I've Been In or Driven All the New 2024 Midsize Trucks and I Compare Them
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- You asked for it and you got it! Publisher Tim Esterdahl shares his knowledge after being in and driving most of the new 2024 midsize trucks on the market.
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Here’s a link to what’s new for 2024 midsize trucks: pickuptrucktalk.com/2023/11/whats-new-for-the-2024-midsize-trucks/
I was looking to buy the Colorado. Test drove it 3 times, but in the end, I purchased Frontier Pro4x. I enjoyed it more and Nissan went 4k below msrp and was willing to give more for my trade in. I have had the Frontier for a few months now and I really like it. No turbo and It doesn't need it. It is peppy and has plenty of power.
Kid has an SV and what a great truck. Very solid feeling, He's had it for 4 months now and runs great, plenty of power, decent gas mileage
How much if u dont mind me asking. Looking to maybe get one if everything goes to plan.
Frontier is the best truck ever made! The colorado can shove its extra 200 foot pounds of torque at 2000 rpm up its tailpipe
@@thewireman134 lol!
Exactly, that extra torque dont mean much if it's always in the shop.@@thewireman134
The Frontier makes so much sense now.
I think towing is important now in mid-size due to the cost of full-size trucks. I downsized to a Nissan Frontier due to costs and I tow my 22' boat with it. Towing matters now more than ever.
Nope, people aren’t going to be towing over 5,000 pounds with mid size trucks. Heck most people don’t tow over 7,000 with a half ton, no need to increase meaningless max tow numbers
And bed configuration, work trucks are supposed to be cheap and capable, that's what a full sized truck is missing. Cheap. Not even the 3/4 tons are cheap anymore. At the current price points mid size trucks need to be able to tow and haul loads, nevermind this off road bullshit that manufacturers have in their heads
@@agentcarderthey don't need to increase the numbers. They have to make it better for towing. More confidence inspiring, better low end torque. Older outgoing V6s might have the power but when your cruising between 2500-3000 rpm at 75mph just to be in the torque band with an enclosed trailer doesn't leave many thinking their truck has enough power to pull a load.
@@agentcarder not true. My boat is about 5,500 lbs loaded down. I wouldn't even consider a midsize that didn't tow over 6,000.
@@agentcarderwrong
Tim, THANK YOU for following up and doing this video.
I have been in pickup research mode since the Spring, 2020 as a pandemic hobby trolling the dealership lots on Sunday afternoons when they are closed with a Starbucks and a pup cup for Gibbs, the Mississippi Maltese!
As empty nesters 7 to 9 years ago, Laura and I purchased a small fiberglass camper in November, 2015. We purchased a 2005 Casita 17 Freedom Deluxe. It is about 2,900 lbs loaded. I had never towed, so in December, 2015, we purchased a 2009 Kia Borrego Limited V8 (335 hp/327 lb ft of torque) rated to tow 7,500 lbs in December, 2015. It was Kia’s answer to the Toyota 4 Runner, but much less expensive than used 4 Runners in 2015.
We love camping! Since 2016, we have camped 374 nights, towed 32,000 miles, and visited 15 states! I got lucky in 2021 and was able to retire early at 58.5 years old, but the early retirement meant no new toys until early social security at the end of 2024. I know more about trucks than anyone I know that does not own a truck!!! I did have a beater 1967 Chevy C10 that I inherited and used for 15 years or so to haul mulch and a few other things. I also learned to drive in the late 1970s on a 1968 Jeep Gladiator that my dad used to haul diesel fuel and chain saws for his logging business.
Currently, all six mid-size trucks are on my short list. The biggest surprise for me is the Colorado/Canyon going from irrelevant to being on my radar. I will also cross shop all 1/2 ton trucks in a base trim and mildly optioned. Of course, I am budget conscious, but there may be some overlap between mid-trim midsize trucks and base 1/2 ton trucks, so the 1/2 ton may be a better option in terms of value. However, we prefer the size and drivability of mid-size trucks.
Actually, towing and payload are very important to; however, we are only towing 2,900 lbs, but we tow over 4,000 miles per years. When we purchased the Borrego in December, 2015, it had 83,000 miles on it. It currently has 160,000. Of those 77,000 miles, 32,000 were towing. So, I expect over 40% of our driving to be towing, possibly more as we do longer trips in the future. For me, payload is more important than towing since any mid-size truck rated to tow 5,000 lbs or more will tow our Casita. I am shocked at how low the payload is on some mid-size trucks, particularly with off-road oriented trucks. Speaking of off-road, I don’t need an off-road truck, but still want to have 4WD/AWD for camping, forest service roads, and winter driving.
Regarding the trucks, it is interesting that we have 6 trucks with 3 of them being turbocharged 4 cylinders and 3 of them being normally aspirated 6 cylinders. My summative thoughts. . .
