mood, I come to think that the fear of sexuality is used by so many religions because no one could ever live up to the standarts, so people have a guilty conscience about it, allowing them to be more easily manipulated and controlled. Sidenote: If one thinks kisses were not sexual, they need more practise....
I find so much similarities with the lad in orange. I became a Christian at 17, then experienced God in ways I never thought possible, saw the supernatural, would live to read the bible, study it, proclaiming Jesus and his word. I also got married. But I always had same sex attractions, I would pray away the gay, I would fast and pray, I would cry out for 'deliverance', but it never came to me (the 'gay' was never taken away). Eventually, my ex wife turned out to be a lesbian who had repressed those feelings all her life, me being unaware of this. Eventually, this broke us. All I know is what jesus answers to his disciples at the sermon on the mount. Matthew 19:23-26. When you read what Jesus says, you realise we will always fall short. Especially when it comes to adultery/coveting in the heart. You will fall short. And we can never be saved by our own graces, even if I am a straight married man believing in Christ. Ultimately, He is the one who can save and not my actions. Ans how dare I dictate who God decides to save or not, especially when they believe He is the way, the truth and life. And guys, stop hating on the straight Christians! They have never been in our shoes so it's hard for them to comprehend fully what it's like and to empathize with us. Let's love them, as Christ loves them and loves us.
Tbh the girl blew my mind.. the guy was even worse though. Blatant sexism and trying to make things more personal to win the interpersonal conversations. On top of this, he believes that his Bible has never been changed… I think we all know the Bible was changed even by the simple translation.. and there’s a reason why there are so many different versions of the Bible. Believing that LGBTQ+ people belong in hell because of their sexuality is so archaic and repressive. It is a personable choice based on happiness that cements love as a necessity in life. It’s okay to love or not love, not once was it said that a straight person can be alone but they referred to “loneliness”. These personal connections are part of the human situation. Additionally, it is biological and a personal choice to want children. Humans are social beings. Social interactions create chemical reactions in our brains that bring us joy. Fulfillment is something that is constantly sought for, this is why there are social expectations being brought up. The institutions from that past have made us biased, it is up to our own choice (based on lived life experiences) to decide what we believe is right. This is why the question to have sex before marriage bothered me. Yes, it should be okay. It is not okay to let people go along with their own devices and be ignorant going into a fully committed relationship (the social expection marriage brings) Along with that, people change. We can just tell from this video, the guy with the blue hat changed, so did the girl with tattoos, and the lesbian. We are not static in our lives, aging is a part of that, with a growing brain to a deteriorating body, we all change.
The major issue I see people make when referring to the Bible is misinterpreting/misreading it. It is a collection of books, and as such, should be treated like multiple books. Each book has its own unique audience, circumstance, time period/culture, and intentions. It'd be like trying to read a history book like a story book. You'll read the same text, but the meaning behind the text won't hit the same. This is why such things like the book of Leviticus are debated. Leviticus was the ancient law for the Jews before Christ and the new covenant. Some things, such as women needing to cover their hair was a cultural thing as having your hair down in that specific time and culture symbolized being a prostitute. These things are often overlooked by casual readers and can lead to very extreme beliefs and "picking and choosing" what to follow
the younger lady really really needs a huge reality check. she’s the reason why ppl like me have such a bad take on religion. the ppl closest to me are christian and yet they are still reasonable & very open minded. if ur reading this, just know not all christian’s are like her. unfortunately a lot are. but alot are also very open minded & respectful. “i see you want to do the hypothetical thing” you think it’s hypothetical untill it’s not babe… i’m sorry but that younger girl really has only the audacity
In your teenage years when puberty starts to hit..you'll know who you are attracted to. Only thing is that you might not reveal it to everyone and that is ok. You can lie to others but you can't lie to yourself. And as you'll get older you'll be like " f*ck it this is who I'm attracted to, I could care less what others think of me ". Also you don't have to define it in your teenage years. What I mean by this is that you think you like this person therefore you are hardcore that sexual orientation and you will never "stray" .
@@Sun-nn It's pretty much anyone's experience who was attracted to same sex and they thought something was wrong with them because they kept looking for validation outside and not inside.
FYI, this largely applies to males, but not to everyone. Females don't have the same physiological response to stimuli that males do. Erections are a major factor in boys knowing who they're attracted to! A lot of girls have to rely on who they *think* they're attracted to and our thoughts can be easily manipulated.
@@originalslicey I'm a man and I knew without getting an erection who I was attracted to. But I was also a kid, I wasn't like yelling " this is who I like, this is who I am, treat me as an adult"
No, I get that. Most kids have crushes even before puberty. But that one guy was incredulous that the older woman could have written love letters in high school to her friend and not realized they were, in fact, love letters. My point is that this isn't that uncommon for women. Especially in light of purity culture and no sex before marriage. A lot of young women can misinterpret romantic feelings toward other women as friendship. We're force-fed the idea that we need to find a husband and have children. We're also told that men have more sexual drive than women and that it's normal for women to not really enjoy sex. If you're also maternal and have always wanted kids, this combination of messages can be confusing and prevent girls and women from really knowing their sexuality. So many women marry young, have kids, and don't realize until their 30s, 40s, 50s... that they're actually gay. I doubt men could make it to middle-aged and not know that they have some attraction to men, but it's not at all uncommon for this to happen to women. @@Waywardification
What were the historical facts? I disagreed with her claim about Paul not knowing Jesus and it taking forever for him to be “ranked top 10 “ lol that’s not historically accurate.
@@e.m.8094 I’m glad we can agree that she’s indoctrinated and was never presented with the opportunity to form her own opinions or form an identity of her own. She sure had a lot to say about how other people could dim their colors though - as plain as an unsalted cracker.
Hi friends :) I’m Malik,, the guy in the orange shirt. I do things like this video alot and I normally don’t comment. However, I feel the need to say abuse of any kind from any gender is not okay. No one has to subject themselves to that. If I, a male, am on the giving side of abuse of any kind, my partner should leave me. If it is vice versa, and I am on the receiving end of any kind of abuse, then I should leave him/her.
Period. It’s that simple. It IS black and white. Abuse of any kind = wrong and you have every right to protect yourself from it.
And adoption isn’t any less special than having your own kids. My heart is heavy for all the people who may have watched this that have longed for kids that can’t have them. Your adopted kid IS special. I will be adopting my kids as well 🫶🏾
Malik I really admire you and the way you made your points. I was going to ask Brian if you had a channel because I want to hear more of what you have to say especially because of your background in the church and theology.
Lol Malik, you swear something heinous was said about adopting. Your hearts heavy? Sure. You can’t claim that having an adopted kid is “just as special” as a couple who CREATES life through sex. You can’t make that claim because one you’ve never adopted a child and two as a homosexual you will never be able to create life so how can you know what creating life feels like if you’ve never experienced it and might never? Don’t play this virtue signaling game.
Second, it’s not surprising that you believe “you should leave” your partner due to “any abuse.” Really? So just give up when feeling abused? This is awful advice from a Christian. Someone could “feel abused” by simply cooking and cleaning and never getting a thank you from their spouse. Someone could feel abused because their spouse is insecure and wants to be attached to their spouses hip. There’s a lot of scenarios that can be made up and called “abuse” and your advice is leave if you feel any type? That’s wild. But, I understand why you say it because YOU couldn’t handle emotional abuse and YOU couldn’t handle physical abuse from a woman half your size. I’m a man, so I can find it hard to understand the physical abuse from a woman half your size and I can also find it difficult to understand why therapy to work through emotional abuse isn’t a viable option. Even people dealing with physical abuse can explore helpful options before divorce.
I agree, abuse is not ok. Physical, mental, whatever you find truly abusive is not okay. I also think ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING can be healed THROUGH JESUS. You call that “conversion therapy” to which I question your belief in the healing power of Jesus. Conversion therapy and believing in the power of Jesus is NOT the same thing. So to make that comparison it makes me wonder who you think Jesus is if you doubt His ability to heal and restore all.
Stop the virtue signaling. No one said abuse is okay. No one said adopting isn’t special. So your heart doesn’t need to be “heavy” over things that were never said. If your points were grounded in truth, you wouldn’t need to come to the comments to virtue signal.
Btw, this is probably the first time I can say I’m happy I’m a short man because if I were tall and sharing my opinion on struggling to believe a man CAN NOT do anything to stop the physical abuse of a woman, I know you’d attack that opinion based on me being a big man. That I can prevent it because I’m big. But I’m not a big man, yet I still have this opinion. You’re just triggered by it bc you’re a big man talking about how a woman half your size “abused you” and there was nothing you could do about it apparently, not even therapy. And if you did try therapy and they were still a monster, then that goes back to my original point with it sounding like they aren’t truly following Jesus since their tree bears bad fruit.
You don’t even seem to believe in the power of Jesus the way I do anyway so who cares. You call it conversion therapy.
Try and remember that you chose to share these things for the internet to see so my comment shouldn’t send you over the top. This is literally what you signed up for. To share and be commented on.
@@1ofTheChosen Bud, this is my last comment to you. I have an actual life lol.
But this comment made 0 sense at all. Like none. No one is virtue signaling when all the comments say the same thing about you. Do you really lack that much awareness?
There are many points that I could make to show that this makes 0 sense but I’m over the conversation.
