I NEVER WANT TO HEAR ANY FAN COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR BACKUP QB AFTER THIS! "Which is worse than spiking the ball into the ground on every play" should be a trademark by JG9!
As a Charger fan, I remember Luther was regarded around the league as one of the better skilled back up QBs at the time. Luther's sub par performance in '83 showed how valuable Fouts truly as a QB and a leader. I vaguely remember Luther ending up in the USFL afterward.
Thanks for taking the time to do this video. I'm a fan of all your content, but when you do any video regarding the 1979 to 1985 San Diego Chargers, it's awesome. I'm a 49ers fan, but always loved that era of Chargers ball due to their magical offenses. In regards to Luther's comments I respectively have to disagree like another poster stated. I get the gist that since Luther had been around since 1980, he was mostly speaking as a spectator the last few years, not just 1983. And also, football players themselves never come off as the best historians of the game. Even more so back then since one couldn't just google information, and what not. I don't know, I don't think Luther's comments were that outlandish, since the Chargers did dominate the NFL on offense for about half a decade, and 1983 was their worst ranking slipping only to 12th in points scored, as still first in yards. Luther just seemed like an enthusiastic teammate.
Speaking of those 1982 Chargers that preceded this squad, wide receiver Wes Chandler played in 8 of 9 games that year... and caught passes for 1032 yards. His 129 yards per game is a record that still stands (NFL, AFL, AAFC... 1 game or 16 games or whatever... doesn't matter). If we extrapolated this in to a 16-game, him playing 15 of the 16 would've meant 1935 yards, just 31 yards shy of Calvin Johnson's current record. (Getting this last part in now, just in case Cooper Kupp goes past 135 yards on Sunday.)
I lived in San Diego as a kid thru the seventies and early eighties, and I learned when I was a kid how the press would hype the Chargers each year, and they never lived up to it. It was so easy to just stop believing.
@Matt Joseph I saw rumors on the Internet that the Houston coaching staff had decoded the San Diego offensive signals in the run up to the 1979 playoff game between the two teams, I do not know if it is true or not, I am just being a messenger.... I must agree with you that the Chargers definitely would have given the Steelers all that they would handle if they would have met in the 1979 AFC Championship, It would have been fun to watch that's for sure....
Well Ptolemy Jones How does it FEEL to KNOW that the San Diego Chargers SUCKED THEN, SUCK NOW and will CONTINUE to SUCK for the FORSEEABLE FUTURE? EVER since the Buffalo Bills took Jack Kemp away from the San Diego Chargers (THANK GOD!!!! As a BUFFALONIAN and Bills FAN that was a GREAT DAY) the CHARGERS have NEVER EVEN SMELLED GREATNESS!!!!
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about how the Chargers almost acquired John Elway before that season.
Bill Walsh of the 49ers wanted to trade Joe Montana for the draft rights to John Elway, too. Supposedly, the Chargers created some buzz about wanting to trade for Elway in order to gain leverage in their contract negotiations with Dan Fouts. This was highlighted in the 30 for 30 documentary about the 1983 NFL Draft, “Elway to Marino.”
1. Official Jaguar Gator 9 made a video about Lawrence Taylor, the person who injured Fouts. 2. Part of the reason the chargers were 1-3 through 4 weeks was because of their poor special teams playing in week 2 against the Jets. Official Jaguar Gator 9 made a video about something bizarre that happened in that game.
If you extrapolate the Chargers passing numbers in 1982, had they played a full season they were on pace for something like 6000 yards passing. The 1985 team had some obscene offensive numbers for 1980s NFL too. Too bad their defenses were always so bad.
When the Chargers played the Dolphins in the playoffs, that was one of the greatest games ever played. I tear up when I see how Kellen Winslow seemed to be done, yet he kept coming back. The shots of Winslow being helped off the field by his teammates are truly inspirational.
Do you know a song , living in the past by jethro tull , thats past and now the present i am not cinfident with a Nintendo coach style They will destroy another generation of players , i wish not sincerelly
I always had the impression that any intelligent quarterback with a strong arm could do a halfway decent job under Coryell's system. . Just my opinion.
It's very QB friendly. As Joe Theismann said when he played for Joe Gibbs (one of Coryell's padawan learners), if you can count to ten and know your left from your right, you'll succeed with this offense.
You are talking about the 2021 Padres at 11:49 aren't you? You said "What started as a season with so much promise for San Diego became a major disappointment."
The Chargers tried to trade for the number 1 pick in 1983 with Ed Luther as the centerpiece. Somewhere, Ernie Accorsi still chuckles at this insult of an offer.
