The Dark World of Unrealistic Male Body Standards
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 พ.ค. 2024
- If you search Google for the ideal male physique, something interesting shows up...
So how did body dysmorphia become so widespread and deadly?
But more importantly, why are more people not talking about this?
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Introduction - 00:00
The Ideal Male Physique - 02:04
Striving for Perfection - 04:32
Warped Ideals - 07:38
Sketchy Marketing - 09:58
Why we fall for bullsh*t - 13:36
The Adonis Complex - 16:34
The Consequences - 17:42
The Future - 21:53
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Thankful for your presence on 'the scene.' Your content is truly refreshing and brings shadowed issues to light. Kudos, and keep going!
As you toalk about the halo effect I'm just sitting here thinking "This Josh guy is pretty."
OOO my GOD something that im sayng for more than a decade. Women beuty standarts take a bath and dont eat like a hipo. Men beuty standarts 5 years of perfect diet, perfect gym and perfect use of steroids with luck to get the genetics. And they do all this to atrract a mediocre used Wh ore.
Please I've gone to a sporting event with a slim Jim body out running super super soldier bodies when I was in my division pace
Lifting 300 lb more than body weight, I would jump out of bed to do 1000 super squats with ten pounds weights, and farmers marching with 90 lb bench bar before I went headed towards a job, or did yard work with elderly all day
beauty isnt so subjective, thsi is just demoralizing subversion
If you're a natural lifter suffering from body dysmorphia, just walk down a beach in America. You'll instantly remember that social media isn't reality and you're probably doing better than 90% of people your age. (Does not apply to muscle beach, only go there if you need to be humbled)
disregarding that most people on the beach don't care how their body looks and therefore you've entered a rat race with yourself.
@@rainchopper898facts
The problem is comparing yourself to other people to begin with. Only compare yourself to yourself
@@yoeyyoey8937 That's how I came to do sports during adolescence. I did nearly nothing during my teens other than playing games lol.
@@VVabsa Nice good job 👍 you’re doing the work
I always thought that the ideal male natural physique was not that warped, until some friends and people at the gym told me they genuinely thought that The Rock is natty. My mind was blown.
I remeber telling a female friend the rock wasnt natty and she said smth along the lines of "but he works really hard"
Same as those in regard to Mike OHearn 🤣
I mean....we saw those girls refer to Chris heckin Bumstead as a "dad-bod" .....pretty confident in saying the physique standards are more warped than Salvador Dali's pocketwatch.
It doesn’t matter what people think, only reality. Irl people respond well when you look big and strong and they are kinda nonplussed when you are too lean or look like a ifbb pro
@@columodonnell9202he probanly does، just enanced
I was originally pursuing a degree in Media and Communications - the day I learned it all comes down to exploiting insecurities is the day I quit.
Sounds like u was studying advertising
Everything is based on exploitation of something or someone.. we cant escape that.. its our sad reality
@@nomanejane5766 I have a degree in Journalism (with comunications, because in my university you couldn't do one without another, and its easy to know why) and he's right. Lots of things on Communication and media, and not just advertising, are about highjacking your mind, explore pre-conceptions of the world and society you don't even know are in your mind, built in by years of societal reinforcement that has nothing to do (today a lot is, but wasn't always this way) with media, and using to make the message get to you. Some faculties and disciplines are more or less agressive. But communication is all about studying how information spreads through various forms of medium from the paper to the internet, the Advertising to the real world conversations and how different paths lead to different interpretations. Mostly of the biggest advances in communications and Media (not only the technological ones) were made at wars of after wars. Because successfully influencing ppl is a big asset. No matter what faculty of communication you study, it all comes to explore how ppl's mind work in your favor. I honestly agree with the guy, i just couldn't quit for personal reasons.
@@nomanejane5766 Advertising was sadly the only subject viewed by the curriculum as a viable career - and advertising is in everything - so yeah, I guess the degree was rather misleading.
@@fredsifyableI'm sorry to hear that.
I am happy you are talking about this. I am a mother of 1 girl and 2 boys, and body shaming goes both ways. I want my children to grow up healthy (mentally and physically). Not focus on how they look but who they are.
maybe i wont look like gigachad without steroids but i wont know until I try .
You buy clothes to look good? You workout to look good along with a myriad of other benefits like stronger mentality, reduced stress and depression, etc
We can’t all look like Grizzly. These standards need to end
I will never be FULL :(
I don't care for muscular guys. Many women don't want that. I just want you to be kind, respectful, and care for yourself. Because men have focused on the wrong things, I'm still single at 28.
Edit: I said many. Not most. There are other factors as to why I'm single, yes. But a big portion of it is that men are focusing on the things I'm not looking for. Its just a fact. Sorry if facts offend your feelings but thats just reality. It might also be that I'm not looking to be a breeding factory for men as I do not want kids. But who knows. All I saw were the same issues I see in men. Lack of accountability and accusing me of exactly what has been happening. There is nothing wrong with me as to my preferences. I'm not being picky at all. My preferences are just that, preferences. I don't see how butthurt the majority of yall got over this. Its just a rando comment on YT. Lol
We are forever MOGGED by thine Bloat Lord. We never had a chance…
For real..... his forearms are larger than most people's quads
@@carnivoroussarah you're making excuses
On the height surgery thing. I work for a company that packages those rods. We had a doctor come in for a tour of our facility. And I asked him what his thoughts on it were? He said this verbatim. "I've only ever used these on car crash victims, and people with limb deformities. Outside of that I think any doctor who goes along with using them outside of that scope should lose their license" think about it like this most people want to avoid being in the circumstances that require those rods at all costs.
They have elevator shoes online that will add five inches to your height. A lot easier.😮
It's my only hope as a 4'11 male
@MangyPL to be what? A 5'4 male? Dude, if you want to do it, I can't stop you. But you'll still be in the same boat with metal rods in your legs. Also, there's a high chance you'll never walk again. And for what? to impress people who could care less if you get hit by a bus tomorrow?
@shiloh1994 that would at least make me the average female height , instead of 5 inches below it. 4'11 is 4'0 in females eyes.
@MangyPL so you're willing to possibly cripple yourself so that women will pay attention to you? Bro, this surgery has a high complication rate, and you'll be even shorter if you're in a wheelchair for the rest of your life.