It’s really very simple, you’re a narcissist that attempts to hide under a fake banner of Christianity. And you’re such a narcissist, that you think your worldview of Christianity is the way. I know you’re new here to Christianity so you have a whole lot of zeal. You think you know it all. lol. But God NEVER promised people to “heal or deliver” them from being gay in the natural worldly way that you’re trying to claim. lol.
But you’re right, if you serve a Jesus that tells you to get on the internet and advocate for men and women to stay in abusive relationships and that adoption isn’t “as special” as creating a child, we don’t serve the same Jesus. And I’m 1000% okay with that.
P.S, I’m bisexual, henceforth having a wife lol. So I CAN create kids 😂.
@@1ofTheChosenyou literally give short man energy. You don’t have to compensate for your height through dickheadary. I see you consistently commenting under all comments to justify your bigotry and in one such comment you claimed feminists will one day roll their eyes when abuse against men is a topic of discussion, however your fucked up belief that somehow being a man and having more testosterone leaves you immune to abuse literally perpetuates that notion that abuse against men shouldn’t be taken seriously. Men can and HAVE been abused, you need to stop speaking from the perspective of an able short white balding middle aged man for a second and realize that there are nuanced life experiences ALL around you. There are people who look like you with mental disabilities that are left vulnerable to emotional manipulation from their wives. This will and HAS happened in the past. That is just one example of the different VARIATIONS of men who cannot essentially “stand up” to their smaller wife. Your argument about having bigger muscles and testosterone is also shit because it would imply that if two men were to fight, the bigger and more physically fit would automatically win due to their build over the smaller dude when in fact we know that smaller men have beat bigger men many times in the past. People like you only learn reason from experience so you literally just need a woman to beat the fuck out of you to realize that women are also humans capable of abuse, torture and murder. I don’t know if you believe female prisons are just institutions for female vanity and makeup tutorials???? First things first, I come from a tall family and I am 6,5 and my LITTLE sister is 5,11 and older sister 6,1. We have definitely fought over the years as many siblings have and that girl (older) has beat my ass up many times. Are you to imply that if she were to be married and abusive she couldn’t do the same to her husband?? Noooo instead I know your response to this would be some shitty sentiment that since she is tall she would only marry a taller man so she would still be weaker, because u said ur self “is this woman really that big to be beating you up as a man, could never be me personally” so I’m taking that as you would never be with a taller woman. That is all bs cuz whatever happened to love? If my sister fell in love with a shorter man then ur argument would be complete shit. Like ur a grown man who heard a man was abused in his marriage but instead of feeling sympathy you put the words abuse in quotation marks. I hate the way you interpret the bible and faith as this concept of laws and regulations that control our daily lives, as opposed to a community of faith and love being encompassed through the very mouths and actions of its believers. But you just SAY it’s that way but you do not prove it with the way you are so quick to criminalize gays though there have been various interpretations over the years pertaining to homosexuality. “Man must not lay with BOY” is one interpretation I have heard that actually refers to pedophilia. And you claimed yourself “they were doing a lot of things” in sodom and Gomorrah to be labeled as sexually deviant but you choose to latch on to your homophobic beliefs. Sure let’s further interpret the fact that the bible says owning slaves is ok, premarital sex is an abomination, eating crawfish is punishable by stoning to death, tattoos are a sin as you are defiling your temple.. just some examples that heterosexual Christians live to Re interpret out of their desire and CHOICE to do those things. But you draw the line at gay people who HAVE NO CHOICE and preach that they should deny themselves happiness for the rest of their lives and die alone due to their “undesired desires” it’s soooo easy for privileged people like you to put gay people in those boxes. “Yea just don’t act on it”…. For life tho?? From the Same man that says even kissing is inherently lustful and you always derive sexual pleasure from kissing so you just want gays to be denied a whole life experience. Marriage is NOT reserved to just Christian’s I was so upset to hear you say that and no one say anything back, there is a reason not all marriages take place in the church, you have to know that countless cultures and beliefs around marriage exists. It’s not just wear one scary white gown, wear one treacherous black suit then say through sickness and health but actually be coming from a place of abuse and neglect instead?? And then when such a union happens and that sacred bond is broken.. they must remain married?? Like??? Re iterating your points is making me physically scratch my head wondering how at your big age you think the way you do. “ I don’t wanna be mean but call it something else” are you insane? The only sensible STRAIGHT person there was the blonde dude cuz y’all seem to think Christianity is a VIP club. When you yourselves can’t even get in 😂 all sins are equal in the holy book with an exception for blasphemy so miss tattoo and mr negative thoughts,(and probably premarital sex, probably a seafood eater) HELL for you🔥 and no we will not be discussing it and no you will not be saved because you continue to commit these acts knowing it goes against Gods will. Do I sound unreasonable?? I’m speaking like you?? A theological warden 💀
I loved watching you in this video!
Judith is probably the first eldery lesbian I've seen online and it makes me want to cry.
you know why? because they dont have a long life expentency being a woman+ a lesbian while being a christian. Su*cide rates ...
Cry?
@@silentghost751Its rare, but for lgbt people it means a lot to have positive role models
@@B_addiehow so? What do you mean by positive?
@@silentghost751Like when you see someone with a full lived experience of a trait you share. Or like how you look up to your parents/elders. It can be rare to see elderly lgbtq people especially gay men. So it can be a really lovely thing :)
the young woman not taking acountability for her own sins even after saying the worse kind is to sin on your body, which she did, but going after them for being gay tells me everything i need to know.
Apparently many have never read the parable of the pharisee and the tax collector in Luke.
She has so much judgement in her expressions. Like around the 25:30 mark when the one guy was saying his friend told him that God loves him because he's gay, not despite it. I truly can't wrap my head around why she feels the need to look at the others like she's so above them. In her mind everything seems to be black a white and she thinks there's no way she'd be put in a situation where she'd sin in certain ways. Like girl, people can become abusive after you get married. Child abuse can occur during marriage. Rape can occur during marriage. This is why it's so hard for people to feel welcomed as new Christians...if I were in an abusive marriage, I would not know how to follow a God who would want me to stay in that marriage.
I feel that she hasn't experienced enough hardships because she has no empathy for this sort of stuff.
Her whole demeanour was so unlikeable...
She literally said she done it before she came to Christ and before she knew that it wasn’t right? Having a tattoo from your past isn’t the same as actively committing sin.
PERIODT.
That young lady is what is wrong with Christianity today, and the reason I left the religion.
Unfortunately she fails to see she'd be property today going by biblical standards. It's sad, really sad.
Facts.
Shes straight up nuts.
She wearing a crop top and makeup… she don’t believe everything in the Bible..
I’m case you didn’t know Christianity is not a religion, it’s a relationship. Even still… you left Christianity because of the flaws you see in a human and so you blame God because of it? You say God is either unjust or is not real because you disagree with a person as if you don’t have your own struggles and flaws? How is this Gods fault? Make it make sense. If you were truly ever a Christian than instead of leaving the faith and quitting, you would actually seek God first despite what the world says and what others say. In any case, that young lady did not say one thing that contradicted the Bible whereas every other person there said multiple things that go against scripture so if you wanna blame her and say that all the problems with Christianity are because of people like her, then to that I must suggest that maybe you’re the problem. Clearly you didn’t know much about Christianity to begin with so any opinions you have about Christianity are at the end of the day your views and what you think about things instead of what God thinks about things and what the Bible says. Don’t blame God for the mistakes of man because that is exactly what Jesus died to save us from.
Brown hair girl and blue hat guy are exactly the reason why so many people are leaving the church
100%
Absolutely! They are so far away from what being a Christian means, they shouldn't call themselves Christians. Their views are selfish delusional and dangerous!
Exactly
Yes society owes them lol!!
What did they say that was so hurtful? Truly asking :) it all sounded logical with zero malice
"you can take steps to not get beat.." GIRL what 🤣
For real. And the commitment to marriage for eternity was so BS. Like a person who abuses their partner isnt committing an abomination to that union? 🤦🏻♀️All she ever had to speak was pure indoctrination from a lifetime of brainwashing, like a parrot repeating phrases they hear others say🤦🏻♀️🙄
I’m honestly speechless 😂
She said by being separated...as in beat again I guess, not the first time.
I feel bad for saying this because it’s judgmental, but a woman of God should not be this rude and inconsiderate to others. If a woman of God wants to change someone’s mind, she does so respectfully and with empathy, like Jesus would. But a woman of God also should know that she isn’t Jesus and doesn’t have the authority to convict others. I’m talking about the brunette girl here. She makes all Christians look unkind and abrasive.
She was acting that way but people like that are never completely honest. It's a facade
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…yeah. This video was VERY NEEDED & the hardcore/mainly conservative Christians are very cringe to me.
Personally I only consider myself spiritual due to my mother who used to be a lesbian/stripper basically disowning me for being gay.
I do not believe every word that was printed in the Bible but I do believe & appreciate the good morals/foundations for being a good human being “Christ like” aka being a Christian.
This was a tough video & at many times I wanted to click off due to the very triggering responses from TWO individuals I mostly did not agree with while picturing my mother in this same room.
I would’ve definitely left crying or almost bout to fight somebody😂
But STILL able to hug it out in the end UNLESS they have a problem with that… which would only further prove many of my “views”
Great video Brian
& thanks for those who spoke their truths.
