Ultramobility - Again... based on my prior experiences with Winnebago, I would NEVER ever consider buying one. They look great, it’s based on an excellent platform, but I would, could never trust that it was insulated correctly, that the wiring was correctly installed, that the wiring was the correct gauge (meaning I would expect fires. Did Boldt do the installation? GREAT! If Winnebago did, I would guarantee you they used the cheapest wiring and connectors they thought they could get away with.), that the plumbing would last, hell even function. Winnebago's obsession with cheap materials, labor and components, their focus on profits over quality that amounts to blatant efforts of deception, and their lack of concern for the customers that purchase their products, all serve to scare the crap out of me on anything Winnebago. If you gave me one my only goal would be to get away from it as fast as possible.
I agree, Winnebago is slowly improving it’s quality with no staples but they have along way to go to catch up with other premium van builds. To me a 1 year warranty says it all. Love the battery package though.
I would not buy anything that the manufacturer only had enough confidence for only a one year warranty. Looks cheap. For over 100k it has absolutely no WOW. The floor plan does not work for me. I like carrying at least 4 passengers in comfort and safety.
Winnebago should be congratulated for pursuing the four-season coach and going with the Pure3 system--however, I think they may have overreached on price considering Winnebago quality. Still, it's a very interesting new offering and I like their direction. Great job, Neil, on the thorough review. Always insightful comments/observations.
Neil, I enjoy your reviews and your commentary on the pluses and minuses of the various design choices these manufacturers use in their class B van construction. I find your comments by and large to be spot on. What I miss lately is the lack of commentary on build quality. Folks who watch your videos are possibly making a purchase decision that will probably be the biggest expense of their lives outside of their home. For a vehicle at the $150.000 price point build quality is probably the most important single factor as it impacts everything else especially longevity. Of course I know these dealers are not going to let you disassemble their van to get a better look at the innards but any comments you have on apparent build quality are really helpful to those of us who aren't there looking at the van ourselves. Thanks for the great job that you do. I always look forward to these reviews.
A measly one year warranty is inexcusable for a coach at this price. I wouldn't buy one just because of that. I'd rather pay more and get a truly high-end custom coach, and know I'm getting something that will last. Great review Neil!
We have found that in the Sprinter vans the front cab area gets really hot when parked even with insulated window coverings. It's not an area that we want to be in for very long even with the AC running. Prefer a lounge area that does not include the front seats.
@@Scott_From_Maine We have both but unless we are staying in one place for a few days we use the insulated interior window coverings. I suppose suppose you would lay some of the reflective insulation across the windshield and that would help a lot... Still the cab area is always the hottest area. We are putting up an insulated curtain to block off the cab completely.
It would sure be nice if we could take the features of the Boldt and combine it with the build quality and warranty of Pleasure Way. Then we'd have a true winner . Thanks for another great review .
@@Ultramobility I recognize that companies like Leisure Travel and Pleasureway have to balance between building a great quality RV and "overbuilding" in a way that reduces sales because of too much increased cost. But it is a real shame that neither of those great companies has created an RV with such an advanced electrical system/four season capability. I love Leisure Travel Vans but up until this year they were still using a 1,000 inverter!! Is it that there are just too few customers willing to pay higher prices that causes manufacturers to use the lowest common denominator? I think that Leisure Travel and Pleasureway make fantastic vehicles, but it's a shame they don't step into the next level space. I'm sure they have done the math and it's not worth it to them. But I still can be disappointed!! I love your videos and am a big fan!! I might even be called an addict regarding your videos. You have such a calm demeanor, abundance of facts and breath of competitive knowledge. Great job all around!!
I know many 59K Travato buyers love the layout you reviewed but always ask about fridge size. In the Boldt, large propane tank and lithium batteries clearly tell you - take this van and be out in the wild for a week. The fridge size does not align with this idea very well. it would not bother me but some buyers will ask the question. There is no mounting point for a custom table between the beds - that could have been very easy to include and then allow customers to add the table size they like. Looking at the sink I would have to add some kind of splash guard to prevent water escaping onto the seat. I did not see if this is the Truma controller which is enabled for phone app access. That would be a nice feature. I wish they would engineer a nice collapsible footrest that can come standard for use between the beds and also to help an elderly person climb into the coach - that would be a nice touch. The control pads for the different systems seem scattered around the coach - I would love to see them all in one place and protected by a dark tint cover that only allow emergency red lights to be seen. Anyway with these little quirks this clearly is the most feature packed MB 3500 chassis RV. It is expensive but if you were to spend the $150k this is probably the most value and features you can buy for your money.
Neil, I so much appreciate your reviews. As I contemplate my choice to eventually purchase a Class B RV, I will continue to look out for and watch your reviews! You hit on all the points that matter to me for when I finally make my decision!!
It's nice, but overpriced for the warranty. They are being short sighted regarding that warranty, and it makes prospective customers believe that the quality may not be there (even if it is). So, no, I'd not consider paying $150k for a nice Class B with a 1 year warranty. I'd expect a minimum of 3 years and preferably 5 years for that price.
First, thank you for another awesome review! Winnebago is going in right direction, but at this price point they don’t hit the mark. Awesome bathroom/cabinet design but it appears, to offset the huge investment in premium chassis & awesome lithium system and to be attainable for the maximum number of buyers while maintaining profit margins, Winnebago had to cut cost; BUT these compromises in fit, form and functionality will turn away more buyers than gain. In this price segment, one expects: Double pane glass windows, Larger compressor refrigerator, Larger fresh water tank, Outside & in floor insulated storage (easily done by deleting LP tank using diesel/electric continuous hot water/furnace combo,) plus Redesign passenger eating table & lounge table eating location/system, Reconfigure and Upgrade entire bed system & lounge layout, Insulate & undercoat ALL water tanks, Offer 4+ year comprehensive warranty. A 1 year warranty at this price point shouts “Do Not Purchase”. The competition offers much better ROI, with historically superior in quality, fit, form, functionality, proven reliability and come with 3+ year warranties. Thus for now, it’s a no vote. However, I do give Winnebago highest praise for going in the correct direction with an awesome lithium power system and finally addressing market need & demand for a true 4 season coach in this class. With significant refinement plus a 4+ year warranty, Winnebago will not only lead the competition, they will set the standard for all to follow for years to come. If not, Winnebago will have yet another missed opportunity in the high end markets.
for $150k you don't even get track led lighting, they're so much better than single bulbs. Also this coach is $150k and reaching over 23 ft, for someone who can afford this, they'll definitely look at ltv vans with a more livable interior.
Well if you like having to completely make and un-make the bed every day, use up precious storage for bedding when not sleeping, stumble over a goofy looking mis-aligned made up bed to get from the galley/front seating to the bathroom, have minimal benefit from the expensive rear doors, have awkward access to the minimalist refrigerator, awkward access to the microwave, little consideration for how to use the vertical space that is available, have a one year warranty that doesn’t cover much anyway, and way over-pay for what it is, then it is just great.
Agreed. This layout is plain dumb. Yet someone thought it was a good idea. Go figure. I imagine it would work well for platonic friends that love to travel together and don't want to store bikes inside.
Once again, I agree with your assessment of this RV. Good on Winnebago for the 4-season capability, the elec. sys. (!), and the modest but needed improvements in build quality. But at $150K discounted, I'm gonna shop for a Pleasureway instead. (just wish PW would give us the Boldt's 4-season capability, elec. sys., and compressor fridge).
No vehicle is an appreciating asset yet it is still difficult for me to wrap my head around a $200K MSRP Class B being sold for $150K when the product just hits the market. We all know there will be many who are cash rich but common sense poor who will pay close to MSRP and within minutes from driving off the lot will have a Class B worth $140K if lucky. Seems a bit criminal. Caveat Emptor.
i asked winnebago this exact question when i interviewed them for this video and their answer was a non-answer: the dealers set the price. which isn't true. the dealers don't set the msrp price - winnebago does. why does winnebago set the msrp so bloody much higher than what dealers are discounting them to? maybe to make it look good for dealer discounts?
This coach is very good, very 2 person, a lot of wasted breath on the fact that you have to move the table to install in the rear. It is a TWO PERSON COACH! Not a Winnie fan but this is a good build, am going to buy a PW when and if I can.....the warranty alone is worth the price! Thanks Neil!
Its great they are trying 4 season, however my understanding is Pleasure Way XLMB does have a closed heated water/dump station. It seems like everyone is trying to get to the Pleasure Way standard yet just missing it. For 200k give me the XLMB and that 5 year warranty
I do like the rails installed with options for accessories. I could not live with my bedroom in this configuration. I would rather have a way to put things for traveling storage through the back and with the bathroom in the back, it takes away from that option. Love, love, love their Li system. Price... well only for the wealthy. So true that it doesn't make sense that they only have a 1 year warranty at this price range.
