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Outside Edinburgh???
Not even watched it yet, but I assume Alex bought a lemon
Edit: the Renault is not a lemon, it did a beautiful job of wounding up Alex 😂
Yes 😂
You bet 😂
its just too predictable innit?
😂 a Renault not a lemon, that's a good one.
Twice actually as he bought that Tesla as well
News from Renault, they got a new car i have a picture its called the *Influenza*
James May 2012
It really does sound like a disease.
It isn't called the Influenza
Jeremy Clarkson 2012
There was a Mitsubishi similar to what May drove on that EV journey at a dealership near my house in Pensacola. It was for sale for over a year. I don't think anyone bought it. The same dealership sells about 70 trucks a month. BTW, the only thing EVs are good for is city commutes. And make sure that city doesn't get cold or flood. Or ICE motors work fine.
I just went looking for that clip! It was the car they were talking about just going around unplugging cars in the street 😂😂
I just went looking for that clip! It was the car they were talking about just going around unplugging cars in the street 😂😂
Given that Renault only sold 79 of the Fluence ZE model in the UK, it's probably worth hanging onto it. It's rarer than unicorn shit.
Worth hanging on for what exactly? It will never be repaired, as the other 78 are probably as shit, or shittier. Battery replacement for this hunk of junk is more than the car itself, and not a single soul will be sad for them to be gone.
@@BananektduThe Fluence was actually designed to have battery swaps instead of charging but the impracticality of swaps meant it never happened.
@@Bananektdu it doesn’t need a new battery. It has a firmware issue. With an update it will be a decent little runner for someone. Ok not a motorway muncher but faaaar from scrap. Learn more.
Only 44 left on the road too. For perspective, there are 82 Murcielagos!
I’d love to havr it as a collectors car
Much MUCH better video than last week lads! Bskc to the quintessential autoalex video, enjoyable, informative, and vedy easy watching , great work lads!
last weeks video was amazing what
I already forgot what these guys did last week.
sarcasm
Yep a lot better and back to normal. Last weeks was horrendous
@@kamilianos not sarcasm. I said what I said and stand by it
Older low mileage electric cars can be some of the worst for degradation, because they likely spent their whole life plugged in on 100% charge, which with their unsophisticated batteries would absolutely kill them.
@@teentechnology9855 not all EVs are born equal, the Leaf & Renaults had awful battery management, but the awesome BMW i3 is a huge step up, it uses AC to cool/heat the batteries and there are no issues charging to 100% every night. I do and I've lost less than 10% of capacity in 10yrs/122k miles of driving. It's a hoot to drive too.
@@gazzaman28your tyre width is also like 165's i3's are minging
@@michaelwarner1538 definitely marmite cars, but they have a passionate fanclub
A few minutes in and won't lie, already enjoying it more than the hot hatch finale.
See the Amazon locker in the background at the shell garage. There’s an outdoor plug socket above the locker 😂
Cmon, be serious. Alex would have never reached it, even if his life would depend on it
@@darekmistrz4364 😆😆
@@darekmistrz4364🤣🤣🤣🤣
You need a driveway for cheap EV ownership. I charge my car once a week at home overnight for 7p per kWh. Costs me £2.60 a week.
Fan of the channel here, but that wouldn't suit the narrative.
(I also enjoy the 7p rate.)
Include the price of the car include the cost of having the charger fitted if your not doing it yourself doesnt work out that cheap. Its like everyone with solar panels my bills are so cheap blah blah add the price of all the installation and that not including the repair bills if they pack up. Ever heard the saying dont change something that not broken combustion engines.
You are right. I am one of the lucky ones to have a driveway in this country, but most people don't and have to rely on street chargers.
Having driven a temporary electric car, I didn't have a charge point installed at my house, so I too had to rely on the puplic charger in my street. About 10 electric cars in my street....2 chargepoints. And not everyone removed their car at night once it was done charging.
So yeah....I had to use fast chargers regularly to not run out of juice.
That is the reality for most people here (Netherlands), either they are very lucky to have the option of charging in their driveway/work garage, or they are confined to the sub par street chargers.
I was very happy to switch back to a petrol car. Not because I hated the electric car, but I did hate the hassle of charging it and the range anxiety.
@@jayAsparks car lease is £166 a month. I was spending £200 on petrol in my old car, that was smaller, slower and also cost £305 a year in road tax. Charger was £980 but should last years so is cheaper than the road tax of the old ICE car.
@@mikeedwards4609 I charge at work for cheap. Don’t have a drive way. Charge it when you park it is my mantra!
The Renault Flatulence was designed with battery swapping in mind, they just never got the operation up and going outside of a small trial in Israel before the company doing the trial went bust. Maybe have a go at a battery swap to see how easy it could be?
Regarding to old Tesla
In May me and my girlfriend bought 2014 Tesla S, because we have supercharger around 5 minutes away from our house and she drives it mainly around Warsaw
BUT!