God bless🤍
Unfortunately there is always that one that's like this I blame the parents bc they trained their kids to be like this.
i’m so glad brian has talks like this with people so we can see the truth behind peoples masks.
Omg I could say so much on this but something that really bothered me was them saying a Christian man wouldn’t beat his wife or sexually abuse his children. Like really?!? What close minded bubble are they living in because there are countless examples of this literally in the church from religious leaders themselves. They’ve even murdered!!!
You didn’t understand the point. To be a Christian, that simply means following Jesus. That’s it. No religion, just Jesus. Jesus would never abuse anyone, therefore if you’re abusing someone, are you truly a Christian? The answer is no.
@@1ofTheChosen I fully understood the point. That’s my point how is she gonna know if she’s marrying a “real” Christian or not. Do most people go into abusive relationships on purpose??? Do people go to churches with abusive priests and pastors on purpose????
@@kaylanicole5126 personally, I like to discuss my relationship with Jesus as well as understand the other’s relationship. That way, I can judge them off the fruit their tree bears. And if they don’t demonstrate actions that align with their words while I’m getting to know them, then that would be a red flag for me. It’s so easy to say words, which is why someone could be mislead by someone else saying all of the right words. But words without action are meaningless. So if someone ended up in an abusive relationship with a “Christian”, I would wonder if they were ever truly a Christian to begin with or if they were just wearing Christianity like a hat. There’s A LOT of people who identify as Christian yet they’ll regularly talk about people behind their back. There’s a lot of people who identify as Christian yet they’ll judge others and deny them heaven as if they are the gatekeepers when truly the only way is Jesus. If you ever encounter someone who claims to be a Christian yet they don’t resemble Jesus even the slightest, I promise you they are not Christian. The easiest way to know who is really trying to follow Jesus and who just claims it with their words, is to read the New Testament yourself. That way you can know the truth yourself and you can judge righteously whenever you come across a “Christian” that doesn’t resemble the teachings of Jesus.
As far as church molestation goes and so on and “choosing” that church, abuse happens everywhere. It’s not just a Catholic Church thing. And again I would ask “are they Christian?” The answer would clearly be no.
@@1ofTheChosen that's a total cop out. They're Christian until they do something that makes us look bad and then you say oh they weren't truly Christian then, that wasn't us. We would NEVER do anything like that
@@rusky5101 who’s WE? What’re you talking about? That’s not a cop out. It’s the truth. Stop being so butt hurt and arguing what you don’t believe. Are you a Jesus follower? Do you identify as one? Probably not bc if you did, what I said wouldn’t be considered a cop out. You judge a tree off the fruit it bears. That means if someone says they follow Jesus yet behave in ways Jesus didn’t, then they are not truly following Jesus. Hope this makes sense to you ❤️ if not, let me know. I got you.
Oh my, some of these people have never lived through domestic violence and child abuse, or have had to cope with severe family mental illness and it SHOWS.
Or maybe they have and have overcame it and it isn’t anything that defines them, ever think about that? ;)
The crap my mom put me and my dad through man. I’m forever grateful they divorced and found different people. It allowed me to finally be safe and happy. I’m now on my way to becoming a medical doctor
The problem is that some part of them thinks that their Faith is the reason they have been sheltered that way and they are therefore living and believing perfectly correctly. The flip side being that the traumatized and abused weren't. But they won't say that part out loud, usually.
@1ofTheChosen if they really did I doubt they would be so unsympathetic
Orange shirt showed amazing self control and respect, having been abused by his ex wife, despite blue hat repeatedly making light of men who “let” a girl beat them up. Stunned that he couldn’t show more empathy after orange shirt admits that the abuse happened to him.. like dude really what are you even trying to say.
Dude said his wife was up to his belly button. That 6 foot man couldn’t do anything about that small woman abusing him? Interesting. He also never said it was physical. And if it was, again I ask, nothing he could do?
@@1ofTheChosen I don’t know his situation either, but I do know that if someone says they endured abuse of any kind my first response as a Christian is to believe them and show support/love. I’ve known more than a few men who’ve endured it from women. A colleague of mine was emotionally and physically abused by a few women in his life, he was a really kind soft spoken guy, and from what I could see he couldn’t bring himself to harm or get physical with someone he loved. He tried to brush it off but I witnessed some of it and it was heartbreaking to see. Everyone’s situation is different.
@@Forge17 oh I believe Malik. I just don’t believe there’s nothing that could have been done to improve the situation. Was he getting beat up? I doubt it. He’s a big guy. Emotionally abusive? That sounds more likely and then if that’s the case, therapy is an option before giving up.
@@1ofTheChosen 1) you have a real problem and you should go seek help. You lack compassion and your viewpoints are of a detriment to society. Not to mention, you’re sexist.
Normalizing abuse of any kind is toxic, anti biblical, and in reality, just stupid. It doesn’t no matter WHAT form of abuse is happening and who is carrying it out. People do not have to subject themselves to abuse of any kind no matter that their gender is. So me touching my ex wife in a physically!abusive way, emotionally abusive language, or mentally abusive would be wrong. Period. Just like it is if it’s done to me on her end. But because I have a dick and and I’m 6 foot I’m supposed to do something about it and work through?? Your wack viewpoint is why people die in abusive relationships
And pretending like we didn’t have a more detailed conversation about this on and off camera to attempt to not come off as a homophobic, sexist, bigot is CRAZY.
Cut that shit out in this comment section . And if you believe Jesus is the way like you claim, you’d simply apologize for you wack views on adoption and abuse that you displayed here
It’s okay to misstep. It’s NOT okay to double down on said toxicity.
@@1ofTheChosenANDDDD I DONT need you to believe me. Nor do you need to have all the facts. We are not friends lol.. BUT what I do need you to do is find a way to back up your disgusting viewpoints without mentioning me and my size in every comment on this thread.
Find another way to back up having a stupid opinion, but stop using me, my height, and gender as a point in that opinion. You can start there.
As an adopted adult….what the fuck blue hat.
😂😂😂😂 hey I’m sorry. I didn’t mean anything by that. You missed the point I made. All I was saying that the desire to have a family is within us all. Adopting a child is you acting on a desire to start a family. Most people have heterosexual sex and create a baby, would you agree? It’s not 50/50 adoption vs making a baby. The point was that we all have that desire. Everyone in that room had the desire to have a kid someday. All of us. That was the point I was making :) I’m blue hat guy and I support adoption! In fact, the Bible mentions caring for widowed women and their children. :)
@CoolMustacheDude Quick question, you mentioned your theory that homosexuality might be a sin due to not being able to have children- many straight men and women are unable to have children too! Is adopting less than having biological children? Why would being gay be against the bible otherwise? And if God made people in his image, why did he create gay people?
He responded in the comments under some comments
@@1ofTheChosenWhat's the basis for “the desire to have children is all within us”? Cause I've met tons of people who can, but they don't have or desire to have kids.
@@OlaWHalim exactly, ever since I was young I knew I would not want to deal with the financial issues, family issues, yata yata w having children, I just don’t want em 🤷 and that’s literally fine
Brown hair girl needs a reality check. No one goes into a relationship thinking “I think this person is a pedophile.” The fact she said there’s no chance she would get with someone like that is ignorant. Same goes for abuse. You can’t see the future and you can’t read someone’s mind. No one intends to get with someone abusive, it just unfortunately happens to some people
She thinks people walk around with a big sign on their head saying ‘narcissist’ 😂
@@Bella-wp7wzHave you seen narcissists? They kinda do with the plastic bodies and tiktok/general social media handles.
I’m glad a majority of the comments can agree on how we feel about brown jacket girl
@@Jazzmaniand3vi I see nothing wrong with her takes. Except one
When she said that it brought chills down my arms. If her belief is so strong in God and Jesus she should be well aware those are fighting words in the spiritual realm. Never say never..
i’m not mature enough to have these kinda conversations. i’d be physically on top of the young ladies head 😂😂😂
Oh my god, thank you!
EXACTLY
At least you're mature enuff to admit to that, so that's a start.
Blue hat’s take on abuse is insane. No words for brown jacket. 😂
Brown jacket aka President of Jesus Christ fan club
@@1ofTheChosen He literally said men can't be abused by women
@@1ofTheChosen He can have the opinion, his opinions can be wrong and insane though.
@@ponquin yall either gay men or soft men. I’m a man and this is my opinion about men being victims of abuse done by women. I can guarantee you there is NO WOMAN that will EVER abuse me physically. If she abused me emotionally, I can try therapy or counseling or anything to resolve the issue. If the woman remains verbally abusive, then she clearly never loved me to begin with. As a straight, masculine male, this is my opinion. I understand if you’re not a straight or masculine male that you could disagree with this. It’s like you men forget we’ve got testosterone and strength over women. To say you divorced your wife bc she was verbally abusive or even physically abusive is weak af for the reasons I’ve stated. The man doesn’t have the strength to figure it out? Weak. Not surprising though considering we live during this strange time of effeminate and weak men.
@@AlextheHomo you gay? If not, you that weak that you believe a woman can abuse you?
I find it interesting that the woman in the brown jacket is saying you have to follow every single part of the bible and then saying homosexuality as a sin should not be committed. Yet she has pierced ears, makeup, pants, and is ignoring that the bible says no sin is greater than any other sin.