Yes, I would if I could trade up, but primarily for the adaptive safety features. You did a great job, Neil and to be honest, my biggest problem with my 2016 PW is that I am driving a truck. Realized it too late. Thanks!
Looks like there was room on the roof for an additional solar panel. With the space constraints of a B Class, I wonder why no one has looked into manufacturing a drop down, or swing down table tucked up against the ceiling.
Very helpful review thank you ! Newbie here and appreciate your add notes . It seems like they designed the beds for a less mobile older generation that need to be able to just lay down and not have to “climb” in and out of bed.
There’s a REASON why Winnebago only provides their coach with a one year warranty, they KNOW it is going to fall apart. Winnebago's are not built to last beyond the warranty period, the ones I owned started fall apart at the one month mark and got worse month by month. Your apprehension about the warranty is warranted (no pun intended). They may have licensed the Boldt name, put it on a Mercedes chassis, but it is still a Winnebago product. Did that shower pan seem like it was solid or did it flex and crack under your feet? Even the way they used a shower curtain on that shower area scares me knowing the Winnebago mindset. Why spend money putting plastic panels on the cabinets, the bathroom door and back door, when it only has to last 12 months? Neil, I dare you to tour a Winnebago manufacturing facility, LOL! Please add that to your project list! They may actually use plywood for cabinets instead of glue and staples for this coach, but that won’t help if they are barely glued to the coach walls. On both of my Winnebago's the cabinets started falling apart in the first month. And yes, they would re-staple them, re-glue them, but they used so little glue and the absolute thinnest staples on the original construction it was almost comical. Edit, sorry if I seem negative. Great video, excellent presentation! Maybe Winnebago is trying to improve, but my experiences with their products has soured me on the company for life. Their products actually scare me.
lardoz - I agree completely, LOL! Your point is valid. But you weren’t there, you don’t know the ruined vacations, the stresses of dealing with Winnebago trying to get the endless repairs done, the hotel stays, and the $3,000 plus tows necessary. Am I jaded against Winnebago? Yup! But for cause. Doubt me? Be my guest, go buy one and report back to me how your first 6 months of ownership was like. I joke saying that you could get a group of mentally handicapped blind people together, get them high and drunk and build an RV better than they do... but I’m not joking.
Under every definition I can find, a "Twin Bed" is 38" - 39" wide, NOT 26". Therefore these beds are only as wide as a prison cot, which (according to the Department of Corrections) are 27" wide, or 30" in handicapped cells. The manufacturers use the term "Twin Bed" very loosely, to them it just means there are two places to sleep! I modified my small RV to take out one of the "twin beds," put in an actual 39" bed, and put cabinets and storage where the other bed was.
LaMesa RV will soon be a dealer for the Storyteller Overland MODE vans. Very similar to the Revel. Would love for you to do a comparison of the two if possible.
Nice layout but it does have a few problems. I’m more interested in a full time bedroom at the back. Not having to prepare a bed every day is great. With this layout Access to the bathroom is limited and require crossing over the bed to get at it. For weekend camping it would be ok but not for full time van life. But with the standard battery and water, wast tanks plus storage makes this a killer base platform to build on. I’m sure the inverter has a True Sine-Wave output, I think feature should be noted in your equipment list. Once again thanks for this review
Great review! I love that you keep using the 5'10" model to gauge room and bed size since I'm 5'10". Good 4 season coach. There's lap belts in the rear but the backs to the seats are very short. Doesn't look like passenger 5 and 6 would ride comfortably. Does the mid seat recline so that someone might be able to catch a few hours of sleep? When we go on long drives my wife will help drive and I like to power nap and be belted in. The rear beds look comfortable as twins. One year warranty??? There's a lot of electronics and things to go bad i wish Winnebago had more confidence in the product. Keep up the good work!
Wonderful and in-depth review again! Boldt has a lot of nice technical features, but visually speaking, it looks too “industrial” and not cozy. And that wrinkly fabric upholstery in a 150k+ coach...
Never cared for the KL layout, for me the GL with the large frig and fold up bed seems hard to beat. But MB has cargo/tow cap ....I'm never happy lol TY Neil you never disappoint
Hate, hate, hate that they place the micro at knee level (and in many other rvs these days )... even a short woman will have to bend over to see the controls. I'm tall (6'2") and it's not acceptable to me . Plus the smallish frig and basically no storage for pots and pans = fail. Dining table for the couch/tv area is a fail unless you eat up front. The electrical is great (finally) . The price is ridiculous.... as I've said before , just look at what the Europeans put in their class b rvs for around 50-60k... something is way wrong here with the pricing...
Neil, we just saw the Pleasure Way On Tour 2.0 and the On Tour 2.2, their new models on the Ford Transit chassis at the Hershey RV show 2019. The 2.2 appears to be the sneak peek CanadaDream van that you reviewed 3 months ago. The 2.0 is a shorter 19’8” version that is similar to your Ascent. Thanks for all your info and work for the Class B community (and wannabes)
Great review as always. Although entirely subjective...what are your thoughts on the beds...comfortwise? Thanks again, I always look forward to your reviews.
comfort on the beds were quite nice. both sides use the Froli spring system and for the middle section when you make the bed one large bed there are wooden slats. also the head rest areas can be propped up like on the travato.
Hate the one year warranty but that electrical system is a game changer. 16 gallons of propane will last a LONG time only being used for heat. I'd probably go with the BL floor plan. Add the drop down bed with kick out's from the revel and this is home run. Would definitely choose the 4x4 option, no point in 4 season capability if you can't get there or are constantly worried about getting up that next hill. I'd really just like Winnebago to add this electrical system to the Revel to be quite honest.
As always a great review. I agree with many that the price is REALLY high. But... What's missing in all of these and especially on the larger class C's is outdoor cooking. Great that they've given us awnings... now let's follow up with some clever (see what the Australians have done!!) outdoor kitchen ideas. Start thinking outside the box!. Give me a good place to eat, sleep and drive on the inside and a great place to cook & clean on the outside.
Like on a class A, where you can unplug the induction cooktop and plug it in outside? A good space-saving solution versus carrying a more traditional BBQ grill? That table on the passenger side can swing out and be lowered for outside use, too.
@@douglastong3208 Agreed. However if we go the induction route... which I support though I'm a gas flame fan currently... we need to address power via solar panels. They should be part of the plan.. not an option. I don't want to have to "hook up" every time or burn my propane (diesel) on my generator just to cook (that and all the associated noise). Generators are great, but it defeats the purpose of induction cooking if you're burning fuel (and making noise) just to cook. Up the battery game and give it some solar support that is robust and you've got my attention. Also the pull out kitchen slides (outdoor) rather than the class A "alcoves" make more sense when considering smoke, grease, fire etc.. Check out the Conqueror trailer. Australian ex-military engineers got the kitchen right!. How about a cabinet (with locks) on the outside?. Open up the shallow cabinet and viola.. spices, kitchen tools, wine... ?? Just say'n
I believe the refrigerator is 4.2...And It would be great if they made a GL layout in the Mercedes Sprinter...That would be ideal! Thank you for the in-depth review!
I have to say that this perseveration on warranty is a bit overstated. MOST have an advertised 1 year but even Airstream is, in reality , 3 years. It’s not such a big deal and my experience has not been negative along those lines.
@@Ultramobility I have spoken to them on the phone, and they do offer factory tours to ordinary buyers. They have a new model out on a Ford Transit chassis. I think it's probably the closest I've found to PW in quality?
@@Ultramobility That's unfortunate. I"m very interested in their RV's. But it's worrisome to me that they don't not only not get back to you, but don't see it (assuming their quality is there as they profess) as a great opportunity to market their products. Their big claim is unmatched quality. So why not show it off to a respected reviewer? Thanks for all you do.
@@Telencephelon Is it that hard for you to understand that not everyone understands what someone is saying. I don't understand why having a 1 year warranty is considered "no confidence in their own work" but if someone offers 2 years or more, then wouldn't that same logic should apply.
hi everyone - thanks for the discussion and let's try to be kind to one another. No One Special, i think tillallareoneluv said it right: a 1 year warranty is a reflection of the manufacturers confidence in their build out. for every year that they add to the warranty the coach has to either hold up or the manufacturer has to add repair dollars to every unit sold to cover repair costs down the road. since winnebago is not willing to give a longer warranty it means a) they don't have confidence in the quality of the build out to last beyond a year and b) they are unwilling to allocate funds for each unit sold to cover repairs past a year.
