It always kind of bothers me when people say that Aang is way too immature for Katara or Zuko is more mature for her. By the end of book 3, Aang has matured immensely and to be honest, he probably becomes the most mature kid in the group.
I know right! Aang is already way more mature than zuko in season 1 😂 but people always make exceptions for zuko in some kind of way and Aang only becomes more mature. Plus one of the reasons I think Katara loves Aang is cause he brings her joy and laughter and excitement but also gets serious when it comes to it
Not really; if anything, Aang was at his most immature in season 3, as he constantly runs away from his problems (which he gets rewarded for), and starts developing an unhealthy limerence towards Katara which becomes possessive and causes him to become entitled
oh no... lmao... i was here just to get my joy out of shitting on Zutara, and then started genuinely tearing up at the thought of Zuko projecting his desires for a healthy sibling relationship onto Katara, since his own sister of the same age hates him and has rejected him his whole life
It actually makes so much sense though. In “The Search” comic too, Zuko sees how Katara and Sokka behave together as siblings and he tries to act similarly to Azula but she just isn’t the same. He wants that kind of relationship with his sibling, he wants to be a big brother, and care for and protect someone
I loved how you talked about the similarities between Zuko and Katara and how Katara ends up being a sister Zuko always wanted. It made me appreciate the 2 characters even more.
Sneezy reviews says that zuko saving katara is similar to scenes where a characters love interests is in danger and its all sloe motion and the character dives in to save them 😡😡😡😡😡😡
I hate it when people say that Zutara makes more narrative sense than Kataang even though Kataang has been the one built up for 2 and a half seasons and the big “Zutara moments” mostly happen in those five episodes of them actually being friends which if they did go with it would’ve felt unsatisfying, rushed, and incredibly forced so then at that point no one would be happy
@@LM-ix7pk They had plenty of good development, people would just rather ignore it in favor of a ship that had no canonical evidence behind it, and then blowing up tiny moments to support the ship they preferred.
@@alanal5997 You mean she DIDN'T imply she wanted to kiss Aang, and might possibly HAVE kissed him, during the Cave of Two Lovers!? Gasp! I never could've KNOWN!!! It's still more than any of the crap people who ship Katara claim as "proof" that their ship was "supposed to be canon."
No they didnt really have development because every time they had a 'moment' they carried on afterwards as if nothing had changed between them and the show literally did that on purpose. It strung along the relationship between Katara and Aang on purpose to give them that 'will they/won't they routine' and that was kind of the point. You can literally see development between characters when moments or events change the dynamic between characters to make them act or behave different towards each other. This doesn't really happen until the day of black sun when Aang legitimately kisses Katara and she can no longer ignore his feelings for her but even after that they don't acknowledge that kiss until Ember Island Players. They continue to carry on as if nothing happened ON PURPOSE to keep you guessing as to whether they were going to get together. That's how story telling works. So they may have been friends for a long time but they didnt start actually exploring Katara and Aang together until pretty much Day of Black Sun where Katara became aware of Aangs feelings. Time together does not equal development.
It's hard to call that development when you can't meaningfully differentiate their attitude towards each other before and after each developmental moment.
The thing with the Zutara argument while it's fine if you ship it. A common argument is that their emotional baggage is the same losing their mothers at a young age. It's technically the same for Kataang Aang has also lost his mother during the air nomad genocide. Also Zuko's mother isn't dead Ursa is alive and back in the comics so at the end it's more the same for Kataang.
I like zutara a tiny bit but these are all very good points i never understood demonizing aang while ignoring zukos flaws and putting him on a pedastal
I think its because aang is portrayed like that by the show itself, but Zuko was always portrayed a villain but he overcame his flaws. Did aang overcome his flaws? No, he didnt.
@@sparkyblue7016Aang overcame a lot of his flaws throughout the series. From him accepting himself, forgiving himself, and actually facing his problems and responsibilities. He had just as much development as Zuko he just wasn’t a villain so people tend to to not give him as much credit.
As someone who likes opposites attract, Zuko and Katara never got me attached because again, they're so similar. Aang and Katara always got me because their development was expanding for all the seasons. They're the true opposites attract.
So true. The dynamic between the two characters mainly through Katara’s emotion and how Aang grounds her is amazing writing. They work so well together I honestly don’t understand what show Zutara shippers watched. Their case rlly boils down to the “he’s the bad boy” like 90% of the time
Another case is Zuko had a whole ass girlfriend he knew since he was a kid, in prison who saved him a few episodes before the end and Katara kissed Aang like five times and was constantly blushing around Aang since the first episode.
Fr. People always forget about Mei, or say that she doesn’t actually love him and they had no chemistry but I honestly disagree. Not every relationship is going to look the same, because people are different.
@@alwayseverythingg I think their relationship just seems superficial and unstable. That one scene were Zuko monologues about his worries and Mai responds with "I just asked if you were cold I didn't ask for your whole life story" says a lot about how their relationship is. With multiple breakups and lack of proper communication between them, it just doesn't seem to be a healthy relationship.
Also some of the Zutara fans are zutara fans because they’re just coping that they didn’t get together and most of these fans either put down Aang and call him an incel which blows my mind. I’m going to say this, Katara has more of a brain then most of these people, Katara likes Aang because he stands for what he believes in, he likes to help people, also without Katara. Aang would have ripped apart the sandbenders. Katara is also smart enough to know not to do a 180 and start flirting with Zuko like she’s been doing with Aang
I ship Kataang and I agree with everything you said, Besides if you ship zutara, np there's no slander there you can ship what you want But I just wanted to say that I personally dont like zutara because most zutara fanfiction, etc trash one or 2 characters [mai, aang] are usually the victim of trashing in order to make zutara better and I never liked that Idk if its just me but that's just my opinion
Ive also heard alot of Zutara fans being very toxic ngl, but some zutara fans were casual, as i have observed they always try to look on appearances, they even judged Aang’s appearance calling him, an ugly bald annoying, cringy child, mannn that surprised me for a moment, they preferred Katara and Zuko because both of them were attractive and matured.
Yeah. I ship Kataang 100%, but I don’t really care if people prefer Katara and Zuko. But the problem starts when people start going after Aang and attacking and criticizing the kid for every little thing. Especially for appearance because yeah he is bald, it is part of air nomad culture and part of his identity.
Zutara fans: they have such good chemistry That one scene in the ember island players of them moving away from each other after the actors say they like each other: I beg ur pardon?
That part about Bias had me going "EFFING FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!!" I cannot begin to get into the toxic fans who cling to characters they "love," while hiding all their flaws and negatives, or adding negatives to characters they dislike. It's annoying, and invalidates whatever kind of "point" they were going for since they can't acknowledge that they are biased.
This is so, so good. Thank you for compiling these. The one thing I would add to this is that these arguments *for* Zutara are (mostly) coming from a Western lens while the show is centered around and inspired by Asian cultures. It’s unfair to classify Aang as 'unattractive' simply because he doesn’t fit into the mold of traditional Western masculine hero. It’s shown that he has many admirers in his age range, including Koko, Meng, and On Ji. Like you said, just because Zuko and Katara are conventionally attractive doesn't mean they're attracted to each other.
@@LM-ix7pk No, people use it whenever they want to make a joke at Aang's expense, or when it's the REAL reason they don't ship Kataang. People are often much more shallow then they realize, myself included, and they can be drawn to or against something based on those shallow biases. The fact that you explicitly called it a shallow misinterpretation is your own bias speaking, because you are denouncing the possibility entirely rather than seriously trying to challenge the validity of the argument, and then mocking the credibility of the creator of the video.
@Herr.M Well, no two people are gonna have the exact same experiences. I often think people's criticism of his manner is often uncalled for because "dude, you are criticizing a kid, a TRAUMATIZED kid at that, for acting like a kid. What is wrong with you? Ship what you wanna ship, that's none of my business, but that's not cool." Particularly when there "in-context" arguments often feel very one-sided to me and biased against Aang by twisting the situation into being worse than it is.
@Herr.M Yeah... no. That is not the case. I'm not gonna argue with someone who is unwilling to listen and dismisses Aang as childish because of his age. I'm 22, and I know people who act the same way, or even more goofy. That's just how he is. He's traumatized by his circumstances, but no one who is traumatized acts that way all the time; it's called suppression. Katara doesn't act like a grief-stricken wreck all the time, yet you acknowledge that she's traumatized! The only difference is that you are brushing off Aang's because he's younger than her.
Katara: Lost her mom to Fire Nation Zuko: Lost his mom[Not fully technically] to Fie Nation Zutarians: DO YOU SEE THE FUCKIN "COUPLE CHEMISTRY" BETWEEN THE TWO?!
No but tell me why i actually have seen the argument that zutara should have happened instead of kataang for the only mentioned reason that “zuko and katara both lost their moms.”
@@yura4529 true! not to generalize, but a lot of kataangers always strawman zutaraians and/or vitriolically insult them. it's a shame to see such toxicity.
I don't like the idea that people think of them as siblings. I'm a Zutarian and even I can agree that the two in a relationship would have a lot of complications. But I also don't agree that they would be like siblings. Why can't they have a friendship relationship? Friendships are one of the best kinds of relationships you can have. I wish relationships could be just platonic without The notion of either you're my sister or you're my girlfriend. (edit) I'm 100% okay with Zuko and Katara not ending up together, but I also don't see Katang being good either. Ide rather Katara not date either boy. Katara is a Water Queen
Whenever I’m feeling down, I remember that the creators of Avatar actually mocked the Zutara shippers at Comic Con with a video and told them that they will forever have doomed relationships. It never fails to make me laugh
You do know that those 30 year old men mocked literal children, right? Like even if you dislike a ship, you, as a creator, should never mock the fan art of your fans. That shows both ungratefulness and parasocial behavior. Made even more creepy when you find out they insert in Aang.
