How I Escaped Life In An International Cult | Extraordinary Lives Podcast |
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- Natacha Tormey tells us about her life growing up inside 'The Children of God' cult (now known under the name ‘The Family International’).
She explains how she was sexually abused, made to live in a compound with strict rules, and taught to fear the outside world.
Warning: this episode contains content you may find distressing.
This is an episode of Extraordinary Lives, where we speak to people with a unique life story to tell. From a North Korea escapee to an undercover cop, a Cold War spy to a shipwreck survivor. Hosted by LADbible's Ben-Powell Jones, this series is a window into remarkable experiences - with stories that paint a picture of extraordinary lives.
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 - 00:01:36 Introduction
00:01:36 - 00:05:46 Who was David Berg?
00:05:46 - 00:11:27 Early memories of the cult
00:11:27 - 00:14:48 What was the cult’s purpose?
00:14:48 - 00:17:37 Cult’s international base
00:17:37 - 00:25:42 What is flirty fishing?
00:25:42 - 00:27:50 Why do people join?
00:27:50 - 00:38:40 Abuse in the cult
00:38:40 - 00:43:25 Daily life inside the cult
00:43:25 - 00:49:07 Did you meet David Berg?
00:49:07 - 00:53:24 Punishment in the cult
00:53:24 - 01:00:10 Berg’s lifestyle
01:00:10 - 01:09:21 Leaving the cult
01:09:21 - 01:12:55 Fighting for justice
01:12:55 - 01:18:17 Can anyone end up in a cult?
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WHO IS THE OWNER OF THIS "LADbible"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?
all religions are CULTS!!! that's why religions (cults) are DEAD! because they are all about DOGMA without any SCIENCE! Just witches, warlocks and psychos!
GOOD PEOPLE are NOT PSYCHOS!!! That's why GOOD PEOPLE are not into CULTS (dogma) and CULTS are RELIGIONS!
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I love the interviewer's reactions. it feels like a normal conversation and not like someone's interviewing...very genuine
What kind of altruistic notion is pimping your company to strangers as a form of dealing with loneliness?
She makes them sound like care in the community. Like the parties that happen in the house across the road from me, where the learning dis and people with down syndrome steal money from the petty cash box to buy beer and all sleep with each other when the staff are out.
How does an a typical family behave?
Obviously when somebody doesn’t want you to talking to anybody, or ever leaving the house in general, the logical explanation is always that they’re worried about ‘getting found out’, or anticipating savage smear campaigns…which only leaves another question… followed by a questioning of the equality of judgemental burden each person carries.
Absolutely agreed. His interviewing style is brilliant, innit??
@@lucyhanks500 What are you talking about?
He has true emotional empathy- very powerful and great at listening 🩷
I had a friend who was born into that cult sadly she took her life hope this lady finds peace ❤
I'm so sorry you lost your friend.
My heart goes out to all the victims of this horrific cult ❤❤❤
Uuuugh.... I'm SO sorry.... 💔🙏🏻
Its so sad that being dead is better than dealing with the trauma evil people create
Natasha is such a strong survivor. As a survivor of an end times cult, Sam Fife’s Move of God, I relate to her a lot. I’m thrilled to hear her here. Bravo. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I hope everyone reads her book.
Yup. I had a friend in that cult. I didn’t know what it was. He was so sweet and kind. He killed himself many years ago. Later I found out about it on the internet. I’m 72.
I am absolutely shocked and appalled that this cult is still around and that it’s perpetrators aren’t internationally being sought for.
The cult is mostly diabanded. Most members aren't part of it anymore. Ex cult member of that cult here. Also I'm lucky that I was born in the cult a time where the rape of children wasnt allowed anymore. That doesn't mean it completely stopped. But by the end or mid 90s it stopped. I was born in the 90s
Most people in the cult moved to South American and Asian countries without extradition or child protection laws. I have read this ladies book, which makes it quite clear that she was being interfered with well into the 90's. I'm glad nothing happened to you, but many ex members have documented their abuse into the early 00's and they were not so lucky, unfortunately.
@@roygeorge5364 You need to read my comment again. I never said it stopped in the 90s. Just that child rape in the cult went way down. I even mentioned it didn't completely stop.
Also, Brazil has child protection laws I would know, I was born and still live here.
