Why u think we didn't see that corso puppy again lol Sack is not the man for a corso, pressa, dogo, rottweiler, GSD, malinois, dutchy or basically any other breed with a pulse and character Sack hand picks his dogs ronwork with they have to be a certain type dog he knows that, we know that, there's just the idiot who follow him blindly yet to find out
Oh my dayz I detest this Zak George & you & The Dog daddy are my absolute heroes in dog training (and The Asher house & dogs4rescue in rescuing). I've just had to watch this several times. I have no words for my original response. I almost fainted 😄 🤣. Thank you sir. Wallace & gromit/Veronica..what more can be said 😬 🤭 🙄 🌭 🌭 😄 🤣 😂
Before I got my first dog I did a ton of research and watched as many videos as I could to try and prepare. I watched a lot of Zac’s videos and when I got my dog as a puppy I tried to implement Zac’s methods and I was beginning to be discouraged because it was not working. I was becoming concerned since she was getting older by the day and at times was a demon. I kept watching and looking for other suggestions, that’s when I came across Robert’s channel. I began to implement what I learned in Robert’s videos and within a day I was starting to see a change and after a week my dog was now listening and no longer a demon, basically a different dog lol she is now 5 and is the best behaved dog and I’ve never had an issues with her ever since watching Robert’s videos. Now I always suggest Robert’s channel to people who are getting dogs.
This is my story with my incredibly high prey drive border collie. She's almost 5 now but she was the veriest demon as a pup. Unfortunately I found Zac George before Robert 😢 She's the best girl ever now and I get loads of compliments about her obedience when we're out. Robert Cabral is the next best thing to God in my opinion
Wow, this is truly a pivotal moment in our industry. I'm so glad you shared this, Robert. Let's kindly welcome Zak George into the fold with open arms and stop this nonsensical divide in the training world. For the sake of dogs, ALL TRAINERS UNITE!
I have no respect for Zak. All he does is criticize trainers. I made a comment to him that I would like to see him with a problematic Shepherd, Mals, or pit. Once I see him with one and is able to train them, vs the little dogs he trains, maybe I would have a diff view of him. However, until now I have not seen that. I have seen him on crusades to take down trainers.
Yes, a Malinois will piss on his "positive training" methods and eat him for lunch. My strong-willed Mal girl does really well with firm corrections. With others, she has a very hard time telling the difference between rough PLAY and their firmest corrections. She still loves me even after firm, even harsh corrections. She is a very loving and playful dog, but so strong-willed I hope I get better at this and she matures and learns such that fewer and fewer corrections are needed.
Or a puppy. His training is only good for puppies. And thats about it tbh in my opinion. Hasnt he been teaching his own dog, inertia, how to walk loosely on a leash for so long now? The ONLY time i seen her off leash is in a very controlled enviroment with very high value things. Zak and so many other people need to realize that fair corrections can do wonders for alot of dogs. Be honest, would you rather put your dog on pills or euthanize them for their reactivity or learn to tell them no?
Don't get too excited as Zak and his minions have already moved the goalpost and are now saying that he has always distinguished between "management" and "training" and his anti-aversive stance only applied to training and specifically professional trainers. In other words, do as I say, not as I do and it's OK for me to use aversive but not you.
Victoria stillwell I watched one of her shows when she gets in a vibe and gets talking about how dogs on their own will physically CORRECT….. I mean they will TEACH, yeah TEACH, the mother will teach their puppies not to misbehave. She was obviously about to say “dogs correct themselves physically”, she catches herself and uses the word teach instead. So these people, at least Victoria, she knows she’s full of S. She knows how dogs will correct themselves.
I can start to explain how angry that woman makes me it's un natural and out of character for me to feel the rage that women evokes from Deep in my soul
I recently talked to a positive only train......... In actual fact she was a liar She used a leash and collar, negative reenforcement She withheld food rewards, which is negative punishment This lady I speak of did a 5 day dog behaviour course and new charges 90 British pounds per hour for her services, me and my dog run absolute rings around her and her fat lazy lifeless boxer dog Now before anyone thinks why am I talking to positive only trainers, I was actually doing a tiling job for the lady just by coincidence she happened to be a trainer
@@OliveAndJackie yeah I would only watch the first half to see how dogs can misbehave and then I would always change the episode. I’ve never been able to finish any of her episodes. This is before I knew anything of fake training vs training.