Turbocharged 4 Cylinder Trucks:
2024 Toyota Tacoma - Wow! Love the look (exterior and interior). Love the range of trims. I would lean SR5, TRD Sport, or TRD OffRoad; however, a bit concerned that the TRD Sport and OffRoad could get pricey depending on how it is optioned. I also like that it can be optioned with a 6’ bed. Since we are considering a 1/2 ton truck, a Tacoma with a 6’ bed might be a sweet spot??? Price, particularly dealer markups, are probably its biggest drawback for me. I am also wondering if Toyota did enough to address mediocre payload in the previous generation Tacoma? I want about 1500 lbs of payload.
2024 GMC/Chevy Canyon/Colorado - LOVE the styling inside and out. Would probably lean Canyon over Colorado. Biggest question for me, are they reliable? Is that revised 8 speed transmission significantly more reliable than the previous generation that is suffering with class action litigation.
2024 Ford Ranger - Long history of turbocharged engines with their EcoBoost line up. I like the interior. I am lukewarm on the exterior. I don’t think Ford did enough with the new 2024 Ranger.
Normally Aspirated 6 Cylinder Trucks:
2024 Honda Ridgeline - LOL, yes it is a pickup truck!!! ;) I actually like many of the features associated with the Ridgeline, including ride quality, rear seat room and the ability to have a flat floor with the seats folded up to haul camping gear, multifunction tailgate, in bed trunk, and, ironically, some of the best real word payload in the mid-size market. I also like Honda’s AWD system. I like the TrailSport trim for 2024. I am not a chrome guy and, historically, too much chrome on the RTL and RTL-E trims; and, the Black Edition is getting too expensive.
2024 Nissan Frontier - I like the look. Nice all around truck. Biggest issue is payload. I am not impressed with its real world payload. Also, crash ratings are mediocre. Interesting that it can be optioned with a 6’ bed.
2024 Jeep Gladiator - Most Gladiator trims will be too expensive for my budget. Plus, I prefer the Sport in order to get the max tow package. Not that familiar with their refresh. However, the Gladiator is a bit of sentimental favorite since I learned to drive a ‘68 Gladiator in the late 1970s. However, price and value trump sentimentality! ;)
I do wonder a bit if I will miss the torque of my Borrego’s V8 (325 lb ft) if we go with a 6 cylinder mid-size truck. A friend that has towed a small “egg” camper with a V8 Dodge Dakota, a V6 Dodge Durango, and currently, with a 2.3L Ecoboost Ford Ranger does not think I will miss the V8 torque since our Borrego had a ZF 6 speed transmission and all modern mid-size pickups have 8 to 10 speed transmissions. Finally, I value reliability and safety, so those are variables that I pay attention to as well.
In any case, over the years, your channel is one of my three favorite channels for getting real world truck information. I appreciate the work that Jill and you do. Again, thanks for this discussion of the mid-size truck market.
wow, what a long comment. I had to refill my drink, 1/2 way thru it. LOL
@@Boobtube. I had two cups of coffee before I got started! I was fully caffeinated!!! ;)
@@deanmay338 only 2? I'd hate to see the result of 3 or more cups.
@@Boobtube. Ha! Touché! ;)
I’m not a midsize truck person, however, the variety of midsize trucks and options today give the consumer a plethora of choices.
Hi Tim,
Great in comparing all the midsize pickups very helpful
Thanks for sharing.
Towing my camper was a huge factor in my decision to buy a Colorado.
I prefer the mellower styling of the new Ranger vs. the new Tacoma, but I trust Toyota's reliability more. Leaning towards the Tacoma for this reason, but I think I'll wait a few years for all the manufacturing "gremlins" to be worked out before I make my choice between the 2...
Love my 23 Frontier Pro 4x
It’s super close between all the mid-size trucks & I love it! The Tacoma TRD Pro & Off Road are my favorite but at $52k+ it’s too expensive. I will be buying the Colorado Trail Boss at $42k, with the skid plate package.
Excellent choice, I bought mine for 41,100 every option but skid plate option, but did get the 430# torque calibration!
I use to own a 2013 F-150 Platinum with the 3.5 Ecobost, Max trailer with 3:73 gears. It was an amazing truck. I’ve never owned a pickup that could pull as well up to 12,000 lbs. I did not tow a lot. I pulled a Skid Steer (9000+ lbs) and I towed a car trailer and car that was 4000-5000 lbs. I also pulled a cargo trailer that weighed a little 5500 lbs.