@@ashton_playz9341 you should totally mock people who disrespect you and your job. You do know how many hate comments Bryke receives (to this day) for not bending to the will of the whiny and delulu part of the fanbase? People who claim to be fans of a story that they clearly don’t understand are hilarious. Also, the “self insert” criticism towards Bryke is pathetic. If you’re going to criticize a storyteller for portraying a character with good morals like Aang succeeding in getting in a relationship with his love interest, just because you think “KATARA HOT, AANG SHORT. KATAANG BAD. KATARA HOT, ZUKO HOT, ZUTARA GOOD” you deserve to be ridiculed for the dumb and shallow individual that you are.
I love both Katara and Zuko but they don’t work as a couple they’re both hot headed and stubborn and often get grumpy when things won’t work out and I think they’re both better off as friends and they work well as a team and have brother sister type relationship and I hate how some people bash Aang and Mai and say that they’re both toxic and terrible partners to Katara and Zuko it’s gets annoying why can’t people just have their ships without bashing other characters and ships
I mean… I have only argued against one Zutara shipper. It was my friend who loves fanfic. I understand where she is coming from, she sees herself in Katara and she loves Zuko so the logical conclusion is to ship the character she identifies with with the character she’s attracted too. I think this sentiment is what affects a lot of young female fans that grew up with the show. I can’t remember exactly what my counter arguments were but I remember my friend bringing up points in the series that was evidence for Zutara and would simply tell her what Katara/Zuko’s actual motivations during those scenes were. Even the fricken Ember Island players make fun of the ship and Zuko and Katara give each other the awkward glance.
Yes!!!!Thank goodness, FINALLY I know the scenes of zuko and katara together is not romantic but I don't know how to explain it. So thank YOU for explaining. Also for some zutara fans I mean no offence, so please don't cause a war when there is not needed to. I am just a person sharing my thoughts like any human being. You can do the same thing as well just don't say any toxic words just because people has their own thoughts.
Don't forget, Aang needed someone to repopulate the air nomads, and any other character wouldn't have made any sort of narrative sense or satisfaction.
Just Just for 1 sec look at Zutarian's logistics yeah? In the Crystal cave scene: Katara feels for Zuko for having no mom [AS KATARA IS CHARACTERISTICALLY A FOOKIN CARING MOM FRIEND! AND SOKKA LITERALLY SAYS HOW KATARA JUST DOESN'T HATE ANYBODY! [Except those who do Crimes. The typical Nerdy Good Girl] So Katara being the good girl & Healer she is gives Zuko a chance of mercy & tries to help with his scar. Now if you didn't know earlier, NO FOOIN DOCTOR IS GONNA JUST GIVE YOU A FOOKIN TREATMENT UNLESS HE/SHE HAS A PROPER LOOK & FEEL OF YOUR FOOKIN DISEASE! So Katara casually tries to examine Zuko's scar. Zutarians: SEE THIS SHIT! THIS SHIT REAL LOVE BABY! KATARA WILL ONLY GROW STRONGER AS A FEMALE IF SHE DATES ZUKO & ALWAYS FIXES HIS *PERSONAL* SHIT UP COZ OF HIS INDECISIVENESS! KATARA DIDN:T EVEN TOUCH AANG'S WOUND AFTER AZULA HIT HIM [Yea Coz who gives a damn fuck about the fact that we only get to see the last scene of Aang's healing session Unlike we see Zuko's healing sessions 1st part only. Plus No shits also given to the fact how Katara Literally Flows over everybody to save Aang and Breathes a sigh of Relief like she gained her life back when Aang opened his eyes!]
honestly, i wouldnt hate zutara if it werent for its fanbase (i would be indifferent tho). zutara fans are kind of insufferable, they insist that their crack pairing is or was meant to be canon (both blatantly untrue) and they put so much pressure on newer members of the fandom to ship them even though the pairing has no romantic chemistry. they really need to get over their middle school crushes on zuko and appreciate the extravaganza of amazing storytelling and adorable canon ships that is avatar
I wanna get a speaker and put it outside of a zutara shippers house and play this full blast 😌 ( frr tho I love the way you made your points , this was all put together extremely well and even if some ppl don’t agree everything you said was true , this whole video was just facts and not slander and I love it , I don’t have anything against you if you ship zutara but you can’t deny that this is all true . I love how you made a point to say not to put other characters down to bring your idea of what should’ve been canon up *cough* *cough* (Aang) none to less I loved this video ❤️
"I wanna get a speaker and put it outside of a Zutara shippers house and play this full blast 😌" 🤦♀️ I don't even ship but I honestly I'm starting to get why y'all hate each other if you're _this_ disrespectful towards each other's difference of opinion and _this_ prepared to shove it down each other's throats. You say you don't have anything against people who ship Zutara while saying the above - maybe check the kind of message you're giving off there, it might be more closely related to the cause of the ship war than the actual ships involved. For the record, cards on the table because I know the shippers will be thinking it, I have a slight bias against Kataang because Aang's kisses without clear consent and Katara's subsequent upset make me _super_ uncomfortable, but that's about it. Ever since getting back into this fandom a couple weeks ago I've been trying to hear both sides of the argument but honestly, screw it. This by far isn't the worst thing these shippers have said about each other but honestly maybe it's the veneer of being nice while being disrespectful that finally got to me with this. Warring Zutara and Kataang shippers who are _this_ invested in showing each other up are the poison of the fanbase. Glad I watched this video; sincerely disappointed I read the comments.
@@AlashiaTuol I wrote this 8 months ago and my views on it has changed a lot like I still think it’s a weird ship but I don’t really give a fuck if you do ship it. I’m definitely not gonna come for someone if they ship zutara I just don’t care enough. I don’t wanna shove my opinion down anyone’s throat because since the 8 months I wrote this I’ve joined a lot of new fandoms and I now know how it feels to ship something that’s not canon. Ofc I still have an opinion on the ship but I will most certainly display it more respectfully now.
@Herr_M no, because killing someone is something that can totally actually happen and it’s a vicious act of violence. Blasting a video in front of “every zutara shipper’s” house is both infeasible and inconsequential.
I just sometimes wonder as to Exactly how do Zutarian's minds work! Like they really fookin say that Zuko ENCOURAGING THE SAME GIRL THAT BROKE DOWN ON HER KNEES COZ SHE MERELY LEARNT BLOODBENDING WOULD MAKE THAT GIRL EMOTIONALLY STRONGER & MATURE Rather than Aang Facing Katara and making herself take the decision to whether Grow strong enough to Forgive ppl/Stay weak enough to take revenge! Like FR?!
the only part of this video i disagree with is when you said they were like siblings. I just see them as best friends. part of the reason zutara annoys me so much is that zutara shippers are trying to make a great platonic friendship between a boy and a girl romantic. strong Platonic friendships between a boy and a girl in movies and tv shows are so rare. it’s amazing that Atla decided to make one
This ship is truly a meme. Over 10 years ago, they disrespected Bryke and the entire show of ATLA just because the ship didn’t become canon. There was a reason Mai broke up with him, Zuko is worse with girls than Aang is, to be honest.
I feel like all of these reasons are exactly *why* I ship them. They had amazing relationship growth, they understand each other because of their similarities, they help each other grow because theyve overcome similar personal flaws, etc. Obviously they dont like each other in the series... thats what we *wished* happened.
lol Zuko's 16 whilst Katara is 14- he's 2 years older than her. Aang is 12 (and maybe 13 by the end of the series) while she's 14- SHE'S 2 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM LOLLLLLLLLLLL IT'S THE SAME AGE GAP (edit) now I think it's kinda creepy, so I don't ship Kataang. It's also one of the reasons why I don't ship Zutara.
different context though. I personally just can't get behind it because I've been the kid who ends up essentially babysitting a lot (essentially in any context where there are kids any age younger than me) and the crush-on-the-babysitter trope irks me to no end because the last thing I would have wanted as a 14 year old would have been to babysit my partner (there's a certain personality that's put on when working- like with how Katara would be really encouraging with Aang during training [vs. Toph's tough love approach]. Coddling is fine for teaching, but it can be an unhealthy instinct in a relationship). So between the two ships on that, I would side with zutara. I still agree with most the points in the video though.
@snow the gaang aren't regular kids. they're in a war and act differently from kids in real life. and 2 year age gap isn't that bad at all, some people have a 10 year age difference.
Not to mention the Crystal Catacombs scene...Katara felt Zuko's scar was something that needed to be healed. But Mai always tenderly caresses Zuko's scar.
Honestly with all the respect in my heart it's all is there love story is like a beauty and the beast the love story we forever wanted and most popular in media and other canon relationship is how to tell you is just normal
I wish people would just have a more open mind to the concept instead of just bashing people for liking Zutara before even trying to understand why we like it. You're all so mean to us when we just see it differently to you. I rarely see a Zutara fan hating on or being cruel to people who ship Kataang. I dare you to watch Sneezy Reviews video "Get in losers we're shipping Zutara" with an open mind and just try and understand that there are so many different aspects of their relationship and all the relationships and the story giving some validity to Zutara. And don't be put off by the title. She is very fair and does not just bash people who like Kataang for the length of the video.