I think not 🤔 I think he needs a career change. I mean all he's done is ride on coat tails, wrote a book quoting references to other positive trainers, got paid for promoting dog treats & bully the hell out of other trainers..All he's proved to anyone is that he can't be trusted, he's a bully & a liar & he sure as hell can't train dogs..not to mention all the small businesses & other dog trainers he's tried to destroy by stirring up hate & protests outside the businesses holding seminars etc. 😠 Bye bye Zak 👋 🌭 😅
To use a crude analogy, you *can* drive using only the gas pedal, but you’ll eventually need to apply the brakes to stop. Unless your clients enjoy constantly running into the vehicle in front.
suddenly he realised a dog like a malinois/shepherd is going to walk all over him. "Oh you brought me treats? I will have them, but wait there a minute I'm busy with this"
I have definitely learned this the hard way. I've owned many GS and grew up with a Dobbie. I got a Neo almost 2 years ago his training is so different from any breed I've owned before. If it wasn't for Robert I never would of found someone who knows this breed well enough to help me train my boy much less be ready to add a 2nd Neo in 6 months
As a Mal owner, the last thing I want is all his positive only fan base thinking they should get a mal too... Hopefully he learns a lot from this new journey
@@kaligeisecke8716 ikr. If he gets a working dog that won't work on positive only and fakes it working for the dog, it's gonna get more dogs in shelters.
Thank you for these videos. My Maltese dog thanks you too. I began to watch your channel because of the beautiful kitchen. Those dogs were so happy that I watched the other videos. They were very helpful for my dog and I enjoyed watching the dogs learning and being happy in the process.
Oh an early Christmas miracle!! As I have posted on Zak's channel, how many dogs has he trained on obedience that is more than 30 lbs. I guess now, he was dealt with a Mal, a REAL DOG!!
Zak George, welcome to our world of serious and correct training methods for a very serious dog. But I have a feeling things are not going to work out the way you hope when you revert to your only positive ways and gosh I will be laughing sorry when that piece of hot dog doesn’t work out well for you and why not try the harnesses you love so much 😂😂
Hi Robert I have finally solve the dominant issue with my two dogs!! ❤ No postive trainer could help but through much pain I buster the theory there nothing you can do but seperate. ❤ Cesar millan was the foundation to follow. 😊😊
Oh wow, the "trainer" who's own dog after like 5 years of training it can't heel properly or recall off leash under distraction, didn't really know what he was talking about? Can't say i'm shocked. But glad if this opens more people's eyes to the realities of this sales jingle of "positive only" dog training
I live in Boca Raton. There’s a positive only trainer here in Boca. And her entire social media is throwing treats on the ground and blaming tools. Then there’s just trainers in the area who are doing their best to get their clients results. The difference? Not positive reinforcement- just about every trainer understands the power of reward dogs with food or toys. The positive focus on the tool, and others want to help people and dogs reach their full potential. I tell my clients - abuse is in the heart, not in the tool. I can use a hammer to help you or hurt you.
It’s a shame it’s taken a “real dog”for him to understand strictly using R+ is not possible especially for working breeds with deeply ingrained genetics. Well done Robert!
"Scientific consensus" is a political term used to enforce conformity. The term is used to achieve a goal or create change. Not so scientific. 😅 I very much enjoyed watching Robert point out Zacks hiporacy and watching him try to justify his act. 🤣👍
Totally agree, would love to see him try and work with one of my rehomed GSD’s who had serious problems and believe me a piece of sausage would never have worked with him. Aversive’s and other tools have made him into a great loving family dog who I am so proud of but as Robert says every day is a training day with him.
@@Gypsygal23he is also selling his new dog very quickly to someone who can really train it, and setting fire to all his “positive only dog science books”🐕🐕
Zak’s world is imploding after he sees this video. Come on man, try training a Maligator with purely positive means till the pup expires. It doesn’t work that way.
My 4 month old Malinois girl trains me every day. My wife and stepdaughter use wimpy corrections for her over-energetic biting like "be nice". I give her a good slap on the snout and some strong words and sometimes more when she excitedly bites me during play. She doesn't bite me now, even in play. Yes, she gets PLENTY PLENTY of chew sticks and tug-of-war toys and loves playing tug-of-war-to-the-death with her humans. It's been really hard to train other humans how to correct her so she doesn't bite them during play.
Well there it is! I am hoping that this really can open up a more productive conversation with the all positive folks. The most important thing is the safety and well being of the dogs which means GOOD TRAINING! An effective trainer should have a solid working knowledge of all the tools and methods and know which to employ given that particular dog’s drives and behavior. That is the highest service of the dog. 💕🐕💕 I hope it works out for Veronica. I’m not to hot on the risk he is taking with this high prey drive dog and his small sweet prey like pet. Good luck Zack!
