The Complications of Change in Gaza
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- Norman Roule is a geopolitical and energy consultant who served for 34 years in the Central Intelligence Agency, managing numerous programs relating to Iran and the Middle East. As NIM-I at ODNI, he was responsible for all aspects of national intelligence policy related to Iran, including IC engagement with senior policymakers in the National Security Council and the Department of State.
We need a peace now movement in the Palestinian population. Israel has a peace now population.
Where??
I wouldn’t hold my breath for that “peaceful movement” within Palestinians. They are true disciples of their prophet who was a warmonger. Their mindset is medieval to the bone and are not truly interested in nation building. I hope Trumps proposal or something like it is created. The two state solution is a delusion which would only destroy Israel.
In other words, the current solutions, outside of President Trump, are the same solutions as have been discussed since 1948, ie there is no solution. President Trump’s ideas are a great starting point for discussion.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Are you kidding me ? Removing the Gazan population has been what the extremist factions in Israel; have wanted since the founding of Israel ! This is a old solution cloaked in the lie of being a ''out of the box thinking'' solution and its easy to see it for what it is !This is deception at its best. Its a same old solution that has been tried time and time again, it is the very reason why there is conflict in the region to begin with, it all began when Christian and Muslim Palestinians were forcibly removed from cities town and villages and forced to march into Gaza and West Bank at gun point and ever since they and the Israelis have been in a constant state of war. If Israel was really worried about preventing another Oct 7 like attack they would go to the root cause of what is causing Palestinians to revolt every few years which the occupation of West Bank and blockade of the strip, they have no prospect of a better future in both places they are oppressed and treated like literal prisoners in the very territory that all countries apart from a handful recognize as sovereign Palestinian territory that is under occupation by Israel they cant even go from one city to the other without going thru check points if you know how they set up the West Bank you know what this life would be like ! No one is asking Israel to not exist, but Palestinians number in the millions in both territory and they will never go anywhere and the longer Israel delays the inevitable the harder it will be to pull out like they did in Gaza in 2005. This idea that if given control of West Bank that Israel would be attacked is a blatant lie, it is the occupation that causes the terrorism and attacks. Why is it that if people in other parts of the world were living the way Palestinians are living having to endure the humiliation oppression inhumane check points treated as animals being stateless you would be the first to call it for what it is which is inhumane treatment and apartheid but because its Israel somehow you turn a blind eye to the way Israelis treat them ?
If there is one side that is in the wrong it is the Israelis who never even tried to create their state in a way in which they would assimilate with the people that were already there they wanted a Jewish majority state and only allowed a small fraction of the Christians and Muslims to remain in Israel proper in order to use them as cheap labor and the fact that the international community at the time was started to pressure Israel to stop its forced displacement of the Palestinians otherwise they would have continued. There is no way that anyone with half a brain cell functioning can use religion as justification to own that land at the cost of making another people destitute dispossessed and refugee in their own land no matter how hard you try and spin it. Forcible displacement, The very thing that has caused this region to be in a perpetual state of conflict is not something that should be done again, further displacing a people as if Israel had sovereign control of the Gaza strip is preposterous ! It is the same thing as saying Gazans will displace the Israelis neither have the right to displace each other forcibly it is a crime against humanity and given that Israel's international reputation is severely damaged this would only put a final nail in the coffin of its reputation ! On top of the fact that Gazans have already been crystal clear that they will not go anywhere, they were born there and they will stay there and if the past 15 month hasn't made it clear to anyone yet they are willing to die to defend what is theirs then you are living in some kind of delusion ! Anyone who supports this forced displacement and call themselves pro Israel are quite ignorant and naive if you truly were pro Israel you would not support the crime of ethnic cleansing it is not in Israel's advantage and for those who think it is justifiable for security reasons then you clearly haven't got a clue about what you are talking about because there is no such thing in 2025 as one country having the right to remove 2.5 million people from a territory for national security purposes. Its not like Gazans were a existential threat to the state of Israel, and even if they had the kinds of weapons Israel has such as tanks armored vehicles missiles air force and all the killing instruments the US provides to Israel, which only then one could say they could truly pose a threat to the existence of Israel, all Israel would have to do if they were attacked by this hypothetical conventional military is to nuke the strip ! It boggles the mind that in 2025 some are entertaining the idea of ethnic cleansing, clearly you haven't thought about this subject in any great dept and the implications it would have. Do not be trying to spin the story and pretend that Gazans are willing to voluntarily leave because they are not and never will be.
Trump is a whor* of Israel and will do anything and everything for Israel.
Insanity is subsidizing and shielding an occupation that oppresses and brutalizes an indigenous population for decades-then compounding it with a mass slaughter campaign, followed by proposals to ethnically cleanse the survivors.