Xiang- totally agree that the warranty could be so much better, like Neil said. It does seem like Winnebago isn’t as confident in their build as they are confident in their pricing . Overall, it looks nice, but I would want a spacious and removable table in between the sofas. That’s my deal breaker on this unit, surprisingly. They do all the nice upgrades and blow it on an essential item.
*They should be ashamed to only offer a 1 yr warranty on this vehicle. Perhaps the logic is this :* 1. if you can afford a $150 - $180k coach ... 2. you can afford an EXTENDED Warranty. I'll pass
This was my point when you reviewed the beyond..........just as good a coach and pay 50-60k less.....same one year warrenty......beyond quality components(zantrex, truma, sumo, multiplex wiring, phasechange insulation) 22 feet long and best cabinetry in the industry!!!!!!
Why would anyone compare Travatos to these? 50-$60K difference makes it non comparable. In Washington state were Ferry considerations are important, 22ft is the point where you start paying double price than those up to 22’.
because the boldt is an almost identical copy in terms of layout, 4 season and a bad ass electrical system to the much less expensive travato 59kl. now wouldn't you as a buyer want to know why you're being asked to pay $20k more for the boldt?
Excellent Review. On the surface the Boldt has all the features I like to see...MBZ chassis, 4x4, solar, etc etc. All looks very attractive. But when scratching the surface and upon inspection it’s still a Winnebago with little or no quality control, poor fit and finish, plastic hinges and latches and with maintenance prone electrical and plumbing systems. At least it does not have a slide out. But the 1-year Winnebago warranty does not build confidence. Match the MBZ 4-year Warranty and it will be worth another look. The quality must meet the price.
Very nice review, thank you. It was cool that you decided from the get go to compare and contrast Boldt to Travato, as Winnebago certainly took Travato design as a starting point for Boldt retrofitting. Agree with most of your points. Would add that I expected a bit more luxury touches given the price point. Also when you compared (nearly identical) electrical systems in Boldt and Travato, you forgot to mention that Winnebago could not implement AutoStart in Boldt due to Mercedes rejection. This point raised a lot of discussion on the forums as there is no good way to replenish battery in boondocking scenario. Solar panels would be lucky to just counteract parasitic draw caused by Volta electronics. Battery capacity is huge, but only until you decide to run the AC, which may only last one day before you are tapped out and need to break a camp and go on the 2-3 hour highway ride to recharge batteries from the engine.
Are you sure? I'd be shocked if it was not able ti charge the battery at idle, whether or not a high idle is provided. Modern alternators seldom need more than idle rpm to generate good current.
Barry Timm If Volta uses the same alternator as in Travato, then low idle won’t work. Travato owners reported that even driving around at low speed did not provide sufficient charging to the batteries. Only going at highway speeds resulted in a quick recharging. At low idle batteries will be recharging, but very slow.
@@user-ym6lc7pk1e That's weird. Perhaps due to the huge size of those Lifepo4 batteries? They are 3-5 times larger than most optional LFP upgrades from other manufacturers, where the usual size is 200-300ah while this coach's LFP bank is nearly 1000ah, so it will take a lot longer to charge than what is considered "normal". FWIW, 1000ah of LFP will run nearly $10k for the batteries by themselves, without that large 3.6kw inverter, so this coach's extra alternator, solar, inverter and battery system is likely a $12k cost to build at wholesale pricing and $15k or so retail pricing. It does help explain the high cost of these vans!
Thanks for your review of the Bolt. This was the exact one I referred to in your last review. Great job bringing out its value and capacity all the way around with electric and storage/appliances etc. I didn’t like the bed at all because even if you make it as large as possible sleeping/snuggling with your partner looks awful. 😆 I like the layout on the back twin bed model better. Maybe in the future you’ll find one to review. It seems more practical but that’s just from seeing the floor plan. It’s definitely a nice 4 season contender. But Winnebago cheaped out with that low end warranty and no roadside assistance. They need to listen to the market because if they’re not willing to back it with a decent warranty of at least 3 years that shows what they think about what they built. I know that’s their CFO telling them to do that but that’s no way to make this coach a leader in the market. Big negative 👎 on my end as a consumer. Marketing needs to do more testing and interviews. Other than that, another great review Neil!
Firstly Winnebagos sales (goto NIRVC youtube/Newmar purchase for more accurate info) are down 30%, as is a lot of the industry. So the warranty may be a function of this. I actually don't get the lounge/bed floorplan. I don't need to feel like a 5-year old that can't get comfortable on a seat that is made for adults. The floorplan doesn't work for me. I think for the money it should offer Espar diesel hydronic heating, a large fridge and gold toliet;). Another thing of note is that from my understanding the latches are prone to wear and as degrade quickly. Also, the dual-pane acrylic windows don't provide that much more insulation and are definitely not worth the hefty upgrade price. Winnebago has also done mid-cycle upgrades on the 2020.5 Travado which are significant Go to Lichtsinn to see about such and Ron's voice is not in that horrible carny mode for this video.
Hi Neil and y’all: We are a couple from Brasil with two kids, who will spent few years on the road throughout the world, with a Class B Camper Van. I’ve been to the last Caravan Salon in Düsseldorf, Germany (considered the largest on the world) and found that the prices for these vehicles there are incredibly cheaper (I mean, unbelievably cheaper!!!) than in the USA. What is the reason for that? Keep in mind that their quality is superb! Also I found very difficult to find a van that offers two fixed beds, one for the couple which is separated from the rest of the van, so the couple have privacy, and the other for the kids. I would appreciate your comments! Thanks in advance.
@@Ultramobility Neither is the mercedes Sprinter with all those features. I guess the list price it is slightly above 100k. The battery is 15k/10kWh. All the other materials and items account for 30k. They get heavy discounts. All this does not justify the asking price of 200.000
That's my bucket list. But what's the purpose of the huge propane tank? Most don't live in Alaska. Advanced RV does away with propane also. Imagine the weight you'd gain.
Great video. Travato has been high on my list, especially the National Parks version, so would be cool if you could compare that version to the Boldt. But this extensive overview of the Boldt was really well done. Definitely like the 4x4 feature. May have to save up a little longer and wait for model year two to see if prices come down at all.
Great looking vans, however I'd want a full sized permanent bed or Murphy drop down one, and I'd be looking for a full four season motor home with double floor, European style.
Beautiful coach but WAY out of my range, thank goodness NO stick framing, for that price tag, it better not be. Neal, can you please do a review on the Mercedes Metris Anacapa? They are out of San Fernando. Have you seen it? VERY interesting - it's compact at 129 inch wheel base, has a standard pop top, it fits in the garage and is very modern, has double sliding doors, small 12 volt dometic fridge, 5 gal gray tank, floor to ceiling cabinets, 18 water fresh gallon tank, swivel passenger seat ( didn't show the drivers swivel so not sure ), it has seatbelts for 4 people and sleeps 4, it has great horsepower ( I believe 208?) and wait, PADDLE shifting, plus gets 22+ mpg. I emailed the company, they go for $70k and can easily upgrade to $95 ( of course ). Your video and feedback on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
In addition, a place called Peace Vans up in Seattle is doing something similar with the Metris. They're a large VW Van/Westie repair & renovation firm that's been in business for years, and decided to do a modern take on the Westie with the MB Metris. I'd love to see that get the full Ultramobility review...
I really like like this motorhome I think fresh water should be a bit more And if you have so much battery why not have another panel. I don't see much problem about the table, some compromise is needed to have this floor plan which is really nice.
On the surface this is everything I would ever want in a B Class. Winter ready, modern design, etc. Other than the refrigerator you don't talk a whole lot about fit and finish in this video, but I think I can see the writing on the wall. 1 year coach warranty, especially at that price, is unacceptable. It's really too bad. Winnebago needs to step up a little more.
yeah the fit and finish is par for the course on the boldt with respect to other winnebago class b offerings. i;d have to do a factory tour to really see how it is built.
Neil: Great review on the whole. I like to idea of the power system being able to run the A/C without the generator for a long period. Adds a lot to the stealth factor when in the city also. I think I would be more inclined to buy the BL model with a better front lounge, extra three-point belt, and can open the back door to the ocean (for instance). The solar system has a connector on the side so you can park your rig in the shade and set up some light-weigh panels in the sun and connect them. What adds to the price is the MB package and the Pure system. As I understand the construction used for this rig from other videos, the cabinetry is very well made and the insulation is CVC cut. After reading a lot of the comments I think past experiences with Winnebago has caused some negative bias not applicable to this unit. However, I agree the one-year warranty is scary. I hope you will also get a chance to review the BL model when it becomes available. Thanks.
that 1 year warranty says it all. if the coach is built well then it should stand up and winnebago should be confident giving it a 3 year or more warranty.
