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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ธ.ค. 2022
- 12 SEP 2022
A Hawaiian Airlines Airbus A321NEO registration N202HA, performing flight HAL24 from Kahului Airport (PHOG) to Metro Oakland International Airport (KOAK). During initial climb out of Kahului requested return
due to unruly passengers on board.
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As much as I hate flying, if the flight attendants told me we were returning to the airport due to an unruly passenger, I would have to ask, "If I beat him unconscious for you, could we continue on to our destination?"
Life is not that simple
@@davidmoser3535 , I know. If only it was.
Awe, the good ole days!
Love it!!!! Personally I wouldn't have the gonads to do it but I would definitely be cheering the other person on!
Yap, I agree with you, commercial flights are boring as hell. Tight, noisy, dry air, I hate them too... 🤷🏻♂️
Hawaii is a hell of a place to find yourself on the no-fly list
He should be allowed to fly back to mainland but in a special cage all chained up where all of the luggage is at 😂
@@buckskinlady
Can't the luggage compartment most often isn't pressurized.
Lol, true.
@@buckskinlady Thrown in a crate and stored under the plane with the rest of the dogs
Interesting, dogs usually fly next to the luggage too. I guess it’s only certain types of aircraft?
Besides a fine, covering the cost of the jet fuel and going to jail, these folks should be permanently barred from US Airports. Let them figure out on their own how to leave Hawaii. Perhaps they can rent a sailboat.
They are on the no fly list, taking the slow boat home
If these drongos have their details shared with other airlines then it could be a very wide ban. They should get to use to not flying anytime soon. Its days like this when pilots and cabin crew would like a passenger dump shoot.
@@michaelhayden725
That would be illegal. Anyway, I doubt if the Coast Guard will be able to find them. The sea life will have some easy snacks
The miscreants should have to compensate the other passengers for the delay, inconvenience and any expenses related to missed connecting flights. Maybe that will deter any future idiots from acting like buttheads.
@@belmarmom I've told my family repeatedly, one never knows what a person will say or do.
The feds need to start getting righteous with these unruly / drunk passengers❗️ These folks need to be held financially responsible for the cost of wasted jet fuel and hourly aircraft operating maintenance costs. They need to be put on “no fly” lists. All this in addition to any criminal charges they could be charged with. 👈
The no fly list should apply to all airlines not just the one they caused the problem on.
Or just open the door and toss them out...with that much hot air they should float down okay. Then let the plane just go on as it was scheduled to do.
I think the pilots did a great job. Managing the cabin crew, directing action, running multiple checklists to get the aircraft down safely. They are working the same workload of an emergency without being able to declare. Their ATC calls reflect their cockpit workload. Great job on the crew.
Imagine Oakland residents acting like this.
Side note, I can hear the pilot saying, "if you don't shut up and sit down I'll turn this plane around!"
"I'll go all Buster Douglas on you----now SIT!!"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If I have to come back there....
LMAO XD
Is this Keanu Reeves flying the plane?
" Like, ya know, we got some rowdies on board and, yeah, I guess I would like to, I don't know, maybe level off here? Or return, whatever works man. I'm totally OK with it either way, its all good, man. This thing will like, land itself, yah?"
Yeah, brah. Totally uncool dudes rippin' gnarly bong hits and bogarting…
Strange that they have a scale for the level of disturbance but not standard phrases for reporting them.
Yup, that’s how he talks on the phone too.
You gotta swing your head around and look confused
$100,000 dollar fine and permanent no fly on all carriers May limit this nonsense. No accountability and few of any consequences. Needs to be more than a slap on the wrist.
What sort of yahoo gets into a confrontation with the cabin crew moments after take-off?
One who's had a lot to drink and should've been kept off the flight at boarding.
Or entitled shitheads who think because they purchased a ticket they own the plane. I dealt with this type of person on the way to Hawaii once. I caused the plane to pull out of the taxi line because of the verbal barrage of insults from a woman behind me. I felt she should’ve been tossed off the plane but the crew decided to get aloft and move the shithead somewhere else. Oh and the inciting incident was my wife politely reminding the woman to keep her mask on. This was near the end of the first year of the pandemic and everyone was told repeatedly they would have to wear their masks the entire time from the second they stepped into the airport until they were street-side at their destination. But this horror of a human decided she didn’t have to obey the rules.