Apparently she also forgot by biblical standards, she'd be nothing more than property.
"the bible says no sin is greater than any other sin"
Where does it say so?
We’re also told to repent. By definition that means to stop doing the sins that we know to be a sin. If it was 100% obviously not a sin to be gay, then we wouldn’t have people go from homosexual to heterosexual or people detransition who say it was all done through Jesus. You mean to tell me all of those claims are lies? That they were forced to change? If that’s your angle, then one could argue the same for why someone indulges their homosexual desires. Did society entice them?
I’m sure there’s a lot of homosexuals who feel that being gay isn’t right yet they continue. Also, maybe I’m wrong. I’m not gay so I don’t know. My point is that if it’s revealed to the person that their homosexuality is a sin, they are then called to repent. If they don’t, just like with any sin, we are then willfully living in our sin and then one could question whether or not someone is truly following Jesus by simply judging the fruit of their tree. This is 100% a logical thought process.
@@1ofTheChosen Sexuality isn't something you can just change. There have been many cases where people go to conversion therapy and get "fixed" just to come out decades later and admit that they, in fact, have not changed. They were not forced to change, they were forced to hide. The argument that sexuality is a choice is extremely outdated.
I feel that something a lot of people fail to remember is that not everyone believes in God. Saying "homosexuality is a sin" or "you're going to hell" means absolutely nothing if the person you're saying it to does not believe in such things. They're wasting their breath spewing hatred for no valid reason.
And another thing is that some straight people will say "being gay is a choice" which is absurd because how could you possibly know that if you yourself are not gay?
@@1ofTheChosen It's interesting how you may read the Bible, but you can't seem to understand the context in which it was written. I'm not about to sit here an deny that there weren't same sex relations in ancient times and yet because they were written of you assume that they understood the difference between an act versus that of a sexual orientation (they didn't) . Sodom was about inhospitality unto another and more specifically rape just like the companion story in Judges. In Leviticus, man shall not lie with a man as they do with woman, but no one seems to understand English or human biology, because it's physically impossible. It's amazing how Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:19 applies to me and my community, but the rest of it doesn't apply to you, cherry picker. The Hebrew doesn't say this. Romans 1 was speaking of idolatrous acts. In Corinthians, Paul was speaking of male prostitution as in Timothy. Some of us who study the Bible professionally would know this. There are plenty of biblical scholars on TH-cam who can help you. I think it's interesting how you'd call yourself a follower of Christ, but would much rather follow one of the 4 authors of the Torah and Paul. Paul died for no one's sins, let alone the being son of God.
In Matthew 7, it's asks why do you look for the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and not see the plank in your own? And it continues judge and you will be judged and by the same measure. In Matthew 23, it states closing the doors to heaven unto others, you only close the doors unto yourself. In Luke, the Pharisee says, I'm a sinner, but I'm not x, y, or z and the tax collector just asks for forgiveness because he's a sinner. For it's better to be the tax collector. In 2 Romans 1, it says condemn and you'll be condemned. In James 2:10, when you've broken one, you've broken them all. For you see, no one sin is greater or lesser than another.
Repeating lies that someone else told you and how you should perceive them to be, doesn't make them right anymore than yourself. To you there are 6, to me there are none when pertaining to homosexuality as an orientation. Homosexuality wasn't a word until the mid 19th century. Until we have the originals (because we don't) , I'll live my life. The only difference is I'm not telling others what to do, when to or how to, because I'm not their master or lord or their God, but I will most certainly love my neighbor (Leviticus 19) as difficult sometimes that may be and my God.
PS The act of repentance isn't supposed to make our fellow man happier, just God.
Judith, if you ever see this you are amazing!!!, i lovee how you where so calm and responed each time with an educated response, clearly aware of this shitty world we've created and aware of your self, you've done that inner work and i applaud you for that,keep been this cool and awesome !!! wish you where my grandma hehe 😅💚
Yes I love her! Reminds me of my Nana
The blode guy is chill af🤣
Yes, the "idk, I'm not Jesus, just love each other, bruh" was great.
Fr dude was just chilling like everybody was arguing
As someone who leans more conservative, he was the only conservative on here that wasn't being insufferable
The girl in the brown jacket is ignorant and the dude saying men can’t get abused was CRAZY. Who do y’all bring up onto this show 💀
It was pretty clear he meant physically abused which men can be physically abused but then it’s also like damn how big and strong is this woman that you’re a man getting beat up and can’t do anything about it?
@@1ofTheChosen why does it matter if a woman is “big and strong?” Oh? That doesn’t fucking matter. Like why focus on that SOO much? It’s fucking weird. NO ONE should be hitting ANYONE regardless if they’re “big and strong” or not. And when you’re saying “…can’t do anything about it” are you insinuating the man should hit her back? That’s very Christian of you!!
@@1ofTheChosenMany men, despite being physically stronger are not psychologically stronger. Abusive women have a tendency to drain people mentally first, so if it turns to physical violence the person is too mentally destroyed to fight back.
Other men just take it because they have it ingrained that they can never fight back against a woman. Sometimes, when men call the cops on abusive women, they are the ones who get arrested whether they fight back or not.
It's not really as simple as being physically stronger or not.
I think that they were an accurate representation of most christian people.
@@1ofTheChosen Well it could be that the man is REALLY against or even afraid of hurting other people (both fysically and mentally) so they kinda just can't do anything because if they fysically try to stop the abuse, it can be seen as hurting the other person fysically, and if they try to leave or talk with their partner to stop, it could hurt them mentally.. It could also be that they're being manipulated into staying in the relationship, that it's okay for the wife to beat the man, that if the man does anything they'll go to hell (assuming they're christian since that was what they talked about in the video). And it could be that the man thinks very poorly of himself, that he deservs the abuse, that he's useless, that his only porpose is to get married, and that the only reason why he's still alive is to make his wife happy.
I was on the blue hat side for a little bit until he started talking about abuse. That’s when he lost me. “Is the man really getting beat up”? The man doesn’t have to be physically beat up by his girlfriend, or wife for him to be abused. And him making that statement is the reason why a lot men don’t report when they are being physically abused by their wife or girlfriend.
And this is why I stay away from religion. Because in my opinion people that walk the religious road so blindly are some of the most judgmental and hateful people you will ever encounter.
This. 💯
There are three types of abuse, physical, psychological and spiritual. I wouldn't expect him to understand human psychology since he can barely understand the Bible. Christian, I think not. Pharisee is more like it.
What got me is that can't seem to understand that not all men can impregnate a woman because of low sperm counts for one reason or another. What he was doing was inadvertently shaming others.
Well, first off, I’m a man so my opinion on men being “beat up” by women is rooted in the fact that I’m a man and I can assure there is no woman I would find myself in a relationship with capable of beating me up. One, because I’m a man with testosterone so naturally I’m stronger and two, I have larger muscles than a woman. Those are fair reasons as to why I question how it’s possible for a man his size to get physically abused by a woman he said was basically up to his belly button. If it’s emotional abuse, I then would suggest therapy before giving up. There’s a lot of options especially when it comes to mental abuse. Physical abuse is tougher bc no one should be getting hit by anyone, but as a man I can assure you I can prevent a woman from “beating me up” and I can make this claim with certainty because I’m a man. Are you a man? If not, then you truly don’t know and if you are a man then I’d wonder how many women you’ve encountered in your life who beat you up and there was nothing you could do about it. Are these 6 foot tall, 250 pound women beating you up? Even then I would assume you could run away from those large women lol. Don’t be mad at me for being a man and having questions and even doubt about a man getting beat up by a woman half their size. I’m blue hat guy btw 😘😏❤️
You just making that comment about emotional abuse shows how ill informed you are and okay to speak on things you know not about. Ignorance is bad enough but having confidence and ignorance is dangerous. I myself have not been through anything I would consider abuse, in a relationship, however I am a mental health professional and I have heard many people tell me that emotional abuse is worse than physical. Is this a subjective opinion? Maybe. But this is just a small example of why your version of Christianity is the bane of Christianity’s existence.
@@TheIluAmin when I said “physical abuse is tougher” in my previous comment, I meant it in the sense of “more difficult”. I should have said that instead. And what I mean by physical abuse is more difficult is that there aren’t as many options to help through it. Physical abuse being a tougher situation to make a good case for, although one can be made, is what I was saying. If it’s a man being physically abused, one it’s hard for me to believe and two, therapy is a good option. Because I truly believe it’s unlikely the man is just being manhandled by this woman who’s beating him up. This is a hypothetical, not aimed at anyone. And I feel this way bc I’m a man.
Emotional abuse can be treated with therapy and hopefully together as a couple so the one causing the harm can hopefully hear it and process it to make the changes necessary. As a therapist, I’m sure you believe we’re all capable of change, yes? And wouldn’t you also agree that experience is the best teacher? So if you’ve never been in an abusive relationship then how can you condemn my opinion on your assumption that I’ve never been in an abusive relationship? That’s not fair, right?
“My Christianity” isn’t harming anyone at all. In fact, I’m certain my words aren’t harming anyone because nothing I’ve said isn’t coming from emotion with the intent to hurt people but it’s coming from what I believe to be logical truths which is why I can explain myself. If I’m wrong, then I can be corrected by anyone sharing greater logic to disprove me. Not with emotion, but logic. I truly believe I’m at least accurately sharing who Jesus is with my words even if my physical actions don’t always match Jesus.