Not only is the video educating, the editing is also on point
The root of disappointment is comparison to others
As an older guy who’s lifted naturally for 25 years, I’m glad to see people start talking about this. I was a very skinny guy growing up and was self-conscious about it. I started lifting at 18 but was never even tempted to use steroids or other dangerous substances. In fact, the culture overall very much discouraged it. It was desirable to be muscular, but nobody was shooting for pro bodybuilder physiques except for pro bodybuilders. It worries me to see so many young guys doing this to themselves, and striving for such unrealistic goals. Young guys, especially, can achieve VERY nice results naturally. Looking around online it’s horrifying how many high school kids are on gear.
I know, when you're online it seems everyone is doing gear now, even for the women, especially in America for women
Steroids aren't dangerous. I have taken gear as they say. I just finished six weeks of Osta and I feel as good as I ever have. Combined with lifting I have eliminated my anti-depressants and I feel better than before.
@@user-cz9jj2em2v that's because you actually go off cycle unlike some of these idiotic teenagers doing steroids
@@user-cz9jj2em2v how do you look at yourself in the mirror after writing such a misleading comment?
@@user-cz9jj2em2v You can't make a blanket statement like that about something that very clearly can be dangerous. I know you're obviously aware it can be done in a less-damaging way, but that doesn't mean you can just say, "steroids aren't dangerous." It's like if I said, "alcohol isn't dangerous" on a video about alcohol abuse, just because I know I'm able to drink moderately.
Boys
Please limit or cut out social media use entirely
Its damaging to your mind and self image
Social media is absolutely cancer
It's not if your mentally stable for teens I'll agree but for both genders, the funniest is the things you see aren't even attractive for the other gender do you look at a girl after 20 beauty operations and aay wow thats hot no you think jesus is this woman ugly same goes for guys on steroids most woman find it unattractive being lean and fitt is attractive brad pit fight club, most gymnasts or climbers not being a fucking orc
@@haveabossdaydelete you tube stop coping😊
1000% couldnt agree more the less i use it the better i feel
Absolutely!! People need to realize this. I’m in much better state of mind after deleting instagram and dating apps. Not to mention, I am spending more time with my family. The joy that it gives is real.
A child having Rippling muscles is the most disturbing thing I've seen this year. OH MY GOD.
Truth 💯
Facts
Thank you, Josh, for bringing up Edward Bernays in this!
A college professor of mine published a biography of him right before I took his class. After that, I see Edward Bernays's influence everywhere. More people should, frankly.
"Self improvment is supposed to enhanace yourself as a person. Not replace yourself."
As someone who ended up in multiple psych wards due to starvation induced psychosis and becoming overly obsessed with feeling the need to look a certain way JUST to deserve love or attention.. This quote really hit me hard.
Jesus that hit hard.
It really did hit me hard too 😞
you did not go through allat, lyin ass nga
I never got that far in my eating disorder (had a few staya for Depression), but yeah, my whole self worth osbofy image related.
That's why self improvement is masturbation
The issue for male bodybuilding standards is almost entirely due to the fake Natty's. You see lots of fitness influencers that are shredded benching 315 like it's nothing and people can't help but feel inadequate in comparison
Well bodybuilding is all drugs anyways. Just focus on getting and being stronger
good point! the fake nattys make something that is close to impossible seem like something you would be lazy loser not to achieve.
not really, even if steroids didnt even exist there would be genetic freaks who would be on top of the fitness industry spreading unrealistic standards.
It's bodybuilding it's to get as big as possible nobody ever said that's attractive (besides a lot of gay guys) or that healthy if you want to be attractive for females be lean and have a sixpack that's all you have to do at a certain size you are getting more and more unattractive for females same as females get more and more unattractive the more beauty ops they done.
Edit: okay Hollywood says that shit but that's just a bunch of lunatics and they also said Lizzo is attractive,
Its simple natural you WILL NEVER BE LEAN AND BIG. You have to pick one be good looking with cloths or without it. If the guy its big and lean hes on it.
When you get to the science of for exame size of arm natural can get majority of peak natural will be 38cm. And theres legends of the pre steroids era body building with 43. But majority will never hit 39cm.
This was well put together and touches on a subject that is becoming more and more important to talk about. Well done!
Great video. I am going to share this with my friends too! Exercising and eating good food are part of living a good life but going overboard is always the worst.
I see so many people saying "MEN HAVE IT WORSE" or "WOMEN HAVE IT WORSE", it's such a pointless fight, it doesn't matter who has it worse, no one should be suffering, no one should feel like they can't speak up and say what's bothering them. Let's encourage each other and not downplay someone's issues, we all have something that's bothering us, some just show it less.
You didn’t watch the video
@@professinalweeabootrash5254
What do you mean?
@@professinalweeabootrash5254their point stands. guys still hurt a lot of women with jokes and teasing of how they look. were just absolutely blind to it and im
saying this as a GUY. im no feminist nor masculinist but i fall more under humanist. but theres no metric to measur
@@jazzwazzo9659 He addresses this argument in the video.
@@jazzwazzo9659 pov you didn't even read the comment lmao. He's talking about you kind of people only
"Comparison is the thief of joy." Go exercise and enjoy your own individual progress because every body is unique.
yap. reach a body that you are content with, and you can keep up without ruining your life.
I'm unique in a way of how fucking useless I am at everything ☺
@@mikonson4091you're not bro I believe in you!
Just do kinobody. Its 3 hours per week . The guy is the einstein of fitness
@@sunderark you don't know me
Well done! Are you considering making this into a full length documentary? You absolutely should!
These types of videos needs to be taught in school and saved for generations to see. Thanks for the amazing content ❤
There’s this clip of the guy in twilight saying he “rebelled against the gym”that’s the only weird thing in the vid cuz Fitness is amazing. And it was not inlined with idea of the vid
When people train for performance instead of cartoonish aesthetic standards, good things happen.
No they don't. People on gear get better results and the noble natties stay small forever while wasting money on programs that don't work to get results that don't matter. The answer is to legalize steroids so that we can have a safer and more regulated market.
The attitude of banning all the things failed with booze and failed with weed. At this point there is no rational argument to keep these drugs illegal.