A member a couple years ago used reddit to escape (The Children Of God Now The Family International)
@@Stayler17 I wasn't replying to you mate, I was just making a general comment on the thread, so no need to take my words as a personal afront. I would have tagged you if I was replying to you specifically my friend. I apologise if I somehow confused you into thinking I was directing my statement at you.
Love this interviewer, really hits the spot and lets the guests speak, ladbible killing it with these podcasts. Great thing to nod off to
Agree! This interviewer is fantastic. He draws out the information in the most respectful and sensitive way. I really love his style.
@jennas2068 yeah I agree. My favourite of all the interviews on ladbible! Non judgemental and asks the questions that I want to ask
So true, he is the best interviewer I've listened to in a long time
Really love how he kept asking if it was okay to continue the conversation. Really gave her the opportunity to stop if needed, and that it was okay to stop whenever she wanted.
@@tarantulaperfume1:31 seeing her reaction to him was heartwarming... so respectful and considerate
One can feel the self confidence in her voice. Nobody will mess up with me again kind of voice. I trully admire her 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
My family were raised in this same cult. The trauma is still felt to this day by many
Incredible story and excellent interviewer. Natacha is amazing and incredibly brave and the interviewer navigated the conversation with empathy, grace and curiosity, allowing Natacha to share her story. just awesome!
I worked as a victim's advocate in a domestic violence shelter in Southeast Texas. I tried to educate police officers, but mostly, they looked at me like i had 3 heads. Not really their fault because it is a social norm in Texas. I truly believe it has a lot to do with our country western music culture and our religious background.
It is very difficult for people to understand the way people are raised in shame and abuse which leads to almost helplessness.
I applaud this woman's determination to choose life. To choose her babies despite her culture. Culture is almost as strong as DNA. Pefhaps it becomes part of your DNA.
You said DV is a cultural norm in Texas? I'm from NJ I didn't know that
A brave woman who has such strength and courage to speak out and try to help others despite suffering such trauma herself. I really hope these survivors get the justice and acknowledgment they deserve. Thank you for this podcast
They recruited good people under false pretenses, brainwashed them and got them hooked, and started blackmailing other people via escorting to join the community. Great interview.
Yeah I think bergs daughter fished gadafi
I so appreciate Natasha's sharing her story, and her courage. When so many of your peers die under the weight of the pain and struggle of survival outside of the cult, it must be very lonely to have the courage to go on every day, but I'm so glad she does. There are many people out here who care about your story and see what great value you offer the planet as a human being. Thank you. One day at a time, my friend. You're not alone. Keep fighting the good fight.
I've watched and read for many years content about cults, this survivor is so well spoken and straight to the point that this is hands down the best evidence against the family, and the damage of all cults on their people.
Balance between fearing doctrines vs trusting your judgement is extremely important. And if a child is not raised right, you can start seeing the consequences of this imbalance.
This is my favourite podcast. I love the empathy that the interviewer exudes. Natasha is a strong survivor, I wish her the very best!
I was born and raised in a cult. I’ve also sadly lost a loved one myself to a large well known cult that is notorious for attacking people. It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever experienced. The damage cults you live with for the rest of your life 😢
You might like this guy I've been listening to (like free SMART shrink at home while you dust?!)
Prof Sam Vaknin TH-cam cults religious npd etc
Peace be yours❤️
Fascinating! Bon courage to all cult survivors who escape and educate us about some of the vicissitudes of these monstrous places. Deep gratitude.
She is absolutely correct that there should not be a statute of limitations on abuse. I would say even if it began in adulthood. Anyone who gets manipulated into this sort of abusive relationship should at least be heard out, unless they become perpetrators as an adult then that would change it. For sure, children will need into adulthood to be able to remember and process such craziness.
Very brave, most people dont talk about being in a cult. The fear of being hurt and killed.
In 1976 when w were 16 I had a friend at boarding school in Maine who ran away to Canada. I got 1 letter from her that said that she had joined the children of god. Her name changed and I never heard from her again.
Hopefully she escaped 🙏
I remember accepting their oddly worded white flyers handed out on the Yonge Street in Toronto.
I knew they were exposed for using young women over 50 years ago, but I was curious about their con.