No, they supposedly created some buzz about wanting to trade Dan Fouts for the rights to John Elway as leverage in their contract negotiations with Fouts. It’s in the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary about the 1983 NFL Draft, “Elway to Marino.”
@@johnbrowntheprophet Wasn't Luther part of it? Obviously centerpiece is a joke, but I remember Accorsi saying "they weren't getting past first base with that offer."
@@marcdaley - It was Fouts. The word on the street was that the Chargers dangled Fouts in the trade offer in order to get him to sign a contract extension.
@@marcdaley - It was Fouts. The word on the street was that the Chargers dangled Fouts in the trade offer in order to get him to sign a contract extension.
In general (not specifically the 1983 season) the Air Coryell Chargers ARE considered to be one of the best, most explosive, offenses in NFL history, so Luther was kinda/sorta right, if you assume he’s judging by the previous five seasons, 1978-82, but yeah, obviously he misjudged a very important part of the equation: his abilities compared to Dan Fouts. Not exactly like having Steve Young backing up Joe Montana.
@@matthewdaley746 They had a great running game (aside from Muncie and Brooks fumbling so often). The previous season they ran for four TDs against the Bengals*, who had the best rushing defense that season. Before the Giants game in 83, New York hadn't given up a single rushing TD in the first four games -then the Chargers gashed them for three. * In that game, Howard Cosell said to Frank Gifford and Don Meredith "I've been watching this game since before Pearl Harbor and I've NEVER see an offense as awesome as this Chargers team!"
I feel the same way, also the best offense in football went from the Chargers to the Redskins in 1983, Former OC for San Diego was the HC for the Redskins. Who was Dan Fouts before Gibbs arrived? An average QB, who was Joe Theismann before Gibbs? An Average Starting QB. Jay Schroeder and Mark Rypien were pro bowlers with Gibbs and flops without him. Starting to see a pattern? Although Fouts was still good for 2 and a half season after Gibbs left as OC his last few years in the league he worked his way back down to average NFL QB. I do agree with Luther, it was the best offense in NFL history... with Dan Fouts in there. It was the best offense in the NFL until Lawrence Taylor (best football player ever regardless of position) took out Dan Fouts. Strangely enough the best offense in football after than became the Redskins. The Following season it was probably the Dolphins due to marino exploding and breaking Fouts NFL records. But at the time of the statement Luther was right. the Chargers had the explosive record breaking offense never seen before in the NFL.
@@johnliberty3647 Wow, that’s some damn good knowledge! Right on! And yes, The Redskins were an offensive juggernaut in the ‘83 season. Still mind-boggling to this day how they got blown away by the Raiders in the Super Bowl.
@@jeremycrandall2899 Raiders showed up hungry and the Redskins showed up ready to be anointed champions. Watch that game again and you see 3 mistakes leading to 3 unexpected TDs for the Raiders. Skill level between the teams were even but the Hungry team won the game.
Got to respectfully disagree on this one. You could easily interpret Luther's words as referring to his teammates, who had indeed been the greatest over the past four seasons.
I agree with you. I think the videographer missed the statement. The combination of all the players - 3 hall of famers in the skill positions. A good running back in Muncie and with Brooks a dynamic back up. Part of it is that sometimes the offense did shoot themselves in the foot - scoring too quickly, too many interceptions by Fouts, etc. but their ability to score, to completely torch the other team no matter how good that teams defense was is a sign this was to that point the greatest offense.
Agree. Although I like JG9’s vids, he makes too much of player’s comments at times. He was just trying to speak highly of his teammates, not himself. No Twitter nor internet back then.
That is correct. Tark's 32 INTs in 1978 were the highest post-merger, at the time. Then Testsaverde broke it a decade later. I doubt Blanda's record will ever be broken. Not to mention, that was in a 14 game season, so he averaged exactly 3 INTs per game that season.
I live in Philly. The whole local media was calling them the dream team after all signings. One asked Vince Young about it in a interview and he laughed it off saying yeah dream team. He wasn’t at fault for that but got the blame as if he proclaimed them as such.
Funny thing is, you can make the case for the 1980 Chargers being the greatest offensive team ever at this point. But in 1983, they were just older. Still great, but they weren't even the Redskins offensively that season.
Which makes sense, because the Redskins broke scoring records that year with 541 points while QB Joe Theismann was NFL MVP. They pooped out in the Super Bowl, but you know, so did the 2007 Patriots.
