Your presentation of Katara being Aang's mom got me thinking. Did Aang mistake storge, familial love, for eros, romantic love? Aang was raised by all male monks when he was at the Air Temple. He did travel occasionally, but the friends he made were all male. Perhaps he jumped to the conclusion that he loved Katara romantically and clung to that idea.
Wow this actually makes sm sense. And further explains on how he essentially idolizes her bc he's damn near only *heard* of girls. Let alone an older, beautiful girl
@@ryantagonist924 aang have crush in katara from the ending in S1 Katara season 2 episode 2 she start her feelings she blush 3 times with aang and she kiss him in the lips she blush and In the book 3 she compliment aang and she feel jealous literally she just worried for the war and she hide her feelings for the war This is the reason who say I don't see you as brother just is not the right time we are in the war...
I’m saying this as someone who was a Kataanger all throughout the series airing, Zutara is by far the superior ship. As a kid, I shipped Kataang, but as I got older and gained a better understanding of relationships, writing, story, and characters, I saw just how heavily flawed and incompatible Kataang was and how Zutara was vastly superior and made so much more sense, and so I jumped ships. Zuko and Katara know, understand, and relate to each other better than anyone else in the show. They stand as equals who make each other better people and help one another grow. There was chemistry between them throughout the show (which the creators said they deliberately put in there), and even though I was a Kataanger and very anti-Zutara at the times, when Katara healed Zuko after their fight with Azula, I fully expected them to kiss and was surprised they didn’t. Katara had such a better and brighter future with Zuko than with Aang. She could have gone on to do great things, help bring the nations together and establish peace, even be a symbol of unity, harmony, and balance as Fire Lady despite being Water Tribe. Even from a political standing, it made sense for them to wed. Literally everything was there and worked perfectly for them as a couple and with a great future together. I actually took a writing course, and the way Zutara plays out literally aligns with how most modern romances novels do. Plus, they look really good together. With Kataang, though, the relationship was heavily flawed, with Katara only showing 3 brief instances of any interest in Aang romantically throughout the enter series, and after they occurred, her behavior doesn’t change towards him at all, as if those moments never happened, and she continues to treat him like a son/little brother. Aang borderline stalks her and basically makes a claim on her without her consent, and constantly pressures her into returning his feelings. He even forces a kiss on her after she told him she was confused and didn’t want a relationship with everything going on with the war (that’s called sexual assault). The relationship really isn’t healthy. Aang is almost dependent on her and makes so many decisions that simply revolve around having her with him; he even chose to sacrifice the world and/or innocent people on more than one occasion because he wanted her more. And sure, I’ve heard the argument that Aang is just a kid and so doesn’t understand relationships and will mature, but that’s my point, Kataang wasn’t the epic romance Kataangers pretend it is. Even in the post-series comic with them as a couple, uch, it’s horrible. Their dialogue with each other and the way they interact with each other is just… no. It’s not cute, or romantic, or attractive, or sexy, or even wholesome, it’s super cringy. And Katara becomes even more motherly and determine to please Aang in literally everything he wants and decides, even if she disagrees with him, just because she wants him to be happy. And look where she ended up. She becomes a baby-making stay at home mom/housewife whose best known for her healing (the very thing she fought Pakku against being stuck as). That’s like a woman fighting to get out of the kitchen just to turn around and go into the kitchen. She could have had so much potential, become a great master Waterbender, done so many great things, but no. Instead, she gets so little recognition that she’s the only member of the GAang that doesn’t get a statue of her, even though she was the one to defeat Azula. She deserved so much better. And all this isn’t just me bashing the ship or expressing my opinion. We SAW how dysfunctional and broken their family life was in Legend Of Korra. I’m sorry to say it, but Aang is a bad father and husband. He overly-pressured Tenzin and forced everything he wanted on him and openly favored him while completely neglecting and ignoring his other two kids to the point where they all become resentful of him and of each other and held grudges they never get over and having their family divided and estranged. This can all point back to Katara never stepping up to address Aang’s behavior since she’s always mothering him and just wants him to be happy, so now their kids suffered greatly because she never did anything about the way Aang was treating them. This just shows how incompatible they are as a couple. It was even stated that despite becoming an adult, Aang never grew up (yet they tried to push the idea that Katara found that endearing), and that’s likely due to Katara always mothering him and being the adult, so he never had to grow up. Katara doesn’t need a little boy that she’s always catering to for a partner though, she needs a man, an equal. So we saw for ourselves just how poorly Kataang worked out and how so much of Katara’s potential was wasted when she could have had so much more with Zuko. I don’t think that’s how the writers intended Kataang to be, but if you actually look at it, that’s what happened. So I’m sorry to all the Kataangers, but Zutara is vastly superior and makes so much more sense in literally every way. You’re free to ship Kataang all you want, power to you, but it falls way short of Zutara and what could have been, especially compared to what we saw the result of Kataang was in LoK. Kataang may have been the canon ship, but Zutara is the better one. So much potential lost for a poorly written and undeserved “hero gets girl” trope. Zutara has unlimited potential that has so many good things possible for both Katara and Zuko, while Kataang, well, we saw how problematic that ended up being. Rant over.
