The JOKE That ENDED An NFL Player's CAREER | Paul Palmer (1988 Chiefs)

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    In 1988, prior to an NFL game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Kansas City Chiefs running back Paul Palmer was so fed up with head coach Frank Gansz that he said that he would intentionally fumble the ball just so that he gets fired. As you can probably expect, whether it was a joke or whether he was being completely serious, that did not go over so well with everyone else. This is the story behind the drama and controversy.
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    Members of the 1988 Chiefs:
    Kelly Goodburn
    Nick Lowery
    Bill Kenney
    Steve DeBerg
    Deron Cherry
    James Saxon
    Calvin Loveall
    Greg Hill
    JC Pearson
    David Hollis
    Paul Palmer
    Kevin Porter
    Albert Lewis
    Kevin Ross
    Larry Moriarty
    Lloyd Burruss
    Christian Okoye
    Keyvan Jenkins
    Herman Heard
    Sidney Johnson
    Kenny Gamble
    Jack Del Rio
    Adam Lingner
    Angelo Snipes
    Todd Howard
    Tim Cofield
    Louis Cooper
    Dino Hackett
    Chris Martin
    Tom Baugh
    Andy Hawkins
    Byron Ingram
    Mark Adickes
    Ron McLean
    Bill Maas
    James Harvey
    Gerry Feehery
    Curt DiGiacomo
    Mike Stensrud
    Jerome Sally
    Don Thorp
    Dave Lutz
    Brian Jozwiak
    Irv Eatman
    John Alt
    Rich Baldinger
    Rod Jones
    Darrell Colbert
    Kitrick Taylor
    Stephone Paige
    Jonathan Hayes
    Emile Harry
    Alfredo Roberts
    Carlos Carson
    Neil Smith
    Gary Baldinger
    Jerry McCabe
    Dee Hardison
    Troy Stedman
    Aaron Pearson
    Leonard Griffin
    Mike Bell
    Lamar Hunt (owner)
    Frank Gansz (head coach)

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  • @casmrtblnd
    @casmrtblnd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've known Paul Palmer (Boo Boo to his friends) since we were in high school together in Potomac, Maryland at Winston Churchill High School. He was one of the coolest, kindest people in school! I'm POSITIVE he meant it as a joke! What a shame that it was taken that way!! It was their loss, too!!!

  • @fredkruse9444
    @fredkruse9444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    "He Bishop Sycamored his way to a head coaching job." Too funny!

    • @TheOtherBradBird
      @TheOtherBradBird 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Frustrating watching others be so easily hoodwinked. Look into Bishop Sycamore's opposition, IMG Academy. They're just as fake a school. Only difference is prosperity.

    • @flyabusa
      @flyabusa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheOtherBradBird except that IMG academy has an actual, physical address for their campus that exists. IMG players don't have to sleep on the floor of the coach's house or steal food from grocery stores to eat. IMG players don't go around assaulting homeless men at the behest of their coach. Last I checked, the IMG head coach didn't make a habit of not paying bus companies and hotels, nor does the head coach of IMG have an active warrant out for his arrest nor pending litigation for fraud an unpaid debts.
      But if you want to keep comparing apples to space shuttles, you do you.

    • @TheOtherBradBird
      @TheOtherBradBird 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@flyabusa The only meaningful difference you mentioned is money. IMG is a government funded private school where tuition can run up to $80,000 yearly, the football squad practices in multimillion dollar facilities, and coaching staff has regular contact with collegiate and professional scouts.
      Meanwhile Bishop Sycamore is homeless, practices in a literal field, and can hardly afford to maintain its equipment.
      I know who I'm rooting for - the desperate kids giving everything they have for one last shot at getting a scholarship anywhere they can and the coach willing to risk jail-time to get them there - not the kids whose parents can shovel my yearly salary to an NFL prep-school so their spawn can attend D1 schools on full-ride scholarships they never needed in the first place.
      So who's your team: Yankees or Dodgers?

    • @Insertquartertocontinue
      @Insertquartertocontinue 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheOtherBradBird Love the analogy

    • @MAWA-Vik19
      @MAWA-Vik19 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I kind of liked both or your replies, tbh.

  • @SoftDrinksOfChoice
    @SoftDrinksOfChoice 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This channel is so much better than most of the NFL ones on TH-cam bc it covers stuff most people haven't heard of before instead of rehashing the same crap over & over.

    • @YTC1234
      @YTC1234 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      TH-cam sports channels are like an echo chamber.

  • @igotjams1
    @igotjams1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    As bad as things went for Paul Palmer, he still managed to make it into the Hall of Fame
    Temple University Hall of Fame, that is

    • @RobShamar
      @RobShamar 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup That’s my uncle

    • @PaulPalmer-rs1fo
      @PaulPalmer-rs1fo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      …& THE College Football Hall of Fame!