@@jackprather3471 High-scoring offenses often get clowned in the playoffs, just ask the Broncos after the Seahawks twisted their nuts in the Super Bowl.
Being an Eagles fan, the only thing I can give Vince Young any credit for was beating the eventual Super Bowl champions on the road that year. He almost gave that game away, but led the game-winning 18-play, 80-yard drive before throwing the game-winning td pass.
You have to be pretty good when the head coach gets an offense named after him The 'Don Coryell' offensive scheme has been adopted from many teams all the way up to current times..
Idea for drinking game: watch a bunch of these videos and every time he says, “which is worse than if he spiked the ball into the ground on every down”….
I never understood why so many teams have total bombs as back up qb on roster as back up to one if not the most important position in the game. Even if they are just a game manager.
If you watch the hit that knocked Fouts out of the game, you'll see George Martin did the real damage by grabbing the QB's arm and pulling it back while Fouts' arm is going forward -blown rotator cuff. Taylor just finished him off. Fun fact: George Martin and Dan Fouts were teammates, classmates and good friends going back to their years at Oregon.
Wow ed luther missed the point on that one. You can't just take a great qb away from a great offense, insert a scrub like luther into it, and expect it to still click properly. Case in point. The 2000 rams. That offense was even better than the '99 greatest show on turf offense and was on pace to obliterate all of the scoring records. Then kurt warner got injured and they fell off of that pace with trent green who was a helluva lot better than ed luther now running it for six games. And bolt and ram offenses were basically the same offense predicated on match-ups, speed, and a willingness to throw the ball anytime and on any down. Ed luther should have thought about that one before foolishly saying that s#it.
The points total listed includes all points scored. Kick returns, defensive TD's and safeties. So, maybe the Chargers were 5th in scoring, but 1st in offensive scoring?
The best QB on the field in that Chargers game against the Giants was Giants QB Scott Brunner who completed 31 passes in 51 attempts for 395 yards, 3 TD's and 0 Interceptions, good for a 96.4 Passer Rating.
I think at that time, Luther was misquoted by the media. I believe that his comment was referring about himself only, in that he possessed "...the greatest criminal mind of the 20th century." Somehow, this comment was taken out of context.
I've heard of Ed Luther before, know he played in the USFL, don't know why I remember the name tho. hmmm... Unfortunate to see him brought up in this context lol, but don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk.
1983 was definitely the wrong season for Ed Luther to call the Chargers offense the best ever; he was a season last at least. The Chargers offense really was something, although once the running game became spotty, injuries (Fouts, Kellen Winslow) hit them hard, and the defense degenerated further, that was the end of their run.
It was great with dan fouts who was injured running it, not ed #kn luther. Dude was full of himself. That offense was the greatest show on turf before the greatest show on turf. And that would have been like taking that ram offense, taking warner out (yes trent green was alright) and inserting any scrub qb in there and thinking it would still be great. And remember how great the mid '70's colts offense was with bert jones running it. When jones was out injured which was a lot colts weren't even a playoff team even with marchibroda the offensive mind and those weapons they had on offensive. hahaha to ed #kn luther for saying that s#it.
Gene Klein got rid of most of the Chargers' veteran defenders after the 1982 season because he was looking to sell the team and cutting payroll was his way of making the team look more profitable. He also got rid of Russ Washington, the starting RT right before the season started. Watch the play above where George Martin tears Fouts' shoulder up and Lawrence Taylor clobbers him for good measure. Instead of having a 5-time Pro Bowler to block Martin, they had Drew Gissinger, making his fourth start. Then Klein sold the team to Alex Spanos and it got ten times worse.
@@Jelperman Wow even the right tackle?…I know the team got rid of Fred Dean, Gary Johnson, and John Jefferson around that time but I didn’t know they also gutted part of the O Line too.
@@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly They shipped starting LT Billy Shields off to the Niners after the 83 season. In three short years they went from having the best O-line in the NFL to having one of the worst. That's why Fouts never played a full season after 1982. They did draft Jim Lachey in 85 and he was great, but by then Fouts was on his last legs. In 1988 Spanos traded him to the Raiders for a fat slob named Johnny Clay, who couldn't pass the physical.
I think you don’t get what you are saying. In a game where the backup QB threw 6 interceptions against a great defense I. Washington, the chargers still score 24 points and could have won. That right there shows how prolific this offense was. Sure it’s not as good without Fouts but that was Luthers comment. Your very video shows that Luther was right.
Luther played his best game thanks to Charlie Joiner making some ridiculous catches, including beating Everson Walls (Dallas' best corner) on the game-winning catch, and the late Doug Wilkerson neutralizing Randy White (Dallas' best defensive player) the whole game. The blocked punt and third down conversions were also key.