@@nnnickname746 Well one thing for sure is that we're not writers, but we see what we see between Zuko and Katara, it may not fix the canon ship, but we all saw what they teased us IN the show and it was there since it aired
Facts, all facts! I love this video so much I watched it twice in one go. You managed to capture many points that I felt but couldn't put to words. I especially like the bit where you pointed out that Aang idealises Katara, whereas Zuko sees Katara for the human being she is. That's a feeling that I got throughout all 3 seasons but couldn't quite put it into words - bless this video i love it so much
Oh no. The pissy Kataang shippers are here to cry about why people don't have the same opinions as them. Aw, I can imagine their little pouty faces. I mean look at em, there's one throwing a temper tantrum around the comment section: "shut it RAWR 😡😤🤬😤😤😡" LMAO. Kataang shippers are _always_ so aggressive for no reason smh. We make joke videos or comments or critical analysis videos about why Zutara would've been better for the show, because we're free to do so, and they always barge in like "NOOO you're wrong and I'm better than you and you suck and Zutara sucks and Kataang's canon so shut up and CRY ABOUT IT 😤" Oh I remember the days when I was an irate hormonal kid who angrily typed away at everyone I disagreed with. Oh how humility changes you. And book 4 and LOK...yeah that honestly doesn't do much to bolster Kataang's case. In fact it's much worse. My girl Katara deserved so much more. But some people like looking at shallow or bad relationships so I cant yuck their yum too hard. Some people even ship things just because of the fanart! So who am I to judge? But. Aang should've gotten with Meng fr - or no one at all. Like, having him have a crush is fine, that's cute, but having romance so integrated into his character was a strange choice for a monk that's supposed to have no earthly attachments. His puppy love for Katara, a meat-eating fur-wearing woman, outweighs his seemingly unrelenting desire to uphold the integrity of his Air Nomad culture. I just dont think romance should have played such a large part in Aang's storyline. Platonic or familial love, instead? Sure, that'd be great! Aang choosing to save Katara instead of mastering the Avatar state during the Season 2 finale would've had the same impact - even greater of an impact - if Aang saved her out of his fierce platonic/familial love. It would also played more into his character because after losing his culture, his family, Aang finds a new family in Sokka & Katara (and the rest of the Gaang), and unlike the Air Nomads, he's not letting anything happen to his family ever again. It'd also explore his trauma to losing his people a little more than that one explosive moment at the beginning of the show. It would've reinforced the lessons about family the show teaches us while also allowing Aang to stay true to the culture he loves. It would've kept the message about love the same, but only this time, it's a Different Kind Of Love. It would've made a better connection and given more weight to Aang and Iroh's chat: connecting Zuko and Aang once again (Aang choosing love for the right reasons, and Zuko choosing "love" for the wrong reasons - both involving family.) It would've been even more powerful. I really think that would've been better for him. Like this isnt even a defense for Zutara, it's a defense for Aang's character arc. But anyways, the works the fandom created are better than ANY romance (except Suki and Sokka) the show runners could have created. I mean look at the messes in LOK. And sorry, kids, even the voice actors of Zuko and Katara (and Azula lol) ship it 🤷🏾♀️ So yeah this wasn't really a defense of Zutara, but moreso a small analysis of Aang's character. TLDR: I love found family.
@@gemkitten984 no I'm sorry aang literally works perfectly with katara and and is creator statements doesn't make sense your comment kataang works perfect Zuko VA say maiko is perfect even if is zutara shipper Katara VA ship zutara but literally say ship kataang too in canon you can't break 2 soulmates is impossible stop say shits Zutara is empathy/sympathy Aang and katara had consistent development and they had themes to be together Iroh in comics himself say katara and aang can do the next generation Aang and katara makes sense to fall romance stop this lies The fandom ship kataang more for reason Creator also call zutara impossible like Appa and momo Katara and aang they had everything perfect to fall romance and works lol
I felt it made more sense in the story for Aang and Katara to not end up together. For Aang to grow even more and mature and look forward to new love sometime in the future. Regardless of who Aang ended up with, as a kid I didn’t think they’d be together it til season 3 when I lost all hope for the ship to run its course in Aangs development.
this would hold any merit in my eyes if i got even the SLIGHTEST hint of zutara while watching the show i didnt even consider it a ship that people thought of
this is true and the tunnel of two lovers listen to the lyrics of the song it literally says two lovers forbidden from one another the war divides their people it relates to zuko and katara i dont care what anyone say
@@zafirkajee8487 yes ♥️ i’ll never understand how the writers were so capable to fumble ATLA’s romance aspect by pairing up the girl that mothered the whole gang with the kid mc not to mention other conflicting dynamics just to prove a point 🙏🏻
@@malll6333 well, I'd that's how you feel, I'm not going to try explaining. Some people just don't appreciate it. Although I do agree that the romance writing could have been better. Then maybe people wouldn't hate it so much🙏🏾
@@Demi_Dorks I do not understand Zutara shippers. I'll never understand how you look at two characters with very little genuine chemistry and zero interest and be like yep that's my otp. And if you want to get started on meh interactions, you guys have the best. Good job😁
Yo como mujer estoy 100% de acuerdo con lo de las edades, no me importa que tan poderoso sea Aang, está pelón y tiene 12, Zuko es mayor y tiene un cabello bellísimo así que la respuesta es obvia
grown ass adult kicking my feet and squealing whenever i think of zutara bro what is avatar doing to me (i have been a zutara supporter since i was a wee child and nothing has changed)
Completely agree with this! Uhm one more point for Zutara: Why are Zutara fanfictions top tier and goddamn perfect romance stories with complex political stuff, parallels and symbols???
@Ilikepooping Yeah, but you don't need to voice it, especially if it's content people make effort to create. Keep your opinion to yourself. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it. It's called basic manners.
@Ilikepooping Nothing, because I can't control you. I assume you're a child because a few aspects, but I'm saying. Don't go on videos to hate on the hardwork they made. It's rude, inconsiderate, and bratty.