Facts🤌
You can greatly damage your body chasing performance as well. Let people chase the goals they want
Chasing performance can also lead to the same problems if people are trying to be The Best at any cost. I mean, just look at drug use in athletes.
Just train and exercise for health, and create reasonable performance goals to give some extra motivation, and be happy with whatever aesthetic changes happen with your body in the mean time.
@@aurendess Sure, let people get into the rabbit hole of the dangers pointed out in the video. If they want it, they should do it, freedom and all that
As I’ve (f, 18) begun to become more entrenched in gym culture, I’ve developed a decent amount of “gym bro” friends. The body dysmorphia is insane. I have a guy friend who boxes and legit looks like rocky from the rocky movies and he’s STILL unhappy with himself, and it’s so sad to see. I really really hope he doesn’t go down a dangerous path.
Try sleeping with him and see if that helps him
I was at the gym yesterday and saw some guy who looked like Adonis. Wonderful proportions, long, muscular limbs, shredded abs, and the guy talked with his friend about how small and weak he feels
If he looks like Rocky, he's already well on a dangerous path instead of just near one. Remember, "Rocky" was a boxer, but Stallone was a bodybuilder with a physique completely unrelated and partly counterproductive to boxing. Your friend is already sabotaging the sport to chase a physique, without even touching the fact that one doesn't get to look anything like Stallone without doing the things he (and others like him) did.
@@skillzilla111bruh tf
@@juannaym8488 Imagine if he was 5’2? I am, and I’m still standing. How can he feel horrible when people like me exist?
Thank you for this video. I used to hit gym and while I was gaining muscle, I was having a lot of joint pain. My trainer, god bless him, told me that training for aesthetics is pointless and after sometime you question why you do what you do while suffering in constant pain. I feel good about my decision of eat good food, and doing running, pushups, yoga, hiking and cycling instead of pursuing to have that 6 pack abs. The reason behind having the "Physic" was women. But overtime I understood there are other factors beyond physic to get the attention from a women. Many came and went. I am grateful for that. No regrets and currently single, living my life out without any stress. I am happy. :)
Great video. The best I’ve ever seen ton the subject. Congrats and keep it up.
The Luke Skywalker doll actually makes me mad on a story level, not because it is setting bad standards. Luke in the beggining of a new hope is a scrawny teenager. He’s not an action hero, and even when he becomes one, he doesn’t have to be extremely physically strong, since much of his power comes from force augmentation. He also hasn’t trained for nearly long enough to be able to have that physique, even by the end of The Empire Strikes Back.
Exactly his greatest strength was never his physical strength, but rather his mental strength and knowledge with the force lol. Glad I wasn’t the only one.
Agreed, it’s really dumb
It's a piece of plastic
Yoda one of the most powerful Jedi masters is hardly a muscle bound midget, muscularity and height had nothing to do with being a jedi.
@@lesslycarthan956 We’re all just having a friendly discussion on something that interested us in the short?
“I realized the hard way that looking good means nothing if you don’t feel good” this quote definitely describes my on and off workout routines I’ve had for a couple years
I was always pretty thin but still somewhat fit but a few years ago I felt pressured by society and other guys to bulk up to be "healthier" and attract girls. So I tried to gain weight and more upper body muscles which was fine but ever since then I got a lot more exhausted when running or biking or just in general and I couldn't figure out why until I realized that it was likely just the extra mass/muscle that was taking more oxygen/energy out of me! And that was just a relatively small change - I can't imagine how much worse I'd feel if I had kept that up and pushed myself to look like a lot of other gym bros/muscle heads!
@@Bristecom I agree! When I started my fitness journey at 21 years old it was because I wanted to join the coast guard and I had to be able to run a 1.5 mile in 12:51. After finally being able to reach that time goal it’s become second nature for me to put cardio above all else and do everything as clean as I can
Exactly. I do it because im full of energy and feel good on the days outside of gym. Not to look great
@@Bristecom Sounds like you didn't compensate for the extra work with more protein
Define "feel good"
Love this video, we need more of this discourse in the industry - fitness & health isn’t the same as physique and looks, thank you for putting this message out there!
Thank you for this video. It felt good to sit down and get my head back to what is really important :)
I want to thank my 8th grade science teacher for absolutely destroying my idea of the ideal male body. We were learning about muscles, and she showed us pictures of bodybuilders and Olympic athletes. She explained that bodybuilders have bigger muscles because of steroids, but skinny athletes are often stronger because they train to improve the performance of their muscles, not their size. It blew my mind that bigger muscles didn't always mean more strength, and helped me not buckle under the pressure of influencers and mass media.
Bigger muscles looks aesthetically better. These dudes do it for the look. If you want strength you can be fat ass in gym that ego lifts. Think worlds strongest men competition it’s all obese dudes
Thats interesting..
good for ya :3
Steroids go both ways. Strength and muscle mass
The olympic athletes are on steroids lmfao. Your teacher had a good message but you literally do not become the best person on the planet at something naturally
The Rock is particularly problematic. Not only in terms of body goals, but ageing body goals. No doubt he has great genetics, but his body must be a chemistry lab at this point, and no-one will call him out on it until his health declines (which will likely happen suddenly and dramatically) as a result of it.
If you want aging goals, look to the late Jack LaLanne.
Unfortunately his wealth may protect him from the worst of the consequences, leaving anyone not swimming in money with the mistaken belief that what he has done is healthy.
The Rock looks 62 and he's only 52.
Yeah the Rocks situation is ridiculous. When he was in his 20s and early 30s he was big but not lean yet when he gets into his late 40s and 50s he is not only bigger than he’s ever been but much leaner! So yeah it’s obvious what he’s doing and I definitely get urges to jump on TRT(but higher than baseline doses) when I see guys like him
@@mateaukalua4426rock looks amazing as a 52 year old. Cmon man
Excellent video! I first read about “The Adonis Complex”, years ago and have always been interested in the conversation and concerned about this new obsession. Great, well-organized and clearly-explained content
Your quality in your videos are simply amazing. Aleays precise with explained terms to help the avarage viwer undurstand. Amazing job man.