Actually I've seen a lot more Kataang bashing but both side bash eachother so neither side is innocent. I don't hate the idea of Zutara I see the vision😂 I just dont think Zuko and Katara would work long term and it would be more like a summer relationship that doesn't lasts and fizzles out or they just are miserable together If they tried to make it work long term. Aang and katara make eachother happy and Zuko and Mai make eachother happy
Great video and the case against that ship is well done. However the filming of you on TikTok sort of distract from the pictures. Other than that good video.
I never understood why people ship Zutara, I absolutely hate the ship, from the beginning I knew that Kataang would happen, I don't understand how people can even think of Katara and Zuko like that, idk why but I hate you if you ship them
You just took and expressed in an unbelievably clever and clear way that I could not have been so good say but what I had in mind about this and the other video about kataang
i only watched the first bit of you giving "context" to certain scenes. i think you should research the term "sub-text", particularly "romantic sub-text" in any type of literature analysis. because imho these are not reasons to prove Zutara is ... real? or something. no, these are not inherently romantic, and i don't think that's the point. the point is why do people ship it regardless of those not being necessarily romantic scenes (objectively speaking), but rather pivotal points in the development of their dynamic "enemies to maybe-allies to betrayal to one-sided hate to reluctant allies to friends". and why so many viewers find that so compelling, not just because "omg! they hugged!". ps. i'm not commenting on the rest of the video because just based on your first chapter, it's an argument that's already been debunked. but i think you do come from a place of caring to give a nuanced opinion, so thanks for that! it's something that fandom discourse lacks and can be very appreciated in the midst of so much toxicity nowadays ^^
I personally have never heard most of the "pro Zutara" arguments in this video. This is why I ship them: th-cam.com/video/eRxtWMODfAc/w-d-xo.html Edit:LMAO I SHIP KATAANG NOW
@@Devinisapimp2019 Not what I meant. Some of these arguments are either rebuttals (which makes sense) or just confusing. Like the one about the attraction. I've been in the Zk fandom a while, I haven't seen people say that Zuko and Katara were attracted to each other in canon.
@@chemifan6784 yes not in canon but some zutara fans take scenes out of context to make it seem that way not all of them but I personally have seen it on social media
3:17 but Zuko took responsibility for his actions. Aang ( when he kissed Katara after she just said she was confused) did not. Not saying to point out all of aangs flaws and ignore Zukos but I'm just saying.
Yes he did. He took responsibility during the Ember Island Players, when he kissed Katara in a fit of jealousy, only to immediately regret it and apologize. This video isn't meant to critique Aang. It's purpose is literally only to deconstruct and point out the flaws behind the Zutara ship, as it pertains to the show itself.
@@kylemorgan2301 i'm not trying to get into a arguement with you here, but, while-yes your right-Aang did feel bad about. After Katara ran back inside the theater, Aang's words were: Aang: Ugh! I'm such and idiot! But he never apologizes to Katara about. Can you argue that it's technically not owning up to his mistake because the person that he wronged was never given a "I'm sorry" Yes, I know this video is about the flaws about Zutara, But it is a little odd that a she uses a argument against Zuko when the same thing could be said about Aang's actions.
@@kennedymcmaster419 Because AGAIN, it's not about Aang. This is a video about Zutara, NOT Kataang. If you made a video critiquing Kataang, THEN you would have something of a point. This isn't a Kataang video. It's sole purpose is to dissect Zutara and the common attitudes, defenses, and "proof" that some of it's more aggressive shippers use to support it. It made it clear at the start that this video is only going to focus on Zutara.
@@kennedymcmaster419 I never thought you were, I was pointing out that this video isn't about Aang at all. This is purely about Zuko, Katara, and the arguments people use to support the ship between them. Plus, Aang has apologized for a LOT of his own screw-ups as well, and blames himself both for the deaths of the Air Nomads and the Fire Nation gaining such a huge advantage in the war, and apologized for hiding the scroll meant for Bato, something he did purely due to his fear of being left alone, a very relatable and understandable fear for a boy who lost literally EVERYONE he loved and is functionally all alone in the world save for Katara and Sokka at that point in time; Zuko HAS apologized for the things he's done, but like the video said, that doesn't erase the fact that they happened, and that many of those things were truly reprehensible. He only apologized after having his ego beaten to hell and back, stomping a burning march up and down the world chasing Aang, and betraying his uncle. The point of that section of the video was that people who like Zuko shouldn't handwave aside his actions for fics detailing events prior to S3 or act like he had character development that wasn't there prior to that season. Canonically speaking, prior to S3, Katara had no reason to like Zuko and nearly EVERY reason to hate him with every fiber of her being. That isn't a criticism of the ship, that's just acknowledging the facts of the show as they are. If someone really wants Zutara, they need to be willing to put in the work to justify it in fanfics, and accept that it doesn't have the canon "evidence" behind it that they like to claim it does. That's true of basically all ships in fanfics, you have to show the work that goes into any realistic and healthy relationship.
Okay, but even if we acknowledge that Zutara was clearly never the show's intended direction for their characters-fans are still entitled to think that would have preferred to have seen it if it were played in that direction rather than seeing what was actually played in that direction. (If that makes sense?) Like what people think is or would have been the better ship doesn't always have to based specifically or only on what was actually there in canon-it's okay to consider, sometimes, what _could_ have been there too ...even if it was never actually there. **HOWEVER** Different people express attraction in different ways. Sometimes, even the same person can and will occasionally express their attraction differently with certain persons than with other persons. Lots of people don't get blushy or self-conscious when they're in love. People who can't relate to experiencing those kinds of feelings may just wish they could see more romances on-screen sometimes where characters also might not always experience those particular kinds of feelings even while they are in love either. It's kinda like even unintentional homoerotic subtext being so wildly popular sometimes when there isn't enough overt homo-romance on screen.😅 Sometimes audiences long for what isn't there to be there, not only just for whatever is actually there. And I think that's kind of okay. But, apart from all of that, yeah-even though I personally would have preferred seeing Zutara over most of the canon ships, it was still never my personal fave ship either, and I never believed it was actually supported by canon / recognized many reasons why as the canon stood it would have been a relatively problematic ship.
I agree with you, sometimes shipping is just for fun and not based on canon moments (like Kya and Lin who never interact in TLOK), but the idea of those characters together seems interesting. And there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is when people start complaining that they were robbed, spreading conspiracy theories that all the writers were pro Zutara and it was going to be canon but evil Bryke chose Kataang because "self insert", that Kataang was rushed/forced, and demonizing Aang.
@@mloumarx Yeah- Exactly! 🙂 (Unless they're only complaining about being "robbed" but like, jokingly, just because they think it would have been so much fun to have seen it be explored in actual canon....not because they seriously believe they were somehow cheated out of it when they shouldn't have been, or whatever; although, within certain reason, of course there can be certain moments where feeling legitimately robbed of what might've or could've been is okay too. As long as it doesn't get too out of control, and comes from something other than mere wishful thinking, or such. Lol)
Okay not all of your points are correct or I don't agree with all of them but I understand what you are trying to say from all of this and I definitely agree with most of your points and cases. I kinda agree with you but people don't really ignore zuko 's flaws. Also I just want to defend zuko by saying yeah he made mistakes but he never killed people or hurted anyone actually iroh himself may have killed people and made more damage than zuko did ( I mean iroh made more damage before seeing the truth and the fire nation and you get the point) I don't hate zurara but it has one problem and it is that even after zuko redeemed himself katara didn't trust him which is completely fine and understandable. But then she basically threatened to kill him FOR AANG . That alone speaks for itself. Also kataang had 3 seasons to develop while zutara had only one season to develop. Also it is so disrespectful to zuko 's character to think that when he saved katara in his fight against for azula it was because he liked katara. He saved katara because he us a good kind person he realised his friend was going to get hurt and he saved her.
@@okkelly6207 "toxic" --- respect the limits and consent "misogynist" ----- a relationship of equals where the woman does not bear all the emotional responsibility of the relationship LOL stop humiliating yourself
@ Stephanie Romero mhm right. and do u THINK zuko respected katara when he stole her necklace? invaded her tribe? attempted genocide? fought her almost to the death multiple times? tracked her all other the world? betrayed her? called her peasant? water tribe filth? do u think it was “respecting her limits” when zuko burned innocent villages to a crisp? i like zuko but he wasn’t some respectful perfect prince charming to katara, he was cruel and manipulative (see episode where her steals her prised possession-neckalce)
@ Stephanie Romero as for the misogyny that’s not so much on canon… that’s on most of u shippers. do u have any idea how much katara is sexualised and zuko is infantilised, how katara is mischaracterised and stripped of her depth and personality. how she is reduced to a meer “wifey” for zuko, or else some angsty edge lord. another incredibly misogynistic thing is when zuko is constantly expressing emotions and his hurt, neglect, trauma etc. but katara being the “gOoD gIrL” she is makes it her life ambition to “fix” zuko (which is a horrible old sexist trope) i also hate that the shippers focus on “fire lord katara” not even acknowledging her culture and tribe, but keeping zuko with his nation. idk i just find it gross how so many of the fans handle the ship. it’s racist how the brown girl is always mollycoddling and trying to “fix” this guy how gives her 0 respect in return. also the demonisation of aang and mai (the canon love interests) is so cruel. my evidence? you may ask? well, the fact that in your reply you said that kataang was more toxic and misogynistic than ZUTARA. when kataang is clearly a wholesome, developed, REALISTIC relationship. where katara is ACTUALLY happy. yall zutarians claim to care about katara but put her in a ship with someone who brings out the worst in her? puts her in her lowest? is that really what you want for katara and zuko? them to fight and hurt each other? or do u just want blue and red… fire and water? actually ask yourself…
I’m sorry but after how Katara was treated throughout the series then through the comics and in LOK that made her a literal housewife who barely spoke her mind anymore Kataang completely ruined her I would’ve rather her be alone if that was going to happen 😕
When did LOK make her a literal housewife who barely spoke her mind anymore? Her literal first season had her speaking her mind and actively encouraging Korra to do what she felt was right rather than letting the White Lotus decide her destiny FOR HER.