In the summer we have made trip to the south of Italy, 2700km one way and is was doable! We knew that it requires more planning and patience than in a regular petrol car but on the long drive like this stopping every 2 hours was healthy for us and our dog. And it costed us nothing because it still has the free supercharging 😅 so in the right conditions and with the right mindset you can live with something like Tesla. Obviously I won’t try to convince anybody to it because it won’t suit everybody. For us it works, gives quite a lot fun. Even I as a diehard cars enthusiast say that I really like driving this buzzing thing 😂😂😂
P.S. love watching your channel, you are doing a great job, keep pushing! Cheers! ;)
the problem with UK is that their DC charging infrastructure is awful. Europe is way way superior, with Poland building decently in past few years. The most crowded Tesla charger I saw was in Italy and I had to wait 10 mins to charge but it was very far from the chaos they showed here.
Finally someone with an ev who knows they aren’t for everyone. What is it with the mindset of some of the people that buy one, they make it their whole personality start changing their usernames to things like “evman”😂😂
LOL - I have a 2023 Tesla - 320 mile range, charge at home 95% of the time, zero wait for my wall charger, costs me less than 1p per mile in electricity - 25000 miles and £230 total charge cost.
600 mile trip Sydney-Melbourne takes a grand total of 2 x 20-25 min charges which I do while I am eating and using the bathroom - zero time added and it also cost me 1/2 as much as a petrol car. Never had to wait for a charger even on the busiest travel day of the year in Australia (26 Dec)
3% battery loss after 2 years (batteries degrade faster early then slow down) degrading at less than 0.25% per year now still over 300 mile range 10 years from now.
Yeah, but sadly these boys dont wanna see this or lean. As you probably know there is a massive campaign going on to show how "shit electric cars are" everywhere, media picks it up and talk about poor sales, all EV's are a failure and Porsche and VW and Renault are all going back to making diesels and gas...
Its all nonsense, just reading the comments here, 90% of them are pure nonsense, they dont know a damn thing about BEV, charging or costs.
I dont even own any car and I know this fairly well at this point, the information is out there, some very good TH-cam channels based in the UK no less that cover all of this!
Agree. I have a 2024 model Y and very rarely use public chargers. When I have there has been no wait and it’s while I am doing other things. People need to realise if you have a drive and do less than 200 miles a day they work.
Buying a massively overpriced car (likely just a lease so not even yours) then talking about how cheap it is to refuel is so backwards to me.
@@EazyDuz18 Same price as every other new car of it's class these days. Base spec 3 series with the smallest engine (320i) is over 40k now. The cheapest model 3 is just under 40k.
@@tamiyacar The build quality of the BMW is leagues above the model 3 and will depreciate significantly less. Good luck earning back £15,000 extra depreciation throughout ownership in your electric cost....
the problem with 1st gen electric cars is like old phones, no standard connector has been made yet, like we have usb C now and back in 2008 we had like 10+ phone chargers
It has a standard European type 2 connector that is still fitted to cars today....
Alex just didn't know that fast chargers are ccs 2 (type 2 with a DC bit) and that they won't fit. (or at least, I don't think he knew)
And public "slow" charging point should have been usable.
I do believe most cars now at least have a type 2 socket that will fit a ccs2 plug if needed, but I can't be sure....my sample size is too small.
See the correction below from @TheBoredEditor, he is right, it is a type 1 connector. Although you would likely still be able to use public "slow" chargers, assuming you have the correct cable.
@@BuzzinsPetRock78 small correction: the Fluence has a SAE J1772 (Type 1) connector, for which public chargers are very few and far between. The Type 2 connector has a flat top and is much more ubiquitous in the UK
@@TheBoredEditor The manual for the Fluence ZE in the UK 2013 shows a type 2 connector. But on further inspection, that's the end that goes into a charging station.
But it would be a rather simple simple conversion cable.
I don't know about the UK, but here almost all street chargers don't have cables connected, just a socket, so the socket on the charger is universal, but your car can have any connection as long as you have the correct cable. (yes, that does mean you have to always carry a cable with you)
Only the fast chargers have cables connected.
@@BuzzinsPetRock78 In the UK most public AC chargers are the same, just a socket for you to plug your existing Type 2 AC charging cable into. In practice I rarely find myself public charging on AC since I have a 7kW charger at home.
And in 10 years they are saying the same thing about electric car now 🤣🤣🤣
The way the EV infrastructure is, if you don't have a Tesla, nearly everything is an inconvenience. I've done 12k miles in just over a year... I've only ever had 1 issue charging on a public charger and it was a Non Tesla one.... and I also had to queue for it as well. If you really really really want an EV, get a Tesla. Even if you don't like Elon.
36k and I have had one issue with charger access.
Only EVs I'll ever drive are my RC's 😉
I find it hilarious when people say ooh I’m not buying one of those I don’t like Elon. Firstly, petty and jealous. He doesn’t advocate for any harm, just common sense and logic. Lastly do they like the ceo of every company they buy from? Nopeee.
As someone who loves the ICE. I don't think I'd ever go back. Maybe a weekend car, but not my primary. I never got a charger fitted at home, just the standard 3 pin which I've put in a weather proof enclosure and it stays outside all year round. Been over 2 years now and I fully charged my Kona over a couple of night charges every 2-3 weeks. It will drive to London and back on a charge from Bristol. Can get to Devon/Dorset and back, from Bristol on a single charge. If I need to charge then I stop at a service station for 20 mins and 120 miles back in the battery. It also costs me just under a £5 to fully charge my 64kw battery, which costs about £0.069p a KW to charge and drive 300ish miles a charge. These 80p a KW chargers would kill the savings and if I had a flat/no driveway I would maybe not have been so positive, but in my position at the moment, it's been an amazing upgrade.
yes but how old is it? 6 years old maximum since theyve been on sale, this video has been showing high mileage or older EV's and how they utterly fall apart, the Renault alex drove isnt even 15 years old, and it is useless, utterly useless, all 4 of my cars are older than that and all of them being petrol will do around 400 miles per tanks, and refuel in less than 5 minutes and do it all again, this is the point...