When the Carnival cruise crowd try to fly this is what happens.
More like basketball americans.
More like basketball americans.
... Ratchet Airlines 🤪
Calm down, friend! My sister and I are both Grandmas and we love Carnival cruises. She suntans, I sit in the shade and cross-stitch while watching the ocean go by. We love our Bingo games, last time she won hundreds of $. Haven't been since c- vid, can't take a chance. Don't lump everyone in the same group, please! There are lots of nice, peaceful, older folks on those cruises! 🙂
- HAL24: Tower, request permission to open the door and kick the little sh*t outta the plane.
- TWR: Permission granted.
😂 yeah, the world would be a much better place
Reminds me of a flight I was on recently where this man (who was probably both drunk and high) made us stand on the taxiway for a good 15 minutes because he refused to sit back down in his seat. He got escorted off the plane by 3 police officers. Some people are ridiculous. I'm scared of flying, and other passengers being dicks does nothing to alleviate my anxiety.
There should be a no fly/ban list where every airline can have access and put pax for being unruly or whatever. Put them in that list for 1-2 years and see if they are gonna behave better afterwards.
TBH such a flight on a 321 would probably drive most people psychotic 😂😂😂
If I'm not mistaken airlines do have lists of problem passengers that they share, not sure if it's automatically enforced with a denial to fly them
1-2 years?! There should be a big red sign at the gate "if you enter the aircraft and you cause trouble resulting in the aircraft having to turn back you will be banned for LIFE."
@@RobTheWatcher 1-2 year for starters depending on your behavior. If you behave like an animal then ban them for life or send them flying in the cargo hold with the baggage
It seems that in the cruise industry, a passenger that is so unruly that he/she is put off the ship is banned for LIFE. The same should be done by the airlines.
Some airlines already have an internal list of passengers who can no longer fly with them for various reasons
Come on young buck pilot speak up and be direct and firm with your communications
Yup. Sure, the "communicate" part comes after "aviate" and "navigate", however the ATC is there to help you, but can only work off of info they have. All he had to say at first was "unruly passenger" and the folks on the ground would have started preparing to help right away
Yup. He sounded like a stoned teenager.
@@creid7537 Thank you Mr TH-cam Perfect, English may be his second language. How is your second language?
@@malahammer It's secondary.
Waiting for the day when a pilot solves a “rowdy” passenger problem by barrel rolling the plane. Give three commands to sit down and buckle up, then tumble dry anyone still trying to start something.
A reenactment with footage of people would have made this more interesting.
The Powers to Be need to Settle this Nonsense Once and for ALL. Fines should be Hefty💰 and Passengers Blackballed and Never to Fly Again. That Simple.🤪👎
With a federal govt which currently favors the lawless over the law-abiding, I think we're going to have to wait a couple more years before any changes have a chance to take place.
That would be racist lol
@@Hazwaste63 surprise! No need to wait. Fines and no-fly lists have been around for years.
Pilots sound chill
It’s their traing, just like medical,fire fighters,police.
2 PASSENGERS GOT INTO A TANGLE THEY SEPERATED THEM AND FLEW BACK....I USE TO LOVE TO TRAVEL BUT NOW ITS TOO CRAZY PLUS COVID ITS STRESSFUL NOT FUN RELAXING
Heck...all the BS you have to get through before you even get to the gate is enough to keep me from flying!
Tell us the destination doesn't matter without telling us the destination doesn't matter...
Long boat ride home? Let's hope so.
Long, leaky boat ride home.
Longboat? Are they Vikings now? :)
There’s always that one goddamn person that ruins everything.
I am ashamed to live in the same country as people such as this.
So what happened to unruly passengers?
Turn the bus around and go back to the school. Lol That sounded like a planned takeover by the passengers.
