This explain why sometimes I feel a lot quicker than other times. I never realized I I sometimes top out at 15psi. That 5psi does make a big difference
Great info man! I have been seeing the same posts over and over on the FB group. I’ll have to try this. The issue with where I live is finding a place that’s flat enough to keep that consistent speed for 15 minutes.
Great vid and very informative! I just filled up with 91 yesterday and drove it on the Highway but that was before seeing this vid so I’ll have to check and see if it works on my 22 Kona N.
Hadn't heard of this before, but it explains why a pull on the highway felt stronger as I was nearly home, as opposed to first getting on. Will be curious to find out if the learning sticks between drives.
Mine will reset randomly during a tank where it has already unlocked it. Pretty inconsistent for me. I can’t quite figure out the variables that makes it change. I know 5+mins at 69+mph does not do it. More like 10 mins for sure and even then it’s iffy. However, if I do 80 it unlocks right at 10 mins. Went back to 15 psi on my way home from that same drive.
Always I refill Sunday in the mornings, last refill with 93, that I get in my area, I put a bottle of octane booster, I driving in ECO mode for 10 minutes, or when I change to N mode, I touch 18 PSI, the car feel very stronger, and make pops very loudest.
I've always been advised to not put octane booster in turbo vehicles, what this does, I don't know but I'm just saying to confirm that it doesn't affect the longevity of certain parts.
@ENtense Awesome video! Thank you for doing this. I have been roasted in the FB groups for defending that this works and is worth it. It will work in N but have to put in manual mode to get to 8th because it will only auto shift to 6th. Also it will work in cruise. My best time is 6 minutes but it's few and far between. You're right, definitely best to go for 10 minutes or more.
Time to get them off your back now 😂 And thanks for the feedback about your experience with it, hopefully we can all help others achieve this and understand it works well, and it’s worth doing! 🤘🏻
Well, you'll get roasted again. Please head back to the groups where the two head tuners and a few engineers completely an utterly debunked this whole thing.
@@jasonyoung9248 No ones trolling. There's just misinformation that's clearly impacting the community (literally there's a post about some dude who is going to sell his car because he doesn't understand it). Just trying to flush this all out with data. Because it's such a big deal, I reached out to a local dyno and I've got a dyno day scheduled with a big test procedure to kill this thing once and for all.
Brooo I just got mine on Saturday 🤘🏼 6speed. And I’m sure the dealer put 87 on it lol I’ll be able to for sure tell that the power difference is there with 91 and this whole relearn process. I’ve seen it on the forum lol and I havnt checked out my peak boost psi yet but glad I found your channel. Also real pain in the ass to replace the front signals to leds I need those vice grips have big hands lol
Dealer most definitely put 87 in it. They don't have the luxury of keeping multiple kinds of fuel at the dealership just for that one full tank the car will have leaving the lot.
Great video bud, I didn’t even know that was a thing, but I can tell the difference since I change my gas from 87 to 93 like month and a half ago, she pulls harder now haha 😃 great info brother 😎
Sir I must ask you, do you have the occasional rough start like what the veloster n owners are describing? How is the transmission in stop and go traffic?
Personally think this is a major pain and mistake on Hyundais part. Why I can’t just tell it the oct I’ll use on a supposed performance vehicle is silly
Great video as always! Started watching the Channel since your very early days. I have a question tho. How do you set up the mph in the middle of the speedometer? I don’t can’t find an option for it in the settings lol
It literally resets every time I park the car and turn it off. Wasted gas and over 30 mins of my time getting out of the city and driving on the highway for nothing... Tried putting only 1 gallon of the same 91 gas for the wasted gas and it kept the boost until I parked the car and came back to drive it... I saw a post that says you have to fill it from "empty" but what does empty even mean? like 5 miles before the tanks dry or what?
**2nd Update** So I fueled a couple days ago and today I tried nailing the gas again, not as many days since I tried it the 1st time but today all I could manage was 16 psi🙄 I swear if a tune eliminates this I'll get it purely for that reason alone. It shouldn't take long for a modern car to figure out your running 93 octane🤔
Seems some people are just having more issues than others to get the car to learn properly, I wouldn’t doubt it’s not your fault and you’re likely doing it right. But it’s also possible that the weather conditions have an effect on it too.
@@ttoommssmmiitthh ....nah because the next day it spiked 19 like before. My buddy and I agree it's the weather. The morning cooler temps keep the boost lower, warmer temps more boost, even a 7-9 degree uptick. These modern cars are soooo sensitive to weather💯
Why didn't they just give it profiles to switch to. And after it's octane learned. It saves these settings.... they show you to choose suspension. Steering. Exhaust. Lsd. But you can't do that with the octane learning?
I'm going to have to check this out. Hey question, do you know if you can set the Gauge style to your custom drive mode setting? I want the Sport mode gauges with my Custom setting but always uses N gauge screen? Thanks take care
Hyundai will say every time the car gets refueled, but others have said if you top off when you’re at 4 gallons it will stay trained. Not for sure though without further testing.
@@kodyking3090 so you can avoid the psi resetting by filling up 3.9 gallons when you are at 0 miles left. Practical no, but if your like me I am a car guy and don't mind doing a little extra to keep extra hp and decrease weight and getting fresh gas. I also don't commute a lot and mostly use it as a toy. I don't mind having to fill up extra to get most out of the car.
I’m in Aus and i had a quick look through my Manual and it doesn’t have anything about Octane Learning in there which is weird. I’ve had the car since last March and have never really had it boost to 18 PSI
We have the Octane Learning in our cars...it just doesn't say so in the manual. I showed my dealer the photos of the Elantra manual showing octane learning and they said it's the first they've heard about it
It octane learns everytime you put gas in the car switch the car to eco mode or normal mode and drive it for 10 to 15 mins you have to stay at about 70 mph then once the little drive is done switch it to N mode and you should pull about 18 to 20 PSI
I have a 2022 Kona N and I was noticing sometimes my car “felt” fast and other times, although quick, felt it was lacking. Started digging into info and found out about the octane learning… something no one really mentions. Did the octane learning and bam, car felt like I remembered… so the thing about the “learning” is, based on your daily commute, the ecu may or may not ever learn during your drives… all my travel is city, so I never meet the “requirements” for the learn… I went a full tank of gas without it ever learning and only gave 14-15psi the whole tank. Did the learn, bam 19-20psi… crazy the system has such stringent guides to get peak boost and it can’t learn throughout a tank of gas.. either way, still love the car; just something I need to be mindful of when I wanna race and stuff.
