THOR and the Axe-Hammer
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- The hammer of Thor the thunder god was called Mjölnir. His cult and his hammer are derived from a much older axe-god cult. When the Romans saw the hammer/axe wielding god worshipped by Germanic peoples such as the Suebi, they thought it was Hercules with his club.
3000 year old Rock carvings from Sweden depict a prominent axe wielding figure which is probably Thunaraz, the proto-Germanic Thor.
Even after Christianisation, the Anglo-Saxons still associated Thor, whom they called Thunor with an axe and a Viking era picture stone in Sweden depicts Thor with a club.
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In the Baltic tradition he is know as Perkunas/Perkons.
And is represented by axe.
Perkele in Finland, and wielding an axe. Axe pendants were widely used in lower parts of Finland and have been found in archeological excavations here too. Interesting how Scandinavians and Germanics in general mostly associated their Thunder God with a Hammer while Finns, Balts and Slavs associated theirs
with Axe.
@@kv3515 I think the axe was earlier.
@@gcanaday1 Yup, seems so.
Perun in Slavic tradition.
The germanic tribes who worked for the Romans wore little Hercules club pendants, as it reminded them of thunor/thor. Still my favorite god in germanic heathenry.
There is a small museum in the Essex town of Saffron Walden that has a small section on the vikings/saxons. There is in the centre of the display, a hammer pendant thought to have originated from the 9th century. Out of all the hammer pendants I've seen, something about that specific one really fascinates me. The last time I visited, I was stood admiring it for almost an hour.
That is how I felt about and acted when I saw the helmet in the Sutton Hoo museum. The details on it just keep on popping out and the fact that it should represent the face of Odin himself had me in awe.
Perun the Slavic version of Thor also uses an axe
I always thought the swastika represented the seasonal positions of ursa major.
Interesting thought. Well, a great many things in our culture exist for more than one reason. Only simpletons believe that everything happens only for one single reason.
@Joshua Morgan hakenkreuz is German not English.
For you it should be hooked-cross
@@dietserijck8911 inderdaad maar nu zelfs de rune onder vuur ligt is het woord hakenkruis zo besmeurd dat het niet meer te gebruiken is.
@@joejacquesschulz8514 yeah you should really check it out on images. It's quite something else. Ursus means bear, the cyclic nature of the swastika also reminded of the norse pagan view on reincarnation. I.e. forebears
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I suspect Hercules might actually be a Greco-Roman version of some of the attributes of Thor; many thunder god/club wielding gods of European origin seem to have a variation of "-er/or/ar " in their names: Thor/Thunor/Donner, Perun/Perkunnas, Taran/Tarannis. Perhaps Hercules fits this linguistic root as well?
While the aspects of his character might share an origin with thor, the name Hercules comes from the Greek name Heracles. Same person and story more or less but the name specifically comes from Hera, Zeus' wife who often hated the children Zeus had with other women, going so far as killing several of them. So this son of Zeus was named after Hera as a way of appeasing her and hopefully saving his life.
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Love the videos, have you covered the origins of red hair?
Someone sold their child's soul before they where born...
there where hammer or axe amulets found in Anglo Saxon graves in gilton kent
very early thunor's hammers I think
btw the name of the god from "Angeln und Sachsen" is "E Li" i think he is the god from all - E sako ta=E the Saxon there. or - E miske=E the mighty - u can read books from Lord Kingsborough and look what he write, but translate it with oldgerman than u can read all. a good link "die-heimatseite.blogspot.de/p/erhard-landmann-artikel.html" scroll down to "Landmann-Artikel in Englisch" the Speech called modern "oldgerman" or in old "theodisk".
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bEAUTIFUL ARTIFACTS. pERHAPS SOME VIKINGS WERE DYSLEXIC. tHANK U gARE.
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The tribe known as the Batavieren, or in latin ''Batavii'', my tribe. We worship Wodan or as the Romans call him, Hercules Magusanus, and even later Thor. I still live with pride in the same Batavian lands, as my kin and family have been for ages. may the all father bless us with many ages more.
What is the name of the beginning music of video? is amazing.
Do you think there might be some relation with thunor and the celtic club swinging god daghda?
@@volkishelf1088 toirneach is the Irish for thunder
Is the Skane mjolnir hallow, or is it a solid piece if you know?
The slavs had a very cool axe pendant as well.
Indeed
I received my Thor's axe from Mimirs Brunnr. Hand-crafted, it is exquisite.
@Mitch Unfortunately, Mimirs Brunnr had to suspend his shop because paypal shut down his account. Try Grimfrost dot com.
Mjölnir = russ. молния, molniya = lightning.
Makes sense, the Swedish tribe from Roslagen (the Rus' people) are the ancestors of modern Russians, and some other Eastern Europeans
Varangian Rus Oh? That’s odd, I’ve heard a lot of people talking about the Rus from Sweden, how do you know they didn’t exist? Can I read about that somewhere. As for the Mjölnir bit, ‘mjölnir’ and ‘molniya’ are both derived from their ancestor language Porto-Indo-European as opposed to have been borrowed from one another. There are cognate words in other language families too. Also consider the English word ‘mell’ meaning ‘hammer’, though this is mainly used in far north of England where I’m from
Varangian Rus I actually can’t remember where I first read about it. But I do remember reading that the Swedes are called something like Ruotsi in Finland
@@BrandydocMeriabuck Yes ruotsi in finnish. Ros or Rus in old swedish is land near coast. We still have it in Roslagen which means the people who have to outfit a ship near the coast.
I find a lot of the anglo saxon fibulas resemble either axes or hammers.
I love your videos, but I wish the music wasn't so loud. It’s hard to focus on your voice through the sound
thanks for the feedback
Do you think hat the Sutton Hoo axe hammer was symbolic of Thunnor’s hammer?