My son attended a military school in Virginia near Charlottesville. We drove from Cleveland (Westlake) Ohio 1-2 times a month to see him or attend some kind of function with him. The speed limit was 65-70 and I usually set my cruise control. I did always run regular gasoline. I had a hard bed cover and ran Michelins LTX MS2 tires and I kept the air pressure, alignment and maintenance of the truck in absolute perfect order. Typically we got 21 mpg average on the drive down to Charlottesville and we got 19.5-20 on the way back. I could never figure out why the difference. We made this trip almost 50 times. The mileage was always the same. Oh, I did have the big tow mirrors also.
I was sold on the Ecoboost from that time forward. NOW! I did have a turbo go out around 50,000 miles. I was thankful for a 7-year 100,000 ford warranty. I sold the truck at 75,000-80,000 range to a good friend. He lost the other turbo at about 95,000 miles and it was covered under the warranty.
Other than loosing both turbos… neither of us had trouble. But had we not had the warranty…… we both would have had to shell out about $1600 each.
I’m 6’6” 300 lbs and pull around a pretty good sized boat so a midsize truck really isn’t for me. In 2020 I looked pretty hard at a new F150 with an ecoboost. But long term reliability is the biggest factor for me. Last truck I had for 13 years and 250k miles. I personally would not be impressed with blowing out 2 turbos in just 95k miles. I finally had a good friend who’s a big Ford guy and has owned 2 ecoboost F150 say unless you’re willing to trade out every 2-3 years I’d stay with your Tundra. Which I finally did. The Tundra (second generation) is nothing special but it is reliable.
Great content! Thank you!
Tim, I voted for the comparison and you did well.
As far as towing, let’s be honest trucks are more a status symbol at this point. I’ve been all over and I hardly see people towing or carrying loads. It’s an occasional thing that the lower level trucks can handle but we go for the bells and whistles and regardless of what we all claim MPGs absolutely matter.
When comparing them/discussing them, I’d do so as long as the trim levels are the same; i.e. ZR2 vs TRD Pro vs Raptor, base model vs base model, etc.
I like how you focused on the base and mid level trim tiers of the trucks. Which is what 90% of truck buyers will buy.
Great video ,your knowledge is incredible 👍how did your deer lease end up ? Mostly Muledeer in your region . 👍
Ridgeline for the win. Unless you actually rock-crawl, the Ridgeline is the best in every other category...
Engine good for 200,000 miles.
Best handling.
Best gas mileage.
Most shoulder room (in any seat).
Most efficient rear seating/storage area.
4x8 sheet of anything lays flat in bed.
In-bed trunk.
Swing-out tailgate (allows you to use bumper as step to easily get into bed. Also means you don't have to load 'over' the tailgate).
Tows up to 5k lbs, if you need more than that get a full size pickup.
Does not have cheap-ass 'macho' styling.
We have a 2017 Ridgeline and love it. If only they built something a little more powerful for towing, we'd be upgrading to whatever that was. Unfortunately though we need a little more than 5000lbs for our RV. While we can tow it with the Ridgeline it struggles a bit.
@@johnjwatsonjr3835sounds like you’re moving up to a full size truck then!?
No a mid-size Canyon should do just fine which is what we're looking at.
@@johnjwatsonjr3835 test drive the ridgeline first. The ride is better. There is TONS more interior space - both in the front seats - and in the back seats.
@@johnjwatsonjr3835
Same here, just needs a little more. I was looking at the Ranger, might wait for the 2.7 go come out.
Cheers
I'm happy with my decision. 2024 colorado trail boss. I need to tow a camper and the 7,700 towing with trailer brake controller is awesome for a midsize truck.
A step on the rock rail works great on the ZR2. It is removable and an option.
Good video as always Tim.
How do the quality (not features) of the interior/ trim pieces compare between the Tacoma, Canyon, Ranger, Gladiator and Frontier?
I would also like to mention a couple things I noticed.
- The new Colorado is actually rated at 7700lbs ...slightly more than the Gladiator...not that most ppl would tow that much anyway lol.
- something that is not talked about much but could be really important is the 4Auto setting that come standard on all 4x4 GM/Chevy trims.....its not even an option for most other manufacturers unless you go for the higher / more expensive trims.
Having owned vehicles with and without 4Auto , and living in an area with snow, i have found this feature valuable on those slippery mornings when the roads are sometimes bare but some snow patches here and there.
- The other thing is the Colorados are not all off road focused, you can get a WT,LT neither of which are lifted. Even the Z71 is not lifted, its more of an on road package now (with the G80 locker). The only two trims that are lifted / off road focused are the TrailBoss and the ZR2.
You are correct about the Canyon lineup all being lifted.
I'd probably go Nissan Frontier in this category. No matter what anyone tries to say, turbo 4s feel very unrefined in their power delivery compared to V6/V8. Sometimes you get too much power and other times it feels dead. Most of the 8-10 speeds don't feel very smooth with these turbos either. In my mind it makes the whole experience cheaper and beneath the price point of these vehicles. V6 turbos feel much better/linear so I have nothing against turbos in general. Depending on your terrain/weather conditions and load you "might" get better mpgs with turbos. Will they really be as reliable long term....obviously "no" on the average.