Is that like mom and dad saying: "Don't make pull this car over!"?🤣🤣
@@jnelsoninjax that and we used “SIT ON YOUR HANDS!”….the wife and I look at each other like..😳😳It WORKED!🤣
Based on the title: Get him out and let him pay everything: the delay, the additional fuel burned, the costs for landing and taking off from an international airport ... dude is done!
How about checking for drugs and alcohol as part of the screening, and maintaining a no fly list for everyone who has ever created a disturbance in the air? There should be a straight jacket and gags to keep such persons in their seats and quiet. Automatic jail time needs to be served by people who can’t behave themselves. How about a brig in the pressurized cargo compartment?
I flew Spirit once. The interesting events started at the check-in counter as the walking stereotypes of ghetto fashion were arguing loudly the bag size limits, and continued on the flight with them trying to complain loudly enough to get the food and beverages for free. Wonder if Hawaiian has the same customer base?
When airline tickets sell for the price of a bus ride, you're gonna get the 'bus crowd'
A definite no. I fly Hawaiian and work at LAX. Spirit is a world unto itself.
@@jimandmandy thanks for that. I flew for Pan Am and United. Rarely saw this stuff. The agents didn't take crap, or had a very low b.s. tolerance. Thank God.
The rule of thumb is, if they behave badly at boarding, it will escalate on the plane. Of course, not always, but it is an indicator.
Very interesting terminology. stereotypes of ghetto fashion. Explain customer base for me please.
Maybe they just realised they were going to Oakland.
Any Aussies here? I'm going out on a limb here but this crap doesn't happen much - if at all - in and out of my country. I think Australians are well aware that air travel is vital for us both around and out of our country. Just guessing here but if one of us started attacking an airline staff member you can bet the entire plane would smash the unruly passenger/s into their next lifetime with no need to turn the plane around or any of it. Nobody acts like this here, I believe. Worst I've had is one useless drunk puke into a bag next to me during take-off. It was disgusting and dude remained shamed and silent for the rest of the trip. Fly on, Aussies.
"separated the flight attendants out?" I'm confused.
Yeah. His statement makes little sense. He wasn't speaking clearly at all.
I think the flight attendants separated the two verbal combatants as they looked to get into a fight.
There needs to be either ejector seat for 'special' passengers. Granted your over the ocean, what a pain to go looking so maybe give the seat a long cable and just tow it behind like a kite. Right before landing, winch/wench 🤔 crank him in closer so he doesn't tangle anyone but still let him get a little road rash, a little bump or two on his, let him bounce and drag. Put it on the news as a deterrent.
Why ban them from just one airline? They need total flight ban ~ no second chances.
I was on a bus out of Houston where the driver stopped and kicked a lady of out in the country , early july ( texas heat ). Very effective .
That FO is not very proficient on the radio. Hard to believe he holds an ATP certification
I thought the samething. I get he might have a lot going on, but he seemed struggling to even get the basic read backs correct. He sounds like I sounded and felt as a student pilot flying into controlled space for the first time.
He had to repeat himself several times. Unclear for sure. Eh Brah…speak english
Amazing!
They should have charged the passenger for the fuel they used for turning back
Someone needs to invent in-flight seat restraints! I hope it can be done. In my mind I can see the Marshal sitting on this guy and then the tape comes out!
I AGEE!
They have it. I'm sure the passengers were restrained while they got back in to land.
Then they would also need a TASER gun.
These people need to be on a blanket no fly list as in never again step foot on a plane
I'm a little surprised the pilots didn't tell the ATC what was going on straight away or at least a little earlier
Terrible ATC communication by the pilots. They sound like student pilots……
They’re focused on flying the airplane man. They told ATC what was going on, and returned to the field. I don’t really see the issue.
@@B777Skipper have you ever tried to have a conversation with the crew, ATC and do the checklists for an unexpected return - that's pretty high workload.
@@pauljohnson4590 High workload? Come on; how difficult is it to talk. Don't try to make these guys the hero they are not.
