This is true innovation. Why do cars like this always seem to get banned from competition or be commercial failures? We need innovators and dreamers in this world.
Ferrariman601 Wow. You and HSG in the same comment section. This must be a wet dream. And hey, nowadays the elites in racing want more "safety" which bans stuff like turbines and vacuum cars and brings stuff like that damn halo on F1. As if F1 isn't safe enough.
As a kid building models of many turbines in their hay day , I never thought I would get to ride in one!!!! Now for a Chaparral 2E.......... Mike Fifer
@teamlaguna Also K.E.R.S. was ment in F1 to be used in conjunction with a normal race-engine to recuparate energy lost from braking , not as somekind of generator. Thank you for peaking my interest in Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems, the wiki was quite informative.
I think I meant overall efficiency but I could be a tad too optimistic in that I was comparing apples to oranges, mainly because in helicopters they transitioned early from piston to turbine. The compactness, high rotational speed made it for helicopters that their efficiency increased. It could be more in the order of 75-65%
Apparently this car, which is the one that's in Europe, and the only closed top one, was fitted with an Alison 250C18 engine instead of the Continental.
MajorLeague I doubt it very much. The gas velocity is not that high. This is a helicopter engine - a turbo shaft. It is not intended to produce exhaust thrust. Any benefit would be negligible.
There's a formula for turbine shaft power vs thrust power and the Howmet would have fairly significant thrust. However the exhaust design doesn't maximise what's available.
I guess its a good thing that turbines havent been that sucessful, otherwise the spoilsports making the racing rules would have probably banned them, just like rotarys, longtails, and aero fans. : /
Unless you have a distillery that can produce enough ethanol or methanol at cost. You still need some kind of raw corn , wheat or other sugar containing produce that can give you enough fuel and your distillery costs have to be low enough.
I met this guy in Le Mans Classic 2012. This car is parked near from Paris, and the driver as a kind of problem with his left hand, that's why he don't wear gloves. This car is really fantastic but it must need to much gaz !
@teamlaguna O.K. this helicopter turbine technology was used in 1968. The Howmet had a couple of drawbacks . 1) In warm weather the turbine was less efficient then its counterparts (view other older videos of this car). 2) Fuel consumption by todays standards would be a bitch, if you would drive this thing now it would be from gaspump to gaspump with your wallet on the passenger seat.
In optimal circumstances a turbine produces 80% useful energy compared to a piston engine with it's measly 30% , but the drawback is that it has to be at an continuous rate. You haven't seen a helicopter accelerating away like a Bugatti do ya? that's the rub. If you had a turbine paired with a generator feeding a couple of electric motors , maybe that could work. And have a battery bank buffering sudden accelerations, maybe then....?
@teamlaguna Ooh! Like that, somewhere on youtube there is already somebody trying this, using a Capstone microturbine look for CMT380 blackbird. Although there is no mention of consumption rate of fuel, AFAIK it couldn't be that efficient + try having a conversation with your girlfriend when such a puppy kicks in to charge your batteries , talk about noise abatement!
This engine can reach speeds of over 50,000 RPM compared to today's piston engines that can only reach 10,000 RPM. I'm not criticizing the use of piston engines they do have their practical purposes but they are a lot more complex then a turbine engine.
Zooming up Eau Rouge I wonder if the driver was tempted to pull back on the steering wheel...
johcafra low altitude, pull up!
V1, rotate...😜
@@RFi731 Terrain. Terrain. Pull up!
Every time I hear these things run, I have the Gerry Anderson "Thunderbirds" theme running in my head.
Beautiful bits of kit... :)
With the response delay of a gas turbine, the pilot has to think two turns ahead :) What a beast, and I just love that sound :)
This is true innovation. Why do cars like this always seem to get banned from competition or be commercial failures?
We need innovators and dreamers in this world.
Ferrariman601 Wow. You and HSG in the same comment section. This must be a wet dream. And hey, nowadays the elites in racing want more "safety" which bans stuff like turbines and vacuum cars and brings stuff like that damn halo on F1. As if F1 isn't safe enough.
It´s a 1968 car... Check Chrysler Turbine as well.
The golden rule in racing: "If you can't beat them, BAN them."
There goes Rotary, Diesel, Turbine, Linear Electric...
As a kid building models of many turbines in their hay day , I never thought I would get to ride in one!!!!
Now for a Chaparral 2E..........
Mike Fifer
..Fantastic Machine! greats sounds along the straights
250mph after eau-rouge?!
Jeffo Jon J No way. Only makes about 370 hp.
@@thethirdman225 But it uses reduction gearing because of the massive RPM. The effective torque is incredible.
Not 250 but it can push 200.
FATDEEMAN I know how it works. I’m just sick of exaggeration.
@teamlaguna Also K.E.R.S. was ment in F1 to be used in conjunction with a normal race-engine to recuparate energy lost from braking , not as somekind of generator.
Thank you for peaking my interest in Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems, the wiki was quite informative.