EVs are NOT the future, nor are they saving the planet, they are throw away white goods with 8-10 years of life, where people can run around in a car made in the 60s and it still be perfectly usable , and despite having higher tail pipe emissions still be massively more environment friendly!
Not the point 🤣🤣🤣🤣… you have a place to charge at home…. You dont make 500 miles journeys… they joking eere explaining that agahahah
When I was watching the video I was genuinely surprised to see the prices in the uk. I live in Washington state and you can relatively easily find superchargers with less than $0.3 per kw and some with less than $0.2.
@@catz3144 it's said the UK has the highest prices electricity in Europe atm
There’s always one😂😂
Here for the comments about Abington services being just outside of Edinburgh 😅
Yeah beat me to it...
I should add, no hate here, just an observation.
Perfect conclusion to the video as well 👌🏻
Was looking for this comment 😂😂😂
That's why I'm here.
I'm in Ayrshire just outside Aberdeen
When showing all their cost comparisons, Tesla uses 10 cents/kwh as the rate for electricity. My home rate varies between 38-65 cents/kwh, depending on season and time of day. The argument of “practically free to drive - don’t have to pay for gas!” has turned in to the reality of “gets the same mpg as a regular car”, or really “cost of power per mile”.
There are parts of the US where the electric rate is 10 cents /kwh.
The other thing many people don’t fully grasp, is just how much a 90kwh battery has worth of electricity. My entire 4 bedroom house uses 20kwh/day on average. That’s all lights, appliances, etc. On a very hot day, running the AC nonstop, that jumps to 50-60kwh! Talking about 95 degree hot days. That’s a lot of power - so much so that in my state of CA, on a hot day when everyone is running their AC and using 40-60kwh, the state will issue a “flex alert” instructing (or forcing) people to set their AC to 78 degrees, and not use major appliances.
Now just think if every household had TWO electric cars! If you charged each car once per week for local driving, that would be an extra 160kwh per week your household used, or 20kwh/day on average. Essentially making every day a flex alert day, and if we actually need to run the AC? Forget it!
I have 20 solar panels on my roof. Essentially filling most of the usage SW facing space. On a cloudy day, I make 5kwh. On a sunny day, I can produce 30-45kwh, depending on the month. I spec’d my system to produce 15% more electricity than my house uses in a year -so net effect, I should be feeding the grid a bit. If I bought an EV, I would need another 10-15 panels to produce the energy to charge it, on average - and like I said, my roof is pretty full already.
For EVs to work, we need a lot more power, reliable daily, and lower rates. Until then, gasoline powered cars are just easier for the end user. (It’s tempting to buy a short range EV to run in the event that there’s a gas shortage.)
So much better, this is how these videos should be. No fake screaming, no overscripted nonsense, no being salty because subscribers who came for shitboxes don't care about your 30k daily. Just good old fashioned AutoAlex. This is what we all come for
Some information on the “Influenza” - James May
The Fluence was Renault’s first electric car before the launch of the Zoe, their ground up electric hatchback. Whereas the Fluence was essentially a Megane saloon hastily converted with the basic motors from the Nissan Leaf. Which had more range, more practicality and was cheaper than the Renault.
These early Fluences were only launched in the UK so that the Renault Nissan Alliance had two EVs to offer first.
The value of these collapsed as soon as far better cars launched, and most Renault dealers have never seen one in their workshop.
As far as EVs are concerned as a whole, I had a Polestar 2 from Hertz for 2 weeks and after a day of getting used to its little quirks I’d happily buy one as soon as they reach £25,000 for the 400 mile version, which will be in about a year or two. Plus, the carbon emissions created during the production of the 2 was balanced out after just 22,000 miles of zero emissions driving. So therefore they’re not the devils work, and they’re not shit. You just need to find one that isn’t a Renault Fluence…
A bunch of petrolheads go on a trip in EVs. The outcome was predictable
Open goal though...😂😂😂
7 hours to charge a car for a 2 day trip mate, it's not about being a petrol head, they hated it because it's a nuisance and an inconvenience. I probably haven't spent total of 7 hours in my entire life on filling up cars. Electrics are for rich people to flash around with their new toys, or morons that think them waiting ages for a car to charge somehow saves the planet.
@Bananektdu car was charged on AC not DC. Modern cars have CCS which can charge 0 to 90% in around 12 minutes
@@SJWPropertyManagement That's if you can find a charging point, that's A-Empty and B-Working.
@@Bananektdu 7hrs On a slow charger at 7kw, or around 20min on a fast charger.
Our second car is a bmw i3 2018. Original range was 135 miles. 6 and a half years later it still gets 135 miles. The bmw battery management system is fantastic. Oh and the car is a hoot to drive but the i3 is quite unique with its carbon fibre tub.
