Totally agree with you mate, in fact, i rarely watch the big channels, much prefer to watch people at a similar level to myself, riding places i've ridden or wish to ride. It's all about the memories and the laughs along the way for me, admittedly i do try and make it a bit more interesting and entertaining so others can watch, i certainly don't class myself as a good rider, i just enjoy riding, that should be the only real criteria, not are you good enough. Fantastic video mate 👍
Thanks mate. For me, it really comes down to how much fun and how much passion comes across, regardless of riding skills. When you get videos of a group of mates just messing around, taking the mickey out of each other, etc., it reminds me of what I love about mountain biking.
Completely agree!… I prefer watching the less polished, more grass roots.. every-day riders, that make mistakes, and learn from them. The majority of us, can relate too!
That’s my take too, although I do watch pro’s videos too; love Brendan Fairclough’s videos for instance (although having met, chatted and had beers with him on occasion, it’s possibly in that example because he’s a genuinely lovely bloke)
Couldn't agree more with you. I'm far more likely to watch a video by you or one of your contemporaries than anything else as it's more relatable. I'm a mid-40s dad with a £350 bike from Halfords, Red Bull are never going to be knocking at the door with a contract offer. I've watched plenty of your videos and similar ones of others', getting ideas of local places to ride, skills I need learn & kit I need to buy. In fact, I think it was stumbling across one of your Delamere videos that made me realise I could use the bike for more than just family bike rides. Keep doing what you're doing.
Thanks mate and yeah, the relatable element really is key. Great to hear that it was possibly one of my videos that motivated you, that's made my day 👍
Well said mate! As somebody that has only been riding a couple of years I like watching smaller channels as often its a more realistic goal for where I want to be as a rider or at least if I think its somewhere I could give a go without dying!!! I certainly wouldn’t watch youtube if it were only pros! 👍🤙
There is a very small percentage of people who ride like pros. In general, we are all in your bracket of rider which means we relate to how you ride. We rely on your POV. You're giving us the green light to ride trails that are out there and giving us the confidence to think they are within our reach. I've watched you for a while now and I can relate to you, so I look to find the same kind of trails. Keep up the brilliant channel and do what you love, it comes across in waves and we all want to see more and more. Nice one Jason.
Don’t sell yourself short, from watching your channel, you are a very skilled rider, I am over 10 years older than you and can not ride at your level but enjoy what I can ride. This looked like a great trail, I enjoy your channel, form the U.S. 🤠
Thanks, really appreciate that. These trails were a recent find (the Sunglasses video, not that anyone could tell....) and are fantastic although that muddy one towards the end was a bit terrifying 😀. I really do think I am an average rider; I've had the good luck to ride with a lot of people over the years and can safely say that many have been far better than me (annoyingly 😂). Not sure many enjoyed themselves any more than I do though!
Saw that video as well and stung me as well. I often never even post things because I'm afraid of being ridiculed. While often when I'm on the bike - riding like an average rider - I wish I could share the joy by showing it. Happy to see your piece on it!
Sorry to hear that you are reluctant to post, some people (commenters) are just morons and my guess is that half the time, they don't even ride themselves and post just to be controversial. I quite enjoy getting negative comments; I love responding to them 😃
As a small channel myself I was pretty disappointed in what the Pinkbike guys said, not everyone can be a pro but I can tell you now, I have a raced bikes for 35 years and in my prime would wipe the floor with those guys, hell i'd probably even destroy them now in my 50s. To actually say that us lesser riders shouldn't post videos was a very bad choice of words when most people are probably better than them, I've bumbled my way down many tracks and trails but nailed many many more. Keep up the good work everyone. Great video, I just subscribed .
Thanks mate, appreciate it; subbed to you too. It’s their arrogance and seeming misunderstanding of what TH-cam is that gets me. If they’d have just said that they weren’t interested in watching videos by average riders then that’s fine, I know a lot of people feel and do that. Maybe it was said to stir up a controversy and discussion but I would say it’s backfired and doesn’t reflect well on the organisation they work for and represent. I imagine they are loving all this attention…
Brilliantly well said - and I loved it! Loved the trails and loved the fact you made it feel like another accessible ride and not a if you can't do the crazy stuff go home! Great attitude!
Thanks mate, really appreciate it. Location I filmed this one at is one I sadly can't share but it's really one of those that caters for all levels, simply a fun place 👍
@@brassblastuk Yeah, it'd be quite the round trip for you 🤣 Hoping to get up to Scotland to ride soon, a mate recently moved up to Lanarkshire and has already found a ton of decent stuff he insists on showing me 👍
It was your xc video from Llangollen that inspired me to get the bike out again. So I of course I enjoyed the content. If you were not allowed to post I may not have been inspired. It also made me watch other mtb TH-cam content. If it were not for your content my life style would not be as it is now.
Thanks mate, really appreciate that. It does go to show that there's a place for all of us on TH-cam, because not everyone wants to watch amazing riders doing amazing things in amazing places (well, not all the time anyway) 👍
Thanks mate. I really am an average rider though, I wouldn't ever refer to myself as good. I'm happy with my lot though and absolutely love riding, which is the important thing 👍
Epic video mate and you put the point across perfectly in my book, what is about some people who like to think they’re better than others, I got into mountain biking as a means of carrying on the 35kg I lost and getting fitter, the video making for me is just a side bar to that, I am certainly not a good rider or video maker but it’s not what this is all about, in my book TH-cam is just a way of reaching out to others and showcasing the different places in which mountain biking is open to, keep up the with the great videos mate and stuff those people 🤘👊
Thanks mate, appreciate it. It’s a controversial topic for sure, and one I have kind of seen hinted at before on MTB forums but by regular people rather than public working for the organisations. I would bet that no professional (or even ‘good’) rider feels the same. I know for instance that Brendan Fairclough was a huge fan of Dave Jenvey’s channel
Thanks mate. I kind of miss the lockdown days and the silly videos where I just rode around talking rubbish, hence why I've been occasionally doing something similar recently. Was a strange time though from the perspective of making MTB videos, because to all intents and purposes, the riding was the least notable element of the videos. Strangely, (especially with the second lockdown in '21|), the videos took a lot more effort than ones where you can get out riding somewhere half decent.
Interesting video topoic with added great riding and comedy thrown in..... sign me up 😎 Pink bike forgets....There's a massive army of us average (which is a scale in itself) riders simply recording ourselves because its a hobby. I know whose side im on come the revolution 💪. All about fun and enjoying yourself etc 🤣🤣
I think that's the crux of it, they forgot what people want to watch and why people want to upload their videos - it't not to show off, just to record and share their passion and hope that others may want to see it too 👍
You just keep doing what your doing! It entertains me and I’m an average 55 year old who rides similar stuff to you! For me over the pond the standout guys who always come across as cracking blokes with no egos but are fantastic riders are dangerous Dave, nick vancan and Dale Stone, just so envious of there trail network! (Maybe one day). Also I really enjoy your footage and obvious love of hardtail riding, for me there’s not enough of this on both sides of the pond.
Thanks mate, no plans to change any time soon (although I guess I don't stick to one type of video really, flipping between silly reviews, rants and riding). Agree with you about the channels you mention, you can just tell that they are doing what they love and yeah, the stuff they ride looks incredible (proper scary though...). As for hardtails, they're just great; can't understand why everyone doesn't have one (even if as a second bike) 😂
Thanks mate. Footage is definitely better than that in my Dyfi videos because I actually managed to get the camera angle correct. I blame having to wear a full face helmet at Dyfi, because I couldn't glance down and see the camera 😂
I don't listen to the PinkBike podcast or watch their videos for this very reason. When I saw Ryan's video I went and listened to the podcast and was pretty shocked they said that out loud even though we all know it's what they think. Been toying with the idea of making a "reaction" video myself - but you've said it all. Nice one. First time I've stumbled on your channel too and I think you're a pretty decent rider mate.
Thanks mate. I too don't usually pay much attention to Pinkbike, other than watching the content that Cathro is involved in, so only became aware of this through Ryan's video and then looked into it. You're right that it's probably just their personal opinion (and probably that of others too) but to voice it on such a public platform is not wise, even if it was supposed to be tongue in cheek, as some commenters have said. I say go with making a video on it too, it's a subject worth discussing and maybe expanding on. Probably best to not mention Barelli's 'happiness' though, or we could start up a rumour 😂
Great mate, cheers, it's just so nice to see us older ones having a go, but believe me it's a waste of time, and the only thing is bigger channels don't give a S... about us smaller channels, remember they are paid to work on there channels, it's a job for them 😉 for us working in real jobs we have the fun 😀 wether started out on a bike or pro's we are all the same, funny thing I came across you today as I am getting back into biking In the woods, god I forgot what great fun it is, good luck with your channel 😀 laters Steve
Thanks mate, it’s all about the fun for sure, even the making of the videos (although it’s the riding that’s the real passion). To be honest, I wouldn’t want to be in the position of having a channel so large that it was the main income as if it was a job, it and to an extent the riding would become a chore. Great to hear you are out riding in the woods again, best thing ever isn’t it 👍
@Stopadoodledoo thanks mate 👍 I may film a very short story on my other channel, maybe the bit of me falling off 🤣🤣 in all this mud 😀 Happy Christmas 🎄 😀 laters
Thanks for another great video, I enjoy watching your content. I'm confident that TH-cam are more than happy for you to use their platform to upload your content. Can someone link me to the original post?
Thanks mate, no chance of me giving up because I am average 😂 It was Pinkbike Podcast 198, comes up straight away if you search for Pinkbike Podcast, obviously searched a lot!!
I enjoy watching your videos as it's different! I'm in my 40s, love MTB (though I don't make enough time for it lately) and am probably an average rider! You're also fairly local to me, so I try to guess where you are on the vids in an attempt to avoid wasting precious riding time on shite trails!! 😂
Thanks mate, I do try to make them a bit different although not sure that's always a good thing 😂 I'd love to know how often you guess correctly with the locations. Contrary to what some irate commenters say, I'd like to think that I keep where I'm riding quite well hidden unless people already know the area 👍
@Stopadoodledoo Yeh it's not very often to be honest and that's what frustrates me! 🤣 But don't worry, I do get why! 👍🏼 But on topic... if you're still enjoying it then keep doing it! TH-cam would be nothing without the variety of choices!