I remember sitting in a restaurant to talk another teenager out of being involved. I hadn't seen her since we were kids. She had stars in her eyes. She was living on the street and doing what they wanted. I tried to explain that it wasn't a religion, that it was a cult.
She came from a family I knew wouldn't support her.
I always wonder what happened to her. I hope someone else was able to help her at that age. I didn't know how. 😢
i knew a few ex members from the family, here in south america. a couple of them unalived themselves and all of them had addiction and mental health issues. some of them were sa'd as children (in shared rooms full of other kids their age, with jesus imagery on the walls) and i remember there was even biological paternity questioned.
Thank you Nathasia I joint the COG when I was 17 in 1978.I still have problems with the things I did and was done unto me.I left after a year and it was hard to leave because of the doctrine.hope that Karin Zerby one day will be brought to justice be convicted and serve years of imprissoment for what she did.Peter Amsterdam was also one of the leaders that should be arrested.I heard from a reilable source that they first were in hidding in Zwitserland but that they now are living in Honduras in a beautifull mansion.The family international is still recruting in South America and the Filliphines.They are organising parties and performances,and still try to take the money of poor people.
They think they can hide 😭 maybe back then but technology has changed (same I’ve heard of a South American country that did some recruiting)
Last thing I knew was them living in Mexico but that was in the 2000s
@@davidl4992...did you see the documentary?
This my favorite channel. Literally giving people a chance to tell their story. Bless everyone ❤
That cult had a house near where I grew up in Limerick, Ireland. They kept a low profile. It only became known years later when one member, the cyclist Juliana Buhring, talked about it. I never heard anything about it at the time.
Members weren’t allowed to talk neighbors or neighborhood kids (unless you were a higher up)and were kept inside or recruiting out in the street
That's mad, were there many more in Ireland have you any idea?😮
I used to know 2 people who were in the cult for a short time when it was very new in the late 60s. They were my boyfriend and his friend and they were only 16 when they were recruited in Dallas. Their parents gave permission for them to travel with the COG thinking it was a Christian group. Some of the things they told me is that they had to eat cooked milo which was something fed to chickens and old food that supermarkets were discarding while "Uncle Dave" lived in a trailer with his wife and sexy secretary who would later become the leader and ate normal food. They also said there was no getting close with the opposite sex at that time unless you gained favor and got permission to marry someone. Also that they trained the children to follow commands perfectly and like to demonstrate that by giving commands like sit, stand, turn around, etc and the children would obey perfectly. Finally my boyfriend's friend ran away and went back home. Then my boyfriend was arrested in New Orleans and the police asked him if he wanted to go back to the cult or go home. He chose to go home.
Fantastic Podcast, Natacha speaks so clearly about this subject. Thank you for talking so candidly.
I pray that people who abuse children will be called to justice, how they can even stand to live with themselves is beyond my comprehension.
They will be, in the end if they haven't repented, the false god they believe in. Will be burning with them in the lake of fire.
The real God hates sexual sin of any sort!!! Especially with children!! Jesus said in the bible many will believe doctrine of demons. I believe totally someone can formulate a totally skewed view of religion led by an evil entity. People do it all the time it's the leading causes of deaths, mass shootings murder and suicide.
As it says in the bible, we do not fight against flesh and blood but principalities and powers evil forces. Only way to defeat is Jesus Christ. 💞🙏🏼
Just like the film Red State, realising this happens all over the world and sharing stories like this is a brave step to recovery 👌 be proud of your strength Natacha
This is so interesting because just yesterday I also listened to another podcast of this woman (I forget her name) who also shared her story of being in the “children of god” cult and released a book talking about her experience too! I hope all of these people heal and may peace and love be brought into their life! 🥹
What a lovely respectful interviewer.
Thank you, Natacha, for sharing your story. How very lucky you were born with the intelligence and wisdom to become aware of those facts which you endured while sensing/understanding/intuiting which were EVIL and HORRIBLE and perpetrated on yourself as well as others. My parents, narcissistic mother, sent me to live with my aunt who was a life log member of Emissaries of Divine Light. It's a cult, too. Thank goodness I was only a visitor. Cults certainly destroy any and all individuality a person may possess by collectively indoctrinating each person with an unnatural passion. Easy to buy, very difficult to reject. Well-done, YOU did it!!!!!!!!!