Not as much of a hoot as a 335d, or a 340i
Also at 13:39 a bird flies into Taylors head and does not come out? WTF????
Haha, definitely a jump cut there
They timed that perfectly
You were literally opposite the Alveston manor hotel, which has EV chargers that you use your own cable with 😂
@@Itsneil12345 don't spoil the funny anti-EV tropes now will you!! ;)
Still 2 shite cars
Why let the truth get in the way of a good story?
@@gazzaman28 cope
@@EazyDuz18 I'm coping just fine, it's a laugh innit!
My Ford Focus 1.5 TDCI runs at an average including driving in rush hour traffic of about 18KM/L - or 42MPG - and it's an estate - and it's not a slow car when driving around. I though - because people are talking about 0-100 times of Teslas and stuff - that it would be fairly slow with its 120 BHP and 0-100 of like 10 seconds - but in daily use that's actually more than plenty and I have never felt it was slow... so doing about 850KM pr. tank of diesel - and a full tank being about 550DKK (about 60-65£) mean it's about 0.65 DKK pr. kilometer - or about 1.04 DKK pr. mile - and that is = 7p pr. KM - or 12p pr. mile... Prices for diesel is ALMOST exactly the same in Denmark as it is in the UK - within a few p pr. liter... so the whole "cost savings" making up for the high EV prices - is pure freaking BS!
Also - anyone complaining about fuel prices these days are insane! 12p pr. mile is SO damn cheap! Compare that to ANYTHING else - like literally - what is cheaper? If the only things you can mention is "well walking" or "breathing" or some BS like that - then - think about it one more time! You literally need to make an effort to get something cheaper! LOL
That conclusion felt quite Top Gear I have to say: “if you want an electric car, buy a twin turbo V8 diesel Range Rover”
10:18 no blame on infrastructure or the car... this is lack of knowledge and education
Agree. 0 research was made, or its just show for the cameras
@@anzonix I don't think it was a show for cameras, I truly belive that ignorance was honest.
Volvo D5 owner here. I feel like a winner watching this.
this is so good guys it is like old top gear challenge but i prefer this if i am to be honest you guys
according to wikipedia, you have a really rare Renault on your hands there.....they sold a grand total of 79 in the UK.
Rare but still a pile of wank
This convinced me even more that my 300k Mile Astra van diesel 1.9cdti 120 is the best motor in the world. That trip would cost me about £15
How dose it feel knowing car throttle posted a video 7 days ago with 41k views and you guys (auto Alex) posted 5 hours ago and have 120k views. Amazing work guys love you content
Abington, just outside of Edinburgh ?!?!
I wouldn't want to walk that on a wet night...
Yep. Its at least 40 miles!!!!
It's just a tiny toddler down the Lang Whang. It'll be 😶
You would have just needed a few adapters. If someone buys an old car, they usually at least should know what fuel it takes. It's just the same as qith the diesel nozzle that doesn't fit into petrol cars.
It’s nothing like that at all… 😂 what a stupid comparison. Diesel and Petrol are two different fuels…
Regardless of the adaptor, electricity is electricity
@@SquidgyPickle DC and AC are the same? 400V DC is the same as 110V AC?
@@darekmistrz4364 in an ideal world the way the charge is delivered shouldn't be the consumer's problem - the software in the car and the charger should communicate to find the right way. Also, not being able to charge at 'any' station is moronic, like imagining only being able to fill at Shell if you own a car of a certain brand or color, or engine power.
12:22 the Spydero fits Alex perfectly.
I just love how spontaneous it was when you understood the situation and just added a new challenge mid way 😂
Best automotive channel out there right now, keep the good work!
Great video. Old Top Gear vibes. In a good way. Three mates mucking about with cars. Perfect.
Do a home repair of the Renault battery using cells from discarded vape pens 😂
Battery is fine. The car has a software fault. It will have only lost about it 2-5% of its range. Just needs an update.
@@garybibby2698 After 12 years the battery is probably dead.
@@Timico1000 it’s not. Early Renaults have a software glitch that makes it calculate low range. Just needs update.
@@Timico1000 Yup completely toast and the seller knew thats why he sold it so cheap to alex
If a petrol car of 12 years old could only be filled up to a quarter of a tank, you wouldnt buy it.
thats why the market has dropped out on second hand EV cars.
you dont know what you are buying
Conveniently ignoring the mileage of the other electric car in the test there…
@@BillyNoMates1974 this Renault needs a software update to fix batt calculation. Then it will get 95% of its original range. My diesel golf did 80mpg when new and only 60 when 12 yr old so your point is….
The issue with electric is the lack of being able to fix anything. With a normal car any mechanic or the owner is capable of doing work on it, electric however you need specialists... There's no such thing as a cheap fix on them
@@mrcaboosevg6089 whats there to fix just battery and motors everything esle is the same as a ice car
@@mrcaboosevg6089 my lived experience says otherwise. Plenty of cheap fixes. Yes some needs specialist knowledge but those who won’t learn will have no customers eventually. Half this applies to hybrids as well.
