Here is an idea from a retired Australian licensed engineer: I say this because there was apparently no airframe damage and the aircraft left again soon after. I have had pilot complaints of a 'loud bang' on climb. All engine parameters normal, aircraft otherwise normal. Cause was a container did not have the container locks activated in the cargo hold, and at a certain point the loaded container rolled back till the pallet base struck the base of the container base pallet behind it. Travel is about 10-12 inches in most cases, and these things have a bit of weight in them. Once confirmed with the loading staff, the containers were repositioned, locks correctly fastened and aircraft leaves with no further reports. Just for information.....
Might such a sound also be attributed to thermal contraction of arbitrary metal panels or expansion of bulkhead compartments as the aircraft increases altitude and temperature and air pressure both decrease significantly? Perhaps only under an infrequent combination of conditions? I've seen and heard such "popping" with submarine both pressure and light hulls as temps and/or pressures change. It can seem fairly loud even when there's no damage.
Mice InOz, a quite logical explanation. However, loadmasters are supposed to check that all locks are extended during loading. An unsecured LD3 (common baggage) container or cargo pallet can cause serious weight and balance issues. Some airlines even require deadhead containers to be loaded in empty positions. Another possible explanation is a bird strike. The Canada Goose weights around 3 - 6kg on average and with even a glancing strike can make a loud report. This would explain the lack of structural damage. Be interested to know at what altitude they heard the noise.
They hit a Cessna that was flying in a known air lane without permission. The news of the Cessna took a couple of hours to be connected with the plane that hit it. Not long, but long enough for a few videos hinting at UFOs to be made
Long ago I had to take a flight from Chicago to Quincy IL in a blinding thunder storm on a tiny commuter plane. The two pilots where younger then my youngest son. This was long before 911, so there was no closed door to the cockpit. The copilot turned around in his seat and said I know your scared, but we got this, please fasten your seat belts and just try and enjoy the ride. As we where hit with the winds they where saying, Wee like they where riding a roller coaster. Once we got to the tiny local airport he once again and said "Your all going to get a kick out of this, pay attention out the windows. All we could see was total darkness. He clicked his mic twice and the runway lights came on. After a safe perfect landing there was no lights on inside the airport. We had to use our lighters to even find our luggage.
I flew for Continental/United for 34 years, until I was forced to retire in 2020 at 65, the FAA's mandatory retirement age for Airline Pilots. My final position was 777 Captain, which I flew for five years. The "calmness" of the pilots, and controllers, that people comment on is an integral part of our training. There are a few exceptions, for which there are "Immediate Action Items" that must be performed, but as a general rule the first thing we're trained to do in an emergency is to do nothing, except stabilize and fly the plane. Pushing buttons and flipping switches because you THINK you know what's wrong, and what to do, will often just make things worse.
Pilots and their calmness need to be acknowledged so much more than nothing at all. Why isn’t it ever reported how they are all hero’s too? And I’d even classify as first responders periods. Bravo to all those who fly every “soul” and stay ready for any emergency. You also put your life on the line with every flight. You are my hero’s. Thank you. ❤️
I appreciate competent pilots as much as the next guy/gal. BUT, as a retired Soldier who knows some heroes, wait... WHAT?! Define the word "hero" please. If we're going to start throwing this word at everyone who is good at their job or does a good deed then I think we need to either re-evaluate what a hero is in our own minds and stop this nonsense or apply a 1-10 scale to be used with it. It's ridiculous and it's an affront to the REAL heroes. Lets break down how I think that should go, if we were to implement this system. Those who KNOWINGLY put their lives in extreme certain danger to help save others when they aren't expected to do so are level 8 heroes. Those who actually save people or neutralize the danger, OR die in the unsuccessful attempt would be level 9 heroes. Level 8 heroes who aren't trained, or required by their job description to KNOWINGLY put themselves in mortal danger get an automatic bump to level 9. Those who do both and die themselves in the process are at the top of hero-dom. That'd be a hero level 10 to you. There is HUGE non-linear gap between level 8 and whatever level 7 is. For me, anything below level 8 doesn't make the cut. Since you are more likely to die in a car accident than an airplane crash, if you are a licensed driver, check you mail for your hero level 2 medal TODAY! Have a super day.
@@mikemorgan5015 wow so angry. For your information I was on front lines. I do not consider just people who die performing their sworn in jobs/services most to protect the public. Go hate on someone else please. Apparently you are somewhere in that number range and feel slighted. I do not just throw hero around and you cannot whatsoever speak for me or know my thoughts. I wonder what number I’d be? Actually numbers don’t matter. I willingly put my life on the line everyday to protect the public period. Number system? Sorry your rambling hate based response was to me. Believe it or not I support everyone. 0-10.
@@tamarabrunozzi8482 I'm not angry. Snarky? Yes. But not angry. It's a bit frustraing to hear people incorrectly and broadly generalize entire professions while ignoring statistical facts that are well known and easily accessible. Let's breakdown what you said to better explain my frustrations. You said: "Pilots and their calmness need to be acknowledged so much more than nothing at all." WTF does this even mean. ANY amount of acknowledgement is more than "nothing at all." I have great respect for professional pilots. First block: Check. We are in agreement on this. But who DOESN'T acknowledge pilots "more than nothing at all."? I think that group is about as close to zero as you can get. And if a hand did go up on that question, you can bet they are mentally challenged. Then you said this classic, "Why isn’t it ever reported how they are all hero’s too?" The answer to that question is wrong twice. One: It IS REPORTED that some pilots are indeed heroes. See "Al Haynes or Denny Fitch", and again because they are NOT ALL HEROES." See "Jacob Veldhuyzen van Zanten." who single handedly caused the worst aviation accident in history. This amazing bit of prose ignores the simple fact that pilot error is, by far, the most common cause of fatal air crashes. It's hard to be the hero when you are the root cause of the crash. I think most reasonable people would concur with me on that. Then this gem, "And I’d even classify as first responders periods." It may be a stretch, but I'm going out on a limb guessing the you meant to say, "I'd put all first responders in the hero category too." Correct me if I'm wrong there. Police are first responders, right? Is the cop who knelt on George Floyd's neck until he died a hero? I think most reasonable people would say, "No". And you close with, "Bravo to all those who fly every “soul” and stay ready for any emergency. You also put your life on the line with every flight. You are my hero’s. Thank you." I don't think they, "put their lives on the line with every flight" unless they are incompetent. And that's a self defeating statement then, isn't it? The worse they are as a pilot, the more danger they put themselves in. The more professional they are, the lower the risk. I will agree with you on the "bravo" and "thank you." I have great respect for professional pilots in general. Who wants a bad pilot? Not me. There is an old saying about doctors that applies to other professions too. It goes, "What do you call a doctor that finished last in his class and barely passed any of his exams? Answer: "Doctor." Something to think about. I am interested in how you willingly put your life on the line every day to protect the public period, though. I'm guessing you don't do it as an English teacher. I told you I was snarky. Don't take me too seriously on this post. Stay safe at whatever it is that you put your life on the line for. But I won't grant you hero status without some serious documentation...... Haha? Have a super week.