I like the Tacoma TRD Off Road and the GMC Canyon AT4.
Hey great video, this was really helpful. I just wanted to mention the Chevy Colorado Z71 is the more premium on road focused trim, that doesn’t come with any lift from the factory
Last comment. I really like tall trucks. I’ve drive a little over 2 million miles since the 1970’s. I’ve driven everything from a 1946 Ford flat head 1-ton pickup to the most latest HD pickups. I also drive a 100,000+ airliner at 30-40k feet lol…
I believe visibility is better in tall pickups. My family loves full size pickups or SUV’s for road trips. Agree, the taller trucks are a bit harder to get in and out of.
I’m nearing retirement and now just carry grown kids and grandkids.
I would buy a mid size but just can’t get three grandsons in the back comfortably for long drives.
FYI. The Ridgeline’s infotainment and the gauge cluster has already been updated for 2024
I just test drove the trailsport, it was nice. Such a well thought out functional truck.
Cheers
So many trucks, so many you tube reviews. How the heck do you narrow down my next truck. It’s crazy, they all look nice.
This segment has gotten limp. Where's the value? Previous compact trucks offered a distinct slot for value conscious buyers. No more, not when compacts are selling for north of FORTY grand.
I drove them all. I bought the Ranger. Extremely satisfied. I really wanted the Tacoma but it felt 10 years older than the ranger.
Hey Tim, great comparison. I am really interested on the rust and corrosion treatment between the 2024's of the Frontier, Tacoma and the Ranger. I saw one forum comment that the Tacoma uses s a "Wet film" on the inside of their frames. Not seeing much talk or reviews, even on the assembly line of how they combat the rust problem. Any input? A video review would be great since these three mentioned cost a small fortune that you expect to last for years.
Love my 2024 Nissan Frontier SV 4x4 King Cab
That’s because you had the off road versions of the Colorado. The WT and LT aren’t as off-road capable as those trucks. Especially if you get them in 2WD you don’t get a locking diff. You have an open rear diff. But value wise you are getting (aside from the maverick) the cheapest new crew cab pickup you can buy, starting at 30k.
You do good reviews !
Glad you like them!
😂yeah sorry that turbo is really nice. I was all in for the Colorado trailboss. But nissan frontier engine will last me a long while. I dont trade in vehicles often so... im okay with a good strong reliable engine.
Many of us prefer to rely on testing of vehicles by the Consumers Union. RELIABILITY is key.
Excellent video Tim! Thank you!
How fast they feel off the line also has to do with curb weight and final drive ratio including tire size and weight. If the hybrid has an extra 500lbs of batteries it negates the torque.
I just drove a new Nissan Frontier Pro 4X the other day. I was really impressed by it. It was more comfortable than any truck I've been in lately, and It handled very well. I really would consider it but I jsut think trucks cost to much, and my new truck buying days are over. But I have to say that that Nissan was very nice. I really wanted it.
I went to buy one 2 separate times and walked away then said F it I'm out on Nissan. 1st time the dealer kept messing with the price after we agreed on a price. 2nd time they had 15 trucks and the one I was getting the dampening on the tailgate didn't work and worked on every other truck... I said that's enough of a sign for me 😂 they can't even check that before leaving the factory and no way in hell I'm buying a new truck and the mechanic has to look at it before I leave the dealership
@@KParks I had a bad experience with the salesperson I got as well. I almost walked before I even looked at the truck. He was very unprofessional. But I played it off because I wanted to drive one. And yeah I'm pretty much going to stay away from Nissan too.
@@jaylee8542 We literally agreed on a price I had stuff to do so I told him I'll be back in 2 hours have the truck out and everything, in my mind it was a done deal. Drove 40 min back like I said I would and the truck still on the showroom floor and the price was 5k more than what he said ok too when I left. Cursed him out for wasting our time and left. My dad came with me when he was supposed to be farming and he was more pissed than I was haha. I seen the truck there 2 months later so idk but he saved me from buying the truck I guess.
@@KParks Yeah good for you walking out. He probably thought you wouldn't be back. I think he was a dishonest guy. Dishonest people never think anyone is telling them the truth. The guy I was working with actually told me to go back to the Ram dealership that I was used to. All because I told him I felt like the way he was going about things was backwards and I was growing impatient. He wanted to take my credit, and was apprasing my truck all before showing me the truck I made the appointment to see. I would normally have left but I really wanted to drive the NIssan. His manager told me to at least drive the truck, even after I told him there was no way in hell I'd buy one from him.
great video, the issue with turbo is also do with its ratio with the transmission, Tacoma V6 have less gear ratio and more powerful gear then the new 8 transmission with 2.4 turbo, also wear and tear on turbo is much higher and request constant oil change and know how to deal with a turbo, what will be the price for a new turbo if its dead ? no one knows.