Height shaming in America is considered hilarious at best, and normal at worst. The average 5'9 male is routinely derided as short, unmanly, and so hopelessly inferior that men - particularly celebrities and comic - will preemotively denigrate themselves as a defense mechanism. It's so endemic that achieving a near-unattainable physique is as likely to net you scorn as "trying to compensate" if you aren't puahing 6 feet or taller.
Ehh, my husband is like 5'9" and no one would call him short. Not that I would care if he was.
I've dated short men and know tons of lovely, married, short men. No one else cares, really.
I am 5´9 in one of the worlds tallest countries (Norway). I am just below average statistically here. I have only been called short by a dude who was 6 foot 2. And now that I am older and wiser I have realized that I have had a huge amount of female attention, and still do. But because I thought my height was a problem, I never bothered to escalate.
And MAN did I miss some chances, it will torture me for the rest of my life.
@@jessa5388 I'm 5'8 and have routinely been called short my entire life. I know guys who are 5'10 that also get called short. Not that it bothers me but it is definitely a thing
@@Will-qx9vm not sure about all countries, but I would guess statistically it's just slightly below the average in the most countries, 70-80% of women are shorter than that, so they should be perfectly fine with your height, there's definitely a cult of height in the US, if you look at the memes, you need to be an actual giant to be considered "tall enough".
@@melodi996 Right, but the craziest part is this: most of those women can't really guess peoples height accurately in real life if they are shorter than said man. Especially if the height difference is significant, so I have read stories about people getting interest from their date in real life, just not on tinder. It is just so silly.
And btw most of the women who was keen on my have been slightly taller than me, or same height or just a tad shorter. I don't know what is up with that, it seems women care less when they themself are a tall woman (5'9 is ofc tall for a womam, even here) but the really short ones want to be with Shaq O'neill types.
Josh, as an exercise scientist I can earnestly say that this is one of the most important messages that modern society needs to address. Kudos to you for daring to speak out. This is essential viewing for every young man.
It really isn’t.
yappatron@@GoldenMushroom64
Wait there's a scientist for exercise, wth
@@emeraldeyesinthesand8355 --there is a scientist for everything.
@@GoldenMushroom64 Yeah most people are fat. Worse this will do is make them by protein powder for a week and then forget about it.
Very well made video and it comes at a perfect time to prevent me from taking testosterone. I've had a lot of doubts about my progress. Working out consistently, but it's been just a plateau for a full year now. At 37 and with a small kid (poor sleep), work 8-12h a day, there is no way to add muscle quickly. I'm well aware of that, but still...I tend to want more. This vid has grounded me well, my priority wasn't always to look good but have a CAPABLE body and I'm already getting that from my workouts.
Props to you, you are so young and so capable at video making. 👍
Love the message Josh, nicely done 👏👏
I grew up with a mother who criticized my lack of masculine bulk when I was in my early teens even as guys at the feed store expressed amazement by how strong I was for my age. I carried multiple bags of horse feed with surprising ease. My exercise of choice was riding BMX bikes in the woods around our house, a cardio sport that doesn't bulk muscles. Now in my mid-50s, I still have the endurance athlete's leaner musculature. My main exercises have always been cardio, but I've added strength training for bone health. I told my children -- daughters and sons -- to develop healthy relationships with food and exercise and aimed to teach them what that is step-by-step. I made sure they knew every sport and physical activity from archery to Zumba will develop the body differently, and every body will look different.
Seems like you raised them right and for that I have the highest respect for you 🫡
Always the oldheads giving an unrelated and irrelevant anecdote to very subtlety and discreetly toot their own horn. What does the fact that “guys were impressed with how many feed bags you could carry” have anything to do with how you raised your children?
@@oskarklingest5682 they were admired and it made him feel proud, it changed the way he was thinking about health and fitness.
Mean mother
Sounds like your mother was jealous and bitter..... Same phenomenon as mothers hating their daughters out of jealousy.
Bro your videos are incredible. There’s nobody else’s in the industry who makes videos as high equality as u do.
He's the Lemmino of the fitness industry, posts in large intervals but always comes through with top notch documentary quality
Editing is top tier.
But isnt it ironic that most of his thumbnails include this unrealistic male body standard. Kinda trying to profit off what he is bashing on in this video imo
@@nathanparish7122 no not really. All of them include people who are relevant to the topic on the video and the rest are his own transformations.
Quite the contrary, you just havent found em yet. But more quality is better than quantity i guess.
One of the best fitness education videos I have watched in a long while…👍🏼
This is so good . Thx for the content my friend.
This what TH-cam was really made for . Expressed highly quality of thinking and no ads amazing.
"It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable" - Socrates
I workout for myself and for the physical and mental health benefits it provides. Will I ever be satisfied with how I look? Probably not, but I’ve made peace with that and am just enjoying the process.
Why not be satisfied? Things don’t need to be perfect to be satisfactory.
@@beatleswithaz6246why be satisfied when your dissatisfaction can fuel progress
@@sexmusichandleprogress always brings sacrifice. And sometimes there are things that it is not wort sacrifing, like you should never sacrifice your health. If anything i agree there should be things we can do to improve, but never take things too far.
@@alejandroromer1262 we must take things too far
Based
This is a super important video. Thanks for making it!
By the way, PED physique is not even an aesthetic look, in my opinion. Stay natural!
Wow an amazing video! Better than almost all Netflix docs. Congratulations!
I appreciated this video. You mention GIJoe vs. Barbie. And I often thought it was strange as a comic book fan in the 80s that all the focus was on unrealistic female standards when we had male standards like Clark Kent and Peter Parker in comics. There are zero versions of Clark Kent or Peter Parker that aren't absolutely ripped and gorgeous, yet young boys were told these were "nerds" because they wore glasses and didn't run around in tights flashing their completely unrealistic musculature.
Barbie isn’t even some bimbo either. She’s just a normal woman for like 30+ years ago.
@@kadenkohl782 Neither Superman or Spider-Man were that jacked in the beginning. Superman still had an attainable, drug-free looking physique well into the 1970s based on bodybuilders like Steve Reeves. Ditko and Romita Spidey especially wasn't big by any stretch of the imagination. In fact he isn't now, really. Or wasn't last time I looked.