Thank you Neil. It is a nice van no doubt. Having dual wheels in the back allows them to pop their weight capacity way up. For me personally it is 4 feet too long. Anything over 20 feet limits some national Park roads and other access. Additionally, no four-wheel-drive is also a problem. I am also not a big fan of that cloth fabric. At least not at this price point.
Another great review. Nice looking class B but it is expensive. I agree with your assessment of the rear lounge - doesn’t look that comfortable a place to sit and chat.
As usual, a great review. I am pleased to see the safety updates that Mercedes has added. The size is good although it is pushing the limits for my taste. The twin beds might be a problem for me but, oh well. Love the 16 gal. propane tank. All in all i would be inclined to consider the Boldt if I were in the market. I am still enjoying the (very rare it seems) Winnebago Paseo. Please keep the great reviews coming.
Hey Neil another great review! But I wonder if Winnebago is starting to price themselves out of the market?? Hey BTW are you going to be at the Hershey show next week? I would love to meet and shake your hand in person to thank you for all the time, effort and expertise that you put into your reviews.
Exelent review, could be a good coach, exelent power sources, for me a basic expectation for any RV,walk way to the bathroom, and have a coffe in the morning,without bothering anybody, btw,couches horroble🚙🚙🙋♂️🇺🇸
I listened close but I do not think you said....if this has enough solar and battery to run AC overnight? Also would the solar be enough to run AC several nights in a row boondocking?
@@arsxs04 thank you for the reply. I am a few years out from buying one. Do you think there will ever be enough improvement in solar and batteries where it would be possible to run AC overnight?
@@stevewoods7299 it's highly unlikely. Nothing drains power from batteries more than AC. Your better off getting a little quiet Honda generator and letting it run all night to power the AC.
See I actually kinda like this now that you break it down. I was really deterred by the “bed” originally but when you said 81” length bed I was shocked, that’s awesome, but looks bland and awkward still. Ideally I would use that as my bed and the other side as a sleeping section. The bathroom, WOW, HUGE, and EXTRA HANGING CLOSET, that’s a big deal for me. I will have to deduct points for the latch fridge, and I’m not liking the finish of the cabinets, the IROK cabinetry is gorgeous. And I’m not sure which I prefer. I am a performance buyer I would say when it comes to RVs but certain qualities in an rv can be eye sores in my mind. I was most impressed with the LITHIUM battery storage and standard solar panels, huge plus, especially because I want a Ring security system installed in my RV and I will need plenty of power to keep my internet and security system going. Still might have to get and aftermarket energy system depending on the vehicle and features. 7/10 overall score.
Sadly there are currently no safety upgrades on the Promaster roadmap. This is the reason we have had to seriously look at 2019 Mercedes and upcoming 2020 Ford Transit platforms
I enjoyed the review. One small correction. The 2020 Ford Transit is not 4x4. It is AWD. There is a difference. Your prior review on the Panasonic also mentioned the 2020 model was 4x4. I contacted the company owner who admitted it was an AWD Ford, not 4x4. For those of us looking for a 4X4, it’s a big deal. I would have considered the Bolt if it wasn’t diesel.
Nice review. Short warranty is disappointing, but I think, anyone willing to spend this much money on a coach can afford to buy extended warranty. As for short warranty being a reflection of manufacturer little confidence in their built, this has not been proven. In fact, looking at other Winnebago class B vehicles, their reliability in year 2, 3 and beyond is no better or worth then other players in this space. Their Travato RVs have been very reliable for the customers, Volta electrical system is probably the best engineered solution out there, so goes for Truma heating and hot water system. They use quality components for their refrigerator, A/C and other appliances, so I would not be hesitant to go on the road in this RV.
I thought you said last time for your upcoming 2020 Winnebago video, it’s going to be all season which it is and 4X4. This model is not 4X4! You’re pretty good at your presentation. Are you or if retired, were you in sales?Thanks for the post.
yeah you're right this particular unit is not 4x4 and they didn't have any on the dealer lot unfortunately. i am semi-retired and do this channel as a passion project. i was in sales in terms of being an entrepreneur but never in rv sales.
I know the Underhood 2nd alternator has been used for awhile on several class B’s but manufacturers feel it’s problematic. As an example pleasure way isn’t sold on them. Did you ask Dean why they don’t use them instead of the noisy generator? Intuitively the 2nd alternator would seem the way to go.
I spoke to Dean at length about AC powered by lithium systems a couple weeks ago. He just doesn't want to support full up lithium in the field, so PW is going to stick with the generator powered AC approach.
Robin B thanks for update. If that’s the case then in my opinion PW better find a way to insulate the horrible sound to the inside of the coach. The current level of noise coupled with the loud AC makes it unbearable.
Excellent video! 👍👍👍!!! Because it is a four-season coach with a great electrical system, I could remove one long bench and put in a Bitcoin server instead. Then I can do trading and make some money on the road. At the same time, I can enjoy the RV lifestyle. However, the one year warranty turns me off.
Hello there good day ..What about the Coachmen Beyond it has almost the same layout and Lithium as well do you have any comments?? Also are Wheels on the Boldt Alloy ?? Or are they as always Steel with covers on them ?? I noticed that the Beyond has alloy and its less money I really don’t get it how they price these vehicles.. Thank you very much and great videos
Neil, Thanks for your videos. I find them so helpful. I am considering a purchase of a 2020 Pleasure-Way Ascent v. the Boldt KL. I like the Pure 3, insulation (we live in MA) and compressor refrigerator over PW's Eco-Ion and 3-way refrigerator but is it worth all the quality issues we might have and out of pocket cost after the warranty is over? What decision would you make? Thanks in advance.
I like the Winnebago brand but this will not be on my list. The ergonomics is quite clunky. I like the heated/insulated tanks. I've seen better bathroom setup. A wet bath is not for us. The warranty is not ideal. For the price, it should include a 3 year warranty. An option for 5 would be good too. I like the Mercedes-Benz platform. For sure, my wife will look at this and will keep on walking. Thank you for doing what you're doing, man.
OK now why wouldn't they make the to beds even and move that closet on the other end of the passenger side bed.....this looks crazy and your sleeping in the kitchen and living room.....at $150,000 this unit should be perfect and its not even close sorry
What are your thoughts on the Winnebago Boldt? Would you buy one?
Ultramobility - Again... based on my prior experiences with Winnebago, I would NEVER ever consider buying one. They look great, it’s based on an excellent platform, but I would, could never trust that it was insulated correctly, that the wiring was correctly installed, that the wiring was the correct gauge (meaning I would expect fires. Did Boldt do the installation? GREAT! If Winnebago did, I would guarantee you they used the cheapest wiring and connectors they thought they could get away with.), that the plumbing would last, hell even function. Winnebago's obsession with cheap materials, labor and components, their focus on profits over quality that amounts to blatant efforts of deception, and their lack of concern for the customers that purchase their products, all serve to scare the crap out of me on anything Winnebago. If you gave me one my only goal would be to get away from it as fast as possible.
@Erin Thor - maybe why they only offer a 1 year warranty on this coach?
I agree, Winnebago is slowly improving it’s quality with no staples but they have along way to go to catch up with other premium van builds. To me a 1 year warranty says it all. Love the battery package though.
I would not buy anything that the manufacturer only had enough confidence for only a one year warranty.
Looks cheap. For over 100k it has absolutely no WOW. The floor plan does not work for me. I like carrying at least 4 passengers in comfort and safety.
Winnebago should be congratulated for pursuing the four-season coach and going with the Pure3 system--however, I think they may have overreached on price considering Winnebago quality. Still, it's a very interesting new offering and I like their direction. Great job, Neil, on the thorough review. Always insightful comments/observations.
Neil, I enjoy your reviews and your commentary on the pluses and minuses of the various design choices these manufacturers use in their class B van construction. I find your comments by and large to be spot on. What I miss lately is the lack of commentary on build quality. Folks who watch your videos are possibly making a purchase decision that will probably be the biggest expense of their lives outside of their home. For a vehicle at the $150.000 price point build quality is probably the most important single factor as it impacts everything else especially longevity. Of course I know these dealers are not going to let you disassemble their van to get a better look at the innards but any comments you have on apparent build quality are really helpful to those of us who aren't there looking at the van ourselves. Thanks for the great job that you do. I always look forward to these reviews.
A measly one year warranty is inexcusable for a coach at this price. I wouldn't buy one just because of that. I'd rather pay more and get a truly high-end custom coach, and know I'm getting something that will last. Great review Neil!
We have found that in the Sprinter vans the front cab area gets really hot when parked even with insulated window coverings. It's not an area that we want to be in for very long even with the AC running. Prefer a lounge area that does not include the front seats.
thank you for sharing your ownership experience!
Good tip. Thank you for that.
Have you tried an outside cover over the glass?