@Yari What do you mean she never spoke her mind in the comics or in THE LEGEND OF KORRA? When Zuko, Aang and the Earth King were in conflict over what to do with the Fire Nation colonies in THE PROMISE, she convinced both Aang and the Earth King to reconsider their positions. She's basically the reason why the colonies became the United Republic. In NORTH AND SOUTH, she made it clear that she didn't like how the Northern Water Tribe was changing the Southern Water Tribe; she made it clear that she didn't trust Maliq and Malina. In THE RIFT and IMBALANCE, Katara gave Aang advice and reassurance whenever he felt conflicted about a difficult situation. (Is there no place for the spirits in our world? Can we create a world that grows while protecting/preserving what's already here? Should I take away Liling's bending?) In the Tarrlok/Amon/Yakone flashback from the first season of THE LEGEND OF KORRA, we learn that Katara was the one who outlawed bloodbending. When Korra completed her firebending test and wanted to immediately jump into airbending, the White Lotus members and the firebending instructors asked *Katara* if she believed Korra was ready. When Katara said "yes," they told Korra she could start training with Tenzin. Katara was powerful, outspoken and influential during the war *and* after the war. In Korra's time, people still respect her as a master waterbender and consider her to be one of the best (if not the best) in the entire world. Getting together with Aang didn't change that. Having children (and grandchildren) didn't change that.
Lmao what maybe just wanted to settle down and have kids with aang she still is a badass in the comics also in her older years she helped rebuild the southern water tribe and even had her own clinic not everything is about fighting
@@spiderverse616 well it’s mostly her behaviour like my friend lili once showed me something someone said “I’m sending this to my Kataanger friend” and she responded with “oh no 😂” the poor girl/boy probably felt bad for shipping Kataang also the fact that she fucking brainwashes people into shipping Zutara and her ignorance to her fans! Like she only hearts comments that are bashing Kataang
I just want to say thank you for all the anti zuatara because let me tell you these people are very mean and I just appreciate this video and your other content
1.) Zuko and Katara are at War. He's doing all this because he's desperate to get home. Zuko is also doing it all for the fire nation, he wanted his father's love. They are enemies, it's normal for them to be in this situation. That's what Season 1 Zuko is all about. What matters is that Zuko changed and they eventually become friends in the end. 2.) No, Zuko did not encourage Katara. He only informed her to earn her trust. It was Katara's decision, she was the one who wanted closure. She was the one who decided to walk to dark part of her life and Zuko is the ONLY ONE who accompanied her. No one else tried to understand her, not even her brother or her canonical love interest. Zuko faced his abuser, Ozai because he wanted a closure too, soooo why can't Katara do the same? 3.) That bias has nothing to do with Zutara. Yes, Zuko did all those things. He did more problematic things than Aang that's why his redemption has such a great impact and is constantly praised. Zuko is way more popular than Aang and that's just a fact because Aang's character development is not that good to begin with. Also, it's because Zuko is not the protagonist who constantly is preaches about righteousness and peace and not hurting people. 4.) Yes that is indeed shallow. But the point of having a good grounded relationship is you fully accept the fact that your partner is imperfect. You work together and understand each other and communicate. Most importantly, YOU GIVE to one another. Silly things like blushing after seeing the person as a perfect angel, are not needed. Stuff like that is puppy love, teenage crush, and Shallow. Which is what Kataang has been showcasing throughout the show. 🤷♀️ 5.) Yea, because they've been enemies for like most of the show, it would be awkward. He was on a date with that girl and Mai is his girlfriend so naturally he is inclined to do those things. As for Katara, she knows that Aang like her so off course she'd do those things, lol. Also, You're saying that Zuko also insults and snaps at girls he's attracted to? Cause he literally insults the way Jin ate and called Mai "a big blah." 6.) Lol, How do you know he just wanted a sister? How about friendship? Zuko still cared for Azula as seen in the comics and he wanted for her to get better. Also, why would Zuko see Katara as another Azula? He knows they're nothing alike, he only wanted her forgiveness not so that he can start over with another better version of Azula. 7.) Again, that's because they were ✨enemies✨ and at war with each other. One of the main points of Zuko's redemption arc is forgiveness, which is what Katara grants him. They became good friends then. Once again you're pointing out things that make Zutara development more incredible. 8.) Yep that's correct. That friendship is a good foundation enough for Zutara as lovers after their eventual friendship in the Fanfics. Many Zutara shippers don't even want that kiss cause that would be rushed and forced as Kataang's. 9.) Ok yea, but Katara was still the mother of the group. She's Aang's replacement for all the people he lost that's why she constantly coddles and protects him. Sokka pretty much admits that he was raised by Katara. Who was Katara supposed to lean on when dealing with her darkness? I could only think of one person mature enough in the Gaang 🤔. Zuko has learned and experienced hardships throughout his banishment. They are the most mature of the group. He only acts that way because he had inner turmoil. 10.) You keep mentioning the episode but did you actually watch it? The Southern raiders has Katara finally forgiving Zuko, and you said they became friends then finally, so doesn't that require ummmmm, trust? Also did you not watch the final Agni Kai? Katara recklessly runs to Zuko in a desperate attempt to heal him. She even cries at the end for him. So why? Why wouldn't she still trust him? 🤦♀️ Epilogue: Sorry Zuzu, it looks like your redemption arc and the healthy relationships you acquired will not get through some people. It looks like everything you did throughout the show is written in permanent ink in the book of grudge. Anyways, I'm a new Avatar fan, but all these arguments against Zutara are old. Yea, you can convince me and other team Zutara people that it's not canon and that it was all ship baiting, but one thing that you can't convince us is that Zutara is wrong. I mean we're still arguing for it more than a decade later. PS. You should watch Sneezy Reviews 2 hr. video, she does it better than me.
Your arguments are coming from what ifs and outside of what happened in the show. You’re only hoping these things happen eventually (zutara) you have to look at the SHOW. Stop talking about what if and things you’re projecting because of your own personal bias.
I felt like a lot of your points came from the 1st season, which is meh for convincing me. Also, I noticed you didn't really support Kataang in the video. Honestly I'd be happier if Katara didn't end up with anybody. Just friends
It always kind of bothers me when people say that Aang is way too immature for Katara or Zuko is more mature for her. By the end of book 3, Aang has matured immensely and to be honest, he probably becomes the most mature kid in the group.
I know right! Aang is already way more mature than zuko in season 1 😂 but people always make exceptions for zuko in some kind of way and Aang only becomes more mature.
Plus one of the reasons I think Katara loves Aang is cause he brings her joy and laughter and excitement but also gets serious when it comes to it
Not really; if anything, Aang was at his most immature in season 3, as he constantly runs away from his problems (which he gets rewarded for), and starts developing an unhealthy limerence towards Katara which becomes possessive and causes him to become entitled
oh no... lmao... i was here just to get my joy out of shitting on Zutara, and then started genuinely tearing up at the thought of Zuko projecting his desires for a healthy sibling relationship onto Katara, since his own sister of the same age hates him and has rejected him his whole life
It actually makes so much sense though. In “The Search” comic too, Zuko sees how Katara and Sokka behave together as siblings and he tries to act similarly to Azula but she just isn’t the same. He wants that kind of relationship with his sibling, he wants to be a big brother, and care for and protect someone
Also people often hate on Katara for the same reasons they love Zuko. The sexism in this fandom really hits sometimes.
Why do people hate katara she is not my Favorit but i dont hate her
@@moinmoin591idk maybe cause she's bossy
@@chordsofsteel-i4jso is Zuko. Honestly, I find it hard to hate any character within the series.
With all due respect I don't like romance in general and special in avatar the last airbender romance was literally the weakest part
@@sourov3122 Lol, I dont despise Kataang, but do they REALLY need that sparkly filter of Katara at he start of every romantic epiode?
You did toph so dirty when you said off they can see 🤣😂
I saw an opportunity lol
I was brushing my teeth and almost choked when that popped up 😂
I loved how you talked about the similarities between Zuko and Katara and how Katara ends up being a sister Zuko always wanted. It made me appreciate the 2 characters even more.
Glad I’m not the only one who feels about it
Sneezy reviews says that zuko saving katara is similar to scenes where a characters love interests is in danger and its all sloe motion and the character dives in to save them 😡😡😡😡😡😡
@@spiderverse616 Let's be honest people, he could have done it for anyone in the Gaang
@@davidthedrawbird8687 yeah
@hedrawbird8687 Sneezy reviews didn't deny that he would've done it for others but just said framing of that scene has romantic coding
I hate it when people say that Zutara makes more narrative sense than Kataang even though Kataang has been the one built up for 2 and a half seasons and the big “Zutara moments” mostly happen in those five episodes of them actually being friends which if they did go with it would’ve felt unsatisfying, rushed, and incredibly forced so then at that point no one would be happy
Just becuase kataang existed for longer doesn’t mean they had good development
@@LM-ix7pk They had plenty of good development, people would just rather ignore it in favor of a ship that had no canonical evidence behind it, and then blowing up tiny moments to support the ship they preferred.