It's always good therapy to have a rant mate 😂 I've been telling you guys to have a trip down this way for ages; so much amazing riding that's very different to your usual stuff but I know you'd love it 👍 (It's even better than Whitbarrow Scar 😂😂😂)
We're all here for the grumbling and the crashes 🤣 Interestingly enough, my absolute favourite channel is BC POV, just an average guy who is really good at telling stories us about his adventures!
Sorry, no crashes in this one; must try harder 😂 I do think that the channels where the videos are telling a story are the more interesting ones, regardless of rider skills. I don't tend to watch videos for the riding alone, if that makes sense.
Totally agree with you. How good a rider, or video are is subjective. I'd rather watch a video of a rider who is closer to my level than somebody who has skills I'll never have. Watching your videos gives me ideas of places to ride and also an idea of how difficult or easy it is and therefore some idea of if I'd be able to tackle it ( Borrowdale Bash and Helvelin are on my to do list )... I'm not the best rider but your channel and a couple of others ( Trailfinder and Lakedistrict rider ) inspired me to upgrade my aging and quite frankly shite Gopro Hero 3 to something much better ( Insta 360 X3 ). I've now started recording my rides and uploading them to TH-cam again, like I said I'm not the best rider but hopefully people watch my video's and think, that looks fun and something I could ride.. I'm not interested in having a huge channel or making money out of the video's, not that's likely to happen with 12 subscribers 🤣. Keep doing what your doing, your video's are entertaining and fun. On a side note, the wife has just stuck her head in the room, FFS are you watching bloody mountain bike video's again 🤣🤣🤣
Absolutely, it's about what people find to be entertaining and informative that is key, and not everyone wants to watch really good riders doing things that may be unachievable. I've not really got up the Lakes much recently; well, I did but I forgot my chest harness so was unable to film (I did Garburn on my P7 - it was brutal on a hardtail 😂). The thing with TH-cam and getting high views, subs, etc., is that mountain biking is possibly one of the worst things you can choose as a video subject as it's so niche; I swear that a channel about how to sellotape dust covers for books in a way that doesn't show would do better 😂 As for the wife and her comment, tell her that it wasn't mountain biking per se, but some grumpy old sod having a moan, who just happened to be on a mountain bike 😂
Thanks mate, trails at this place are so much fun (although that second to last one really was ridiculously slippy 😂). When I was thinking of which Pro seems happiest, Barelli sprang to mind instantly 😂
If you’re average then I’m a velocipede. You’re right about this though, only a very small percentage of bikers can do the ‘big’ stuff, it’s good to watch but completely unrealistic to many of us, more mature riders. As long as we’re smiling, leave us alone! As usual, great post, even though you got stuck in a rut!!!🤣🤣💪💪👍
Nah mate, I have been lucky enough to ride with people who are good and know my level, which I am happy with. Too old now to learn or dare to do jumps and crap like that, never really wanted to anyway 😀 Less of the Mickey taking too, or I’ll trick you into going to Longridge again 🤣
Well said, for a huge majority of folk that watch TH-cam, they are looking for either unbiased reviews on products, researching new trails, that hidden line or they want to be a content creator and just want to see how others do it. What said in that podcast was a bike snob attitude and was out of order. Keep creating your content and enjoy the trails regardless of skill.
I do think that they never gave enough thought to how their comments would be perceived. A couple of other commenters have expressed that it was possibly tongue in cheek or that it’s been perceived incorrectly but at the end of the day, there seems to be a fair few people who are put out by it and not just those of us who upload to TH-cam. TH-cam is for everyone, it gives us average people a platform to share our content (good and bad) and a lot of people do interact with the thousands of small channels. For me, smaller channels with average riders portrays the fun of mountain biking more, it’s more relatable than watching the pros doing their stuff. It doesn’t detract from the pros channels, etc. Thanks for commenting, really appreciate it 👍
I’m an average rider and below average content creator and found this highly entertaining the long well made: loved the third person content, made a great edit!!
Thanks mate. I do try to put 3rd person, etc., into the videos as it breaks it up a bit, moves away from pure POV. Not always possible though, especially when out with others, as it's a bit of a faff at times 👍
@@MindfulTrailBiker It's harder to justify when you're out with a group who don't film, as they just see it as pointless faff (which in all honesty it probably is 🤣). When I ride with Twelve and co, I know they're thinking "what's that bellend up to now" 🤣
I totally agree with you, pal.....that was very average! I particularly enjoyed the 'sick' trench stoppie 🤟🏽 Joking aside, skill levels are subjective and besides, who wants to watch polished and precise expert content all the time. It's good to be wowed by pros with big budget productions...but it's also good to have content that we can relate to. You do a great job of creating relateable and amusing content. So much so that I have subscribed to your channel. Stay average! 👍🏼
Thanks mate. I do reckon the main thing is to get across how much we love riding bikes and the level of skill doesn't really play a part in that. I would rather watch someone who has just got a bike but is having the best time ever, than some pro who seems to be doing it because they have to 👍
A big part of you tube watching for me personally is looking for new places to ride or new lines up the local(wrekin) and without guys like yourself I'd never have ridden half of the trails slightly further afield over the last 5 or so years. Keep it up and your head out your arse so you don't end up like Henry 😂
Thanks mate, no way I'll ever get big headed or aloof; I just love riding bikes, others riding bikes and everyone having fun doing so. I do like a good rant too though 😂
@Stopadoodledoo wouldn't be the same without your rants 🤣 we ride bikes because we love it and watch all sorts of bike related content because of this, they do realise that the Friday fail content is made by a huge range of riders on their channel?!🙈
Nice one mate, I enjoy'd that video, as you say people of all abilities. I ride there too, anytime you fancy a up there, I'm local. I still think you're faster than me! 😂
@@Stopadoodledoo Only if you bring a hard tail too 😂. Yeah always up for a good day out mate. Surprised you went down 'sketchy trail' as I call it (the one with big random holes everywhere!)
@davemalcolm5754 Deal 🤣. And yeah, I don't think I would bother with that one again; felt half finished but also as if it had been abandoned. It was a new find, not one I fancy finding again!
Class bro luved the vid the ridin n all ya rantz bro . I'm a less than average rider as u know lol. N tbh I need do more ridin vids n learning more . Cheers bro n av a gd xmas if we dnt spk b4 🤗
To be honest, they probably aren't giving it any thought whatsoever and haven't since the podcast went out. It had it's intended purpose, to spark discussion, stir up controversy and I imagine, drive traffic onto their site, podcast and videos. A podcast where they just say nice things to and about everyone kind of defeats the purpose really 👍
They also missed what the audience is actually watching for rather than if the rider is 'good'. Our dog loves watching your vids pretending she is running down the trail whilst listening to the park drunk as we leg it out the house for a few hours. Others, like FG use it inappropriately whilst dreaming of what could have been. Its all about context like you say.
You're a bad, bad man Dom. As for Facegina, he cut us all off from social media ages ago (around the time he posted photos of him stood next to a viking and we all laughed). I'm sure he's still out there somewhere, wearing his Action Sandals and looking for things to throw, with a new bunch of irritated chums, ones who actually think he's called Darryl, are unaware of Uncle Daddy and know nothing of his true monicker, Facegina.
Fellow Cestrian here…..I’m old….older than you and I’m not very good…..to be honest a bit crap really 😢….. I put my videos on so I can look back and see how crap I really am 😂, but the main thing is I enjoy it, have fun and get a bit of exercise…still crap though!!
End of the day, having fun is the main thing and if that comes across in a video, it doesn't matter what level anyone is at; you don't need spectacular riding for a video to be entertaining. Hell, I have fun riding around Dukes Drive and The Dingle 😂
Cheers mate. It's comments made in a Pinkbike podcast mate, TH-cam's whole raison d'etre is to allow people to publish their videos; their very existence depends on it.
You did babble on a bit 😁 Yeah I'm borderline average 😂 I watch most peoples videos so I can learn from them Also to find the trails. I learned so much watching my videos back for the next time. Like you I'm an old bastard at 52
I love prattling on, whether trying to get over my opinion or just random rubbish that comes to mind. I think we all have our own preferences for MTB content, and reasons for watching / subscribing to the channels we do. Bizarrely, I try not to watch videos of places I am going as I like going in blind (daft I know), so I don't search by location, etc. To be honest, MTB videos are probably about 10% of the contact I watch on TH-cam!
@@Stopadoodledoo I love his race content where he analyses all the lines as he helps you learn stuff from the pros to apply to your own riding. Most articles on PB are just hype, clickbait or paid marketing BS and the comment sections are toxic as anything.
Great vid Jason, and I completely agree! I think if someone has put a vid out there, its fair to watch it all, yet not everyone does. Plus you ain't gonna please everyone so... 🤷♂️ What I want to know is, has Yoan confirmed or denied your comment?? 🤣🤣🤔🤔
I’ll admit to not watching everything, not enough time in the day and to be honest, MTB videos are only about 20% of what I watch on TH-cam. Of the MTB videos I do watch though, the majority is of smaller channels made by regular riders. Yoann is yet to comment 😂
You know I'm going to common on this one buddy. Yes, I think your video was a good video. Really good video. Good riding but what makes you a pro? Yes there's some really good riders out there but most of them are races and been racing all their life so they don't know nothing else. 😱 Butt riding all over the world. It's good to have variation across all sports activities. I think not just mountain biking or riding in general buddy and filming. Well. That's just where you want to put your life on a platter for people to comment on. Personally, I've had both in my life. I don't think I am no professional, no sponsors. It's a very expensive sport to get into if you want to do it the right way. And as fulfilment wow the price of cameras today and phones to finish it off I love it all aspects of mountain biking. You just work your way up with you. Get good or whether you stay average. It's all good fun. Keep up the good work buddy. We will meet soon 🤟🏽🤙🏽💪🏽⭐⭐
Thanks mate. TH-cam MTB channels are a funny one, we all know deep down that they're never going to get big but it really doesn't matter, it's people having fun doing what they love doing; riding bikes. As mentioned, I think there is room for all MTB channels and I enjoy a real cross section of them (tend to watch UK channels more, but not exclusively). Looking forward to meeting up when you head up next 👍
You're my dear are perfect for TH-cam. You're chilled and you ride very much average. What I don't like about you is that you pay too much attention to haters and idiots in your comments section. Just ignore them mate. Focus on good and positive feedback 🔥💪🏻 see you on trails 😉
I have to admit to being slightly confused by your comment as I can’t remember the last time I got a hateful comment or one posted by someone I would call an idiot. I’ve had a couple of trolling ones in the past but as always, they’re easy to spot so I responded by taking the mickey.