This is so unbelievably frustrating and yet I can’t stop watching 😅🤦🏼♀️
IKR
Honestly, I don't think I could be part of a religion that believes homosexuality is wrong.
Thx for having a shred of sense
Yeah how could you be apart of a religion that hates your very existence? Shit makes zero sense to me. Dont even get me started on gay conservatives 😭
@@333wiz8 Here is your evidence. 1 Corinthians 6: 9 - 10 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
@@Odin230 that means nothing to people who aren’t religious. You have to speak on a level that everyone understands.
find a reconciling church that teaches love to all LGBT persons
I like blue shirt guy. “You guys are acting like heaven is this exclusive place”. Thank you man. Seriously.
Do you think everyone go to heaven?
I mean I'm pretty sure it's only hardcore LDS and Baptists that say all sin is the same and therefore it's automatic and not exclusive and yet also say Bible first
..it's idiots the whole way up and down tbf.
Mormons believe it to be so which is why that one girl & black guy let it slip with "going on missions"
If it exists most people do, yeah.@@majaekros5086
It is tho
This is wild. I really appreciated the older woman's wisdom in looking more broadly at history and context. It's so strange to me that you would spend so much time thinking about this story from 2000 years ago from the other side of the world from this conversation, and think that the current understanding in your neck of the woods is the right/only one. Everyone thinks theirs is the right one!!! Shouldn't that be a clue?
Just think about how language and translations work for one moment. How could you possibly have the same understanding, or be following the same god?
I agree that some people live in delusion. This whole " all will be forgiven no matter how sinful life you've lead" is just unrealistic. Yeshua is my savior but if you gonna tell me that p*dophiles,r*pists and the likes are gonna go to Heaven...then I have no desire to go to Heaven. No idea where I'll land after but I certainly would refuse to go to Heaven.
You can see how f*cked up world is now. What will be different after if "all is forgiven " ? Nothing. Same old sh*t.
We have dead sea scrolls and parts of the Bible written in original Greek and Hebrew, and people know and can even speak these languages even tho it's a dead language, so they arnt different, the old woman was wrong the bible is translated correctly, you could tell if you were to learn Greek/Hebrew, or if you read the Bible yourself
@@micahbraun8160 2 people can read the same thing and still get different context out of it.
I really wanted to hear more from her! Loved her take, thought it was refreshing.
The girl in the brown jacket is making my blood literally BOIL
You gonna be just fine
lol that’s why they invited ppl that actually know how to process their emotions into words nd not u 😂😂
@@Choose2Connect ok and where did I say I wouldn’t be?
@@nari-uf9cc oh no I’m perfectly fine at processing my emotions thanks 🙏 I appreciate the concern tho
@@kirsten7199 not concerned but ur welcome 🥰
blue hat guy looking Brian in the eyes and saying that if he were to adopt his children they aren't as worthy as if he had birthed them is crazy
But us gays are the idiots.. 🙄
That's not what he said
You didn't look under some comments, it's terrible....
Who literally makes young girl and blue hat the gatekeepers of Heaven???
😂okay!?? Cuz I am going down the list of these comments gives all my 2 cents!!
They've never read Matthew 23, because they would know when closing the doors of heaven unto others, they only close the doors unto themselves.
@@m.gattus-reinhart845proof I read Matthew was that I said all I know is Jesus is the way and that’s all I know. I’m well aware I shouldn’t push people back even a hair away from Jesus. But nothing I said was a lie. Nothing I said pushed them away. That’s specifically why I said “all I know for sure is Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.”
@@1ofTheChosen if ur the blue hat guy then I LOVE YOU you're so right and know the bible
@@hannarivers5872 you’re a rare gem here in these comments! Thank you I appreciate you !
It's weird that I agree with the oldest person in the room the most (not a common occurrence), while also probably being younger than everyone there. I grew up around a lot of different types of Christianity. I attended a Quaker school in Ireland growing up. My grandad was a religious minister in South Africa and my mom's side of the family is Greek Orthodox. Everyone on my dad's side thinks I'm going to hell and I don't have contact with them. I think after watching this it became apparent that the younger Christians either haven't lived long enough or were never taught about the atrocities of Christianity. Some people said that a lot of these hypotheticals weren't happening. For example, to those who think that way, please go and learn about Christianity in Ireland, the atrocities the church committed and what happened to all those poor girls and babies. There is no God in many religious places. The Church often interprets the bible and turns faith into something hateful. I believe God is in love and can be found everywhere. I also believe that both my fiancé (a man) and I are going to Heaven.
I pray that you open scripture and read and search for God, God bless.
Preach 👏
Totally agree with you! I wish the best for you two! 🩷💜💙
The American form of Christianity is SO extreme compared to other parts of the world and cultutes. Its wild, tbh.
That’s the complete opposite of the truth. American Christianity is watered down
Christianity itself is extreme. There’s no normal Christianity!
American Christianity is no where near how it should actually be 😅 is way lighter and more permissive
Have you been to countries that Christians have colonized? They’re way extreme
Nah, the Christians here basically do whatever they want. There are VERY religious sects though like Evangelicals but as others have said, there are more extreme ones in other colonized countries.
hard hard watch as a lesbian who was a repressed gay christian for years. brought back all the arguments that people used to make me believe I was a sin, that woman and blue hat guy are truly causing so much harm even though I very much know how people become that. still an important conversation but damn.
If being honest “causes so much harm” then you sound like you’ve got some strong biases to work through. You can’t be upset with people who logically explain why they feel the way they do. The hypotheticals only came from the homosexual side because hypotheticals are needed when your opinion is difficult to defend with logic and truth.
@@1ofTheChosenYour truth isn't everyone's truth.
@@sakuraitonen5886 when speaking amongst “Christians”, we should be in agreement on what’s true and what’s not since Christian’s claim to follow Jesus and in doing so we follow His Word. So this isn’t “my truth” but rather the truth I’ve gained from reading the New Testament. This video claims everyone is a Jesus follower but clearly everyone in the video is not since mostly everyone in the video is in disagreement except for TWO of the Jesus followers in the video.
Also, a surrogate birth for a homosexual couple still isn’t considered natural or even “biologically theirs” since a homosexual couple only has HALF of the resources required to create life. Two men would still need the egg of a woman and two women will still need the seed from a man. If in the future you’re able to have an artificial seed or an artificial egg as a filler, then that still isn’t natural or even biologically natural so your claim about surrogacy for homosexual couples being equal or “just as special” is false. You can’t claim something to be equal to an experience you have never and might never experience. That’s like me saying I know how it feels to be a woman simply because I’ve put on a dress and grown my hair out. No. There’s far more that goes into it.
@@1ofTheChosenYour logic and truth comes from a book written by people and the only evidence you have to support this book is the book itself. Make it make sense. This is like me typing I am god. Then typing. The previous sentence stating I am god is what you need to believe to go to this paradise after death.
@@hecatesowl8688 my logic and truth was there before I read the Bible; the New Testament only confirmed it.
A book written by men? Uhh that’s ALL books lol. Anyway, what evidence outside of the Bible is needed for my points to be true? There’s atheists who would also agree with my points. 99% of the “truth” that I believe in, I can guarantee you do as well. The 1% difference might be on homosexuality and following Jesus, but the rest I know we agree on. So what’s your point?
Is your argument that Jesus is made up? Is that why you mentioned the Bible was written by men? Just curious bc of your “if I wrote this sentence and claimed to be god…” argument. I can clear up any confusion for you so just lmk.
I found my self agreeing with the beliefs of Judith, Malik, and Brian completely. They supported their thoughts with the gospel and had factual interpretations, likely from the experience growing up within Christianity and being LGBTQ+ simultaneously leads to doubt over what you're told to believe with blind faith and needing to do your own Bible study.
Blue hat man and brown jacket woman are giving me closeted and sociopath vibes respectively.
The fast talking, blind worship, shooting down of anything LGBT, ridiculous views on tattoos . . . wow. And pleeeeeease drop the “sentencing” argument. Y’all need science, meditation, and love. ❤
I was just going to ask who is going to be the one to tell blue hat that he's gay, haha.
His dropping "logical" when requested he rely upon the bible and not his opinion. girl, really?
@@jesseshepherd5522a kiss on the lips being rooted in lust is pretty logical thinking 😂 has zero to do with the bible
@@peterhoyt2529lol dude you wish 😍
@@1ofTheChosen 😘
i’m so glad i’m an atheist cus this is way too stressful
True, so many rules to follow 😂
can you imagine that when you die you find out that there really is a god, which is Cthulhu 🐙 ...and we all go to hell because we didn't understand that we should give him a sacrifice every 100 years lol
Imagine growing up around people like this 🙁
LOL!!!!! 😂
@@Sonna-pq2zx fr
I came to criticize the brown jacket lady... but well, you guys already did it for me. Thanks! lol
Interesting, since she was the one that best understood authentic Christianity.
@@e.m.8094 "authentic" LOL
@@AdamPFarnsworth Yep, AKA biblical.
@@e.m.8094 The bible is a work of fiction. Might as well call Tolkien god and follow Lord of the Rings.