This mean no more circling the drain?Now trainers can start to align with one another and focus more on the dogs than how one trains? Not all about the money, these dogs need love ❤️
I have watched both yours and zaks channels and have used both methods of training for my dogs. Depending on the dog some training techniques work better then others for them. All my dogs have been high drive bird hunting dogs.
Right. Right. Scientific consensus never ever trained a dog. And...the fact that Zak used aversive control, doesn't mean he used it effectively, I just gotta say that. It's one thing to use physical spatial pressure in a moment of need and another to actually have aversives as a well thought through part of a behavior modification plan. I doubt Zak is doing that. I think he just spazzed, as I have seen him do in his videos, usually ending up with a dog bite in the process. LOL.
OMG... I LOVED this! Zach spews word salad that he clearly doesn't understand and in the process acknowledges that he uses adversives (albeit probably incorrectly, ineffectively or rarely). And it's good to know that Zach is capable of growing facial hair... that's the key takeaway. Robert, this almost makes me want to troll Zach's channel to see how he used an adversive.... almost.
Well, that guy has still a long way to go. In the moment he couldn't lead a fat kid to a candy shop. I am a big believer of hard, but few corrections. Nagging the dog with many, but useless is, in my book, more abusive than using one or two really though corrections and than give the dog his earned freedom for the rest of his life. From this point only maintenance of behaviours is aquired, wich is almost no negative at all but body language instead.
Boarding a shepherd as l type this. He's crazy!!! This boy would be jumping all over everyone, no manners. I'm trying to be sweet, but he doesn't understand that at all.
I had trouble following you. Comments so broken up, and flashes of Zac Goerge admitting using aversives. I own a Working Bred GSD in free [unfenced] mountain hillside, also populated with Hares/ rabbits. She wears an ecollar so she can safely enjoy her freedom. She was taught NOT to chase sheep on longline at about 12 months. I was told by a purely positive trainer, a Flirt Pole with a rabbit skin would be MORE motivating than the real thing!!!
I'd like to see this video of his in its entirety. I looked briefly but cant stand the word salad. Unfortunately I think he says these things and then talks in circles to denounce them directly after. I could be wrong but a tiger cant change its stripes. Sounds like Robert is just giving Zak a taste of his own medicine with this video? 😂
The scientific consensus does not say anything about aversives being ineffective or unnecessary. Only that aversives cause stress (usually in the learning process) and excessive or noncontingent aversives can lead a dog to shut down. Science has actually shown that aversives are extremely powerful learning tools (there are numerous old studies which show that brutal pain shuts down certain impulses). The scientific schtick is based on cherry picking studies and relaxing scientific rigor to force an 'ethically' motivated conclusion. Watch Cabral, Michael Ellis and Nate Schoemer among many others for proper training with aversives.
Brilliant comments, the logic of your last point may be lost on many people, I fear, but it's there for those that are interested in following it and in taking Zach's last linked comment to it0s logical conclusion. Zak has helped a lot of people to train their dogs and has no doubt contributed a lot of good, but it's really too bad he felt the need to create so much conflict and division with his ill-conceived crusade against any aversive techniques.
Our society is so sensitive and judgemental nowadays. When one of us dedicate his life to helping dogs and their owners. He still have to worry about what society might think if he is a little tough with the dog for his own good!! Instead of supporting the training and educating people the importance of having dogs happy and well behaved..we concentrate on how was the trainers..was he sweet and all loving. Did he kiss the dog..was he positive??? And by doing that we allowed a new generation of barbie style trainers and the real trainers are called not positive!! The next thing will be dogs deciding how they want to be trained and how the trainer should look like.
Wait. The same guy that posted a video not long ago about how abusive it is to train and use K9’s?? And thinks they should go away?? And took issue with the recent study on the efficacy of ecollar training in stopping chase behavior in dogs?? I think it’s a ploy on his part to trick balanced trainers into a bad situation.
Ive known pit bulls to suddenly turn when after 4 yrs of spoilt having his mum be his shadow..mum suddenly becomes the unbearable ball breaker and takes punishment the next level...hhmmmm. Different if the dog was used to it.,..ive got a good thing going, the best relationship and we are both happy...ok, he is a little naughty but harmless...ill put up with his chewing, getting his own way...just watch the news...unpredictable pits in unfamiliar uncomfortable sutuations they cant control enotions....im happy to keep him on good terms
Oh my dayz this is hilarious 😄 🤣 😂 👍 Every dog has his day Sir Robert.. I Think Zak should get a cat..or maybe a goldfish💡 🤔 💭 🐡 That's it ! Omg😮he could train goldfish how to swim, write a book all about it 📕 get sponsored to advertise aquarium shit & the world could be his lobster 🦞 😄 🤣 😂 Elvis has left the building 👉 🚪 🌭 👋
@@littleninjai222 Zak George constantly edits videos of other trainers constantly, using clips that are totally biased, just to suit his statements as that is the only way he can pretend to be a professional trainer, which he isn’t. I am just to glad he has a real serious dog that he admits that he has used “adverse” training just 24hrs into getting the dog, then admits that all trainers use the method at times in training contrary to all he has just spouted out continuously before. All I say is “Zak I wish you the best of luck with a piece of sausage” and welcome to the world of real serious dog owners and trainers. But I bet he will not show his true failings on video and will edit it all out to try and appease his only positive fans.