Im not even that big of a Zutara shipper myself (or any shipper, im a 31yo dude), but i can't get over how bad the whole "Kataang romance" is in that show. Katara just has no agency in their "romance", it's always just Aangs POV and the one time they do seriously talk about their feelings at Amber Island, she rejects him - and Aang ignores her boundaries and tries to kiss her. Especially how Katara rejects him.. you can take all the copium in the world, but "im confused" is just girl-speak for: "i don't like you that way, but i don't want to hurt your feelings so i want to reject you in the most indirect way possible". Aang and Katara *NEVER* talk about their feelings ever again in the show, but suddenly in the finale they kiss and we are made to believe they now found each other. Like, excuse me? Did i miss 3 episodes of romantic development? Is this romance not just written for a 12 year old boy, but also by a 12 year old boy? Don't you realise that any serious relationship (yes, even at that age) needs more than one person being "nice" and persistent?
You are head chef material. This is exactly it. Contrary to popular belief, romantic subplots still gotta have plot. They have to have direction and be coherent just like any other writing. And I completely agree that Katara is done so dirty by it all. I’d rather have her single than have to deal with the fact she hardly had any focus in what is supposed to be her love story too.
The creators themselves literally said Katara was a "motherly figure" in the director's commentary in Book 3, so yeah, I guess the creators didn't give a shit about her.
Wow I agree to everything that you said plus I’m so pissed that Zuko ended up with Mai ugh I can’t stand her at all she treated Zuko like shit throughout their relationship! Zuko deserves nothing but respect and to be loved sorry for rambling I just have a huge crush on Zuko lol 😂
Also, i posted it on tumblr, if you notice Katara is all over Aang when they are friends hugging him and stuff and kissing him on the cheeks but when Aang is 100% honest with her about his feelings Katara after their first kiss in s3 is looking the other way embarrassed and then in the episode with the theatre play, she is saying that she is not sure about her relationship with Aang and she is confused and gets mad at him after he kiss her. So... that is not romantic for me and shows me that Kataang is better than Zutara as many Kataangers claim.
This video is good, i respect all shippers, but as a Kataang fan ofcourse you’ll never understand kataang fans at all, Imma explain why im a fan of it. Here we all know Katara had always been motherly to the gaang, but her love and affection is different for Aang, also changed when she realized that, what Aunt Wu said about her future partner would be a very powerful bender, in the Fortune teller episode she begin to realize that when Sokka said that Aang was very powerful in that volcano scene, you can see Katara’s expression changed, and started to zone out, and said “I suppose so” with a smile on her face, and not only that, when Katara said to Aunt Wu, will her partner be Tall, and handsome, and yes it was also true, when the gaang became adults u can see Aang is the tallest among the gaang, and very handsome indeed, if u havent seen that check on The Legend of Korra, and the book 4 ATLA comics. Plus if you catch this small detail in every season from the first episode to the last, you can see every time Aang wakes up Katara was there for him, and in every last episode we get to see Aang on Katara’s arms as if they were both hugging, there pay close attention to that screenshot those forst and last episodes. Next is from the episode of Cave of two lovers, if you noticed this small detail the soundtrack for Oma and Shu had the same love melody between Aang and Katara, that small melodic tune of a Guzheng Harp, you can also hear that from the ending of book 3 when both Aang and Katara kissed, replay those 2 episodes and listen to the soundtrack THE MUSIC, or rewatch the entire show just to hear Aang’s theme song “Avatar’s love” or “Into A Night Time Sky”, that sweet little Kalimba tunes, was played everytime the gaang is up in the sky riding Appa, but in the end/ finale, you can hear theres instrumentation ofc the kalimba sounds was still there, but includes the orchestra, it means both instruments were combined between Aang and Katara’s relationship, GOD BLESS YOU JEREMY ZUCK! She never was attracted to Zuko, you can also see why because she tried to threat him a couple of times, and she was protecting Aang saying “if you ever try to hurt Aang” she’ll hurt him back, clearly she hated him because he reminds her of what the fire nation did to her mother, which was taken away from her, and ofcourse at first she never hated Zuko, especially in book 1-2, but she did at book 3 after Zuko’s betrayal, because she trusted him before, but then he did the wrong choice, plus there was only 5 episodes of them becoming friends, THAT WILL MAKE THEIR RELATIONSHIP FEEL FORCED. Katara may seem very motherly to Aang, but we Kataang fans can see shes hiding those feelings for him, and why? Its because of her body language also the fidgeting, and playing with her hair, ITS VERY CLEAR especially her blushing towards Aang, every season we see how their relationship grow, also remember that episode on Sozin’s Comet on Book 3 when Aang finally kissed Katara, observe that moment between them, both of them were nervous to say something because they were about to confess each others feelings, then Aang says “You go first” and so she did, you can also see Katara getting nervouse while talking to him, especially when she said “And Ive seen you grown alot” which shows how she had gained alot of attraction to Aang more, then as Aang says “What if I don’t come back” Katara is trying to calm him down, then he kisses her back unexpectedly, at the end when Aang finally got away you can see her sweet smile as she watches Aang fly. Also you might think of that episode with them Ember Island Players, when Aang kissed Katara, definitely at the bad timing, Katara was just confused because they were still at war trying to defeat the fire lord, she really doesnt have time to be in a relationship with Aang, but she loves him, always has been. Lastly both Aang and Katara were able to help each other, to learn together, and grow together, which is why their relationship was never one sided, in fact their relationship was the strongest among the gaang, they were all balanced, and which is why their destinies were both intertwined. There thats all, i know its very long but i just want to explain. Technically the creators really did this on purpose, if you watched the documentary or interviews. Even the voice actor for Aang/ Zach Eisen agrees.
@@speakevermore doesn't matter Kataang facts is superior Zutara is empathy/sympathy and stated by creator is impossible for romance like Appa and momo😭 We already know can't work so as opinion you can like zutara in facts is kataang is superior.