Hero's because they do their job well? NO! A hero is someone that goes "above and beyond" the expected duties of their job. Not crashing a jet loaded with passengers is the EXPECTED duty of all pilots. You are guilty of using the new snowflake definition of the term hero. You can reply if you want to, but I won't waste my time by continuing a discussion with a person that equates "just doing a job well" with heroism.
Airport emergency services are a fixed cost and paid for through landing fees, fuel sir taxes, and such. I don't know if there is even a fee to the airline to utilize EMS. I would think there would be no additional fees for utilizing EMS as that would create a disincentive to call for there help. I would imagine it's the same as other EMS services. The costs are integrated into daily expenses.
@@scottpecora371 What you say is certainly true for LHR. Any abnormality, from an engine out to a warning light on landing gear has to be reported. Depending on the information, the fire trucks will either mobilise outside the fire house or approach the runway prior to the aircraft landing. It happens between 2 and 4 times every day. The crews see it as an essential part of training and preferable to drinking tea all day. The only times that their have been repercussions was when the same aircraft declared an emergency repeatedly. Over the years, a few airlines have been banned from operating from Heathrow. One of the reasons is that the approach is over central London and the busy suburbs.
They train more many hours for these situations. Actually during certification if the pilot appears to be disoriented or confused, it will be noted. Calm assertive energy.
I saw a video of a SwissAir flight deck. I don't recall the aircraft being flown, but it was large enough to have a Flight Engineer, and possibly another person as well. The captain had declared an emergency and was inbound. (I'm in my 70s and saw this a year ago, so there are some details I simply don't recall. They don't materially affect the story.) Anyway, the level of "CALM" on that flight deck was like nothing I could have imagined. The co-pilot was guiding the aircraft' inbound while the captain stood, chatted with a crew member...while sipping tea from a china cup, and if I remember correctly, holding the saucer in his other hand. That went on for a tense (for me) continuation of the conversation for another two minutes or so before the Captain took control of the aircraft. If I were a fly on the wall on that flight deck and the crew spoke a language totally different from my native English, I would be hard-pressed to know that an emergency had been declared.
@@carlkenyon4599 only the guys at the top of the food chain make that. it wasn't long ago the first officers at regional airlines were lucky to make $25k (i was one of them). Things are a tiny bit better now but not where they should be especially considering it often takes more than six digits to get all the necessary training
I was a 777 pilot departing SFO to Syd on the all nighter. During climb out we hit a large bird. The noise of the impact was loud. We checked the pressurization and engines all was normal so we pressed on with the intent that if we developed any issues between SFO and SYD we would divert to HNL. Landed in Syd found a trail of blood below the windshield and no damage to the aircraft.
Another channel posted the same incident about a week ago. A United mechanic at Newark commented there saying it was a bird strike that hit just below the pilot's window.
It’s one of the densest air traffic corridors in the world. Plus dead center of the shown map is the main ATC facility for the US Eastern Seaboard. You have a half dozen major airports in a very dense cluster as well.
It's amazing anyone can understand the controller here: 6:19 . I know they have to be fast but DAMN! I slowed it down to half speed and still couldn't get it all. I guess being experienced pilots flying into that airspace they know the important bits to glean from that speed burst of syllables.
Hey Mike, I've been an airplane nut since a lad, and having also worked in Law Enforcement, it does take a while to get your bran to catch up to, and also learn, the lingo and cadence. If you're interested, get a programmable scanner and find the nearest (busy) airport frequencies. Turn the volume on low and just listen as background for a few days. Then start paying attention to the radio traffic and you'd be amazed at how much more you'll understand. And it's the same for Police, Fire, EMS and Railroad radio traffic. Enjoy!
@@thomream1888 Thanks for the comment. I was in Army artillery rocket and missile systems for over 21 years on active duty. We had our message formats too. You're right, it becomes second nature to understand what's coming, what to expect, and when the unexpected is said. At my first duty station, we had a sharp young fire direction specialist who was one of the best I've ever worked with. That is, until he had to send fire missions via voice radio. Having lived in Puerto Rico his entire life before joining the Army, let's just say he wasn't easy to understand. But after working with him for a few months, no problem. So what you're saying makes perfect sense to me.
@@jenniferkelly6931 Full disclosure, I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that after I posted this, I realized that I was, as I often do, listening at 1.5x speed. But I really did slow it down to 0.5 and it was still hard to get it all. Haha!
They did not find anything damaged and the plane was cleared to fly. It took off and safely land in Brussels about three hours late. They never found out what they hit.
Nothing in the bird strike database. I did find something that stated the flight was cleared for eventual departure with a three hour delay to it's destination.
I was flying a few years back, and we were at cruise, glass smooth flight, then Bam! Entire airplane sounded and felt like it just landed at -500fpm. Lights went out, came back on, and flight continued as usual. Was instant, and never felt another bump! One wing did dip slightly, but not bad. Still to this day have no idea what actually happened.
It may be that it was a short flight so already not a lot of fuel, but a 777 will always be "heavy" regardless of how much fuel they carry if that makes sense. They are big girls
Long enough runway should be no need is my first thought but yes definitely heavy (which is why they keep saying it I'm guessing). Notice he also said higher than normal landing speed right before clearance final approach.
I thought when they were being vectored around, they would have been dumping at that point, but his time in fuel remaining stayed the same at 9 hours. Agree...guess Newark has some long runways.
Very cool performance by everyone involved. It didn't matter in this case, but it would be nice if ATC could keep a record of the SOB & fuel instead of bothering the crew again and again. (They've probably got more important things to consider at that moment.) Did they find out what the UFO was? My guess would be a Canada goose,
I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't standard procedure, when a new controller takes over, to ask again to CONFIRM the information that was passed to them, to ensure that everyone's on the same page throughout the emergency.
So what did 999 heavy hit? no footage of the aircraft when landed could any impact be seen ? why show this if there no evidence of the aircraft hitting anything!
@@TheFunninthesun because roles were not clearly shared. Both pilots were sharing R.O. duties - probably other responsibilities too. Hence - bad C.R.M.
You get a grid 3 squares across and 3 squares high to fill in, and 3 clues, so you will enjoy finding out yourself as the plane hurtles to the ground. The Captain's name was Roger, the RO did not eat his words or chew gum, and the PF had a thing for one of the cabin crew, so... tum-ti-tum, tum-ti-tum... nobody was flying the plane, again...