It's important when making a claim to include the link to the video you're using. As it is now, you're using cherry picked sound bites and likely out of context to support your argument without providing a source for us to view. As much as I would like Zak to start using a balanced training approach, but I'm a skeptic and I like to make my own mind up based on facts and evidence I have viewed instead of being spoon-fed an agenda. Zak has done enough damage.
I’ve watched two random videos of R. cabrals and they both showed he does not have a thorough understanding of behavioral principles. Having do many subscribers and speaking with authority using half-knowledge is highly misleading and unethical
Facts of Dog Training 🦮 The Use of Punishment Creates Stress in Animals. ... Punishments Can Strengthen Undesirable Behavior. ... Punishment Doesn't Teach What You Want. ... Reward Systems Drive All Behavior in All Animals. ... Good Dog Training Has Clearly Measurable Results.
Sadly that is not true. In fact, purely positive training will never stop an unwanted behavior. It is great for shaping behaviors and almost every good dog trainer uses rewards to shape and reward. Sadly a certain portion of dog trainers will never understand how to stop unwanted behavior and that is bad for dogs. Great for lying about stuff online, but no results will come from this.
@@RobertCabralDogs Genetic DNA code dictates behavior propensity, breeding aggressive dogs is immoral on several counts including having to use punishment as part of training. And I will repeat it again that when a cop is afraid of a criminal and sends his "best friend" into harm's way, as there is plenty of video evidence of cops sending the dog after armed criminals, those cops are cowards. I have a very hard time understanding why you support the people who engage in these activities.
@@rodvan-zeller6360 you're starting off with the assumption that I support breeding aggressive dogs.. I don't. I won't address any other issues since they will be taken out of context...
Breeding aggressive dogs is immoral... And you are the judge, of course... Aggressive dogs happen in every breed possible because "aggressive" behavior has many causes, and there is no simple genetics involved. So, Breeding or not, aggressive dogs will exist. What is immoral, though, is that these dogs are not given a chance through proven efficient ways of training because of perverted ideology of emotionally unstable people.
Every serious trainer told him to get a working dog and try positive only, the day he decides to prove them wrong, he meets reality
Why u think we didn't see that corso puppy again lol
Sack is not the man for a corso, pressa, dogo, rottweiler, GSD, malinois, dutchy or basically any other breed with a pulse and character
Sack hand picks his dogs ronwork with they have to be a certain type dog he knows that, we know that, there's just the idiot who follow him blindly yet to find out
😄 🤣 👍
Oh my dayz I detest this Zak George & you & The Dog daddy are my absolute heroes in dog training (and The Asher house & dogs4rescue in rescuing). I've just had to watch this several times. I have no words for my original response. I almost fainted 😄 🤣. Thank you sir. Wallace & gromit/Veronica..what more can be said 😬 🤭 🙄 🌭 🌭 😄 🤣 😂
Sack?
@ozzie444 I think he might mean sad sack 🤔 😄 🤣 😂 👍
He got a serious work dog and ish got real. Cookies and baby talk dont work on Tasmanian devils 😂
A momentous occasion "indeed". Congratulations, Zak! Let's celebrate Dog Training Today! much love to Robert and the crew!
Before I got my first dog I did a ton of research and watched as many videos as I could to try and prepare. I watched a lot of Zac’s videos and when I got my dog as a puppy I tried to implement Zac’s methods and I was beginning to be discouraged because it was not working. I was becoming concerned since she was getting older by the day and at times was a demon. I kept watching and looking for other suggestions, that’s when I came across Robert’s channel. I began to implement what I learned in Robert’s videos and within a day I was starting to see a change and after a week my dog was now listening and no longer a demon, basically a different dog lol she is now 5 and is the best behaved dog and I’ve never had an issues with her ever since watching Robert’s videos. Now I always suggest Robert’s channel to people who are getting dogs.