@@jijitters Thanks for adding your two cents, but Lord of the Rings isn't historically and archaeologically accurate like the Bible is. Also, it doesn't have the power to transport someone out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light and bring eternal life.
From the very first clip of the video before the old lady started talking to the very last clip, through when the old lady spoke, I knew I was gonna love her. She is amazing.
the older woman is very wise and communicates well
she isn’t really very wise when it comes to her interpreting the bible and leaning on her own understanding and spouting it as fact
The nerve of the guy with the baseball cap to ask a white-haired lady "what cultural pressure did you feel to have kids?" Back in her day, it was not a choice, there could not have been more cultural pressure to have kids back then. People act like women's freedoms today are something that should be taken for granted, but they haven't been around very long
Blue hat opposes to the older woman saying she doesn’t have the authority to disagree with Paul, but he thinks he has the authority to decipher who is a good Christian??? That’s hypocritical to think he’s above anyone else.
Hypocrisy seems to define Christianity and Christians. They'd much rather be the Church of the Pharisee versus the Church of Jesus. Matthew 7 doesn't seem to sink in.
No I found it interesting that she disagrees with Paul bc nothing Paul wrote pushes anyone away. She picks and chooses what she wants to believe is what it seems. All I know is Jesus is the way. Everyone should look into Jesus themselves despite what they’ve heard from anyone. Let you decide for yourself :)
Nothing Paul wrote pushes anyone away? People have used Paul's writing for centuries to deny women an equal place in the church. We know that Jesus loved and respected women. We also know Jesus never said anything (as recorded in the Bible) about gay people, but words attributed to Paul have historically hurt women and LGBTQ folks. @@1ofTheChosen
@@originalslicey it isn’t denying women anything. The Bible also states that the man is the head of the house. That’s why women aren’t allowed to be preachers. My assumption for this is it is to prevent disagreements and because often, women are more emotionally charged than men. There’s no room for “emotional arguments” when sharing the word of God. Only what’s written and the facts of what’s written. How are women being held back other than them not
Being allowed to be the heads of a church?
Also, I said nothing written in the Bible is bad, I didn’t specify Paul alone. Homosexuality being an abomination is from the Old Testament and Jesus said He didn’t come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. That not a single dot or iota will be changed. Homosexuality is just one example of people struggling to deny their sin. We also are told to not be drunks and I guarantee you there’s people who struggle with alcohol just as much as people struggle with homosexuality. The logic is one produces life and the other does not. A man can not create life with another man; and the same for a woman with a woman. Look at nature all around you. Every living species is designed to procreate and if they don’t, they no longer exist. In the beginning, God made man and woman. Why? To populate the earth. You wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for a man and a woman, that goes for me too and everyone alive today. We exist bc a man and a woman created us.
God designed us for a reason and a homosexual relationship goes against that design. If I’m wrong then feel free to provide a logical rebuttal. If someone feels pushed away from God due to their sin, that truly is biblical and falls on them. There’s sin I had to quit that was hard for me and everyday is a process.
First of all, women can absolutely be preachers. Sects of Christianity that don't allow this are patriarchal and sexist. MEN decided not to let women preach. God didn't decide this. Jesus didn't say this. There are many examples in the Bible of women holding leadership positions above men. Women preachers, prophets, judges, teachers, ministers, evangelizers. You don't have to look farther than Mary Magdalene to see how much Jesus valued women and their EQUAL place in the church!
There are only seven passages in the Bible which MIGHT relate to homosexuality. Scholars agree that most of these used to condemn homosexuality are wrongly interpreted. Biblical exegesis requires us to look at Biblical passages in context. In the time they were written, who was being addresses, what the original language meant, in the context of the rest of the passage and any related passages. You can't just take a line out of the Bible and assume you know what is meant by it. You mention equating it to other sins, but I don't believe it's a sin at all. Homosexuality isn't just a practise. It's an identity. We understand sexual identity today the way they didn't in ancient times. Procreation is not the only reason people marry. It's also not a reward for being married.
You say to look at nature for proof. If you actually looked to nature you would find numerous examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom. There's even intersex and transsexual examples in the animal kindgom! Natural biological variations of the more typical cisgender and heterosexual orientations - just like humans!
You say in the beginning, "God made man and woman....to populate the Earth." Did he? Are you sure? The story of Adam and Eve isn't literal, after all. It's an allegory. A Creation story that doesn't originate in Christianity. Just like nature keeps plugging along even when some animals exhibit homosexual behaviour, humanity is more than capable of populating the earth even if every single man and woman don't choose to procreate.@@1ofTheChosen
the young woman is the epitome of “rules for thee not for me”
read the bible
@@Kelf17 I have ❤️ many times
@@Kelf17I think you need to
I came here to say I am bi woman and engaged to a man and we want to adopt just because that’s what we want and no other reason . I’ve always wanted to help a child have a better life and support them in a loving home and I have had a lot of adopted friends, so I’ve always had a desire to adopt over giving birth. If I get pregnant, fine but it’s not my preference. Not just infertile people or gay people want to adopt.
I feel so bad for the Christians out there that are genuinely well-adjusted kind people, it's like these crazy fundamentalists are trying to make y'all look bad on purpose. These people must make sundays a chore. God bless everyone who has the strength to stand up to lunatics who act like abuse is somehow not the end of a marriage
Oh yes the fundamentalists are the crazy ones
I love how they brought up how the Bible's interpretation varies based upon who is reading it. Certainly highlights how we are able to justify certain deeds on the basis of current rules in society. That's how missionaries and Christians would justify slavery and abuse. I agree that Jesus is in nature and the main theme is love. I believe the ability to read is shaped by how we channel our ancestors lens' through the text as well, like when those captured learned to use the Book as a tool against their enslavers.
I was shocked that no one brought up the justification of slavery as something bad that happened in large part due to a literal interpretation of the Bible.
I needed another hour of this debate
The one who got mad at the hypothetical questions because she “would never” get into an abusive relationship made my blood boil… you literally don’t find out they will be that way until later and it’s typically super charming people. Also the two talking about lust I swear are lusting over eachother in this 😂 Side note I LOVE the older lady and glad she touched on the Bible being altered bc it def said men can’t lay with children NOT men and men .. think logically for a second which one is actually evil. but why do so many Christians forget that ALL SIN IN SUPPOSED TO BE EQUAL - they need to stop with this bs about you can’t act on being gay if you want to go to Heaven yet everyone does gluttony , speaking the Lord’s name in vain and so much more allll the time and people don’t bat an eye
Honestly I'm most worried for her because she seems like the type that if (god forbid) her husband ever did something terrible, she'd be the type to sweep it under the rug and pretend like they're still the perfect, Christian family.
@@AdamPFarnsworth yes ! Especially after bragging on here she won’t want that “image”
the girl in the brown jacket is making my blood BOILLL
Yes
Fr
Because she's most accurately representing authentic Christianity?
Right why is she’s hear
Because your convicted of sin?
Brian, I wanted to be in this video so bad! I’m a Christian and some of the words coming out of the conservative Christian’s mouths made my blood boil. This is why Christian’s have a bad rep. This is why I’m scared to go back to big churches because I grew up in a very manipulative, abusive church and it has taken YEARS to work through that trauma. Jesus hung out with prostitutes and was essentially homeless. Some of these people think they’re better than other people because they have “perfect” faith (no such thing). Faith is faith. You never get it taken away from you once you make that decision to love God. Only you can decide that.
Tbh I wanna see a part 2 of this topic
Hey :) truly asking out of curiosity. What made your blood boil with what the conservative Christian’s were saying? They seemed respectful, truly listening and giving their honest response. No one seemed to be condemning anyone or even judging anyone. In fact, they said Jesus is for everyone by saying that there’s no “works” that earn your way into heaven and that it is simply faith based through Jesus. Can you elaborate? Sometimes emotions take over despite there being logical answers given.
Jesus hung out with prostitutes? Are you saying he slept with them? Or are you just saying he was near them lol. There’s no perfect faith being preached in this video. What was being preached in this video is to stop coping.
@@1ofTheChosenyou and the brunette woman were wonderful. please keep doing what you were doing. you were both respectful and actually followed the Bible's teachings, unlike the other "Christians"
@@chishh2554 thank you :)
This is why I am not a fan of organized religion. At the end of the day my relationship with God is just that, my relationship. Point blank, not discussion needed. This is my journey not yours so how can you tell me what to believe or not to believe. Im not here to tell you what to do and vice versa. You do you, boo!
Not what the bible says boo boo
Bible says to hold each other accountable
blue hat guy talking about a wife physically abusing her husband and in the next second saying "you really don't want to work this out with her?" NO 😂
Bc I’m like damn how huge is this woman that she’s whoopin your ass? Malik said she was up to his belly button. Like come on bro. You’re 6 foot 10 and have testosterone. Like really? Why get married then if you can’t handle a wife up to your belly button getting aggressive?
I don't really like this discussion because it seems very narrowly related to a Fundamentalist Christian definition of Christianity (except maybe for the older woman). There is no consideration to the things that Biblical scholars discuss or other interpretations of Christianity. In much of mainstream culture what is often portrayed as Christian seems to be what people have picked up from heresay or how they think Christians should be rather than any real understanding or in-depth awareness of how the religion developed, theology or much of anything outside of very narrow constrains.