I’m glad to keep hearing more people tell the truth of how there’s a difference. Be careful, there’s likely someone going to tell you that it’s all in our head and this is just a big fluke 😂
It’s madness that a performance car has to be manually set like this to give its maximum power. I wonder what in terms of BHP that 4psi deficit actually equates to in loss.
@@Buck3366 4-5 psi would equate to probably 30-50 Torque, 10-20hp give or take… the power is definitely noticeable… just a very stupid process if you ask me…
@@mustangGT375 agree with you guys, stuff is stacking up for reasons I don’t like the car to the point I might just trade it in for something else. Edit: I have a Kona N.
I’ve been running 91 in my EN DCT almost since I got it in April this year so I think mine already learned on its own because I don’t remember a time not getting 19-20 boost.
I have two questions my bad. So first one, is I only need to do it once after filling up not everytime I drive the car right? And for the octane learning, can I do it on N mode, 75mph, for 15 minutes and I can get 19-20 psi or? What you think? I tried normal mode 8 th gear manual and never worked at all for 7 mins and 42 second. Please let me know. Thank you!
I've kept having issues with octane learning, and I'm not sure if it's because I drive in custom N mode after refueling or not, or if it's because I have to drive in traffic. What happens is I'll use the same fuel, sometimes I'll get the 19 PSI, sometimes I don't. Super annoying when you know this car can almost hit 300hp
I have a 6 spd N that i just picked up on 4 days ago. I am getting my first oil change in 3 days, (yes I drove it a LOT). Has anyone seen the effectiveness of octane learning on a manual?
I've had some difficulties getting my MT to learn. I'm going to try 91 instead of 93 and disconnect the battery for 10 mins or so before trying to learn again.
So I have tried twice now. I set the cruise at 72 and 78 mph I put 93 octane in it and I still can not get past 15lbs and drove for 8 min both times. Should I exceed 10 min?
@@ENtense Those photos were never there. Hyndai updated the manual. I remember when the car first came out and I read through the entire manual those photos never showed up. I found a old post on the EN north america group that has those two squares with no images.
@@ENtense There was too much traffic on the highway home so I will do it later tonight to test. The only thing I havent done is doing it in normal mode. so im curious if it needs all fancy settings turned off.
@@ENtense hey I got it to work I’m at 18-19psi but your way didn’t work. I don’t know what I did but I wanna share my experience with you. Contact me through Facebook so I can tell you about it.
***UPDATE*** I run 93 all the time and filled up last Sat. Yesterday I drove 1/2 mile to the touch-free wash, ran it through there and drove home. My drive from that wash to home is about 5 miles, no highway and I hit 19 psi...maybe my car is "good learner"🤔
@@ENtense well it only went to 19 psi for a second as far as I could see. As far as feeling the difference, as you know the car just pulls and pulls, it's a beast! I can't wait to get the SXTH Element turbo inlet pipe and their CPTL intake. Opening up the inlet will flow more and give a bit more boost and hopefully hold higher boost longer🙏🤔
Hi curious to know but after you have performed the octane learn successfully what PSI will the car hit once the NGS overboost is activated ? Obviously the NGS timer hides the speedo boost gauge but the centre console screen should show it . Can we have a test run to see please or if you know already.
@@ENtense Yes it must had a boost cut limit at some point but the NGS over boost function almost seems redundant if that peak psi is already being reached without being activated so maybe it has a bit more to give. Be interesting to see and thanks for the reply .
@@ENtense I know it does say in the manual that cruse control is possible. I have to head out to a job in the next 10 mins and fill up with gas. Im gonna try with cruse control at 73mph like you, normal and see what happens. Ill message you back if it was a sucess.
Drove mine for about 800 miles in 3 days trying to do it, on my manual 6mt, I got it to do it once and that was after I cruised for 90mph for 10 miles. Not very reproduceable for a 6mt.
Don’t stay at a constant speed. Drop down to 65mph in 6th and give it 40-45% throttle for 5-10 seconds, climbing to 75mph. Let off for 5-10 seconds. Repeat for 5-8 minutes. Done. Works every time on my 6MT. The idea is that you’re constantly introducing load at lower RPM which forces the motor to advance timing to hit the torque target. This repeated timing advance is how the car learns. Staying at a constant speed may also cause timing advance, but based on elevation change etc it won’t happen nearly as fast. The owner’s manual should be revised, honestly.
It worked for me but when I turned car off and back, I was back to 15 psi lol. And never got back again to 18-19 at all. I put 91 chevron and so on.. any ideas why it got reset? I didn’t fill up and had hella miles left lol: thank you.
No idea. This octane learning is stupid. I can only get 16psi and it says I am only pushing peak 250 ft lbs. They should have made this car premium fuel only. Car feels like it only has 200 wheel horsepower
@@4drturbo85 you know what that's going to do? People blowing up engines and blaming hyundai for it. This was a smart move on hyundai to protect their reputation. Remember what happened when the genesis Coupes first came out. Lol
Curious about the actual accuracy of the gauges anyway but I will give this a run through in my 6-sp. Any other manual owners out there experiencing an increase in at least the displayed boost number after running through the "learning"???.........mine seems to indicate a peak 16, then 15 steady since new on 93.........
You have to follow the guidelines in the manual to get the vehicle to do it. Mostly just driving the vehicle, in the beginning of the video I displayed the page from the manual that explains it in more detail.