I'm a big Zutara shipper, so dont anyone come for me, BUT...i wonder if everything was the same except Aang was hot and Zuko was kind of weird looking, would so many people ship Zutara? I 100% agree that Zutara is more compatible than Kataang, but i feel like Zuko being hot has a lot to do with people shipping them
I would. I mean we have stories like beauty and the beast, and some people shipped Quasimodo and Esmeralda, so it's far from impossible. Unfortunately looks do play a huge role, and the fact that Zuko is considered attractive is used as an invalidating point for the ship. Since many think that Zutara is only shipped because of their appearance.
I don’t think that’s necessarily why. Take hachi and takumi from nana for example, takumi was a very good looking privileged rockstar and nana was a pretty girl. They were a very superficial relationship that lacked depth and the fandom didn’t like their relationship solely because of lack of connection (and because of takumi’s attitude), not because of their looks.
I laugh with the videos so much because peoples they didn't read book 4 and they thinks this arguments is good😂 We all now kataang makes sense and zuko isnt for relationship his personality is very selfish and you cant understand kataang relationship and read book 4 Ofc the creator of the videos cant answer me because know im correct kataang is always better than zuko eho try to hurt katara and is 1 week friends
The video was entirely about the show and how it portrayed Kataraang vs. how it portrayed Zutara. Idk where the books came from in this argument lmao Also, I like both ships, I just hate how Kataraang was portrayed in the show and especially in LoK. Like. Katara was literally turned into the prize for Aang and there's just nothing else to her in Kataraang. That's so sad because she's an amazing character and she could've ended up with Aang without the writers dismissing her thoughts and feelings just to make the ship happen :(
@@catdownthestreet bruh In tlok katara is 85 years old is very old Retired is perfect for her lmao we don't know what they did in her whole life with aang but I'm sure She become something amazing lol don't forget that Kataang is the ship who makes the most sense is perfect work perfect and always Her feelings is in creator hands don't forget that literally stop She end up with aang and she becomes something amazing in her life and even if she retired she did it for her kids and is obviously many times something happened and she fight many times don't worry just wait the movies and you will see adult kataang and everywhere she become something who like
If you like an awkward one sided relationship between an immature pre pubescent 12 year old and an emotionally mature teenage girl who gets the Ginny Weasley treatment of becoming JUST the protagonists wife, sure. But if you like a romance that fits with the greater themes of the show and has any kind of chemistry at all, you pick Zutara.
@Yes_i_didwhy do you leave hateful comments on peoples videos that simply disagree with you on a fictional animated show? You told this TH-camr to stfu in another comment. Please go see someone about that if their calmly made video illicits that sort of reaction in you. You’ve got major issues that need to be solved if that’s the case, work on it.
This is ridiculous literally yes aang did 1 mistake 1 time who force her but he understands his fault zuko say he is the person with the most faults and try ti hurt katara because is eith aang Didnt robbed every moment thry had have depth and chemistry eith aang and they had same theme snd read and book 4 my favourite character is zuko i love thr development but mai deserve him and in the whole atla only aang deserve katara stoo the biased and accept the fact lol
And you're making a second comment that is supporting this channel just by existing!! If you really wanted to prove a point you'd talk to people who actually agree with you (aka Kataraang shippers) instead of commenting on a Zutara video like you're gonna change someone's mind Also, please learn how to spell, I wish I had some clue of what you're saying
Good argument against Kataang, actually some valid points. The reasons you gave pro Zutara kinda sucked, and they're the same things everyone says, so that part was kinda lacking. Also super biased, so... Yeah. I'm good
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@Emoaria2008 you're a disgrace to the Gacha community with these comments and that PFP. stop proving the toxic allegations true ffs
they hated her because she told them the truth
You guys just a bunch if teenagers who don't know what healthy relationships look like lol. Grow up first
Your presentation of Katara being Aang's mom got me thinking. Did Aang mistake storge, familial love, for eros, romantic love? Aang was raised by all male monks when he was at the Air Temple. He did travel occasionally, but the friends he made were all male. Perhaps he jumped to the conclusion that he loved Katara romantically and clung to that idea.
Wow this actually makes sm sense. And further explains on how he essentially idolizes her bc he's damn near only *heard* of girls. Let alone an older, beautiful girl
@@ryantagonist924 bruh
This beautiful girl
We see proves she like aang many times just because the war start she hide it
Kataang is on top
@@nikosmihailidis9440 i disagree. All we really see is that Aang had a crush on her most of the show.
@@ryantagonist924 aang have crush in katara from the ending in S1
Katara season 2 episode 2 she start her feelings she blush 3 times with aang and she kiss him in the lips she blush and In the book 3 she compliment aang and she feel jealous literally she just worried for the war and she hide her feelings for the war
This is the reason who say
I don't see you as brother just is not the right time we are in the war...
@@nikosmihailidis9440 to me, their romance just felt rushed and like fan service.
I’m saying this as someone who was a Kataanger all throughout the series airing, Zutara is by far the superior ship. As a kid, I shipped Kataang, but as I got older and gained a better understanding of relationships, writing, story, and characters, I saw just how heavily flawed and incompatible Kataang was and how Zutara was vastly superior and made so much more sense, and so I jumped ships. Zuko and Katara know, understand, and relate to each other better than anyone else in the show. They stand as equals who make each other better people and help one another grow. There was chemistry between them throughout the show (which the creators said they deliberately put in there), and even though I was a Kataanger and very anti-Zutara at the times, when Katara healed Zuko after their fight with Azula, I fully expected them to kiss and was surprised they didn’t. Katara had such a better and brighter future with Zuko than with Aang. She could have gone on to do great things, help bring the nations together and establish peace, even be a symbol of unity, harmony, and balance as Fire Lady despite being Water Tribe. Even from a political standing, it made sense for them to wed. Literally everything was there and worked perfectly for them as a couple and with a great future together. I actually took a writing course, and the way Zutara plays out literally aligns with how most modern romances novels do. Plus, they look really good together.