They hit that pug-ugly monster that William Shatner saw outside his window cavorting on the wing during the dark thunderstorm on that Twilight Zone flight.
A bang at 8000ft? Not likely a drone unless military and those would have definitely penetrated the fuselage. My guess is geese or eagles at that altitude. Big birds at 300kts plus would be a big bang for sure.
I was on a UA flight from EWR to HKG and just as we passed 10K, I spotted a large, multi rotor drone right off the starboard wing. Scared the crap out of me and I was sure the pilots spotted it, but when deplaning I spoke with them and they had not seen it. So this could have been a drone.
Why does the audio of the transmissions FROM the aircraft, when they are talking to New York, have background noise of multiple people talking? In other words, the background noise during transmissions both FROM ATC and FROM the aircraft both seem to have the same kind of multiple people talking background noise.
Not in the industry, but often the radio "squelch" feature will suppress background noise, including weak signals on or near your current frequency. When a signal strong enough to overcome the squelch is detected, the radio will output all sound on the frequency including that background noise - so could be another airport talking on a similar frequency, usually the FAA avoids this but some places just have too much need for frequencies.
@@uus4938 Yes, but aviation VHF comms are double sideband AM and when there is more than one present at a time, you hear a tone (a beat note) from the two carriers not being at precisely the same frequency, and the audio is distorted as well. It may be that the ground-based receiver which was monitoring these comms had problems with interference from other transmission sources, though.
I dread the time when airlines goes with ONE pilot in the air instead of two! With emergencies and alarms going off, how do U aviate, navigate, communicate all the while figuring out what is wrong with the aircraft!!!! You’re good as doomed!!!!
You are wrong. A computer can do all those things instantly without panic, fear, or confusion. The vast majority of crashes are caused by pilot error. New smaller private aircraft are equipped with a button that if the pilot is not able to fly the plane, a passenger can push a big red button. The auto pilot will declare and automated emergency to ATC, put an emergency squawk code in the transponder and fly and land itself at the closest airport that can support that kind of automated landing. How a computer handles an emergency situation is all about programming. How many times have you seen a pilot confused about what the nature of the emergency is and shuts down the wrong engine? I see a single pilot becoming a “systems monitor” in the next 20 years.
@@steveh1256 Apparently you've been watching too many Sci-fi movies, nothing compares to human control of anything! Not even a high tech airplane. But you keep watching your repeats of Terminator movies, it'll all work out.
This might have already been asked, but why do pilots often ask for vectors to troubleshoot instead of heading directly back to the airport? I love and fear flying at the same time! Watching flying videos has helped calm my fear significantly in the last few years!
My guess would be that they want to troubleshoot the extent of any damage. For example, if the bang was related to the landing gear, or if it had damaged any of the flight instruments, then the pilots would want to know before using either of those during landing. Also, if the plane is not in immediate danger (ie: both engines malfunction, major structural damage, etc), then taking a bit of time to prep for landing and calm everyone down (both the pilots and passengers), as well as notify the company that they will be returning, can make a big difference. And lastly, in this case, they could burn off some of the fuel, which would reduce landing weight, which is also a good thing. So basically, the reason why they ask to troubleshoot or to hold is to give themselves time. With time, they can ensure that the aircraft is safe to land, that everybody is calm and informed, and that the airline is ready to help the passengers when they land.
they have to run checklists to determine the problem/solve or mitigate the issue.... unless they are in a freefall they certainly have some ability to keep flying and they generally want to continue to have that ability, not to continue the flight but to land the plane in a controlled manner. same sort of thing that if the y lose an engine during the takeoff roll, depending on where during the roll that happens, they will continue the roll and climb out ...
they need a few minutes of clear airspace and time to sort out the problem and decide on appropriate action. Basically pulling off the highway to look at the manual.
lol! no, 1) cargo doesn't just shift. 2) they wouldn't confuse cargo shifting with flying into something hitting them in the front of the plane. These are experienced pilots, if they say they hit something, then they hit something.
If it was just a bird, so be it, that happens, nothing anyone can do about it, but if it was found to be a drone, then a jail sentence and repair cost fine is in order in my personal opinion!
Repair cost fine? Hell I could barely afford to repair a side panel on my car at the local Mexican body shop, I don't imagine most people could come close to affording a commercial airliner repair.
to dump fuel over populated areas you really need to be dealing with an obvious failure of something, engine, flights controls etc, which is likely to make it difficult to land safely, which they apparently were not.
@@candydandy2694 Two things: 1) They could be steered away from populated areas for fuel-dump. 2) If you're too heavy to land ("999Heavy") you risk disaster landing without first having shed enough weight.
Why was the aircraft switching between who was dealing with ATC? I thought normally there would be just one pilot doing the comms and one flying the plane?
When you have a problem sometimes it is easier for the pilot flying to operate thr radio because the pilot monitoring who is running the checklist might be involved in complex procedures so some times it may be best not to break the flow of the checklist . It all about managing the flight and not letting any of your colleagues get overloaded.
There were 3 pilots on the flight. Captain, First Officer and an International Relief Officer (IRO). At the pilot flying's descension The IRO in the jump seat may operate the radios. Someone was probably on the Satellite Phone talking with dispatch and/or maintenance control. The workload was extremely heavy during the emergency. retired 777 pilot Newark
It is incredibly dangerous to not have a load secured and locked down. That is what brought down the Boeing 747 Flight 102 after it took off from Bagram, Afghanistan back in 2013.
That one was awful. The crew had a long time facing the certainty of death. I would rather have been hit by a straight-through head shot than just get an artery ruptured.
I hit two Canada geese in a van going 30 mph and the bang on my windshield was loud. I can imagine how much louder it was on a metal plane going 275 mph. The geese I hit were on the shoulder of a rural road in Nevada, and decided to take off to flight just as I aporoached. They were not very experienced flyers? Maybe juveniles.
"Abundance of caution" means too much caution. Just say you're concerned the plane might be damaged and you want to get it checked before crossing the ocean. That's not an abundance of caution!
why did they say they hit something, when they never saw anything? hearing a sound does not mean they hit something. Very unprofessional to say we hit something, when there was no evidence of any collision with any outside object. And in fact, no evidence was found that the plane hit something. What she should have said was, "we heard a loud bang, and we want to come back."
alerted about what? it was a single object, not a flock of birds, and whatever that single object was, no one else needs to be worried about it after a heavy 777 has been through it. 🤦♀
No. There was no reason to jettison fuel. Their system check did not indicate any issues and the plane was 100% in flight. If they had lost an engine, damaged a wing, or incurred a perforation of the aircraft fuselage ..that would be an emergency landing and fuel dump.