@@mharro88 yeah I just had my car at the dealership 2 weeks I broke driver's side axle ( launch control and lots of wheel hop) it takes 10 min to install and 10 min to uninstall I just took jb4 out everything else I have doesn't void warranty just jb4 but if it's not there they have no way to tell if it's been there
Can you try to add only 3-4 gallons to see if it resets? I'm going to buy this car but I'm held up on the octane learning... Hopefully if you add a little bit of gas here and there it will not reset. Any answer?
Any time the car detects you've added gas to the tank, it resets the octane learning because using low octane fuel (lower than 91/93) can cause knock and pinging in the motor which will destroy it over time, my work-around that makes me hardly ever think about octane learning is don't nickel and dime the gas tank, it holds like 10 gallons from empty so just go for a full refuel and take a small drive down the local highway to let it see if you put the right fuel in (octane learning), and set the cruise at between like 68 and 80 or something, gotta stay in 6th gear or higher in the dct model for the entire time, and let it go for I think about ten minutes and it should be octane learned.. only main complaint I've still got is it won't tell you when it is, or isn't octane learned so you've just gotta mash the pedal to find out
This is so frustrating, I’ve tried this SO many times. In fact this weekend I specifically paid to get on a stretch of toll road that no one uses since it’s like $6 to hop on just so I could 1000% confirm I could go 75 mph legally for over 10 min in 8th uninterrupted and no cigar. I’ll get peaks to 17 psi for a second but I always hold at 15 psi…it’s frustrating never getting the advertised torque numbers and knowing there’s more power on tap
@@ENtense always 93 since new, in fact I only run shell v power 93. I’ve tried manual N mode into 8th, cruise N mode (which will throw it in 8th) and normal mode w DCT set to manual mode in 8th.
So if I was going out to mess around with another car in say Mexico, I have to drive on the expressway at that speed and then when I get off the freeway leave the car running until he shows up?
Can you help me with what I might be doing wrong I keep it in Normal mode I set the cruise at 72 and i've done it over 8 minutes at least 6 times and no change the only thing i've noticed is the road is not flat and occasionally it'll drop to 71 and up to 73 based on the hill Up or down. I am so frustrated
Just did it my god I always wondered why sometimes this cars feels insanely fast and I guess this was why… it would octane learn without me knowing lmao this made me so damn happy thank you so much also it learned in 10 mins I timed it
@@ggSosa personally I’d take it to the dealer because of the front camera to make sure it’s recalibrated but if you take it elsewhere you can take it to the dealer after for calibration
Has anyone experienced “losing” the octane learning? I just bought an Elantra N (6MT). I was hitting the 18-19 psi on the original tank of gas. Then I filled up when it was nearly empty with 93 octane Shell. Drove to work the next morning (it’s a 45 mile commute of mostly interstate). The car octane learned successfully, as I was hitting the 18-19 psi/boost on the way home that day. Fast-forward a couple of days. I’m off work and take the car for a backroad drive, and now it’s limited to 15-16 psi. What’s going on?
It relearns every time you fill up. Some saying it won’t need to be relearned if you only fill up with 4 gallons from empty, but either ways it’s a pita
@TheOnlineGam4r wow that's very inconvenient. Especially, today's really bad traffic, it is really hard to do. During the 5 minutes, if I hit tap the brake, I have to start the process all over again.
The one time I got the octane to learn after I got under a half a tank it went away. Is that normal? If so if I keep tank above half at all times will it stay? And has anyone seen the difference in power on the dyno from leaned and not learned?
It hasn’t ever worked for me …Have a CG MT …wasted time and gas …travel 100 kms a day on hwy …met the requirements …tried the highest octane at different gas stations …and never seen it go past 15 :(
What we REALLY need to know if how and if it can "learn" the octane w/o going on the freeway because I don't have the chance to do this for 5 mins, close but seems really stupid to me. They can put a man on the moon but can't make a sensor to know the octane within a mile...come on🙄🙄🙄
There are ways according to the manual, but especially with having the DCT, it will be very difficult to maintain a specific gear for a longer period of time.
@@cameronkukuselis3691 no when you run out of gas fill up 4 gallons not 5 and it won't restart. I always do 3.9 galls just to be safe. What I am going to test today is can I continuously refill with 4 galls with no change
Can anyone help me with my scenario. With how my drive is to work it is impossible to do high speed and even low speed is impossible. I’m only on the freeway for like 3 miles and the rest is city. I tried a different route on the freeway but going 70 for 5 minutes just doesn’t due to other drivers and it being already 15 over the limit. Also going between 25-75 mph in 4th with 40-70% throttle doesn’t make sense. Someone please help. I’m pretty much never octane learned
If it “holds the boost” why didn’t you show a video of you making 2-4 gear pull? How come you never went to redline in a taller gear than first or second???? You would only allow it to pull in lower rpm’s…. No way it holds 18/19psi all the way to redline
Just because of time and trying to be respectful on the roads. But I’d be glad to show that. There’s been other videos on the forums and Facebook groups of people doing it as well.
So basically all you have to do is after you fill up get on the interstate set Cruz at 75 mph for 10 minutes and it will learn. Kind of retarded that we have to do stuff like this every fill up to get the max performance out of the car. Especially when I'm running 93 all the time. You would think that if you're running a lower octane fuel when you first go wide open throttle the car will retard the timing and know you're running lower octane due to knock. Should automatically pick up once you go wide open throttle to know what fuel is in the car. Would hate to fill up the car and come across someone on the road that you wanted to race in Mexico and your car lacks performance due to not have "octane learned"
Still haven't got it to octane learn. Only pushing 16psi. Max torque is only 250. Car doesn't seem to pull that hard at all.😢 We did a trip that was around 115 mi away and had the cruise set at 75 for like 20 minutes. 6mt EN. When are if I need a reset the PCM or something by disconnecting the battery. Right when I got the car and I broke it in and hit that 600 mi mark I went wide open throttle and it felt pretty good and I was hitting 18 lbs.. And I remember one day on my way to work It's like the car hit a brick wall when I was going in a boost. Ever since that happened months ago I haven't been able to run more than 16 lb and all I run is 93 octane.