@@alanal5997 You mean she DIDN'T imply she wanted to kiss Aang, and might possibly HAVE kissed him, during the Cave of Two Lovers!? Gasp! I never could've KNOWN!!! It's still more than any of the crap people who ship Katara claim as "proof" that their ship was "supposed to be canon."
No they didnt really have development because every time they had a 'moment' they carried on afterwards as if nothing had changed between them and the show literally did that on purpose. It strung along the relationship between Katara and Aang on purpose to give them that 'will they/won't they routine' and that was kind of the point. You can literally see development between characters when moments or events change the dynamic between characters to make them act or behave different towards each other. This doesn't really happen until the day of black sun when Aang legitimately kisses Katara and she can no longer ignore his feelings for her but even after that they don't acknowledge that kiss until Ember Island Players. They continue to carry on as if nothing happened ON PURPOSE to keep you guessing as to whether they were going to get together. That's how story telling works. So they may have been friends for a long time but they didnt start actually exploring Katara and Aang together until pretty much Day of Black Sun where Katara became aware of Aangs feelings. Time together does not equal development.
It's hard to call that development when you can't meaningfully differentiate their attitude towards each other before and after each developmental moment.
i totally agree but i just wanna see more of there friendship
The thing with the Zutara argument while it's fine if you ship it. A common argument is that their emotional baggage is the same losing their mothers at a young age. It's technically the same for Kataang Aang has also lost his mother during the air nomad genocide. Also Zuko's mother isn't dead Ursa is alive and back in the comics so at the end it's more the same for Kataang.
I like zutara a tiny bit but these are all very good points i never understood demonizing aang while ignoring zukos flaws and putting him on a pedastal
I think its because aang is portrayed like that by the show itself, but Zuko was always portrayed a villain but he overcame his flaws. Did aang overcome his flaws? No, he didnt.
@@sparkyblue7016Aang overcame a lot of his flaws throughout the series. From him accepting himself, forgiving himself, and actually facing his problems and responsibilities. He had just as much development as Zuko he just wasn’t a villain so people tend to to not give him as much credit.
As someone who likes opposites attract, Zuko and Katara never got me attached because again, they're so similar. Aang and Katara always got me because their development was expanding for all the seasons. They're the true opposites attract.
So true. The dynamic between the two characters mainly through Katara’s emotion and how Aang grounds her is amazing writing. They work so well together I honestly don’t understand what show Zutara shippers watched. Their case rlly boils down to the “he’s the bad boy” like 90% of the time
wow i found someone who put my arguments in one whole 10 minute video thank you
Another case is Zuko had a whole ass girlfriend he knew since he was a kid, in prison who saved him a few episodes before the end and Katara kissed Aang like five times and was constantly blushing around Aang since the first episode.
Fr. People always forget about Mei, or say that she doesn’t actually love him and they had no chemistry but I honestly disagree. Not every relationship is going to look the same, because people are different.
@@alwayseverythingg I think their relationship just seems superficial and unstable.
That one scene were Zuko monologues about his worries and Mai responds with "I just asked if you were cold I didn't ask for your whole life story" says a lot about how their relationship is. With multiple breakups and lack of proper communication between them, it just doesn't seem to be a healthy relationship.
Water tribe peasant LMAO okay but why did that remind me of Malfoy?-
Also some of the Zutara fans are zutara fans because they’re just coping that they didn’t get together and most of these fans either put down Aang and call him an incel which blows my mind. I’m going to say this, Katara has more of a brain then most of these people, Katara likes Aang because he stands for what he believes in, he likes to help people, also without Katara. Aang would have ripped apart the sandbenders. Katara is also smart enough to know not to do a 180 and start flirting with Zuko like she’s been doing with Aang
Honestly, I like both of the parings, but I really wish we got more Zuko and Katara friendship moments.
I ship Kataang and I agree with everything you said,
Besides if you ship zutara, np there's no slander there you can ship what you want
But I just wanted to say that I personally dont like zutara because most zutara fanfiction, etc trash one or 2 characters
[mai, aang] are usually the victim of trashing in order to make zutara better and I never liked that
Idk if its just me but that's just my opinion
i love ur name haaha xD i live for bolin 💗
i heard more key jinggling than the amount of time she said zutara lol but nice video
Lol that's my dog. She sometimes doesn't stay still.
@@amandacastrillo oooooh lol XD
Just inform them that Aang ends up taller, that'd be enough for most shippers to change their minds.
Ive also heard alot of Zutara fans being very toxic ngl, but some zutara fans were casual, as i have observed they always try to look on appearances, they even judged Aang’s appearance calling him, an ugly bald annoying, cringy child, mannn that surprised me for a moment, they preferred Katara and Zuko because both of them were attractive and matured.
Yeah. I ship Kataang 100%, but I don’t really care if people prefer Katara and Zuko. But the problem starts when people start going after Aang and attacking and criticizing the kid for every little thing. Especially for appearance because yeah he is bald, it is part of air nomad culture and part of his identity.
Zutara fans: they have such good chemistry
That one scene in the ember island players of them moving away from each other after the actors say they like each other: I beg ur pardon?
That part about Bias had me going "EFFING FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!!" I cannot begin to get into the toxic fans who cling to characters they "love," while hiding all their flaws and negatives, or adding negatives to characters they dislike. It's annoying, and invalidates whatever kind of "point" they were going for since they can't acknowledge that they are biased.
This is literally what I say every time! Escpecially when people say opposites attracts!!
This is so, so good. Thank you for compiling these. The one thing I would add to this is that these arguments *for* Zutara are (mostly) coming from a Western lens while the show is centered around and inspired by Asian cultures. It’s unfair to classify Aang as 'unattractive' simply because he doesn’t fit into the mold of traditional Western masculine hero. It’s shown that he has many admirers in his age range, including Koko, Meng, and On Ji. Like you said, just because Zuko and Katara are conventionally attractive doesn't mean they're attracted to each other.
I fully agree! It rubs me the wrong way when people rag on Aang's appearance, too. It's his culture. His character is proud of it.
@@amandacastrillo that’s a straw man. Nobody seriously uses Aang’s looks as an argument. What a shallow way of misinterpretation zutara
@@LM-ix7pk No, people use it whenever they want to make a joke at Aang's expense, or when it's the REAL reason they don't ship Kataang. People are often much more shallow then they realize, myself included, and they can be drawn to or against something based on those shallow biases. The fact that you explicitly called it a shallow misinterpretation is your own bias speaking, because you are denouncing the possibility entirely rather than seriously trying to challenge the validity of the argument, and then mocking the credibility of the creator of the video.
@Herr.M Well, no two people are gonna have the exact same experiences. I often think people's criticism of his manner is often uncalled for because "dude, you are criticizing a kid, a TRAUMATIZED kid at that, for acting like a kid. What is wrong with you? Ship what you wanna ship, that's none of my business, but that's not cool." Particularly when there "in-context" arguments often feel very one-sided to me and biased against Aang by twisting the situation into being worse than it is.
@Herr.M Yeah... no. That is not the case. I'm not gonna argue with someone who is unwilling to listen and dismisses Aang as childish because of his age. I'm 22, and I know people who act the same way, or even more goofy. That's just how he is. He's traumatized by his circumstances, but no one who is traumatized acts that way all the time; it's called suppression. Katara doesn't act like a grief-stricken wreck all the time, yet you acknowledge that she's traumatized! The only difference is that you are brushing off Aang's because he's younger than her.
Finally someone actually complied a list of the reasons the ship doesn't actually work. Loved this.
Alr alr lets go send this to all of my zutara friends-
Also both of them have hair development throughout the series.
Katara: Lost her mom to Fire Nation
Zuko: Lost his mom[Not fully technically] to Fie Nation
Zutarians: DO YOU SEE THE FUCKIN "COUPLE CHEMISTRY" BETWEEN THE TWO?!
No but tell me why i actually have seen the argument that zutara should have happened instead of kataang for the only mentioned reason that “zuko and katara both lost their moms.”
Please refrain from insulting them. Just because they ship something different, doesn't mean they deserve being insulted for their views.
@@yura4529 true! not to generalize, but a lot of kataangers always strawman zutaraians and/or vitriolically insult them. it's a shame to see such toxicity.
@@blubblubblup It's sad to see it happen, but people will be people.
Katara's like the sister he never had, not his gf lol
I don't like the idea that people think of them as siblings.
I'm a Zutarian and even I can agree that the two in a relationship would have a lot of complications. But I also don't agree that they would be like siblings. Why can't they have a friendship relationship? Friendships are one of the best kinds of relationships you can have. I wish relationships could be just platonic without The notion of either you're my sister or you're my girlfriend. (edit) I'm 100% okay with Zuko and Katara not ending up together, but I also don't see Katang being good either. Ide rather Katara not date either boy.
Katara is a Water Queen
Whenever I’m feeling down, I remember that the creators of Avatar actually mocked the Zutara shippers at Comic Con with a video and told them that they will forever have doomed relationships. It never fails to make me laugh
I need to find this now 💀
@@psychedelicyeti6053 “Avatar Book 4: Air SDCC” look it up, it’s one of the most hilarious things ever
You do know that those 30 year old men mocked literal children, right?
Like even if you dislike a ship, you, as a creator, should never mock the fan art of your fans. That shows both ungratefulness and parasocial behavior. Made even more creepy when you find out they insert in Aang.
@@ashton_playz9341 you should totally mock people who disrespect you and your job. You do know how many hate comments Bryke receives (to this day) for not bending to the will of the whiny and delulu part of the fanbase?