@@MartinTeerly not implying you are, hence my honest response; I was just a bit confused by your message as I haven’t experienced much in the way of hate (so far) 👍
I think most people watch the pro derived channels for aspirational purposes? Which is why I also watch Stopadoodledoo, because I'm a crap rider! I'd love to be average!
Some of the pro’s channels are really entertaining, others I find I click away very quickly although that’s the same for all channels really. My personal preference is to watch videos where there’s more going on just riding as some of the main reasons I ride are to be out in the great outdoors, preferably having a laugh with mates and messing around. I get the aspirational element but to be honest, at 53 with arthritis in my left knee (result of messing up a road gap 20 years ago), I am just happy that I can do what I do. Saying that, I have always wanted to get a (meaningless) KOM on a Lakes descent on Strava; I have/had one but it was on such a short trail that hardly anyone ever rides (it’s just too sloppy most of the year to bother with), then it’s really meaningless 😂 The other issues with that goal is that I don’t really use Strava much any more, and filming whilst talking a lot kind of distracts me 😂
I only watch pink bike for the Ben Cathro race series. He’s their only true personality. Will be interesting to see what happens now that has finished.
Yeah, I'm the same; I find the rest to be a bit cheesy really. I do hope that they keep Cathro on as he's like a breath of fresh air there and brings so much to the channel 👍
It was indeed but I was not made aware of it until more recently; I don't waste my time listening to PB podcasts. To be honest, if it was a joke then it kind of failed really, didn't it.
I only watch a small amount of Pro/ ExPro riders on YT - the ones that entertain me and the ones that make me laugh. Any that are up their own arses, can stay up their own arses - no time for them at all! I want to watch trails that that I might be able to ride, not trails that I could only ever dream of riding - on bikes I might be able to afford, not bikes that are only for the sponsored or rich. Small channels for the win all day long - keeping it real. Keep doing what you're doing, you never know.. One day WD40 may come knocking on the door with that free can and helmet 😂
Back in the days of us doing the Stopadoodledoo fanzine (mid 2000's), we did once get a freebie; we got a gilet from On One. It was rather 'special' so we gave it to Ratboy (our Ratboy, not the famous one). Don't tell Brant 😂
Well said. Keep posting. without youtubers like you and others, I wouldn't attempt half the trails I have, And without your Dyfi video I wouldn't have gone there myself. Pinkbike is fine if your a millionare but sometimes you want to see a normal rider tackle something. Plus you hate trail centres including degshit. haha for that I will always watch. Aslo where is this trail
Thanks mate, appreciate it. Funnily enough, Marc and Christian are trying to get me to go to Degla as they think it would be hilarious to document my reaction (I have been before - I was somewhat underwhelmed). I have told them I will but only if they then come to somewhere not a million miles from there and attempt every trail 😂 Need to keep the location of the one in this video quiet, sorry; met the trail builders who are happy for me to film there as long as I don’t disclose where it is.
No you're not good enough for youtube, now get of it please 😂😂😂 I am also sure you ride around with a smile and a hard on 🙈 Seriously though, I love your content and the extra thord person povs you add. I like watching your videos, unless itnis somewhere new and crazy that you have found, as know I will be there at some point in the future!! Us smaller channels make TH-cam a better, and far more relatable social platform for me. Yes some videos are pants, but if they stick with it their editing improves, amd so does their content. Click bait though, that does my head in.. they set the expectation level hogh, watch the video, and come away feeling blagged!
Thanks mate although a hard on at my age is difficult to muster 😂 TH-cam is what it is because it’s open to everyone, and I really do think some of the best channels are those of average riders. As you know, I am not really a fan of pure POV videos but it’s a great way of getting started, does suit some rides and is a lot less faff. It would be lovely to be able to capture different (3rd person for instance) footage on all rides but it’s not really practical. Drone footage? Meh 😂 Thumbnail and title is a constant struggle as you know, trying to get the balance right between piquing interest but not being clickbait. I too have clicked on a fair few videos that have promised so much but delivered nothing 😂
@@Stopadoodledoo know what you mean about pov views, it is a lot of extra faffing but totally worth it! Breaks the video up, makes it more engaging which I think a lot of the pro channels totally miss out on. Not jealous of them, well I am a little as they have it all including camera people helping. Er by the way there are pills now for men of your age to help you know 😉😂
Pink bike say if your no good at biking you shouldn’t be recording yourself? My personal opinion is I hate watching the pros going down a trail that they make look so smooth and they don’t put a wheel wrong
It was a couple of them on a podcast, gist of it was that if you’re not that good a rider, record away but don’t bother putting it on TH-cam, which is a ridiculous thing to say. I do watch some of the pro’s videos but only when they themselves are entertaining; wouldn’t watch for the riding alone if it was pure POV with zero/minimal commentary
Yep, agreed. I get that they were maybe trying to provoke discussion but wonder if they wanted this much controversy. The key thing too is that people can and should be able to choose what they watch on TH-cam, same with what they upload (within the guidelines of course). The whole purpose of TH-cam is to allow people to upload and share their videos.
@@Stopadoodledoo It may have been to provoke discussion but doesn’t excuse their arrogance.I just think the alienated us average riders that like to document our rides,
I much prefer watching channels like yours than the pros. The pros don't interest me, probably because they ride so differently to me. I think your above average, certainly in terms of downhill speed anyway. I thought I was about average. I sometimes ride the same or similar stuff to what your doing but I am considerably slower at going downhill.
I honestly feel that I am average although I guess there’s a bit of a sliding scale… I’m definitely below average on climbs; always seen them as a necessity to get to the start of descents 😀
Totally agree jason, who pukebike anyway😂, long as your having a great day out on your own or with mates, that all that matters, have a great xmas jason all tge best🚴♂️👊
@@Stopadoodledoo ha yes I did forget about Cathro ! My point is it's a little bit cheeky saying about TH-camrs skill levels and your own skill level isn't that much ....I'm sure it was more of a publicity stunt more than anything as it gets people talking about them exactly like I'm doing now ! For what it's worth I really enjoy watching your videos.
I don't watch pro riders' content almost at all. I rather watch another average bumbler like myself 😂. Joking aside like some of the others have said you're definitely better than an average rider after watching your videos. Another great thing about posting to YT is the ability to go back and check your own progress on both fronts: riding and content quality.
I really am an average rider, well below average if jumps come into it 😂 I find it quite funny to look back at old videos; the first ones I made, you can sort of see a similarity in that I was just prattling on and riding around, but you can tell by my voice that I wasn't as confident in talking on video back then. I'd like to think the quality has improved but who knows, there's probably people who preferred it when I kept my ugly mug out of shot and just said bizarre stuff and swore a lot (I try not to now, not always successfully)
@@BoAndHisBike Have you ever watched @HallMarc_Trails Apeman Camera video? It's his most popular video as far as views go and we often take the mickey out of him about it. It pops up in my feed about once a month and I always give it a watch 🤣
@@BoAndHisBike never take anything down, I’ve even left up some god awful clip filmed with a GoPro 2 in 2018, and uploaded some horrendous footage filmed with the same camera in Spain in 2013 😂
I do enjoy content from both sides of the fence (the imaginary Pinkbike fence) but I certainly wouldn't sub to a pro's channel because of who they are; I don't 'do' Celebrity. I really do have the same reason for watching and subscribing to any channel and that is how entertaining it is, and that's not determined by skill level 👍
I'd recommend actually listening to the podcast where Pink Bike allegedly denounced all TH-cam creators. The Loam Ranger managed to take an out of context clip and make a meal out of it. Guess they needed to generate some clickbait somehow. Don't fall into the same trap!
I see what you mean about context but I do like a good rant/ramble and to be honest, it is a subject that I find interesting. As someone who's an average rider and publishes MTB videos to TH-cam, I am obviously biased but if I didn't have a channel (as many don't) then what would I think, and what would I watch? I have mates who only really subscribe to and watch the big channels or those of the pro's (they sub to me because I am a mate - at least I think they do 😂). There's probably a lot who think and do the same; maybe I am stuck in this TH-cam bubble. I am interested in hearing the opinions of those who only watch videos made by good riders - problem being they are unlikely to watch this to hear my opinion. It would make for a great discussion though (and their opinion would be as valid as mine)
Henry Quinny has said this about TH-camrs loads of times on the PB podcast. He's even said it about himself when he was on GMBN. Media people take themselves too serious these days.
@@theboypandalad It's such a bizarre opinion to hold really, given that the purpose of TH-cam is literally to allow anyone to upload videos. It's not like people are forced into watching content they don't want to see.
I guess it all comes down to how you view TH-cam itself? Is it a tool to show you how to do things or show you trails. Or is it a source of entertainment? It can be both at times and neither! Lets face it, we've all seen those videos of someone trying to record a trail on their bike while holding a mobile phone! Everyone can agree to hate on those guys 😂👍
I think Pinkbike is full of shite. The authors and the people that seem to use it seem to be very out of touch with reality. But that said I think a lot of people that have made being "something something MTB" on the youtubes their livelihood got a bit offended at what seemed to be a joke at their expense. Both sides take themselves way too seriously. BTW, I like your videos because they aren't "ARE TWO WHEELS TOOO MANY?" or other clickbait crap that everyone that make this a living seems to be trying. I'm not too interested in the latest super amazing products or seeing people almost kill themselves over bigger and bigger jumps, and racing is pretty boring as a spectator. Seeing people messing around and having fun reminds me to go out on the bike at the weekend and not put it off.
Maybe they've become too big, to the point where they see themselves as the only true voice in MTB? Thing with the big channels is that they've had this before but in different ways, with comments relating to why are they getting sponsored by bike companies, etc? The obvious reason is because companies get more visibility of their products through social media than through racing. To be honest, I don't think any of this was aimed at the large MTB content creators; whether people like it or not, they have a lot of influence and it would not be wise to upset their subs base, etc. I think Ryan (Loam Ranger) fully got this and is defending ALL MTB content creators, as is Seth to an extent in his comment on Ryan's video. Personally, I would never go for full on clickbait; I do feel a bit cringe at times when I use words like Crazy and Insane though, as it's all relative really - one man's Crazy is another man's Meh. There's a fine line for sure over what's acceptable and what's blatantly bigging something up for views, finding that balance is a challenge because you do want to draw people in but at the same time, you don't want to become a laughing stock. Along those lines, I avoid fistbumps and the like because I think they're also a bit cringe, especially when they are awarded for just getting to the bottom of a trail without falling off and bumping your bottom on a stone 😂
@@Stopadoodledoo >I do feel a bit cringe at times Nah, you have "charm" which is different. I think people that do a hobby for money quickly lose the charm (because it's work now..) and that's why professional media like PB and full time content creators annoy me equally.