What an annoying pain in the butt this is. Surely there are systems that can detect what type of fuel is in the tank without having to drive in the manner prescribed. My Renault Clio Mk IV RS200 needs 95 RON (I love in Australia), but I thought I'd test to see if it would run on E10 94 RON, as some 95 RON specified cars can do so. Within 15 minutes of normal driving with the 94 RON a warning light appeared asking me to get the car serviced. I just then fully filled the car with correct 95 RON, and the light eventually went out, but it proves sensors can be more finely tuned than those that appear to be in the N. What makes this even more annoying is that you have to do this every time you re-fill the tank when, again, the default should just be that you've filled with the same fuel unless you run the car through the learning process again.
Neat little trick. Fill her up 15 minutes out from the track. Alby Bierman really gave us a track ready econobox
This explain why sometimes I feel a lot quicker than other times. I never realized I I sometimes top out at 15psi. That 5psi does make a big difference
It really does!
@@ENtense I tried today and it didn’t seem to work. I’ll try again once I fill up again with shell gas.
I never got 20lbs. The one time it worked for me on 93 octane I got 17 lbs with a blip of 18 here and there the the 14lbs I normally have.
Great info man! I have been seeing the same posts over and over on the FB group. I’ll have to try this. The issue with where I live is finding a place that’s flat enough to keep that consistent speed for 15 minutes.
There are ways to do it at lower speeds but I’ve yet to try it that way.
@@NBABY-J I do, but it’s hilly with lots of traffic.
@@ENtense I think I know what you’re talking about. I’ll look in the manual again.
@@NBABY-J lol yeah I suppose so. Or I could just a JB4 and not worry about the stock PSI ha ha.
Great vid and very informative! I just filled up with 91 yesterday and drove it on the Highway but that was before seeing this vid so I’ll have to check and see if it works on my 22 Kona N.
Curious to know how the KN does with it, let me know!
Hadn't heard of this before, but it explains why a pull on the highway felt stronger as I was nearly home, as opposed to first getting on. Will be curious to find out if the learning sticks between drives.
it resets when you add more gas or disconnect the battery. so has to be done every fillup
Mine will reset randomly during a tank where it has already unlocked it. Pretty inconsistent for me. I can’t quite figure out the variables that makes it change. I know 5+mins at 69+mph does not do it. More like 10 mins for sure and even then it’s iffy. However, if I do 80 it unlocks right at 10 mins. Went back to 15 psi on my way home from that same drive.
People are wrong. It only will reset on battery disconnect or if you have your setting to reset on every fuel up. There are settings for it.
@@TheRealBobWillkins If there are settings for it, then where can I find it?
@@zx-3948 There aren't any. He's talking BS
This is good. Someone needed to make this video
Always I refill Sunday in the mornings, last refill with 93, that I get in my area, I put a bottle of octane booster, I driving in ECO mode for 10 minutes, or when I change to N mode, I touch 18 PSI, the car feel very stronger, and make pops very loudest.
I’m on board with you, it does make a difference.
I've always been advised to not put octane booster in turbo vehicles, what this does, I don't know but I'm just saying to confirm that it doesn't affect the longevity of certain parts.
@ENtense Awesome video! Thank you for doing this. I have been roasted in the FB groups for defending that this works and is worth it. It will work in N but have to put in manual mode to get to 8th because it will only auto shift to 6th. Also it will work in cruise. My best time is 6 minutes but it's few and far between. You're right, definitely best to go for 10 minutes or more.
Time to get them off your back now 😂
And thanks for the feedback about your experience with it, hopefully we can all help others achieve this and understand it works well, and it’s worth doing! 🤘🏻
Well, you'll get roasted again. Please head back to the groups where the two head tuners and a few engineers completely an utterly debunked this whole thing.
@@williamrori1274you gonna follow me all the way here to troll 😅. Man you guys are real mad 🤦♂️. Not doing this here.
@@jasonyoung9248 No ones trolling. There's just misinformation that's clearly impacting the community (literally there's a post about some dude who is going to sell his car because he doesn't understand it). Just trying to flush this all out with data. Because it's such a big deal, I reached out to a local dyno and I've got a dyno day scheduled with a big test procedure to kill this thing once and for all.
@@williamrori1274 It's been 10 months. Any updates?
Brooo I just got mine on Saturday 🤘🏼 6speed. And I’m sure the dealer put 87 on it lol I’ll be able to for sure tell that the power difference is there with 91 and this whole relearn process. I’ve seen it on the forum lol and I havnt checked out my peak boost psi yet but glad I found your channel. Also real pain in the ass to replace the front signals to leds I need those vice grips have big hands lol
Dealer most definitely put 87 in it. They don't have the luxury of keeping multiple kinds of fuel at the dealership just for that one full tank the car will have leaving the lot.
3 months in, how you liking the N? I just put a deposit down on one. Did you pay MSRP? In Cali by chance?
@@dumbeezy5480 how's your N?
Thanks mate, this helped a lot!
Great video bud, I didn’t even know that was a thing, but I can tell the difference since I change my gas from 87 to 93 like month and a half ago, she pulls harder now haha 😃 great info brother 😎
Hell yeah my dude 🤘🏻
So much more boost now Polish Bullitt?
@@klasseact6663 I don’t need new tune anymore 🤣
@@PolishBullitt sure you do😇
@@klasseact6663 I’m already making 350 to the wheel with that octane learning lol 😝
Nice! The N has achieved Super Saiyan Blue.
Thank you!
I wish they had some kind of indication of high or low octane.
I know what you mean, and I agree.
Yeah a little on-screen notification/light/something would be great to tell you you are good to go.
Sir I must ask you, do you have the occasional rough start like what the veloster n owners are describing? How is the transmission in stop and go traffic?
Personally think this is a major pain and mistake on Hyundais part. Why I can’t just tell it the oct I’ll use on a supposed performance vehicle is silly
Hopefully they make a change for 2024
I'm just interested in the car but don't own one yet. Excellent mapping on the SDR content in the HDR video!
Nice.
