Thank you for this video, I just started this summer and have really been struggling with forehands! This video is detailed enough so that I can correct my form. Also nice wrist bands 👍
Hello Kurt, Thanks for making these videos. When you showed the mistake of holding the disc perpendicular, I didn’t hear an explanation for how to correct this. Can you expand on this? Second, after watching Ryan Lowe’s video, “8 Secrets to Longer Forehands” I’ve been using his unorthodox three fingers inside the rim method. It seemed to me it gave me more rpm. I’d be interested in hearing your take on this grip.
Hi Sam - Happy to help.. can you be more specific on which part you want clarification on? On the 3 finger method, if it works for you then great. I personally have never tried it (nor do I know of anyone who has). I have played at the highest level of Ultimate Frisbee for nearly 20 years and I have never known anyone to use 3 fingers inside the rim of the frisbee. Do you think folks would be interested in a video trying it out and testing it to see how it works?
Thanks for the reply. I agree with you on gloves. I use them in rainy conditions or if my hands are extra sweaty. Without a tight grip it’s difficult to get the wrist snap that is so important on the flick. On the 3 finger grip, I may have to try this one and do a video and see how I do with it!
@@kurtegibson I use a 3 finger grip as well. However, I do it because of a nagging finger injury to my middle finger from years of rock climbing. 😅 Throwing from that finger twists it in a way that's painful. It certainly works pretty well for me though. I have no idea if I'm missing out on further throws because of it, so I'm interested in seeing you test it out!
Split grip is good for people with small hands (e.g. ladies, kids) but after years of playing i broke the habit, and my throw has become so much better, so it is good for everyone to experiment with it once in a while.... Also the "palm up" throw allows you to throw lower, when marking is serious. A bit of addition, for beginners: 1 - Straightenning both fingers. 2 - No gap between the middle finger and the rim. 3 - No gap at the thumb - and the outside of the rim. (this makes a good tight grip) 4.- If your throw is wobbly, then concentrate on the thumb-movement! - for a bunch of beginners, this was the most useful tip i ever made. Then the throw is smooth like butter. ;)
Can I ask what you mean about wobbly throws and thumb movement? I find I’m having some difficulty with wobble and wondering what I can keep in mind in terms of my thumb. Thanks for all your points!
I have found a four finger grip (fingers extended like a flick, not curled like a backhand) to be more effective for teaching kids than a split finger grip. It provides a more stable platform and the snap is similar to a two finger grip.
@@kurtegibson At 2:20 you talk about an issue some people have is a throwing grip where the fingers are essentially perpendicular to the hand which poses various problems. I was wondering how I could fix this issue because I have it myself
Are you looking for form to go after a disc or strictly trying to get a higher vertical? If it’s the latter there are lots of videos out there on this topic. But if you’re interested in the former, I can look to do a video on that in the future.
47-year player, coaching over 30 years - I strongly disagree that split finger grip is an error. Two fingers together definitely gives more power - when I throw off forehand I use the fingers together. However, it has drawbacks that I think make it not such a slam dunk as you think. The most important one is that with the fingers split it is much easier to reach out from your body and throw around a mark. The power grip tends to be thrown with the elbow in closer to the body (actually, I think those who hold the disc flat as your second error are trying to get that extra couple inches of reach). Most of my forehands in ultimate are 30 meters or less, for which the power generated by the split-finger is quite sufficient. To throw off or to huck I use the power grip. In short, split finger and power grip are 2 different throws with 2 different purposes. (the power grip is also much better for faking, since you can break your wrist and still keep control of the disc) I make sure every new player I teach is aware of both of them, and tell them to use the one they are comfortable with, but be aware of its strengths AND weaknesses.
Thanks for your feedback. Everyone can have different preferences and should do what's most comfortable for them. I disagree with your first point that's it's easier to reach out from your body, in my experience this is not true. And if you want to teach some people there are others ways as a split finger grip (that is your choice), but I think if someone wants to get beyond a basic level of throwing with a friend, that is not a throw that will get them very far. No one at the highest level uses a split finger grip and you certainly don't have time to change grips based off of the length of throw. At the highest level, you just don't have time to do that.
Split is very amateur. I’ve played for 15 years and the split gives an awkward feeling of maneuverability when you’re trying to whip the disk. Even on a collegiate level I did not see many of my teammates use a split forehead grip unless it’s just passive for fun short throws. In game you’re usually trying to shave down any milliseconds you can off your release so the defender doesn’t have time to block.