  • @adamdobrowolski2510
    @adamdobrowolski2510 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Galling irony to learn Frank Gansz claim he suspended somebody for the sake of the integrity of the game. Gansz lied about his combat history to get that head coaching spot. If was a player on that team, any claims of "integrity" would fall on deaf ears.

  • @littleblackduck3134
    @littleblackduck3134 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    He has a pretty good highlight reel

    • @PaulPalmer-rs1fo
      @PaulPalmer-rs1fo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Strange how that works, huh?! Thank you!

  • @denisceballos9745
    @denisceballos9745 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Such potential, never fully realized. You look at these hi-lite reels and can see he had speed, moves, size. Yet, he played on six different teams in a short six year pro career.

    • @d0nKsTaH
      @d0nKsTaH 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Agree.
      Some players really need to find that one team early on... there was obviously some bad blood that led to all of this.
      Guy was talented... maybe should have been taken by another team in the draft and who knows?

    • @joeterzio7175
      @joeterzio7175 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Size? He was like 5'9" and 180 lbs. That's part of the reason why he never could reliably run the ball -- too small. In today's game he'd be a third down specialist but they didn't have a ton of those back then.

    • @mr.p2007
      @mr.p2007 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joeterzio7175 No, in today's game he'd be a slot receiver, and possibly the best... 🤴🏿

    • @joeterzio7175
      @joeterzio7175 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mr.p2007 He never played receiver in college or pros so assuming the same happened today, he still wouldn't be perfect for slot. How many running backs are slot receivers?

    • @mr.p2007
      @mr.p2007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@joeterzio7175 today's game is more of a passing game, and it's a natural fit for his attributes. 🤴🏿

  • @nathandebartolo8330
    @nathandebartolo8330 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    My former co-worker Lee Saltz was the quarterback on that Temple team. I had to laugh when he randomly showed up at 1:39.

    • @robkeel100
      @robkeel100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow! Where did you work?

  • @billquantrill4960
    @billquantrill4960 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I remember that era of Chiefs football. Dark days for us Chiefs fans.

    • @stephengrinkley9889
      @stephengrinkley9889 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Seems like it was a real toxic environment before Marty got there

    • @billquantrill4960
      @billquantrill4960 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@stephengrinkley9889 People never react to constant losing very well. It doesn't bring out the best in people.

    • @philipsmith6424
      @philipsmith6424 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And a dark day in 2020 against the Buccaneers !!!😂😂😂

    • @killmonger8796
      @killmonger8796 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Phillip Smith Just cloudy. Not dark when you're favored to return. Can't win every game. But go off.

    • @Johnny.1965
      @Johnny.1965 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think we'll make several trips to the big game over the next few years...

  • @CZECHMATE650
    @CZECHMATE650 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I had a cousin who went to Temple & got to see Palmer play there. He made the Defense look like they were in slow motion.

  • @karlcooper8460
    @karlcooper8460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    He would have been a perfect fit with today's chiefs teams super talent and a free spirit.

  • @nasetvideos
    @nasetvideos 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Such an interesting story--Always be careful with what you say and how others may take it....Just another example of that, for sure. Great story

  • @tygrkhat4087
    @tygrkhat4087 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    It takes years to build a reputation; seconds to ruin it.

    • @GetBenched2010
      @GetBenched2010 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ricky Watters knows all about that.

    • @leo.girardi
      @leo.girardi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, and it could have taken seconds to tell that story. He could probably take 20 min to explain how to boil water.

  • @erichaynes7502
    @erichaynes7502 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The joke didn't end Palmer's career he scored a TD against the Chiefs the next year when he was on the Cowboys! And it must be noted Palmer was 1st on the Chiefs, horrible coach/team. Then the Lions, another atrocious coach/team plus Gansz was the ST coach! Then Palmer had to go to the 1-15 rotten Cowboys Palmer got screwed by ALL THREE TEAMS!

    • @niss2142
      @niss2142 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. What's worst? Saying I'm going to fumble or beating your wife. The suspension was not warranted. Those teams stunk and the coaches didn't know how to use him.

  • @jondoe406
    @jondoe406 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rather impressive highlight reel for a guy I've never heard of

  • @CTubeMan
    @CTubeMan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    You said Palmer’s statement might have been a joke. This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made another video about another player with Philadelphia connections who made a “joke” about his own quarterback. That player was Wide Receiver Gary Ballman. Ballman “joked” about Norm Snead, and the year was 1967.

  • @karlcooper8460
    @karlcooper8460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Remember the nes-tea plunge that was a cute little endzone ditty.