With Kataang, though, the relationship was heavily flawed, with Katara only showing 3 brief instances of any interest in Aang romantically throughout the enter series, and after they occurred, her behavior doesn’t change towards him at all, as if those moments never happened, and she continues to treat him like a son/little brother. Aang borderline stalks her and basically makes a claim on her without her consent, and constantly pressures her into returning his feelings. He even forces a kiss on her after she told him she was confused and didn’t want a relationship with everything going on with the war (that’s called sexual assault). The relationship really isn’t healthy. Aang is almost dependent on her and makes so many decisions that simply revolve around having her with him; he even chose to sacrifice the world and/or innocent people on more than one occasion because he wanted her more. And sure, I’ve heard the argument that Aang is just a kid and so doesn’t understand relationships and will mature, but that’s my point, Kataang wasn’t the epic romance Kataangers pretend it is.
Even in the post-series comic with them as a couple, uch, it’s horrible. Their dialogue with each other and the way they interact with each other is just… no. It’s not cute, or romantic, or attractive, or sexy, or even wholesome, it’s super cringy. And Katara becomes even more motherly and determine to please Aang in literally everything he wants and decides, even if she disagrees with him, just because she wants him to be happy. And look where she ended up. She becomes a baby-making stay at home mom/housewife whose best known for her healing (the very thing she fought Pakku against being stuck as). That’s like a woman fighting to get out of the kitchen just to turn around and go into the kitchen. She could have had so much potential, become a great master Waterbender, done so many great things, but no. Instead, she gets so little recognition that she’s the only member of the GAang that doesn’t get a statue of her, even though she was the one to defeat Azula. She deserved so much better.
And all this isn’t just me bashing the ship or expressing my opinion. We SAW how dysfunctional and broken their family life was in Legend Of Korra. I’m sorry to say it, but Aang is a bad father and husband. He overly-pressured Tenzin and forced everything he wanted on him and openly favored him while completely neglecting and ignoring his other two kids to the point where they all become resentful of him and of each other and held grudges they never get over and having their family divided and estranged. This can all point back to Katara never stepping up to address Aang’s behavior since she’s always mothering him and just wants him to be happy, so now their kids suffered greatly because she never did anything about the way Aang was treating them. This just shows how incompatible they are as a couple. It was even stated that despite becoming an adult, Aang never grew up (yet they tried to push the idea that Katara found that endearing), and that’s likely due to Katara always mothering him and being the adult, so he never had to grow up. Katara doesn’t need a little boy that she’s always catering to for a partner though, she needs a man, an equal. So we saw for ourselves just how poorly Kataang worked out and how so much of Katara’s potential was wasted when she could have had so much more with Zuko. I don’t think that’s how the writers intended Kataang to be, but if you actually look at it, that’s what happened.
So I’m sorry to all the Kataangers, but Zutara is vastly superior and makes so much more sense in literally every way. You’re free to ship Kataang all you want, power to you, but it falls way short of Zutara and what could have been, especially compared to what we saw the result of Kataang was in LoK. Kataang may have been the canon ship, but Zutara is the better one. So much potential lost for a poorly written and undeserved “hero gets girl” trope. Zutara has unlimited potential that has so many good things possible for both Katara and Zuko, while Kataang, well, we saw how problematic that ended up being.
Rant over.
Thank you!
You sir have my huge respects, I 100% agree with you!!
And how would canon Zutara fix these problems?
@@nnnickname746 Well one thing for sure is that we're not writers, but we see what we see between Zuko and Katara, it may not fix the canon ship, but we all saw what they teased us IN the show and it was there since it aired
I ship 4 zutara
Facts, all facts! I love this video so much I watched it twice in one go. You managed to capture many points that I felt but couldn't put to words. I especially like the bit where you pointed out that Aang idealises Katara, whereas Zuko sees Katara for the human being she is. That's a feeling that I got throughout all 3 seasons but couldn't quite put it into words - bless this video i love it so much
Kataang is much better than zutara I'm sure you didn't read book 4 stop talking you will understand why is much better
Oh no. The pissy Kataang shippers are here to cry about why people don't have the same opinions as them. Aw, I can imagine their little pouty faces. I mean look at em, there's one throwing a temper tantrum around the comment section: "shut it RAWR 😡😤🤬😤😤😡" LMAO. Kataang shippers are _always_ so aggressive for no reason smh. We make joke videos or comments or critical analysis videos about why Zutara would've been better for the show, because we're free to do so, and they always barge in like "NOOO you're wrong and I'm better than you and you suck and Zutara sucks and Kataang's canon so shut up and CRY ABOUT IT 😤"
Oh I remember the days when I was an irate hormonal kid who angrily typed away at everyone I disagreed with. Oh how humility changes you.
And book 4 and LOK...yeah that honestly doesn't do much to bolster Kataang's case. In fact it's much worse. My girl Katara deserved so much more. But some people like looking at shallow or bad relationships so I cant yuck their yum too hard. Some people even ship things just because of the fanart! So who am I to judge?
But. Aang should've gotten with Meng fr - or no one at all. Like, having him have a crush is fine, that's cute, but having romance so integrated into his character was a strange choice for a monk that's supposed to have no earthly attachments. His puppy love for Katara, a meat-eating fur-wearing woman, outweighs his seemingly unrelenting desire to uphold the integrity of his Air Nomad culture. I just dont think romance should have played such a large part in Aang's storyline. Platonic or familial love, instead? Sure, that'd be great! Aang choosing to save Katara instead of mastering the Avatar state during the Season 2 finale would've had the same impact - even greater of an impact - if Aang saved her out of his fierce platonic/familial love. It would also played more into his character because after losing his culture, his family, Aang finds a new family in Sokka & Katara (and the rest of the Gaang), and unlike the Air Nomads, he's not letting anything happen to his family ever again. It'd also explore his trauma to losing his people a little more than that one explosive moment at the beginning of the show. It would've reinforced the lessons about family the show teaches us while also allowing Aang to stay true to the culture he loves. It would've kept the message about love the same, but only this time, it's a Different Kind Of Love. It would've made a better connection and given more weight to Aang and Iroh's chat: connecting Zuko and Aang once again (Aang choosing love for the right reasons, and Zuko choosing "love" for the wrong reasons - both involving family.) It would've been even more powerful. I really think that would've been better for him. Like this isnt even a defense for Zutara, it's a defense for Aang's character arc.