Great video as always! Started watching the Channel since your very early days. I have a question tho. How do you set up the mph in the middle of the speedometer? I don’t can’t find an option for it in the settings lol
I wonder if it would boost even higher if you put 100 or higher race octane 🤔🤔🤔
It literally resets every time I park the car and turn it off. Wasted gas and over 30 mins of my time getting out of the city and driving on the highway for nothing... Tried putting only 1 gallon of the same 91 gas for the wasted gas and it kept the boost until I parked the car and came back to drive it... I saw a post that says you have to fill it from "empty" but what does empty even mean? like 5 miles before the tanks dry or what?
That's annoying AF lol I only got it once on my Kona N. Gave up trying again.. waste of time and gas.
Can't wait to try this makes me Wana go drive now lol
Do it! 😂
**2nd Update**
So I fueled a couple days ago and today I tried nailing the gas again, not as many days since I tried it the 1st time but today all I could manage was 16 psi🙄 I swear if a tune eliminates this I'll get it purely for that reason alone. It shouldn't take long for a modern car to figure out your running 93 octane🤔
Seems some people are just having more issues than others to get the car to learn properly, I wouldn’t doubt it’s not your fault and you’re likely doing it right. But it’s also possible that the weather conditions have an effect on it too.
Try a different gas station?
@@ttoommssmmiitthh ....nah because the next day it spiked 19 like before. My buddy and I agree it's the weather. The morning cooler temps keep the boost lower, warmer temps more boost, even a 7-9 degree uptick. These modern cars are soooo sensitive to weather💯
Why didn't they just give it profiles to switch to. And after it's octane learned. It saves these settings.... they show you to choose suspension. Steering. Exhaust. Lsd. But you can't do that with the octane learning?
I'm going to have to check this out. Hey question, do you know if you can set the Gauge style to your custom drive mode setting? I want the Sport mode gauges with my Custom setting but always uses N gauge screen? Thanks take care
If you’re in N mode there’s no way to use the sport mode gauges unfortunately
Never put anything but 91 in my Kona so far. I’ve even seen 20 psi a few times lol…
Nice, do you know if the VN has something similar??
Honestly I would assume so, but I haven’t seen any hard evidence from the brief research I did on the VN.
@@ENtense I will try it and see if I can get any difference but the top speed here is around 55 to 60 so is hard to tell.
My Kona N doesn't always learn with the exact highway method. Sometimes it does sometimes it don't.
Also people should know that this method is for the system to octane learn faster. It will octane learn through normal driving but it takes longer.
True.
So would you have to do this on every fill up or every car start?
Hyundai will say every time the car gets refueled, but others have said if you top off when you’re at 4 gallons it will stay trained. Not for sure though without further testing.
3.9 gallons to be safe. I found that when I tested 5 gallons it went back to 15 psi. So when empty refill 4 gallons and it doesn't reset
@@boostlife6370 do you gotta roll around with 3.9 gallons or less so it doesn’t reset?
@@kodyking3090 so you can avoid the psi resetting by filling up 3.9 gallons when you are at 0 miles left. Practical no, but if your like me I am a car guy and don't mind doing a little extra to keep extra hp and decrease weight and getting fresh gas. I also don't commute a lot and mostly use it as a toy. I don't mind having to fill up extra to get most out of the car.
@@boostlife6370 hmm doesn’t the 5 min reset drive time not convince you to just fill it up and take 5 min of driving to reset?
I’m in Aus and i had a quick look through my Manual and it doesn’t have anything about Octane Learning in there which is weird. I’ve had the car since last March and have never really had it boost to 18 PSI
We have the Octane Learning in our cars...it just doesn't say so in the manual. I showed my dealer the photos of the Elantra manual showing octane learning and they said it's the first they've heard about it
I put 93 octane and my car turned into an SR-71 Blackbird!!
Does the car octane learn every time you are following the octane learn mode? Or does it learn when the fuel guage is at the full line or something?
It octane learns everytime you put gas in the car switch the car to eco mode or normal mode and drive it for 10 to 15 mins you have to stay at about 70 mph then once the little drive is done switch it to N mode and you should pull about 18 to 20 PSI
I have a 2022 Kona N and I was noticing sometimes my car “felt” fast and other times, although quick, felt it was lacking. Started digging into info and found out about the octane learning… something no one really mentions. Did the octane learning and bam, car felt like I remembered… so the thing about the “learning” is, based on your daily commute, the ecu may or may not ever learn during your drives… all my travel is city, so I never meet the “requirements” for the learn… I went a full tank of gas without it ever learning and only gave 14-15psi the whole tank. Did the learn, bam 19-20psi… crazy the system has such stringent guides to get peak boost and it can’t learn throughout a tank of gas.. either way, still love the car; just something I need to be mindful of when I wanna race and stuff.
I’m glad to keep hearing more people tell the truth of how there’s a difference. Be careful, there’s likely someone going to tell you that it’s all in our head and this is just a big fluke 😂
It’s madness that a performance car has to be manually set like this to give its maximum power. I wonder what in terms of BHP that 4psi deficit actually equates to in loss.
@@Buck3366 4-5 psi would equate to probably 30-50 Torque, 10-20hp give or take… the power is definitely noticeable… just a very stupid process if you ask me…
@@mustangGT375 agree with you guys, stuff is stacking up for reasons I don’t like the car to the point I might just trade it in for something else. Edit: I have a Kona N.
I’ve been running 91 in my EN DCT almost since I got it in April this year so I think mine already learned on its own because I don’t remember a time not getting 19-20 boost.
same, I only run 91.
So it never goes back to normal after you refuel? That's what I heard it does, and mine certainly did.
@@animaljoe1 yes every time you re-fuel it resets and re-learns
I have two questions my bad.
So first one, is I only need to do it once after filling up not everytime I drive the car right?
And for the octane learning, can I do it on N mode, 75mph, for 15 minutes and I can get 19-20 psi or? What you think? I tried normal mode 8 th gear manual and never worked at all for 7 mins and 42 second.
Please let me know. Thank you!
