one thing to note with Kitsa, you only have to cast one other spell before the one you want to copy, Kitsa will have 3 power and you'll have priority before that second spell resolves.
Similarly if you get a counter on Kitsa you can copy your first spell on each subsequent turn. Not sure if any deck in legacy could use that but it feels like useful information for brewers.
@@aem472 There's a land from strixhaven that puts a counter on a creature if you've cast an instant or sorcery this turn, it's not that good, but maybe in a monoU shell as a one of it could work
For Into the Flood Maw, while I agree that its Legacy utility specifically is probably limited, I think its value goes up in formats where Oath of Druids is legal.
Regarding Stormsplitter, I'm not trying to be pedantic, but it's never going to be "3 per cycle", as each token is a copy of the original, and will make more of itself, doubling each time. 1 spell makes 2. 2 makes 4. 3 makes 8. 4 makes 16 and 5 is almost guaranteed lethal on the spot. The 4 mana cost is steep, but it's the exact same as Empty the Warrens, except you have to cast it before you storm off and it's vulnerable to creature removal but who sides in creature removal against storm?
But how often does storm have to not spend resources to get to 4 mana? Empty is good in my experience because you can just fire a few rituals into an empty t1, but here you’d probably need to waste multiple spells to even cast stormbreaker, then either untap next turn and win or somehow still have enough resourced to win. Storm deck don’t need a 4 mana card that wins if you untap with it.
@@GlichCentral It's a different play pattern, and almost certainly worse than the existing decks (in Legacy or Modern), but it's not that different from Pauper's cycle storm decks playing a Drannith Stinger after 2 minutes of solitaire and then proceeding to ping the opponent 20 times over the next 5 minutes. The worst part isn't having 4 mana to spare mid-combo, is that it's much more vulnerable Force of Will.
it also goes infinite with beseech the mirror and mizzix's mastery. is it good by legacy standards? no. is it cool as hell? yes. (well, not infinite, but, uh, lessee. 1 otter, 2 artifacts, beseech for beseech. 2 otter, 1 artifact, beseech for mizzix. 4 otters, mizzix for beseech. 8bfm, 14mfm, 28mfb, 56bfb, 110bfm, 218mfb, 436bfm, 870mfm, 1740mfb, 3480 otters beseech for anything, cast the anything for a total of *6958 otters*. and i probably messed up the sequence somewhere and it's actually 50 more than that or twice as many or something)
In the Warren Warleader section I am surprised you did not look at Jacked Rabbit as well. It plays at the 2C point or on t1 with a mox and a basic, sets a respectable clock, and scales well with excess mana. The 3 mana version in particular feels very comparable with the various goblins that see play in moon stompy. Still not sure I like it over initiative creatures (though at this exact moment it is much less scary when reanimated).
Correction about Kitsa, Otterball elite: Is it not possible to cast one spell, then copy the second spell. Something like: Kitsa is a 2/4 You cast "spell" The stack is: "spell" with "prowess trigger" on top Let the prowess trigger resolve The stack is: "spell" and kitsa is a 3/5 So now you can activate Kitsa and copy the spell (thus you only need 4 mana minimum, 1 spell + 1 spell + 2 copy) I might be wrong though
Great stuff! Three tree city is ok in modern elves it is another priest of titania that you get to use the turn it enters. Also Glarb, calamity's augur is way interesting in Draco/leyline beans I think ( casts draco, binding, fow, prismatic ending,, forth, solitude, lorien revealed...)