  • @rxtsec1
    @rxtsec1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My uncle played for Bruce Arians at Temple

  • @ecembrew
    @ecembrew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    As a Cowboys fan, I remember the great game he had at RFK to be the Skins for the only win in 89

  • @MilsurpMikeChannel
    @MilsurpMikeChannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I started watching the Chiefs as a kid in 1986 and still remember Palmer being a bust... I didn't know this was the reason. Thank you for these last couple videos.

    • @Trandview
      @Trandview 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeap, same here. Didn't know this detail......

    • @rticle15
      @rticle15 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I dont truly think it is the reason. If he played like Barry Sanders, he would have stayed. Schottenheimer simplys cut their third best running back.

  • @diaz5292
    @diaz5292 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    "It undermines the integrity of the game." Well, c'mon now. The game has no integrity. It has the integrity of a carny run circus freak show...lol

    • @davidcobb2693
      @davidcobb2693 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      And to think the coach who suspended him had LIED about just about everything in his past! Kinda makes you rethink, "How hard can it be to be a Special Teams Coach?"

    • @fomori2
      @fomori2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ""It undermines the integrity of the game." "--
      I find it funny a guy who lied about his past is reprimanding someone else about integrity. That guy is such a sociopath that he should have gone into politics, where a lack of integrity gets you elected for decades.

    • @paxhumana2015
      @paxhumana2015 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fomori2 , et al, how about you lot?

    • @Rick_Sanchez_C137_
      @Rick_Sanchez_C137_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Anyone remember the 49ers having short yardage to go and kicking a field goal on the THIRD down late in the fourth so, so that they won the game but failed to beat the point spread? Even the commentators mentioned the point spread and kicking with that short of yardage never happens on the third down……
      Sometimes, the game is as predetermined as professional wrestling….

    • @drewberrynews3875
      @drewberrynews3875 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      a lil more tegrity than boxin in Las Vegas though...but not much

  • @backgroundhustlin
    @backgroundhustlin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    From a small black neighborhood (Scotland) in Potomac, MD to a Heisman trophy runner up. Paul (Boo Boo) Palmer is a legend in Montgomery County. I went to Churchill HS, played the same position in the 90's and lived in the same neighborhood for some years
    I remember shaking his hand before the state championship game at Byrd Stadium (University of Maryland) in 1995 against Dunbar of Baltimore.

    • @mr.p2007
      @mr.p2007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Who are you? This is Sauce, WCHS COF'88 RB#22

    • @mr.p2007
      @mr.p2007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Okay, Dre tells me your Ben's son Leon.

    • @backgroundhustlin
      @backgroundhustlin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Mr. P Yup...#4 COF '96. You played with Mark and Tracy. One of the best teams in WCHS history.

    • @PaulPalmer-rs1fo
      @PaulPalmer-rs1fo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      #DMV STANDUP!!’

  • @dsmscenester
    @dsmscenester 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love how you squeezed in a Bishop Syracuse reference!! 😁😁😁

    • @lloydmarshalljr1951
      @lloydmarshalljr1951 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      IKR? Bishop Sycamore ---> the gift that *KEEPS ON GIVING.*

  • @patricianoel8570
    @patricianoel8570 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As a Chiefs fan for some time I can say that they weren't the well oiled machine that they are today. In 1988 they were the Houston Texans or Cincinnati Bengals of that Era. I am sure Palmer was not the first player in the NFL to make a remark like that. Wasn't it reported that Randy Moss once said that he took plays off during the game. It was reported that Karl Peterson fired Gunther Cunningham as head coach because the team quit on him in his second season. Isn't quiting on a coach practically the same thing? That is what I thought the Falcons were trying to do last year with Dan Quinn (remember the onside kick debacle at Dallas). No, the Chiefs were a bad organization back then. Palmer's apology should have been accepted and the team move on, Like the Rodgers GB situation.

    • @erichaynes7502
      @erichaynes7502 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep, 1988 was the last of the 1972-1988 dark era in K.C. it sucked for Palmer and everybody else those years.
      I don't think the team quit on Gunter in his 2nd season he basically had the same record as his 1st season..Gunter had bland Grbac as the QB he just wasn't all that great. Vermeil came in and did a little better because he had Trent Green. More dark years with Todd Haley + Romeo followed then we got a great coach in Andy Reid, except his family is really rough around the edges.

  • @Staceyatkinson4496
    @Staceyatkinson4496 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Advice to all rookies and veterans, keep your mouths shut

  • @auntrayjones625
    @auntrayjones625 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    So a guy who lied to get a NFL coaching job suspended a player who made a poor joke. Wow

    • @diaz5292
      @diaz5292 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes. Yes, that is correct.

    • @juaneduardo504
      @juaneduardo504 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      🙄 .....