@@waynec9444 have you ever flown an airplane? This is a very high workload time, especially for part 121 aircraft flying IFR. No one is saying they’re heroes, but there is no question that they’ve got a LOT to do in that time period. For starters the pilots themselves don’t know what’s going on, so ATC is asking for information they don’t have; additionally, they need to expediently return to the airport which involves running multiple checklists and briefing the approach, all while flying a very complex aircraft…
if someone would have told me as a young man in the mid-fifties that I would see what is going on today in society I would have called them a liar, society has regressed at a very rapid rate in America
I agree, its pathetic, and it is everywhere, no manners, uneducated, ignorant and badly kept, it seems bottom feeders are the norm today,,,,but they all are glued to their phones !!!!!!
You just need to learn how to celebrate diversity
It's not just America. Look around.
@@manbtm1Phone's aren't a problem. People used to be glued to newspapers and magazines on planes. You can read both on a phone. You can check work emails. You can compose documents. It's a multimedia tool.
There was a time when these type of issues were rare. Now, not so much.. So many mental issues within society, etc, etc.. Also, back in the day, there was a higher standard expected of passengers when flying.. Wearing shorts and flip flops was a no no.. Airline travel these days is not much better than taking the Greyhound bus..
Yes I agree.. those shorts and flip flops are ruining society..
@comrade, nothing wrong with shorts and flip flops.
@@NeatoUnused Yes, indeed! That is for the shrinking civilized society in the U.S.
Still no reason to act out and inconvenience other passengers.
Some people just shouldn't fly.
I have had many a Washington DC big wig act out on the plane wearing custom made suits. It's not the shorts and flip-flops necessarily, it's the behavior.
Wait, they have levels to passenger disturbance? How the hell is a disturbance bad enough to turn the plane around only a level 1? What’s higher than that? Actively attacking people?
A lot of people bashing on the pilot’s communication here, but it sounded to me like he was just a bit uncertain about how to assess the situation in terms of communicating it with atc. It seems like the rowdies had been settled and the pilots were directed to return and have them removed at the gate, which isn’t an emergency, or even a pan-pan IMO, and didn’t merit disruption of other traffic beyond slotting them into the approach que.
Question-when a passenger causes a plane to turn around are they responsible for cost of gasoline, pilots time etc.? I know they get fined but it just seems it should include these other costs
No, cause planes don't run on gasoline - Jet-A (aka kerosene - slightly more refined diesel)
SEND HIM ON CRUISE ONLY TO GET HOME
If you don't start behaving I WILL turn this plane around and you WON'T get any ice cream.
I have flown all my life. It's so simple, sit down in assigned seat and shut up for the rest of the flight. I go to the bar like everyone else, but it doesn't turn me into an asshole. Booze just makes me quiet and want to sleep.
Me, Ralph and a roll of duct tape. We got ya covered!
Oakland say no more.
Hahahaha, I thought the same.
Das waysist!!
Common issue these days often due to pax spending too much time at the bar before boarding. Airports should thus be alcohol free zones (and planes?) and a substantial compensation should be automatically granted to passengers suffering extended delays due to these unruly freaks.
Or double the price of those drinks so the "bus crowd" or "low hanging fruit", as the potential troublemakers are referred to in some of the comments, cannot afford to buy them.
They weren’t raised right.
I think at least one should have to show boarding pass at the bar and there should be a limit of like 2 drinks 3 Max. I know from working as a bar attendant that it takes an hour for 1 standard drink to be broken down by the liver.
I could see that backfiring as a lot of airports have liquor stores in them. Strict limits and/or high prices will just drive these people to purchase alcohol that way and then drink a whole bottle in bathrooms. Which is even worse.
They should just put the guy in the cargo hold!
Or throw him off of the plane
Why do some adults turn into naughty, belligerent children on airplanes? Just sit in your seat, shut up and do what the cabin crew tells you to do! How hard is that?
Start adding a term to the ticket language of being an A-Hole who needs to return around the plane…an automatic bill.
No fun if there's no video footage of what passenger did
The laws should be stricter for nutcases on planes
They SHOULD also charge the POS' for the fuel that was wasted.
Singular or plural? Do people even know the difference anymore?