Only reason to dump fuel is to get below max gross landing weight. Only time that is likely to be an issue are long/overseas flights. Otherwise, fuel loads are based on destination, alternates, and time for any delayed to destination. And majority of that places equipment below max gross landing weight at departure. (broad brushing. Smaller aircraft, the numbers tighten up)
We are anticipating feedback from some quarters that upon landing FAA officials found what were the remains of a small green man just below the pilots window.
I had a flight outta Atlanta going to tri cities but planes were lined up due to a bad storm and a few jets pulled out and went back but our pilot flying this prop commuter said we have a small window an proceeded to taxi an as he was rolling lightning struck really close and they circled around and raced the storm all the way a roller coaster ride plus so when we landed it was like a military like landed and the rain was torrential..Ive flown alot thru down drafts up drafts etc but this was one for the books I didn't know if i should shake their hands or throw a rock for such a risky flight..at the time these same commuter planes were crashing frequently as we were to had a jet but low passengers put us on this plane...those pilots were good///
I've often been in Concussion Protocol. Great place, well worth the visit. But I'll avoid Ruptured Aortal Aneurysm. None of the people who have been there have ever said anything good about it. I'm currently in Chronic Cardiac Arrhythmia, but I will not stay long. I would like to, though, because that's true...
100 ft to 10,000 ft is a typical altitude range with 5,000-6,000 ft being common for migratory birds. The Black Kite may fly at 37,000 ft. Some birds fly at an altitude of 5.5 miles (29,000 ft) migrating over the Himalayas.
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Here is an idea from a retired Australian licensed engineer: I say this because there was apparently no airframe damage and the aircraft left again soon after. I have had pilot complaints of a 'loud bang' on climb. All engine parameters normal, aircraft otherwise normal. Cause was a container did not have the container locks activated in the cargo hold, and at a certain point the loaded container rolled back till the pallet base struck the base of the container base pallet behind it. Travel is about 10-12 inches in most cases, and these things have a bit of weight in them. Once confirmed with the loading staff, the containers were repositioned, locks correctly fastened and aircraft leaves with no further reports. Just for information.....
Might such a sound also be attributed to thermal contraction of arbitrary metal panels or expansion of bulkhead compartments as the aircraft increases altitude and temperature and air pressure both decrease significantly? Perhaps only under an infrequent combination of conditions?
I've seen and heard such "popping" with submarine both pressure and light hulls as temps and/or pressures change. It can seem fairly loud even when there's no damage.
Thank you Mice InOz. I was looking for a plausible explanation like yours. 👍
Thank you, that leaves a little bit of an understanding as to possibilities.
@@exgenica Not in my experience in 51 years of aviation.
Mice InOz, a quite logical explanation. However, loadmasters are supposed to check that all locks are extended during loading. An unsecured LD3 (common baggage) container or cargo pallet can cause serious weight and balance issues. Some airlines even require deadhead containers to be loaded in empty positions. Another possible explanation is a bird strike. The Canada Goose weights around 3 - 6kg on average and with even a glancing strike can make a loud report. This would explain the lack of structural damage. Be interested to know at what altitude they heard the noise.
yeah, we need pictures of the plane and a final disposition . Don't leave us hanging .
Can we make you a sandwich, too ?
@@FloridaJack Nah, your mom already made him a sandwich.
@@FloridaJack 😂😂😂😂
They hit a Cessna that was flying in a known air lane without permission. The news of the Cessna took a couple of hours to be connected with the plane that hit it. Not long, but long enough for a few videos hinting at UFOs to be made
Heard nothing seen nothing lol
Unfortunately, upon inspection, all they found was some Reindeer hair, broken antlers, and a part of a shiny red nose embedded in the plane.
🤣😅😂🤪
:)
So they didn't even get any venison to keep!!
Serves them right after they ran over my grandma.
Long ago I had to take a flight from Chicago to Quincy IL in a blinding thunder storm on a tiny commuter plane. The two pilots where younger then my youngest son. This was long before 911, so there was no closed door to the cockpit. The copilot turned around in his seat and said I know your scared, but we got this, please fasten your seat belts and just try and enjoy the ride. As we where hit with the winds they where saying, Wee like they where riding a roller coaster. Once we got to the tiny local airport he once again and said "Your all going to get a kick out of this, pay attention out the windows. All we could see was total darkness. He clicked his mic twice and the runway lights came on. After a safe perfect landing there was no lights on inside the airport. We had to use our lighters to even find our luggage.
😂🤣😅😆
That would be one of the reasons that I always carry a flashlight on my belt.
In 2023, that would be phone light…no lighters, please😻
I flew for Continental/United for 34 years, until I was forced to retire in 2020 at 65, the FAA's mandatory retirement age for Airline Pilots. My final position was 777 Captain, which I flew for five years. The "calmness" of the pilots, and controllers, that people comment on is an integral part of our training. There are a few exceptions, for which there are "Immediate Action Items" that must be performed, but as a general rule the first thing we're trained to do in an emergency is to do nothing, except stabilize and fly the plane. Pushing buttons and flipping switches because you THINK you know what's wrong, and what to do, will often just make things worse.
Pilots and their calmness need to be acknowledged so much more than nothing at all. Why isn’t it ever reported how they are all hero’s too? And I’d even classify as first responders periods. Bravo to all those who fly every “soul” and stay ready for any emergency. You also put your life on the line with every flight. You are my hero’s. Thank you. ❤️
I appreciate competent pilots as much as the next guy/gal. BUT, as a retired Soldier who knows some heroes, wait... WHAT?! Define the word "hero" please. If we're going to start throwing this word at everyone who is good at their job or does a good deed then I think we need to either re-evaluate what a hero is in our own minds and stop this nonsense or apply a 1-10 scale to be used with it.
It's ridiculous and it's an affront to the REAL heroes. Lets break down how I think that should go, if we were to implement this system.
Those who KNOWINGLY put their lives in extreme certain danger to help save others when they aren't expected to do so are level 8 heroes.
Those who actually save people or neutralize the danger, OR die in the unsuccessful attempt would be level 9 heroes. Level 8 heroes who aren't trained, or required by their job description to KNOWINGLY put themselves in mortal danger get an automatic bump to level 9.
Those who do both and die themselves in the process are at the top of hero-dom. That'd be a hero level 10 to you. There is HUGE non-linear gap between level 8 and whatever level 7 is.
For me, anything below level 8 doesn't make the cut.
Since you are more likely to die in a car accident than an airplane crash, if you are a licensed driver, check you mail for your hero level 2 medal TODAY!
Have a super day.
@@mikemorgan5015 wow so angry. For your information I was on front lines. I do not consider just people who die performing their sworn in jobs/services most to protect the public. Go hate on someone else please. Apparently you are somewhere in that number range and feel slighted. I do not just throw hero around and you cannot whatsoever speak for me or know my thoughts. I wonder what number I’d be? Actually numbers don’t matter. I willingly put my life on the line everyday to protect the public period. Number system? Sorry your rambling hate based response was to me. Believe it or not I support everyone. 0-10.