This is my story with my incredibly high prey drive border collie. She's almost 5 now but she was the veriest demon as a pup. Unfortunately I found Zac George before Robert 😢
She's the best girl ever now and I get loads of compliments about her obedience when we're out. Robert Cabral is the next best thing to God in my opinion
Wow, this is truly a pivotal moment in our industry. I'm so glad you shared this, Robert. Let's kindly welcome Zak George into the fold with open arms and stop this nonsensical divide in the training world. For the sake of dogs, ALL TRAINERS UNITE!
🤔 is Zak really even a trainer though 😒 🙄
Well played Robert, well played 👍👌
I have no respect for Zak. All he does is criticize trainers. I made a comment to him that I would like to see him with a problematic Shepherd, Mals, or pit. Once I see him with one and is able to train them, vs the little dogs he trains, maybe I would have a diff view of him. However, until now I have not seen that. I have seen him on crusades to take down trainers.
Yes, a Malinois will piss on his "positive training" methods and eat him for lunch. My strong-willed Mal girl does really well with firm corrections. With others, she has a very hard time telling the difference between rough PLAY and their firmest corrections. She still loves me even after firm, even harsh corrections. She is a very loving and playful dog, but so strong-willed I hope I get better at this and she matures and learns such that fewer and fewer corrections are needed.
Or a puppy. His training is only good for puppies. And thats about it tbh in my opinion.
Hasnt he been teaching his own dog, inertia, how to walk loosely on a leash for so long now? The ONLY time i seen her off leash is in a very controlled enviroment with very high value things. Zak and so many other people need to realize that fair corrections can do wonders for alot of dogs. Be honest, would you rather put your dog on pills or euthanize them for their reactivity or learn to tell them no?
Don't get too excited as Zak and his minions have already moved the goalpost and are now saying that he has always distinguished between "management" and "training" and his anti-aversive stance only applied to training and specifically professional trainers. In other words, do as I say, not as I do and it's OK for me to use aversive but not you.
Victoria stillwell I watched one of her shows when she gets in a vibe and gets talking about how dogs on their own will physically CORRECT….. I mean they will TEACH, yeah TEACH, the mother will teach their puppies not to misbehave.
She was obviously about to say “dogs correct themselves physically”, she catches herself and uses the word teach instead.
So these people, at least Victoria, she knows she’s full of S. She knows how dogs will correct themselves.
I can start to explain how angry that woman makes me it's un natural and out of character for me to feel the rage that women evokes from Deep in my soul
I recently talked to a positive only train.........
In actual fact she was a liar
She used a leash and collar, negative reenforcement
She withheld food rewards, which is negative punishment
This lady I speak of did a 5 day dog behaviour course and new charges 90 British pounds per hour for her services, me and my dog run absolute rings around her and her fat lazy lifeless boxer dog
Now before anyone thinks why am I talking to positive only trainers, I was actually doing a tiling job for the lady just by coincidence she happened to be a trainer
I used to watch her SO MUCH when i was younger, mainly for the drama that happens.
@@OliveAndJackie yeah I would only watch the first half to see how dogs can misbehave and then I would always change the episode. I’ve never been able to finish any of her episodes.
This is before I knew anything of fake training vs training.
I'm so glad for Zac. I think he will become a balanced dog trainner soon, which will benifits thousands of his fans on YT.
I think not 🤔 I think he needs a career change. I mean all he's done is ride on coat tails, wrote a book quoting references to other positive trainers, got paid for promoting dog treats & bully the hell out of other trainers..All he's proved to anyone is that he can't be trusted, he's a bully & a liar & he sure as hell can't train dogs..not to mention all the small businesses & other dog trainers he's tried to destroy by stirring up hate & protests outside the businesses holding seminars etc. 😠 Bye bye Zak 👋 🌭 😅
On this day, "Zak brought home a wonderful, fantastic, beautiful, fun, energetic Malinois cross." 😂
Once upon a time there was a brat called Zak George..THE END 😄 🤣 😂 🌭 🌭 👍
To use a crude analogy, you *can* drive using only the gas pedal, but you’ll eventually need to apply the brakes to stop. Unless your clients enjoy constantly running into the vehicle in front.
suddenly he realised a dog like a malinois/shepherd is going to walk all over him. "Oh you brought me treats? I will have them, but wait there a minute I'm busy with this"
Ahh…. The magician’s phony house of cards has fallen down 😂😂😂
Each dog needs different tools and training methods.
Yes they do
I have definitely learned this the hard way. I've owned many GS and grew up with a Dobbie. I got a Neo almost 2 years ago his training is so different from any breed I've owned before. If it wasn't for Robert I never would of found someone who knows this breed well enough to help me train my boy much less be ready to add a 2nd Neo in 6 months
@@ChampTheBeagle and so does ZG 😄 🤣
2 additional thoughts...