Not many know he real reason why it was brought to us.... Divide and conquer, that's all I have to say.
Hello can we tak about how mature Malik was. He presented right arguments, didn't seem aggressive at all when Natalie indirectly invalidated him. The way how he used rationality while staying respectful was just amazing. W Malik. To be honest did not get the vibe from Natalie at all, not because she's christian, but because she had this passive aggressive tone of voice throughout pretty much the whole vid.
Hes avout 15 comments above this 9ne acruall y and yes true points
That dude sitting there trying to say abused men should stick around….
Oh honey, NO.
Nobody, of any gender, deserves abuse.
And nobody, of any gender, should feel obligated to try to please an abuser.
I think his statement shows that he has been shielded from the ugly realities of domestic abuse . I know plenty of people who have a hard time understanding or believing ‘evil’ things happen because they haven’t seen it with their own eyes or experienced it . This type of naivety can be problematic and at the same time , I wish I could be that naive about the world
I can't believe these oh-so-perfect christians think cheating is the only thing that makes a divorce okay. I'm absolutely flabbergasted, especially the question of who's abusive to whom. Like... why does that even matter? Abuse is in my eyes even worse than cheating. So, if your spouse kills someone you have to stay married to them? If they beat you up, you have to be afraid to go to hell if you divorce them? Some people really should think about their standards. And, how naive is Natalie? Like, does she actually think people get married to someone knowing they are child abusers? These things most of the time only come out after marriage. And then laughing at the question what if her spouse turns out gay or trans. I didn't know I was omnisexual until my mid-twenties. Other people are even too afraid to admit their sexuality and go into pretend relationships. Seriously, that girl needs to grow up and get some life experience. She hasn't seen the world yet, living in a bubble of her own. I'm glad our church celebrates pride day and gives me at least a bit faith in humanity.
I’m not christian and don’t know what the Bible says but from what brown jacket says - the Bible states that divorce is only allowed when there’s adultery . If that’s what the Bible says then that’s what the Bible says .
Also - if the Bible says marriage is only valid in the church then marriage outside of the church isn’t valid .
Personally I don’t agree with that but again- if that’s the rule in the Bible , then my personal feelings doesn’t change what is written in the Bible and that’s ok cuz I’m not Christian and don’t believe in that.
God help us. God's elect are being decieved then if churches fall for this
We must protect the guy in teal at all costs
The brown hair girl and the guy in the blue hat made me upset watching this. As a survivor of abuse, it’s disgusting to hear what they have to say about it. They are lucky they never had to experience that. Someone being abused should absolutely get divorced and get the help to do so. It’s not easy to leave and their comments are terrible and show the lack of education/knowledge on the subject. Leaving is difficult and not an easy thing to do.
FR!!!
Whoo! That was a hard one to get through. I’m glad the conversation was presented but, damn, I wanted to be there in the middle of it!
The joy and happiness i got after leaving the church is so beyond anything i ever got within the church. Watching this video just makes me glad that i got out of the religion, personally.
The happiness, self love, the acceptance of learning to actually love and accept others, the spiritual serenity of knowing what my core beliefs really were and how they had nothing to do with the cult; the release of so much hate and judgement, not thinking im self righteous or belittling others to guilt them into religious misery, the ability to think for myself, have boundaries and self respect because im not filled with guilt that somebody is taking advantage of my faith, true empathy that isn't driven by a potential punishment...... Yeah, all those things came once i decided to live my best life, away from a religion. Honestly, i think god/ Jesus is pretty much the equivalent of a nebulous tyrant father that went out for milk 2,000 years ago, who promised to come back; but really, he just abandoned all his kids🙄😂
seeing judith in here, an older, catholic lesbian woman, makes me so happy as a young queer catholic. i have hope that it’ll all be okay
I really just don’t understand this. You can’t be homosexual in the Bible. That older woman was picking and choosing what to believe. She is not a true Christian/Catholic.
They don't care
@@Dan-bowling555
the homophobic verses in the Bible are😅 mistranslations
Leviticus is actually condemning pedophilia
The mental gymnastics that religious people jump through to justify their beliefs are astounding.
IKR That's what I'm saying.
It's true tho
Ikr
Not really
It happens when you justify sin
that 5’1 blue hat closeted guy is making my blood boil
Why? Because you are convicted of sin?
There’s a difference in walking in sin and falling in sin. As Christian’s we should remember this. When you’re following Christ, you have to lay down your worldly desires and pick up your cross. Jesus was so peaceful and kind. But one thing people forget is that Jesus was also honest and bold. These are qualities that Christian’s need. One of Jesus many names is The Lion of Judah.
Blue hat and brown jacket are the type of people to know they’re wrong but still not change their opinion
What's the proof that there wrong?
@@strafetap5704 What's the proof that they're right?
@@jamesbrooks8255 the Bible
@@jamesbrooks8255Well they're defending Christianity, so the Bible obviously.
@@Dani.P.F. Such a generic retort.
This is why I stopped being a catholic. The bible is written by men. I think its what you do in life that counts. If you look at the history of priests and christianity, they've done a lot of questionable things in the past and may still be doing it till now so whats stopping them from shaping the bible to fit their motives.
Because we have records that we know can’t be altered
just to let you know, catholicism is hardly christianity.
@@brynnneumann5983 i know that RC is under Christianity. They may have some slight differences from the other branches under christianity but they mostly follow that there is a god, that christ is the son of god, and that the bible is the word of god.
They have the same stance against the LGBT.
@@brynnneumann5983Christianity means follower of Christ. Catholics are follower of Christ. All their teachings is based off of Christ. They don’t use a different God
i just want to hug the old lady. she was never allowed to speak, and when she did she was constantly interrupted and yelled at, no respect. They all could have learnt a lot from her
love you Judith! you did well
At the end of the day people's opinions don't rule the world live your life the way you feel happy
I loved watching this!!! Thank you for these discussions.
Your videos are just wholesome. Its just so very nice seeing people come together to discuss something which they sure know beforehand they wont agree with each other. And this is how you get more openminded - by listening, thinking and accepting there are people who think differently and that‘s okay and no reason to start a fight over - because it‘s actually a good thing and you could see that we all have something in common even though we are on different sides of the page. That’s the pinacle of communication. It just gotten a rare thing people doing this I feel. Disagreeing each other without involving emotion and starting hatred about what is right and what not.
Seriously these videos make my day a little brighter. Thank you for doing what you do.
Hope the brown jacket girl reads these comments and makes some core personality changes, haven’t come across someone this insanely dislikable in a while. Also, the adoption comment was so out of pocket. These self righteous religious people scream about how women can’t get abortions and instead should put the kid up for adoption- yet they don’t even consider adopted children to be as “special” as non adopted kids…? 🙄
ate em up with this one
The way you said it isn't particularly possible without some form of intrusive intervention but I guess you actually mean an attitude change?
this video is waking me up to not be a lukewarm, stop warping the bible to the way YOU want to live..
MHM
My one criticism of this video is that they should have ended it with prayer. Reunite with one another and remember that we are all called to a purpose and united under our father. But each has their own assignment known only to father God. Reuniting and humbling themselves with prayer at the end would have been a great way to show that Christianity is not who we are, it’s what is practiced. Who we are is what Jesus came to do, which is to love. I love you all and love the video. ❤
Christians regardless of attraction should be able to worship together.
I love this. Fun, sweet people! Impressed with how charitable you guys were about such intense topics and widely different understandings of the subjects. Thanks for good content.
Pretty cool you thought everyone was sweet and fun bc most of these comments hate blue hat guy (me) and brown haired girl hahaha ❤️
blonde haired christian boyyyyyy you have my heart
I love the constant interruptions, very Christian based on my experience.
nah that more so people with different opinions and also very individual.
I stopped being a Christian when my step father turn abusive to us kids and our mother and all my step father had to do was ask God for forgiveness and all will be absolved. Then the next morning the abuse would continue again. Just go to church, pray for forgiveness and repeat. Was told by the Minister and doctors that I need to have holy Ghost beaten in us. We had to obey our step father absolutely and he could do no wrong and would not let my mother get a divorce to end the cycle. All because the Bible said so.. Jesus said so. Three broken bones in order to protect my sister from being raped by him. Good Christian man and obey faithful wife. This last 6 yrs and several more broken bones. But when I turned 18yrs , I left home and next week brought the cops with me. He was convicted of 1st degree felony spouse and child abuse. On the stand he insisted the god forgave him and so should man. 15 yrs in jail and no parole. That was 30 yrs ago and I am still banished from his family and the church. God may forgive but man does not
did you stop being Christian because of God mercy on your step father
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Short answer - Yes.. I still have faith but not in a Christian, Muslim or Jewish God. I am now a devote Taoist. I was taught him (ironically) that if you are truly sorry for your behavior or action then you would stop doing it. He did not. @@emekaokafor7179
A footnote: From 14yrs to 18yrs, I was placed in seminary school during my Summer months off from school. To help me "understand better" the mysteries and ways of fundamental Christian doctrine. I became the "model fundamental Christian". In the end, I could not in good faith reconcile my step father and what I was being trained in. I was forced to choose between him, my faith and Jesus. Unfortunately all was lost for inner peace and sanity. @@emekaokafor7179
I’m so sorry that happened to you.