@@Scott_From_Maine We have both but unless we are staying in one place for a few days we use the insulated interior window coverings. I suppose suppose you would lay some of the reflective insulation across the windshield and that would help a lot... Still the cab area is always the hottest area. We are putting up an insulated curtain to block off the cab completely.
It would sure be nice if we could take the features of the Boldt and combine it with the build quality and warranty of Pleasure Way. Then we'd have a true winner . Thanks for another great review .
that would be a dream come true!
@@Ultramobility I recognize that companies like Leisure Travel and Pleasureway have to balance between building a great quality RV and "overbuilding" in a way that reduces sales because of too much increased cost. But it is a real shame that neither of those great companies has created an RV with such an advanced electrical system/four season capability. I love Leisure Travel Vans but up until this year they were still using a 1,000 inverter!! Is it that there are just too few customers willing to pay higher prices that causes manufacturers to use the lowest common denominator? I think that Leisure Travel and Pleasureway make fantastic vehicles, but it's a shame they don't step into the next level space. I'm sure they have done the math and it's not worth it to them. But I still can be disappointed!! I love your videos and am a big fan!! I might even be called an addict regarding your videos. You have such a calm demeanor, abundance of facts and breath of competitive knowledge. Great job all around!!
I know many 59K Travato buyers love the layout you reviewed but always ask about fridge size. In the Boldt, large propane tank and lithium batteries clearly tell you - take this van and be out in the wild for a week. The fridge size does not align with this idea very well. it would not bother me but some buyers will ask the question. There is no mounting point for a custom table between the beds - that could have been very easy to include and then allow customers to add the table size they like. Looking at the sink I would have to add some kind of splash guard to prevent water escaping onto the seat. I did not see if this is the Truma controller which is enabled for phone app access. That would be a nice feature. I wish they would engineer a nice collapsible footrest that can come standard for use between the beds and also to help an elderly person climb into the coach - that would be a nice touch. The control pads for the different systems seem scattered around the coach - I would love to see them all in one place and protected by a dark tint cover that only allow emergency red lights to be seen. Anyway with these little quirks this clearly is the most feature packed MB 3500 chassis RV. It is expensive but if you were to spend the $150k this is probably the most value and features you can buy for your money.
Neil, I so much appreciate your reviews. As I contemplate my choice to eventually purchase a Class B RV, I will continue to look out for and watch your reviews! You hit on all the points that matter to me for when I finally make my decision!!
thank you!
It's nice, but overpriced for the warranty. They are being short sighted regarding that warranty, and it makes prospective customers believe that the quality may not be there (even if it is). So, no, I'd not consider paying $150k for a nice Class B with a 1 year warranty. I'd expect a minimum of 3 years and preferably 5 years for that price.
what does Dean of Leisure Travel Vans have to say about that?
@@TheShootist I haven't a clue.
First, thank you for another awesome review! Winnebago is going in right direction, but at this price point they don’t hit the mark. Awesome bathroom/cabinet design but it appears, to offset the huge investment in premium chassis & awesome lithium system and to be attainable for the maximum number of buyers while maintaining profit margins, Winnebago had to cut cost; BUT these compromises in fit, form and functionality will turn away more buyers than gain. In this price segment, one expects: Double pane glass windows, Larger compressor refrigerator, Larger fresh water tank, Outside & in floor insulated storage (easily done by deleting LP tank using diesel/electric continuous hot water/furnace combo,) plus Redesign passenger eating table & lounge table eating location/system, Reconfigure and Upgrade entire bed system & lounge layout, Insulate & undercoat ALL water tanks, Offer 4+ year comprehensive warranty. A 1 year warranty at this price point shouts “Do Not Purchase”. The competition offers much better ROI, with historically superior in quality, fit, form, functionality, proven reliability and come with 3+ year warranties. Thus for now, it’s a no vote.
However, I do give Winnebago highest praise for going in the correct direction with an awesome lithium power system and finally addressing market need & demand for a true 4 season coach in this class. With significant refinement plus a 4+ year warranty, Winnebago will not only lead the competition, they will set the standard for all to follow for years to come. If not, Winnebago will have yet another missed opportunity in the high end markets.
for $150k you don't even get track led lighting, they're so much better than single bulbs. Also this coach is $150k and reaching over 23 ft, for someone who can afford this, they'll definitely look at ltv vans with a more livable interior.
Well if you like having to completely make and un-make the bed every day, use up precious storage for bedding when not sleeping, stumble over a goofy looking mis-aligned made up bed to get from the galley/front seating to the bathroom, have minimal benefit from the expensive rear doors, have awkward access to the minimalist refrigerator, awkward access to the microwave, little consideration for how to use the vertical space that is available, have a one year warranty that doesn’t cover much anyway, and way over-pay for what it is, then it is just great.
balahmay great point about the vert space.
Agreed. This layout is plain dumb. Yet someone thought it was a good idea. Go figure. I imagine it would work well for platonic friends that love to travel together and don't want to store bikes inside.
Another great review... but... I kept finding myself being distracted by those two little men rope climbing on your wall behind you. Lol
Great review. Covered pretty much everything. Nice interior construction and finishing.
Once again, I agree with your assessment of this RV. Good on Winnebago for the 4-season capability, the elec. sys. (!), and the modest but needed improvements in build quality. But at $150K discounted, I'm gonna shop for a Pleasureway instead. (just wish PW would give us the Boldt's 4-season capability, elec. sys., and compressor fridge).
No vehicle is an appreciating asset yet it is still difficult for me to wrap my head around a $200K MSRP Class B being sold for $150K when the product just hits the market. We all know there will be many who are cash rich but common sense poor who will pay close to MSRP and within minutes from driving off the lot will have a Class B worth $140K if lucky.
Seems a bit criminal. Caveat Emptor.
i asked winnebago this exact question when i interviewed them for this video and their answer was a non-answer: the dealers set the price. which isn't true. the dealers don't set the msrp price - winnebago does. why does winnebago set the msrp so bloody much higher than what dealers are discounting them to? maybe to make it look good for dealer discounts?
this is why it would be nice to buy a used one!
This coach is very good, very 2 person, a lot of wasted breath on the fact that you have to move the table to install in the rear. It is a TWO PERSON COACH! Not a Winnie fan but this is a good build, am going to buy a PW when and if I can.....the warranty alone is worth the price! Thanks Neil!
Its great they are trying 4 season, however my understanding is Pleasure Way XLMB does have a closed heated water/dump station. It seems like everyone is trying to get to the Pleasure Way standard yet just missing it. For 200k give me the XLMB and that 5 year warranty
The longer I watched, the less I liked it. The sleeping arrangement is a real deal breaker.
Agreed. Terrible layout
That's why they have the BL floor plan.
I do like the rails installed with options for accessories. I could not live with my bedroom in this configuration. I would rather have a way to put things for traveling storage through the back and with the bathroom in the back, it takes away from that option. Love, love, love their Li system. Price... well only for the wealthy. So true that it doesn't make sense that they only have a 1 year warranty at this price range.
apparently others agree with your comment. thanks for watching!
Yes, I would if I could trade up, but primarily for the adaptive safety features. You did a great job, Neil and to be honest, my biggest problem with my 2016 PW is that I am driving a truck. Realized it too late. Thanks!
what PW do you own? An XL model?
Looks like there was room on the roof for an additional solar panel. With the space constraints of a B Class, I wonder why no one has looked into manufacturing a drop down, or swing down table tucked up against the ceiling.
because it would take imagination to do so...
Very helpful review thank you ! Newbie here and appreciate your add notes .
It seems like they designed the beds for a less mobile older generation that need to be able to just lay down and not have to “climb” in and out of bed.
There’s a REASON why Winnebago only provides their coach with a one year warranty, they KNOW it is going to fall apart. Winnebago's are not built to last beyond the warranty period, the ones I owned started fall apart at the one month mark and got worse month by month. Your apprehension about the warranty is warranted (no pun intended). They may have licensed the Boldt name, put it on a Mercedes chassis, but it is still a Winnebago product. Did that shower pan seem like it was solid or did it flex and crack under your feet? Even the way they used a shower curtain on that shower area scares me knowing the Winnebago mindset. Why spend money putting plastic panels on the cabinets, the bathroom door and back door, when it only has to last 12 months? Neil, I dare you to tour a Winnebago manufacturing facility, LOL! Please add that to your project list! They may actually use plywood for cabinets instead of glue and staples for this coach, but that won’t help if they are barely glued to the coach walls. On both of my Winnebago's the cabinets started falling apart in the first month. And yes, they would re-staple them, re-glue them, but they used so little glue and the absolute thinnest staples on the original construction it was almost comical.
