God! It’s just representation of a brilliant and epic piece of music. The dialogue here is as if we were talking about the correct interpretation of “Scripture”. We have here is a flamboyant performance, well executed, well thought out emotionally sensitive
I can recall hearing this symphony some sixty years ago in New York City where it was often played over WQXR and attributed to Beethoven. Thanks for bringing back many fond memories from my teen-aged years - and the excellent notes which talk so thoroughly about the attribution.
About fifty years ago, a friend gave me a recording of a symphony attributed to Beethoven. Listening to the music it didn't take long for me to realize that this was not a Beethoven symphony. Nevertheless, I liked this work very much and played it often. Unfortunately my LP of this "Beethoven's First Symphony" disappeared when my house was robbed. I wonder if the thief enjoyed my collection of classics.
Love the F minor section in the second movement! The finale reminds me of Joseph Haydn's Symphony No. 48 in C Major. Great quality. Thanks for the upload! :)
Yes....His complete works were soon completely forgotten due to the changing taste in music, although his compositions were very popular and valued during his lifetime. He often found the slow movements of his works very atmospheric, in which he often shows himself to be a real romantic.
Manche Teile ähneln dem Stil Beethoven`s, andere wieder dem Haydn`s, was macht, es ist F. Witt und, sehr sehr schön. Man sollte nicht vergleichen sondern nur genießen, denn Einer komponierte schöner als der Andere. Many thanks for loading.
It's pretty clear why for so long this symphony was attributed to Beethoven. It sounds a lot like early Beethoven, and if it seems derivative of Haydn a lot of the time, so did Beethoven's own early works, including his first symphony.
Wait... isn't it? I am now reading a Beethoven biography by André Gauthier where this symphony is still considered Beethoven's. The book was released in 1969.
Раннее эта симфония приписывалась Людвигу ван Бетховену. Симфония была обнаружена Фрицем Штейном в 1909 году в архиве концертного общества в Йене. Штейн подумал, что это, вероятно, ранняя работа Бетховена, указавши на некоторые стилистические сходства в предисловии к партитуре. Вера Штейна в авторстве Бетховена была усилена тем, что письма Бетховена показывают, что до написания собственной Симфонии № 1 он пытался написать симфонию до мажор, взявши за основу Симфонию № 97 Йозефа Гайдна. В `Йенской симфониии` легко найти параллель с симфонией Гайдна. Однако, американский музыковед Ховард Чандлер Роббинс Лэндон нашёл в архивах Гёттвайгского аббатства другой экземпляр `Йенской симфонии` с именем Витта на нём. Находка Роббинса Лэндона убедила большинство учёных, что работа на самом деле принадлежит Фридриху Витту.
Early this symphony was attributed to Ludwig van Beethoven. The symphony was discovered by Fritz Stein in 1909 in the archives of the concert society in Jena. Stein thought it was probably Beethoven's early work, pointing to some stylistic similarities in the preface to the score. Stein's belief in the authorship of Beethoven was reinforced by the fact that Beethoven's letters show that before writing his own Symphony No. 1, he tried to write a symphony in C major, taking as a basis Symphony No. 97 of Joseph Haydn. In the `Yen Symphony 'it is easy to find a parallel with the symphony of Haydn. However, American musicologist Howard Chandler Robbins Landon found in the archives of the Götteigig Abbey another copy of the Jena Symphony with the name Witt on it. The discovery of Robbins Landon convinced most scientists that the work actually belongs to Friedrich Witt.
i dont know why everyone thinks this was a bethovenesque work, i actually don't find it not even close to his style, the first movement it's old fashined for himself, it's from the age of transition in baroque and classical, kinda, and has so many classical cliché elements, i think beethoven was trying to disrupt from them, even if he still had a classical form trying to morph into something else. Witt has his own style, but he is very classical, not romantic at all, although you can see this mere symphony inspired so many romantics.
Obviously, very derivative of Haydn's 97th symphony, but there are beauties here not in that piece, and even the way it re imagines the themes from that piece are original.