Rottenmouth Viper is a pretty sweet finisher that I think was overlooked in discussion. View it as a type of Murktide Liege. The discount clause is not difficult to end up with an affordable 2-4 mana 6/6 that can 'evasively' end the game. Sacrificing some spare material seems a bit harder than Delve, but there's a number of R/B decks that end up with spare permanents in play. Rabblemaster tokens, Treasures off Fable, Moxen, upward ticking One Rings. Also you can view it as a similar role to Broadside Bombadiers. You give up material to put heavy pressure on life total/resources to stop you. If it is only a 3 drop for you, that's a ton of immediate value. It also does similar things like eating the One Ring like Gut Zealot. If we think of like Broadside, let's try throwing it with one, you got a 4 life trigger+8 damage to dome which can close out games or choke out resources to fight back. If you ever untap with a Reflection of Kiki Jiki, you can play this and then probably win. That's 4 triggers (1 from the original, 1 off copy, 2 off copy's attack, then a swinging 6/6). Then there's a chunk of times you might just play it on T3 and it becomes a 'answer or die' threat. Like a T1 or T2 Fable of the Mirror Breaker. It doesn't pitch to Fury, but there might be enough RB options to fit into a new RB aggro stompy shell with Grief/Reanimate/Troll. Viper doesn't work better then Archon for entomb, but it is less of a dead card if you don't have a reanimate effect. I doubt Bloodtithe Harvester is legacy playable, but maybe parts of the Pauper Rakdos 'sac fodder' deck is adaptable for legacy. I wish Eluge, the Shoreless Sea could fit into a High Tide shell. A single discount on High Tide nets two mana which makes it easier to go off. But High Tide is far more of an all-in deck. Even though a slight creature pivot can be useful against decks that are siding out all their creature removal (Sheoldred in Doomsday decks, Empty the Warrens/Elemental Eruption in Storm decks). It prob isn't good enough. I doubt 4 mana is fast enough that it'll be worth the color-screwing aspect it can do to 4-5C decks, but wasteland wasn't really a tool available to High Tide decks.
I think Keen-Eyed Curator could be a nice Scavenging Ooze like card in a Green Sun's deck. A little beefier to start , colorless mana to activate and an upside if there is some card diversity in graveyards too. I also like Osteomancer Adept. 2 mana 2/2 that is relivant with deathtouch but the value it can provide late game, especially as you don't need to sac it to it's ability, seems interesting.
Im really happy modern horizons sets dont happen too often and i can return to my typical eternal content of "hey theres maybe 3 neat cards i might want plus neat limited". My wallet enjoys these sets more. *Sees a squirrel..... has flashbacks to earthcraft *
I'm looking forward to Huskburster Swarm as a sideboard juke for graveyard decks. It's like Show and Tell but they don't get anything and you get a much worse creature! Yayyy
Re: Brewmaster You know what’s has cool activated ability? Tree of Perdition. Swaps opponent’s life with its toughness. You know what doesn’t have toughness _or_ summoning sickness? Food tokens! This is totally would be more of a pioneer thing if brewmaster was legal there, but I couldn’t help but make the connection. Also if this interaction doesn’t work, pretend you never read this.
I think Cruelclaw's colors are its biggest issue to overcome for it to see Legacy play. Red doesn't really have top-of-library tutors and black's are banned. I think if it sees play, it will be in a shell that makes use of the discard somehow. A shell with Kroxa comes to mind, but the question becomes why not just play reanimator instead. Honestly, I'm keeping my eye on Valley Floodcaller. It already creates a 'have interaction or lose' on T3 situation in standard and can be played around board wipes. And it's the sort of card that screams 'just waiting on the B' to me. It may not be there yet, but I'm sure something will snap it right in half.
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Good morning! I'm not sure about putting together a stompy goblin deck or a red prison deck. Which one would you best invest in? I would really appreciate it if you could give me your opinion.
Has anyone thought about Essence Channeler? Scales up well with repeatable life gain, Flying and Vigilance when you've lost life (aka fetch), and if it dies it gives its counters to another creature... not sure what deck it fits in but that has some potential.
I was thinking of Cruelclaw with Brainstorm since it doesn't put you down a card in the way that vamp tutor style effects often do. Plus Brainstorm is already a decent card without Cruelclaw
maybe a bit weak for Legacy, but flamecache gecko functions like burning tree emmissary (with the condition that an opponent has to have lost life.) Could be interesting in lower power formats. (maybe playable in pioneer)
the flood of new cards over and over so quickly is nauseating. you dont even get a chance to process whats what before being beaten over the head by something new
One note, stormsplitter doubles the amount of it with each spell since its copies also have the “copy this creature” ability. Not prowess which is linear, stormsplitter is exponential. Four mana means it will have to stay on the board a turn most times, but casting 5 spells for 32 power is pretty okay
24:30 couldnt you copy the second spell? second spell+prowess goes on the stack, prowess resolves, its power is three, then active it targeting the second spell.
Love these talking videos... (all of them are talking videos)😅. Grief is absolutely a menace and I think it should be banned but... what if they banned reanimate instead? I think banning grief should happen but curious to see what others think about the question I presented.