I like coryell butbi think , he will be better as ofensive coach , but a great Defensive lline , and the others secondary and linebackers were , nobody , but how a head coach , didnt adreess only to a regular defensive , the chargers are so bud luck 🍀, so many talent let go , or an excellent team , but and brutally bad qbs collection , then they have all like yes this it , and 2 or 3 bad plsys or decisions , they never get the whole thing anf if they have it , they let go a player , but that player was the key to get in full force and every position in very good shape Ok kaeding, Seau comes , but ray smith retires , then plummer let go to 49s snd become a champ , then they have leslie o,neal , and lee williams go to another team , then they release anthony miller ,,bring a miracle tony martin , ross was a miracle too , grosman go out but chris mims was fine , harnon was in a leeser important role , humpries another miracle , after the post fouts era ,,malone , mcmahon, gagliano , tolliver terrible and then a worse one friesz ? Henning 6/10 , 6/10 , 6/10 and an sorctacular 4/12 , then ross make things good , but he was fighting with shittiest owner of an nfl treams, means was done , mims done and then we have craig whellihan poor guy , have no support , seau allone, harrison let go and years before the sheriff , then they make the best choice of all times , leaf with another cheap exoerimental coach gilbride i think he has a good piece of leaf craziness , then brees playing like with a brake in his mind , let go , kaeding still there , tomlinson and 10,000 star players , then so many talent hurt and not last long enough ,,vincent jackkson good but by mms loose a game , the ksssim osgood left go and destroyed a good season beacuse St teams was a joke , merriman , laisonsn,,-and turner , McCoy 😂 the fastest man in the west to destroy. A team , lynn , the doctor that like a miracle punch a lung of that qb that i do not remember who he was , then herbert trsumstized but the john maden Nintendo style of game,, last season a disaster hospital , still find a way and destroy all They do all things wrong no timing , owner its a hated person with not desire to win , cold , coward , insecure inexpressive person , oh and tranquill was let go and no other rb only ekeleer snd a bunch miserable wagers , They always reinvent new ways of loosing in a terrible catastrophic ways I hate you alex you dont have blood in your veins you have air or an icee blue flavored beverage , machine of destroying carrers
Okay, you're misrepresenting the "83 Giants in order to prop up the Chargers. That Giants team was awful and only won one more game the rest of the year after this. The defense got shredded, and would get shredded frequently that year. You also forget to mention that Scott Brunner lost the game for the Giants with an unforced fumble on the last drive of the game. I've noticed that you often play fast and loose with facts in order to support the premise of your videos. I have a long enough memory of these games to spot that.
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I NEVER WANT TO HEAR ANY FAN COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR BACKUP QB AFTER THIS!
"Which is worse than spiking the ball into the ground on every play" should be a trademark by JG9!
It should be a t-shirt at least.
As a Charger fan, I remember Luther was regarded around the league as one of the better skilled back up QBs at the time. Luther's sub par performance in '83 showed how valuable Fouts truly as a QB and a leader. I vaguely remember Luther ending up in the USFL afterward.
Who else even remembers Ed Luthet? The obscurity makes this content great 👍
I love this series of videos. A great summation of my NFL memories.
Do a video on chuck muncie. He was an exciting runner, and I’d like to see his highlights.
Thanks for taking the time to do this video. I'm a fan of all your content, but when you do any video regarding the 1979 to 1985 San Diego Chargers, it's awesome. I'm a 49ers fan, but always loved that era of Chargers ball due to their magical offenses. In regards to Luther's comments I respectively have to disagree like another poster stated. I get the gist that since Luther had been around since 1980, he was mostly speaking as a spectator the last few years, not just 1983. And also, football players themselves never come off as the best historians of the game. Even more so back then since one couldn't just google information, and what not. I don't know, I don't think Luther's comments were that outlandish, since the Chargers did dominate the NFL on offense for about half a decade, and 1983 was their worst ranking slipping only to 12th in points scored, as still first in yards. Luther just seemed like an enthusiastic teammate.
this is the greatest NFL trivia highlight video EVER ASSEMBLED !
Speaking of those 1982 Chargers that preceded this squad, wide receiver Wes Chandler played in 8 of 9 games that year... and caught passes for 1032 yards. His 129 yards per game is a record that still stands (NFL, AFL, AAFC... 1 game or 16 games or whatever... doesn't matter). If we extrapolated this in to a 16-game, him playing 15 of the 16 would've meant 1935 yards, just 31 yards shy of Calvin Johnson's current record. (Getting this last part in now, just in case Cooper Kupp goes past 135 yards on Sunday.)