    • @reilneid6436
      @reilneid6436 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And......🤔

    • @chrisledbetter9278
      @chrisledbetter9278 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That really doesn’t make any difference. If you are dumb enough to make a statement like that, you deserve to be suspended. No matter what the coach has done.

    • @Michelle-kc8ht
      @Michelle-kc8ht 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@chrisledbetter9278 Yeah, bosses are super cool. Let's always root for the boss.

  • @lambdalambdalambda257
    @lambdalambdalambda257 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Temple currently has more head coaches holding head coaching positions in the NFL then Alabama and USC combined.

    • @bigdaddycountry7
      @bigdaddycountry7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      As far as Bama is concerned Nick Saban has been at Alabama for 15 seasons and makes more money than most NFL head coaches. Temple has had more head coach turn over.

  • @jameschambers5396
    @jameschambers5396 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I was a free agent rookie running back in the 1988 KC Chiefs camp and to this day still friends with many of my teammates there. I didn't know about any of Paul Palmer's troubles there until watching this video. Thanks for the knowledge.
    I can verify that Paul was indeed a great running back that was not utilized enough times or in enough ways to make an impact. I can also verify that the coaching situation there in 1988 was "troublingly deceitful."
    Despite being an undersized Fullback, the coaches liked my play and approached me after practice one day with an ultimatum. They asked me to meet them in the training room, where the two coaches in question each stood on opposite sides of me, one holding a box of syringes and the other holding an empty box. If you want to know more, please feel free to reach out to me. I can also let you know about a conversation I had with Whitey Duvall, the Director of Player Personnel that year regarding the running backs final roster spot choice that could have dramatically changed NFL history.

    • @asayles23
      @asayles23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Damn I’m interested in hearing this story someone should definitely interview you

    • @frankcastle4435
      @frankcastle4435 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      James please I need to hear this story. Do you remember playing with Larry Moriarty? He had a few good years with the oilers

    • @jameschambers5396
      @jameschambers5396 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@frankcastle4435 yes, I knew Mo.

    • @frankcastle4435
      @frankcastle4435 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for responding Mr James, my dad was huge ND Fan and he absolutely loved Larry. Do you got any good stories about him? Also I would absolutely love to hear your story

    • @frankcastle4435
      @frankcastle4435 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      James did Larry get hurt his last few years? I was a little kid back then but I remember his first few years with the oilers he put up some good stats. I think in 84 he had close to 800 yards rushing and 7 touchdowns

  • @erichaynes7502
    @erichaynes7502 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm from KC the Chiefs were an absolute trainwreck from 1972 - 1988. We only made the playoffs ONCE in those 17 seasons and we lost to the freakin' JETS. Yes, the JETS!

    • @jondoe406
      @jondoe406 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Looking at the 88 roster they actually had some good players in Neil Smith, Deron Cherry, Jack Del Rio, Okoye, DeBerg and Nick Lowry. Surprised they were that bad.

    • @erichaynes7502
      @erichaynes7502 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jondoe406 That season was the final straw, something had to change..bringing in a new GM and HC for 89 brought the fans back. Since then KC has had 7 head coaches and we've been to the playoffs with 4 of them. The other 3 head coaches were busts and didn't last long. Reid is by far the best coach since Hank Stram but his personal life is really really rough.

  • @Highley1958
    @Highley1958 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Great job packing a 30-second story into 13 minutes.

    • @evanchristian1751
      @evanchristian1751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow, I’m exiting this video right now because you are so right…

    • @matthewlong2667
      @matthewlong2667 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Saucy

  • @karlcooper8460
    @karlcooper8460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Him and pat Mahomes would have made an awesome combination had Paul palmer been born much later than he was not to mention Andy Reid would have just blown off that joke I believe.

    • @mayduck1
      @mayduck1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Andy Reid is so respected by most that hardly anyone would say that about him unlike Ganz who was inept and a fraud,

    • @karlcooper8460
      @karlcooper8460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mayduck1 Ganz was probably insecure and the supersensitive type.

  • @d0nKsTaH
    @d0nKsTaH 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I suspect this has happened a LOT in the history of the NFL.
    One particular story that believe (but have no proof) of is Marcus Allen's infamous fumble which caused Al Davis to purely hate him thereafter.
    Allen became second fiddle to a lot of other running backs in an attempt to displace him but he did well enough to stay... though neither party wanted that.
    You should do a story (if you haven't already) about that fumble and the fallout afterward.
    Allen spent years on the team thereafter and pretty much the situation really did hurt the Raiders.
    A wasted few years there... and if I'm not mistaken... Allen went in as a Chief to the HoF... (waits for someone to check)

    • @UnbowedUnbentUnbroken93
      @UnbowedUnbentUnbroken93 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I checked, he didn't go in as a Chief but his relationship with Al was horrible when he did get inducted into the HOF

  • @diaz5292
    @diaz5292 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's like the old saying goes: Offense wins games, Schottenheimer wins championships.