People who claim to be fans of a story that they clearly don’t understand are hilarious.
Also, the “self insert” criticism towards Bryke is pathetic. If you’re going to criticize a storyteller for portraying a character with good morals like Aang succeeding in getting in a relationship with his love interest, just because you think “KATARA HOT, AANG SHORT. KATAANG BAD. KATARA HOT, ZUKO HOT, ZUTARA GOOD” you deserve to be ridiculed for the dumb and shallow individual that you are.
am i toph because i cant see how people ship zutara
Facts
Zutara is bad couple
Mind if I use this as a reference?
Sure!
I love both Katara and Zuko but they don’t work as a couple they’re both hot headed and stubborn and often get grumpy when things won’t work out and I think they’re both better off as friends and they work well as a team and have brother sister type relationship and I hate how some people bash Aang and Mai and say that they’re both toxic and terrible partners to Katara and Zuko it’s gets annoying why can’t people just have their ships without bashing other characters and ships
Toxic Zutara shippers are like “THEYRE OPPOSITES ATTRACTYY!!!” But not really-
Can we just take a moment to acknowledge how Katara's Signature Waterslap Thingy move was the very 1st Waterbending technique she Learnt from Aang!
I ship zutara but I understand this and I don’t hate in angg for many reasons and I understand katangg but they got the short stick on ship names lol
Amazing analysis, couldn’t agree more 👏👏
This was BRILLIANT all so true.
YAY I LOVED IT
I mean… I have only argued against one Zutara shipper. It was my friend who loves fanfic. I understand where she is coming from, she sees herself in Katara and she loves Zuko so the logical conclusion is to ship the character she identifies with with the character she’s attracted too. I think this sentiment is what affects a lot of young female fans that grew up with the show. I can’t remember exactly what my counter arguments were but I remember my friend bringing up points in the series that was evidence for Zutara and would simply tell her what Katara/Zuko’s actual motivations during those scenes were. Even the fricken Ember Island players make fun of the ship and Zuko and Katara give each other the awkward glance.
I have an idea for a next Avatar video: a serious case against Sozin, because people actually think he had good intentions.
Yes!!!!Thank goodness, FINALLY I know the scenes of zuko and katara together is not romantic but I don't know how to explain it. So thank YOU for explaining. Also for some zutara fans I mean no offence, so please don't cause a war when there is not needed to. I am just a person sharing my thoughts like any human being. You can do the same thing as well just don't say any toxic words just because people has their own thoughts.
yessss totaly agreed
Don't forget, Aang needed someone to repopulate the air nomads, and any other character wouldn't have made any sort of narrative sense or satisfaction.
I wonder if more people prefer kataang or zutara
kataang for me
i think it’s about equal. there might be a little more kataang shippers but it’s hard to tell
I FOUND MY PEOPLE
Just Just for 1 sec look at Zutarian's logistics yeah?
In the Crystal cave scene:
Katara feels for Zuko for having no mom [AS KATARA IS CHARACTERISTICALLY A FOOKIN CARING MOM FRIEND! AND SOKKA LITERALLY SAYS HOW KATARA JUST DOESN'T HATE ANYBODY! [Except those who do Crimes. The typical Nerdy Good Girl]
So Katara being the good girl & Healer she is gives Zuko a chance of mercy & tries to help with his scar.
Now if you didn't know earlier, NO FOOIN DOCTOR IS GONNA JUST GIVE YOU A FOOKIN TREATMENT UNLESS HE/SHE HAS A PROPER LOOK & FEEL OF YOUR FOOKIN DISEASE!
So Katara casually tries to examine Zuko's scar.
Zutarians: SEE THIS SHIT! THIS SHIT REAL LOVE BABY! KATARA WILL ONLY GROW STRONGER AS A FEMALE IF SHE DATES ZUKO & ALWAYS FIXES HIS *PERSONAL* SHIT UP COZ OF HIS INDECISIVENESS! KATARA DIDN:T EVEN TOUCH AANG'S WOUND AFTER AZULA HIT HIM [Yea Coz who gives a damn fuck about the fact that we only get to see the last scene of Aang's healing session Unlike we see Zuko's healing sessions 1st part only. Plus No shits also given to the fact how Katara Literally Flows over everybody to save Aang and Breathes a sigh of Relief like she gained her life back when Aang opened his eyes!]
@Herr_M was mate was😂😂
@Herr_M TF?!
@Herr_M well i did grow didn't i u doughnut?
honestly, i wouldnt hate zutara if it werent for its fanbase (i would be indifferent tho). zutara fans are kind of insufferable, they insist that their crack pairing is or was meant to be canon (both blatantly untrue) and they put so much pressure on newer members of the fandom to ship them even though the pairing has no romantic chemistry. they really need to get over their middle school crushes on zuko and appreciate the extravaganza of amazing storytelling and adorable canon ships that is avatar
I wanna get a speaker and put it outside of a zutara shippers house and play this full blast 😌 ( frr tho I love the way you made your points , this was all put together extremely well and even if some ppl don’t agree everything you said was true , this whole video was just facts and not slander and I love it , I don’t have anything against you if you ship zutara but you can’t deny that this is all true . I love how you made a point to say not to put other characters down to bring your idea of what should’ve been canon up *cough* *cough* (Aang) none to less I loved this video ❤️
Thank you so much for your feedback!
"I wanna get a speaker and put it outside of a Zutara shippers house and play this full blast 😌" 🤦♀️
I don't even ship but I honestly I'm starting to get why y'all hate each other if you're _this_ disrespectful towards each other's difference of opinion and _this_ prepared to shove it down each other's throats. You say you don't have anything against people who ship Zutara while saying the above - maybe check the kind of message you're giving off there, it might be more closely related to the cause of the ship war than the actual ships involved.
For the record, cards on the table because I know the shippers will be thinking it, I have a slight bias against Kataang because Aang's kisses without clear consent and Katara's subsequent upset make me _super_ uncomfortable, but that's about it.
Ever since getting back into this fandom a couple weeks ago I've been trying to hear both sides of the argument but honestly, screw it. This by far isn't the worst thing these shippers have said about each other but honestly maybe it's the veneer of being nice while being disrespectful that finally got to me with this. Warring Zutara and Kataang shippers who are _this_ invested in showing each other up are the poison of the fanbase. Glad I watched this video; sincerely disappointed I read the comments.
@@AlashiaTuol I wrote this 8 months ago and my views on it has changed a lot like I still think it’s a weird ship but I don’t really give a fuck if you do ship it. I’m definitely not gonna come for someone if they ship zutara I just don’t care enough.
I don’t wanna shove my opinion down anyone’s throat because since the 8 months I wrote this I’ve joined a lot of new fandoms and I now know how it feels to ship something that’s not canon.
Ofc I still have an opinion on the ship but I will most certainly display it more respectfully now.
@@AlashiaTuol just because someone says the want to do something doesn't mean they'll actually do it.
@Herr_M no, because killing someone is something that can totally actually happen and it’s a vicious act of violence. Blasting a video in front of “every zutara shipper’s” house is both infeasible and inconsequential.
i said I would comment and u better like it on tik tok soooo :)
these are the best 🤣🤣🤣
I agree
I just sometimes wonder as to Exactly how do Zutarian's minds work!
Like they really fookin say that Zuko ENCOURAGING THE SAME GIRL THAT BROKE DOWN ON HER KNEES COZ SHE MERELY LEARNT BLOODBENDING WOULD MAKE THAT GIRL EMOTIONALLY STRONGER & MATURE
Rather than Aang Facing Katara and making herself take the decision to whether Grow strong enough to Forgive ppl/Stay weak enough to take revenge!
Like FR?!
well said 💗
the only part of this video i disagree with is when you said they were like siblings. I just see them as best friends. part of the reason zutara annoys me so much is that zutara shippers are trying to make a great platonic friendship between a boy and a girl romantic. strong Platonic friendships between a boy and a girl in movies and tv shows are so rare. it’s amazing that Atla decided to make one
Ehem ehem...
(Cracks neck)
Time for Rebuttal and point out some sh*ta.
This ship is truly a meme. Over 10 years ago, they disrespected Bryke and the entire show of ATLA just because the ship didn’t become canon. There was a reason Mai broke up with him, Zuko is worse with girls than Aang is, to be honest.
braver than any US marine
Periodt 😌💅
Thank you 🔥
i spent so long sending each and everyone one of ur zutara and kataang videos on tiktok and now u post this
catraaaa
@@okkelly6207 amity
Never delete this video I love the evidence you being the facts you say!
I feel like all of these reasons are exactly *why* I ship them.
They had amazing relationship growth, they understand each other because of their similarities, they help each other grow because theyve overcome similar personal flaws, etc.
Obviously they dont like each other in the series... thats what we *wished* happened.
Amanda do my vids make me seem like a epic gamer?
lol Zuko's 16 whilst Katara is 14- he's 2 years older than her. Aang is 12 (and maybe 13 by the end of the series) while she's 14- SHE'S 2 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM LOLLLLLLLLLLL IT'S THE SAME AGE GAP (edit) now I think it's kinda creepy, so I don't ship Kataang. It's also one of the reasons why I don't ship Zutara.
different context though. I personally just can't get behind it because I've been the kid who ends up essentially babysitting a lot (essentially in any context where there are kids any age younger than me) and the crush-on-the-babysitter trope irks me to no end because the last thing I would have wanted as a 14 year old would have been to babysit my partner (there's a certain personality that's put on when working- like with how Katara would be really encouraging with Aang during training [vs. Toph's tough love approach]. Coddling is fine for teaching, but it can be an unhealthy instinct in a relationship). So between the two ships on that, I would side with zutara. I still agree with most the points in the video though.
bruh hes 112 not 12
@@relaxhedx7064 biologicalllt he's 12, and he looks and acts like a 12 year-old. It's only chronologically that he's 112.