But anyways, the works the fandom created are better than ANY romance (except Suki and Sokka) the show runners could have created. I mean look at the messes in LOK. And sorry, kids, even the voice actors of Zuko and Katara (and Azula lol) ship it 🤷🏾♀️
So yeah this wasn't really a defense of Zutara, but moreso a small analysis of Aang's character. TLDR: I love found family.
@@gemkitten984 no I'm sorry aang literally works perfectly with katara and and is creator statements doesn't make sense your comment kataang works perfect
Zuko VA say maiko is perfect even if is zutara shipper
Katara VA ship zutara but literally say ship kataang too in canon you can't break 2 soulmates is impossible stop say shits
Zutara is empathy/sympathy
Aang and katara had consistent development and they had themes to be together
Iroh in comics himself say katara and aang can do the next generation
Aang and katara makes sense to fall romance stop this lies
The fandom ship kataang more for reason
Creator also call zutara impossible like Appa and momo
Katara and aang they had everything perfect to fall romance and works lol
@@gemkitten984 Well said!
Love her or hate her, she's spitting the facts
I didn't realize that bias and facts were the same thing these days 😂
When I was 14 I had a crush on a friend who was 16 . There was no way that I would like a 12 year old.
I felt it made more sense in the story for Aang and Katara to not end up together. For Aang to grow even more and mature and look forward to new love sometime in the future. Regardless of who Aang ended up with, as a kid I didn’t think they’d be together it til season 3 when I lost all hope for the ship to run its course in Aangs development.
So much facts and very entertaining.
this would hold any merit in my eyes if i got even the SLIGHTEST hint of zutara while watching the show
i didnt even consider it a ship that people thought of
mm, fair. if you don't get it you're allowed to not like the ship. as long as you're not being a hater.
3:55 his moment is so iconic :))) I keep rewatching your reaction and it keeps on getting funier
You're so right about everything 🙏
SO BASED..... they r the standard fr the great great warship of the 2000-2005 n who is still relevant like 15 years later........ate fr
this is true and the tunnel of two lovers listen to the lyrics of the song
it literally says two lovers forbidden from one another the war divides their people it relates to zuko and katara i dont care what anyone say
I really enjoyed this. Just my kind of humour.
Bro, your name is 'Ilikepooping'.
Zutara solos real!
Lol
I do not understand Kataang shippers. Like how u gonna look at THAT and think "yep that's my otp"
You'll never understand
@@zafirkajee8487 yes ♥️ i’ll never understand how the writers were so capable to fumble ATLA’s romance aspect by pairing up the girl that mothered the whole gang with the kid mc not to mention other conflicting dynamics just to prove a point 🙏🏻
@@malll6333 well, I'd that's how you feel, I'm not going to try explaining. Some people just don't appreciate it. Although I do agree that the romance writing could have been better. Then maybe people wouldn't hate it so much🙏🏾
I never did understand them 😔 just seeing their katara and aang's interactions were just.....meh 😕
@@Demi_Dorks I do not understand Zutara shippers. I'll never understand how you look at two characters with very little genuine chemistry and zero interest and be like yep that's my otp. And if you want to get started on meh interactions, you guys have the best. Good job😁
Forced adultification of Katara by ATLA fandom should be studied
???
Yo como mujer estoy 100% de acuerdo con lo de las edades, no me importa que tan poderoso sea Aang, está pelón y tiene 12, Zuko es mayor y tiene un cabello bellísimo así que la respuesta es obvia
you show a very charismatic presentation) and your arguments it's just
undeniable facts!!
grown ass adult kicking my feet and squealing whenever i think of zutara bro what is avatar doing to me (i have been a zutara supporter since i was a wee child and nothing has changed)
Completely agree with this! Uhm one more point for Zutara: Why are Zutara fanfictions top tier and goddamn perfect romance stories with complex political stuff, parallels and symbols???
Art is top tier too.
12 and 14 is a before and after puberty situation lol
I hit puberty at 10 bruh it varies
Underrated.
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@Ilikepooping If you dislike Zutara, why are you here?
@Ilikepooping Yeah, but you don't need to voice it, especially if it's content people make effort to create. Keep your opinion to yourself. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it. It's called basic manners.
@Ilikepooping Nothing, because I can't control you. I assume you're a child because a few aspects, but I'm saying. Don't go on videos to hate on the hardwork they made. It's rude, inconsiderate, and bratty.
@@yura4529gee, we now live in a world where your opinion has to be nice. Completely not the point of an opinion 🤣
I couldn’t have said it better myself
BAHAHAHAA I LOVE THIS
LoL not surprised
Im not even that big of a Zutara shipper myself (or any shipper, im a 31yo dude), but i can't get over how bad the whole "Kataang romance" is in that show. Katara just has no agency in their "romance", it's always just Aangs POV and the one time they do seriously talk about their feelings at Amber Island, she rejects him - and Aang ignores her boundaries and tries to kiss her.