On the N page, how is your throttle a green bar and the brakes a red bar? Is it a setting? On my Kona N it’s all the same color
I've kept having issues with octane learning, and I'm not sure if it's because I drive in custom N mode after refueling or not, or if it's because I have to drive in traffic. What happens is I'll use the same fuel, sometimes I'll get the 19 PSI, sometimes I don't. Super annoying when you know this car can almost hit 300hp
Try doing it in normal or eco mode, from the research I did, that is what will help the most
I have a 6 spd N that i just picked up on 4 days ago. I am getting my first oil change in 3 days, (yes I drove it a LOT). Has anyone seen the effectiveness of octane learning on a manual?
I've had some difficulties getting my MT to learn. I'm going to try 91 instead of 93 and disconnect the battery for 10 mins or so before trying to learn again.
@@tyler7226 how’s it going now?
@@tyler7226 😴😴😴
So I have tried twice now. I set the cruise at 72 and 78 mph I put 93 octane in it and I still can not get past 15lbs and drove for 8 min both times. Should I exceed 10 min?
You need 15 minutes
Where did you find those graphs? I have never seen those graphs in the manual.
They were shared on a forum or the Facebook groups
@@ENtense Those photos were never there. Hyndai updated the manual. I remember when the car first came out and I read through the entire manual those photos never showed up. I found a old post on the EN north america group that has those two squares with no images.
@@demonreamer12 thanks for finding that and sharing the info on the groups 🙏🏻
@@ENtense There was too much traffic on the highway home so I will do it later tonight to test. The only thing I havent done is doing it in normal mode. so im curious if it needs all fancy settings turned off.
@@ENtense hey I got it to work I’m at 18-19psi but your way didn’t work. I don’t know what I did but I wanna share my experience with you. Contact me through Facebook so I can tell you about it.
***UPDATE***
I run 93 all the time and filled up last Sat. Yesterday I drove 1/2 mile to the touch-free wash, ran it through there and drove home. My drive from that wash to home is about 5 miles, no highway and I hit 19 psi...maybe my car is "good learner"🤔
It can definitely do the octane learning with normal driving too. What’s your honest opinion, could you feel a difference?
@@ENtense well it only went to 19 psi for a second as far as I could see. As far as feeling the difference, as you know the car just pulls and pulls, it's a beast!
I can't wait to get the SXTH Element turbo inlet pipe and their CPTL intake. Opening up the inlet will flow more and give a bit more boost and hopefully hold higher boost longer🙏🤔
mh... is this a feature only available on the Elantra? I'll have to try this on my 2022 i30N...
Can you fill the car up while it’s running so you don’t have to do this every tank?
No matter what I do I can not get the psi boost over 16psi. Do you have to do it each time you fill up?
You have to do it again each fill up unfortunately
Hi curious to know but after you have performed the octane learn successfully what PSI will the car hit once the NGS overboost is activated ? Obviously the NGS timer hides the speedo boost gauge but the centre console screen should show it . Can we have a test run to see please or if you know already.
Interesting thought, but my first thought is that it wouldn’t go past 19-20. But I may try to do some testing on this.
@@ENtense Yes it must had a boost cut limit at some point but the NGS over boost function almost seems redundant if that peak psi is already being reached without being activated so maybe it has a bit more to give. Be interesting to see and thanks for the reply .
So will the jb4 skip the learning process ?
seems like it to me
also in the 5-10 mins did you use cruse control?
I planned on it but right after I turned it on, I turned it right back off
@@ENtense I know it does say in the manual that cruse control is possible. I have to head out to a job in the next 10 mins and fill up with gas. Im gonna try with cruse control at 73mph like you, normal and see what happens. Ill message you back if it was a sucess.
@@demonreamer12 nice, let me know!
@@demonreamer12 p.s. keep it in normal or eco
Drove mine for about 800 miles in 3 days trying to do it, on my manual 6mt, I got it to do it once and that was after I cruised for 90mph for 10 miles. Not very reproduceable for a 6mt.
Don’t stay at a constant speed. Drop down to 65mph in 6th and give it 40-45% throttle for 5-10 seconds, climbing to 75mph. Let off for 5-10 seconds. Repeat for 5-8 minutes. Done. Works every time on my 6MT. The idea is that you’re constantly introducing load at lower RPM which forces the motor to advance timing to hit the torque target. This repeated timing advance is how the car learns. Staying at a constant speed may also cause timing advance, but based on elevation change etc it won’t happen nearly as fast. The owner’s manual should be revised, honestly.
@plasticksrt thats the track learning method mentioned in the manual and it does work , works way better doing it in the lower gears.
It worked for me but when I turned car off and back, I was back to 15 psi lol. And never got back again to 18-19 at all. I put 91 chevron and so on.. any ideas why it got reset? I didn’t fill up and had hella miles left lol: thank you.
No idea. This octane learning is stupid. I can only get 16psi and it says I am only pushing peak 250 ft lbs. They should have made this car premium fuel only. Car feels like it only has 200 wheel horsepower
@@4drturbo85 you know what that's going to do? People blowing up engines and blaming hyundai for it. This was a smart move on hyundai to protect their reputation. Remember what happened when the genesis Coupes first came out. Lol
Curious about the actual accuracy of the gauges anyway but I will give this a run through in my 6-sp. Any other manual owners out there experiencing an increase in at least the displayed boost number after running through the "learning"???.........mine seems to indicate a peak 16, then 15 steady since new on 93.........
my manual on 93, jsut started hitting 19psi out of no where, 16 was my limit, not sure if this, or air density
Does it need to be in normal mode to octane learn?
Strange that a stock car can do this “octane learning”! Do you know if the i30N pre Facelift can also do this
Not sure to be honest
Is this only for dct?
how do choose the option of octane learning
You have to follow the guidelines in the manual to get the vehicle to do it. Mostly just driving the vehicle, in the beginning of the video I displayed the page from the manual that explains it in more detail.
My question is this, if I get a tune will the tune always gives me maximum boost without this stupid learning curve?
Honestly a great question that I am not 100% sure the answer to.
This can’t be done with Veloster n right
I just got a 23 sonata N line and going to try this! I love the POPs your car makes I just dont think mine will but that ok
Ok I tryed this and it works on mine too!