Abington Services also not outside Glasgow but closer than Edinburgh. 🤣🤣🤣
Ive dailied an id3 for 2.5 years. Dont use motorway services, use instavolt chargers instead (usually near McDonald's or Costa) expensive but reliable
Who needs Top Gear / The Grand Tour when there's amazing, down to earth content like this. 👍👍👍
Yano, my 16 year old Diesel MPV, a Renault Kangoo, has done about 96,000 miles. The range is the same as ever, in theory about 583 miles per Parkers, and even with me driving it's been averaging about 45-50mpg. It also does 0-60 in 10.9, which is really not that bad for the genre. The idea that it would be better for the planet if I scrapped my car and bought a brand new EV, one which will be worthless, unsellable, impractical junk after only a few years, is genuinely laughable.
Enjoy driving past people knowing you're giving them lung cancer. Old diesels are horrid.
JCW factory aerokit r56 dooper. Everywhere at 80mph. 55mpg 😊
@@MarkyBoy-z5w Noice!
@@TheSpectre223 did you miss the part where they said the Tesla is on 450k miles?
Your Kangoo will be lucky to get to 150k miles let’s be honest.
@@BRED510 Not exactly common is it. And the difference is when something breaks on the Kangoo, I don't have to buy an entire new drivetrain. ICE you can maintain part-by-part on a 'my grandfather's axe' basis. I also don't have to worry about the nozzle at the petrol station no longer fitting, or only being able to use 20-80% of my fuel tank on the regular.
What diesel does 35mpg? My focus averages 60-75
As an ev driver I'll agree with almost all of that. They are not as convenient on long journeys. The cost of charging at fast charger is too expensive. That said that takes up less than 5% of my actual driving. I charge at home for 2p/kwh and my driving is short motorway and city and for that type of driving its unbeatable.
We drove to the south of France in our Tesla, stopped once, had to charge for 25 minutes. It was like a 4 hour journey stopping for less than that anyway would have been dangerous to be honest. Plus a charge back to like 85% was like 10 Euros. I don't get the argument they are not convenient on long journeys, because long journeys you should be having a decent stop every 2-3 hours and most modern EVs will do like 250-300 miles on one charge which is longer than the vast majority of even long journeys people do. I think the main issue is charging points, the more people switch the more busy you will get and you will have more issues specially with people who live in flats or don't have garages/drives to charge at home.
@@tajj7should be stopping every 2 hours?😂even hgv drivers drive longer than that. In a diesel I can swap drivers and continue whilst you’re stuck at the services paying for overpriced coffee and donuts
Infrastructure still lacks a lot. But the cars are getting really great. 🎉
Meanwhile I went from the north of the Netherlands where I live, to Belgium, to France and to England (To you guys at Shedfest lol) on 85% of my 60L diesel tank while flooring that lovely C30 D5 every now and then
Alright grandad
We don't care
@@AdrianMcDaid I care
@@AdrianMcDaidi care too👍🏻
@@joshb7415 at least someone pretends they do.
5:30. Taylor, you are not quite right - you certainly can deplete the battery. You would be wise not to try to simply because you might not get where you want to without it going flat, but it's not going to hurt it. (Don't leave it discharged - or fully charged - for a long time not being used as that could hurt it in time)
His exact statement is that you can't fully deplete the battery because you'd ruin it. And that's 100% accurate. You actually can't deplete the battery, it always has AT LEAST 10% charge left even if it indicates empty. That's because, like Taylor states, if you'd actually be able to fully deplete the battery, it would be ruined. Immediately and irreparably. Manufacturers/the car stops you from being able to. That's why, if you buy a car with a 77kwh battery, you only have 72kwh usable. The rest is reserved to keep voltage at a level capable of accepting charge - lithium batteries discharged below a certain voltage level will simply not charge anymore.
@@m4ini You are contradicting yourself
well, if you ain't rich enough to have a driveway where you can charge it at home/at work, you ain't rich enough to have a usable electric car
... also losing range so quickly after not so many miles on the clock - just makes you get a new battery/whole car much sooner, feeding the consumerism even more - is this the great "green" future? or just very convenient to battery/electric car sellers?
@@artepjan right, but what about the 450k miles Tesla? Did you miss that?
Early Renault EV’s (Fluence, Zoe’s) had tiny batteries and extremely poor BMS systems and Aircooled batteries.
The Tesla by comparison has a liquid cooled battery and an advanced BMS, which is why it’s got to 450k miles. All modern EV’s are like the Tesla.
@@BRED510 okay, thank you for answering my question, maybe one day I can afford a new modern ev that's actually good
Funny how I make do without a driveway and home charging
@@rajgopee1245exactly, you “make do” not everyone wants to go through life “making do” just to virtue signal about nonsense
I miss Tom Lenthall, need him on another video soon !!
I have to say that after owning an electric car for 9 months now, I've never had to wait for a charger nor found one that doesn't work, just to add a little perspective.
I can confirm that after owning a Range Rover for over 9 months now, I've also never had to wait for a charger nor found one that doesn't work.
@@JohnBaxendaleyour RR will probably need a new engine before it hits 100k tho 😅
My Focus will also do 900km easily on one charge and only takes a few minutes to fill up
Having owned many cars and motorbikes over the last 35 years, I can also confirm I have never once waited for ever for an electric charger :o) and never bloody will
5 years been an EV driver, over 95% of charging is done at home. I've been averaging £10 for 400 miles.