Especially how Katara rejects him.. you can take all the copium in the world, but "im confused" is just girl-speak for: "i don't like you that way, but i don't want to hurt your feelings so i want to reject you in the most indirect way possible". Aang and Katara *NEVER* talk about their feelings ever again in the show, but suddenly in the finale they kiss and we are made to believe they now found each other. Like, excuse me? Did i miss 3 episodes of romantic development? Is this romance not just written for a 12 year old boy, but also by a 12 year old boy? Don't you realise that any serious relationship (yes, even at that age) needs more than one person being "nice" and persistent?
You are head chef material. This is exactly it.
Contrary to popular belief, romantic subplots still gotta have plot. They have to have direction and be coherent just like any other writing. And I completely agree that Katara is done so dirty by it all. I’d rather have her single than have to deal with the fact she hardly had any focus in what is supposed to be her love story too.
@@LonelyLittleTofuyou again? Kataang is fire 🔥
@@Ariais_sad Why hello there! I’m actually kinda delighted. Hope you’re doing well!!!
@@LonelyLittleTofu i was doing well until i remembered your exist
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I LİKE THİS THANKS FOR DOING THIS VIDEO :D
love this lol. hi hind! it's billy (andy's older sister, the Filipino) lol love these vids hope youre doing well :))
Yes hi billy!!! thank u so much hope ur doing well too :) 🥰
Aang and Katara always make up by the end of the episode, but it doesn't happen at the end, they argue a few times and it doesn't get resolved.
You got my subscribe when you referred to BTS
The sokka x katara caught me off gaurd😭🙏
I almost WISH Zutara actually happened, then people would stop hating on Aang
Every time someone calls Katara Aang's babysitter (or mother figure) they just prove how much they don't give a shit about her at all.
Blame the sus ass writing.
@@umno8927 And the creators, not only that, look how they ruined Katara in the comics and LoK
The creators themselves literally said Katara was a "motherly figure" in the director's commentary in Book 3, so yeah, I guess the creators didn't give a shit about her.
@@haruzanfuucha when was it confirmed that Aang sees her as a mother figure and vice versa?
@@engineering9065 and why do aang’s feelings matter? 🤔 katara treated him like her sibling/child for 90% of the show regardless
at this point i ship them out of pure spite since sfcc 2008
Wow I agree to everything that you said plus I’m so pissed that Zuko ended up with Mai ugh I can’t stand her at all she treated Zuko like shit throughout their relationship! Zuko deserves nothing but respect and to be loved sorry for rambling I just have a huge crush on Zuko lol 😂
Fact so facts
when i first watched avatar i shipped zutara because my mom ships it
Good points 👍👍
please link good Zutara fanfics
You’re clearly very intelligent
Also, i posted it on tumblr, if you notice Katara is all over Aang when they are friends hugging him and stuff and kissing him on the cheeks but when Aang is 100% honest with her about his feelings Katara after their first kiss in s3 is looking the other way embarrassed and then in the episode with the theatre play, she is saying that she is not sure about her relationship with Aang and she is confused and gets mad at him after he kiss her. So... that is not romantic for me and shows me that Kataang is better than Zutara as many Kataangers claim.
I still ship kataang over zutara but that's just my opinion though
yeah you're allowed to ship it lol, this video was made for people who like Zutara anyways
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Vi supremacy
@@itshanood vi supremacy indeedy!
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Where u heard that from? 🤨🏃♀️🏃♀️🏃♀️
This video is good, i respect all shippers, but as a Kataang fan ofcourse you’ll never understand kataang fans at all,
Imma explain why im a fan of it.
Here we all know Katara had always been motherly to the gaang, but her love and affection is different for Aang, also changed when she realized that, what Aunt Wu said about her future partner would be a very powerful bender, in the Fortune teller episode she begin to realize that when Sokka said that Aang was very powerful in that volcano scene, you can see Katara’s expression changed, and started to zone out, and said “I suppose so” with a smile on her face, and not only that, when Katara said to Aunt Wu, will her partner be Tall, and handsome, and yes it was also true, when the gaang became adults u can see Aang is the tallest among the gaang, and very handsome indeed, if u havent seen that check on The Legend of Korra, and the book 4 ATLA comics.
Plus if you catch this small detail in every season from the first episode to the last, you can see every time Aang wakes up Katara was there for him, and in every last episode we get to see Aang on Katara’s arms as if they were both hugging, there pay close attention to that screenshot those forst and last episodes.
Next is from the episode of Cave of two lovers, if you noticed this small detail the soundtrack for Oma and Shu had the same love melody between Aang and Katara, that small melodic tune of a Guzheng Harp, you can also hear that from the ending of book 3 when both Aang and Katara kissed, replay those 2 episodes and listen to the soundtrack THE MUSIC, or rewatch the entire show just to hear Aang’s theme song “Avatar’s love” or “Into A Night Time Sky”, that sweet little Kalimba tunes, was played everytime the gaang is up in the sky riding Appa, but in the end/ finale, you can hear theres instrumentation ofc the kalimba sounds was still there, but includes the orchestra, it means both instruments were combined between Aang and Katara’s relationship, GOD BLESS YOU JEREMY ZUCK!
She never was attracted to Zuko, you can also see why because she tried to threat him a couple of times, and she was protecting Aang saying “if you ever try to hurt Aang” she’ll hurt him back, clearly she hated him because he reminds her of what the fire nation did to her mother, which was taken away from her, and ofcourse at first she never hated Zuko, especially in book 1-2, but she did at book 3 after Zuko’s betrayal, because she trusted him before, but then he did the wrong choice, plus there was only 5 episodes of them becoming friends, THAT WILL MAKE THEIR RELATIONSHIP FEEL FORCED.