Jb4 turbo inlet cai hks plugs bov and boostane.. I'm in a vn and peak at 24psi
And warranty is fine?
@@mharro88 yeah I just had my car at the dealership 2 weeks I broke driver's side axle ( launch control and lots of wheel hop) it takes 10 min to install and 10 min to uninstall I just took jb4 out everything else I have doesn't void warranty just jb4 but if it's not there they have no way to tell if it's been there
when i octane learn and after i turn the car off it’s like i never octane learned it does it everytime
I have a kona n but I have never seen over 16psi or over 270 torque. It mostly runs around 15psi and 250-260 torque is that normal?
Can you try to add only 3-4 gallons to see if it resets? I'm going to buy this car but I'm held up on the octane learning... Hopefully if you add a little bit of gas here and there it will not reset. Any answer?
Any time the car detects you've added gas to the tank, it resets the octane learning because using low octane fuel (lower than 91/93) can cause knock and pinging in the motor which will destroy it over time, my work-around that makes me hardly ever think about octane learning is don't nickel and dime the gas tank, it holds like 10 gallons from empty so just go for a full refuel and take a small drive down the local highway to let it see if you put the right fuel in (octane learning), and set the cruise at between like 68 and 80 or something, gotta stay in 6th gear or higher in the dct model for the entire time, and let it go for I think about ten minutes and it should be octane learned.. only main complaint I've still got is it won't tell you when it is, or isn't octane learned so you've just gotta mash the pedal to find out
@@ruller213 thank you man much appreciated this is what I thought
How do you bring your turbo gauge up on the N page
Once you’re in the N settings you press and hold to move things around. If you can’t find it hit me up later on discord I’ll show you
@@ENtense got it working, thanks!
@Cryogenic Atlas you’ll have to do the update first to get the green/red bars
This is so frustrating, I’ve tried this SO many times. In fact this weekend I specifically paid to get on a stretch of toll road that no one uses since it’s like $6 to hop on just so I could 1000% confirm I could go 75 mph legally for over 10 min in 8th uninterrupted and no cigar. I’ll get peaks to 17 psi for a second but I always hold at 15 psi…it’s frustrating never getting the advertised torque numbers and knowing there’s more power on tap
what gas do you run
91 or 93 being used? Maintaining above 68 mph? And what drive mode?
@@ENtense always 93 since new, in fact I only run shell v power 93.
I’ve tried manual N mode into 8th, cruise N mode (which will throw it in 8th) and normal mode w DCT set to manual mode in 8th.
@@falseegaming8656 always 93
@@dubber4life keep it in auto, try again on normal. If not I’ve heard others having better luck on eco mode.
So if I was going out to mess around with another car in say Mexico, I have to drive on the expressway at that speed and then when I get off the freeway leave the car running until he shows up?
It will only reset once you refuel.
@@ENtense I would like to think that there is technology is technology where the computer can tell that you're running 93 octane fuel
@@klasseact6663 agreed
Does this have to be immediately after refuel? Or can I go later in my tank when I have time? Stupid question ik.
Not a stupid question! You can do it anytime. I was at about a half tank when I did this.
Can someone explain what octane learning is in the most simple terms
Can you help me with what I might be doing wrong I keep it in Normal mode I set the cruise at 72 and i've done it over 8 minutes at least 6 times and no change the only thing i've noticed is the road is not flat and occasionally it'll drop to 71 and up to 73 based on the hill Up or down. I am so frustrated
Best bet is to complain to Hyundai about it. They need to get rid of it and make this car premium fuel only
@@4drturbo85 Facts!
Get to 65mph in top gear and give it 40-50% throttle for 5-10 seconds. Let off the gas for 5-10 seconds. Repeat for 5-8 minutes. Done.
Is this only for the EN or does this apply to the VN?
EN and KN is all I know for sure
gonna do this to my kona N :O
Just did it my god I always wondered why sometimes this cars feels insanely fast and I guess this was why… it would octane learn without me knowing lmao this made me so damn happy thank you so much also it learned in 10 mins I timed it
@@DriverJ-N glad it worked for you. Still makes me wonder why so many people are trying to debunk this when it clearly makes a difference
It's the Internet, where everyone is an expert and knows more than everyone else, even the car's manufacturer!😆
Cracked my windshield when i was rippin it at 90 on the highway😓
Noooo
@@ENtense any recommendations lol should i go to dealership or glass shop
@@ggSosa personally I’d take it to the dealer because of the front camera to make sure it’s recalibrated but if you take it elsewhere you can take it to the dealer after for calibration
@@ENtense thanks appreciate your input brotha
I wonder what would happen if you put octane boost in the tank
Won't do anything to the octane learning
If I fill up with 91 everyday does this car still need octane learning
Yes
I have to look this up, my kona drinks 98
Has anyone experienced “losing” the octane learning?
I just bought an Elantra N (6MT). I was hitting the 18-19 psi on the original tank of gas.
Then I filled up when it was nearly empty with 93 octane Shell.
Drove to work the next morning (it’s a 45 mile commute of mostly interstate). The car octane learned successfully, as I was hitting the 18-19 psi/boost on the way home that day.
Fast-forward a couple of days. I’m off work and take the car for a backroad drive, and now it’s limited to 15-16 psi.
What’s going on?
Ecu reset himself yeah normal can happen sometimes after u start the car the next day
Does this work for the manual ones as well or just auto
Both work
Whats is the recommended fuel on this car? 87,89,91 or 93
It can take any but if you want to prolong the life of the engine and have the full power use 91 or higher.
91+
U have a turbocharger
So it relearns every time and if you want max power you have to let it learn again on start up?
It relearns every time you fill up. Some saying it won’t need to be relearned if you only fill up with 4 gallons from empty, but either ways it’s a pita
Do I have to do octane learning every fill up?
Yes
@TheOnlineGam4r wow that's very inconvenient. Especially, today's really bad traffic, it is really hard to do. During the 5 minutes, if I hit tap the brake, I have to start the process all over again.
@@TheOnlineGam4r I am not going to put 87 octane, but if I do, I don't have to do the octane learning, right?