Who the hell sold Zak a Mal? and what's the over/under on how long until he rehomes it?
As a Mal owner, the last thing I want is all his positive only fan base thinking they should get a mal too... Hopefully he learns a lot from this new journey
@@kaligeisecke8716 ikr. If he gets a working dog that won't work on positive only and fakes it working for the dog, it's gonna get more dogs in shelters.
Thank you for these videos. My Maltese dog thanks you too. I began to watch your channel because of the beautiful kitchen. Those dogs were so happy that I watched the other videos. They were very helpful for my dog and I enjoyed watching the dogs learning and being happy in the process.
Wow...holy cow!!!! This is amazing!
Oh an early Christmas miracle!! As I have posted on Zak's channel, how many dogs has he trained on obedience that is more than 30 lbs. I guess now, he was dealt with a Mal, a REAL DOG!!
I hope Zack doesn't revert to purely positive methods. I've seen some good high-drive dogs ruined by positive only training 😞.
Some People are slow learners. Very slow learners.
And then they forget.
finally. after 5 years, Zak has accepted reality.
Zak George, welcome to our world of serious and correct training methods for a very serious dog. But I have a feeling things are not going to work out the way you hope when you revert to your only positive ways and gosh I will be laughing sorry when that piece of hot dog doesn’t work out well for you and why not try the harnesses you love so much 😂😂
🌭 🌭 😂👍
Great discourse on the topic.
Don't worry Zak, we support your right to use adversive techniques for training.
Zak is a critic of most great dog trainers. ... shame on him he's one of the worst
Love your rascally tone Robert!
And welcome to the fold Zac George!!!
Hi Robert I have finally solve the dominant issue with my two dogs!! ❤ No postive trainer could help but through much pain I buster the theory there nothing you can do but seperate. ❤ Cesar millan was the foundation to follow. 😊😊
Oh wow, the "trainer" who's own dog after like 5 years of training it can't heel properly or recall off leash under distraction, didn't really know what he was talking about? Can't say i'm shocked. But glad if this opens more people's eyes to the realities of this sales jingle of "positive only" dog training
I live in Boca Raton. There’s a positive only trainer here in Boca. And her entire social media is throwing treats on the ground and blaming tools.
Then there’s just trainers in the area who are doing their best to get their clients results.
The difference? Not positive reinforcement- just about every trainer understands the power of reward dogs with food or toys. The positive focus on the tool, and others want to help people and dogs reach their full potential. I tell my clients - abuse is in the heart, not in the tool. I can use a hammer to help you or hurt you.
Zak is about to get a great education, similar to young ppl who have their first baby. 🍿🥤
SPEECHLSS>>>>>>>>>> WOW about time he woke up!
He is “Woke” after all
I would definitely get that printed, because Zach will change it and it will disappear. But, he needs to realize that he is and does use aversion.
It’s a shame it’s taken a “real dog”for him to understand strictly using R+ is not possible especially for working breeds with deeply ingrained genetics. Well done Robert!
"Scientific consensus" is a political term used to enforce conformity. The term is used to achieve a goal or create change. Not so scientific. 😅
I very much enjoyed watching Robert point out Zacks hiporacy and watching him try to justify his act. 🤣👍
That guy is a joke. Nothing will change my mind.
Totally agree, would love to see him try and work with one of my rehomed GSD’s who had serious problems and believe me a piece of sausage would never have worked with him. Aversive’s and other tools have made him into a great loving family dog who I am so proud of but as Robert says every day is a training day with him.
Rumour has it he's off somewhere selling hotdogs & humble pie 🌭 🥧 😂
@@Gypsygal23he is also selling his new dog very quickly to someone who can really train it, and setting fire to all his “positive only dog science books”🐕🐕
Zak’s world is imploding after he sees this video.
Come on man, try training a Maligator with purely positive means till the pup expires. It doesn’t work that way.
ZG for the gold 🥇!
Maybe Zac met the dog daddy !!! I love the way you cut that clip ! I wonder how he likes it ?
awesome!!!!!❤
100%. Period.
Hahaha a malinois will def make sure adversive techniques come into the equation.
Love it 😂
My 4 month old Malinois girl trains me every day. My wife and stepdaughter use wimpy corrections for her over-energetic biting like "be nice". I give her a good slap on the snout and some strong words and sometimes more when she excitedly bites me during play. She doesn't bite me now, even in play. Yes, she gets PLENTY PLENTY of chew sticks and tug-of-war toys and loves playing tug-of-war-to-the-death with her humans. It's been really hard to train other humans how to correct her so she doesn't bite them during play.