Edit, sorry if I seem negative. Great video, excellent presentation! Maybe Winnebago is trying to improve, but my experiences with their products has soured me on the company for life. Their products actually scare me.
thank you so much for sharing your ownership experience! i want to do a factory tour as well!
Your comments sound like your were eating sour apples when you made them...:-)
lardoz - I agree completely, LOL! Your point is valid. But you weren’t there, you don’t know the ruined vacations, the stresses of dealing with Winnebago trying to get the endless repairs done, the hotel stays, and the $3,000 plus tows necessary. Am I jaded against Winnebago? Yup! But for cause. Doubt me? Be my guest, go buy one and report back to me how your first 6 months of ownership was like. I joke saying that you could get a group of mentally handicapped blind people together, get them high and drunk and build an RV better than they do... but I’m not joking.
Under every definition I can find, a "Twin Bed" is 38" - 39" wide, NOT 26". Therefore these beds are only as wide as a prison cot, which (according to the Department of Corrections) are 27" wide, or 30" in handicapped cells. The manufacturers use the term "Twin Bed" very loosely, to them it just means there are two places to sleep! I modified my small RV to take out one of the "twin beds," put in an actual 39" bed, and put cabinets and storage where the other bed was.
LaMesa RV will soon be a dealer for the Storyteller Overland MODE vans. Very similar to the Revel. Would love for you to do a comparison of the two if possible.
Nice layout but it does have a few problems. I’m more interested in a full time bedroom at the back. Not having to prepare a bed every day is great.
With this layout Access to the bathroom is limited and require crossing over the bed to get at it.
For weekend camping it would be ok but not for full time van life.
But with the standard battery and water, wast tanks plus storage makes this a killer base platform to build on.
I’m sure the inverter has a True Sine-Wave output, I think feature should be noted in your equipment list.
Once again thanks for this review
you're more than welcome. yes the inverter is true sine wave.
Great review! I love that you keep using the 5'10" model to gauge room and bed size since I'm 5'10". Good 4 season coach. There's lap belts in the rear but the backs to the seats are very short. Doesn't look like passenger 5 and 6 would ride comfortably. Does the mid seat recline so that someone might be able to catch a few hours of sleep? When we go on long drives my wife will help drive and I like to power nap and be belted in. The rear beds look comfortable as twins. One year warranty??? There's a lot of electronics and things to go bad i wish Winnebago had more confidence in the product.
Keep up the good work!
Wonderful and in-depth review again! Boldt has a lot of nice technical features, but visually speaking, it looks too “industrial” and not cozy. And that wrinkly fabric upholstery in a 150k+ coach...
Excellent review as usual, Neil. Can’t wait for your Solis review!
Nice class b van, still prefer the 59g layout but still looks pretty cool. As always great video!
When will this electrical system the standard in most RVs or able to upgrade to the system it seems a no brainer
Great critical review! Best review I've seen.
Love the twin beds.
Never cared for the KL layout, for me the GL with the large frig and fold up bed seems hard to beat. But MB has cargo/tow cap ....I'm never happy lol TY Neil you never disappoint
very happy to hear that!
Hate, hate, hate that they place the micro at knee level (and in many other rvs these days )... even a short woman will have to bend over to see the controls. I'm tall (6'2") and it's not acceptable to me . Plus the smallish frig and basically no storage for pots and pans = fail. Dining table for the couch/tv area is a fail unless you eat up front. The electrical is great (finally) . The price is ridiculous.... as I've said before , just look at what the Europeans put in their class b rvs for around 50-60k... something is way wrong here with the pricing...
Neil, we just saw the Pleasure Way On Tour 2.0 and the On Tour 2.2, their new models on the Ford Transit chassis at the Hershey RV show 2019. The 2.2 appears to be the sneak peek CanadaDream van that you reviewed 3 months ago. The 2.0 is a shorter 19’8” version that is similar to your Ascent. Thanks for all your info and work for the Class B community (and wannabes)
Great review as always. Although entirely subjective...what are your thoughts on the beds...comfortwise? Thanks again, I always look forward to your reviews.
comfort on the beds were quite nice. both sides use the Froli spring system and for the middle section when you make the bed one large bed there are wooden slats. also the head rest areas can be propped up like on the travato.
Hate the one year warranty but that electrical system is a game changer. 16 gallons of propane will last a LONG time only being used for heat. I'd probably go with the BL floor plan. Add the drop down bed with kick out's from the revel and this is home run. Would definitely choose the 4x4 option, no point in 4 season capability if you can't get there or are constantly worried about getting up that next hill. I'd really just like Winnebago to add this electrical system to the Revel to be quite honest.
As always a great review. I agree with many that the price is REALLY high. But... What's missing in all of these and especially on the larger class C's is outdoor cooking. Great that they've given us awnings... now let's follow up with some clever (see what the Australians have done!!) outdoor kitchen ideas. Start thinking outside the box!. Give me a good place to eat, sleep and drive on the inside and a great place to cook & clean on the outside.
great idea!
Like on a class A, where you can unplug the induction cooktop and plug it in outside? A good space-saving solution versus carrying a more traditional BBQ grill? That table on the passenger side can swing out and be lowered for outside use, too.
@@douglastong3208 Agreed. However if we go the induction route... which I support though I'm a gas flame fan currently... we need to address power via solar panels. They should be part of the plan.. not an option. I don't want to have to "hook up" every time or burn my propane (diesel) on my generator just to cook (that and all the associated noise). Generators are great, but it defeats the purpose of induction cooking if you're burning fuel (and making noise) just to cook. Up the battery game and give it some solar support that is robust and you've got my attention. Also the pull out kitchen slides (outdoor) rather than the class A "alcoves" make more sense when considering smoke, grease, fire etc.. Check out the Conqueror trailer. Australian ex-military engineers got the kitchen right!. How about a cabinet (with locks) on the outside?. Open up the shallow cabinet and viola.. spices, kitchen tools, wine... ?? Just say'n
Wow! So much money! Neal, I love those guys climbing climbing on your office wall. Thank You for another informative review!
I believe the refrigerator is 4.2...And It would be great if they made a GL layout in the Mercedes Sprinter...That would be ideal! Thank you for the in-depth review!
I have to say that this perseveration on warranty is a bit overstated. MOST have an advertised 1 year but even Airstream is, in reality , 3 years. It’s not such a big deal and my experience has not been negative along those lines.
In that price range I wish you could do a review on some of the Coach House models. I know it might be difficult because they are only in Florida.
unfortunately they never get back to me...
@@Ultramobility I have spoken to them on the phone, and they do offer factory tours to ordinary buyers. They have a new model out on a Ford Transit chassis. I think it's probably the closest I've found to PW in quality?
@@Ultramobility That's unfortunate. I"m very interested in their RV's. But it's worrisome to me that they don't not only not get back to you, but don't see it (assuming their quality is there as they profess) as a great opportunity to market their products. Their big claim is unmatched quality. So why not show it off to a respected reviewer?
Thanks for all you do.
1 year warranty means they don't even have confidence in their own work.
Are you suggesting those that provide 2 years or more warranty have even less confidence in their work. I don't understand.
@@noonespecial6076 Is that your attempt of passive aggressiveness or are you just "slow"?
@@Telencephelon Is it that hard for you to understand that not everyone understands what someone is saying. I don't understand why having a 1 year warranty is considered "no confidence in their own work" but if someone offers 2 years or more, then wouldn't that same logic should apply.
hi everyone - thanks for the discussion and let's try to be kind to one another. No One Special, i think tillallareoneluv said it right: a 1 year warranty is a reflection of the manufacturers confidence in their build out. for every year that they add to the warranty the coach has to either hold up or the manufacturer has to add repair dollars to every unit sold to cover repair costs down the road. since winnebago is not willing to give a longer warranty it means a) they don't have confidence in the quality of the build out to last beyond a year and b) they are unwilling to allocate funds for each unit sold to cover repairs past a year.
Xiang- totally agree that the warranty could be so much better, like Neil said. It does seem like Winnebago isn’t as confident in their build as they are confident in their pricing . Overall, it looks nice, but I would want a spacious and removable table in between the sofas. That’s my deal breaker on this unit, surprisingly. They do all the nice upgrades and blow it on an essential item.
*They should be ashamed to only offer a 1 yr warranty on this vehicle. Perhaps the logic is this :*
1. if you can afford a $150 - $180k coach ...
2. you can afford an EXTENDED Warranty.
I'll pass
good points
This was my point when you reviewed the beyond..........just as good a coach and pay 50-60k less.....same one year warrenty......beyond quality components(zantrex, truma, sumo, multiplex wiring, phasechange insulation) 22 feet long and best cabinetry in the industry!!!!!!
yep, if you're only going to get a 1 year warranty then why pay $150k?