@@charliegreyfriars3691 he was always big for a spider
@@charliegreyfriars3691did you not see the newest Superman movies? Guy looks huge
And how are we suffering because of this? I'm not a ripped masculine chad. So what? Do I need to attack hierarchies and ideals because of that? This is not about you.
My step-nephew joined the Marines out of high school because he wanted to look a certain way (muscular) and do cool stuff like a Call of Duty video game. He got really into lifting, and was upset he wasn't gaining enough muscle since he was required to do so much running and physical activity in the Marines. He was bulking, eating a lot of junk food on post and not doing enough running/cardio. He got in trouble for being overweight, and assumed he could do a body fat analysis and pass since he had so much muscle, but didn't. He was put on a special weight loss program that required extra PT (more running) and he complained about it killing his gains and losing muscle. He opted to leave the Marines with non-honorable discharge because he didn't want to run or lose his "gains" or train to pass the PT test. My dad was trying to talk to him about how his job prospects would be if he left the Marines in that way - essentially quitting - and he didn't care. He wanted to look a certain way and believed that if he stayed in the Marines, he wouldn't look that way and it wasn't fun like a video game, and thus he wanted out.
Welp he's kind of a moron though it's not that unexpected out of highschool. Hope the kid's doing better these days.
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I'm so sorry, I hope he grows out of this obsession. What is he trying to prove to himself? He ruined a lot of job potentials for himself. If you're good enough to get in the Marines....you should try to make the best of it. Sometimes we have no sense when we're young.
@@PenguinCrayon269smartest one too
The decision could have saved him from an early death or serious life-altering injury.
Great video honestly 👍🏽, sometimes I get in my own head but just understanding that I’m me and to be proud of being healthy and in shape within my own right is enough for me
Extremely well made video. Massive respect Josh. Followed.
As a woman who has dealt with bulimia, anorexia, and everything else, it breaks my heart to see these impossible standards imposed onto young men and boys.
A couple of decades ago women had to starve themselves (and possibly use Adderall and/or cocaine) to achieve the "perfect" body. Now men have to crash diet, take steroids and dehydrate themselves to achieve the same. And they have to behave in ways that will ultimately destroy them, physically and emotionally.
(BTW, I'm 5'9", my husband is 5'5", and we've been together for 28 years. We've been married for 22 years and have 2 kids. Anyone who mocks someone else for their height is an AH.)
People always try to take a shortcut when you can get a healthy, sustainable body naturally.
@@animekingdom4918 you have clearly never worked out or just tried body building before. It is nearly impossible for the average man to get the “perfect” physique. Even with great genetics to get to that “perfect” level you have to start using drugs and other enhancers. It’s not about being lazy it’s about how it’s impossible to do without it.
@maninagasmask Have you picked up a weight before ? It's definitely possible to achieve an impressive physique naturally within a few years.
@maninagasmask Now a perfect physique, no? But an impressive one, yes. This goes for women aswell they can achieve an impressive physique naturally.
Lies again? After Dark X
Glad to see GVS getting some more recognition. One of the realest dudes in the industry and an inspiration to natties all around.
GVS is unrealistic body standard tho
GVS the goat!
@@kapoioBCSinspiring* body standards
How so? Hes usually 12%-20% bf year round. Yes hes jacked af but you can be too if you train seriously for a decade.@@kapoioBCS
@kapoioBCS Unrealistic for the impatient maybe. Dudes physique is the result of 8 years of consistency.
You honestly look great dude, keep up the hard work in the gym and the excellent vids!
Great video man, thank you!
I have been training since i was 16. It's been 10 years now. I have never once even entertained the idea of PEDs.
I occasionally get comments saying "you don't look like you've trained that long". This typically comes from women or men who aren't into fitness. From their PoV if you don't look like The Rock or like an instagram roidhead influencer then you either:
1- haven't trained much
2- don't work hard enough
I am very happy with my body and what i have achieved. I also believe that i still have room to grow and improve - but i am probably somewhat close to my genetic maximum as a natty. People have such a warped perception of what is achievable naturally that it sometimes really hurts.
It is not laziness. It is staying natural.
the lamest yet best compliment i get is from people who haven't seen me in a long time. Dude you look like you did in high school. late 40s now bout 14%bf. I may not be jacked like the kids in the gym but if they live to my age they'll be lucky. keep it natty
I feel like this is so strange, i have been training for the last 8 years, natty. I am 6 foot 1 (185 cm for the europeans) weigh around 95 kg and like 15-18 % Body fat so i have abs but no veins and since i dont skip and go 4-5 Times per week plus cardio i feel like this is my maximum, still most women dont know how much pain and work i put into it and of course they notice to them its no big deal since women allways look like they have a nice body unless they are anorexic or overweight...
Mate, don't take it as an insult. Because only recently did I realise that without a pump, not even the shredded people just walk around looking like that. I've also seen countless before and afters of a guy visibly gaining 20 lbs of muscle in 3 months. Again, only recently did I find out that a lot of those people are using steriods and such. So to a person like me who is not a man, and also knows fuck all about working out, your results seem "pathetic" when you compare them to other men who have bulging after only 4 weeks of going to the gym. They're speaking from a place of ignorance, don't take it to heart.
Channing Tatum - "I don't know how people working 9-5 manage to stay in shape, when I struggle and it's my full time job". Well said Mr Tatum. This is something Im often in conflict with and not something I think people consider enough when taking advice from FULL TIME fitness influencers. Amazing video. Boy do you have the voice for it 😂👍🏻
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Channing Tatum is wrong. You only need to workout like 4.5-6 hours a week to get amazing results. Stop kneecapping yourself by telling yourself that your goals and their processes are impossible. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Don’t fall for it
That's because staying in shape should be effortless. It's a lifestyle and mindset change completely not rushing to get results for the sake of capitalist gain
@@gamooor1386Pushing yourself will always require effort
@@Timmy-mi2ef because we seek instant results so we go to drastic measures. Little changes and habits build up over time. Like I quit soda when I was teen pretty sure it butterfly effected my entire life now that I’m mid 20s
A very close friend of mine ended up in the hospital for about six weeks due to anorexia. Even now, she has to be so careful that she's eating enough and it's scary. People need to realize what's healthy is a middle point, not any of the super muscular "alpha males" and not obesity, but somewhere in between.
this is such a well thought out video. i love u
Something needs to change, when I started bodybuilding I thought that by training hard and eating five meals a day it would make me look like a men's physique competitor, but what I learned through the process was that those goals were just unrealistic, just be the best version of yourself and enjoy the journey. Great video by the way!