@@tamarabrunozzi8482 I'm not angry. Snarky? Yes. But not angry. It's a bit frustraing to hear people incorrectly and broadly generalize entire professions while ignoring statistical facts that are well known and easily accessible.
Let's breakdown what you said to better explain my frustrations. You said:
"Pilots and their calmness need to be acknowledged so much more than nothing at all." WTF does this even mean. ANY amount of acknowledgement is more than "nothing at all." I have great respect for professional pilots. First block: Check. We are in agreement on this. But who DOESN'T acknowledge pilots "more than nothing at all."? I think that group is about as close to zero as you can get. And if a hand did go up on that question, you can bet they are mentally challenged.
Then you said this classic, "Why isn’t it ever reported how they are all hero’s too?" The answer to that question is wrong twice. One: It IS REPORTED that some pilots are indeed heroes. See "Al Haynes or Denny Fitch", and again because they are NOT ALL HEROES." See "Jacob Veldhuyzen van Zanten." who single handedly caused the worst aviation accident in history. This amazing bit of prose ignores the simple fact that pilot error is, by far, the most common cause of fatal air crashes. It's hard to be the hero when you are the root cause of the crash. I think most reasonable people would concur with me on that.
Then this gem, "And I’d even classify as first responders periods." It may be a stretch, but I'm going out on a limb guessing the you meant to say, "I'd put all first responders in the hero category too." Correct me if I'm wrong there. Police are first responders, right? Is the cop who knelt on George Floyd's neck until he died a hero? I think most reasonable people would say, "No".
And you close with, "Bravo to all those who fly every “soul” and stay ready for any emergency. You also put your life on the line with every flight. You are my hero’s. Thank you." I don't think they, "put their lives on the line with every flight" unless they are incompetent. And that's a self defeating statement then, isn't it? The worse they are as a pilot, the more danger they put themselves in. The more professional they are, the lower the risk. I will agree with you on the "bravo" and "thank you."
I have great respect for professional pilots in general. Who wants a bad pilot? Not me.
There is an old saying about doctors that applies to other professions too. It goes, "What do you call a doctor that finished last in his class and barely passed any of his exams? Answer: "Doctor."
Something to think about.
I am interested in how you willingly put your life on the line every day to protect the public period, though. I'm guessing you don't do it as an English teacher. I told you I was snarky. Don't take me too seriously on this post.
Stay safe at whatever it is that you put your life on the line for. But I won't grant you hero status without some serious documentation...... Haha?
Have a super week.
So so true. ❤. Thanks to the engineers and mechanics too. It takes a lot of people to give you that feeling of confidence.
Hero's because they do their job well? NO! A hero is someone that goes "above and beyond" the expected duties of their job. Not crashing a jet loaded with passengers is the EXPECTED duty of all pilots. You are guilty of using the new snowflake definition of the term hero. You can reply if you want to, but I won't waste my time by continuing a discussion with a person that equates "just doing a job well" with heroism.
Abundance of caution means passengers' lives above airline profit = kudos to the air crew and ATC
Airport emergency services are a fixed cost and paid for through landing fees, fuel sir taxes, and such. I don't know if there is even a fee to the airline to utilize EMS. I would think there would be no additional fees for utilizing EMS as that would create a disincentive to call for there help. I would imagine it's the same as other EMS services. The costs are integrated into daily expenses.
Er, the crews` lives as well...
So true.
@@scottpecora371 What you say is certainly true for LHR. Any abnormality, from an engine out to a warning light on landing gear has to be reported. Depending on the information, the fire trucks will either mobilise outside the fire house or approach the runway prior to the aircraft landing. It happens between 2 and 4 times every day. The crews see it as an essential part of training and preferable to drinking tea all day.
The only times that their have been repercussions was when the same aircraft declared an emergency repeatedly. Over the years, a few airlines have been banned from operating from Heathrow. One of the reasons is that the approach is over central London and the busy suburbs.
@@admiralbenbow5083 Pilots are ALWAYS the first to the scene of the accident
It's always impressive to see how calm, controlled and professional both the pilots and the controllers are in these situations
They train more many hours for these situations. Actually during certification if the pilot appears to be disoriented or confused, it will be noted.
Calm assertive energy.
I saw a video of a SwissAir flight deck. I don't recall the aircraft being flown, but it was large enough to have a Flight Engineer, and possibly another person as well.
The captain had declared an emergency and was inbound. (I'm in my 70s and saw this a year ago, so there are some details I simply don't recall. They don't materially affect the story.)
Anyway, the level of "CALM" on that flight deck was like nothing I could have imagined. The co-pilot was guiding the aircraft' inbound while the captain stood, chatted with a crew member...while sipping tea from a china cup, and if I remember correctly, holding the saucer in his other hand. That went on for a tense (for me) continuation of the conversation for another two minutes or so before the Captain took control of the aircraft. If I were a fly on the wall on that flight deck and the crew spoke a language totally different from my native English, I would be hard-pressed to know that an emergency had been declared.
But later need help pulling the seat cousins out of their cheeks
The professionalism of airline pilots never ceases to amaze me!! Regardless of their income level, it's not enough!!
Totally agree. Always have.
Being responsible for 354 souls ,or 100 , not enough compensation, ever.
I'm guessing a consumer drone.
a 777 captain salary is $199, 047 base for United . Almost are all over $250,000- Very Sweet ! I think its enough .
@@carlkenyon4599 only the guys at the top of the food chain make that. it wasn't long ago the first officers at regional airlines were lucky to make $25k (i was one of them). Things are a tiny bit better now but not where they should be especially considering it often takes more than six digits to get all the necessary training
It is always.....always....always....always best to play it safe. Kudos to the crew for doing the correct thing.
Indeed a very cool & calm approach into an unknown issue. Kudos to the co- pilot.
I was a 777 pilot departing SFO to Syd on the all nighter. During climb out we hit a large bird. The noise of the impact was loud. We checked the pressurization and engines all was normal so we pressed on with the intent that if we developed any issues between SFO and SYD we would divert to HNL. Landed in Syd found a trail of blood below the windshield and no damage to the aircraft.
:-( Poor birdie ...
Give me the other piloot that uses an abundance of caution.
I would have been interested in finding out what the result of the ground inspection was, and to learn if they really hit anything.
Must've left a mark, skin, blood, beak stuck into airframe?
Look up. Joseph Robichaud answered it 4 months ago
So what was the outcome? Was there damage? Did they figure out what they hit or what actually happened?
GREAT TRAING for this co-pilot/pilot saved 366 lives...WOW! I hope he's been promoted, and flies his own plane. BRAVO to the HERO!