Im glad he said everyone doesnt want a full size truck regardless of mpg or price. If i wanted drive a fkn school bus i would buy one.
The work truck is not targeted to offer. The LTS not targeted to offer. They both don't have a lift so they're offered. Trucks are the trail loss and Z72 and Z71 is appearance package? It's not targeted for offering. It's more luxurious.
Disagree on the view on towing. I own a mid-size truck and a full size truck. I tow appropriate loads for the rating of each truck. Many times I use my mid-size for towing unless I need to tow and ocean liner up the beach!
Its not my view. I don't just come up with these things. Automakers tell me these things.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I find that very interesting because I see quite a few midsized pickups towing trailers. (Usually, they are the old ones on their third owner and are being pushed into the work truck position.) Today I saw a Rivian pulling a box trailer for their driveway refurbishing/painting business.
As does the GM 4 cylinder 2.7... and at a much lower RPM. talk about towing grunt.
Ridgeline is a road trip monster. If I could touch one for under 40 I'd be all in.
People wish to know what the mid-size truck payload/towing figures are because they wish to have a less expensive alternative to a half ton. Many buyers wish to pull a travel trailer that could be met by some mid-size. That is why I was looking at them, plus the ease of city driving conditions. What made me decide to go with a F-150 instead was due to the small fuel tanks in the midsize and not any appreciable mpg improvement. With the 3.5 F-150 I also may more leeway on payload and towing, an increased safety margin.
The issue with pulling a travel trailer with a midsize truck isn't the weight. It is the vertical footprint of the trailer with regards to wind. A larger travel trailer will move the midsize truck around the road a lot more than the wider and longer fullsize truck.
This is where I'm at myself in looking to get into a truck soon. With prices coming down, I'm seeing 2021-2022 full size trucks in the high 40's and low 50's, with under 20k miles, which to me is still basically new. I know it's NOT new, so it's not an apples to apples comparison, but if I can get a ~2-3 year old full size, CPO, that gets the same MPG, same features, and more room and capability, I'm struggling to see the reason I'd go with one of these new mid sizes, even though I like them, other than that they'll fit in my garage better.
People shouldn’t be though. Buy the right truck for the job.
@@Pickuptrucktalk This is true, but I wonder if the buyers of midsized pickups don't mind this characteristic since it allows them to have a higher trim level or fancier options that they wouldn't be able to afford in a full sized truck or maybe they only tow once or twice a year, so it's not that big a deal.
I came to the same conclusion. That is why I bought the 3.5 F-150 XLT. I bought a 2024 at invoice out-of-state. I looked at used, but the prices were so high it made sense to spend a little more for new and a warranty. Good luck on your search. @@DeJoe8
True Turbos have been around for a long time and in sport cars and diesel trucks. Now they are placing them in gas trucks and there is a huge difference. Diesel trucks run cool compared and at a much lower RPM. Much lower in the area at most is 2500 RPM and gas 4 cylinders will get to maybe 7000 RPM. That is going to cause a lot more heat and friction. So sports cars rev even higher. True, but not when towing and putting more of a strain on the engine. So when towing there will be more heat. If you don't tow or hardly tow, no problem. If you tow, more turbos will fail and most likely engine issue will be more common too. Chevrolet has said that the new engine they have gets worse gas mileage than the outgoing V6, So...... I would purchase a new Jeep Gladiator before any and the Nissan or Toyota next. It really doesn't matter much, GM, Ford and Stellantis will be out of business soon due to the crazy push by the Government for EV, which is a huge failure. Look at Toyota venturing with China on Ammonia fuel.
During the second Great Depression, the best truck is the one that you can actually find on a lot.
I want to know from the commenters, how many of you cross shop these pickups at the dealer? How many of you go to different dealers to test drive these pickups or do you winnow the choice to one before hitting the store?
I checked them out at the auto show and among the crew cabs I liked the Gladiator the best. It has a bed I can reach into easily and touch the floor of it. Plus I like the tow rating.
I’ll watch until the Cybertruck reveal. you understand, right!
how long is your garage?
towing is definitely important
Turbo does require more frequent oil changes as there are oil dilution issues. Engine longevity is a concern due to direct injection.
I am 50 years old. I just want a truck to start everyday and do what I need it to do for 250k miles. Don't need 3 foot screens and a digital dash. Give me the basic info. Less is more to me. And there will be less things to repair and replace over time.
Agreed, I dont need a full iPad screen and a turbo replacement is like 8-10k to fix at the dealership. They do use more oil so if you don't stay on top of it you'll be in trouble.