    • @jeffy6903
      @jeffy6903 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Except that he never even won a conference championship....

    • @UserName-ts3sp
      @UserName-ts3sp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      never did but okay

    • @jogendron6320
      @jogendron6320 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Elway has all his championships.
      “Do I hate John Elway? No, he’s a great competitor, my wife hates John Elway though”
      -MS

    • @diaz5292
      @diaz5292 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jeffy6903 yep. That's why it's funny! Lol

    • @diaz5292
      @diaz5292 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@UserName-ts3sp Yep. That's right, lol

  • @nintendoconvert4045
    @nintendoconvert4045 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sadly, his comment actually didn’t even say dropping the balls would be on purpose. I think what he meant was “if I did fumble, as much as it would suck for me and my team, if the end result was the coach getting fired, that’s at least 1 good outcome. Focus on the greater good.”
    I.e. “I don’t want to get fired from my job. But if I did, I might be able to find an even better opportunity and I would have more time to do so.” That is not the same as saying “I hope I get fired”.

  • @mr.p2007
    @mr.p2007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You neglected to mention he was an All-Pro as a Kick Returner in '87 as a rookie, and had three of the six total 100 yard receiving games by Running Backs in the NFL in '88. 🤴🏿

    • @EFFamily
      @EFFamily 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not really special tbh. Like oh boy you took advantage of garbage time by catching dump off passes in a blowout? And kick returner all pro? Ok yeah

  • @poletooke4691
    @poletooke4691 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Apparently taking your equipment off and throwing up peace signs as you exit is even faster. Literally zero words needed.

  • @richsheer4905
    @richsheer4905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was at that Temple-Rutgers game around the 2:00 mark. Freshman year.

  • @zkman1762
    @zkman1762 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Remember, when someone says their joking there is always a bit of truth.

  • @markbrian7179
    @markbrian7179 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Paul Palmer was one of the best player's in Temple's history.

    • @mccmcc33
      @mccmcc33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cosby is the best player in Temple history, but he may have been using performance enhancing drugs.

  • @VTPSTTU
    @VTPSTTU 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    While he maybe shouldn't have said what he said, I'd have to know the real context to condemn the comment this hard. If he said it in a joking way and everyone understood it that way, then the coaches overreacted. They sound like a group of thin-skinned coaches who were bad at their jobs and overly sensitive about someone saying what everyone felt. Maybe he really had that bad an attitude. On the other hand, maybe the poor coaching brought out the worst in everyone and he simply expressed everyone's frustration. I'd love to know what his fumble ratio was when he played for the Cowboys. If he continued to fumble, he may have just been a mediocre running back. If his running average improved and the fumbles reduced, then maybe he was a little better that what happened to him. That the Cowboys let him go isn't surprising after they drafted Emmitt Smith.

  • @JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly
    @JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    After seeing videos like this, you begin to see just how Marty was so important for the Chiefs.

    • @MilsurpMikeChannel
      @MilsurpMikeChannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      There would be no NFL team still in KC if it weren't for Marty.

    • @robertsettle2590
      @robertsettle2590 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MilsurpMikeChannel WHAT???!!!! You're delusional MATE! The CHIEFS were not going anywhere then or ever.

    • @slimischillin7753
      @slimischillin7753 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@robertsettle2590 before Marty, those were lean times. And the chiefs were terrible. Arrowhead was not what it is now. Marty and Carl Peterson created the culture of arrowhead stadium you see today

    • @robertsettle2590
      @robertsettle2590 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@slimischillin7753 your exactly right and I remember them well. Those were times that truly tested whether you were an absolute K.C. CHIEFS fan. I can remember in the little town that I'm from in Southwest Missoura, they gave away tons tickets to the games. Nobody wanted a Chiefs ticket or tickets except true K.C. CHIEFS fans like myself and a few others. So when they got rid of Ganz and Steadman and brought in Marty & Carl we were ELATED. We knew that Lamar was serious for the first time since the early 1960's and things were going to be better. So now as I have enter my 100th year on this planet, all is good in
      CHIEF'S KINGDOM.

    • @MilsurpMikeChannel
      @MilsurpMikeChannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@robertsettle2590 You had KC Comets games that were outselling the Chiefs at points in the 1980s. We were lucky enough to live where we could turn the antenna around to pick up the blacked out games on the Joplin stations. If their mid-70s-1980s futility continued into the 90s, the Chiefs could very well have moved. Lamar Hunt lived in Texas (and the Hunt family still lives in Texas) so there is really no loyalty to the city. If another city threw billions of dollars and a new stadium at him, say Baltimore, Houston, or LA, and the Chiefs still played blacked out games in front of 11K fans, Hunt would have been crazy not to move. I remember being in grade school just hoping they would hire Schottenheimer and was ecstatic when they did.