I like watching average everyday riders, but I am sick of seeing rich older dudes with ridiculous production quality, expensive camaras, super expensive bikes and vehicles to get to and from the bike parks show off their wealth while also making more money because it seems Social Media's algorithm absolutely favours and spoils the already wealthy. I've seen enough of these CEO dentist youtube channels riding trails. Post whatever you want, but I'm kinda sick of watching people flaunt their wealth, much prefer dudes on hardtails showing me trails with crappy quality footage because gopros are expensive.
I guess it's just that a lot of riders are getting older and have expendable income; wouldn't really call it flexing though and I guess it's not their fault that the algorithm favours them. I am aware of one channel that matches your description though, where the view figures are somewhat suspect (especially when compared to the number of comments, etc., they get); I guess giving the impression of success is just incredibly important to them, regardless of cost. Weird thing is, they won't be making much back through their videos being monetised. A video I made last month currently has 2.7k views; that equates to £6.50 in revenue.
I've noticed quite a few that are suggested to me do this. It seems to be the MTB community in general, for the most part, is made up of people with extremely good careers and disposable incomes. Anytime I park at the local trails theres numerous travel vans or $80k SUV's with the uprights bike racks loaded with dentist bikes, and a family gets out and the 12 years old are on bikes that cost more than my car and bike put together, you could call me jealous, but it just seems to be that most people riding mountain bikes are rich AF. And really, I dont see how watching these dads with GoPros riding on $8k+ bikes is appealing, I get tired of it as they just roll over stuff that would have taken skill on a lesser bike, they let the money do the work instead of riding features how they should be ridden. I much prefer watching people from BMX backgrounds actually jump around the trails whether theres actual jumps or not than watching someone just pedal and roll over everything, and by roll over I dont mean not get air, they get air and land hard, and the suspension does all the work, they have no finesse or style and its just cringe to watch. It is what it is though, I just block said channel from my recommendations, just as I block road biking, its not interesting to me but it might be interesting to some people. As for what PinkBike said, I think they might have been referring to what I'm getting at, rich people making money off TH-cam for mediocre riding and letting their tools whether its the bike, the camaras, the editors, the private backyard facilities do all the work.@@Stopadoodledoo
@@augmented2nd666 you may be right about the target of their comments but it does come across as ‘not good, don’t bother’. You do see riders over here that match the ones you mention but they are probably the minority (although it’s rare I go to bike parks). VW Transporters and the like are more common than they used to be (SUV’s aren’t that common over here) but more often than not it’s a family car or hatchback, bikes crammed in, blankets down to try and keep the mud off the interior (my car, a 14 year old Volvo D5 estate, stinks of sheep poo, mud and rotten rice, following a chain of events where a balloon with rice in it burst, followed not long after with me forgetting to close the sunroof and windows prior to torrential rain 😂). As for bikes, you see a real mix out, lot of e-bikes (often on zero interest finance, I suspect) but also see a lot of older, much loved and abused bikes too. Hardtails never really went out of fashion over here too, and especially in winter, you see loads of them out (easier to clean and maintain when getting caked in mud all the time). I’ve just waffled on for ages, probably off topic, but maybe it’s different over here because of the sheer amount of places we get to ride (legally and not so much), or maybe I’m not going to the places where the All The Gear crew go to and not watching their videos as they’re doing stuff that doesn’t appeal to me. My preference is riding down technical trails and round jumps (admittedly because I am useless at them)
Honestly theres tons of people who arent good who dont bother, I would never see a reason to upload footage of myself (i'd have to buy a camara first, I dont even own one) just trotting around trails near me. I get that it can be useful to make trail previews for others wanting to ride those exact trails, but really I'd rather ride trails blind myself and figure them out as I go. Other than that, I cant think of any other reason to make a video, pretty much any how to has already been made by countless pros, pro mechanics, and even the companies who make the products. I think the point is the over saturation of the MTB youtube channels affecting the algorithm by pumping it full of videos, you see this in many hobbies that people film for youtube, its that "creator" mentality, that self importance they exude when they make videos can be felt. And that goes for other things too, theres countless musician channels that shouldnt exist, but they do, most are ignorant, assume their audience are morons, and all copy eachother constantly, whether its playing slayer on a banjo, or quantizing their audio to align it perfectly to a grid for an unnatural yet perfect sound through computer manipulation. TH-cam itself is kinda just becoming a cesspool of marketing strategies looking for money, and its getting more difficult to weed through the trash, even if its super polished high quality trash. Fortunately theres that "dont recommend this channel" button on the homepage feed so if you see something absolutely cringe just pop back there and click it. I'm on the island next to whistler, seems like everyone and their grandma ride MTB and have done so their whole lives. I grew up riding skateparks on BMX every day, mountains just didnt interest me until recently moved to a more hilly region and got a bike with gears. I basically only encounter enduro riders, hardtails are almost none existent, I prefer them and got a devinci kobain which is treading the waters of enduro without the frame gimble. I find it feels like a big BMX and am starting to enjoy the black trails with little bumps and jumps and whatnot, the drops look doable but the landings almost always have an immediate sharp turn or too many trees in the way so I dont bother, I'd rather drop a 12 stair set to flat on BMX than a forest drop and hit a tree or something.@@Stopadoodledoo
@@augmented2nd666 I honestly don’t think of myself as a creator, I just started making silly videos during the first lockdown for something to do (literally riding around Chester, usually at around 7am, prattling on about utter rubbish; it motivated me to get out on the bike). Lockdown finished, I carried on and somehow, a small group of people seemed to like what I was doing. Admittedly, for a while, I fell into the trap of wanting my channel to grow, to the point where I would try and ride somewhere different every week. Kept that up for a year and then realised that I wasn’t riding where I particularly wanted to anyway more, so decided to do what I wanted to do and ride where I wanted, even if channel growth slowed down (which it did, considerably). Do I regret that? Not at all. I do like making videos, if I am honest I prefer making the silly ones more than the riding ones, even though their appeal is way less. There’s no real desire or illusion of ‘fame’, the way I am in videos is pretty much how I am in real life (a loud, annoying piss taking idiot with an opinion on everything). As mentioned in the video, I try to get across the fun element of messing around on bicycles. I know the above is my story/justification but I imagine many of my peers feel the same. We (as in the guys I ride with regularly) are always a bit shocked, flattered and taken aback when people recognise us from our videos. End of the day, I/we love riding bikes and have done so for decades. We also like making videos but if TH-cam was to disappear tomorrow, I wouldn’t be heartbroken and would ride my bike just as much.
ride where you want, how you want and enjoy yourself. ignore the oxygen thieving fat unhealthy sofa warriors with their mental illness. just get out and have fun
TH-camrs like yourself are why I have YT premium,that and uninterrupted music when I fancy some tunes...I find getting the prospective of a rider with similar abilities is much more interesting than a "sender" doing backflips and 900foot gaps 😂
Totally with you, it's relatable. I do like watching channels of people doing stuff I can't do; Iain Richard for instance, he does stuff I wouldn't dream of attempting but it's the laughs they have, them falling off and howling with laughter at each other, etc., that draws me in. Jono Jones is an example of a pro whose videos I watch because again, he's always having the time of his life; you can tell that bikes are so important to him and that him and his mates are having fun
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Totally agree with you mate, in fact, i rarely watch the big channels, much prefer to watch people at a similar level to myself, riding places i've ridden or wish to ride. It's all about the memories and the laughs along the way for me, admittedly i do try and make it a bit more interesting and entertaining so others can watch, i certainly don't class myself as a good rider, i just enjoy riding, that should be the only real criteria, not are you good enough.
Fantastic video mate 👍
Thanks mate. For me, it really comes down to how much fun and how much passion comes across, regardless of riding skills. When you get videos of a group of mates just messing around, taking the mickey out of each other, etc., it reminds me of what I love about mountain biking.
Completely agree!…
I prefer watching the less polished, more grass roots.. every-day riders, that make mistakes, and learn from them. The majority of us, can relate too!
That’s my take too, although I do watch pro’s videos too; love Brendan Fairclough’s videos for instance (although having met, chatted and had beers with him on occasion, it’s possibly in that example because he’s a genuinely lovely bloke)
Couldn't agree more with you. I'm far more likely to watch a video by you or one of your contemporaries than anything else as it's more relatable. I'm a mid-40s dad with a £350 bike from Halfords, Red Bull are never going to be knocking at the door with a contract offer. I've watched plenty of your videos and similar ones of others', getting ideas of local places to ride, skills I need learn & kit I need to buy. In fact, I think it was stumbling across one of your Delamere videos that made me realise I could use the bike for more than just family bike rides. Keep doing what you're doing.
Thanks mate and yeah, the relatable element really is key. Great to hear that it was possibly one of my videos that motivated you, that's made my day 👍
Well said mate! As somebody that has only been riding a couple of years I like watching smaller channels as often its a more realistic goal for where I want to be as a rider or at least if I think its somewhere I could give a go without dying!!! I certainly wouldn’t watch youtube if it were only pros! 👍🤙
Thanks Ant. I'm the same (although do watch a real cross section), I enjoy MTB videos from all levels of rider 👍
There is a very small percentage of people who ride like pros. In general, we are all in your bracket of rider which means we relate to how you ride. We rely on your POV. You're giving us the green light to ride trails that are out there and giving us the confidence to think they are within our reach. I've watched you for a while now and I can relate to you, so I look to find the same kind of trails. Keep up the brilliant channel and do what you love, it comes across in waves and we all want to see more and more. Nice one Jason.
Thanks mate, really appreciate that. At the end of the day, it's all about having fun 👍
Don’t sell yourself short, from watching your channel, you are a very skilled rider, I am over 10 years older than you and can not ride at your level but enjoy what I can ride. This looked like a great trail, I enjoy your channel, form the U.S. 🤠
Thanks, really appreciate that. These trails were a recent find (the Sunglasses video, not that anyone could tell....) and are fantastic although that muddy one towards the end was a bit terrifying 😀.
I really do think I am an average rider; I've had the good luck to ride with a lot of people over the years and can safely say that many have been far better than me (annoyingly 😂). Not sure many enjoyed themselves any more than I do though!