Fords Godzilla is naturally aspirated and if I'm not mistaken uses a TBI instead of Direct injection and no variable Piston BS. The drawback....it's 7.3L, it's all about compromise LOL
Lived with a taco, carpooled in a gladiator, test drove a ranger. Honda Ridgline for the win. Large displays is for sport championship games & iPads. I regret nothing, the end.
So, am I taking away that I shouldn't get the 2024 Frontier pro 4X? I'm searching for a rugged-on road daily driver but a rugged trail riding off roader. I'm just not sure which one. Love to get something lifted with bigger tires.
Nothing wrong with buying a 2024 Frontier Pro 4x. It is a solid truck.
Towing matters to me in a truck.
Im pulling a 4k pound trailer everyday. Dropping down to a 4 cylinder is a hard convince over the long run
I'm waiting to see if Honda brings out a new Ridgeline hybrid pickup and when this happens I'll be in their showroom to purchase one. All the other mid-size trucks have less rear legroom than the current Ridgeline and I want more rear rear seat legroom for my passengers.
Ridgeline isn't a true truck, so doesn't get mentioned in true truck comparisons. It is on a unibody, the same as a minivan.
Yeah, the Ridgeline to me is more of a suburban person pickup / car with a bed that is meant mostly for non truck stuff but can handle some light duty pickup stuff when needed. What it does it does really well though.
I was a little surprised to find Honda fridgeline sales price was about $45k - that's much less than I though it would be - and you get he 4wd for that price. I'm fed up with Detroit's junk engines, and Honda looks tempting at that price.
Ridgelines are nice BUT can't get past the fact that they still have a timing belt with an interference engine!
As nice as these are I'm leaning towards a last/current Gen truck. I can get what I want for about $10k less used.
Just picked up a new Ranger myself
I gotta wait for the crash test results
How do they compare to the V6 Frontier? If I were to buy today it would probably be the Frontier.
Nissan is buy used truck company. New overpriced and loses value quickly. Good truck but not worth it new….
@@nordlandak6853 Good point. I never thought of it like that.
@nordlandak6853 New Pro 4x has a good resale value already. Good dealer discounts too. 5 year warranty and 100k. Bought my 2023 $4k off MSRP and 1 year and 20k extra warranty. Frontier prices hold well.
@@Blue-moon12 not in Alaska.
Everyone is worried about turbo reliability. But, I grew up driving my father's 1987 Buick Gran National. 3.8L Turbo V6. That was fun! I drive a 2019 Tundra now, but I'm kinda looking forward to driving a turbo charged truck someday! These low RPM torque numbers sound fun!
I drive a Maverick truck turbo AWD with 4k tow capacity I show in my content. It is fast and fun. Tracks great through mud and snow too. It's small but the bed is only 6" shorter than a 4 door Tacoma or the new Ranger. Paid msrp $30,710.
Glad I’m not in the market for a new one. Keeping my 3rd gen 🌮 as long as possible.
You spent a lot of time on torque and when tq come on, but you got to consider gearing.
1st gear ratios on 2024 midsize trucks:
Taco 4.4
GM 4.5
Ford 4.7
Nissan 5.4
So just because tq comes on sooner in the rpm, doesn’t necessarily mean faster of the line. So while Tacoma may have peak tq at 1700 rpm, it also has the lowest 1st gear ratio. On the other hand, Nissan has the lowest tq but the highest 1st gear ratio.
I want to downsize to a mid-size truck, but I still want a decent towing capacity. So the Colorado/Canyon and Ranger are the only choice because they have 7700 and 7500 pounds respectively. I was wanting to go with the Colorado LT because it doesn't have a lift, but the cloth seat material is as rough as sandpaper, and the passenger seat has no height adjustment and sits way too low. The Ranger has much nicer cloth material for the seats and they are not as stiff. Plus the passenger seat has height adjustment - both manual and power depending on options. Chevy REALLY needs to address this as they lost a sale because of that alone.
With the exception of pricing, never been a better time to by a pickup or SUV. So many choices and platforms depending on the use.
Too many choices
I'm not asking for a infotainment screen , just want a solid truck that doesn't run on software that crashes
Mid size towing is the most important stat after mpg
I bought a new 2022 Tacoma SR5 ext cab truck and the doors did open on it, they called it access cab, why on earth would they quit making that?
Which one has the most rear seat leg room not including Honda and jeep?
Colorado or Ranger by an 1" over Tacoma or Frontier.
The 2.4L 326hp and 465 torque iforce max Tacoma has more torque than the Dodge Ram 2500 6.4 V8 Hemi at 429 torque
The turbomax 2.7 even makes the 6.4 look silly..