Last flight I was on, the Flight Attendant was aggressive. They were on a power kick or something.
Yeh they have a high opinion of themselves. It’s ridiculous just power tripping
There was a lot of that during masking.
They are dealing with horrible human behavior, cant blame them, half of the people refuse to listen to rules, they figure they are above rules..pathetic.,
@@manbtm1 rubbish I’ve flown many times. Most people are very polite. The flight attendants think they are important. This is garbage. If the plane came down what can they do. Nothing obviously
@@patkelly6349 ,try flights from florida often, not good, I also fly weekly, I agree many people are very nice but there are many whose behavior is horrible.I have two good friends who are both very experienced attendants for Delta, over 15 years experience each as well as my neighbor who is a passenger pilot, They both said the last several years are the worst they have ever experienced, they are very tired of giving instructions and people refusing to co operate, often very confrontational and refusing, when asked a second time, sworn at constantly, they are worn out and the level of people who are unclean off the charts.
The airlines should charge whoever causes a flight to have to turn around. Make them pay for the expense. All the other passengers who miss connecting flight and pick ups, etc should be able to sue for compensation. Such a waste of fuel, time and throwing off the schedule. Of course passengers who have a medical emergency is excepted.
Whoever is on the radios on the flight deck, needs to get with the program. More information, more clarity is needed. Nature of emergency, level of response needed etc.
As the pilot said on two occasions this was not an emergency situation, simply a return to the departure airport. There was no obligation to share details & reasons. The pilots made arrangements with company to have security meet the aircraft at the gate and escort the miscreants into the terminal for their appointment with destiny. The blundering controller inserted himself into a situation that was already controlled.
They had apparently told their own airline security
Hope the cops were waiting. Finrd for behaviour, time wages and fuel billed too.
WOW😮 unbelievable that happened in2022.
Unfortunately very believable today
Was it about passengers or flight attendants?
The passengers, the FA"s only have a dustup once a year.
It was confusing because at one point the pilot said they had to "separated the flight attendants out" but i think that was an error.
I guess the flight attendants drunk all the little drinks on board and got uncomfortable, noisy, indecent and offensive.
So they had to replaced with fresh and sober flight attendants... 😆
@@ScottDLR it’s a common tactic if one fa is having an issue with a pax in the front of the plane they’ll swap with another fa in the back hoping to de-escalate the situation
Rowdy flight attendants are fun!
Pilot sounds stoned. Did he say the FAs were fighting?
Erm, passengers that threaten the safety of the flight ARE an emergency. Otherwise there is no reason for ATC to cater to your requests.
Read the FAR’s
With a crowbar ❤😂
🤣🤣
The pilots communication skills are awful. Utterly confusing in describing what was going on in the aircraft. Hope the airline pulls him aside for a brief discussion.
I wish the disturbing passengers could be fined the thousands of dollars their behavior cost every one!
need to charge them for the gas.
A video of conversation between pilot and air tower? What a waste.
Why can't they just behave?
Many years ago, I saw a flight attendant get unexpectedly aggressive to a passenger sitting next to me. I was shocked and the behavior was absolutely uncalled for. Most people will tolerate that, but some won't. Since the airlines are capable of controlling the conversation of what happens on their aircraft in the media, I wonder if every account we hear about is also honest story.
Maybe you were having an out of body experience?😊
If you cant control yourself when somebody is rude or unfriendly towards you, you really shouldnt board a plane (or drive a car, a boat, whatever). Assuming they are not a small child anymore, I'd suggest therapy.
Airports shouldn't serve alcohol!
Riveting.
I think it should have been a declared emergency……if you are having to return to the airport due to actual or possible physical confrontations onboard the aircraft, then you have an emergency…….also, when the perpetrators find out they will soon be meeting law enforcement, things could escalate before you get on the ground, and you need to be in a declared emergency to get on the ground as soon as possible….the pilot/communicator here needs to develop some command presence.
You’re definitely not a pilot.