Why would anyone compare Travatos to these?
50-$60K difference makes it non comparable.
In Washington state were Ferry considerations are important, 22ft is the point where you start paying double price than those up to 22’.
because the boldt is an almost identical copy in terms of layout, 4 season and a bad ass electrical system to the much less expensive travato 59kl. now wouldn't you as a buyer want to know why you're being asked to pay $20k more for the boldt?
Ultramobility are you saying that a Travato KL costs now $130K??
MotorCityMax Nope, absolutely!
Compare to your hearts content 😆😆
Excellent Review. On the surface the Boldt has all the features I like to see...MBZ chassis, 4x4, solar, etc etc. All looks very attractive. But when scratching the surface and upon inspection it’s still a Winnebago with little or no quality control, poor fit and finish, plastic hinges and latches and with maintenance prone electrical and plumbing systems. At least it does not have a slide out. But the 1-year Winnebago warranty does not build confidence. Match the MBZ 4-year Warranty and it will be worth another look. The quality must meet the price.
Very nice review, thank you. It was cool that you decided from the get go to compare and contrast Boldt to Travato, as Winnebago certainly took Travato design as a starting point for Boldt retrofitting.
Agree with most of your points. Would add that I expected a bit more luxury touches given the price point. Also when you compared (nearly identical) electrical systems in Boldt and Travato, you forgot to mention that Winnebago could not implement AutoStart in Boldt due to Mercedes rejection. This point raised a lot of discussion on the forums as there is no good way to replenish battery in boondocking scenario. Solar panels would be lucky to just counteract parasitic draw caused by Volta electronics.
Battery capacity is huge, but only until you decide to run the AC, which may only last one day before you are tapped out and need to break a camp and go on the 2-3 hour highway ride to recharge batteries from the engine.
Idle the engine for a couple hours instead of braking camp and driving around?
Barry Timm won’t work unless you install high idle module. Volta alternator won’t generate sufficient charging current at low idle.
Are you sure? I'd be shocked if it was not able ti charge the battery at idle, whether or not a high idle is provided. Modern alternators seldom need more than idle rpm to generate good current.
Barry Timm If Volta uses the same alternator as in Travato, then low idle won’t work. Travato owners reported that even driving around at low speed did not provide sufficient charging to the batteries. Only going at highway speeds resulted in a quick recharging. At low idle batteries will be recharging, but very slow.
@@user-ym6lc7pk1e That's weird. Perhaps due to the huge size of those Lifepo4 batteries? They are 3-5 times larger than most optional LFP upgrades from other manufacturers, where the usual size is 200-300ah while this coach's LFP bank is nearly 1000ah, so it will take a lot longer to charge than what is considered "normal". FWIW, 1000ah of LFP will run nearly $10k for the batteries by themselves, without that large 3.6kw inverter, so this coach's extra alternator, solar, inverter and battery system is likely a $12k cost to build at wholesale pricing and $15k or so retail pricing. It does help explain the high cost of these vans!
Thanks for your review of the Bolt. This was the exact one I referred to in your last review. Great job bringing out its value and capacity all the way around with electric and storage/appliances etc.
I didn’t like the bed at all because even if you make it as large as possible sleeping/snuggling with your partner looks awful. 😆
I like the layout on the back twin bed model better. Maybe in the future you’ll find one to review. It seems more practical but that’s just from seeing the floor plan. It’s definitely a nice 4 season contender. But Winnebago cheaped out with that low end warranty and no roadside assistance. They need to listen to the market because if they’re not willing to back it with a decent warranty of at least 3 years that shows what they think about what they built. I know that’s their CFO telling them to do that but that’s no way to make this coach a leader in the market. Big negative 👎 on my end as a consumer. Marketing needs to do more testing and interviews. Other than that, another great review Neil!
Firstly Winnebagos sales (goto NIRVC youtube/Newmar purchase for more accurate info) are down 30%, as is a lot of the industry. So the warranty may be a function of this.
I actually don't get the lounge/bed floorplan. I don't need to feel like a 5-year old that can't get comfortable on a seat that is made for adults. The floorplan doesn't work for me. I think for the money it should offer Espar diesel hydronic heating, a large fridge and gold toliet;).
Another thing of note is that from my understanding the latches are prone to wear and as degrade quickly. Also, the dual-pane acrylic windows don't provide that much more insulation and are definitely not worth the hefty upgrade price.
Winnebago has also done mid-cycle upgrades on the 2020.5 Travado which are significant Go to Lichtsinn to see about such and Ron's voice is not in that horrible carny mode for this video.
Hi Neil and y’all:
We are a couple from Brasil with two kids, who will spent few years on the road throughout the world, with a Class B Camper Van.
I’ve been to the last Caravan Salon in Düsseldorf, Germany (considered the largest on the world) and found that the prices for these vehicles there are incredibly cheaper (I mean, unbelievably cheaper!!!) than in the USA.
What is the reason for that?
Keep in mind that their quality is superb!
Also I found very difficult to find a van that offers two fixed beds, one for the couple which is separated from the rest of the van, so the couple have privacy, and the other for the kids.
I would appreciate your comments!
Thanks in advance.
I like it but the price. Pessimists would recommend waiting six months and buying at 50% discounted price.
the price is pretty high. that battery pack isn't cheap!
@@Ultramobility Neither is the mercedes Sprinter with all those features. I guess the list price it is slightly above 100k. The battery is 15k/10kWh. All the other materials and items account for 30k. They get heavy discounts. All this does not justify the asking price of 200.000
That's my bucket list. But what's the purpose of the huge propane tank? Most don't live in Alaska.
Advanced RV does away with propane also.
Imagine the weight you'd gain.
Great video. Travato has been high on my list, especially the National Parks version, so would be cool if you could compare that version to the Boldt. But this extensive overview of the Boldt was really well done. Definitely like the 4x4 feature. May have to save up a little longer and wait for model year two to see if prices come down at all.
very nice rig. the 4x4 would be a dream. Thanks Neil
Great looking vans, however I'd want a full sized permanent bed or Murphy drop down one, and I'd be looking for a full four season motor home with double floor, European style.
Beautiful coach but WAY out of my range, thank goodness NO stick framing, for that price tag, it better not be.
Neal, can you please do a review on the Mercedes Metris Anacapa? They are out of San Fernando. Have you seen it? VERY interesting - it's compact at 129 inch wheel base, has a standard pop top, it fits in the garage and is very modern, has double sliding doors, small 12 volt dometic fridge, 5 gal gray tank, floor to ceiling cabinets, 18 water fresh gallon tank, swivel passenger seat ( didn't show the drivers swivel so not sure ), it has seatbelts for 4 people and sleeps 4, it has great horsepower ( I believe 208?) and wait, PADDLE shifting, plus gets 22+ mpg. I emailed the company, they go for $70k and can easily upgrade to $95 ( of course ). Your video and feedback on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
In addition, a place called Peace Vans up in Seattle is doing something similar with the Metris. They're a large VW Van/Westie repair & renovation firm that's been in business for years, and decided to do a modern take on the Westie with the MB Metris. I'd love to see that get the full Ultramobility review...
I really like like this motorhome
I think fresh water should be a bit more
And if you have so much battery why not have another panel.
I don't see much problem about the table, some compromise is needed to have this floor plan which is really nice.
On the surface this is everything I would ever want in a B Class. Winter ready, modern design, etc. Other than the refrigerator you don't talk a whole lot about fit and finish in this video, but I think I can see the writing on the wall. 1 year coach warranty, especially at that price, is unacceptable. It's really too bad. Winnebago needs to step up a little more.
yeah the fit and finish is par for the course on the boldt with respect to other winnebago class b offerings. i;d have to do a factory tour to really see how it is built.
Neil: Great review on the whole. I like to idea of the power system being able to run the A/C without the generator for a long period. Adds a lot to the stealth factor when in the city also. I think I would be more inclined to buy the BL model with a better front lounge, extra three-point belt, and can open the back door to the ocean (for instance). The solar system has a connector on the side so you can park your rig in the shade and set up some light-weigh panels in the sun and connect them. What adds to the price is the MB package and the Pure system. As I understand the construction used for this rig from other videos, the cabinetry is very well made and the insulation is CVC cut. After reading a lot of the comments I think past experiences with Winnebago has caused some negative bias not applicable to this unit. However, I agree the one-year warranty is scary. I hope you will also get a chance to review the BL model when it becomes available. Thanks.
that 1 year warranty says it all. if the coach is built well then it should stand up and winnebago should be confident giving it a 3 year or more warranty.
I agree with the sleeping arrangement, that layout is terrible, the sleeping layout in the travado is better.