Does that include a dozen people on the ground? I'm a little confused by your 366 number when the First Officer twice reported 354 lives on board.
If you know the exact amount the pilot said, just ignore the other guy who said the wrong number. No need to mention it.
@@noneyabusiness4006 If there is no need to mention something, there's no need to mention it yourself, right?
Another channel posted the same incident about a week ago. A United mechanic at Newark commented there saying it was a bird strike that hit just below the pilot's window.
But at 8,000 feet? That’s when the pilots said they hit something.
@@shortylucy migrating ducks or geese maybe?
Sandhill crane maybe. They fly higher than that.
Canadian geese have been reported at 28,000 feet!
It’s crazy how one little bird can take down a a whole plane.
Why the delay between the "Heavy" impact at 8000 feet and reporting the possible collision?
There's no confirmation of a strike or the ID of the object supposedly struck. Any word on that?
Calm..cool and perfectly collected. Good job pilots!
✌️&❤️
What's the ending? Did the plane hit something? What's the damage?
I happened to be on this flight. It was the weirdest thing. I also felt the bump - and when I looked out the window I saw William Shatner on the wing
was his wig still on?
Did he have a female alien with him. After crossing galaxies, for him, the mile-high club would be nothing.
Lol
What surprised this old Australian Aeradio Operator (1960's vintage) was the amount of times the aircraft had to change frequency.
I imagine it takes a lot of pressure off the individual controllers
I suspect that there are 4 major airports in that area have an influence on that.
Ex FSO2. Mostly in SY back in the day. Cheers mate.
Departure, arrival sectors have different frequencies . So does tower and ground control.
It’s one of the densest air traffic corridors in the world. Plus dead center of the shown map is the main ATC facility for the US Eastern Seaboard. You have a half dozen major airports in a very dense cluster as well.
It's amazing anyone can understand the controller here: 6:19 . I know they have to be fast but DAMN! I slowed it down to half speed and still couldn't get it all. I guess being experienced pilots flying into that airspace they know the important bits to glean from that speed burst of syllables.
I loved the subtitles...otherwise I wouldn't have understood a word !
Hey Mike, I've been an airplane nut since a lad, and having also worked in Law Enforcement, it does take a while to get your bran to catch up to, and also learn, the lingo and cadence. If you're interested, get a programmable scanner and find the nearest (busy) airport frequencies. Turn the volume on low and just listen as background for a few days. Then start paying attention to the radio traffic and you'd be amazed at how much more you'll understand. And it's the same for Police, Fire, EMS and Railroad radio traffic. Enjoy!
@@thomream1888 Thanks for the comment. I was in Army artillery rocket and missile systems for over 21 years on active duty. We had our message formats too. You're right, it becomes second nature to understand what's coming, what to expect, and when the unexpected is said. At my first duty station, we had a sharp young fire direction specialist who was one of the best I've ever worked with. That is, until he had to send fire missions via voice radio. Having lived in Puerto Rico his entire life before joining the Army, let's just say he wasn't easy to understand. But after working with him for a few months, no problem. So what you're saying makes perfect sense to me.
@@jenniferkelly6931 Full disclosure, I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that after I posted this, I realized that I was, as I often do, listening at 1.5x speed. But I really did slow it down to 0.5 and it was still hard to get it all. Haha!
@@mikemorgan5015 I think the controller's accent was a little difficult to tune into as well.
Wowzer; very calm and professional. Just what I’d want if I was on this flight.
Someone answered heavy loads slide on their palates at takeoff sometimes. That made svense to me.
Ok... 1, What did they hit? 2, Why did you send them all over the place instead of sending them straight back immediately?
Wow. Listening to the communications and leaving us hanging as to the glitch. Bypass this gig in the future.
No pictures of the impact?
A photo of what was found on inspection would have been a nice ending
They did not find anything damaged and the plane was cleared to fly. It took off and safely land in Brussels about three hours late. They never found out what they hit.
Another on-line video covers the same incident, and reports that it was a bird strike.
@@martinwebb1681 They might just say that when they cant figure it out. "I dont know" looks bad on the report
So, what hit 'em?
Ok --after almost 11 minutes of watching this , what did they strike at 8,000 feet ? Would be nice to know
Bird
it was a piano falling from someone's apartment?
@@Winged_Hussar_ Riiiight--at an altitude of 8,000 feet
@@AntVan-eo5qw could be, if it were like that cartoon where the guy is on the sidewalk and gets clobbered.
@@Winged_Hussar_ That was a juvenile statement. Did anyone see a cartoon in this YoutTube video? We are being "trolled".
Did they hit a surveillance balloon?
What did the damage look like
Nothing in the bird strike database. I did find something that stated the flight was cleared for eventual departure with a three hour delay to it's destination.
That means that there was no damage to the aircraft. More and more curious!
There might be a report somewhere in a year that no one will notice.
I was flying a few years back, and we were at cruise, glass smooth flight, then Bam! Entire airplane sounded and felt like it just landed at -500fpm. Lights went out, came back on, and flight continued as usual. Was instant, and never felt another bump! One wing did dip slightly, but not bad. Still to this day have no idea what actually happened.
@@Celtkin Compressor stall, that recovered?
Surprised no dumping of fuel. Must have been a heavy landing.
It may be that it was a short flight so already not a lot of fuel, but a 777 will always be "heavy" regardless of how much fuel they carry if that makes sense. They are big girls
Think he said early in conversation 9 hours of fuel.That would be heavy.
Long enough runway should be no need is my first thought but yes definitely heavy (which is why they keep saying it I'm guessing). Notice he also said higher than normal landing speed right before clearance final approach.
I thought when they were being vectored around, they would have been dumping at that point, but his time in fuel remaining stayed the same at 9 hours. Agree...guess Newark has some long runways.
I assume they had a safe landing would have been good to know what the damage was and possiblywhat caused it.
So no evidence of any collision? Did they ever find out conclusively what it was?
Very cool performance by everyone involved. It didn't matter in this case, but it would be nice if ATC could keep a record of the SOB & fuel instead of bothering the crew again and again. (They've probably got more important things to consider at that moment.)
Did they find out what the UFO was? My guess would be a Canada goose,
Different ATCs asking. The first time it was departure control asking, the second time it was approach control.
I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't standard procedure, when a new controller takes over, to ask again to CONFIRM the information that was passed to them, to ensure that everyone's on the same page throughout the emergency.
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@@marksieving7925 That's why each position has a hotline!
A goose might be considered an object...but not to it's mother.
So what did 999 heavy hit? no footage of the aircraft when landed could any impact be seen ? why show this if there no evidence of the aircraft hitting anything!
So what happened?
What did they hit?
Who was the Captain..who was the RO and who was the pilot flying?