Nicely 👌 done
Well there it is! I am hoping that this really can open up a more productive conversation with the all positive folks. The most important thing is the safety and well being of the dogs which means GOOD TRAINING! An effective trainer should have a solid working knowledge of all the tools and methods and know which to employ given that particular dog’s drives and behavior. That is the highest service of the dog. 💕🐕💕 I hope it works out for Veronica. I’m not to hot on the risk he is taking with this high prey drive dog and his small sweet prey like pet. Good luck Zack!
@@cecespack Omg 😲 😬 🤭
This mean no more circling the drain?Now trainers can start to align with one another and focus more on the dogs than how one trains? Not all about the money, these dogs need love ❤️
Oh man he's so close 😂
I have watched both yours and zaks channels and have used both methods of training for my dogs. Depending on the dog some training techniques work better then others for them. All my dogs have been high drive bird hunting dogs.
Right. Right. Scientific consensus never ever trained a dog. And...the fact that Zak used aversive control, doesn't mean he used it effectively, I just gotta say that. It's one thing to use physical spatial pressure in a moment of need and another to actually have aversives as a well thought through part of a behavior modification plan. I doubt Zak is doing that. I think he just spazzed, as I have seen him do in his videos, usually ending up with a dog bite in the process. LOL.
OMG... I LOVED this! Zach spews word salad that he clearly doesn't understand and in the process acknowledges that he uses adversives (albeit probably incorrectly, ineffectively or rarely). And it's good to know that Zach is capable of growing facial hair... that's the key takeaway. Robert, this almost makes me want to troll Zach's channel to see how he used an adversive.... almost.
I can’t seem to find the video you’re talking about. Is it not on TH-cam?
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The dog, Wallace, didn’t seem like an overly hyper dog in the video. I’d like to see a more difficult dog in one of his videos.
Science that can't be applied is junk to me. I have a dog. A real dog, not a thought experiment or hypothetical game.
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Great video!!! Can we see the zack george's official video somewhere???
"Don't do that don't do that don't do that!! " *no result
*confused dog
*frustrated owner
*precious time wasted......
Well, that guy has still a long way to go. In the moment he couldn't lead a fat kid to a candy shop. I am a big believer of hard, but few corrections. Nagging the dog with many, but useless is, in my book, more abusive than using one or two really though corrections and than give the dog his earned freedom for the rest of his life. From this point only maintenance of behaviours is aquired, wich is almost no negative at all but body language instead.
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Boarding a shepherd as l type this. He's crazy!!! This boy would be jumping all over everyone, no manners. I'm trying to be sweet, but he doesn't understand that at all.
Spatial pressure ? Gees, there are some evil people 😅
if you give zack frog eyes a reactive cane corso we would all see how little his talent in dogtraining is
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I had trouble following you. Comments so broken up, and flashes of Zac Goerge admitting using aversives. I own a Working Bred GSD in free [unfenced] mountain hillside, also populated with Hares/ rabbits. She wears an ecollar so she can safely enjoy her freedom. She was taught NOT to chase sheep on longline at about 12 months. I was told by a purely positive trainer, a Flirt Pole with a rabbit skin would be MORE motivating than the real thing!!!
Hi Robert, long time in coming but great news. I need to contact you on your site and will do so. Hope all is well. Laura.
God bless the Super Soaker.
I'd like to see this video of his in its entirety. I looked briefly but cant stand the word salad. Unfortunately I think he says these things and then talks in circles to denounce them directly after. I could be wrong but a tiger cant change its stripes. Sounds like Robert is just giving Zak a taste of his own medicine with this video? 😂
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The scientific consensus does not say anything about aversives being ineffective or unnecessary. Only that aversives cause stress (usually in the learning process) and excessive or noncontingent aversives can lead a dog to shut down. Science has actually shown that aversives are extremely powerful learning tools (there are numerous old studies which show that brutal pain shuts down certain impulses). The scientific schtick is based on cherry picking studies and relaxing scientific rigor to force an 'ethically' motivated conclusion. Watch Cabral, Michael Ellis and Nate Schoemer among many others for proper training with aversives.
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Brilliant comments, the logic of your last point may be lost on many people, I fear, but it's there for those that are interested in following it and in taking Zach's last linked comment to it0s logical conclusion.
Zak has helped a lot of people to train their dogs and has no doubt contributed a lot of good, but it's really too bad he felt the need to create so much conflict and division with his ill-conceived crusade against any aversive techniques.