You might enjoy this: The Other Woman, by Orlando Pearson - a Sherlock Holmes story in which he investigates the genesis of Beethoven's Jena Symphony, as well as that of the motor car www.amazon.com/Other-Woman-Redacted-Sherlock-Holmes-ebook/dp/B07DTFM94N/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1534176822&sr=1-1&keywords=the+other+woman%2C+orlando+pearson
Patterns Vittu? Wanhal, Wranitzky.... At that time (Mozart was a child prodigy, since father Leopold tried to make a composer; the way the burial is, shows that it is not as well known as it is today). In Vienna lived one of the musical icons who lived independently of the help of aristocrats, he lived in the elite part of the city, from the sale of his notes - Johann Baptist Wanhal (1739-1813). Similarly the stars were Pavel Wranitzky, Mihael Haydn (Joseph Haydn), Ditersdorfa , Jan Ladislav Dussek, Hummel....
Mozart wouldn't write such a hack work. It uses the same elements as Viennese style but doesn't come close to Mozart's 35. It's closer to Haydn's style. But Haydn is also a genius. This is good but nothing like Haydn/Mozart/Beethoven.
![Georges Bizet - Symphony in C (1855) [Haitink Concertgebouw]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-xk7TVPyboY/mqdefault.jpg)
God! It’s just representation of a brilliant and epic piece of music. The dialogue here is as if we were talking about the correct interpretation of “Scripture”. We have here is a flamboyant performance, well executed, well thought out emotionally sensitive
I can recall hearing this symphony some sixty years ago in New York City where it was often played over WQXR and attributed to Beethoven. Thanks for bringing back many fond memories from my teen-aged years - and the excellent notes which talk so thoroughly about the attribution.
Absolutely FANTASTIC !!!!
Wonderful !!!!
About fifty years ago, a friend gave me a recording of a symphony attributed to Beethoven. Listening to the music it didn't take long for me to realize that this was not a Beethoven symphony. Nevertheless, I liked this work very much and played it often. Unfortunately my LP of this "Beethoven's First Symphony" disappeared when my house was robbed. I wonder if the thief enjoyed my collection of classics.
Probablemente ni supo lo que tenía entre manos...!
Hermosa Sinfonia
If I had discovered this symphony, the fact that it contains no 'Allegro con brio' would've been a warning sign that it wasn't Beethoven
The Fifth Piano Concerto (Emperor) has no Allegro con brio; the first movement is marked simply “Allegro.”
Прекрасная музыка!Как жаль что эти симфонии никогда не исполняются в нашей стране! и даже имя композитора ни кто у нас не знает!!!
Love the F minor section in the second movement!
The finale reminds me of Joseph Haydn's Symphony No. 48 in C Major.
Great quality. Thanks for the upload! :)
If I told you that it was modelled on Haydn's 97, would you immediately hear the resemblance?
Excellent ! It rimembers so Much Hydne!
Discovered another wonderful composer! Thanks for sharing.
Angeline Ruger me too!
Yes....His complete works were soon completely forgotten due to the changing taste in music, although his compositions were very popular and valued during his lifetime.
He often found the slow movements of his works very atmospheric, in which he often shows himself to be a real romantic.
Manche Teile ähneln dem Stil Beethoven`s, andere wieder dem Haydn`s, was macht, es ist F. Witt und, sehr sehr schön. Man sollte nicht vergleichen sondern nur genießen, denn Einer komponierte schöner als der Andere. Many thanks for loading.
Hay maestros de la música a quienes la historia les debe una reivindicación. Es el caso de Witt.
Very much like F J Haydn's later symphonies. Very well-composed.
Die 10 Londoner- oder Salomonsymphonien
It's pretty clear why for so long this symphony was attributed to Beethoven. It sounds a lot like early Beethoven, and if it seems derivative of Haydn a lot of the time, so did Beethoven's own early works, including his first symphony.
Yes, for a long time the Schwann catalog carried the "Jena" with a "WoO" designation .
It sounds like Haydn to these 81 year old ears
IT SURE SOUNDS LIKE BEETHOVEN, DOESN'T IT!
Sí, es el estilo de Ludwig. Muy bueno, por cierto.
También tiene mucho de Haydn.
For many years, it was thought that this symhpony is Beethoven's.
Wait... isn't it?
I am now reading a Beethoven biography by André Gauthier where this symphony is still considered Beethoven's. The book was released in 1969.