Saw that video as well and stung me as well. I often never even post things because I'm afraid of being ridiculed. While often when I'm on the bike - riding like an average rider - I wish I could share the joy by showing it. Happy to see your piece on it!
Sorry to hear that you are reluctant to post, some people (commenters) are just morons and my guess is that half the time, they don't even ride themselves and post just to be controversial.
I quite enjoy getting negative comments; I love responding to them 😃
As a small channel myself I was pretty disappointed in what the Pinkbike guys said, not everyone can be a pro but I can tell you now, I have a raced bikes for 35 years and in my prime would wipe the floor with those guys, hell i'd probably even destroy them now in my 50s.
To actually say that us lesser riders shouldn't post videos was a very bad choice of words when most people are probably better than them, I've bumbled my way down many tracks and trails but nailed many many more.
Keep up the good work everyone.
Great video, I just subscribed .
Thanks mate, appreciate it; subbed to you too.
It’s their arrogance and seeming misunderstanding of what TH-cam is that gets me. If they’d have just said that they weren’t interested in watching videos by average riders then that’s fine, I know a lot of people feel and do that.
Maybe it was said to stir up a controversy and discussion but I would say it’s backfired and doesn’t reflect well on the organisation they work for and represent.
I imagine they are loving all this attention…
Brilliantly well said - and I loved it! Loved the trails and loved the fact you made it feel like another accessible ride and not a if you can't do the crazy stuff go home! Great attitude!
Thanks mate, really appreciate it. Location I filmed this one at is one I sadly can't share but it's really one of those that caters for all levels, simply a fun place 👍
I'm in scotland so assume it would be a trek! it's great to see quiet cracking trails though we have so many up here!@@Stopadoodledoo
@@brassblastuk Yeah, it'd be quite the round trip for you 🤣
Hoping to get up to Scotland to ride soon, a mate recently moved up to Lanarkshire and has already found a ton of decent stuff he insists on showing me
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I'm in lanarkshire! He must have mentioned Cambusbarron an awesome community! not to mention all of the amazing centers @@Stopadoodledoo
It was your xc video from Llangollen that inspired me to get the bike out again. So I of course I enjoyed the content. If you were not allowed to post I may not have been inspired. It also made me watch other mtb TH-cam content. If it were not for your content my life style would not be as it is now.
Thanks mate, really appreciate that. It does go to show that there's a place for all of us on TH-cam, because not everyone wants to watch amazing riders doing amazing things in amazing places (well, not all the time anyway) 👍
Spot on well said mate! And great riding as always your above average for sure! 👌
Thanks mate. I really am an average rider though, I wouldn't ever refer to myself as good. I'm happy with my lot though and absolutely love riding, which is the important thing 👍
Epic video mate and you put the point across perfectly in my book, what is about some people who like to think they’re better than others, I got into mountain biking as a means of carrying on the 35kg I lost and getting fitter, the video making for me is just a side bar to that, I am certainly not a good rider or video maker but it’s not what this is all about, in my book TH-cam is just a way of reaching out to others and showcasing the different places in which mountain biking is open to, keep up the with the great videos mate and stuff those people 🤘👊
Thanks mate, appreciate it.
It’s a controversial topic for sure, and one I have kind of seen hinted at before on MTB forums but by regular people rather than public working for the organisations.
I would bet that no professional (or even ‘good’) rider feels the same. I know for instance that Brendan Fairclough was a huge fan of Dave Jenvey’s channel
Awesome video ! Thanks for sharing them ! 💕💯
Thanks, really appreciate you saying that 👍
You got me through lockdown when my employer was making me quarantine before going to work. I've been a big fan ever since👍
Thanks mate. I kind of miss the lockdown days and the silly videos where I just rode around talking rubbish, hence why I've been occasionally doing something similar recently. Was a strange time though from the perspective of making MTB videos, because to all intents and purposes, the riding was the least notable element of the videos. Strangely, (especially with the second lockdown in '21|), the videos took a lot more effort than ones where you can get out riding somewhere half decent.
Interesting video topoic with added great riding and comedy thrown in..... sign me up 😎
Pink bike forgets....There's a massive army of us average (which is a scale in itself) riders simply recording ourselves because its a hobby. I know whose side im on come the revolution 💪. All about fun and enjoying yourself etc 🤣🤣
I think that's the crux of it, they forgot what people want to watch and why people want to upload their videos - it't not to show off, just to record and share their passion and hope that others may want to see it too 👍
You just keep doing what your doing! It entertains me and I’m an average 55 year old who rides similar stuff to you! For me over the pond the standout guys who always come across as cracking blokes with no egos but are fantastic riders are dangerous Dave, nick vancan and Dale Stone, just so envious of there trail network! (Maybe one day). Also I really enjoy your footage and obvious love of hardtail riding, for me there’s not enough of this on both sides of the pond.
Thanks mate, no plans to change any time soon (although I guess I don't stick to one type of video really, flipping between silly reviews, rants and riding). Agree with you about the channels you mention, you can just tell that they are doing what they love and yeah, the stuff they ride looks incredible (proper scary though...).
As for hardtails, they're just great; can't understand why everyone doesn't have one (even if as a second bike) 😂
Wise words mate. Quality footage too. Keep at it 👍
Thanks mate. Footage is definitely better than that in my Dyfi videos because I actually managed to get the camera angle correct. I blame having to wear a full face helmet at Dyfi, because I couldn't glance down and see the camera 😂
I don't listen to the PinkBike podcast or watch their videos for this very reason. When I saw Ryan's video I went and listened to the podcast and was pretty shocked they said that out loud even though we all know it's what they think.
Been toying with the idea of making a "reaction" video myself - but you've said it all. Nice one.
First time I've stumbled on your channel too and I think you're a pretty decent rider mate.
Thanks mate. I too don't usually pay much attention to Pinkbike, other than watching the content that Cathro is involved in, so only became aware of this through Ryan's video and then looked into it. You're right that it's probably just their personal opinion (and probably that of others too) but to voice it on such a public platform is not wise, even if it was supposed to be tongue in cheek, as some commenters have said.
I say go with making a video on it too, it's a subject worth discussing and maybe expanding on. Probably best to not mention Barelli's 'happiness' though, or we could start up a rumour 😂
Great mate, cheers, it's just so nice to see us older ones having a go, but believe me it's a waste of time, and the only thing is bigger channels don't give a S... about us smaller channels, remember they are paid to work on there channels, it's a job for them 😉 for us working in real jobs we have the fun 😀 wether started out on a bike or pro's we are all the same, funny thing I came across you today as I am getting back into biking In the woods, god I forgot what great fun it is, good luck with your channel 😀 laters Steve
Thanks mate, it’s all about the fun for sure, even the making of the videos (although it’s the riding that’s the real passion). To be honest, I wouldn’t want to be in the position of having a channel so large that it was the main income as if it was a job, it and to an extent the riding would become a chore.
Great to hear you are out riding in the woods again, best thing ever isn’t it 👍
@Stopadoodledoo thanks mate 👍 I may film a very short story on my other channel, maybe the bit of me falling off 🤣🤣 in all this mud 😀 Happy Christmas 🎄 😀 laters
Thanks for another great video, I enjoy watching your content. I'm confident that TH-cam are more than happy for you to use their platform to upload your content. Can someone link me to the original post?
Thanks mate, no chance of me giving up because I am average 😂
It was Pinkbike Podcast 198, comes up straight away if you search for Pinkbike Podcast, obviously searched a lot!!
Good video, I watch a mixture pro down to local people keep it up 🤘🤘
Thanks mate, I watch exactly the same 👍
I dont think ive ever watched a Pinkbike video all the way through to the end. I do with yours.
Thanks mate, one of the few that probably does…
I occasionally add a little silly bit in at the end to see if anyone picks up on them 😂
I enjoy watching your videos as it's different! I'm in my 40s, love MTB (though I don't make enough time for it lately) and am probably an average rider!
You're also fairly local to me, so I try to guess where you are on the vids in an attempt to avoid wasting precious riding time on shite trails!! 😂
Thanks mate, I do try to make them a bit different although not sure that's always a good thing 😂
I'd love to know how often you guess correctly with the locations. Contrary to what some irate commenters say, I'd like to think that I keep where I'm riding quite well hidden unless people already know the area 👍
@Stopadoodledoo Yeh it's not very often to be honest and that's what frustrates me! 🤣
But don't worry, I do get why! 👍🏼
But on topic... if you're still enjoying it then keep doing it! TH-cam would be nothing without the variety of choices!
I'm glad you got that off your chest! Was it good therapy? It made me laugh 😂. Nice riding too!
It's always good therapy to have a rant mate 😂
I've been telling you guys to have a trip down this way for ages; so much amazing riding that's very different to your usual stuff but I know you'd love it 👍
(It's even better than Whitbarrow Scar 😂😂😂)
Better than whitbarrow scar!! Nooooo... We'll have to get a trip down organized. Nothing too scary mind...😮
We're all here for the grumbling and the crashes 🤣 Interestingly enough, my absolute favourite channel is BC POV, just an average guy who is really good at telling stories us about his adventures!
Sorry, no crashes in this one; must try harder 😂
I do think that the channels where the videos are telling a story are the more interesting ones, regardless of rider skills. I don't tend to watch videos for the riding alone, if that makes sense.
@@Stopadoodledoo I know exactly what you mean. As regards the crashes, you got the bike stuck in a ditch - that’s good enough for me 😀
Totally agree with you. How good a rider, or video are is subjective. I'd rather watch a video of a rider who is closer to my level than somebody who has skills I'll never have. Watching your videos gives me ideas of places to ride and also an idea of how difficult or easy it is and therefore some idea of if I'd be able to tackle it ( Borrowdale Bash and Helvelin are on my to do list )... I'm not the best rider but your channel and a couple of others ( Trailfinder and Lakedistrict rider ) inspired me to upgrade my aging and quite frankly shite Gopro Hero 3 to something much better ( Insta 360 X3 ). I've now started recording my rides and uploading them to TH-cam again, like I said I'm not the best rider but hopefully people watch my video's and think, that looks fun and something I could ride.. I'm not interested in having a huge channel or making money out of the video's, not that's likely to happen with 12 subscribers 🤣. Keep doing what your doing, your video's are entertaining and fun. On a side note, the wife has just stuck her head in the room, FFS are you watching bloody mountain bike video's again 🤣🤣🤣
Absolutely, it's about what people find to be entertaining and informative that is key, and not everyone wants to watch really good riders doing things that may be unachievable.