@@waynehobson2956 I was just gonna make that comment. lol
@@waynehobson2956 Why would you say that? The Captain is relying on the Cabin crew for information. The correct call is Pan-pan, stating the nature of the non life threatening emergency and a request for assistance if a deviation from a clearance limit is wanted. Then there would be no need for the time wasting interrogation by ATC. Mayday mayday mayday, nature of the life threatening emergency and intention. Communicators are vastly better than when these conventions were taught but I believe that they are still valid.
@@reginaldgraves1684 You're correct, but American pilots and ATC won't follow ICAO standard phraseology when in the US. It would certainly make communications clearer if everyone did.
@@waynehobson2956 You're definitely an ass. Anywhere but the US this would be a PAN call.
🍌🛬💖
STOP serving Alcohol in terminals and on planes. Those ppl who cannot handle their beverage consumption just spoil it for everyone else.
Sounds like a few of those "Alpha Males" you hear so much about.
As bad as this sounds, I believe the correction for this would be to hike the prices up. I remember when I use to pay $2,000+ for a ticket domestically and $6,000+ for international trips. That could solve a bunch of issues. It could allow the airlines to return flying back to a comfortable, luxurious experience and it would weed out a lot of the low hanging fruit flying today. Of course there’s always a select few but, back in the 90’s I never remember sitting next to 350 pound hippos that hadn’t showered for a week and looked like they just climbed out of the dumpster.
Wow…not all people who can’t afford a $2000 ticket for a domestic flight are the kind of trash you just described. Good lord.
What year, what route, and on what domestic airline did you ever pay over $2000 for a ticket and over $6000 for an international flight?
Pretty judgemental in my opinion...
So then don't say it.
There already is a "correction" for snobs who do not like to mingle with the plebs. It is called flying "first-class". And if you cannot afford a first-class ticket, maybe you have more in common with the bourgeoisie that you realize.
If you run a cattle car then you will get animals. Low cost is low class.
Hawaiian Airlines isn’t low cost is it ??
@@rc70ys No it's not, this guy is talking out of his ass
@@rc70ys not really
Hawaiian is one of the better airlines in the US. They haven't completely recovered from Covid but they were the top airline for no flight delays, and cancellations. Southwest airline is much worse than Hawaiia
@@drmayeda1930 yeah they are pretty decent, def not a budget airline
I haven’t seen the whole vid yet… but I saw they were going to Oakland and that explains EVERYTHING… (if the person was from Oakland). The city went completely woke and the majority of the people living there think they can do anything they want!
Apologies to anyone from Oakland that follows the law and doesn’t act like an A-hole like the majority of them.
How many negative stereotypes can I slap onto your comments, Pam?? 😂😂
Now, now, here we go with the Fox/ DeSantis/ Trump/ Carlson obsession with “ woke”, its like a new obsessive toy word, they use,, now yes, that behavior is bad, it needs to be dealt with, but you have bad players on both side with the far right nutjobs, and Jan.6ers…. Btw, the opposite of woke ..is asleep…..not a good look either, think about it.
Oh my, he didn't kiss the skyhag's backside. Half these problems are caused by the glorified waitresses who behave like prison guards.
someone sounds bitter!
@@slappymcgillicuddy7532 No, I've flown and seen their ridiculous behavior.
Hmmm. Were you, by chance, on this flight?
Skyhag? Flight attendants are here to save your happy ass, not to kiss it. Grow up.
@@sarahalbers5555 Nonsense skyhag I live in Asia and I'm used to being treated like a customer. Your attitude stinks you must work for United. I can find the exit without help, Just put vending machines in the back of the plane.
Terrible pilot response. ATC don't know if you are hijacked, have an emergency or what! Just a poor communication from a poor pilot!
There needs to be an AIR MARSHAL on every flight to handle things like that... and take control of those fools.... IF I'd been aboard--I'd have done it for them.. OFFERED first- then taken control of the fool and shut them up til the end of flight. (and I'm one that can EASILY do it- no matter who they are)..
I agree with the air marshal for every plane, cause the entitled people are getting more and more idiotic. It sounded like he said the hostess and the passenger had to be broken up as they were fighting.