Just do kinobody. Its 3 hours per week . The guy is the einstein of fitness
Women smoking was WORSE since our bodies tend to be more acidic than men
@@kathleenking47are you fucking comparing body dysmorphia what the hell?
Hey man, the world is dark and cold. There’s a lot of liars and cheaters in this fitness community. But videos like this are what is needed in this age. We can’t wait for someone else to start speaking up about this. Thank you for making this and please never stop.
I am a 27 year old who has suffered with body dysmorphia my whole life. I lived with bullemia for years and Went down the path of sarms. I wish i had better influences going up and i hate myself for putting my body through that. I had a bad crash to my system after the sarms and i have been trying to recover for almost 2 years now. If anyone reading this is thinking about making a dumb decision like that, please dont. You all are special humans, you’re loved, you’re needed on this planet.
This is so great,.. thank you so much for this video!
‘Insecurity sells’ nailed it!
I almost didn’t watch this video because I was scared it would “convince” me to work less hard on myself. Shows how easily these disordered ways of thinking can sneak in. Thanks for such an important and nuanced video.
bro converted to the bitch side💀🕊
This was a good video indeed. However, one with such a title could easily have been about blackpilling people and telling them to not even try, so your initial concerns were perfectly reasonable.
@@tuukkai1841blackpill isn't necessarily bad, people just think that because you can't change your height or face you're doomed and should stop trying in life. I agree most of them are stupid but the concept of looks over everything that blackpill spreads is a reality in todays modern society.
@@Gian_sas Sure, I agree with your examples. I was referring to muscle building and fat loss
@@Gian_sas its more so if you dont have the looks/height then you need to give up on dating, not necessarily life. but yeah, blackpill is law
Thank you, Josh. It makes me sad that we all deal with this, both men and women. The standards are set so high because of social media. We end up hurting ourselves in the long run. I truly hope things do get better.
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Pick me ahh comment 😹😹😭😭😭😭😭 bro really think he someone with that
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It isn't just social media encouraging these trends but dating apps and their algorithms. If you're an average 5 foot 10 young man, you're considered unattractive to the average woman on these apps and you won't be getting much likes, let alone. What better to increase your chances than to pick up a weight? Women standards have sky-rocketed and men are just trying to meet the new yardstick if they aren't blessed with a photogenic face or height.
@@streetfundz3179you are weird asf
You have an amazing channel! Excellent message and information! Thanks
Great vid bro, much thanx ❤
as a woman i have always wondered how men viewed their own bodies in comparison to ones seen on social media and Hollywood, and now realizing they feel the same way women feel seeing these unrealistic standards, its honestly heartbreaking bc I can relate. This topic needs to be talked about more.
Pfffff "exact same thing"?
So you think not being fat (which is the "unrealistic" standard for women) is the exact same thing as this???
I am sorry remind me when was the time when women needed to work out 5-7 days a week use steroids and dehydrate themself to not be considered too fat or too skinny?
A skinny, or about average looking woman was and still is considered sexy (nowdays its a bit more emphasis on huge asses but its still not a must) while a skinny man is made fun of.
You are delusional if you think those are even compareable.
(and BTW no1 gives a f about your symphaty)
@@SingmetheSeaNot a huge fan of that assumption the video made either, but your comment is something I'm even less of a fan of.
Why look down on men for things other men have done? You do realize that that line of logic is what many misogynists use to justify misogyny, right?
That "well, I don't feel bad for Them since They have done bad things" idea is what I've heard misogynists use towards women, as well as the "They don't suffer like We do" type mindset.
Playing the Suffering Olympics like that only serves to make yourself an asshole towards others' struggles, as evidenced by your very comment.
I've had a lot of experiences where women downplay my suffering, but I don't use that a justification to not care about the bullshit they go through. Because I know nowhere near all women are like that. Folks don't deserve flak for shit they have not done.
Lastly, please don't complain about wild assumptions when you do the exact same thing. Men are judged just for their personality, and women are judged just for their body? Are you serious? Please don't tell me that you don't see the hypocrisy, here.
@@SingmetheSeawe literally kill ourselves with steroids and height length surgery’s, so I would definitely argue that it is much harder for the average men
@@SingmetheSeaPenis envy
@@snkybrki Sorry mate, you failed to change my mind :) Go cry about it
A good example for this is if you watch the show “It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia” from 2005-2023 you can literally see how body standards change, fx the character Dennis at the start of the show had an average physique and girls were attracted to his physique but later on the show like season 7-8 and upwards his physique got less and less attraction because the standards for the male physique got higher and higher, they even make jokes about it and how modern day standards are so ridiculous.
The joke has always been that Dennis thinks he looks better than he actually does. The journey of Mac's physique is a better one to reference in the context of this video.
Absolutely amazing video it changed my view of my life and the world completely
Many young men are fumbling around in the dark because they're so confused about what they're supposed to be. What a man is supposed to be. Some, in their searching, are ensnared by dangerous ideals. Ideals pushed onto them as answers to that question. "Hypermasculinity", this obsession with bodily aesthetics, is one of them.
Be careful out there, friends. Don't hurt yourselves. Whether in body, mind or spirit.
I know it's sometimes hard to realize who you are, and to be comfortable with it, to own who you are. It's hard to conquer yourself. I know that. But I know you can do it, without harming yourself. I truly believe that we all can.
At age 74, I work out, HARD, only once a week, for only 30 minutes. It doesn't give me a physique that's the envy of young men or attracts young women, but it puts me WAY ahead of my contemporary couch-potatoes.
May you live past 100, gramps - you're doing well!
W gramps
Keep it going Gramps💪
Why would you want to attrack young women tho 🤨
@@pepelarrza3877 I’d rather attract young women than be the envy of young men.
Great video, very insightful and informative.
I'm 38 (almost 39) years old and at 36 i weighed almost 220lbs (96kg) and lost 60+ lbs (33kg) in six months but did a lot of research first.