2:50 proves how nasty fast Lola T70 Coupes are
cobrafan427 no shit
I wonder if he has jet lag at the end of a race......
Thank you so much for posting this. Always wanted to know what it'd look and sound like behind the wheel of this awesome machine.
I want one!
Saw it at Le Mans classic, not the most beautiful race car but one of the most distinctive. Seems to handle very well on the track!
Just wish I could make out the speedometer.
My guess: Really damn fast.
xrayracer1 'Murica, fuck yeah.
(Still not as fast as the Gillet Vertigo, I bet)
who gives a shit. this is from the 60's
MajorLeague Exactly. They didn’t have a speedometer but the engine revs somewhere north of 60,000 RPM.
What BEAUTIFUL Old school technology , HYBRIDS could learn something from this ! Mark my word !
On the left is a speedometer and on the right is a rev counter, right?
He ate that Daytona for breakfast and the Carrera 6 for lunch, but got served up to that T70 for dinner.
What does it feel like to drive that thing???
Innovation is what modern day racing needs.
I think I meant overall efficiency but I could be a tad too optimistic in that I was comparing apples to oranges, mainly because in helicopters they transitioned early from piston to turbine. The compactness, high rotational speed made it for helicopters that their efficiency increased. It could be more in the order of 75-65%
is low altitude flying considered racing?)
Amazing car! Where did you find the engine? I read that after 1968 the engines were sold back to Continental.
Apparently this car, which is the one that's in Europe, and the only closed top one, was fitted with an Alison 250C18 engine instead of the Continental.
@boinkboink1968 You are missing my point , HYBRIDS could use a microturbine to run a K.E.R.S. type setup ......
What a glorious machine
355hp
The thrust out the back is a bonus as well.
Scott Hammons No, it doesn’t use exhaust thrust for power. It would be too dangerous for other cars anyway.
MajorLeague I doubt it very much. The gas velocity is not that high. This is a helicopter engine - a turbo shaft. It is not intended to produce exhaust thrust. Any benefit would be negligible.
There's a formula for turbine shaft power vs thrust power and the Howmet would have fairly significant thrust. However the exhaust design doesn't maximise what's available.
57k rpm ?
I guess its a good thing that turbines havent been that sucessful, otherwise the spoilsports making the racing rules would have probably banned them, just like rotarys, longtails, and aero fans. : /
::: HammerStudiosGaming ::: Love your vids man. I wish this were in GT Sport
WARP SPEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!
Unless you have a distillery that can produce enough ethanol or methanol at cost.
You still need some kind of raw corn , wheat or other sugar containing produce that can give you enough fuel and your distillery costs have to be low enough.
I met this guy in Le Mans Classic 2012. This car is parked near from Paris, and the driver as a kind of problem with his left hand, that's why he don't wear gloves.
This car is really fantastic but it must need to much gaz !
You got me there.
That beast must have some bodacious brakes!
My ev sounds somewhat similar
How much boost do ya want?
Yes...
I'd kill to have this in Forza.
@teamlaguna O.K. this helicopter turbine technology was used in 1968. The Howmet had a couple of drawbacks . 1) In warm weather the turbine was less efficient then its counterparts (view other older videos of this car). 2) Fuel consumption by todays standards would be a bitch, if you would drive this thing now it would be from gaspump to gaspump with your wallet on the passenger seat.
Sounds like the speed demon on the back of your shoulder. Or something like that :-)
0:29 ready for take-off
If this car had wings, it would fly after eau-rouge. :D
each time it accelerates i'm expecting it to take off in the air hahaha
COOL !
In optimal circumstances a turbine produces 80% useful energy compared to a piston engine with it's measly 30% , but the drawback is that it has to be at an continuous rate. You haven't seen a helicopter accelerating away like a Bugatti do ya? that's the rub. If you had a turbine paired with a generator feeding a couple of electric motors , maybe that could work. And have a battery bank buffering sudden accelerations, maybe then....?
NICE !
Ver y good hogar speed Argent
How fast are they going ? More info on the build please.
@teamlaguna Ooh! Like that, somewhere on youtube there is already somebody trying this, using a Capstone microturbine look for CMT380 blackbird.
Although there is no mention of consumption rate of fuel, AFAIK it couldn't be that efficient + try having a conversation with your girlfriend when such a puppy kicks in to charge your batteries , talk about noise abatement!
オールージュでは空飛んでくかと思った（笑）
Radical 1968
80 % efficiency for mechanical energy ? are you sure? Combined cycle gas turbines only reaches 60 % of efficiency...
So quiet.
Too slow! Needs an engine upgrade. Throw a General Electric T64 in there and rename Howmet TXXX Super Stallion🔥
This engine can reach speeds of over 50,000 RPM compared to today's piston engines that can only reach 10,000 RPM. I'm not criticizing the use of piston engines they do have their practical purposes but they are a lot more complex then a turbine engine.
Turbines can be run off of pure alcohol.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY.
what kind of engine is this?
Helicopter turbine.
@geowin97
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