@@kurtegibson You are right when you said people should do what is most comfortable for them. I have seen people use the split finger to great effect. In fact, this was the common way to teach people to hold the disc in the 70s and 80s. Most of the best throwers threw split fingered. I have also seen people throw with just their forefinger. One of the hardest throwers I have ever seen used just the one finger. So, it really depends on what works best for each person. Why do most people today throw stack fingered? Probably because the grip feels more solid to most especially if you don’t have large hands. And people learn to play now before they are fully grown.
@@kurtegibson Seey my reply: @xiyuwan1658 , this isn't your problem, it is a problem with the power grip. It is a tradeoff - split finger lets you reach out farther at the cost of some power. If the power is enough I argue it is a better, or at least as good, throw. If you need more power and the mark is not guarding against it by all means use the power grip, it is beter for throwing long.
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Without writing an essay here, a disc golf backhand is way different than an Ultimate backhand. I can’t begin to really explain how it’s done without using disc golf terminology. But to simplify, you stand starting perpendicular to the target, somewhat tightly coil your legs, hips, core, shoulders, head, and arm back counterclockwise, in that order. Keep the disc away from your body and the lower arm loose. Then uncoil shifting your weight forward, by stepping with your front foot, toe to heel, stopping your forward momentum by bracing your front leg and twisting on your heel and transferring your momentum up to your body which will cause the hips, core, shoulders, head to uncoil dragging your loose arm, elbow first, and whipping the lower arm forward in a trebuchet (catapult with rotating arm and sling) like motion, releasing the disc. The arm should absolutely not move forward until the heel hits the ground very firmly, stopping forward motion and sending it in to your body. The forehand is more similar if you are throwing understable or stable discs. But if you are throwing an overstable golf disc, the throw is more baseball like.
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Thank you for this video, I just started this summer and have really been struggling with forehands! This video is detailed enough so that I can correct my form. Also nice wrist bands 👍
You’re quite welcome! Keep up the practice, it will pay off! And thank you!
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Thank you, noted!
Hello Kurt,
Thanks for making these videos. When you showed the mistake of holding the disc perpendicular, I didn’t hear an explanation for how to correct this. Can you expand on this?
Second, after watching Ryan Lowe’s video, “8 Secrets to Longer Forehands” I’ve been using his unorthodox three fingers inside the rim method. It seemed to me it gave me more rpm. I’d be interested in hearing your take on this grip.
Hi Sam - Happy to help.. can you be more specific on which part you want clarification on? On the 3 finger method, if it works for you then great. I personally have never tried it (nor do I know of anyone who has). I have played at the highest level of Ultimate Frisbee for nearly 20 years and I have never known anyone to use 3 fingers inside the rim of the frisbee. Do you think folks would be interested in a video trying it out and testing it to see how it works?
Thanks for the reply. I agree with you on gloves. I use them in rainy conditions or if my hands are extra sweaty. Without a tight grip it’s difficult to get the wrist snap that is so important on the flick. On the 3 finger grip, I may have to try this one and do a video and see how I do with it!
@@kurtegibson I use a 3 finger grip as well. However, I do it because of a nagging finger injury to my middle finger from years of rock climbing. 😅 Throwing from that finger twists it in a way that's painful. It certainly works pretty well for me though. I have no idea if I'm missing out on further throws because of it, so I'm interested in seeing you test it out!
Split grip is good for people with small hands (e.g. ladies, kids) but after years of playing i broke the habit, and my throw has become so much better, so it is good for everyone to experiment with it once in a while....
Also the "palm up" throw allows you to throw lower, when marking is serious.
A bit of addition, for beginners:
1 - Straightenning both fingers.
2 - No gap between the middle finger and the rim.
3 - No gap at the thumb - and the outside of the rim. (this makes a good tight grip)
4.- If your throw is wobbly, then concentrate on the thumb-movement! - for a bunch of beginners, this was the most useful tip i ever made. Then the throw is smooth like butter. ;)
Can I ask what you mean about wobbly throws and thumb movement? I find I’m having some difficulty with wobble and wondering what I can keep in mind in terms of my thumb. Thanks for all your points!
I have found a four finger grip (fingers extended like a flick, not curled like a backhand) to be more effective for teaching kids than a split finger grip. It provides a more stable platform and the snap is similar to a two finger grip.
@@Dip-it i'll record a response asap, in a video format. (Somehow I didnt recognize your comment so far... :/ )
Did you steal a disk from Catherine ??? We should all call her !!! LOL ;)
How do I solve the issue of throwing on a perpendicular plane? As you mentioned in the video
What do you mean, do you throw on a plane? Can you describe it a bit more
@@kurtegibson At 2:20 you talk about an issue some people have is a throwing grip where the fingers are essentially perpendicular to the hand which poses various problems. I was wondering how I could fix this issue because I have it myself
Thank you. these tipps are useful for players like me who might not be new but have some issues with their game
Great to hear!