@snow the gaang aren't regular kids. they're in a war and act differently from kids in real life. and 2 year age gap isn't that bad at all, some people have a 10 year age difference.
well zutara does have less of a maturity difference (i don’t ship zutara ofc)
Not to mention the Crystal Catacombs scene...Katara felt Zuko's scar was something that needed to be healed. But Mai always tenderly caresses Zuko's scar.
We Stan Zutara slander
I'm cackling rn
What does that mean
no no we all respect each other’s ships…
unless 😏
As long as you admit it's slander 😌
8:27 SMH. And some Zutarians claim that Kataang was forced.
Honestly with all the respect in my heart it's all is there love story is like a beauty and the beast the love story we forever wanted and most popular in media and other canon relationship is how to tell you is just normal
The dislikes are the zutara shippers for sure
I wish people would just have a more open mind to the concept instead of just bashing people for liking Zutara before even trying to understand why we like it. You're all so mean to us when we just see it differently to you. I rarely see a Zutara fan hating on or being cruel to people who ship Kataang.
I dare you to watch Sneezy Reviews video "Get in losers we're shipping Zutara" with an open mind and just try and understand that there are so many different aspects of their relationship and all the relationships and the story giving some validity to Zutara.
And don't be put off by the title. She is very fair and does not just bash people who like Kataang for the length of the video.
Actually I've seen a lot more Kataang bashing but both side bash eachother so neither side is innocent.
I don't hate the idea of Zutara I see the vision😂 I just dont think Zuko and Katara would work long term and it would be more like a summer relationship that doesn't lasts and fizzles out or they just are miserable together If they tried to make it work long term. Aang and katara make eachother happy and Zuko and Mai make eachother happy
cool
what about suki
Great video and the case against that ship is well done. However the filming of you on TikTok sort of distract from the pictures. Other than that good video.
I never understood why people ship Zutara, I absolutely hate the ship, from the beginning I knew that Kataang would happen, I don't understand how people can even think of Katara and Zuko like that, idk why but I hate you if you ship them
Same
I never thought of the surrogate sibling thing, it makes so much sense
You just took and
expressed in an unbelievably clever and clear way that I could not have been so good say but what I had in mind about this and the other video about kataang
i only watched the first bit of you giving "context" to certain scenes. i think you should research the term "sub-text", particularly "romantic sub-text" in any type of literature analysis. because imho these are not reasons to prove Zutara is ... real? or something. no, these are not inherently romantic, and i don't think that's the point.
the point is why do people ship it regardless of those not being necessarily romantic scenes (objectively speaking), but rather pivotal points in the development of their dynamic "enemies to maybe-allies to betrayal to one-sided hate to reluctant allies to friends". and why so many viewers find that so compelling, not just because "omg! they hugged!".
ps. i'm not commenting on the rest of the video because just based on your first chapter, it's an argument that's already been debunked. but i think you do come from a place of caring to give a nuanced opinion, so thanks for that! it's something that fandom discourse lacks and can be very appreciated in the midst of so much toxicity nowadays ^^
I personally have never heard most of the "pro Zutara" arguments in this video. This is why I ship them: th-cam.com/video/eRxtWMODfAc/w-d-xo.html Edit:LMAO I SHIP KATAANG NOW
Maybe because the video name is “A case against zutara”
@@Devinisapimp2019 Not what I meant. Some of these arguments are either rebuttals (which makes sense) or just confusing. Like the one about the attraction. I've been in the Zk fandom a while, I haven't seen people say that Zuko and Katara were attracted to each other in canon.
@@chemifan6784 no but the problem is they think they do when they take scenes out of CONTEXT
@@Devinisapimp2019 That wasn't the point I was refering to. The point you're talking about is the "Context" point.
@@chemifan6784 yes not in canon but some zutara fans take scenes out of context to make it seem that way not all of them but I personally have seen it on social media
3:17 but Zuko took responsibility for his actions. Aang ( when he kissed Katara after she just said she was confused) did not. Not saying to point out all of aangs flaws and ignore Zukos but I'm just saying.
Yes he did. He took responsibility during the Ember Island Players, when he kissed Katara in a fit of jealousy, only to immediately regret it and apologize. This video isn't meant to critique Aang. It's purpose is literally only to deconstruct and point out the flaws behind the Zutara ship, as it pertains to the show itself.
@@kylemorgan2301 i'm not trying to get into a arguement with you here, but, while-yes your right-Aang did feel bad about. After Katara ran back inside the theater, Aang's words were:
Aang: Ugh! I'm such and idiot!
But he never apologizes to Katara about. Can you argue that it's technically not owning up to his mistake because the person that he wronged was never given a "I'm sorry"
Yes, I know this video is about the flaws about Zutara, But it is a little odd that a she uses a argument against Zuko when the same thing could be said about Aang's actions.
@@kennedymcmaster419 Because AGAIN, it's not about Aang. This is a video about Zutara, NOT Kataang. If you made a video critiquing Kataang, THEN you would have something of a point. This isn't a Kataang video. It's sole purpose is to dissect Zutara and the common attitudes, defenses, and "proof" that some of it's more aggressive shippers use to support it. It made it clear at the start that this video is only going to focus on Zutara.
@@kylemorgan2301 Look, I'm not trying to start a shipping war with you here (As I already said) lol.
@@kennedymcmaster419 I never thought you were, I was pointing out that this video isn't about Aang at all. This is purely about Zuko, Katara, and the arguments people use to support the ship between them. Plus, Aang has apologized for a LOT of his own screw-ups as well, and blames himself both for the deaths of the Air Nomads and the Fire Nation gaining such a huge advantage in the war, and apologized for hiding the scroll meant for Bato, something he did purely due to his fear of being left alone, a very relatable and understandable fear for a boy who lost literally EVERYONE he loved and is functionally all alone in the world save for Katara and Sokka at that point in time; Zuko HAS apologized for the things he's done, but like the video said, that doesn't erase the fact that they happened, and that many of those things were truly reprehensible. He only apologized after having his ego beaten to hell and back, stomping a burning march up and down the world chasing Aang, and betraying his uncle.
The point of that section of the video was that people who like Zuko shouldn't handwave aside his actions for fics detailing events prior to S3 or act like he had character development that wasn't there prior to that season. Canonically speaking, prior to S3, Katara had no reason to like Zuko and nearly EVERY reason to hate him with every fiber of her being. That isn't a criticism of the ship, that's just acknowledging the facts of the show as they are. If someone really wants Zutara, they need to be willing to put in the work to justify it in fanfics, and accept that it doesn't have the canon "evidence" behind it that they like to claim it does. That's true of basically all ships in fanfics, you have to show the work that goes into any realistic and healthy relationship.
Okay, but even if we acknowledge that Zutara was clearly never the show's intended direction for their characters-fans are still entitled to think that would have preferred to have seen it if it were played in that direction rather than seeing what was actually played in that direction. (If that makes sense?)
Like what people think is or would have been the better ship doesn't always have to based specifically or only on what was actually there in canon-it's okay to consider, sometimes, what _could_ have been there too ...even if it was never actually there.
**HOWEVER**
Different people express attraction in different ways. Sometimes, even the same person can and will occasionally express their attraction differently with certain persons than with other persons.
Lots of people don't get blushy or self-conscious when they're in love.
People who can't relate to experiencing those kinds of feelings may just wish they could see more romances on-screen sometimes where characters also might not always experience those particular kinds of feelings even while they are in love either.
It's kinda like even unintentional homoerotic subtext being so wildly popular sometimes when there isn't enough overt homo-romance on screen.😅 Sometimes audiences long for what isn't there to be there, not only just for whatever is actually there.
And I think that's kind of okay.
But, apart from all of that, yeah-even though I personally would have preferred seeing Zutara over most of the canon ships, it was still never my personal fave ship either, and I never believed it was actually supported by canon / recognized many reasons why as the canon stood it would have been a relatively problematic ship.
I agree with you, sometimes shipping is just for fun and not based on canon moments (like Kya and Lin who never interact in TLOK), but the idea of those characters together seems interesting. And there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is when people start complaining that they were robbed, spreading conspiracy theories that all the writers were pro Zutara and it was going to be canon but evil Bryke chose Kataang because "self insert", that Kataang was rushed/forced, and demonizing Aang.
@@mloumarx Yeah- Exactly! 🙂
(Unless they're only complaining about being "robbed" but like, jokingly, just because they think it would have been so much fun to have seen it be explored in actual canon....not because they seriously believe they were somehow cheated out of it when they shouldn't have been, or whatever; although, within certain reason, of course there can be certain moments where feeling legitimately robbed of what might've or could've been is okay too. As long as it doesn't get too out of control, and comes from something other than mere wishful thinking, or such. Lol)
Okay not all of your points are correct or I don't agree with all of them but I understand what you are trying to say from all of this and I definitely agree with most of your points and cases.
I kinda agree with you but people don't really ignore zuko 's flaws.
Also I just want to defend zuko by saying yeah he made mistakes but he never killed people or hurted anyone actually iroh himself may have killed people and made more damage than zuko did ( I mean iroh made more damage before seeing the truth and the fire nation and you get the point)
I don't hate zurara but it has one problem and it is that even after zuko redeemed himself katara didn't trust him which is completely fine and understandable.