  • @jrod75
    @jrod75 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Insightful video. You need to do another first round draft dud from the late 80’s. In 1988, the Denver Broncos selected DT Ted Gregory from Syracuse. A pick so bad that it seemed the Broncos scout team phoned it in without looking at the player involved. By far the Broncos worst first round pick.

  • @jfk64kennedy95
    @jfk64kennedy95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Okoye' was a beast, loved watching him run...

    • @barrakliberal8539
      @barrakliberal8539 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Nigerian Nightmare. Not a name you will see nowadays.

  • @RCVictoryLane
    @RCVictoryLane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bishop Sycamore...they will never live that down...

  • @karlcooper8460
    @karlcooper8460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I always wondered what happened to old PP he was a pretty good player.

    • @Chuna-ge4dg
      @Chuna-ge4dg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He does the radio color for Temple football.

    • @karlcooper8460
      @karlcooper8460 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Chuna-ge4dg Oh OK I guess that will work.

  • @gluserty
    @gluserty 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd say Paul Palmer's career highlight was definitely that 110 rushing yards for the 1989 Cowboys, assisting them in their lone win of that season (13-3 vs. Washington Team). Bad move on his part in KC though, joke or not (I'm sorry about Palmer losing his grandmother & dealing with emotional turmoil though; also, it seems that Frank Gansz's disastrous coaching stint with the Chiefs speaks for himself). It makes me think of Wade Phillips when he was coaching the Bills in 2000, stating in an interview for the Monday Night Football that neither the 7-6 Bills or 7-6 Colts had a chance to make the playoffs: well, the Colts made the playoffs, and even if Philips felt that way at the time, it was probably something he should've kept to himself.
    Roger Vick & Terrence Flagler, I am familiar with them, but they were just "guys" who didn't leave big imprints on the game (Vick did more than Flagler though).

  • @marcus813
    @marcus813 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any players who even think about joking about fumbling to get a hated coach fired should watch this video. Words matter more than some people think they do.

  • @levikatriel
    @levikatriel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This suspension was likely a joke. Another time that a player did not get to play for a team happened in 2000 when Plaxico Burres didn’t get drafted by the eagles because he attended a college basketball game. Official Jaguar Gator 9 made a video about the controversy.

  • @Yahweh-dn9cv
    @Yahweh-dn9cv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Temple was coached by Bruce arians & some of his victories were vacated by the NCAA

  • @georgesouthwick7000
    @georgesouthwick7000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If Palmer was that good, this comment wouldn’t have ended his career. If you are good, you get away with anything….even murder…just ask Ray Lewis.

  • @dr.awkward9075
    @dr.awkward9075 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Palmer actually led the 1989 Cowboys in rushing yards. I know that's not saying much, but still. Also, Terrence Flagler was traded to the Cowboys the week before Emmitt Smith was drafted.
    Man, i hope that trade works out! 🤞

  • @rxtsec1
    @rxtsec1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. The coach was worse

  • @beezum
    @beezum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really good editing!

  • @flyinelvis69
    @flyinelvis69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A player not used properly by a guy who should never have been a head coach to begin with (see Sam Darnold was Adam Gase) Bigger mystery is why Ethan Horton was cut after his first year in KC

  • @JMTavares7
    @JMTavares7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Alternate Title:
    How not performing in the NFL over a long period of time ENDED an NFL player's career. (and also he got suspended for 1 game once)

  • @gt-gu7rb
    @gt-gu7rb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Graduated from Temple the year before Palmer led the NCAA'S in rushing Along with Arians as head coach they had a lot of good DB's on that team. Including Todd Bowles the current defensive coordinator for the Buc's. Anthony Anderson who was on his way to good career with the Colts but he had stenosis of the spine and Kevin Ross who made all pro a couple of years with the Chief's. That was a good Temple team think they went 6 and 5 lost to Penn State by one point that year 26 to 25 . Better than there record

  • @diaz5292
    @diaz5292 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Bishop Sicamore" reference. Nice!👍

  • @josephnoneofyourbeeswax8517
    @josephnoneofyourbeeswax8517 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is an important lesson you are presenting. Thank you.

  • @tigercap100
    @tigercap100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Suggestion: Eric Hipples 1981 debut vs Bears.

  • @brianbachmeier34
    @brianbachmeier34 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A player with fumbling issues jokes about intentionally fumbling to get a coach fired who was already going to get fired.