Owned a Tesla Model 3 for 12 months and it’s been brilliant. Tesla superchargers are fantastic, and I can do over 300 miles with no issue. Taylor is wrong - you can charge to 100% depending on which battery you have. I get the shit box thing - but this video with newer electric cars would be easy with very little issues. Electric cars are not shit - you are just using shit electric cars.
Tell us where to find a Tesla 3 with £3-5k SH because that's what people on average can afford to spend usually when they renew their car. Will wait for ur response😊
Electric cars are shite for the absurd amount of money they cost
Even today the 66 plate Tesla is better than the vast majority of electric cars on sale though.
@@oache4u Tesla isn't for you then if you can't afford it... people buy expensive petrol cars as well. 'most' people don't spend 3 grand on cars, the facts state that people are spending £42,000 on a new car and £18,000 on second hand. Get a better job.
@@oache4u show us the proof of this £3-5k average spend on a car. Will wait your response ;)
"Abington services near Edinburgh" Abington being 40 miles away from Edinburgh and pretty much the same distance to glasgow 🤣. Class video but I think the boys need to take some geography lessons 😆
Typical anti EV narrative. Buy a shit EV and expect shit things. Well done for making a really predictable video about EVs. If you claim to like fast cars, get a fast ev. Not a ropey old Tesla and an awful Renault. Fuck it, why not try to make one interesting. An EV MX-5? That would go through tyres in no time and would be an interesting build series?!
you're missing the point of the video, which is you can't use a "cheap shitbox secondhand EV". Incompatibility with charging, battery degradation, poor firmware... you can't apply the buy a shitbox and go philosophy here, that's what this video is about.
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@@vanoscrap-nb1go then why include the Tesla comparison and slate it? That thing is impressive that it’s done such high mileage. Plus the supercharging network was fine for their trip and that a trip of that length is not an ordinary trip even by fossil fuel standards. Most people don’t do 300 miles regularly.
The stupid its so expensive to charge trope was a load of horse shit too. If you charge at home a majority of the time, the occasional expensive charge does not make it suddenly the most expensive vehicle to run.
They should have just called the video from the start; we hate evs so will take cheap shots at them to get some views from boomers.
@@WattUpHatersviews from boomers? Most of the viewers are under 30, he’s said so before. Try to cope with the fact people like different things and don’t get brainwashed as easily as you.
Who's gonna buy that tape when the word centre is spelt wrong 😂
Some people in the comment section are saying why buy an old EV. But this is actually the only way to afford one currently unless obviously finance. According to a quick Google search, the average cheapest price to buy one new is £21000. The numbers just don't make sense when you can get a used ordinary car that works properly for a lot cheaper. I'm not sure anyone has really thought about EVs' resaleable options compared to ordinary ones.
What the video proves is that for a grand, you could get a functional electric car that you could charge overnight on a 3 pin and use every day for very very little money. Old ones don’t work for long distances. Of course not. But if your commute is under 20 miles each way, that Renault is the cheapest way to do it by miles.
@@davepayne164please stop the cope, ev's are absolute crap for the money they cost.
@@davepayne164 True. But thats quite a specific trip. You could use an electric bike for that which is cheaper than the car. Obviously, that has downsides as well though.
No one actually buys an EV. You would be absolutely stupid to with the residuals. They are all rented with salary sacrifice.
It's worth remembering the cheapest new base spec Corsa you can buy is over £20,000. New cars in general are ridiculously expensive.
This channel is amazing now honestly just getting better and better the 3 of them have nailed this
56.000Km and lost 75% of its range lol yeah, I think I will not be buying an electric anytime soon.
that one is old, but was also terrible when it came out new. it's a ICE powered car that has been converted very badly into an EV. there is a reason why that is the cheapest electric car you can get
I mean, it’s one of the first generation EV’s. Current models (and even the Model S in this video) are much better.
I mean... There was the other ev there too, have you noticed its milage?
@@endjfcarthat won’t change the mind of people who don’t want their minds changed.
EV’s aren’t great for long journeys, mainly because of infrastructure. For 95% of real world driving they’re better.
The car has a software fault. It will have only lost about it 2-5% of its range. Just needs and update.
We're at that pivotal point of car content where we go from cool noises from the engine, and all the bits and bobs of upgrading, to... How far will these batteries take me.
I really hope synthetic fuels make series progress soon.
Brilliant video guys.
A RACE!? YAY! Great challenge, and the unplanned 2nd leg of the journey ended just how it should have. Put Rory on a megabus next time though, would be great for him to experience public transport for the first time
12:17 does not even look out of proportion
Bit disappointed with this. There must have been some level of misunderstanding, miscalculation or just straight up self-sabotage. I drove to the south of France and back this summer in an EV, didn’t experience any problems at all, the whole experience was super easy and it cost me like 75% less than what a decent petrol car would have cost me. You guys seem to keep shovelling biased nonsense about EV’s without giving it a fair and balanced look.
You drove 2000 miles in an EV? How many times did you have to charge up in that time
@@GeorgeAusters I say south of France, it was more sort of Lyon area, but still about 1500 miles round trip. We needed to charge the car 3 times each way excluding the initial home charge to start the journey, but every time we charged it was at a point where we’d be stopping for a break or overnight stay anyway so it was never an inconvenience.