My diet was mostly beans, vegetables and fish, my first 40lbs were lost simply walking a lot. It started with a few minutes a day and eventually became an early morning, lunchtime or after work ritual. I aimed at first for 10km a day and over time 20km. It sometimes took me 5 or 6 hours to get there which meant working around a full time work schedule and often repetitive paths that eventually had me start running and lifting weights. I didnt expect to look like arnold or even Goggins but an in-shape/lean physique... Eventually I got there but it was a lot of hard work.
I'm currently about 71kg, definitely more muscle than fat in my core but I have to watch my diet almost religiously and don't have a lot of rest or cheat days, but overall I'm much happier and healthier.
I've no intention of entering any strongman, bodybuilding or powerlifting contests, but I can jog a marathon (42+km) at 10km/hr and finish it in under 4 hours which is pretty good. Just takes patience and hard work. Forget celebrities and instagram. The proper research is out there and don't for a minute believe anyone's "secret, magic, or instant" trick. They dont exist. Not legitimately anyways
Thanks for speaking up about this important issue.
I definitely have body dysmorphia, but I recognize that I do and understand that I look way better than I see myself. So while I will always continue to push myself in the gym, I don't actually hate myself.
Nice keep it up. Just keep progressing and you’re on the right track
Me too, it fuels my addiction to the gymm i dont even hate it.
Me too! I know I look good and don't need more muscles. Just staying fit is more than enough. Yet I often catch myseself thinking, I could add muscle here and there. But I don't hate the gym and still enjoy it.
Me too man. I swear the day since I was way more dedicated to my fitness than ever so many people have complimented my physique along the way. Even strangers that I met in random places I swear. But I still look at the mirror and feel very inadequate at times. I think one of the main factor is the standards that most social media have emphasized upon us.
Its normal... i was skinny now im built like a greek statue and i still think most of the time im still the skyny dude. Takes time to kinda adapt to the new reality.
23:20 "Self improvement is supposed to enhance yourself as a person, not replace yourself."
Thank you, wonderful and worthwhile video.
nice vid man! Keep it up!
One thing missing is the Dating App effect. Women only swipe right on 4-10% of men and you need to have top notch pictures to even get a first conversation going with women. This directly drives men to unrealistic beauty standards and substance abuse because men will try to get a partner no matter what.
@@ThatGuy-bh9qhIn many countries, USA being the big one, the killing off of downtowns, and third places means a lot of people literally can't date realistically outside of dating apps.
Here is an idea: if you get rich women will come to you like hungry flies, no matter what you look like
It’s just all about the looks then stupid cause you know they’re going to be lacking in other areas
I've noticed that with women when they found out I'm pretty well off. Biggest turn off ever tho, not counting the major trust issue it sparks. Better act poor and see who sticks.@@hydrohasspoken6227
@@hydrohasspoken6227cope
Going to watch this video with my 3 teenage sons to start a conversation about realistic physique goals. Thanks for your hard work on this, Josh. Your content is so valuable.
Just do kinobody. Its 3 hours per week . The guy is the einstein of fitness
i have 3 kinda 4 goals. get rid of severe excess body fat, severe imo. get rid of gynecomastia from adhd meds as a child, or atleast thats what i blame lol, and to be capable of making it out there. need t o he able to pull up several times, do dips, run for an hour straight without slowing down or stopping at the very least. realistic goals imo. things that are pretty much necessary living out in the wildernesss.
Yes please do, starting the conversation with your boys is the best thing you can do. Even if they seem negative or indifferent to the message, they pick up on what you try to convey to them!
@@twilightsparkle75 those are good and healthy goals
I hope it goes well. The most important thing is that they understand that the bodybuilders on stage and the models on IG look like that for only a couple of days, after going to extremes to get there. Once the competition or photo shoot is over, they lose a lot of that extreme look. Make sure they're not comparing themselves to those people.
Secondly, make sure they understand how catastrophic it can be if they take steroids at a young age. It can permanently shut down their endocrine system, and their testosterone production for the rest of their lives. Supplements, protein powder, all that is fine, but anything that messes with hormones is dangerous for anyone under 25 at a MINIMUM.
Looking good for 6 months is not worth being unable to produce testosterone and regulate their hormones for the rest of their lives.
Thank you for making this video
Great video buddy.!!
Christ man, what a powerful video. I was so close to falling down this rabbit hole a few years ago. I cannot imagine the mental pressure your average young adult has to deal with these days.
I wish I could take every guy suffering with body image issues to the gym, and to teach them how fun and rewarding it can be, without the need to look like a fitness model.
Fantastic work as always! You’re a legend, dude!
Holy crap, Gehab! It’s good to see you’re still around.
I recently just started going to the gym because I don’t wanna be so skinny, but honestly I’m really enjoying it just for the feeling you get afterwards. It is really tough tho because you see all the super jacked people on social media and it’s hard not to compare yourself to them.
Promoting ''suffering'' is infinitely better then being fat skinny or half the person you want to be
@@keen8087In my opinion, you should ignore all these perfect fitness influencers you see on social media and simply have fun with your routine and on your journey to develop a better-looking physique. You don't need to do everything perfectly. As long as you stay consistent and focused, you will see your body slowly transform and, after a couple of years, you will be amazed with how far you've come and incredibly proud of yourself. You will never have a physique like Chris Hemsworth's or Chris Evans's, but you don't need to, and you shouldn't try to anyway. You'll look pretty damn amazing regardless.
Fitness models don’t look good irl. But everyone looks good when you are strong
@@makhundred I am skinny and I feel good. Great? No, I could take more care of my skin and my hair, and get some muscles, but I will never fall down this stupid rabbit hole. I will never overdo myself or take any drug, ever. your problem and that of many men and women is one of insecurity, and ironically enough it will never end by going down said rabbit hole. as the video said, you will desire more and more without end in sight
I’m also seeing body dismorphia being treated like a joke. Like, “haha, we all have it, it’s fine”. Which is also concerning. If you have a mental health disorder of any kind, please seek help and don’t just make a joke of it.
Just do kinobody. Its 3 hours per week . The guy is the einstein of fitness
they need to stop looking in that damn mirror and get off social media and youll see how fast body dismorphia clears up seriously avoid mirrors
Life itself is treated as a joke in the 'modern' societies.