To illustrate: Reanimate is, according to MTGTop8, played in 23% of decks now. It was 14% in 2023, 4.7% in 2022, and 3.3% in 2020, before MH2 came out. This was Grief taking over the meta and people's hearts. It just took a while to figure out that Grief wasn't at it's best with Reanimate's usual friends, Griselbrand and Faithless Looting, but with ye old blue cantrip and counterspell shell.
I think a large part of the reason it took that long for the UB Grief deck to emerge, additionally, was the lack of good cards that pitch to both Grief and FoW. 2023 had Atraxa, which kept the deck similar to it's old reanimator counterpart. You can see some people trying it in midrange shells with Leovold and Baleful Strix. The deck really took shape with Troll of Khazad Dúm and, sometimes, Sauron's Ramson instead of Atraxa for a UB card you could actually cast. Psychic Frog makes both Ramson and Atraxa obsolete, as well as being a strong card overall.
flubs sucks because it doesn't work if you have an even amount of cards in hands, let's say you have 2 cards, you play one, discard the other and then scoop.
one thing to note with Kitsa, you only have to cast one other spell before the one you want to copy, Kitsa will have 3 power and you'll have priority before that second spell resolves.
Oh, right, good call
Similarly if you get a counter on Kitsa you can copy your first spell on each subsequent turn. Not sure if any deck in legacy could use that but it feels like useful information for brewers.
@@aem472 There's a land from strixhaven that puts a counter on a creature if you've cast an instant or sorcery this turn, it's not that good, but maybe in a monoU shell as a one of it could work
@@aem472 Agatha's Soul Cauldron seems like an option to put a +1/+1 counter on something in a deck that also has a bunch of activated abilities.
The way you explained how you analyze card potential reminded me of a box and whisker graph. Man those show so much information at a glance
I know this is for Legacy, but "Into the Flood Maw" is fantastic with Oath of Druids in Vintage.
For Into the Flood Maw, while I agree that its Legacy utility specifically is probably limited, I think its value goes up in formats where Oath of Druids is legal.
Regarding Stormsplitter, I'm not trying to be pedantic, but it's never going to be "3 per cycle", as each token is a copy of the original, and will make more of itself, doubling each time. 1 spell makes 2. 2 makes 4. 3 makes 8. 4 makes 16 and 5 is almost guaranteed lethal on the spot.
The 4 mana cost is steep, but it's the exact same as Empty the Warrens, except you have to cast it before you storm off and it's vulnerable to creature removal but who sides in creature removal against storm?
Worth noting for the Commander players out there... If you can storm for 8 with this guy you can kill the entire table. :)
But how often does storm have to not spend resources to get to 4 mana? Empty is good in my experience because you can just fire a few rituals into an empty t1, but here you’d probably need to waste multiple spells to even cast stormbreaker, then either untap next turn and win or somehow still have enough resourced to win. Storm deck don’t need a 4 mana card that wins if you untap with it.
@@GlichCentral It's a different play pattern, and almost certainly worse than the existing decks (in Legacy or Modern), but it's not that different from Pauper's cycle storm decks playing a Drannith Stinger after 2 minutes of solitaire and then proceeding to ping the opponent 20 times over the next 5 minutes.
The worst part isn't having 4 mana to spare mid-combo, is that it's much more vulnerable Force of Will.
it also goes infinite with beseech the mirror and mizzix's mastery. is it good by legacy standards? no. is it cool as hell? yes.
(well, not infinite, but, uh, lessee. 1 otter, 2 artifacts, beseech for beseech. 2 otter, 1 artifact, beseech for mizzix. 4 otters, mizzix for beseech. 8bfm, 14mfm, 28mfb, 56bfb, 110bfm, 218mfb, 436bfm, 870mfm, 1740mfb, 3480 otters beseech for anything, cast the anything for a total of *6958 otters*. and i probably messed up the sequence somewhere and it's actually 50 more than that or twice as many or something)
In the Warren Warleader section I am surprised you did not look at Jacked Rabbit as well. It plays at the 2C point or on t1 with a mox and a basic, sets a respectable clock, and scales well with excess mana. The 3 mana version in particular feels very comparable with the various goblins that see play in moon stompy. Still not sure I like it over initiative creatures (though at this exact moment it is much less scary when reanimated).
Correction about Kitsa, Otterball elite:
Is it not possible to cast one spell, then copy the second spell.