Im on a good wicket my pit loves me and video versa...I wouldn't push it
Our society is so sensitive and judgemental nowadays. When one of us dedicate his life to helping dogs and their owners. He still have to worry about what society might think if he is a little tough with the dog for his own good!! Instead of supporting the training and educating people the importance of having dogs happy and well behaved..we concentrate on how was the trainers..was he sweet and all loving. Did he kiss the dog..was he positive??? And by doing that we allowed a new generation of barbie style trainers and the real trainers are called not positive!!
The next thing will be dogs deciding how they want to be trained and how the trainer should look like.
Zak only good with treats in his pocket.
So , maybe somebody used a bonker on Zac !! ………….. he has seen the light ………
Wait. The same guy that posted a video not long ago about how abusive it is to train and use K9’s?? And thinks they should go away??
And took issue with the recent study on the efficacy of ecollar training in stopping chase behavior in dogs??
I think it’s a ploy on his part to trick balanced trainers into a bad situation.
It is extremely hard to believe....I'm not sure I do yet.
@@1packatak dudes got an agenda...
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Ive known pit bulls to suddenly turn when after 4 yrs of spoilt having his mum be his shadow..mum suddenly becomes the unbearable ball breaker and takes punishment the next level...hhmmmm.
Different if the dog was used to it.,..ive got a good thing going, the best relationship and we are both happy...ok, he is a little naughty but harmless...ill put up with his chewing, getting his own way...just watch the news...unpredictable pits in unfamiliar uncomfortable sutuations they cant control enotions....im happy to keep him on good terms
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Oh my dayz this is hilarious 😄 🤣 😂 👍 Every dog has his day Sir Robert.. I Think Zak should get a cat..or maybe a goldfish💡 🤔 💭 🐡 That's it ! Omg😮he could train goldfish how to swim, write a book all about it 📕 get sponsored to advertise aquarium shit & the world could be his lobster 🦞 😄 🤣 😂 Elvis has left the building 👉 🚪 🌭 👋
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Why does Cabral unethically edit Zak's video?
Have you seen all the videos Zak has used without permission and editing to fit his narrative (the one to keep his sponsors $$$ happy).
@@littleninjai222 Zak George constantly edits videos of other trainers constantly, using clips that are totally biased, just to suit his statements as that is the only way he can pretend to be a professional trainer, which he isn’t. I am just to glad he has a real serious dog that he admits that he has used “adverse” training just 24hrs into getting the dog, then admits that all trainers use the method at times in training contrary to all he has just spouted out continuously before. All I say is “Zak I wish you the best of luck with a piece of sausage” and welcome to the world of real serious dog owners and trainers. But I bet he will not show his true failings on video and will edit it all out to try and appease his only positive fans.
Surely not evangelical Mr George!!!! next you will be saying Mrs Stillunwell is joining him😂😂😂😂
Zak has a face I just don’t trust!
Lol you can’t be serious
It's important when making a claim to include the link to the video you're using. As it is now, you're using cherry picked sound bites and likely out of context to support your argument without providing a source for us to view. As much as I would like Zak to start using a balanced training approach, but I'm a skeptic and I like to make my own mind up based on facts and evidence I have viewed instead of being spoon-fed an agenda. Zak has done enough damage.
I’ve watched two random videos of R. cabrals and they both showed he does not have a thorough understanding of behavioral principles. Having do many subscribers and speaking with authority using half-knowledge is highly misleading and unethical
Robert Cabral, why are you lying about what Zak said? Is lying the only way you can fight for your training methods?
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Sadly that is not true. In fact, purely positive training will never stop an unwanted behavior. It is great for shaping behaviors and almost every good dog trainer uses rewards to shape and reward. Sadly a certain portion of dog trainers will never understand how to stop unwanted behavior and that is bad for dogs. Great for lying about stuff online, but no results will come from this.
@@RobertCabralDogs Genetic DNA code dictates behavior propensity, breeding aggressive dogs is immoral on several counts including having to use punishment as part of training.
And I will repeat it again that when a cop is afraid of a criminal and sends his "best friend" into harm's way, as there is plenty of video evidence of cops sending the dog after armed criminals, those cops are cowards. I have a very hard time understanding why you support the people who engage in these activities.
@@rodvan-zeller6360 you're starting off with the assumption that I support breeding aggressive dogs.. I don't. I won't address any other issues since they will be taken out of context...
@@RobertCabralDogs Thank you for the reply. Respectfully understood.
Breeding aggressive dogs is immoral...
And you are the judge, of course...
Aggressive dogs happen in every breed possible because "aggressive" behavior has many causes, and there is no simple genetics involved.
So, Breeding or not, aggressive dogs will exist.
What is immoral, though, is that these dogs are not given a chance through proven efficient ways of training because of perverted ideology of emotionally unstable people.