I remember reading her book and it was fascinating and heart wrenching! She talks about everything in a lot more detail! Highly recommend! What an inspiring woman to overcome all that trauma!
this is scary, i was bought up in africa and the way she's describing her bringing up sounds exactly like my childhood
That's terrible! And is most definitely not what the rest of the world ever experiences in our lives. I hope you're doing OK now Catherine? Sorry to hear about this.
They were everywhere so I wouldn’t be surprised if they were in Africa
Extremely brave girl. Well proud of you and your courageous escape from cult. May you have a wonderful, peaceful life. May universe watch over you.
Natacha has so much dignity ..a great interview and these interviews teach us so much ....Thank you .
Wow what a great Interveiw, Natasha is so knowledgeable.
Need to get the “don’t f*ck with cats” crew on this.
I was Born in this cult and we left when I was 8, I never Remember a time that I did'nt know about sex, sex was the most hi way tò show love and Jesus Is love, at 7 years old an "uncle" abused me, the fact Is that when you enter the cult you change your name so you never knew the real identity of nobody...
This was to avoid arrest for it really being a pedophile ring. I'm so so very sorry you went through it. Pedophiles find many ways to hide what they do. They knowingly hid their crimes. Because they changed their names in order to avoid arrest. As for the children who knew nothing else. How would they know it's a crime? Now you know. I'm sure you broke the cycle of the abusers. By not becoming what they are.
This sounds a lot like David Koresh, or the offshoot sects of the LDS extremists who allowed children to become wives of the leaders who has multiple children by multiple women. Somehow, in these cults, women and children are often victimized sexually. That leaves huge emotional scars.
It's still hard to understand how people get in the cult, and don't leave immediately, but Natasha explained it better than many I've heard.
I was raised in a pretty strict Christian home, but my parents were very social people, and we had a lot of extended family members who were different levels of Christian. By that I mean that we had the very liberal ones who only attended church on holidays, to my parents who went nearly every Sunday, but would sometimes "skip" summer Sundays to go to the lake. I think that "normal" religious upbringing kept me from being swayed by anything I heard about that was a little off.
As I got older, I was very interested in cults from a psychological viewpoint, from small ones to large scale ones, and what made them successful. It seems that most crumble in the end, but almost all extremism does damage to their members. It saddens me that parents wouldn't run immediately when child sexual abuse was made the norm. I can't imagine not being the one who raised my children, or having them grow up apart from one another. Our children are very close, and always have each other to talk to if there's something they don't want to talk to us about. One day, we'll be gone, but they will still have a strong bond and get through the loss with the support of each other.
I want to thank the interviewer, and especially Natasha for sharing her story. I hope she is close to her siblings or has a good group of friends. I wish her the best of healing and success in whatever she wants to do. 💗
She gave a shocking interview. I'm appalled by these monsters. It seems every cult is all about sex, power and control, just like an abusive relationship. 😢 Thank you 🙏 to her for being so honest. I hope she's doing well. Bless her.
What an amazingly strong woman! Unfortunately the government agencies are often complicit.
Natacha is an amazing person. I'm so glad I've heard her interview. It makes me feel that my life has been easy. I've been watching the channels which have been covering Scientology and the similarities between these 2 cults are really strong. As a Christian, it saddens me that people use the Bible and pervert faith into such devastating groups. Keep strong Natacha and may you be blessed with a happier life!
Please keep up with the good work . These podcasts are so insightful and informative .
Do they have any type of organization set up to help those who have left or are wanting to leave? She speaks several times of how difficult it is to assimilate into society, understandably. So what is being done to help these people?
Nothing as far as I’ve been able to discern as a child now adult “survivor” of this cult. You have to live the rest of your life in silence with no help from society. The CPTSD is crippling. I’m 50 but I look 70. Unfortunately, you just have to box it up and hope you don’t get triggered as you struggle to look and act like everyone else. I use diy therapy on YT when I can handle it. I have 3 daughters so I try not to smother or scare them with my own anxieties. Sometimes I have to lock myself in a closet so I can cry without alarming anyone. 1 day at a time.
I live in Latin America. 20 years ago I was approached by some American girls who gave me a brochure. It said “The Family International”. I wonder if they have changed the name.
