I agree with you. I think the price should be less than the used price and reflect on how well the repair is made. Meaning that if the repair was just a reglue or a reglue, sand, repaint, and refinish. The better repair the better the price.
In general woodworking the modern glue bonds are mostly extremely strong, if anything breaks it's usually NOT at the bond, and when bonds break it's because either the surfaces were contaminated or the glue was too old (always check the date limit after opening if mentioned).
I've picked up several ukuleles from Goodwill that fall into this category. Instruments with significant damage that I'm willing to attempt repair on myself. I admit to a backlog of projects but some of the completed ones are among my favorites.
General rule for repaired headstock guitars: 50% of identical non-broken used guitars. As a percentage of guitars produced, Gibson has by far the highest rate of break. The factor is like insurance rates between Ford Mustang and Chevy Corvette because young kids buy Mustangs and Epiphones while old careful drivers buy Corvettes and Gibsons, and yet Gibsons as a percentage of produced units still have a higher fracture rate. "The guitar is less likely to break a second time after a repair" that's because owners tend to be more cautious and play their other guitars after such an emotional event. The biggest headache for owning a repaired broken headstock guitar: when you try to sell it you get all the drama of a thousand questions about it.
I bought a Salvage title RV, a diesel pusher, and it has been a fantastic motorhome. We drove it on 7000 mile trips with no issues. So I think a Salvage category for guitars is a brilliant idea! You know what you're getting, and it is still a perfectly serviceable instrument.
(Second attempt at posting this, sorry if duplicate) ... about 5 and a half years ago, I bought a shattered Fender Jazzmaster American Special. The body was broken into 3 approximately equal sizes along the grain. My goal was to repair it as cheaply as possible. The hardware was complete and not damaged. I ultimately was able to reglue it and painted it candy apple red. I showed my progress on the Offset Guitars forum (if anyone is interested, the thread title is: They Said It Couldn't Be Done, OR, Don't Call It A Comeback, It Never Left). In the discussion, someone suggested I call it "Salvage Title", so I ordered a neckplate with the date, my location and the title etched on it, then donated it to Guitars for Vets. I hope it is still out there being enjoyed to this day.
I got my Les Paul Studio for a steal at L&M because the first owner was rough on the paint and did a patch up with nail polish or something. I took it home, wetsanded for 10 minutes, took 5 minutes to convince myself I didn't ruin it, and 10 to buff and polish it. I have to look really hard to find where the spot was.
I've seen a bunch of guitars that are listed as very good and have a bunch of chips and dings on it. Salvage is a good description of guitars with breaks that are repaired or refinished.
Nothing wrong with headstock repair at the right price. Sometimes that’s a nice way into a guitar you’d otherwise not be able to buy (or it’s vibey). I’ve listed them as **Headstock Repair** as the first part of the title and never above fair condition (at best). Maybe not the best marketing, but at least forthcoming. I’d rather under promise and over deliver and I certainly don’t want a buyer to be confused about what they’re buying. That Golden Rule thing.
I agree with this 100%! But, repaired guitars do have varying levels of condition - they could be beat to hell, or they could be near mint. I think it should be a marker or designation, separate from condition. For example, you could have a guitar with a headstock repair in “Structural Repair - Good” condition, or one with a headstock repair that is really worn be “Structural Repair - Fair”, etc. And of course, something like changed tuners or pickups, or a small filled finish blemish, is not a structural repair.
I've seen guitars listed on Reverb as exellent and they are missing chucks of wood? How can they list it as exellent? Or they list it as brand new and it has chips and cracks?
You wouldn't buy a car and pay near new prices if any part of the drivetrain was replaced or damaged same applies to the neck of a guitar, but THAT'S what is wrong with guitars...I don't care if the neck's been perfectly repaired it is still damaged and not the original neck no matter what, it no longer is original untouched and THAT MATTERS. People want their own original stuff not stuff with a history of repair...fixes, or mods.
Salvadge is often a way for car insurance companies to screw their insured. None of the old Gibsons with neck/headstock repairs I have owned have had any problems. with the repair even when strung for decades with big strings with wound thirds similar to Sonomatic 340L. But prices were low hundred, not 2 grand.
"This is glue. Strong stuff." - Elwood Blues
Salvage is definitely the word.
Had my Les Paul’s neck fixed 25 years ago and it’s played great ever since. Stays in tune too and I’ve play alot!
✌️😎🎸🎶🎵🎶
I agree with you. I think the price should be less than the used price and reflect on how well the repair is made. Meaning that if the repair was just a reglue or a reglue, sand, repaint, and refinish. The better repair the better the price.
In general woodworking the modern glue bonds are mostly extremely strong, if anything breaks it's usually NOT at the bond, and when bonds break it's because either the surfaces were contaminated or the glue was too old (always check the date limit after opening if mentioned).