But then she basically threatened to kill him FOR AANG .
That alone speaks for itself.
Also kataang had 3 seasons to develop while zutara had only one season to develop.
Also it is so disrespectful to zuko 's character to think that when he saved katara in his fight against for azula it was because he liked katara.
He saved katara because he us a good kind person he realised his friend was going to get hurt and he saved her.
zutara is awsome :3
@@okkelly6207 I said zutara no kataang, jerk
@@okkelly6207 "toxic" --- respect the limits and consent
"misogynist" ----- a relationship of equals where the woman does not bear all the emotional responsibility of the relationship
LOL stop humiliating yourself
@ Stephanie Romero mhm right. and do u THINK zuko respected katara when he stole her necklace? invaded her tribe? attempted genocide? fought her almost to the death multiple times? tracked her all other the world? betrayed her? called her peasant? water tribe filth? do u think it was “respecting her limits” when zuko burned innocent villages to a crisp? i like zuko but he wasn’t some respectful perfect prince charming to katara, he was cruel and manipulative (see episode where her steals her prised possession-neckalce)
@ Stephanie Romero as for the misogyny that’s not so much on canon… that’s on most of u shippers. do u have any idea how much katara is sexualised and zuko is infantilised, how katara is mischaracterised and stripped of her depth and personality. how she is reduced to a meer “wifey” for zuko, or else some angsty edge lord. another incredibly misogynistic thing is when zuko is constantly expressing emotions and his hurt, neglect, trauma etc. but katara being the “gOoD gIrL” she is makes it her life ambition to “fix” zuko (which is a horrible old sexist trope) i also hate that the shippers focus on “fire lord katara” not even acknowledging her culture and tribe, but keeping zuko with his nation. idk i just find it gross how so many of the fans handle the ship. it’s racist how the brown girl is always mollycoddling and trying to “fix” this guy how gives her 0 respect in return. also the demonisation of aang and mai (the canon love interests) is so cruel. my evidence? you may ask? well, the fact that in your reply you said that kataang was more toxic and misogynistic than ZUTARA. when kataang is clearly a wholesome, developed, REALISTIC relationship. where katara is ACTUALLY happy. yall zutarians claim to care about katara but put her in a ship with someone who brings out the worst in her? puts her in her lowest? is that really what you want for katara and zuko? them to fight and hurt each other? or do u just want blue and red… fire and water? actually ask yourself…
You are really w
Hi
I’m sorry but after how Katara was treated throughout the series then through the comics and in LOK that made her a literal housewife who barely spoke her mind anymore Kataang completely ruined her I would’ve rather her be alone if that was going to happen 😕
When did LOK make her a literal housewife who barely spoke her mind anymore? Her literal first season had her speaking her mind and actively encouraging Korra to do what she felt was right rather than letting the White Lotus decide her destiny FOR HER.
@Yari What do you mean she never spoke her mind in the comics or in THE LEGEND OF KORRA?
When Zuko, Aang and the Earth King were in conflict over what to do with the Fire Nation colonies in THE PROMISE, she convinced both Aang and the Earth King to reconsider their positions. She's basically the reason why the colonies became the United Republic.
In NORTH AND SOUTH, she made it clear that she didn't like how the Northern Water Tribe was changing the Southern Water Tribe; she made it clear that she didn't trust Maliq and Malina.
In THE RIFT and IMBALANCE, Katara gave Aang advice and reassurance whenever he felt conflicted about a difficult situation. (Is there no place for the spirits in our world? Can we create a world that grows while protecting/preserving what's already here? Should I take away Liling's bending?)
In the Tarrlok/Amon/Yakone flashback from the first season of THE LEGEND OF KORRA, we learn that Katara was the one who outlawed bloodbending.
When Korra completed her firebending test and wanted to immediately jump into airbending, the White Lotus members and the firebending instructors asked *Katara* if she believed Korra was ready. When Katara said "yes," they told Korra she could start training with Tenzin.
Katara was powerful, outspoken and influential during the war *and* after the war. In Korra's time, people still respect her as a master waterbender and consider her to be one of the best (if not the best) in the entire world. Getting together with Aang didn't change that. Having children (and grandchildren) didn't change that.
Lmao what maybe just wanted to settle down and have kids with aang she still is a badass in the comics also in her older years she helped rebuild the southern water tribe and even had her own clinic not everything is about fighting
I agreel. But than again i am not a fan of the post OG series stuff to begin with.
You should really explain why sneezy reviews video on zutara because I think it's f***king ridiculous
Finally a fellow Kataang fan that hates sneezy bozo
@@Sikekataangforlife you do aswell?
@@spiderverse616 yes!
@@Sikekataangforlife good do you have any criticisms of her video you want to share?
@@spiderverse616 well it’s mostly her behaviour like my friend lili once showed me something someone said “I’m sending this to my Kataanger friend” and she responded with “oh no 😂” the poor girl/boy probably felt bad for shipping Kataang also the fact that she fucking brainwashes people into shipping Zutara and her ignorance to her fans! Like she only hearts comments that are bashing Kataang
I just want to say thank you for all the anti zuatara because let me tell you these people are very mean and I just appreciate this video and your other content
Yes 😢 I harm myself because zutara shippers are constantly raiding me because I ship Kataang 😢
Second
1.) Zuko and Katara are at War. He's doing all this because he's desperate to get home. Zuko is also doing it all for the fire nation, he wanted his father's love. They are enemies, it's normal for them to be in this situation. That's what Season 1 Zuko is all about. What matters is that Zuko changed and they eventually become friends in the end.
2.) No, Zuko did not encourage Katara. He only informed her to earn her trust. It was Katara's decision, she was the one who wanted closure. She was the one who decided to walk to dark part of her life and Zuko is the ONLY ONE who accompanied her. No one else tried to understand her, not even her brother or her canonical love interest. Zuko faced his abuser, Ozai because he wanted a closure too, soooo why can't Katara do the same?
3.) That bias has nothing to do with Zutara. Yes, Zuko did all those things. He did more problematic things than Aang that's why his redemption has such a great impact and is constantly praised. Zuko is way more popular than Aang and that's just a fact because Aang's character development is not that good to begin with. Also, it's because Zuko is not the protagonist who constantly is preaches about righteousness and peace and not hurting people.
4.) Yes that is indeed shallow. But the point of having a good grounded relationship is you fully accept the fact that your partner is imperfect. You work together and understand each other and communicate. Most importantly, YOU GIVE to one another. Silly things like blushing after seeing the person as a perfect angel, are not needed. Stuff like that is puppy love, teenage crush, and Shallow. Which is what Kataang has been showcasing throughout the show. 🤷♀️
5.) Yea, because they've been enemies for like most of the show, it would be awkward. He was on a date with that girl and Mai is his girlfriend so naturally he is inclined to do those things. As for Katara, she knows that Aang like her so off course she'd do those things, lol. Also, You're saying that Zuko also insults and snaps at girls he's attracted to? Cause he literally insults the way Jin ate and called Mai "a big blah."
6.) Lol, How do you know he just wanted a sister? How about friendship? Zuko still cared for Azula as seen in the comics and he wanted for her to get better. Also, why would Zuko see Katara as another Azula? He knows they're nothing alike, he only wanted her forgiveness not so that he can start over with another better version of Azula.
7.) Again, that's because they were ✨enemies✨ and at war with each other. One of the main points of Zuko's redemption arc is forgiveness, which is what Katara grants him. They became good friends then. Once again you're pointing out things that make Zutara development more incredible.
8.) Yep that's correct. That friendship is a good foundation enough for Zutara as lovers after their eventual friendship in the Fanfics. Many Zutara shippers don't even want that kiss cause that would be rushed and forced as Kataang's.
9.) Ok yea, but Katara was still the mother of the group. She's Aang's replacement for all the people he lost that's why she constantly coddles and protects him. Sokka pretty much admits that he was raised by Katara. Who was Katara supposed to lean on when dealing with her darkness? I could only think of one person mature enough in the Gaang 🤔. Zuko has learned and experienced hardships throughout his banishment. They are the most mature of the group. He only acts that way because he had inner turmoil.
10.) You keep mentioning the episode but did you actually watch it? The Southern raiders has Katara finally forgiving Zuko, and you said they became friends then finally, so doesn't that require ummmmm, trust? Also did you not watch the final Agni Kai? Katara recklessly runs to Zuko in a desperate attempt to heal him. She even cries at the end for him. So why? Why wouldn't she still trust him? 🤦♀️
Epilogue:
Sorry Zuzu, it looks like your redemption arc and the healthy relationships you acquired will not get through some people. It looks like everything you did throughout the show is written in permanent ink in the book of grudge. Anyways, I'm a new Avatar fan, but all these arguments against Zutara are old. Yea, you can convince me and other team Zutara people that it's not canon and that it was all ship baiting, but one thing that you can't convince us is that Zutara is wrong. I mean we're still arguing for it more than a decade later.
PS. You should watch Sneezy Reviews 2 hr. video, she does it better than me.
Your arguments are coming from what ifs and outside of what happened in the show. You’re only hoping these things happen eventually (zutara) you have to look at the SHOW. Stop talking about what if and things you’re projecting because of your own personal bias.
UwU hi
First again
I didn’t want Katara with anyone it was better for her to be alone or with a tribes man
Here me out, Zuko x Sokka
Get help.
Daite
I felt like a lot of your points came from the 1st season, which is meh for convincing me. Also, I noticed you didn't really support Kataang in the video. Honestly I'd be happier if Katara didn't end up with anybody. Just friends
same. i never liked kataang or zutara