Even tho I think GM dropped the ball on the roll-out, updates, and execution of the Colorado/Canyon, I would still rather have one over the new Tacoma. Ranger would be a close 2nd. I just can't get myself to like anything new from Toyota. Their trucks are dog ugly and are more geared towards the average soyboy instead of more masculine styles offered by Ford and GM.
Honda Ridgeline is outperforming all.
I like the long bed option on the Tacoma. I’m assuming their keeping this option in the new generation
Truthfully. I’d consider a canyon or Colorado if they offered a long bed. Heck I’d consider a ranger. But these manufacturers don’t see value in the long bed mid size
Drag race 'em!
I think a lot of full size 1/2 ton pickup owners would buy a mid size if they could get a 6.5’ bed and a payload 1500-1700 and towing at 9,000-10,000 lbs.
I have a lot of work experience with full size and “compact” pickups all the way back to the 1970’s. I found the compact trucks Toyotas and rangers, single cab of the 1980’s and 90’s were really handy as a “secondary” vehicle. However thy simply were not capable or roomy enough to replace a full sized pickup. Now, today’s full size pickups have more power and better brakes than a 3/4 ton pickup of 1995. But their beds are not large enough and the payload is too small.
An episode suggestion: talk to various engineers and discuss how RPM, boost, and rod and crankshaft bearing wear are interrelated. For example is there and measurable differences in bearing wear at 1700 RPM and max load and 3000 RPM and max load. How do the new low viscosity oils deal with this? Are variable output oil pumps calibrated to deliver higher volumes/pressure under max load? Toyota, GM, Ford engineers as well as Lake Speed Jr. to get a tribologist’s point of view
As a previous 3rd gen Tacoma owner the thing i hated was the drivetrain(hunting gears, SLOW) and lastly the rear seat room with rear facing child car seats, reason I traded it for an F150. With that said my 2018 F150 XLT 4x4 Crew cab Ecoboost has been reliable (62k miles) and with plenty of power (tuned). Issue is I get 15mpgs with my driving (oh well). I tow a utility trailer with ATV's and firewood so 3k lbs at most. Do I need a fullsize? not really, my kids are out of rear facing child seats and I do not tow heavy (over 5k lbs) but i use the utility of a truck. Every 5-7 years I like to get into a new truck and with current fullsize truck prices I have been priced out of the market as many others, as a result a midsize is becoming more appealing due to cost. I bought my F150 for $46k after incentives (XLT 302A). Today add another $10k or more for the same truck. In my current situation a $45k ish truck is the sweet spot. I may return to the midsize if the prices are right.
Put colorado to the same amount as the gladiator except for the z72
I have been blessed and cursed by the first year redesign on the 2005 Nissan 4.0L platform. Nightmare. Took Nissan 4 years to resolve so many short cut issues.
Blessed to have a friend FORCE them to cover $5k S.M.O.D. outside warranty. Cursed from that point forward with every cheap, corner cutting issue my buddies 2006 Tacoma has never experienced.
Some of these mid sized truck prices are getting awfully close to full size prices. Why not just go with an F150 short bed with a 2.7?
The LT doesn't have a lift and the work truck doesn't have a lift
Yeah I have the WT. it’s 7.9 inches of ground clearance
Question is, what is the torque @ 15-1700 rpm on ford and gms 2.7s? On the gm "turbomax" I believe its about 350lbft if i read a dyno sheet correctly. So if this is correct off the line we're at roughly 350lbft off idle and continues to climb to the 3k rpm peak, thats pretty stout. 350 is above most others peak.
Thanks for all the great vids.
Lol the turbomax is 430 ft/lbs... close
Yes I know at 3000rpm. But at about 1500rpm it's about 350. My point was how much torque at the low rpm in spite of its peak at 3000. The turbo max makes more torque before its peak than most make at peak so the fact that turbo max peaks at 430 at 3000rpm is not that big of a deal in comparison to others.
I'm most interested in a couple things. The RAM that you're getting and the new Ranger. I can't get excited about a Toyota.
Off the line doesn’t matter to a lot of people. They don’t buy these trucks to race.
🤩 I'd buy the New Taco Supreme in 2026! wait for them to fix the kinks. Ford, GM, Nissan can make the most rugged capable truck...BUT, IF IT CAN'T GET YOU FROM POINT A TO B AND BACK TO POINT A....ITS WORTHLESS!
Pretty low iq comment. Toyota had had more recalls in the past 6 years. They are rolling out the turbo in the taco now, where the taco was lagging behind in numerous areas the last 5 years. Take for example, the chevy/gmc... that 4 cyl has been used in the Silverado/ Sierra for 5 years and is proven. The taco has catching up to do... in power, space, towing, payload. It's true, toyota built their reputation when they were the main and only dog for a stretch about a decade ago. But there's a reason they have been around 5th in jd powers rankings the last couple years.