Yes that is the same group
This very fluent account of what goes on behind closed doors of any cult system is horrendous! The unfortunate children who have to grow up because of the bad decisions of their parents are either left to suffer the consequences of their upbringing or be strong enough to break away from a catastrophic system. Shame on cult leaders and their followers to desecrate the name of God with their own evil interpretation of what God expects from us! I have great admiration to those who have found their way out!
🤗 My good wishes for COG TFI Survivors, the organization Natacha mentions!
She and Ben Powell-Jones have had an excellent talk recorded in this video. 🏅
No, no, NOPE! Even in a high pressure group if someone told me that abusing children was an experiment at best and doctrine at worst I would WALK to the nearest city with the embassy from my country and by hook or by crook I’d get myself and my children out if there, even if I had to walk 200 miles and beg for food on the way. Women have done a lot worse than that over history….. it would be the absolute WORST if I ever touched a child. The pain of actually abusing a child would be like irons of fire at my feet all of my life, the physical pain of walking away would never even equate to that!
What is WRONG with people?
Best interviews on youtube....sad but extremely well done. Subscribed yesterday 😊
My best friend was in this cult. Her parents joined and she and her brothers and sisters had no choice as they were young children. Luckily she is doing well now her family are out
Were the parents ever charged?
@@ChrisNelnyk-nz2ct Everything this young lady reports is chillingly and disgustingly accurate. Ricky Rodriguez, as she mentioned, killed one of his abusers before turning the gun on himself. But no, there has never been any accountability.
River and Joaquin Phoenix, they were in this cult with their family. It is common knowledge.
That would explain River Phoenix's addiction and passing if he was abused there as a child 😢😢😢
She's so eloquent.
Thank goodness she escsped & is now helping others to recover
WOW! Amazing woman. Wishing her strength, healing and ultimately peace ♡♡♡
In the late 60's and 70's the children were raised directly and daily by their parents with support from others when needed. The 'group' didn't just spread throughout the world because they were running away from criticism but also because it was based on the teachings of the Bible which says to 'Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature'. Things changed immensely in the late 70's and early 80's, extremely veering away from Biblical teachings and becoming a full blown cult based on sexual perversion and absolute control.
A control method that was used to keep members in the COG was to use Bible verses such as, Luke 9:60-62, which made them think if they had any doubts or wanted to leave they were betraying God. Many people originally joined as adults early on in the late 60's and early 70's because they sincerely wanted to serve God, follow in the footsteps of Jesus and obey Biblical teachings.
Luke 9:60-62
60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.
62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
The guy had a wholesome life only by commanding people to obey and act like lunatics. Really surprised me the lengths this cult has servived for.
i doubt their "leader" had a normal life. as she says he was a RAVING ALCOHOLIC..... and that his wife was pretty much running things for a long time. plus they - the "leaders" - seemed to often be "on the run" from authorities
Sounds like he had Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
@@sarahstrong7174 Obvs part of the job entitlements / personality. Can't be just a nutter.
1:14:18 Fleetwood Mac's Jeremy Spencer is still in the group per a 2023 interview. "The couple remain devoted to The Family (as the Children of God became known in 1978) and work for its publishing arm"
Such an interesting show - thanks to you both! ❤
So interesting. Thank you for sharing this. I'm glad you are doing well. You are so brave.
This is the BEST podcast on utube
Reminds me of the abuse and control over people of Masonic families as well. Stress, fear, gossip, reprimand and controling. So much not discussed. God bless this lady for speaking out ♥ 🙏
Literally she’s describing SRA 💔
Kallmekris just did a breakdown on this particular group. She gets way more granular, going back through the personal history of the leader, the David dude, and his wives, etc.
Awesome video, Natasha is awesome, thank you.
Great interview!
I am also a victim of the OTO centered in L.A. Your story is so sad I am sorry you were born in it. My parents were unalived by them. I intend to get Justice. Halaluja 🎶 Amen. Thank you I'm starting a podcast on my story of how what, etc. I have video of the actual sacrifice! Come see Im starting and any support is greatly appreciated ❤
A cult tried to recruit me in Glasgow around 2008/9. The leader had members follow me and approach me, surround me and pray for me while the lead member injected me with something in my shoulder (got it checked, needle mark but no trace of any drug in my system when I got checked out) and I cried because I was vulnerable, lonely and drugged. I wanted more, and wanted to join. Thankfully somebody made me see sense. They're tricky organisations, and they can sense vulnerability from a mile away. I went to a 'community event' that was just a way for the leader to suss out vulnerable people.