    • @bradkirchhoff3751
      @bradkirchhoff3751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Adrien Peterson fumbles a hell of a lot more than he did…

  • @luisreyes1963
    @luisreyes1963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No wonder they call the NFL the "No Fun League". 🙁

  • @conorcane1211
    @conorcane1211 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video man! You earned a sub!

  • @matsumoku1
    @matsumoku1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We should always remember that what people do is much more important than what they say. People get upset and say things they shouldn't say. Also, there is a long history of people who do the opposite of what they say and we let them get away with that, such as politicians. We need to stop focusing on words and focus on actions.

  • @moffjerjerrod1579
    @moffjerjerrod1579 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So imagine of Paul Palmer was able to use Twitter back then. People would STILL be going after him now.

  • @skiburnski7543
    @skiburnski7543 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    His comment didn't ruin his career, it was being on the same team with the freakin' behemoth Christian Okoye, the Nigerian Nightmare that ruined his career!

    • @bertmustin
      @bertmustin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not being a good runningback ruined his career.

  • @kingcane5819
    @kingcane5819 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    There's a difference between a joke and a threat

  • @DMS-pq8
    @DMS-pq8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jim Brown in his prime would have had a hard time running on that Cowboys team

    • @joachimguderian4048
      @joachimguderian4048 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. JB was 6’3, 235 with near Olympic class speed. Not too mention that the weakass way they tackle nowadays, JB would’ve broke a lot of arms.

    • @DMS-pq8
      @DMS-pq8 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joachimguderian4048 Read the comment and learn to understand sarcasm

  • @rticle15
    @rticle15 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I dont think the comment had anything to do with the slide in Palmer's career. He simply didnt play well enough to crack the depth chart. I say he was cut when schottenheimer came in either way.

  • @marquettejones1087
    @marquettejones1087 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The cold thing about that's is. The head coach was going to get fired anyway. I think he would have thrive with Marty

  • @rodfry3977
    @rodfry3977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HIs nickname at Churchill HS was Boo Boo. Guess he made a big Boo Boo

  • @joeriveracomedy
    @joeriveracomedy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Christian Okoye being on Pirate Master was almost as sad as Jimmy Johnson on Survivor

  • @williamgullett5911
    @williamgullett5911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To be honest....if the Chiefs had been sold on Palmer they wouldn't have drafted Christian Okoye with their next pick in the 2nd rd

    • @jerryking45
      @jerryking45 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      THE NIGERIAN NIGHTMARE!!

  • @leetakamiya
    @leetakamiya 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would it have been so hard to work in his nickname? “Boo boo”

  • @scottaznavourian3720
    @scottaznavourian3720 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ganz couldn't tell the truth...that the star force flooded his base on Pluto...

  • @johndeotte3229
    @johndeotte3229 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember Palmer with the Cowboys in 89. I remember that long run and the Lipton Tea Plunge.

  • @orbyfan
    @orbyfan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Paul Palmer played one game in the CFL with the Toronto Argonauts, with 2 carries for 6 yards and 1 kickoff return for 60 in a 48-24 loss in Hamilton on Sept. 2, 1991.

  • @TheLoobis
    @TheLoobis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A joke ended his career? That sucks

  • @billallen8998
    @billallen8998 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Palmer didn't really say it...Ganz lied about it.

  • @brianellinger6622
    @brianellinger6622 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fired...
    Lol.
    I don't even know who's hat I'm wearing right now.
    Lmao...

  • @pmp1967
    @pmp1967 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It wasn't me!!!