Раннее эта симфония приписывалась Людвигу ван Бетховену. Симфония была обнаружена Фрицем Штейном в 1909 году в архиве концертного общества в Йене. Штейн подумал, что это, вероятно, ранняя работа Бетховена, указавши на некоторые стилистические сходства в предисловии к партитуре. Вера Штейна в авторстве Бетховена была усилена тем, что письма Бетховена показывают, что до написания собственной Симфонии № 1 он пытался написать симфонию до мажор, взявши за основу Симфонию № 97 Йозефа Гайдна. В `Йенской симфониии` легко найти параллель с симфонией Гайдна. Однако, американский музыковед Ховард Чандлер Роббинс Лэндон нашёл в архивах Гёттвайгского аббатства другой экземпляр `Йенской симфонии` с именем Витта на нём. Находка Роббинса Лэндона убедила большинство учёных, что работа на самом деле принадлежит Фридриху Витту.
Ярунский Сергей My apologies, my friend, but I'm unable to understand cyrillic alphabet. Would you mind translating it?
Early this symphony was attributed to Ludwig van Beethoven. The symphony was discovered by Fritz Stein in 1909 in the archives of the concert society in Jena. Stein thought it was probably Beethoven's early work, pointing to some stylistic similarities in the preface to the score. Stein's belief in the authorship of Beethoven was reinforced by the fact that Beethoven's letters show that before writing his own Symphony No. 1, he tried to write a symphony in C major, taking as a basis Symphony No. 97 of Joseph Haydn. In the `Yen Symphony 'it is easy to find a parallel with the symphony of Haydn. However, American musicologist Howard Chandler Robbins Landon found in the archives of the Götteigig Abbey another copy of the Jena Symphony with the name Witt on it. The discovery of Robbins Landon convinced most scientists that the work actually belongs to Friedrich Witt.
brightly
Might be better off calling it Haydn Symphony no 105.
Lovely piece and should be better known
It was performed quite often, before they disproved Beethoven's suspected authorship.
Haydn Symphony no 108 (105, 106, and 107 are already taken). :)
@@cpps90ify Thanks for reminding me! I have never listened to those and will have to remedy this gap in my knowledge!
БЛЕСК!!!)))
Not fully convinced this wasn't early Beethoven -- please comment if you agree and -- why
Try Orlando Pearson's The Other Woman - A Sherlock Holmes story that features this piece
i dont know why everyone thinks this was a bethovenesque work, i actually don't find it not even close to his style, the first movement it's old fashined for himself, it's from the age of transition in baroque and classical, kinda, and has so many classical cliché elements, i think beethoven was trying to disrupt from them, even if he still had a classical form trying to morph into something else. Witt has his own style, but he is very classical, not romantic at all, although you can see this mere symphony inspired so many romantics.
Does anyone else giggle when it's implied that symphony wasn't pop?
It is No. 14?
Obviously, very derivative of Haydn's 97th symphony, but there are beauties here not in that piece, and even the way it re imagines the themes from that piece are original.
You might enjoy this: The Other Woman, by Orlando Pearson - a Sherlock Holmes story in which he investigates the genesis of Beethoven's Jena Symphony, as well as that of the motor car
www.amazon.com/Other-Woman-Redacted-Sherlock-Holmes-ebook/dp/B07DTFM94N/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1534176822&sr=1-1&keywords=the+other+woman%2C+orlando+pearson
wasn´t he the reincarnation of mozart?.
No...pero podría ser la de Beethoven.
Witt was born 1770 and Mozart died 1791 so he couldn't be the reincarnation
Patterns Vittu? Wanhal, Wranitzky.... At that time (Mozart was a child prodigy, since father Leopold tried to make a composer; the way the burial is, shows that it is not as well known as it is today).
In Vienna lived one of the musical icons who lived independently of the help of aristocrats, he lived in the elite part of the city, from the sale of his notes - Johann Baptist Wanhal (1739-1813). Similarly the stars were Pavel Wranitzky, Mihael Haydn (Joseph Haydn), Ditersdorfa , Jan Ladislav Dussek, Hummel....
It lacks Beethoven's rhythmic insights, sounds more Mozartian.
Mozart wouldn't write such a hack work. It uses the same elements as Viennese style but doesn't come close to Mozart's 35. It's closer to Haydn's style. But Haydn is also a genius. This is good but nothing like Haydn/Mozart/Beethoven.
@@Swaroque on another listen, it is more haydnesque. But how anybody could possibly mistake it for beethoven is mysterious to me.