Something like:
Kitsa is a 2/4
You cast "spell"
The stack is: "spell" with "prowess trigger" on top
Let the prowess trigger resolve
The stack is: "spell"
and kitsa is a 3/5
So now you can activate Kitsa and copy the spell (thus you only need 4 mana minimum, 1 spell + 1 spell + 2 copy)
I might be wrong though
Bingo
Great stuff! Three tree city is ok in modern elves it is another priest of titania that you get to use the turn it enters. Also Glarb, calamity's augur is way interesting in Draco/leyline beans I think ( casts draco, binding, fow, prismatic ending,, forth, solitude, lorien revealed...)
that mirko precon is so cool! i just shoved a ton of clones into mine to make it into this sick reanimator/aikido deck. its super fun
Rottenmouth Viper is a pretty sweet finisher that I think was overlooked in discussion.
View it as a type of Murktide Liege. The discount clause is not difficult to end up with an affordable 2-4 mana 6/6 that can 'evasively' end the game. Sacrificing some spare material seems a bit harder than Delve, but there's a number of R/B decks that end up with spare permanents in play. Rabblemaster tokens, Treasures off Fable, Moxen, upward ticking One Rings.
Also you can view it as a similar role to Broadside Bombadiers. You give up material to put heavy pressure on life total/resources to stop you.
If it is only a 3 drop for you, that's a ton of immediate value. It also does similar things like eating the One Ring like Gut Zealot.
If we think of like Broadside, let's try throwing it with one, you got a 4 life trigger+8 damage to dome which can close out games or choke out resources to fight back.
If you ever untap with a Reflection of Kiki Jiki, you can play this and then probably win. That's 4 triggers (1 from the original, 1 off copy, 2 off copy's attack, then a swinging 6/6).
Then there's a chunk of times you might just play it on T3 and it becomes a 'answer or die' threat. Like a T1 or T2 Fable of the Mirror Breaker.
It doesn't pitch to Fury, but there might be enough RB options to fit into a new RB aggro stompy shell with Grief/Reanimate/Troll. Viper doesn't work better then Archon for entomb, but it is less of a dead card if you don't have a reanimate effect.
I doubt Bloodtithe Harvester is legacy playable, but maybe parts of the Pauper Rakdos 'sac fodder' deck is adaptable for legacy.
I wish Eluge, the Shoreless Sea could fit into a High Tide shell. A single discount on High Tide nets two mana which makes it easier to go off. But High Tide is far more of an all-in deck. Even though a slight creature pivot can be useful against decks that are siding out all their creature removal (Sheoldred in Doomsday decks, Empty the Warrens/Elemental Eruption in Storm decks). It prob isn't good enough.
I doubt 4 mana is fast enough that it'll be worth the color-screwing aspect it can do to 4-5C decks, but wasteland wasn't really a tool available to High Tide decks.
I think Keen-Eyed Curator could be a nice Scavenging Ooze like card in a Green Sun's deck. A little beefier to start , colorless mana to activate and an upside if there is some card diversity in graveyards too. I also like Osteomancer Adept. 2 mana 2/2 that is relivant with deathtouch but the value it can provide late game, especially as you don't need to sac it to it's ability, seems interesting.
Im really happy modern horizons sets dont happen too often and i can return to my typical eternal content of "hey theres maybe 3 neat cards i might want plus neat limited". My wallet enjoys these sets more.
*Sees a squirrel..... has flashbacks to earthcraft *
I'm looking forward to Huskburster Swarm as a sideboard juke for graveyard decks. It's like Show and Tell but they don't get anything and you get a much worse creature! Yayyy
I think you were right on the money for where Bloomburrow has potential. Much more limited or standard set, but look at how cute the mice are!
There's a racoon that's probably better than Scavenging Ooze in the set, I think that was my number one legacy pick from the set.
ACTUAL FACTUAL *STORM* IS BACK IN STANDARD! SO ENDS THE STORM SCALE! WOOOOOOO!!!!
I feel like Cruel Claw has potential with reanimation effects and Three Tree naming "Construct" might get stupid, but that may be win-more.
So i'm the only one that have faith in Mockingbird?
I'm here with you. That card seems crazy. AspiringSpike is already doing nutty stuff with it in a UW flicker shell in Modern.
Re: Brewmaster
You know what’s has cool activated ability? Tree of Perdition. Swaps opponent’s life with its toughness. You know what doesn’t have toughness _or_ summoning sickness? Food tokens!