I've not really got up the Lakes much recently; well, I did but I forgot my chest harness so was unable to film (I did Garburn on my P7 - it was brutal on a hardtail 😂).
The thing with TH-cam and getting high views, subs, etc., is that mountain biking is possibly one of the worst things you can choose as a video subject as it's so niche; I swear that a channel about how to sellotape dust covers for books in a way that doesn't show would do better 😂
As for the wife and her comment, tell her that it wasn't mountain biking per se, but some grumpy old sod having a moan, who just happened to be on a mountain bike 😂
@@Stopadoodledoo I told the wife at least it wasn't porn 😂
On some days I honestly think our wives would prefer if we watched porn instead 😂
@@BoAndHisBike costs less I guess, and hopefully we’re not doing it for hours on end in the woods with our ‘idiot’ friends 😂
The Yoann Barelli comment got me LOL. Nice looking trails as well, thumbs up
Thanks mate, trails at this place are so much fun (although that second to last one really was ridiculously slippy 😂).
When I was thinking of which Pro seems happiest, Barelli sprang to mind instantly 😂
If you’re average then I’m a velocipede. You’re right about this though, only a very small percentage of bikers can do the ‘big’ stuff, it’s good to watch but completely unrealistic to many of us, more mature riders.
As long as we’re smiling, leave us alone!
As usual, great post, even though you got stuck in a rut!!!🤣🤣💪💪👍
Nah mate, I have been lucky enough to ride with people who are good and know my level, which I am happy with. Too old now to learn or dare to do jumps and crap like that, never really wanted to anyway 😀
Less of the Mickey taking too, or I’ll trick you into going to Longridge again 🤣
Well said, for a huge majority of folk that watch TH-cam, they are looking for either unbiased reviews on products, researching new trails, that hidden line or they want to be a content creator and just want to see how others do it. What said in that podcast was a bike snob attitude and was out of order. Keep creating your content and enjoy the trails regardless of skill.
I do think that they never gave enough thought to how their comments would be perceived. A couple of other commenters have expressed that it was possibly tongue in cheek or that it’s been perceived incorrectly but at the end of the day, there seems to be a fair few people who are put out by it and not just those of us who upload to TH-cam.
TH-cam is for everyone, it gives us average people a platform to share our content (good and bad) and a lot of people do interact with the thousands of small channels.
For me, smaller channels with average riders portrays the fun of mountain biking more, it’s more relatable than watching the pros doing their stuff. It doesn’t detract from the pros channels, etc.
Thanks for commenting, really appreciate it 👍
I’m an average rider and below average content creator and found this highly entertaining the long well made: loved the third person content, made a great edit!!
Thanks mate. I do try to put 3rd person, etc., into the videos as it breaks it up a bit, moves away from pure POV. Not always possible though, especially when out with others, as it's a bit of a faff at times 👍
@@Stopadoodledoo yeah it doesn’t half slow a ride down, even worse when it’s raining too!
@@MindfulTrailBiker It's harder to justify when you're out with a group who don't film, as they just see it as pointless faff (which in all honesty it probably is 🤣). When I ride with Twelve and co, I know they're thinking "what's that bellend up to now" 🤣
@@Stopadoodledoo 😂😂
I totally agree with you, pal.....that was very average! I particularly enjoyed the 'sick' trench stoppie 🤟🏽
Joking aside, skill levels are subjective and besides, who wants to watch polished and precise expert content all the time. It's good to be wowed by pros with big budget productions...but it's also good to have content that we can relate to. You do a great job of creating relateable and amusing content. So much so that I have subscribed to your channel.
Stay average! 👍🏼
Thanks mate. I do reckon the main thing is to get across how much we love riding bikes and the level of skill doesn't really play a part in that. I would rather watch someone who has just got a bike but is having the best time ever, than some pro who seems to be doing it because they have to 👍
A big part of you tube watching for me personally is looking for new places to ride or new lines up the local(wrekin) and without guys like yourself I'd never have ridden half of the trails slightly further afield over the last 5 or so years. Keep it up and your head out your arse so you don't end up like Henry 😂
Thanks mate, no way I'll ever get big headed or aloof; I just love riding bikes, others riding bikes and everyone having fun doing so. I do like a good rant too though 😂
@Stopadoodledoo wouldn't be the same without your rants 🤣 we ride bikes because we love it and watch all sorts of bike related content because of this, they do realise that the Friday fail content is made by a huge range of riders on their channel?!🙈
Nice one mate, I enjoy'd that video, as you say people of all abilities. I ride there too, anytime you fancy a up there, I'm local. I still think you're faster than me! 😂
Thanks mate, appreciate that.
As for meeting up, that would be cool. Race, race, race 😂😂😂😂
@@Stopadoodledoo Only if you bring a hard tail too 😂. Yeah always up for a good day out mate. Surprised you went down 'sketchy trail' as I call it (the one with big random holes everywhere!)
@davemalcolm5754 Deal 🤣. And yeah, I don't think I would bother with that one again; felt half finished but also as if it had been abandoned. It was a new find, not one I fancy finding again!
@Stopadoodledoo I'll see you Saturday then. Fair warning, I ride 40 min to get there first, so will need a rest 😂
@@Stopadoodledoo There's a new trail being built you'll like, not finished, but ridable. 😉
Class bro luved the vid the ridin n all ya rantz bro . I'm a less than average rider as u know lol. N tbh I need do more ridin vids n learning more . Cheers bro n av a gd xmas if we dnt spk b4 🤗
Thanks mate, I do love a good rant. Have a great Christmas 👍
@@Stopadoodledoo ano bro lol n I neva watch pinkbikes either lol
Spot on mate!
I prefer watching your or other "avarage rider's videos" than pinkbike's crap anyway (apart from Friday fails 😂).
Thanks mate. I do watch some stuff on PB (or their TH-cam channel), mostly the Cathro stuff 👍
I'd say PB are feeling pretty well vindicated right now@😆😂🤘
To be honest, they probably aren't giving it any thought whatsoever and haven't since the podcast went out. It had it's intended purpose, to spark discussion, stir up controversy and I imagine, drive traffic onto their site, podcast and videos. A podcast where they just say nice things to and about everyone kind of defeats the purpose really 👍
They also missed what the audience is actually watching for rather than if the rider is 'good'. Our dog loves watching your vids pretending she is running down the trail whilst listening to the park drunk as we leg it out the house for a few hours. Others, like FG use it inappropriately whilst dreaming of what could have been. Its all about context like you say.
You're a bad, bad man Dom.
As for Facegina, he cut us all off from social media ages ago (around the time he posted photos of him stood next to a viking and we all laughed). I'm sure he's still out there somewhere, wearing his Action Sandals and looking for things to throw, with a new bunch of irritated chums, ones who actually think he's called Darryl, are unaware of Uncle Daddy and know nothing of his true monicker, Facegina.
You are spot on the money, you are far from a good rider..12s miles away
@@domlongman185 that’s even further away than you are from your closest competitor, Hora 😂
Fellow Cestrian here…..I’m old….older than you and I’m not very good…..to be honest a bit crap really 😢….. I put my videos on so I can look back and see how crap I really am 😂, but the main thing is I enjoy it, have fun and get a bit of exercise…still crap though!!
End of the day, having fun is the main thing and if that comes across in a video, it doesn't matter what level anyone is at; you don't need spectacular riding for a video to be entertaining.
Hell, I have fun riding around Dukes Drive and The Dingle 😂
TH-cam strikes again! Well a good rider or not for me my vids are still going on whether ppl like it or not.! Well said bro 😎
Cheers mate.
It's comments made in a Pinkbike podcast mate, TH-cam's whole raison d'etre is to allow people to publish their videos; their very existence depends on it.
You did babble on a bit 😁
Yeah I'm borderline average 😂
I watch most peoples videos so I can learn from them Also to find the trails.
I learned so much watching my videos back for the next time.
Like you I'm an old bastard at 52
I love prattling on, whether trying to get over my opinion or just random rubbish that comes to mind.
I think we all have our own preferences for MTB content, and reasons for watching / subscribing to the channels we do. Bizarrely, I try not to watch videos of places I am going as I like going in blind (daft I know), so I don't search by location, etc.
To be honest, MTB videos are probably about 10% of the contact I watch on TH-cam!
😂 I barely go on PB these days. Much prefer this type of content.
Me too, very rarely dip my toes into PB although I have watched and really enjoy the Cathro stuff they publish to TH-cam 👍
@@Stopadoodledoo I love his race content where he analyses all the lines as he helps you learn stuff from the pros to apply to your own riding. Most articles on PB are just hype, clickbait or paid marketing BS and the comment sections are toxic as anything.
Great vid Jason, and I completely agree! I think if someone has put a vid out there, its fair to watch it all, yet not everyone does. Plus you ain't gonna please everyone so... 🤷♂️ What I want to know is, has Yoan confirmed or denied your comment?? 🤣🤣🤔🤔
I’ll admit to not watching everything, not enough time in the day and to be honest, MTB videos are only about 20% of what I watch on TH-cam.
Of the MTB videos I do watch though, the majority is of smaller channels made by regular riders.
Yoann is yet to comment 😂
You know I'm going to common on this one buddy. Yes, I think your video was a good video. Really good video. Good riding but what makes you a pro? Yes there's some really good riders out there but most of them are races and been racing all their life so they don't know nothing else. 😱 Butt riding all over the world. It's good to have variation across all sports activities. I think not just mountain biking or riding in general buddy and filming. Well. That's just where you want to put your life on a platter for people to comment on. Personally, I've had both in my life. I don't think I am no professional, no sponsors. It's a very expensive sport to get into if you want to do it the right way. And as fulfilment wow the price of cameras today and phones to finish it off I love it all aspects of mountain biking. You just work your way up with you. Get good or whether you stay average. It's all good fun. Keep up the good work buddy. We will meet soon 🤟🏽🤙🏽💪🏽⭐⭐
Thanks mate. TH-cam MTB channels are a funny one, we all know deep down that they're never going to get big but it really doesn't matter, it's people having fun doing what they love doing; riding bikes.
As mentioned, I think there is room for all MTB channels and I enjoy a real cross section of them (tend to watch UK channels more, but not exclusively).
