Mike D & Coop Discuss The Possibility That The Notorious B.I.G’s Song “Juicy” Was Stolen
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Yes this is true, I was his original rap partner that formed the group THE C.A.L…..I was next to him when he came up with the name NOTORIOUS B1. I put that on everything I love. One of his lines in a song years Ago…this is a masterpiece weak niggas never heard of this..notorious B1 the psycho murderist … dude had lyrics.. I know his name and style was stolen. I witnessed it..
I don't see lyrics nor flow being copied but I do see a song idea being stolen
@@BreakdaBossif you don't hear lyrics & flow being stolen you don't know music.. Cant just blame puffy faggot as biggie knew he was biting the real notorious that's why he wrote the from mississippi down to the east coast line
I was a part of the Mississippi Dough Boy Project. at that time Big Poppa or Notorious BIG was calling himself Biggie Smalls. Check his first records. I knew when juicy came out. I told Tiger/Notorious B1 that dude stole your name track idea and flow bro. He was like man I'm flattered ....its all good. I'm like no man you need to address this because he is blowing up and getting paid. Ive been screaming this for years. at the time no one wanted to believe or even hear it. If Tiger gets paid for his album I need to get paid too. I got a track that appears 3 times on the Mississippi Dough Boyz record and never got recognition on the album. FACTS🤔✌
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I know I'm late to this topic, but since this is coming to light, have you guys ever addressed rap music originating in the South.
*Just look up the Jubalaires' song "Noah".*
They're literally flowing like the Sugar Hill Gang. Blew my mind being that they were doing this in the 1940's and 50's, and it's coming out of the South, and the Church.
I imagine that the music followed us after migrating from the South to the Midwest/North East after the depression.
I believe some of their songs even charted on Billboard. Either way, this would be an interesting topic to discuss.
@@According2HipHop I'm NotoriousB1 Brudda U Have Direct Contact To Him
your not getting paid either way its not your music its all samples
@@bb-gc2tx They Stole His Name As Well NotoriousB1 aka Big Daddy
Love the video bro.. I don't know for sure if Puff stole this song's beat and concept and gave it to Big or they never heard this song and it's just a coincidence. The issue I have is that Big had to go by Notorious B.I.G. starting in 1992. It was featured on Mary J Blige album as Notorious B.I.G a year before this song came out.
All badboy did was steal other people's sh!t.
Coop is super important moments such like this 19:19-19:30 show how vital he is.
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Nothing works the way we think it does
I understand him not speaking on it because Christopher has passed away & he wants to respect BUT I still think he has every right to speak his truth. I hope that he changes his mind I would love to see an interview of him.
They did say biggie hated performing juicy at shows!
it had to be a guilty conscience. I think puff stole it and forced it on BIG
Big daddy/big poppa, stole his name and swag, his biggest song ever was stolen, this is very problematic
Biggie had already used Big Poppa before Life After Death came out.
He even used it on the Super Cat Dolly My Baby remix.
his biggest song is juicy, thats why Pac said Biggie is not a Poppa, Pac is the truth
@@ducatarina
Biggie's biggest song is not Juicy. That song didn't even get his pop going. The song that actual pushed his career was One More Chance the remix and Big Poppa.
@@BTman58 No, Juicy is his anthem that's a fact dude, Big Poppa is better, but Not bigger
@@ducatarina
Big Poppa and One More Chance both chartered higher. Those two records busted his career. That's a fact.
Juicy is his debute sound, so of course it's a special song, but Big Poppa became his image.
You see how they killed Tim Bigelow the white rapper who called himself Biggie Smallz back then. Because Biggie from New York, could not use the name. Copyright... So Biggie had to use his name. It's sad that we kill each other over a piece of paper. So now it's time to rise. Hip-hop is being destroyed from within by the same people who are puppets to the puppeteer. We have a chance to save Hip-hop out of the ashes of rock and roll. We are our own enemy divided. But together as one, we are strong... Blood money will never win. Contact law is the key here. They will sit back and watch us kill each other over the spelling words cast on paper. Money is not power it's a tool or spell used to make the people move. You are the "power" supply. Now Rise !
21:15- 21:55 "you and i would have said yes too" - so true.
Gimme da loot is my favorite song on Ready 2 die
HE STOLE IT!! POINT BLANK
The more I think about it the More Biggie is in the clear and especially for taking the name....First, he was on unsigned hype in March 92 with the name Notorious BIG as the headline. He also had the freestyle battle in BK when he's calling himself B.I.G. he already had songs out with the name before juicy. Now I do think Puff heard the song and flipped it for Big. But no way did he steal the name lol
Superchat this
@@SageTrader007 frfr
@2Pac Was The Original Cheddar Bob exactly
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Y’all over here harping about the name and sample. What about the flow an cadence ? Shit sounds like a reference track for BIG. And I’m sorry but “from the Mississippi down to the east coast” can’t just be a coincidence
New edition did the same thing with Mr telephone man that came out a year before them
Sean John Combs👹
For the record: No rapper (dead or alive) owns the name or the rights to the name "Biggie Smalls". The name comes from the film "Let's Do it Again" starring Sidney Poitier and Bill Cosby in 1975. Actor Calvin Lockhart played the character "Biggie Smalls" in the film. The film was financed through Sidney Poitier's First Artist film company.