Quality video, Im a big supporter of this new wave calling out the extreme side of gym culture. I love going to the gym but too much of a good thing can be bad. There have also been a lot of TikTok’s calling out the gym making guys less “chad” as they think getting bigger is an excuse to regress in every other aspect of life.
I am definetly sharing this 😊
Glad you mentioned the halo effect and social proof. It's really important to educate people about these
I wonder what would even result after enough awareness is spread. People aren't going to change their instincts. In the west the way our system and culture promotes individualism, materialism, and all the other superficial manifestations of it are also a large contributor to our primitive behavior, but it's also merely another layer of manifestation/symptom of our human instincts - the real cause.
Something like the "halo" effect will never change. If you're born a certain way, good or bad, your life will be vastly different whether you like it or not. The only way to get around it is by improving our means to cope while minimizing the bad. I hope one day we can see family values being more of a thing, but it feels like we're never getting there.
Honestly, I really needed this video. At just about 26 years old, I’m a little bit overweight and I’ve done calisthenics in order to help me manage it as well as walking and doing push-ups and I look in the mirror and still feel kind of inadequate at times. Was actually just thinking about that and then this video popped up in my feed. This video was a literal Godsend.
Fix your diet, stop eating sugar and cut down the carbs
Ive read the longer it takes to achieve a fitness goal the more likely it is to be permanent
@littlebabycarrotful yes. And if you do it long enough it ingrains and changes your DNA to a degree to be more mauclar
I know the feeling, brother. Trust me I do. I would recommend getting into a real gym alongside calisthenics, because you’ll start seeing more results. More muscle and regular hard exercise will make you look but also feel a lot better. Just make sure to eat healthy and take care of yourself, yeah?
Wow, now this is a quality video. Thank you
Love ur channel!! Very well done!!
I'm not gonna lie I was literally buying into this unrealistic body standards in my head. I'm a bit overweight and I started going to the gym 4 months ago. I have made decent strength gains and also lost some body fat. I still have those goals in my head, but I will try to not to do the negative self talk from now and have realistic goals. This video is one of the BEST videos I have seen in a while. Thank you so much mate, let's all rise above this silly dysmorphia thing together 💪🏻
When you've been lifting for such a short period of time, it's hard to gauge whether your expectations are unrealistic. After more than 5 years in the gym, I've managed to build a physique well beyond my initial expectations without any steroids. There was even a point where some of the "gym bros" thought I was on roids. You'll be surprised at what you can achieve with perseverance and a decent diet.
@@homerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I agree! Many of my friends who are experienced lifters have also told me that as a natty it takes years to get the physique you desire, and that doing it just for a couple of months and then quitting aint gonna cut it. Either way I'll have to work hard, which I will. I keep ur words in mind! Thanks
gl in your journey, hope you will arrive to your goals
You need to look at it as a marathon, let's pretend that you are 20 kilos overweight, if you lose 1 kilo a month( 1 kilo is achievable and you can also eat some pizza and sweets here and there), in 2 years you are gonna be at a normal weight, it's all social media "you need it NOW , get it NOW , do it NOW , FAST , this workout will give you results in a MONTH, do this and you will improve your net worth in 30 DAYS" it's all fucking BULL SHIT to get you to feel bad, take it easy and you will see results, do not shame yourself if you look bad , you are actively doing something to improve , that is what matters in the end.
Go for feal, not for look. Work for a body that feels good
Listening to this before going to the gym!
Amazing video man❤
Im 15 and a pretty skinny guy.I dont do weightlifting alot,but instead do cardio and calisthenics for basketball,so i do not have a six pack,i do not have the biggest biceps, i do not have the biggest chest and i dont do steroids (and never will).Im proud of the way my body is and to everyone out there,look at yourself and make a goal for yourself,dont do it to like be someone else.Stay natural!
I'm 22 now, been in sports all through school and lifting since 7th grade. All of that never made me really big. It took ageing and becoming a larger human to put on significant muscle from training, literally 'growing up'. 135 lbs your age and 195 now. My body at 15 would never be able to be this big, not naturally or healthily. High school boys aren't meant to be adult heavy unless they are an outlier in height. Keep centring physical developments around a sport or hobby you enjoy. I hope you maintain that positive attitude; it'll be a stark reminder to you when you feel lost at times how to act, as we young men stomp our path through life.
@@Kagamunde 💯💯💯
There are more than a few posts on YT that talk about this topic. This the most complete one I have seen. Dysmorphia, eating disorders, steroids in children, the unsustainability of the 'perfect' physique and the fact that people are literally dying to get to some ideal. Thanks for the post.
I’m currently struggling tremendously with body dysmorphia. I look back at photos of when I would consider I was at my “peak” physique relative to my all time progress and I love what I see but back then I wasn’t happy at all with with I saw. Now 20 lbs later and I’m even more sad that it’s gonna take a lot of work to get back to where I was. At this point I think I’m going to change my workout regime to focus more on a specific sport or skill so it is not centered around my body, hopefully it works out y’all
So glad I grew up without any social media.
Ya but people into fitness back then just read magazines and websites full of fake natties. Can't believe I thought protein powder made those drugged out bodies.
Pursue health first. Always. Longevity and functionality will always pay dividends over a couple IG photos with good lighting.
I think this is the first video on youtube I found about unrealistic male body standards
You haven’t been on the internet very long because they’ve been making them for years and much better ones imo
It's not talked about enough, especially irl
@@LeoBezan it is, for years, by much better fitness channels than this actually (no offense to the author)
@@yoeyyoey8937 this video was great, I just finished watching it
Very well done. Enjoyed youre vid. Cheers
great job making this video! More people need to learn that working out isn't about substance/gear use and abuse. It's about pushing your body to its full natural potential.
I never listen to roided coaches simply cause they have no idea what being healthy is when they barely breath right.
You are doing great work with this channel Josh. People need videos like this. I spent half my life chasing these unrealistic goals, battling anorexia, body dysmorphia and depression. It's taken me until my 40s to accept what you're telling us here.
I'm 35. I have a samilar story. It ruined my life in my 20s.
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@@InappropriateShortswhat’s so funny
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