I've picked up several ukuleles from Goodwill that fall into this category. Instruments with significant damage that I'm willing to attempt repair on myself. I admit to a backlog of projects but some of the completed ones are among my favorites.
General rule for repaired headstock guitars: 50% of identical non-broken used guitars.
As a percentage of guitars produced, Gibson has by far the highest rate of break. The factor is like insurance rates between Ford Mustang and Chevy Corvette because young kids buy Mustangs and Epiphones while old careful drivers buy Corvettes and Gibsons, and yet Gibsons as a percentage of produced units still have a higher fracture rate. "The guitar is less likely to break a second time after a repair" that's because owners tend to be more cautious and play their other guitars after such an emotional event. The biggest headache for owning a repaired broken headstock guitar: when you try to sell it you get all the drama of a thousand questions about it.
I bought a Salvage title RV, a diesel pusher, and it has been a fantastic motorhome. We drove it on 7000 mile trips with no issues. So I think a Salvage category for guitars is a brilliant idea! You know what you're getting, and it is still a perfectly serviceable instrument.
(Second attempt at posting this, sorry if duplicate) ... about 5 and a half years ago, I bought a shattered Fender Jazzmaster American Special. The body was broken into 3 approximately equal sizes along the grain. My goal was to repair it as cheaply as possible. The hardware was complete and not damaged. I ultimately was able to reglue it and painted it candy apple red.
I showed my progress on the Offset Guitars forum (if anyone is interested, the thread title is: They Said It Couldn't Be Done, OR, Don't Call It A Comeback, It Never Left). In the discussion, someone suggested I call it "Salvage Title", so I ordered a neckplate with the date, my location and the title etched on it, then donated it to Guitars for Vets. I hope it is still out there being enjoyed to this day.
So what's your thoughts on worn or relic'd guitars then?
I got my Les Paul Studio for a steal at L&M because the first owner was rough on the paint and did a patch up with nail polish or something. I took it home, wetsanded for 10 minutes, took 5 minutes to convince myself I didn't ruin it, and 10 to buff and polish it. I have to look really hard to find where the spot was.
Salvaged remanufactured
I've seen a bunch of guitars that are listed as very good and have a bunch of chips and dings on it. Salvage is a good description of guitars with breaks that are repaired or refinished.
Nothing wrong with headstock repair at the right price. Sometimes that’s a nice way into a guitar you’d otherwise not be able to buy (or it’s vibey).
I’ve listed them as **Headstock Repair** as the first part of the title and never above fair condition (at best). Maybe not the best marketing, but at least forthcoming.
I’d rather under promise and over deliver and I certainly don’t want a buyer to be confused about what they’re buying. That Golden Rule thing.
I agree with this 100%! But, repaired guitars do have varying levels of condition - they could be beat to hell, or they could be near mint. I think it should be a marker or designation, separate from condition. For example, you could have a guitar with a headstock repair in “Structural Repair - Good” condition, or one with a headstock repair that is really worn be “Structural Repair - Fair”, etc. And of course, something like changed tuners or pickups, or a small filled finish blemish, is not a structural repair.
I worked on salvage autos last year, with a salvage guitar, will you mark flood, parts only, export only or fire.
I've seen guitars listed on Reverb as exellent and they are missing chucks of wood? How can they list it as exellent?
Or they list it as brand new and it has chips and cracks?
I have a 58 Les Paul customshop ..I knocked it over and the head stock broke . I sent it to Gibson and had the neck replaced. that was my way to go
PRS won't do that for a fixed neck
@@LeeGee im sure,,, If u pay them enough of money... and they sure would
Salvage-playable or Salvage-parts?
Ever do a video about godin?
I wont buy any gibson because of all of the issues from sellers and the counterfeiters.
"Price" is not the same as "value." Price is just the seller's opinion.
Resurrected?
Describes my old p bass perfectly.
Reconstitooted
You wouldn't buy a car and pay near new prices if any part of the drivetrain was replaced or damaged same applies to the neck of a guitar, but THAT'S what is wrong with guitars...I don't care if the neck's been perfectly repaired it is still damaged and not the original neck no matter what, it no longer is original untouched and THAT MATTERS. People want their own original stuff not stuff with a history of repair...fixes, or mods.
Gibson guitars have been historically prone to broken headstocks due more to the crummy cases they are sold with.
No volute was always a design flaw
Stop breaking your headstocks!!!
FedEx can't read
Salvadge is often a way for car insurance companies to screw their insured.
None of the old Gibsons with neck/headstock repairs I have owned have had any problems. with the repair even when strung for decades with big strings with wound thirds similar to Sonomatic 340L.
But prices were low hundred, not 2 grand.