Looking forward to meeting up when you head up next 👍
@@Stopadoodledoo couldn't offset it. Better myself buddy. And yes when we come up we surely must ride that sweets all about a 🤔🤔😂
You're my dear are perfect for TH-cam. You're chilled and you ride very much average. What I don't like about you is that you pay too much attention to haters and idiots in your comments section. Just ignore them mate. Focus on good and positive feedback 🔥💪🏻 see you on trails 😉
I have to admit to being slightly confused by your comment as I can’t remember the last time I got a hateful comment or one posted by someone I would call an idiot.
I’ve had a couple of trolling ones in the past but as always, they’re easy to spot so I responded by taking the mickey.
@@Stopadoodledoo I'm far from trolling mate.
@@MartinTeerly not implying you are, hence my honest response; I was just a bit confused by your message as I haven’t experienced much in the way of hate (so far) 👍
Great video buddy 👍
Thanks mate, really enjoyed making this one (helped considerably by filming it somewhere fantastic to ride) 👍
I think most people watch the pro derived channels for aspirational purposes?
Which is why I also watch Stopadoodledoo, because I'm a crap rider! I'd love to be average!
Some of the pro’s channels are really entertaining, others I find I click away very quickly although that’s the same for all channels really.
My personal preference is to watch videos where there’s more going on just riding as some of the main reasons I ride are to be out in the great outdoors, preferably having a laugh with mates and messing around.
I get the aspirational element but to be honest, at 53 with arthritis in my left knee (result of messing up a road gap 20 years ago), I am just happy that I can do what I do.
Saying that, I have always wanted to get a (meaningless) KOM on a Lakes descent on Strava; I have/had one but it was on such a short trail that hardly anyone ever rides (it’s just too sloppy most of the year to bother with), then it’s really meaningless 😂
The other issues with that goal is that I don’t really use Strava much any more, and filming whilst talking a lot kind of distracts me 😂
I only watch pink bike for the Ben Cathro race series. He’s their only true personality. Will be interesting to see what happens now that has finished.
Yeah, I'm the same; I find the rest to be a bit cheesy really. I do hope that they keep Cathro on as he's like a breath of fresh air there and brings so much to the channel 👍
Good grief, 'that' PB podcast was over a month ago! Looks like some people just don't get a joke!!
It was indeed but I was not made aware of it until more recently; I don't waste my time listening to PB podcasts. To be honest, if it was a joke then it kind of failed really, didn't it.
I only watch a small amount of Pro/ ExPro riders on YT - the ones that entertain me and the ones that make me laugh. Any that are up their own arses, can stay up their own arses - no time for them at all!
I want to watch trails that that I might be able to ride, not trails that I could only ever dream of riding - on bikes I might be able to afford, not bikes that are only for the sponsored or rich.
Small channels for the win all day long - keeping it real.
Keep doing what you're doing, you never know.. One day WD40 may come knocking on the door with that free can and helmet 😂
Back in the days of us doing the Stopadoodledoo fanzine (mid 2000's), we did once get a freebie; we got a gilet from On One. It was rather 'special' so we gave it to Ratboy (our Ratboy, not the famous one). Don't tell Brant 😂
@@Stopadoodledoo 🤣
Well said. Keep posting. without youtubers like you and others, I wouldn't attempt half the trails I have, And without your Dyfi video I wouldn't have gone there myself. Pinkbike is fine if your a millionare but sometimes you want to see a normal rider tackle something. Plus you hate trail centres including degshit. haha for that I will always watch. Aslo where is this trail
Thanks mate, appreciate it.
Funnily enough, Marc and Christian are trying to get me to go to Degla as they think it would be hilarious to document my reaction (I have been before - I was somewhat underwhelmed). I have told them I will but only if they then come to somewhere not a million miles from there and attempt every trail 😂
Need to keep the location of the one in this video quiet, sorry; met the trail builders who are happy for me to film there as long as I don’t disclose where it is.
No you're not good enough for youtube, now get of it please 😂😂😂 I am also sure you ride around with a smile and a hard on 🙈
Seriously though, I love your content and the extra thord person povs you add. I like watching your videos, unless itnis somewhere new and crazy that you have found, as know I will be there at some point in the future!! Us smaller channels make TH-cam a better, and far more relatable social platform for me. Yes some videos are pants, but if they stick with it their editing improves, amd so does their content.
Click bait though, that does my head in.. they set the expectation level hogh, watch the video, and come away feeling blagged!
Thanks mate although a hard on at my age is difficult to muster 😂
TH-cam is what it is because it’s open to everyone, and I really do think some of the best channels are those of average riders.
As you know, I am not really a fan of pure POV videos but it’s a great way of getting started, does suit some rides and is a lot less faff. It would be lovely to be able to capture different (3rd person for instance) footage on all rides but it’s not really practical. Drone footage? Meh 😂
Thumbnail and title is a constant struggle as you know, trying to get the balance right between piquing interest but not being clickbait. I too have clicked on a fair few videos that have promised so much but delivered nothing 😂
@@Stopadoodledoo know what you mean about pov views, it is a lot of extra faffing but totally worth it! Breaks the video up, makes it more engaging which I think a lot of the pro channels totally miss out on. Not jealous of them, well I am a little as they have it all including camera people helping.
Er by the way there are pills now for men of your age to help you know 😉😂
@@ElectricMountainBiker 😂
After that i need Parma Violets.
There's nothing that Parma Violets can't fix 😂
Pink bike say if your no good at biking you shouldn’t be recording yourself? My personal opinion is I hate watching the pros going down a trail that they make look so smooth and they don’t put a wheel wrong
It was a couple of them on a podcast, gist of it was that if you’re not that good a rider, record away but don’t bother putting it on TH-cam, which is a ridiculous thing to say.
I do watch some of the pro’s videos but only when they themselves are entertaining; wouldn’t watch for the riding alone if it was pure POV with zero/minimal commentary
I actually unsubcribed to Pink Bike after they made that comment and subscribed to you instead! 😂
Thanks 😂
My channel is more IdiotBike 😂
Those absolute knobheads at Pinkbike really annoyed me with those comments, I’m 60 and still love MTB and will continue posting my videos
Yep, agreed. I get that they were maybe trying to provoke discussion but wonder if they wanted this much controversy.
The key thing too is that people can and should be able to choose what they watch on TH-cam, same with what they upload (within the guidelines of course).
The whole purpose of TH-cam is to allow people to upload and share their videos.
@@Stopadoodledoo It may have been to provoke discussion but doesn’t excuse their arrogance.I just think the alienated us average riders that like to document our rides,
@@LakesMTB1964 Oh absolutely, really badly thought out things to say, especially given the size and reach of their audience
#radsick
#NotSoMuchHenceTheVideo 😂
I much prefer watching channels like yours than the pros. The pros don't interest me, probably because they ride so differently to me. I think your above average, certainly in terms of downhill speed anyway. I thought I was about average. I sometimes ride the same or similar stuff to what your doing but I am considerably slower at going downhill.
I honestly feel that I am average although I guess there’s a bit of a sliding scale…
I’m definitely below average on climbs; always seen them as a necessity to get to the start of descents 😀
im just here for that sexy northern accent !!!
You're just here through a misguided sense of loyalty because you once had a Stopadoodledoo sun visor in your van, as evidenced in Dirt issue 46 😂
misguided????? loyal yes , but not misguided... well maybe a bit@@Stopadoodledoo
Totally agree jason, who pukebike anyway😂, long as your having a great day out on your own or with mates, that all that matters, have a great xmas jason all tge best🚴♂️👊
I always have fun mate, riding bicycles is just the best thing ever.
Have a great Xmas yourself 👍
Ironically apart from Mat Beer the pink bike presenters aren't actually that good at riding!
Yep (well, and Cathro, he's a legend). Pretty sure both of them are all for people of all levels posting videos 👍
@@Stopadoodledoo ha yes I did forget about Cathro ! My point is it's a little bit cheeky saying about TH-camrs skill levels and your own skill level isn't that much ....I'm sure it was more of a publicity stunt more than anything as it gets people talking about them exactly like I'm doing now ! For what it's worth I really enjoy watching your videos.
I don't watch pro riders' content almost at all. I rather watch another average bumbler like myself 😂. Joking aside like some of the others have said you're definitely better than an average rider after watching your videos. Another great thing about posting to YT is the ability to go back and check your own progress on both fronts: riding and content quality.
I really am an average rider, well below average if jumps come into it 😂
I find it quite funny to look back at old videos; the first ones I made, you can sort of see a similarity in that I was just prattling on and riding around, but you can tell by my voice that I wasn't as confident in talking on video back then. I'd like to think the quality has improved but who knows, there's probably people who preferred it when I kept my ugly mug out of shot and just said bizarre stuff and swore a lot (I try not to now, not always successfully)
I've recently re-watched my video from a couple of years back recorded on the flagship Akaso V50 Elite "action camera" and I cringed🤣
@@BoAndHisBike Have you ever watched @HallMarc_Trails Apeman Camera video? It's his most popular video as far as views go and we often take the mickey out of him about it. It pops up in my feed about once a month and I always give it a watch 🤣
Haha no, I haven't. I need to give it a watch. Mine was so bad that I took it down. I wouldn't want my worst enemy to watch it 😂.
@@BoAndHisBike never take anything down, I’ve even left up some god awful clip filmed with a GoPro 2 in 2018, and uploaded some horrendous footage filmed with the same camera in Spain in 2013 😂
The biggest amount of MTB riders are average and do it the enjoyment
Exactly mate, we do it for fun, for the social aspect and I guess for fitness too (lower down the priority list for sure) 👍
Id rather watch the average rider even the beginner rider much more than the "proffessional" riders i find their stuff boring
I do enjoy content from both sides of the fence (the imaginary Pinkbike fence) but I certainly wouldn't sub to a pro's channel because of who they are; I don't 'do' Celebrity. I really do have the same reason for watching and subscribing to any channel and that is how entertaining it is, and that's not determined by skill level 👍
Yep, keep it up. Love from another 50 odd year old average rider
Thanks mate. There's a fair few of us growing old ungracefully 😂
I'd recommend actually listening to the podcast where Pink Bike allegedly denounced all TH-cam creators. The Loam Ranger managed to take an out of context clip and make a meal out of it. Guess they needed to generate some clickbait somehow. Don't fall into the same trap!