Yes. Bad CRM.
@@PipeManPeep Why do you say bad CRM? The crew was very calm, collected, and responsive the entire time.
@@TheFunninthesun because roles were not clearly shared. Both pilots were sharing R.O. duties - probably other responsibilities too.
Hence - bad C.R.M.
They can flip PF and PM depending on need. Flights like this likely had three Pilots.
You get a grid 3 squares across and 3 squares high to fill in, and 3 clues, so you will enjoy finding out yourself as the plane hurtles to the ground. The Captain's name was Roger, the RO did not eat his words or chew gum, and the PF had a thing for one of the cabin crew, so... tum-ti-tum, tum-ti-tum... nobody was flying the plane, again...
It would have been nice if you told us what the end result of that was...I.e. - what they struck.
Bird strike.
@@badgerpa9 I figured as much, but never heard it on the video.
backfire?
They hit that pug-ugly monster that William Shatner saw outside his window cavorting on the wing during the dark thunderstorm on that Twilight Zone flight.
A bang at 8000ft? Not likely a drone unless military and those would have definitely penetrated the fuselage. My guess is geese or eagles at that altitude. Big birds at 300kts plus would be a big bang for sure.
overtaking - The bird had the right of way
@@robertd7073the Geese are going to remember and retaliate 😳
Canada gooses strikes again
I was on a UA flight from EWR to HKG and just as we passed 10K, I spotted a large, multi rotor drone right off the starboard wing. Scared the crap out of me and I was sure the pilots spotted it, but when deplaning I spoke with them and they had not seen it. So this could have been a drone.
Glad it was not ingested by an engine. Takes some time to switch out an engine.
What did they hit?
The only reason I sat through this!
@@pameladee Ditto!
There might be a report somewhere in a year that no one will notice.
A Robin....
Lots of runaway Macy’s floats at 8K feet
Someone finally ran over the jetpack guy.
Why does the audio of the transmissions FROM the aircraft, when they are talking to New York, have background noise of multiple people talking? In other words, the background noise during transmissions both FROM ATC and FROM the aircraft both seem to have the same kind of multiple people talking background noise.
Not in the industry, but often the radio "squelch" feature will suppress background noise, including weak signals on or near your current frequency. When a signal strong enough to overcome the squelch is detected, the radio will output all sound on the frequency including that background noise - so could be another airport talking on a similar frequency, usually the FAA avoids this but some places just have too much need for frequencies.
@@uus4938 Yes, but aviation VHF comms are double sideband AM and when there is more than one present at a time, you hear a tone (a beat note) from the two carriers not being at precisely the same frequency, and the audio is distorted as well. It may be that the ground-based receiver which was monitoring these comms had problems with interference from other transmission sources, though.
I dread the time when airlines goes with ONE pilot in the air instead of two! With emergencies and alarms going off, how do U aviate, navigate, communicate all the while figuring out what is wrong with the aircraft!!!! You’re good as doomed!!!!
They will never
@@THExBLAZEx88 never say never…nothing surprises me anymore these days.
The thought of going with one pilot is not only scary but it's suicide for an airline company.
You are wrong. A computer can do all those things instantly without panic, fear, or confusion. The vast majority of crashes are caused by pilot error. New smaller private aircraft are equipped with a button that if the pilot is not able to fly the plane, a passenger can push a big red button. The auto pilot will declare and automated emergency to ATC, put an emergency squawk code in the transponder and fly and land itself at the closest airport that can support that kind of automated landing. How a computer handles an emergency situation is all about programming. How many times have you seen a pilot confused about what the nature of the emergency is and shuts down the wrong engine? I see a single pilot becoming a “systems monitor” in the next 20 years.
@@steveh1256 Apparently you've been watching too many Sci-fi movies, nothing compares to human control of anything! Not even a high tech airplane.
But you keep watching your repeats of Terminator movies, it'll all work out.
That was a little bit out of the ordinary and an interesting change! Do we know what hit the plane? Was it damaged?
No one knows... no explanation of anything
Birdy
@@briansguy - or tiny UFO.
So what happened????
That’s it? No follow up. I don’t think things just go bang at 10.000 feet
This might have already been asked, but why do pilots often ask for vectors to troubleshoot instead of heading directly back to the airport? I love and fear flying at the same time! Watching flying videos has helped calm my fear significantly in the last few years!
Because there are a lot of other planes in the air.
My guess would be that they want to troubleshoot the extent of any damage.
For example, if the bang was related to the landing gear, or if it had damaged any of the flight instruments, then the pilots would want to know before using either of those during landing.
Also, if the plane is not in immediate danger (ie: both engines malfunction, major structural damage, etc), then taking a bit of time to prep for landing and calm everyone down (both the pilots and passengers), as well as notify the company that they will be returning, can make a big difference.
And lastly, in this case, they could burn off some of the fuel, which would reduce landing weight, which is also a good thing.
So basically, the reason why they ask to troubleshoot or to hold is to give themselves time. With time, they can ensure that the aircraft is safe to land, that everybody is calm and informed, and that the airline is ready to help the passengers when they land.
they have to run checklists to determine the problem/solve or mitigate the issue.... unless they are in a freefall they certainly have some ability to keep flying and they generally want to continue to have that ability, not to continue the flight but to land the plane in a controlled manner. same sort of thing that if the y lose an engine during the takeoff roll, depending on where during the roll that happens, they will continue the roll and climb out ...
@@macattack123mattc3 - Thank you for your explanation.
they need a few minutes of clear airspace and time to sort out the problem and decide on appropriate action. Basically pulling off the highway to look at the manual.
Love the Pilot...'Out of an abundance of caution'...THANK YOU!
So what did they hit? I suspect it was cargo shifting :)
lol! no, 1) cargo doesn't just shift. 2) they wouldn't confuse cargo shifting with flying into something hitting them in the front of the plane. These are experienced pilots, if they say they hit something, then they hit something.
@@candydandy2694 It was in fact determined to be a cargo container that shifted 1 foot. It was re-latched and the flight proceeded.
It seems there was a post-inspection report of a bird strike, but no other details.
If it was just a bird, so be it, that happens, nothing anyone can do about it, but if it was found to be a drone, then a jail sentence and repair cost fine is in order in my personal opinion!
Repair cost fine? Hell I could barely afford to repair a side panel on my car at the local Mexican body shop, I don't imagine most people could come close to affording a commercial airliner repair.
At 6:20 I could not understand the controller, if everyone sounded that way I'd think I was having a stroke.
A stroke? You shouldn't be thinking about a caress during such drama.
@@towmlvb3423 LOL
They had fuel for nine hours of flight but didn't have to dump any of it prior to landing??