Much respect to you both for this interview. My ex and Dad of my Children is a Child who never knew his Dad who was in this cult in Australia and apparently moved to Switzerland after he was conceived. The only information I have is His name is Mark and he is German.
It is extremely difficult finding any information on people who have been in the cult. The website x family is very resourceful to see where they are currently operating under many different names.
You are very brave and wise woman. Congratulations 👍
The Family International had a youtube account for anyone interested in what Karen Zerby looks like.
You have to condemn the parents of the children that chose to expose their kids to this charlatanry. There can be no forgiveness for them.
While this video might shock most Christians, for me this cult just seems like the opposite side of the same coin as purity culture. Control. Both are deplorable. Maybe equally deplorable in my view. 😢
thank you! I learned a lot
Much love to her & all victims ❤❤❤❤
Fascinating but horrendous! So glad she got out and in one piece. So strong and together. Wonder about her views on God now though...
Incredible. Thank you. 😊
What a brave lady.
I looked up the Les enfants de dieu Paris Show Group. They look so free and happy and like any other music group of that time. Crazy.
😇thank you for the heads-up
oxoxoxox careful out there guys and gals .God will keep us safe
Welldone Natasha for sharing your story and for leaving such a terrible lifestyle.
I think there are many types of cults. Look at the present political cult and how hard it is for so many to break free.
Such a brave lady to tell her story.
This WAS an interesting & engaging interview! I’d have thought this group had gone the way of the hippies once the media exposed it decades ago, which I DO remember from some news-magazine broadcast of the networks, 60 Minutes, 20/20 or some similar program of the 90s-00s.
It seemed quite dangerous from a law enforcement/social services perspective-even then! The video materials were hokey, tawdry, & could only have appealed to someone using a variety of drugs-was my thinking at the time. “Flirty Fishing” was horrifyingly frightening and simultaneously goofy at the same time. I always wondered what became of those naïve & gullible children in that video!!
The TV program DID seem to present a narrative of “cults past,” so it probably did dovetail with the passing of David Berg and the ending of the Marshall Applewhite saga, along with several other reported cults being covered by mainstream media of the era. It may have been intended as some PSA “warning” in the wake of the well-documented Ruby Ridge & Branch Davidians massacres, but always these same “lone nut” tropes are used to convey that sense of “problem-solved here, & we move on to reporting ‘normalcy,’ “ AS IF they’ve all gone now, when you can learn right here that the opposite is true, then and today.
I disagree somewhat with the profiling answer, only in that I DO see a common link in people joining cults: Societal Vulnerability, & the perceived “need” to be a part of something greater than oneself.
Though these have no specific personality traits in people-anyone at any time CAN fall into the condition-it’s important to specify the emotional basis so that people can have the choice (even if limited) to raise their guard especially at such moments in their lives.
What’s most perturbing about all cults isn’t how far they go in exerting sadistic domination over people. It’s how little the law enforcers see fit to shut them down completely & to convict their leaders of criminal activity.
Not merely a function of “separation of church from state,” viewed judicially, but a tacit (or outright) NOD to the importance of such orgs in bringing “order” to the general populace, as RELIED on by their own governments.
A truly independent govt would hardly tolerate the trafficking of children, the illicit sex crimes, the racketeering & extortion of funds to boost-up & to prop-up potentates, the lack of certified education, & the brainwashing mind-controlling & surreptitious manipulation that goes on in such groupings & assemblies if they were carried-out by persons migrating from rival governmental powers. Why do so in the name of “church?”
It’s bad enough that permits have been govt-issued for those tax-exemptions!! But holding them to 0 accountability afterward is a complete abdication of all societal responsibility, which government itself is meant to enact and to maintain.
Some building or some temple-structure MAY have a steeple. It may have hymn books, pulpit, organs, carpeting and stained-glass windows, to be sure. But what its congregants are being led to do under the banner of “Religion” deserves just as much scrutiny as COINTELPRO & other government branch initiatives directed against Civil Rights organizations in the 1950s and 1960s-which conducted no such organized crimes yet reported & probably never documented, either.