This is totally would be more of a pioneer thing if brewmaster was legal there, but I couldn’t help but make the connection.
Also if this interaction doesn’t work, pretend you never read this.
Doesn’t work because it has no toughness stat rather than zero toughness
I think Cruelclaw's colors are its biggest issue to overcome for it to see Legacy play. Red doesn't really have top-of-library tutors and black's are banned. I think if it sees play, it will be in a shell that makes use of the discard somehow. A shell with Kroxa comes to mind, but the question becomes why not just play reanimator instead.
Honestly, I'm keeping my eye on Valley Floodcaller. It already creates a 'have interaction or lose' on T3 situation in standard and can be played around board wipes. And it's the sort of card that screams 'just waiting on the B' to me. It may not be there yet, but I'm sure something will snap it right in half.
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Good morning! I'm not sure about putting together a stompy goblin deck or a red prison deck. Which one would you best invest in? I would really appreciate it if you could give me your opinion.
I'd do a Moon Stompy deck over goblins. Losing sticker goblin really hurt the Goblins archetype.
To steal a joke from LoadingReadyRun, offspring is “kicker with birth control”
Has anyone thought about Essence Channeler? Scales up well with repeatable life gain, Flying and Vigilance when you've lost life (aka fetch), and if it dies it gives its counters to another creature... not sure what deck it fits in but that has some potential.
I was thinking of Cruelclaw with Brainstorm since it doesn't put you down a card in the way that vamp tutor style effects often do. Plus Brainstorm is already a decent card without Cruelclaw
maybe a bit weak for Legacy, but flamecache gecko functions like burning tree emmissary (with the condition that an opponent has to have lost life.) Could be interesting in lower power formats. (maybe playable in pioneer)
Thoughts on peerless recycling? The card seems quite good for loam decks. It could be good in other decks but not as sure
Inkeeper's talent is 100% going in my Mothman and Atraxa, Praetor's Voice decks.
the flood of new cards over and over so quickly is nauseating.
you dont even get a chance to process whats what before being beaten over the head by something new
One note, stormsplitter doubles the amount of it with each spell since its copies also have the “copy this creature” ability. Not prowess which is linear, stormsplitter is exponential. Four mana means it will have to stay on the board a turn most times, but casting 5 spells for 32 power is pretty okay
I'm watching this to see if you even mention my favourite card in the set.
Notably, Maha + night of soul's betrayal does not prevent murktides : (
24:30 couldnt you copy the second spell? second spell+prowess goes on the stack, prowess resolves, its power is three, then active it targeting the second spell.
Pollywog Prodigy with shuko is pretty good in a Nadu deck
angel stompy rise up
Love these talking videos... (all of them are talking videos)😅.
Grief is absolutely a menace and I think it should be banned but... what if they banned reanimate instead?
I think banning grief should happen but curious to see what others think about the question I presented.
He addressed it last friday. Reanimate is strong, but it's an integral part of regular reanimator, a long time deck that is rarely problematic.
To illustrate: Reanimate is, according to MTGTop8, played in 23% of decks now. It was 14% in 2023, 4.7% in 2022, and 3.3% in 2020, before MH2 came out. This was Grief taking over the meta and people's hearts. It just took a while to figure out that Grief wasn't at it's best with Reanimate's usual friends, Griselbrand and Faithless Looting, but with ye old blue cantrip and counterspell shell.
I think a large part of the reason it took that long for the UB Grief deck to emerge, additionally, was the lack of good cards that pitch to both Grief and FoW. 2023 had Atraxa, which kept the deck similar to it's old reanimator counterpart. You can see some people trying it in midrange shells with Leovold and Baleful Strix.
The deck really took shape with Troll of Khazad Dúm and, sometimes, Sauron's Ramson instead of Atraxa for a UB card you could actually cast. Psychic Frog makes both Ramson and Atraxa obsolete, as well as being a strong card overall.
flubs sucks because it doesn't work if you have an even amount of cards in hands, let's say you have 2 cards, you play one, discard the other and then scoop.
We did it! We broke Devoted Druid!
Griefo delenda est!
All this talk about cedh but where are the videos!? (Im Joking i love your content whatever it is you post)
its honestly pretty pushed as a standard set overall
Sunspine Lynx does bypass The One Ring though.
Let the furries rise up!