Hail Thor!
Great! I didn't hear about axe as Thor's weapon before.
That multiplicity of weapons that thunder god wields is similar to Slavic Perun.
You can watch description here: th-cam.com/video/zK7P9JRfYeU/w-d-xo.html
1:23 - 2:32, there is an English subtitle available.
It is also worth noting that the name of Thor's hammer - Mjǫllnir correlates with Proto-Slavic word *mъldni (“lightning”).
Curious if the conflation of sun and hammer in the symbology of the swastika is related to the fact that ancient bronze axes, which the hammer likely/may have evolved form, would have shimmered or scintillated like the sun?
Recently discovered runic inscription seems to indicate the swastika was associated with odin not thor
Slavic god "Perun" whose name means thunder is the slavic axe-wielding god of thunder. Could be a continuation of the old axe-cult deity from Sweden you mentioned.
I think both derive from a storm god of the corded ware people
@@Survivethejive Most likely predates the corded ware culture too,Teshub the thunder god is depicted wielding an axe and he too fights the serpent,so its probably only a continuation of a much earlier proto-IE cult
So does Thor's hammer rivals the cross
as a pendant yes, but the symbol is older
The Name Thor is said to origin from the word "thunder", old norse "thuNDR". In the Vedic mythology of India there is the good Indra (INDRa). A good that rides a war-charriot and has a weapon that can throw lightnings and the colour of his hair is red. Yes, the INDOgermanic tribes have travelled long distances.
If i am not wrong...The Rig Vedas state that Thor/Indra was blonde haired god. The word used to describe his hair and beard in Sanskrit is Yellow. But yes you are right. The rig Vedas state that he rode a chariot and on his chariot rode three minions, the same as Thor of Viking culture who i also think had three minions ride with him. The only difference i can see between Indra and Thor is that the Vedic version did not have a hammer, but carried a bolt of lightning, that he used to scatter his enemies. Unfortunately i cannot find a picture of Indra that is accurate as this great vedic deity has been corrupted by Hinduism and now he is portrayed as an elephant rider. My assumption would be that Indra would be similar to Thor in appearance minus the hammer.
Yeah, where I'm from in England many of us actually still pronounce it as Thorsday. Although, the connotation with Thor is lost for obvious reasons
ealsatan, in Sweden it is still obvious that it is the day of Thor. In Swedish Thor is Tor and Thursday is Torsdag.
Yeah. A lot of people over here probably know that's what it means, but overall the connotation is lost. It's quite sad really, the days of the week are one of the most obvious remnants of a history long past. By the way, I realise it was probably a typo but my name doesn't say satan hahaha
In Sweden Asatru is growing, what about in England?
Part of me suspects that the weapons eveolved as the gods do. As if they grow with us... like okay...
Donar in germany has an axe, but thor in the viking age wields an hammer. Maybe the tales occur alongside mankind, and we are told by skalds or those who experienced it with the gods?
it doesn't matter if it is an axe or hammer - the point is it represents manly strength and the power of the storm
I think that the fact that his weapon (be it an axe, a club or a hammer) came back to him when he threw it is proof that our pagan ancestors understood gravity pretty well. It is commonly thought that Thor's hammer is thrown horizontally, and comes back "magically". I actually think Thor threw his hammer in the air and caught it.
Axes, clubs and hammers are all weapons that are heavy top-light bottom, and when you drop or throw this kind of weapon, the heavy top drops first. Swords wouldn't usually do this because their weight is pretty well distributed.
This people built ships and explored the world, they fought anyone with small numbers, they made weapons equal to everyone at the time, they travelled between the Caspian sea and North America, learning the language and culture. Why do you think they where idiots? They where superior to most people today, we rely on a few clever people. In those days every woman and man was skilled in so many things. We are the idiots.
Your comment is suspiciously close to some dumb video Varg made, though it makes even less sense than when he said it.
First time I hear somebody on TH-cam state that the original hammer was a club. Yet I have read that once in the comments of a video clip... after I'd written that myself.
Music is really loud compared to your voice in this video
thanks. I appreciate people saying this every couple of days for the last 5 years
@@Survivethejive doesn't stop being true.
Tor is januar fool moon.
The cooldest frozen time in winter.
Ritual for januar woods and axe .
Tir Tor Tar.Torino Durmitor Tarski zaliv Torovo Tork Tirol Tir na n og.(ireland)=man from format algo Faun.
from forest also faun.
Is there any connection between Shango and Thor? It is interesting that both are thunder gods. I'm not familiar with any Shango stories and it is very easy to jump to conclusions trying to simply/make sense of history and religion.
No historic connection at all, but perhaps a metaphysical connection
In context that line about thunor seems to be talking about thunder the phenomenon, and not Thunder the god.
"The Pater Noster shoots the devil with welling (boiling) arrows, and the lightning burns and tokens (marks) him, and the rain over him sheds, and the mist dwells (misleads) him, and the thunder thrashes him with the fiery axe, and drive him to the iron chain wherein his father dwells, Satan and Sathiel." archive.org/details/dialogueofsalomo00kembuoft/page/148
that is a strange thing to say though isn't it? thunder strikes the devil with a fiery axe? it is likely due to the association of thunder and an axe
*Disturbing "music"!*
For all his supposed strength, he was washed away by the blood of Christ. Good riddance.
He is still here worshipped by thousands. Even Christ was only accepted under the false premise that he was a Germanic warrior like Thor - if you read earl English Christian poetry you will learn that the Christ they accepted was essentially like one of their other gods not the one you know.
@@monolith94 fuck off dick head preach your bullshit somewhere else!
The blood of a liar.