@@emekaokafor7179 I could not support a faith/religion which would both tolerate/permit such actions on an individual or social scale with no consequences. Not long after my childhood, I turned to Taoism for my connection with the Creator. It was through Taoism I found healing and belief mankind could become better.
I'm just glad they vvere all able to express their opinions with maturity vvhile still getting along & not becoming overly agitated vvith eachother
This is wildddddd! Glad I’m agnostic!
This chick is cray cray. Did she just say you should take steps to not get beat up, go to a friends house and not divorce the abuser! WOW! tHIS IS WHY PEOPLE ARE RUNNING FROM CHURCHES!
Judith is so bright. I love her ❤️
This whole video stressed me out
I wish they had people who were knowledgeable in their faith, but I’m glad they all got to discuss and talk
This was EXHUASTING
Marriage is a commitment and should be taken seriously. But NOT because “God” validates it
I would NOT be able to stand there calmly. The girl in the brown jacket and the guy in the blue hat were making my blood boil.
Trauma based mind control is working
Why? You think someone should call themselves a Christian and not believing in another about Christianity
@user-ij5sp4zv5h I'm not Christian far from it lol I was just saying they were irritating
@@darkdaughters19 so why are you bothered by the video? thats like me being upset hindus worship idols
The ☕️ 🫖 WAS SCORCHING with episode!! Jesus… REFILL PLEASE!!!
Great debate… the topics were intense but they handled it accordingly especially the gay people.
I took with me on this debate because we are sinners, we shouldn’t stop trying to repent from our sinful ways.
Natalie is such a pain
About marriage yes you should only do it when truly in love and be committed to that relationship, but people can change all it takes is one bad event to send a person down a dark path which could make that person abusive or distant/unloving and nobody deserves to be stuck in a relationship like that.
I find it extremely odd to watch people have such a serious conversation about a work of fiction and an imaginary being.
Thank you and also why are you religious when your so called religion doesn’t like “gays” and deems that you are going to a place called Hell.🤷🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
it feels the same as when people talk about their fandom. I've had literally the same discussions about Doctor Who lmao.
Being homosexual isn't work of fiction lol
@@ersvers3177they're talkin about the religion in itself
@@arianopoien I know. I was joking 🙃
The girl in the brown jacket reaffirmed to me why I would never want to be Christian 😭🙏🏽
Because authentic Christianity requires discipleship?
i feel so tired after watching this 💀
It made me really sad.
That hole video made me exhausted
Most "hole" videos will do that.
Just don't fall in.
I'm An Atheist - and I find the very idea of a almighty creator creating us with bodily needs and punishing us for fulfilling them absurd. Sexuality and the need to connect are no more or less than the need to breathe or eat.
Sometimes, when I'm in a pessimistic mood, I come to think that the fear of sexuality is used by so many religions because no one could ever live up to the standarts, so people have a guilty conscience about it, allowing them to be more easily manipulated and controlled.
Sidenote: If one thinks kisses were not sexual, they need more practise....
I find so much similarities with the lad in orange. I became a Christian at 17, then experienced God in ways I never thought possible, saw the supernatural, would live to read the bible, study it, proclaiming Jesus and his word. I also got married. But I always had same sex attractions, I would pray away the gay, I would fast and pray, I would cry out for 'deliverance', but it never came to me (the 'gay' was never taken away). Eventually, my ex wife turned out to be a lesbian who had repressed those feelings all her life, me being unaware of this. Eventually, this broke us. All I know is what jesus answers to his disciples at the sermon on the mount. Matthew 19:23-26. When you read what Jesus says, you realise we will always fall short. Especially when it comes to adultery/coveting in the heart. You will fall short. And we can never be saved by our own graces, even if I am a straight married man believing in Christ. Ultimately, He is the one who can save and not my actions. Ans how dare I dictate who God decides to save or not, especially when they believe He is the way, the truth and life.
And guys, stop hating on the straight Christians! They have never been in our shoes so it's hard for them to comprehend fully what it's like and to empathize with us. Let's love them, as Christ loves them and loves us.
Tbh the girl blew my mind.. the guy was even worse though. Blatant sexism and trying to make things more personal to win the interpersonal conversations. On top of this, he believes that his Bible has never been changed… I think we all know the Bible was changed even by the simple translation.. and there’s a reason why there are so many different versions of the Bible. Believing that LGBTQ+ people belong in hell because of their sexuality is so archaic and repressive. It is a personable choice based on happiness that cements love as a necessity in life. It’s okay to love or not love, not once was it said that a straight person can be alone but they referred to “loneliness”. These personal connections are part of the human situation. Additionally, it is biological and a personal choice to want children. Humans are social beings. Social interactions create chemical reactions in our brains that bring us joy. Fulfillment is something that is constantly sought for, this is why there are social expectations being brought up. The institutions from that past have made us biased, it is up to our own choice (based on lived life experiences) to decide what we believe is right. This is why the question to have sex before marriage bothered me. Yes, it should be okay. It is not okay to let people go along with their own devices and be ignorant going into a fully committed relationship (the social expection marriage brings) Along with that, people change. We can just tell from this video, the guy with the blue hat changed, so did the girl with tattoos, and the lesbian. We are not static in our lives, aging is a part of that, with a growing brain to a deteriorating body, we all change.
The major issue I see people make when referring to the Bible is misinterpreting/misreading it. It is a collection of books, and as such, should be treated like multiple books. Each book has its own unique audience, circumstance, time period/culture, and intentions. It'd be like trying to read a history book like a story book. You'll read the same text, but the meaning behind the text won't hit the same. This is why such things like the book of Leviticus are debated. Leviticus was the ancient law for the Jews before Christ and the new covenant. Some things, such as women needing to cover their hair was a cultural thing as having your hair down in that specific time and culture symbolized being a prostitute. These things are often overlooked by casual readers and can lead to very extreme beliefs and "picking and choosing" what to follow
the younger lady really really needs a huge reality check. she’s the reason why ppl like me have such a bad take on religion. the ppl closest to me are christian and yet they are still reasonable & very open minded. if ur reading this, just know not all christian’s are like her. unfortunately a lot are. but alot are also very open minded & respectful.
“i see you want to do the hypothetical thing”
you think it’s hypothetical untill it’s not babe… i’m sorry but that younger girl really has only the audacity
What does an ‘open minded christian’ mean? Genuinely curious . ( I’m not christian btw)
26:12 me being adopted by my straight parents 🙂
Same. That pissed me off
In your teenage years when puberty starts to hit..you'll know who you are attracted to. Only thing is that you might not reveal it to everyone and that is ok. You can lie to others but you can't lie to yourself. And as you'll get older you'll be like " f*ck it this is who I'm attracted to, I could care less what others think of me ".
Also you don't have to define it in your teenage years. What I mean by this is that you think you like this person therefore you are hardcore that sexual orientation and you will never "stray" .
This was pretty much my entire gay experience, and i agree that we shouldnt label ourselves
@@Sun-nn It's pretty much anyone's experience who was attracted to same sex and they thought something was wrong with them because they kept looking for validation outside and not inside.
FYI, this largely applies to males, but not to everyone. Females don't have the same physiological response to stimuli that males do. Erections are a major factor in boys knowing who they're attracted to! A lot of girls have to rely on who they *think* they're attracted to and our thoughts can be easily manipulated.
@@originalslicey I'm a man and I knew without getting an erection who I was attracted to. But I was also a kid, I wasn't like yelling " this is who I like, this is who I am, treat me as an adult"
No, I get that. Most kids have crushes even before puberty. But that one guy was incredulous that the older woman could have written love letters in high school to her friend and not realized they were, in fact, love letters. My point is that this isn't that uncommon for women. Especially in light of purity culture and no sex before marriage. A lot of young women can misinterpret romantic feelings toward other women as friendship. We're force-fed the idea that we need to find a husband and have children. We're also told that men have more sexual drive than women and that it's normal for women to not really enjoy sex. If you're also maternal and have always wanted kids, this combination of messages can be confusing and prevent girls and women from really knowing their sexuality. So many women marry young, have kids, and don't realize until their 30s, 40s, 50s... that they're actually gay. I doubt men could make it to middle-aged and not know that they have some attraction to men, but it's not at all uncommon for this to happen to women. @@Waywardification
Brown jacket is real and stands on what is true !! Amen sister
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Facts, and ppl hate her for it
The conservative guy said "I disagree witht that" to historical facts...
What were the historical facts? I disagreed with her claim about Paul not knowing Jesus and it taking forever for him to be “ranked top 10 “ lol that’s not historically accurate.
@@1ofTheChosendude… get a life. Why are you so bothered you feel the need to respond to strangers.
@@1ofTheChosenwhat?
@@markburns2621 same here. No clue what “historical facts” they’re even referring to lol
That young girl has a LOT to learn about life. I'd bet quite a bit of money that she's incredibly sheltered and naive.
Actually she knows true life better than most people. If you mean she's naive about secular culture, maybe so, but she's all the better for it.
@@e.m.8094 I’m glad we can agree that she’s indoctrinated and was never presented with the opportunity to form her own opinions or form an identity of her own. She sure had a lot to say about how other people could dim their colors though - as plain as an unsalted cracker.
Bro the lady in the brown jacket is the worse 😂
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