Love your videos and explanations 👍 my lads have to watch and understand their mistakes from pro player 😉
Thank you Oleg. Please share and let me know what else I can help with
Any tips on training to jump higher for ultimate?
Are you looking for form to go after a disc or strictly trying to get a higher vertical? If it’s the latter there are lots of videos out there on this topic. But if you’re interested in the former, I can look to do a video on that in the future.
Man, ive been playing for 9 years and its hard to get out of the split grip that i learn forehand with.
It’s hard to break old habits but make some time to practice. It may take time but it’ll help you improve
47-year player, coaching over 30 years - I strongly disagree that split finger grip is an error. Two fingers together definitely gives more power - when I throw off forehand I use the fingers together. However, it has drawbacks that I think make it not such a slam dunk as you think. The most important one is that with the fingers split it is much easier to reach out from your body and throw around a mark. The power grip tends to be thrown with the elbow in closer to the body (actually, I think those who hold the disc flat as your second error are trying to get that extra couple inches of reach). Most of my forehands in ultimate are 30 meters or less, for which the power generated by the split-finger is quite sufficient. To throw off or to huck I use the power grip. In short, split finger and power grip are 2 different throws with 2 different purposes. (the power grip is also much better for faking, since you can break your wrist and still keep control of the disc) I make sure every new player I teach is aware of both of them, and tell them to use the one they are comfortable with, but be aware of its strengths AND weaknesses.
Thanks for your feedback. Everyone can have different preferences and should do what's most comfortable for them. I disagree with your first point that's it's easier to reach out from your body, in my experience this is not true. And if you want to teach some people there are others ways as a split finger grip (that is your choice), but I think if someone wants to get beyond a basic level of throwing with a friend, that is not a throw that will get them very far. No one at the highest level uses a split finger grip and you certainly don't have time to change grips based off of the length of throw. At the highest level, you just don't have time to do that.
Split is very amateur. I’ve played for 15 years and the split gives an awkward feeling of maneuverability when you’re trying to whip the disk. Even on a collegiate level I did not see many of my teammates use a split forehead grip unless it’s just passive for fun short throws. In game you’re usually trying to shave down any milliseconds you can off your release so the defender doesn’t have time to block.
@@kurtegibson
You are right when you said people should do what is most comfortable for them. I have seen people use the split finger to great effect. In fact, this was the common way to teach people to hold the disc in the 70s and 80s. Most of the best throwers threw split fingered. I have also seen people throw with just their forefinger. One of the hardest throwers I have ever seen used just the one finger. So, it really depends on what works best for each person. Why do most people today throw stack fingered? Probably because the grip feels more solid to most especially if you don’t have large hands. And people learn to play now before they are fully grown.
thank you spider man 😊😊
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What would be the correction if you’re holding the disc on a perpendicular plane like around 2:20?
Watch my How to throw a flick video for those details!
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Ha! Thanks.. It’s not ours anymore
My issue is my elbow is too close to my body when I throw the forehand. Never learn how to fix it :(
That isn’t necessarily bad. Your elbow when throwing far can sometimes be close to your body to get extra whip. The wrist is the most important part
@@kurtegibson Seey my reply: @xiyuwan1658 , this isn't your problem, it is a problem with the power grip. It is a tradeoff - split finger lets you reach out farther at the cost of some power. If the power is enough I argue it is a better, or at least as good, throw. If you need more power and the mark is not guarding against it by all means use the power grip, it is beter for throwing long.
thenks
You’re welcome!
I reprinted your teaching on China's bili website and got a lot of praise. They all like your teaching very much. The new teaching is what we need very much. Thank you for promoting this sport. If you mind if I forward your video, please tell us to delete it in time. TH-cam can't be used in China. My bilibili ID：编程
max dusc golf throw? your form is clean
Haven’t done the test yet!
Without writing an essay here, a disc golf backhand is way different than an Ultimate backhand. I can’t begin to really explain how it’s done without using disc golf terminology. But to simplify, you stand starting perpendicular to the target, somewhat tightly coil your legs, hips, core, shoulders, head, and arm back counterclockwise, in that order. Keep the disc away from your body and the lower arm loose. Then uncoil shifting your weight forward, by stepping with your front foot, toe to heel, stopping your forward momentum by bracing your front leg and twisting on your heel and transferring your momentum up to your body which will cause the hips, core, shoulders, head to uncoil dragging your loose arm, elbow first, and whipping the lower arm forward in a trebuchet (catapult with rotating arm and sling) like motion, releasing the disc. The arm should absolutely not move forward until the heel hits the ground very firmly, stopping forward motion and sending it in to your body.
The forehand is more similar if you are throwing understable or stable discs. But if you are throwing an overstable golf disc, the throw is more baseball like.