Was waiting for someone to say this. Thank you!
But Big himself said he was sued and could no longer call himself Biggie Smalls.. so someone must have the rights to the name🤷🏾♂️
We all know Big was Biggie Smalls at first. Then for him to drop that from Mississippi to the east coast line on the same song. He pretty much telling us
he stole the guy
Wow, great spot. That line is the icing on the cake
He stole that from a white rapper. Biggie is a joke.
He was talking about the river as in the Mississippi River.. which also known as "THE MISSISSIPPI"... the line was referring to women he has in between the Mississippi river and the east coast a states.
@DocHeisman na he got the name from a white rapper named biggie smallz
Did you guys ever interview notorious big1??
They say biggie got his style from MC Thick, RIP, an emcee out of New Orleans West Bank area who got gunned down in 96. Biggie was watching him and wanted to be like him, he saw a big homie from the streets doing it, he emulated his whole style. No doubt big was bumping his album daily. Puff most definitely got this concept from the Mississippi emcee. And the name. Nas even said it in his god son album. “Big will do the same thing” steal your style lol.
NY robbing the South
Where from Marrero
don’t sound nothing like that dude
Big was using notorious before he even met puff
When we going to get a Coast Contra album review
This got to put a estrich on Notorious B.i.g
That Wayne lights out was a slept on album had more than a few bangers
Definitely
all u ninja better move out, here I come with my click and my tools out. Lights out was my ish when I was getting it.
Big was going by the name notorious B.I.G in 92
The Notorious B1 is the ORIGINAL. Puffy obviously had Biggie COPY from The Notorious B1
Remember Pac started the double album trend when he dropped the greatest hip hop album of all time All Eyes on Me in ‘96
Commercial album, not even Pac’s best album and definitely not better than Illmatic.
What would've substantiated Notorious B1 & his production team on this whole issue is as lawsuit! My question is why didn't he sue Puffy & his Bad Boys record label? 🤷🏾♂️
Just Ice, mantronix, true old school
Wayne took it to the next level
Where is he at now, tho… Everyone keep saying they know him this & that, but cnt say where he’s at?? 🤔🤷🏽♀️
I believe Big was heavily influenced by him style-wise but did not straight up steal his persona. Puff stole the song from this lesser known artist, and Big was happy to go along with
Wayne did not put cashmoney on his back! B.G did! B.G...B.G...B.G!!
Nah bg was just a real nicca but Wayne carried cm like pac did death row
@@cassandraclark5499 yeah AFTER the longevity of B.G which led to the deal, then BAM Juveniles 400 Degreez took the world by storm. Waynes lyrics did mature tho after all of this and he was able to maintain cashmoneys rain. But far as CASH MONEY goes...like Suge and Pac like Puff and Big, Baby and B.G. trying to clock 6 figs!!
@@hellyea939 show ya right 👍🏽
Lil wayne loves kissing drake
Well, Im Mike D and i get respect! your cash and you're jewelry is what i expect.
And B1 sounds like Eazy E in that song 😆
Facx i said the dame ishh.. This whole ishh Cap
Pac Bern said big bitter
Drake learnt it from the greats. Y'all just don't know
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THAT'S QAZY WITH A CAPITAL Q!
B.G. & Juve maid cash money!!!!
Made! Autospell!!!
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The Puff and Biggie STOLE THE SONG AND B1'S STYLE- THERE IS NO WAY AROUND IT!
G thing is one of the best songs of all time
In Juicy, B.I.G. literally says, "From the Mississippi down to the East Coast" 🤔
Next time ask ppl from Mississippi who Are in the rap game with a platform also bro I’m here ,,in Mississippi ask the home team
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I know I'm late to this topic, but since this is coming to light, have you guys ever addressed rap music originating in the South.
*Just look up the Jubalaires' song "Noah".*
They're literally flowing like the Sugar Hill Gang. Blew my mind being that they were doing this in the 1940's and 50's, and it's coming out of the South, and the Church.
I imagine that the music followed us after migrating from the South to the Midwest/North East after the depression.
I believe some of their songs even charted on Billboard. Either way, this would be an interesting topic to discuss.
As a 90s teenager I feeled a bit robbed.
But this story is "Juicy" 😂. Watch that comment be copied just like Puff did 😂
Y'all should ask Fulle Love what he thinks lol...