I see what you mean about context but I do like a good rant/ramble and to be honest, it is a subject that I find interesting. As someone who's an average rider and publishes MTB videos to TH-cam, I am obviously biased but if I didn't have a channel (as many don't) then what would I think, and what would I watch? I have mates who only really subscribe to and watch the big channels or those of the pro's (they sub to me because I am a mate - at least I think they do 😂).
There's probably a lot who think and do the same; maybe I am stuck in this TH-cam bubble. I am interested in hearing the opinions of those who only watch videos made by good riders - problem being they are unlikely to watch this to hear my opinion. It would make for a great discussion though (and their opinion would be as valid as mine)
Henry Quinny has said this about TH-camrs loads of times on the PB podcast. He's even said it about himself when he was on GMBN. Media people take themselves too serious these days.
@@theboypandalad It's such a bizarre opinion to hold really, given that the purpose of TH-cam is literally to allow anyone to upload videos. It's not like people are forced into watching content they don't want to see.
I guess it all comes down to how you view TH-cam itself? Is it a tool to show you how to do things or show you trails. Or is it a source of entertainment? It can be both at times and neither! Lets face it, we've all seen those videos of someone trying to record a trail on their bike while holding a mobile phone! Everyone can agree to hate on those guys 😂👍
@@theboypandalad 😂😂😂
The beauty of TH-cam is that it’s all things to everyone, even phone camera POV fans 😂
I think Pinkbike is full of shite. The authors and the people that seem to use it seem to be very out of touch with reality. But that said I think a lot of people that have made being "something something MTB" on the youtubes their livelihood got a bit offended at what seemed to be a joke at their expense. Both sides take themselves way too seriously.
BTW, I like your videos because they aren't "ARE TWO WHEELS TOOO MANY?" or other clickbait crap that everyone that make this a living seems to be trying. I'm not too interested in the latest super amazing products or seeing people almost kill themselves over bigger and bigger jumps, and racing is pretty boring as a spectator. Seeing people messing around and having fun reminds me to go out on the bike at the weekend and not put it off.
Maybe they've become too big, to the point where they see themselves as the only true voice in MTB?
Thing with the big channels is that they've had this before but in different ways, with comments relating to why are they getting sponsored by bike companies, etc? The obvious reason is because companies get more visibility of their products through social media than through racing.
To be honest, I don't think any of this was aimed at the large MTB content creators; whether people like it or not, they have a lot of influence and it would not be wise to upset their subs base, etc. I think Ryan (Loam Ranger) fully got this and is defending ALL MTB content creators, as is Seth to an extent in his comment on Ryan's video.
Personally, I would never go for full on clickbait; I do feel a bit cringe at times when I use words like Crazy and Insane though, as it's all relative really - one man's Crazy is another man's Meh. There's a fine line for sure over what's acceptable and what's blatantly bigging something up for views, finding that balance is a challenge because you do want to draw people in but at the same time, you don't want to become a laughing stock.
Along those lines, I avoid fistbumps and the like because I think they're also a bit cringe, especially when they are awarded for just getting to the bottom of a trail without falling off and bumping your bottom on a stone 😂
@@Stopadoodledoo
>I do feel a bit cringe at times
Nah, you have "charm" which is different. I think people that do a hobby for money quickly lose the charm (because it's work now..) and that's why professional media like PB and full time content creators annoy me equally.
I like watching average everyday riders, but I am sick of seeing rich older dudes with ridiculous production quality, expensive camaras, super expensive bikes and vehicles to get to and from the bike parks show off their wealth while also making more money because it seems Social Media's algorithm absolutely favours and spoils the already wealthy. I've seen enough of these CEO dentist youtube channels riding trails. Post whatever you want, but I'm kinda sick of watching people flaunt their wealth, much prefer dudes on hardtails showing me trails with crappy quality footage because gopros are expensive.
I guess it's just that a lot of riders are getting older and have expendable income; wouldn't really call it flexing though and I guess it's not their fault that the algorithm favours them. I am aware of one channel that matches your description though, where the view figures are somewhat suspect (especially when compared to the number of comments, etc., they get); I guess giving the impression of success is just incredibly important to them, regardless of cost.
Weird thing is, they won't be making much back through their videos being monetised. A video I made last month currently has 2.7k views; that equates to £6.50 in revenue.
I've noticed quite a few that are suggested to me do this. It seems to be the MTB community in general, for the most part, is made up of people with extremely good careers and disposable incomes. Anytime I park at the local trails theres numerous travel vans or $80k SUV's with the uprights bike racks loaded with dentist bikes, and a family gets out and the 12 years old are on bikes that cost more than my car and bike put together, you could call me jealous, but it just seems to be that most people riding mountain bikes are rich AF. And really, I dont see how watching these dads with GoPros riding on $8k+ bikes is appealing, I get tired of it as they just roll over stuff that would have taken skill on a lesser bike, they let the money do the work instead of riding features how they should be ridden. I much prefer watching people from BMX backgrounds actually jump around the trails whether theres actual jumps or not than watching someone just pedal and roll over everything, and by roll over I dont mean not get air, they get air and land hard, and the suspension does all the work, they have no finesse or style and its just cringe to watch. It is what it is though, I just block said channel from my recommendations, just as I block road biking, its not interesting to me but it might be interesting to some people.
As for what PinkBike said, I think they might have been referring to what I'm getting at, rich people making money off TH-cam for mediocre riding and letting their tools whether its the bike, the camaras, the editors, the private backyard facilities do all the work.@@Stopadoodledoo
@@augmented2nd666 you may be right about the target of their comments but it does come across as ‘not good, don’t bother’.
You do see riders over here that match the ones you mention but they are probably the minority (although it’s rare I go to bike parks). VW Transporters and the like are more common than they used to be (SUV’s aren’t that common over here) but more often than not it’s a family car or hatchback, bikes crammed in, blankets down to try and keep the mud off the interior (my car, a 14 year old Volvo D5 estate, stinks of sheep poo, mud and rotten rice, following a chain of events where a balloon with rice in it burst, followed not long after with me forgetting to close the sunroof and windows prior to torrential rain 😂).
As for bikes, you see a real mix out, lot of e-bikes (often on zero interest finance, I suspect) but also see a lot of older, much loved and abused bikes too. Hardtails never really went out of fashion over here too, and especially in winter, you see loads of them out (easier to clean and maintain when getting caked in mud all the time).
I’ve just waffled on for ages, probably off topic, but maybe it’s different over here because of the sheer amount of places we get to ride (legally and not so much), or maybe I’m not going to the places where the All The Gear crew go to and not watching their videos as they’re doing stuff that doesn’t appeal to me.
My preference is riding down technical trails and round jumps (admittedly because I am useless at them)
Honestly theres tons of people who arent good who dont bother, I would never see a reason to upload footage of myself (i'd have to buy a camara first, I dont even own one) just trotting around trails near me. I get that it can be useful to make trail previews for others wanting to ride those exact trails, but really I'd rather ride trails blind myself and figure them out as I go. Other than that, I cant think of any other reason to make a video, pretty much any how to has already been made by countless pros, pro mechanics, and even the companies who make the products.
I think the point is the over saturation of the MTB youtube channels affecting the algorithm by pumping it full of videos, you see this in many hobbies that people film for youtube, its that "creator" mentality, that self importance they exude when they make videos can be felt. And that goes for other things too, theres countless musician channels that shouldnt exist, but they do, most are ignorant, assume their audience are morons, and all copy eachother constantly, whether its playing slayer on a banjo, or quantizing their audio to align it perfectly to a grid for an unnatural yet perfect sound through computer manipulation.
TH-cam itself is kinda just becoming a cesspool of marketing strategies looking for money, and its getting more difficult to weed through the trash, even if its super polished high quality trash. Fortunately theres that "dont recommend this channel" button on the homepage feed so if you see something absolutely cringe just pop back there and click it.
I'm on the island next to whistler, seems like everyone and their grandma ride MTB and have done so their whole lives. I grew up riding skateparks on BMX every day, mountains just didnt interest me until recently moved to a more hilly region and got a bike with gears. I basically only encounter enduro riders, hardtails are almost none existent, I prefer them and got a devinci kobain which is treading the waters of enduro without the frame gimble. I find it feels like a big BMX and am starting to enjoy the black trails with little bumps and jumps and whatnot, the drops look doable but the landings almost always have an immediate sharp turn or too many trees in the way so I dont bother, I'd rather drop a 12 stair set to flat on BMX than a forest drop and hit a tree or something.@@Stopadoodledoo
@@augmented2nd666 I honestly don’t think of myself as a creator, I just started making silly videos during the first lockdown for something to do (literally riding around Chester, usually at around 7am, prattling on about utter rubbish; it motivated me to get out on the bike). Lockdown finished, I carried on and somehow, a small group of people seemed to like what I was doing.
Admittedly, for a while, I fell into the trap of wanting my channel to grow, to the point where I would try and ride somewhere different every week.
Kept that up for a year and then realised that I wasn’t riding where I particularly wanted to anyway more, so decided to do what I wanted to do and ride where I wanted, even if channel growth slowed down (which it did, considerably). Do I regret that? Not at all.
I do like making videos, if I am honest I prefer making the silly ones more than the riding ones, even though their appeal is way less. There’s no real desire or illusion of ‘fame’, the way I am in videos is pretty much how I am in real life (a loud, annoying piss taking idiot with an opinion on everything). As mentioned in the video, I try to get across the fun element of messing around on bicycles.
I know the above is my story/justification but I imagine many of my peers feel the same. We (as in the guys I ride with regularly) are always a bit shocked, flattered and taken aback when people recognise us from our videos.
End of the day, I/we love riding bikes and have done so for decades. We also like making videos but if TH-cam was to disappear tomorrow, I wouldn’t be heartbroken and would ride my bike just as much.
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Well if I did, it never worked 😂
ride where you want, how you want and enjoy yourself. ignore the oxygen thieving fat unhealthy sofa warriors with their mental illness. just get out and have fun
Spot on mate, having fun is what it's all about 👍
TH-camrs like yourself are why I have YT premium,that and uninterrupted music when I fancy some tunes...I find getting the prospective of a rider with similar abilities is much more interesting than a "sender" doing backflips and 900foot gaps 😂
Totally with you, it's relatable.
I do like watching channels of people doing stuff I can't do; Iain Richard for instance, he does stuff I wouldn't dream of attempting but it's the laughs they have, them falling off and howling with laughter at each other, etc., that draws me in. Jono Jones is an example of a pro whose videos I watch because again, he's always having the time of his life; you can tell that bikes are so important to him and that him and his mates are having fun