The result: in 2024 there are millions of cult-followers afoot in the USA-concept, being led astray, misguided, misinformed, & manipulated into False beliefs, which they strongly believe are true, without any evident reason to believe the lies & fallacies they are being fed.
They can continue doing nothing as they’ve done for approximately 40 years, “exposing” cult after cult after cult, all proliferating in the media reports.
But logically, the Outcome cannot possibly be expected to yield any materially Constructive Results, except in rare cases, such as Ms. Natacha Tormey’s.
She’s intelligent, articulate, & able to comprehend the circumstances of her environment much better than most in her position. I wish her continued happiness & success in life. But mostly, I pray for her continued inner Peace.
Outstanding interview by Mr. Jones. MORE like this one are truly needed-not merely in Religion anymore, as Ms. Tormey has warned. 🌷🌿🌸🌱🕯🌿🌷🪷🌼🌱☮️🕯
This woman is incredibly resilient.
Thankfully, when I was younger, I joined a few organizations that were becoming cult like and eventually I always started to question what the hell was going on and got out. Some were religious, some were political. Now, in middle age, I’m so freakin skeptical that I don’t trust groups at all. Zealous groups are very dangerous in my opinion now. People who are way too passionate about specific ideologies and follow leaders without question make me uncomfortable. I feel lucky that I eventually figured out I was susceptible and seeking them out, I guess I wanted meaning in life. Now I know that we make our own meaning and no one knows what they’re doing. lol. Gurus are always fake charlatans. I am thankful that my parents were always patient with me and gave me a place to land. I can’t imagine what it was like to have parents who supported the cult. Anyone who gets out with no support from family are the strongest people, truly inspiring. And I hope the ones who didn’t survive are now at peace.
I’d be interested to hear how it they were able to stay in Thailand for a decade and basically move around Asia given that you typically need visas and resident permits to stay beyond 90 days
Visa trips every 90 days. Sometimes we got 6 month visas but each time we had to travel to the Malaysian border and go out and back in.
This is heartbreaking i feel sick to me stomach youz evil bastards doing this to kids and woman be brave and leave these monsters cowards
The control in this group sounds similar to something the world just went through where some countries put in place more hard fast rules then some other countries that didn’t. Does anyone else remember this? What was it?
COVID-19
Natacha is a hero.
I sadly have to admit: the older I get the more I realize how disgusting and cruel human beings are and how dangerous „life“ is. The more I realize this, the less I want to continue to live. Living in such a world makes me NOTHING but feeling frightened, disgusted and lonely and therefore suicidal.
Christ bro
Suicide?
Don't. Life is full of up and downs. I hope you get help for your thoughts of suicide.
thank you for sharing your feelings. I found in my life that the thing that helped me was caring for people who are disadvantaged or old & poor. Ive been amazed at how this took my mind into a different space. Fear is psychologically opposite to Love
@@selenaclarke You are right about fear and love.
Please reach out and talk Luticia. I agree this world is horrifically f'd up but light can and will overcome. And I'm non religious but truly believe this. Please seek help 😢 xx
There was a documentary many years ago on HBO about The Children of God Davida in South America. A group of young adults fled the cult. They were all SA'd from a very young age and all addicted to drugs. Many of them ended up unaliving themselves. Very sad!!
What is the name of the documentary Natacha mentions at 51:10?
Brave Natacha.
Ive been hearing this mans voice lately alot in the background of my life .I feel safe when listening to you.Calming voice calming words I am so grateful for you and your voice.My life has been changing in a positive way I think of Jesus when I hear your voice its a warmth that takes over.Im sure Jesus is the right choice for me I feel scared when I'm practicing properly and safe when I pray in Jesus name
Omg..my heart goes out to you Natacha... but at 00:30 there's her name on screen. But her last name is spelled the wrong way... Just wanted to tell you @LADbible
Very interesting. There was another off shoot of this group who were simply called "The Christians" who's leader was (still is?) David McKay who was involved with the Chiildren of God previously.
What an amazing woman!
Wow 😮
Brave!!
Didn’t River and Joaquin Phoenix parents raise them in this cult??
Yes
And Rose McGowan