  • @johnnytdufc
    @johnnytdufc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Players have said far worse things. I think in today's era the result for Palmer is perhaps different. He wasn't wrong about the coach, but in the mid-80's was the time that Coaches and GM's began looking far more closely at the level of maturity and behavior of potential draft choices. 1st rounders were truly overpaid then. Record contracts, though mostly for Quarterbacks.
    Palmer's sin was certainly ill-advised, but should not have derailed his career. If Palmer had a decent agent, his apology would've included a public statement of confidence in the current coaching staff, however disingenuous. Teams had known for decades that poor moral is just devastating to performance in Football. The effort required in the NFL and cohesiveness is simply indispensable. Teams had seen players that became 'locker room poison' and the effect some had to team morale. Palmer lost his check(s) for duration of the suspension and that should've been enough punishment.
    I don't know what his salary did to the Chiefs cap space, but as your highlights showed (only good ones but for one fumble) Palmer was a tool to be used PROPERLY as he would've under a Bill Walsh system. His weight loss that season was likely more detrimental to his performance than the comment . A truly stupid thing to say. Most persons are forgiven such things as awful words. Attacking a head coach in front of the team (not the coach) is beyond foolish. The coach was gut-punched because he, too, knew his contract wouldn't be renewed.
    The NFL has and still is a MERIT-BASED SYSTEM. "What have you done for me lately?" which Janet Jackson put into a song that year, likely expresses it well. I suspect that as skilled as Palmer was, between the tackles he just didn't perform and was likely surprised that almost EVERYONE was fast in the NFL. I knew every player in those days and I don't really recall a lot about him. Okoye's name was spoken a lot and my 49ers (yes, Mine) found ways to handle him, but he caused a lot of concussions and ball movement.
    Anyway, Palmer's lack of production in KC tells me his agent was an IDIOT to let Palmer take a job with a team where KC head coach Gains was going to coach as well. That meant he was known and liked by Detroit's HC. So, Palmer should NOT have been there. His chance came later at Dallas. If he didn't produce there, regardless of the lack of blocking or proper use, he wasn't gonna keep getting contracts or chances. But Dallas also wasn't good then and Palmer needed to be on a team that blocked well and continued blocking..e.g. lineman coming off a block and sprinting to make more on the play. (See SF 49ers of that era. They had lineman that traded the extra 20lbs or more in exchange for those who could run upfield as well. Receivers, backs, they all blocked after the initial phase of the play.
    Your highlights seem to show a guy that would've produced under Walsh's system of short passes to RBs but what were the other aspects of Palmer's play? Blocking? Special teams? He was a good returner, but didn't produce there you said. Palmer was really good in the open field, and seemed to outrun everyone on it, including the Redskins DBs of that era.
    But perhaps Walsh likely would've traded for him if hadn't shown the propensity to verbally back stab? I don't know. But I suspect it was an issue. Otherwise, it came down only to production. This is true in the NFL of so many gifted players and is the reason why NFL teams now go to such lengths to screen where a player's head is at and his work ethic. These are basically kids making millions when they enter the league and he needed an adviser he respected and trusted to help him out. All kids do in any field.

  • @MormonMustang_
    @MormonMustang_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    He had to be on drugs. As a recovering addict, I'll go out on a limb and say that was his destructive vice.

  • @Staceyatkinson4496
    @Staceyatkinson4496 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonder what Mel kieper said

  • @poohbear4130
    @poohbear4130 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wondering how many fumbles and interceptions happened without anyone hearing anything and getting some one fired?

  • @amberlopez7477
    @amberlopez7477 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He was a so-so player. He have an average carreer in football.

  • @ecembrew
    @ecembrew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hahahaha...Bishop Sycamore

  • @ryanb4533
    @ryanb4533 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It doesn’t sound like the ‘joke’ had anything to do with how his career went.

  • @oldfart5063
    @oldfart5063 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it seems to me that the coach was a joke and ruined palmers career more than palmer did . if he averaged 6.5 yds per carry and hardly touched the ball , the coach is a moron . the they trade him to detroit where that same coach is on staff and he hardly toaches the ball there . neither team was any good and they can't figure out how to make use of a talented player .

  • @randymiller6665
    @randymiller6665 ปีที่แล้ว

    So it would've been okay to BELIEVE this as long as you don't SAY it...& That's okay?

  • @chadwickwhite6107
    @chadwickwhite6107 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Live NFL TRIVIA every Wednesday NIGHT on TWITCH. Well Paul Palmer did a GREAT JOB of RUINING his OWN career. He would have been BETTER off SPIKING the BALL into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!!

  • @homedeezyfasheezy5662
    @homedeezyfasheezy5662 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep up the good work bro. I just mashed the subscribe button.

  • @alexgordon2642
    @alexgordon2642 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Never knew what happened to Dude! Nice

  • @bryancarol8192
    @bryancarol8192 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where is the card in the upper right corner?

  • @apex_prowler95
    @apex_prowler95 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guys in the comments section saying BooBoo sucked but there are a myriad of long runs in the video. He didn't suck. Wrong franchise at the wrong time.

  • @quietprofessional3608
    @quietprofessional3608 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    “Pedestrian running back”. Shows like 60 breakaway touchdowns lol. Just show him getting stuffed for 10 minutes so I’m not confused

  • @drewberrynews3875
    @drewberrynews3875 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Actually I like Palmer's attitude about this. I mean his team was terrible and it sat squarely on the coaching staff. Okoye and Hurd were good depth for the Chiefs so Palmer wasn't going to get a lot of touches anyway. So getting traded wasn't so bad. Not sure why after the 89 season he wasn't with the cowboys??

  • @teronward7570
    @teronward7570 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not the dumbest thing ever, didn't a dude hold a lit firecracker?

  • @MarquisdeSuave
    @MarquisdeSuave 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Paul Palmer, the 80's version of Felix Jones.

  • @truthspeaks6557
    @truthspeaks6557 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seeing this now... the whole team in 2021 intentionally loses for draft picks... whats the difference

  • @scottconner7930
    @scottconner7930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    33 Years Ago