Katara may seem very motherly to Aang, but we Kataang fans can see shes hiding those feelings for him, and why? Its because of her body language also the fidgeting, and playing with her hair, ITS VERY CLEAR especially her blushing towards Aang, every season we see how their relationship grow, also remember that episode on Sozin’s Comet on Book 3 when Aang finally kissed Katara, observe that moment between them, both of them were nervous to say something because they were about to confess each others feelings, then Aang says “You go first” and so she did, you can also see Katara getting nervouse while talking to him, especially when she said “And Ive seen you grown alot” which shows how she had gained alot of attraction to Aang more, then as Aang says “What if I don’t come back” Katara is trying to calm him down, then he kisses her back unexpectedly, at the end when Aang finally got away you can see her sweet smile as she watches Aang fly.
Also you might think of that episode with them Ember Island Players, when Aang kissed Katara, definitely at the bad timing, Katara was just confused because they were still at war trying to defeat the fire lord, she really doesnt have time to be in a relationship with Aang, but she loves him, always has been.
Lastly both Aang and Katara were able to help each other, to learn together, and grow together, which is why their relationship was never one sided, in fact their relationship was the strongest among the gaang, they were all balanced, and which is why their destinies were both intertwined.
There thats all, i know its very long but i just want to explain.
Technically the creators really did this on purpose, if you watched the documentary or interviews.
Even the voice actor for Aang/ Zach Eisen agrees.
So facts brother
@@nikosmihailidis9440 im actually gurll but thank uuu
@@alpha_jasperflair1097 oh my bad anyway you speak with facts
Read this. Respect your opinion. Disagree.
@@speakevermore doesn't matter
Kataang facts is superior
Zutara is empathy/sympathy and stated by creator is impossible for romance like Appa and momo😭
We already know can't work so as opinion you can like zutara in facts is kataang is superior.
I'm a big Zutara shipper, so dont anyone come for me, BUT...i wonder if everything was the same except Aang was hot and Zuko was kind of weird looking, would so many people ship Zutara? I 100% agree that Zutara is more compatible than Kataang, but i feel like Zuko being hot has a lot to do with people shipping them
I would. I mean we have stories like beauty and the beast, and some people shipped Quasimodo and Esmeralda, so it's far from impossible. Unfortunately looks do play a huge role, and the fact that Zuko is considered attractive is used as an invalidating point for the ship. Since many think that Zutara is only shipped because of their appearance.
I don’t think that’s necessarily why. Take hachi and takumi from nana for example, takumi was a very good looking privileged rockstar and nana was a pretty girl. They were a very superficial relationship that lacked depth and the fandom didn’t like their relationship solely because of lack of connection (and because of takumi’s attitude), not because of their looks.
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I laugh with the videos so much because peoples they didn't read book 4 and they thinks this arguments is good😂
We all now kataang makes sense and zuko isnt for relationship his personality is very selfish and you cant understand kataang relationship and read book 4
Ofc the creator of the videos cant answer me because know im correct kataang is always better than zuko eho try to hurt katara and is 1 week friends
I laugh at how you don't know how to spell.
@@ladybugmom79this isn't problem
Still kataang solo
The video was entirely about the show and how it portrayed Kataraang vs. how it portrayed Zutara. Idk where the books came from in this argument lmao
Also, I like both ships, I just hate how Kataraang was portrayed in the show and especially in LoK. Like. Katara was literally turned into the prize for Aang and there's just nothing else to her in Kataraang. That's so sad because she's an amazing character and she could've ended up with Aang without the writers dismissing her thoughts and feelings just to make the ship happen :(
@@catdownthestreet bruh
In tlok katara is 85 years old is very old
Retired is perfect for her lmao we don't know what they did in her whole life with aang but I'm sure
She become something amazing lol don't forget that
Kataang is the ship who makes the most sense is perfect work perfect and always
Her feelings is in creator hands don't forget that literally stop
She end up with aang and she becomes something amazing in her life and even if she retired she did it for her kids and is obviously many times something happened and she fight many times don't worry just wait the movies and you will see adult kataang and everywhere she become something who like
Kataang is better, sorry! Good argument, tho!
I agree
If you like an awkward one sided relationship between an immature pre pubescent 12 year old and an emotionally mature teenage girl who gets the Ginny Weasley treatment of becoming JUST the protagonists wife, sure. But if you like a romance that fits with the greater themes of the show and has any kind of chemistry at all, you pick Zutara.
@Yes_i_didwhy do you leave hateful comments on peoples videos that simply disagree with you on a fictional animated show? You told this TH-camr to stfu in another comment. Please go see someone about that if their calmly made video illicits that sort of reaction in you. You’ve got major issues that need to be solved if that’s the case, work on it.
@@marzipantart Spoken like a politician
@@marzipantart "one-sided relationship" your ship is zero-sided, be serious
This is ridiculous literally yes aang did 1 mistake 1 time who force her but he understands his fault zuko say he is the person with the most faults and try ti hurt katara because is eith aang
Didnt robbed every moment thry had have depth and chemistry eith aang and they had same theme snd read and book 4 my favourite character is zuko i love thr development but mai deserve him and in the whole atla only aang deserve katara stoo the biased and accept the fact lol
And aang see katara as everything stop the shits literally aang make her happy and understand about his mother I can't with the lies💀
And aang see katara as everything stop the shits literally aang make her happy and understand about his mother I can't with the lies💀
And you're making a second comment that is supporting this channel just by existing!! If you really wanted to prove a point you'd talk to people who actually agree with you (aka Kataraang shippers) instead of commenting on a Zutara video like you're gonna change someone's mind
Also, please learn how to spell, I wish I had some clue of what you're saying
Good argument against Kataang, actually some valid points. The reasons you gave pro Zutara kinda sucked, and they're the same things everyone says, so that part was kinda lacking. Also super biased, so... Yeah. I'm good
Most were. Which ones did you agree with?
@IlikepoopingThen?
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