@@gingerhiser7312 That's the question: Is nine ours worth of fuel not overweight for landing in a 777? It would be on the 747.
to dump fuel over populated areas you really need to be dealing with an obvious failure of something, engine, flights controls etc, which is likely to make it difficult to land safely, which they apparently were not.
@@candydandy2694 Two things:
1) They could be steered away from populated areas for fuel-dump.
2) If you're too heavy to land ("999Heavy") you risk disaster landing without first having shed enough weight.
Why was the aircraft switching between who was dealing with ATC? I thought normally there would be just one pilot doing the comms and one flying the plane?
When you have a problem sometimes it is easier for the pilot flying to operate thr radio because the pilot monitoring who is running the checklist might be involved in complex procedures so some times it may be best not to break the flow of the checklist . It all about managing the flight and not letting any of your colleagues get overloaded.
There were 3 pilots on the flight. Captain, First Officer and an International Relief Officer (IRO). At the pilot flying's descension The IRO in the jump seat may operate the radios. Someone was probably on the Satellite Phone talking with dispatch and/or maintenance control. The workload was extremely heavy during the emergency. retired 777 pilot Newark
@@jimcaufman2328 I thought a plane can not land with all that fuel on board. Or did they dump?
You're really upset that's cool they got you so good.
Lack of rigour & discipline in the cockpit, its an American airline after all.
With all that flying around, they could have gotten there.
They were obviously sideswiped by a dragon. Everyone knows that you can't see dragons unless they want you to. 😺😺
shame there was no photo's of damage & what it was
It's suspicious...Looks like they didn't want us to know what it was.
Yeah, what happened? Any damage to plane?????
The graph was flying at about heading 250 rather than 280 (assuming degrees east of north)
Do they maybe register those heading on magnetic north?
So what did they hit ? cliffhanger ! good video .
A bird hit them right under the front windows.
Follow up ?
A flock of geese can do some serious damage. We’re all waiting for the inspection results
Love how each sector coordinates with each other....NOT!
So that's where my drone went.
Was it a drone or what? Do we know?
Jesus... how many people does this pilot have to talk to... crazy.
It is incredibly dangerous to not have a load secured and locked down. That is what brought down the Boeing 747 Flight 102 after it took off from Bagram, Afghanistan back in 2013.
That one was awful. The crew had a long time facing the certainty of death. I would rather have been hit by a straight-through head shot than just get an artery ruptured.
So that's what happened to ironman.
I hit two Canada geese in a van going 30 mph and the bang on my windshield was loud. I can imagine how much louder it was on a metal plane going 275 mph. The geese I hit were on the shoulder of a rural road in Nevada, and decided to take off to flight just as I aporoached. They were not very experienced flyers? Maybe juveniles.
It may have been a Turret from a T-72. I believe they reach FL 380 or more.
They said they hit at at 8000 though
Pushing Traffic. I used to do that for the Army.
"Abundance of caution" means too much caution. Just say you're concerned the plane might be damaged and you want to get it checked before crossing the ocean. That's not an abundance of caution!
Today I learned that Rosanne Barr is an ATC.
A photo of the damage would be good...
why did they say they hit something, when they never saw anything? hearing a sound does not mean they hit something. Very unprofessional to say we hit something, when there was no evidence of any collision with any outside object. And in fact, no evidence was found that the plane hit something. What she should have said was, "we heard a loud bang, and we want to come back."
Occupational hazard for that poor alien pilot who still had cloaking turned on in his craft 😔 👽
Why did they not communicate that strike immediately so other aircraft can be alerted? Like seriously??
alerted about what? it was a single object, not a flock of birds, and whatever that single object was, no one else needs to be worried about it after a heavy 777 has been through it. 🤦♀
I don’t know anything about these scenarios yet wouldn’t they need to jettison the 9 hrs of fuel before landing ?
No. There was no reason to jettison fuel. Their system check did not indicate any issues and the plane was 100% in flight. If they had lost an engine, damaged a wing, or incurred a perforation of the aircraft fuselage ..that would be an emergency landing and fuel dump.
Only reason to dump fuel is to get below max gross landing weight.
Only time that is likely to be an issue are long/overseas flights.
Otherwise, fuel loads are based on destination, alternates, and time for any delayed to destination.
And majority of that places equipment below max gross landing weight at departure.
(broad brushing. Smaller aircraft, the numbers tighten up)
After landing they discovered a big dent in the aluminum and it had Egyptian symbols stamped into the metal. It said DUCK.
What? "Get your heads down"?? And???
Map out of alignment, north not straight up to follow the heading calls.
Shift happens. Luckily in this case it most likely didn't travel more than a foot.
We are anticipating feedback from some quarters that upon landing FAA officials found what were the remains of a small green man just below the pilots window.
Surprised at ATC, twice he gave his POB and fuel load. Too much chatter when a guy has an emergency.
I had a flight outta Atlanta going to tri cities but planes were lined up due to a bad storm and a few jets pulled out and went back but our pilot flying this prop commuter said we have a small window an proceeded to taxi an as he was rolling lightning struck really close and they circled around and raced the storm all the way a roller coaster ride plus so when we landed it was like a military like landed and the rain was torrential..Ive flown alot thru down drafts up drafts etc but this was one for the books I didn't know if i should shake their hands or throw a rock for such a risky flight..at the time these same commuter planes were crashing frequently as we were to had a jet but low passengers put us on this plane...those pilots were good///
The reason they don't tell you what was hit is that would actually be interesting.
How much time is wasted saying, good evening, have a nice day etc?
how much time? negligible, approximately one or 2 seconds over the course of that entire exchange you muppet.
Could have been a flying saucer?
Yeah! Someone go check in the galley.
HOW MANY MOORE LEFT TURNS THEY GONNA DO??...GOING IN CIRCLES.....
MOORE: Suburban Oklahoma city
MORE: additional
I think they should have said they hit something as soon as possible in case it was a microplane.
United 999 Heavy, would you like fries with that?
Not sure what this plane hit, but Superman was in concussion protocol about that time.
Lol 😂
I've often been in Concussion Protocol. Great place, well worth the visit. But I'll avoid Ruptured Aortal Aneurysm. None of the people who have been there have ever said anything good about it. I'm currently in Chronic Cardiac Arrhythmia, but I will not stay long. I would like to, though, because that's true...
Sounds like they hit an ostrich lol
That's awful high for a bird or a drone 8,000 ft that's about a mile and a quarter give or take
100 ft to 10,000 ft is a typical altitude range with 5,000-6,000 ft being common for migratory birds. The Black Kite may fly at 37,000 ft. Some birds fly at an altitude of 5.5 miles (29,000 ft) migrating over the Himalayas.
With all the weather balloons and now drones flying around plus migrating birds im suprised there arent more bumps in travel.😮
I wonder if the pilot has been vaccinated with the bioweapon
So wtf happened?????? jeeze