They make more rugged, capable, and more reliable trucks. Do some research and catch up instead of regurgitating the same reliability myth
if im buying a 2024 midsized, id get the nissan frontier, the only truck now with the 3.7 v6.
3.8 v6
It's not so much about power as about durability and smoothness. No question a v6 is smoother than a i4. The small displacement i4 turbos work hard to produce the power. Time will tell how durable the i4 turbos are.
My biggest need was a little more space in the back seat. I understand why they didn't. I'll end up in a full size for this reason although I was hoping I could go mid size.
I like the tacoma styling. Beats tundra in several ways.
Appreciate your thoughts on the options.
Since peak torque is lower in the 4-cylinder engines (particularly the Tacoma), I would think they have to work less than a v6 that you have to wind out for the equivalent amount of power. Don’t get me wrong- I love NA V6s, but I don’t understand this argument.
Displacement to power... heat and compression to produce same power out of smaller displacement.
"no question a v6 is smoother than a i4" - You don't know that ROFL. Also if you are comparing your experience with Toyota competitors, it's not a Toyota. Why do I say this? I have a 22 Tundra Hybrid, that is the smoothest power train I have ever driven. That is even after comparing it with other trucks in it's class. Also the turbo engine is designed to work with the engine, unlike if you add an aftermarket turbo to your car. You are prejudging on a don't know.
I never feel like the 2.3 Turbo in my Ranger is even breaking a sweat. It's very smooth . I bet the turbo fours from GM and Toyota will be that way too.
Question: does a 4 cylinder have 4 detonations per revolution vs a 6 cylinder having 6 detonations? And if the 4 cylinder creates more power, isn't there more stress per cylinder? Further, these diesel like low rpm performance #s require much higher compression ratios (like a diesel). I'm not sold on the concept and I think the motivation is a government mandated lower emissions standards. I believe the 6 cylinder engine is often overlooked.
I think the new Colorado still has the base engine in the WT and LT. The other ones come with the HO
You can get the higher output in the LT. I haven't looked at the WT
Yes. What I meant was the WT and LT come with the base engine and you can opt the HO in both.
or get the gladiator with the v6, also has the solid front axle
And poor reliability
@5:12 did you say 4 speed ? did not know they came in manual tranny's. (lol, i know you meant 4 cyl)
The new Toyota has the Ram front end and the Colorado fenders can't get no better then that.
And the frontier is the child of the Ram and F150
Is the tacoma bigh test gas only?
Hybrid doesn't come out until the Spring.
I just went with the 2500 Chevy Custom gasser, most of those small trucks are under 20 mpg line. I get at sea-level (Here it's either sea-level or mountain on Pacific coastline) 23 mpg out of a 10 speed 6.6 Litre gasoline 400 Block engine @ 55 mph.
All 4 Bangers get either economy or power and with power comes a very thirsty turbocharger boost. I paid Canadian MSRP for a ordered single cab basic custom & paid $56,000 4x4 and I can tow 18,000 lbs. That's more than double capabilities of all the mid-size plus at almost equal price & MPG, plus my driver doesn't shuttle his dirty kids in the back seats. #Cyborg minivan?
That is astounding fuel economy! Also, I never heard horror stories about that engine snapping lifters or that transmission hand grenadine like the Chevy half tons. Great choice you made!
Option for option you can't compare. Tim mentioned it. A fully optioned midsize truck with all the fancy features will be at the price point of a base (XLT, etc) full-size truck with minimal options. A 3/4 ton truck is in a different realm. Plus if your concerned about towing your 2500 is the way to go for sure.
@@marcolcorreia well it's not just towing, I needed a plow V-nose and payload of minimum 2000 lbs. a mid-size & 1500 wouldn't give me that number so here I am, besides the wife's Armada is double duty towing too. Nothin beats a V8 either.
@@sharkskin3448 I'm very happy with it as long as I stay away from the mountains, but kinda hard to do sometimes. Thx
Buy a 2023 4Runner. Still get the great 4.0 V6 And then buy a small trailer if you need to tow some stuff around.
The tacoma is going to sell like hot cakes.
Towing is an need in the midsize market. Bought my Ridgeline in 2012 because it was the right size for my needs, liked the in bed storage, and could tow multiple motorcycles or my side by side along with other stuff I needed. Looking to replace it and just wished they had increased tow to 7,500 lbs. so I could use it to get a small camper I want to my hunting lease.
Not my words on towing, straight from the automakers.
If there is no driver side grabbing handle, they will lose one customer.
Ranger Raptor for me
I’ve owned 3 Honda Ridgeline- I don’t need to tow or carry houses every wknd. Ridgeline’s more than enough for anyone looking to buy a mid size truck will ever need.
Yeah, they are nice BUT a timing belt with an interference engine in 2024 is not a great feature. Have you done that job? approx cost of belt replacement? thx