This is quite easily filling the void left behind when Hammond, May, and Clarkson, proper old top gear vibes
I have to say for the sake of balance that after owning an i3 for 2 years and charging it at home... I've been enjoying the acceleration of a Golf GTI, the refinement of a Rolls and the economy of a push bike for two years.
Yup, same. It's a shame cos I've always enjoyed Alex's content but this video is typical of a petrol heads argument against electric cars. Pick out any negatives and ignore all the benefits. I average the equivalent of 300 plus mpg in my i3. I'd love to know how they came up with their figures.
@@clivectmob I'm not sure who benefits from talking down the benefits of electric cars. Baffling. Utterly baffling.
I’ve got an i3 as a second car and I love it, but never heard it compared to a Rolls, the ride is hard!
You literally are living James' perspective from the i3 vs GTI that Jeremy and James did on Grand Tour
I am indeed a petrol head but I agree with you that a balanced view is needed here. Electric vehicles have their place but they don’t and never will suit everyone.
Definitely should do a classic Jag series to be honest.
Bought a 1.000 pound electric car of 12 years of age. Says all electric cars are shit 😂 basically this sums up all these car pages. Fossil fuel cars also took ages to become as good as they are.
If you buy an older E-car, it's best to either replace or modernize and increase power with less batteries, efficiency is the key. Any of you who vape with a fancy mod box, you know the life of (18650) batteries, also, the higher quality fabrication means longer life and more power
You have to ask yourself what question had to be asked in 2012 for that Renault Fluence to be the best answer for someone.
What car should my sims get to lower their bills in the sims 3
The g wizz wasn't in stock?? 😂 Honestly Renault should be punished for putting that shit box into circulation
Gotta love the performance limited message from the Fluence, as if it had performance before 😂
Petrol and diesel engine swap vid for both now then and then do same trip again?
Oh man if only you knew the amount of drama CarVertical is in in Lithuania, where it's based you'd rethink your sponsorships lmao. Excellent content tough, love the channel!
what did CV do?
They wouldn’t rethink it as long as they’re paying😂
Do it in the cheapest Zoe you can find…. But then you wouldn’t have a ragebaity video!
‘I’m not being dumb here?’ Says Alex. Yes and throughout the whole video.
Good content for you viewers to reinforce stereotypes about how hard EVs can be
WARNING Car Vertival advert @ 3:20
Never heard of them 😂
cheers mate
Who?
This literally lets them make the content for us….for free. Better than all the other scams that people advertise. CV is actually a decent service!
I paid $5000 for a used EV 2 years ago. Similar range to Alex's Renault but as an everyday that's all I need. Charges overnight when I'm on a cheaper electricity. I wouldn't want one as my only car but for going to work and back it's perfect
This all all well and good, but where's the podcast? :(
It came out yesterday? They bought a ex police Range Rover
was out yesterday
My little phase 1 would have done the whole journey from outside Edinburgh, to caffeine and machine and to their unit on one tank costing only £45 and I’ve got windy windows and a sunroof 😂
I don't get all the hate towards EVs. They do a job, they're just not something you guys are ever going to like. At the start of the video you say how the Tesla has done almost half a million miles but still feels nice to drive. How many times have we seen you in a normal car that's done 200k miles and you've spent £10k on it just for it to blow up again 😂 You also always forget about home charging which can be as low as 7p/kWh and not the 80p/kWh you get charged on motorways. Not much different how petrol is always more expensive at service stations
200k miles is nothing to a good ice car.
Axe-grinding paid for by Shell one presumes? Next week: the chaps are startled to find that their 15 year-old Nokia charger doesn't work with an iPhone.
You know what does work in any car regardless of its age? Petrol and diesel.
Here in Brazil, in the city of São Paulo, we had a huge storm a week ago. Many trees fell and there are still neighborhoods without electricity. As a result, MANY electric cars have been idle for a week... Meanwhile, my car, powered by "recycled dinosaurs", runs every day... Electric car DOES NOT WORK!
The challenge was entertaining but the comments are just as amusing 😂
Finally pleased I know the cost of running a electric car as had no idea
Buys Renault confluence -
“Electric cars are shit”
If he had bought a shitbox Leaf you would have been able to use the Chademo fast chargers at most of the Mer or BP chargers along the route. They’ve been on the market for 12 years and still work today for supercharging.
Either Autoalex is being wilfully ignorant about charging standards, or maybe just being dramatic for the camera.
The confluence, like the Mercedes B Electric and the Focus Electric are designed for commuters with chargers at their home, to which weirdly, they just work.
I’m about to do a trip from Heathrow in a Polestar 2 around the UK, so in this honour… I’m going to enjoy proving how easy electric vehicle usage is in the UK, even with the iffy charging coverage they have. :-)
I got a phev instead of a full EV, the downside is the increased weight, the upside is that I get 50mpg in hybrid mode and 35 miles on the battery on its own, highly reccomend that as an option for wanting to use electric for short journeys while having flexability on longer journys.
What do you expect from a 12 year old EV with a battery with no thermal management. You’re basing your opinion of EVs on that, seriously?
That’s the market/price range some will be shopping in. If a 12 year old car is virtually scrap, then the environmental impact is pretty huge. Volvo’s (who have committed to the electric drivetrain) own study showed that an electric car doesn’t better an ICE equivalent carbon footprint until 10 years/80000 miles. Every time the new latest and greatest battery tech is revealed, the more obsolete electric cars there are.