@@fromisheon4867yes everytime u fill her ECU need to relearn
I recommend u to put 91+ octane cuz turbo need higher gas octane
do u use 87 or 93 on u car ?
93 exclusively
@@ENtense if u use 87 ,does it make it have clunking noises on transmission?
I Attempted it today could not get above 16 psi maybe i was not at right speed for 15 min
Does this work for the MT?
Yes
The one time I got the octane to learn after I got under a half a tank it went away. Is that normal? If so if I keep tank above half at all times will it stay? And has anyone seen the difference in power on the dyno from leaned and not learned?
Yes, OL will disable around a half tank and you’ll have to re-learn. It will also unlearn overnight.
It hasn’t ever worked for me …Have a CG MT …wasted time and gas …travel 100 kms a day on hwy …met the requirements …tried the highest octane at different gas stations …and never seen it go past 15 :(
91 or 93 octane?
@@tyler7226 I’ve used petro 93 and Esso and Shell 91 ….it’s weird that i can’t get past 15 psi
Drive at 80mph for 10 mins.
I wonder if my 21 Veloster N is capable of this
I haven’t seen anything about the VN having this but I may be wrong.
Wait are people using 87 octane on this vehicle…?
Tons do, and they find it amusing for some reason.
@@ENtense I’ll never use 87 on my N hell no😂
@@petermad7476 what if u use 87?
@@zionrod3111 we’ll see the video then 🤷🏽♂️
What we REALLY need to know if how and if it can "learn" the octane w/o going on the freeway because I don't have the chance to do this for 5 mins, close but seems really stupid to me. They can put a man on the moon but can't make a sensor to know the octane within a mile...come on🙄🙄🙄
There are ways according to the manual, but especially with having the DCT, it will be very difficult to maintain a specific gear for a longer period of time.
My turbo doesn’t have psi. It says “bar”
Can you email me a picture? I’m curious and I’d like to help. entenseblue@gmail.com
Setup > General > Units
Then you’ll see it 👍🏻
“It doesn’t fall.” No brainer video proves how bad it falls
Never even tried to let it hold on video. Was just showing peak boost.
How do you still only have 2200 miles on ur car I got my 10 days ago and I’ve put 1200 miles on it lol
I’m super close to work and don’t often go anywhere lol. If it wasn’t for our recent trip to Cleveland then I’d still be around 1,700 😂
If anyone wants to keep the psi when refueling. Refuel with only 4 gallons from empty and you never need to octane learn the new gas.
You’re probably the one on Facebook I saw mention this haha. How consistent is this working for you?
4 gals from empty? So we talking about making sure your not under about 100 miles to empty?
@@ENtense everytime!
@@cameronkukuselis3691 no when you run out of gas fill up 4 gallons not 5 and it won't restart. I always do 3.9 galls just to be safe. What I am going to test today is can I continuously refill with 4 galls with no change
Can anyone help me with my scenario. With how my drive is to work it is impossible to do high speed and even low speed is impossible. I’m only on the freeway for like 3 miles and the rest is city. I tried a different route on the freeway but going 70 for 5 minutes just doesn’t due to other drivers and it being already 15 over the limit. Also going between 25-75 mph in 4th with 40-70% throttle doesn’t make sense. Someone please help. I’m pretty much never octane learned
Get to 65mph in 6th and give it 40-50% throttle for about 5 seconds. Let off the gas for 5 seconds. Repeat this over and over for 5 minutes. Done.
I see 20 all the time with 93
Came here to do this to a VN 😂
Okay go on the highway thanks 😂 everyone makes it so complicated
Seems super silly. Marketing scheme. Why can't the car just run on 91 octane normally like any other car in its class.
Does this require me to do this every time I start the car? Because I rarely get a chance to do 10 minutes on the highway lol
It will only reset once you refuel.
If it “holds the boost” why didn’t you show a video of you making 2-4 gear pull? How come you never went to redline in a taller gear than first or second???? You would only allow it to pull in lower rpm’s…. No way it holds 18/19psi all the way to redline
Just because of time and trying to be respectful on the roads. But I’d be glad to show that. There’s been other videos on the forums and Facebook groups of people doing it as well.
Probably because he doesn't want to kill anyone Kyle?
So basically all you have to do is after you fill up get on the interstate set Cruz at 75 mph for 10 minutes and it will learn. Kind of retarded that we have to do stuff like this every fill up to get the max performance out of the car. Especially when I'm running 93 all the time. You would think that if you're running a lower octane fuel when you first go wide open throttle the car will retard the timing and know you're running lower octane due to knock. Should automatically pick up once you go wide open throttle to know what fuel is in the car. Would hate to fill up the car and come across someone on the road that you wanted to race in Mexico and your car lacks performance due to not have "octane learned"
Still haven't got it to octane learn. Only pushing 16psi. Max torque is only 250. Car doesn't seem to pull that hard at all.😢 We did a trip that was around 115 mi away and had the cruise set at 75 for like 20 minutes. 6mt EN. When are if I need a reset the PCM or something by disconnecting the battery. Right when I got the car and I broke it in and hit that 600 mi mark I went wide open throttle and it felt pretty good and I was hitting 18 lbs.. And I remember one day on my way to work It's like the car hit a brick wall when I was going in a boost. Ever since that happened months ago I haven't been able to run more than 16 lb and all I run is 93 octane.
What an annoying pain in the butt this is. Surely there are systems that can detect what type of fuel is in the tank without having to drive in the manner prescribed. My Renault Clio Mk IV RS200 needs 95 RON (I love in Australia), but I thought I'd test to see if it would run on E10 94 RON, as some 95 RON specified cars can do so. Within 15 minutes of normal driving with the 94 RON a warning light appeared asking me to get the car serviced. I just then fully filled the car with correct 95 RON, and the light eventually went out, but it proves sensors can be more finely tuned than those that appear to be in the N. What makes this even more annoying is that you have to do this every time you re-fill the tank when, again, the default should just be that you've filled with the same fuel unless you run the car through the learning process again.
Bet e85 wake that car up