Thank you Neil. It is a nice van no doubt. Having dual wheels in the back allows them to pop their weight capacity way up. For me personally it is 4 feet too long. Anything over 20 feet limits some national Park roads and other access. Additionally, no four-wheel-drive is also a problem. I am also not a big fan of that cloth fabric. At least not at this price point.
Another great review. Nice looking class B but it is expensive. I agree with your assessment of the rear lounge - doesn’t look that comfortable a place to sit and chat.
If you were to recommend a class B with a gas engine, which one would it be? If only they made your Ascent on a gas chassis!
i'll have to do a video on this excellent question!
That would be great!
Hoping you review ab Embassy RV soon.
As usual, a great review. I am pleased to see the safety updates that Mercedes has added. The size is good although it is pushing the limits for my taste. The twin beds might be a problem for me but, oh well. Love the 16 gal. propane tank. All in all i would be inclined to consider the Boldt if I were in the market. I am still enjoying the (very rare it seems) Winnebago Paseo. Please keep the great reviews coming.
maNy thanks for the compliment!
I would like to see this coach as a B+
Hey Neil another great review! But I wonder if Winnebago is starting to price themselves out of the market?? Hey BTW are you going to be at the Hershey show next week? I would love to meet and shake your hand in person to thank you for all the time, effort and expertise that you put into your reviews.
Exelent review, could be a good coach, exelent power sources, for me a basic expectation for any RV,walk way to the bathroom, and have a coffe in the morning,without bothering anybody, btw,couches horroble🚙🚙🙋♂️🇺🇸
that's a great summary Zoltan!
I listened close but I do not think you said....if this has enough solar and battery to run AC overnight? Also would the solar be enough to run AC several nights in a row boondocking?
Absolutely not, maybe just a few hours.
@@arsxs04 thank you for the reply. I am a few years out from buying one. Do you think there will ever be enough improvement in solar and batteries where it would be possible to run AC overnight?
@@stevewoods7299 it's highly unlikely. Nothing drains power from batteries more than AC. Your better off getting a little quiet Honda generator and letting it run all night to power the AC.
Awesome review, although I hate there set up on this coach and the warranty would stop me from considering this coach
Would like Leisure Travel go to a 4WD and 4 season with the electrical system shown here.
great review, my thoughts... it has a lot of evolution :)
need to up their game on interior design if they're playing in the $150k range in my opinion.
@@Ultramobility well... it seems easy to operate...
i mean... only one buttom, that's cool, but the price...
See I actually kinda like this now that you break it down. I was really deterred by the “bed” originally but when you said 81” length bed I was shocked, that’s awesome, but looks bland and awkward still. Ideally I would use that as my bed and the other side as a sleeping section. The bathroom, WOW, HUGE, and EXTRA HANGING CLOSET, that’s a big deal for me. I will have to deduct points for the latch fridge, and I’m not liking the finish of the cabinets, the IROK cabinetry is gorgeous. And I’m not sure which I prefer. I am a performance buyer I would say when it comes to RVs but certain qualities in an rv can be eye sores in my mind. I was most impressed with the LITHIUM battery storage and standard solar panels, huge plus, especially because I want a Ring security system installed in my RV and I will need plenty of power to keep my internet and security system going. Still might have to get and aftermarket energy system depending on the vehicle and features. 7/10 overall score.
Great review, Neil! I think I'll wait until the Promaster gets all the driver safety features because I still like the 59GL better.
Sadly there are currently no safety upgrades on the Promaster roadmap. This is the reason we have had to seriously look at 2019 Mercedes and upcoming 2020 Ford Transit platforms
I enjoyed the review. One small correction. The 2020 Ford Transit is not 4x4. It is AWD. There is a difference. Your prior review on the Panasonic also mentioned the 2020 model was 4x4. I contacted the company owner who admitted it was an AWD Ford, not 4x4. For those of us looking for a 4X4, it’s a big deal. I would have considered the Bolt if it wasn’t diesel.
thank you for the correction!
I think the storage is awesome
Nice review. Short warranty is disappointing, but I think, anyone willing to spend this much money on a coach can afford to buy extended warranty. As for short warranty being a reflection of manufacturer little confidence in their built, this has not been proven. In fact, looking at other Winnebago class B vehicles, their reliability in year 2, 3 and beyond is no better or worth then other players in this space. Their Travato RVs have been very reliable for the customers, Volta electrical system is probably the best engineered solution out there, so goes for Truma heating and hot water system. They use quality components for their refrigerator, A/C and other appliances, so I would not be hesitant to go on the road in this RV.
thanks for sharing your thoughts
Great video review, makes me Wonder why I would not buy a Wonder or Serenity Leisure Way Van with the best lay outs.
Great electrical system. Great bathroom. Not enough fresh water capacity. Is there storage under the beds?
on the passenger side i believe you can lift up the bed top and there's a long narrow bit of storage.
I hope with the one button electric that you can still read meters to see every system (4?) Is charging okay.
Depends on the 4x4 clearance.
I crawled under a 4x4 Boldt and there was nothing else as low as the rear axle. Looked really good to me.
You have done reviews on much cheaper vans that were so much more inviting 👎🏻for this one but 👍🏿 for a fantastic review
I thought you said last time for your upcoming 2020 Winnebago video, it’s going to be all season which it is and 4X4. This model is not 4X4! You’re pretty good at your presentation. Are you or if retired, were you in sales?Thanks for the post.
yeah you're right this particular unit is not 4x4 and they didn't have any on the dealer lot unfortunately. i am semi-retired and do this channel as a passion project. i was in sales in terms of being an entrepreneur but never in rv sales.
Another good review. $150,000+😲
thank you!
Very useful review.
Glad you think so!
I know the Underhood 2nd alternator has been used for awhile on several class B’s but manufacturers feel it’s problematic. As an example pleasure way isn’t sold on them. Did you ask Dean why they don’t use them instead of the noisy generator? Intuitively the 2nd alternator would seem the way to go.
mercedes frowns on idling the engine which is what the second alternator encourages.
I spoke to Dean at length about AC powered by lithium systems a couple weeks ago. He just doesn't want to support full up lithium in the field, so PW is going to stick with the generator powered AC approach.
Robin B thanks for update. If that’s the case then in my opinion PW better find a way to insulate the horrible sound to the inside of the coach. The current level of noise coupled with the loud AC makes it unbearable.
Excellent video! 👍👍👍!!! Because it is a four-season coach with a great electrical system, I could remove one long bench and put in a Bitcoin server instead. Then I can do trading and make some money on the road. At the same time, I can enjoy the RV lifestyle. However, the one year warranty turns me off.
i love the bit coin server comment so much i can't even tell you...
Hello there good day ..What about the Coachmen Beyond it has almost the same layout and Lithium as well do you have any comments?? Also are Wheels on the Boldt Alloy ?? Or are they as always Steel with covers on them ?? I noticed that the Beyond has alloy and its less money I really don’t get it how they price these vehicles.. Thank you very much and great videos
Are there outfitters who could turn the pleasure way into a 4 season van?
OVERPRICED!! Besides the Lithium the quality is not there. I think I would like the BL floor plan. Hope you review soon.
i will definitely look for a bl to review for you!
Idk if its the type of vans that you review, but do you think youll do one on the storyteller overland mode van? 😬
Good review! Don't like the layout for sure when puttiing two pieces into one Z-shape bed...what was on the designer's mind ?
Good question!
Neil, Thanks for your videos. I find them so helpful. I am considering a purchase of a 2020 Pleasure-Way Ascent v. the Boldt KL. I like the Pure 3, insulation (we live in MA) and compressor refrigerator over PW's Eco-Ion and 3-way refrigerator but is it worth all the quality issues we might have and out of pocket cost after the warranty is over? What decision would you make? Thanks in advance.
pleasureway hands down
Are they out of their mind on their price!!
Maybe.
Plateau FL for example on that Mercedes platform lacks the huge Volta lithium battery yet actual sell price is much higher
@@robinb8132 They are all overpriced.
I like the exterior of the Wayfarer the best but all the interior designs are way way too cramped in all the class Bs including the Boldt
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I like the Winnebago brand but this will not be on my list. The ergonomics is quite clunky.
I like the heated/insulated tanks.
I've seen better bathroom setup. A wet bath is not for us.
The warranty is not ideal. For the price, it should include a 3 year warranty. An option for 5 would be good too.
I like the Mercedes-Benz platform.
For sure, my wife will look at this and will keep on walking.
Thank you for doing what you're doing, man.
OK now why wouldn't they make the to beds even and move that closet on the other end of the passenger side bed.....this looks crazy and your sleeping in the kitchen and living room.....at $150,000 this unit should be perfect and its not even close sorry
thank you for your thoughts. i know that winnebago is reading comments!