People need to stop saying he stole his song! The song was all Biggy. They used the same song to sample from. That’s like saying notorious b1 owns the song juicy fruit. Big had to change his name already so why go steal another name? And puffy didn’t give Biggy his name anyway.
You don't get it
I'm sure there was a version of victory going around before puffs 1🤔
Are u from NY
@@denverfurcron2922 nah U.K.
@@denverfurcron2922 i remember hearing it on a and1 video
say it ain’t so Coop, say it ain’t so. i just listened to the original record. this is disappointing
If I recall big L had a problem with biggie biting
What does Wayne have to so with Juicy? Click bait... Skipping...
We got to keep in mind big and puffy had issues from with rappers from New York I make a bet somebody knew about this and stayed silent just in case they had an issue with big and puff.
great discussion y'all. Crazy how people have been dying around Puff even before Biggie. I think what you theorised happened though as P Diddy and Bad Boy admit to Biggie not feeling the Juicy beat and doing it reluctantly, this is also shown in the Notorious movie they made.
It is likely that P Diddy got Notorious B1's Big Daddy tape and had the idea for doing a single like it, as far as Pete Rock goes maybe it went like you theorised and P Diddy and Biggie went to see Pete Rock to do the mix and he was playing his own mix of it at the time and they took it as a sign to do Juicy or what may have happened was that they heard it after they did the Juicy track. Or perhaps Puff had the tape of B1's then went to see Pete Rock and then that gave him reaffirmation to do it. I think its difficult to pin point where exactly Pete Rock's claim fits into the proposed timeline but I do believe that as one of the most influential DJs of New York he definitely made his own mix of Mtume's Juicy Fruit.
It was easy to steal from someone back than their was no internet well should I say social media
The most blatant thing is that name change…Damn Biggie
Biggie changed from Big Smalls because someone had already copied the name from the movie Lets Do It Again. So he had to come up with another name.
Zeke Simmons album Vibe Check is a dope album. Yall should check it out
No one knew Wayne was next after bling bling stop it
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thats the song that blasted him on the map fuk is u talkin about???? After that song dropped he immediately dropped The Block is Hot album like 2 months later bruh u Od"ing 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@handeezyspeakseasy398 It’s what made him main stream sure but Wayne had several stages of his career and no one thought he was gonna have a run as best rapper alive in 1999. That wasn’t till 2004 and really 06-07.
@@tony4534 heck yea we knew cuz we were bumpin the Squad up mixtapes back then and all the homies was saying wayne was the best on the mixtape!!!! And that was 1999!!!
@@handeezyspeakseasy398 You were in the minority then but I’ll give you that. But still my point stands that it wasn’t cause of bling bling.
Wayne is trash in every aspect, this shit bling bling is horrible
If puff can do his own artist dirty would this be a surprise to any one?
It's over! Biggie is no longer my second favorite anymore. You don't step on people at the bottom when you used to be at the bottom trying to make it to the top. It was all a dream.
I feel the same way. I just found this out & feel like some of my teens years are ruined because of finding out this whole hip- hop industry seems to be a lot of lies & secrets going on
Philadelphia is in the building puffy got the name Junior Mafia from JBM out of Philadelphia the notorious drug gang whose members are all in prison now and some are getting out..
Nas gots music with D-Marley a few song,
I don’t think biggie stole it himself .. i’m sure diddy stole it as he does all the songs and told biggie to do it… still I respect biggie… RIP to brooklyns finest…. i also like notorious b1 version too! Credit both ways… but biggie still legendary in BK
VinnyDaWriter The Person To Talk To If You Tryna Reach NotoriousB1 Aka Mississippi Tiger
So he's still alive?? Notorious B1?
You mean if they don’t sign Gillie from North Philly
😲 shocking 😮
Lost a lot respect for BIG now cause he knew, He said Mississippi to east coast in the f ing song, Thief , give the dude his props.
He was talking about the river as in the Mississippi River.. which also known as "THE MISSISSIPPI"... the line was referring to women he has in between the Mississippi river and the east coast a states.
C gutta Biggie home boy lived in lived in Mississippi then came back to brooklyn
It wouldn't have had to be Pac. Snoop woulda blasted, as well. Kurupt. All those dudes.
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Big Daddy then Big Poppa 🤔
Carter 1 is better then 2.
Probably why B.I.G. was gonna leave BadBoy. So how did Biggie pass away?
Yk what happened
You get the song (it's more then a crime)get a copy of it. salt mind studio mesa,az artist DC and money group it DC 's solo song 1994 you get that copy you have a break through story.
I don't think yall will bring it to light big,new York artists.
The song (juicy) was brought to Christ by supposedly Combs . Look at the ( movie)Christ did not want to do it at first
Nah Biggie didn’t stole his flow. Likely the guy stole his flows. Listen to Biggie on his 89 shit.
Craig mack brought bad boy to the forefront
It was all a dream ?