Mr Roule is an intelligent voice of reason
The Palestinians voted with their feet for no state. They have been on this mistaken road for 78 years, they’re exhausted, traumatized and sick of watching their cousins in Israel become doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs. Trump is right about the fact that Gaza must be opened up and the Palestinians should be allowed to move to Egypt, Jordan, just like they should have been allowed 1948. Given what they need is democracy and Israel is the only democracy, the answer is obvious.
What rock have you been living under? This is simply not an educated comment at all and shows your ignorance. The apartheid entity have been slaughtering Palestinian doctors, lawyers, engineers, students and children. They’re not cousins or related in any way because the iIIegal settlers are European and have no Semitic blood in their body. They’re an invading military project of the colonial regimes.
God bless President Trump. He is a genius, a brave man willing to think outside the box.
He is proposing committing a ward crime against humanity and Palestinians.
@@sarashepard7504 How's so?
There has been no failure of creating a Palestine state; in fact, there are two of them. One is called Jordan and the other Gaza.
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Palestine will finally be free as Israel is self-imploding.
@@soniamaroc247 from Hamas
Somebody talking about Solution here.. Instead of creating more trouble for the peoples.
Any US diddling in Israeli land deals brings apocalyptic horror back to the US.. Historical Fact.. 😢
Any thoughts on stopping Israel from stealing land in the West Bank ?
The land you call "West Bank" has been known as such since 1960s. Before that, for thousands of years, it was called Judea and Samaria.
To make it simple for you...Jews come from Judea. Arabs comes from Arabia.
There is no such name like West bank back then..1960's Only Judia and Samaria. Israel
@@agkissel to make it simpler for you most of the Jews came from Europe and have stolen the land
Oslo, Camp David 1, Camp David 2... NONE of them included FULL SOVEREIGNTY for Palestinians. It's not fair to blame Palestinians for not accepting "Indian Reservations" as a permanent solution.
Mr. Roule, thank you for your invaluable service and insights.
Trump's proposal will benefit everyone in the region.
nothing wrong with tepee living !
A different dynamic is stop trying to guarantee only the security of Israel by giving the Palestinians anything but short of a state. The Palestinians are very much educated and capable of changing the narrative that is being played against them. Israel is only afraid of the Palestinians reaching milestones were the whole world would realise how resilient they are and will pull the carpet underneath the Israelis and show everyone how far they be part of the finer communities for acceding any and all expectations were the true colors of Israel will become obvious and they wouldn’t be able to continue their narrative about being the victims rather than the oppressors
L et's be honest: the main problem is not palestinian corruption , its all a hipoctacy. Stop lying . The main problem is that the all Arab countries want only one result: FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA. YOU have prove of this every day of this line of thinking in all muslim countries, even in all Western countries with big Muslim population.
I hope you are not so naive and not so stupid. And do not pretend that you do not understand that.
You have fed into the western media propaganda machine
As the this gentleman says the true , should help to create a two state solution as to biuld a tunel as underground road between Gaza and West Bank road to connect two part and make this as Palestinian state and have peace for everybody.
That’s not peace. You’re avoiding the obvious barbaric apartheid occupation and the fact that it’s not the land of the invading settlers. Two state solution was a trap for the indigenous. It gives 75% of the Iand to the military project. It’s was always a scheme and a dishonest way to steal the Land from the Palestinians.
Most probably the conflicting parties are brought to negotiating table.In the case of Palestinian people why Israel is trying to normalizing its relationship with Arabs whom it doesn't have in conflict instead of Palestinians whom it has dispute.
The real conflict is not about the land. It's about Muslims' desire to dominate Middle East. Palestinians are just a toolk to achieve their goals.
Has an ASEAN-style organization work for the french mandate of Palestine countries( Lebanon,Syria, northern Iraq ) and the briish mandate of Palestine ( Israel, Gaza, West bank, Jordan, southern Iraq and Iran) work?
It seems norm wants everyone to think it’s complicated. It just can’t be as simple and easy as dismantle the settler colonial apartheid occupation and besiegement of millions of indigenous people and let them thrive and live in peace on their land.
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It seems like you want everyone to think it’s simple and that in itself is laughable 😂
@@austin19021 Oh, yeah, only YOU know complexity, right?
It's complicated by lies.
That alone is not complicated, is it?
Israel isn't leaving though. Give the Palestinians a choice to leave and see what happens. What's wrong with that?
@@cindiheaton1048 Just give Israelis a chance to leave first.
What's wrong with that?
Go to the Jewish Autonomous Region
You knew about that, right? Other side of Asia? Lots of peaceful Jews you never hear about because they don't kill their neighbors every day and call it "security"
Stay sure did grow a under ground subways. Yes they built against there own good.
Well done nterview!
What an ignorant statement!
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He's old hahahahaha