@@chrisb9360since debunked… by Volvo.
To be fair they also smashed the point of the Tesla, could have been a 2024 and it still would have had the cost of charging and the time lost when compared to a cheap old BMW smoker.
EV's are good if you want to be ripped off and do short journeys.
@@jayc342009Evs are for people that wanna be different and waste time!
The Renault 'Effluent'? Seems appropriate
Waiting on the electric brigade to come and complain.
I know. Open goal to be fair though... 😂😂😂
I dont think they know what an internet is yet
Surely the Nissan Leaf is cheaper?
A old nissan leaf has even less range believe it or not!!!
I'm happy with my 2003 diesel van. On the motorway if i drive like a Nun at 60mph, it'll do 900+ miles on a full tank (around 80mpg). The electric vans that are a similar age will do 40 miles on a charge, and 5 miles of that is probably worrying about where and how to get the next charge, then you have the hours of waiting to do another 35-40 miles!
Diesel generator in the boot running, plugged in and a lovely big hole in the boot lid for the zaust........then do it again 😂😂😂
usual ev clichés from a petrolhead car channel.
Tedious
Oooh I love electric I’m so much better than everyone else
That's more like it! But of course you've not had the time to do all this stuff when Brenda was on the way! And now she's here I'm amazed you've had time too, but im glad you have. Thanks!
Note to self: only lease a brand new electric car.
my bmw 645 4.4 petrol v8 averages 25-28mpg on a long motorway cruise at 60-70. my vw passat 2.0 diesel averages 42-48mpg at 60-70. the passat gets around 400 miles from a full tank, the bmw last time i checked was getting 250 miles. its wild how inefficient electric cars are in terms of time, the longest refill for either of my cars with the fuel light on has been 4 or 5 minutes including going in to pay.
Electric would cost me £1 a day for my commute, while my petrol car costs me £9 a day. That inconvenience is exchanged for cost savings.
@@dreamcrusher112yes but a 645 😍. EV? 😴
@@dreamcrusher112 you forgot the cost to buy the car to begin with, so you still lose overall
Had electric for 7 years. In the beginnings it was tough. Now with a Model 3 its so easy. If you dont have a drive - dont buy electric. I charge my car 95% at home for 7.5p per kwh, i get 250 miles range. I have done 45k miles and a least 35k is all charged at home. That has cost me £2625 for 35k, I only need to supercharge if my round trip is over 250. Which is rare for me. Also if you need to charge a lot when out and do loads of miles and want electric, ONLY buy a Tesla if you want hassle free charging and no waiting,
Electric will never replace ICE until the costs are equal in purchase and running and every petrol station has at least 10 rapid chargers. Until then Electric is great when you charge at home and rarely need to further than your range.
If EVs are so rubbish, how come the Tesla has managed 500k in 9yrs? That's not exactly bad going.
@@J500ANT like mobile phone battery’s if it’s never fully charged or depleted, too hot or too cold, and kept at a decent temperature when not in use the life will be longer, if it was a Privately owned taxi that could also explain how it had done so well.
It was a taxi, bet theres loads of prius with more miles than that tesla
there are Dacia taxies that are 1mil+ km in Romania, and they are less then 5y old. Other than normal maintanance, no problems.
Theese frigde on wheels needs a couple of Motor and battery changes to reach that.
Yes, I just compared a Tesla to a Dacia, and I have no remorse.
@@dagiboy7 they both have 4 wheels 😅
8k for that soulless POS. I can buy a lovely ICE car for 5k less 😂😂😂
I couldn’t imagine having to refuel half way through a medium length journey.. I like to just get where I’m going and get back.
Who wants to stop every couple hours to buy an overpriced lunch?!
My old diesel is staying!
So have i understood this correctly? Electric cars are more expensive to run than a diesel if you have to rely on public chargers. Public chargers that are both unreliable and overcrowded.
If you rely on expensive services chargers. Cheaper Mer chargers are some 30p cheaper per kwh, x70 for a full battery. I'd never get services petrol in my car... same thing
If I had a petrol car, I would’ve spent £1,588 this year. Instead, to do the same distance I’ve spent £758 - that’s all on Tesla’s network.
@@EVMan298Be interesting to know your working our for this to figure out my diesel in comparison as my mpg average is 55mpg highest is 69mpg
Just at the end of watching this - if you do get a ticket, you have literal video proof to appeal it. I’ve spent the last 2 years of my life working on parking ticket rules and loopholes 😂. Great video btw 💪🏻
Great stuff. Honest review & biggest issue with EV cars is no one that wants or likes cars really enjoys them. Only people I know who are trying to say they are good either own one already & are trying to stop the depreciation or company’s. Fact is Evs don’t work for the majority
The fact I live literally 2 minutes from that Shell Garage and would have happily helped Alex but didn't see the damn instagram story until 5 hours after posting on there 😅😂
I had a loan of Polestar 2 for a while. I absolutely loved it, but the infrastructure for electric cars is shocking and until that's massively improved there's no point in having one except for a local run around
Stupid me doing roadtrips in my EV
@@darekmistrz4364 10 miles isn't a road trip buddy
@@EazyDuz18 I didn't know that I can go through half a Europe in 10 miles 🤯