When you tune in for biggie then it goes to Wayne. I'm out
This is 100% true. I was personally there when he recorded Mississippi Dough Boyz...dont be salty when your idol turns out a fake. I been knowing Biggie was a biter for years
You get paid to say that 😂😂😂
@Perry Pecoul I agree with you
Brother snake is the culprit here as biggie didn’t want to do juicy, but the name change is definitely jacking.
How come he did it then?!? He had to have heard the demo and just added his own lyrics and they speed it up a little. Originality back then was huge for rap artist. You might use a sample, but not the same flow and cadence from another rapper😐
Did Gucci dissin the dead video steal th-cam.com/video/UdLLL-n4gaY/w-d-xo.html 2.5yrs later??
i think it's a reach. biggie already had the "notorious b.i.g." name in 92 when he was in the source' unsigned hype column. they did not need to dig deep in the crates to find the sample, and the flip was very straight forward. and the concept of the song wasnt really original when biggie or B1 did it. it's just a rags to riches story. i think it's a coincidence
The flow tho, you can't deny that. Also in 92 the song by Notorious B1 could already have been made and distributed to labels but wasn't released till 93
@@davidarreguin6339
Notrious B1 is not the first rapper to use the Juicy beat and he isn't the only person to use a similar cadence on that beat. They are all flowing to the beat structure.
I am wondering if they took other ish too. I can't find any of the other songs from Mississippi Doughboys, like they are scrubbed from the internet.
@@msfergie5851 look up "same old same" by them then listen to biggie "things done changed" look at the titles then listen to the concept n flow of the song bet it blow your mind brah
Missipi line
People acting like they actually took something lol. If this was true we would have been known about this. Y’all don’t realize how hard it is to create something that hasn’t been created already. How can a dude in New York City know what some off brand dude from Mississippi is doing?
You just dumb
He found out you goffy mf
This is all cap. Pete Rock made the original Juicy track with Biggie. Puff took Biggie’s vocals and hired Tone & Poke from the Trackmasters and did the beat over. This is old news and been on TH-cam for years. Here is Pete Rock telling the story and playing the original track he produced with Biggie on it.
th-cam.com/video/bnUgNP5VmNU/w-d-xo.html
And the plot thickens. How many thieves are in the music business…
That’s not a original beat
Wtf??? Alliance - Goin Digital was my shit! And they stole that. Everything is a lie 😮💨😮💨😮💨
Bad Boys stealing and shit.... 2pac claim Biggie stole his style, now we got Biggie stealing other name, and music he was okay to be on..... question is, when was the Notorious Bigg 1 first called that... we need exact date...
Pac said Biggie is not a poppa, I gave him his first shows
Could this be a psyop to discredit old school rappers.
Elvis did it and no one blinks a eye.
Everyone blinks an eye I always see mainly black people giving Elvis shit even though he gave credit
@@lilfridge5652 , you crazy Elvis stole everything from the black man. He even said a black man can’t do nothing for me but shine my shoes.
@@knowledgesuncere7786 lol your comment became redundant as soon as you said that common myth that elvis said "all a black man is good for is buying my records and shining my shoes" stop repeating that myth it's bs, he never said that search it up. Also what did elvis steal from the black man? I've seen interviews ans videos where he was always praising black people and how much admiration he had for them, and how much he respects them
@@lilfridge5652 , okay
@@lilfridge5652 , never argue with a fool because from a distance people don’t know who’s who, GFOH
Bro @ 1:47- 2:10 record labels do this a common practice in the industry to take the lesser artist tracks, ideas, and content , how does self Know ? Nas took my shit, gotta song called Cherry Vodka in 2011 and Nas gotta song called Cherry Wine on his Life is good 2012 album actual proven facts
You got a link to the song?
Shark biter nothing special
Nas’ I Gave You Power most likely came from Organized Konfusion’s Stray Bullet.. rappers steal all the time
Being inspired by something is a big difference from straight ripping something without citation. Nas pushed the envelop on 'I gave you power' and from what I recall has discussed his original source of inspiration. No different from Pac who cited the aforementioned Nas record as inspiration for his record "Me and my girlfriend."
Fakest ever biter
Biggie stole everything about dude his name image beat flow.
B1 was a better rapper than Biggie
Puffy wanted Bad boy to be like Death row this guy sound West coast was called Biggie ,was fat i Guess why he was so enthusiastic about ''juicy''
This is like finding out santa ain't real...very disappointing but that's the industry, I bet Jay has done shit like this countless times too.
You wont catch Em doing this bullshit tho just saying....
dont change the fact biggie was a dope lyricist
Em stole his entire "Slim Shady" flow from Masta Ace... 😂😂😂. He's even admitted this.
*You stand corrected.*
Em got bullied by the game. And the Eminem mafia is downplaying games diss but yet does not respond