I lived in San Diego as a kid thru the seventies and early eighties, and I learned when I was a kid how the press would hype the Chargers each year, and they never lived up to it. It was so easy to just stop believing.
@Matt Joseph I remember that game. Dan Fouts made Vernon Perry an overnight sensation.
@Matt Joseph I saw rumors on the Internet that the Houston coaching staff had decoded the San Diego offensive signals in the run up to the 1979 playoff game between the two teams, I do not know if it is true or not, I am just being a messenger....
I must agree with you that the Chargers definitely would have given the Steelers all that they would handle if they would have met in the 1979 AFC Championship, It would have been fun to watch that's for sure....
Well Ptolemy Jones How does it FEEL to KNOW that the San Diego Chargers SUCKED THEN, SUCK NOW and will CONTINUE to SUCK for the FORSEEABLE FUTURE? EVER since the Buffalo Bills took Jack Kemp away from the San Diego Chargers (THANK GOD!!!! As a BUFFALONIAN and Bills FAN that was a GREAT DAY) the CHARGERS have NEVER EVEN SMELLED GREATNESS!!!!
@@chadwickwhite6107 I haven't cared about football since the mid-eighties so it feels just fine.
@JBSptfn wow. I had no idea. How sad.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about how the Chargers almost acquired John Elway before that season.
Bill Walsh of the 49ers wanted to trade Joe Montana for the draft rights to John Elway, too. Supposedly, the Chargers created some buzz about wanting to trade for Elway in order to gain leverage in their contract negotiations with Dan Fouts. This was highlighted in the 30 for 30 documentary about the 1983 NFL Draft, “Elway to Marino.”
When I was a USFL game between Jacksonville and Baltimore we all chanted at him "Luther, Luther, the San Diego Chicken!"
Based on the past 5 years, he wasn’t completely lying, but Luther wasn’t the greatest QB ever assembled…
That's funny 😃
1. Official Jaguar Gator 9 made a video about Lawrence Taylor, the person who injured Fouts.
2. Part of the reason the chargers were 1-3 through 4 weeks was because of their poor special teams playing in week 2 against the Jets. Official Jaguar Gator 9 made a video about something bizarre that happened in that game.
Great video again! Wonderful job telling this story
1983 is when the San Diego Chargers came apart and ceased becoming a playoff team. See what happens when you lose to the New York Jets in week 1.
They got old, drafted poorly, and had cheap ownership. Also doesn't help that the AFC West is usually an extremely competitive division.
If you extrapolate the Chargers passing numbers in 1982, had they played a full season they were on pace for something like 6000 yards passing. The 1985 team had some obscene offensive numbers for 1980s NFL too. Too bad their defenses were always so bad.
THat would be extrapolate the passing numbers -- LOL!
When the Chargers played the Dolphins in the playoffs, that was one of the greatest games ever played. I tear up when I see how Kellen Winslow seemed to be done, yet he kept coming back. The shots of Winslow being helped off the field by his teammates are truly inspirational.
That was the 1981 Chargers.
hook and lateral !!!
Do you know a song , living in the past by jethro tull , thats past and now the present i am not cinfident with a Nintendo coach style
They will destroy another generation of players , i wish not sincerelly
I always had the impression that any intelligent quarterback with a strong arm could do a halfway decent job under Coryell's system. . Just my opinion.
It's very QB friendly. As Joe Theismann said when he played for Joe Gibbs (one of Coryell's padawan learners), if you can count to ten and know your left from your right, you'll succeed with this offense.
You are talking about the 2021 Padres at 11:49 aren't you? You said "What started as a season with so much promise for San Diego became a major disappointment."
The Chargers tried to trade for the number 1 pick in 1983 with Ed Luther as the centerpiece.
Somewhere, Ernie Accorsi still chuckles at this insult of an offer.
No, they supposedly created some buzz about wanting to trade Dan Fouts for the rights to John Elway as leverage in their contract negotiations with Fouts. It’s in the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary about the 1983 NFL Draft, “Elway to Marino.”
@@johnbrowntheprophet Wasn't Luther part of it? Obviously centerpiece is a joke, but I remember Accorsi saying "they weren't getting past first base with that offer."
@@marcdaley - It was Fouts. The word on the street was that the Chargers dangled Fouts in the trade offer in order to get him to sign a contract extension.
@@marcdaley - It was Fouts. The word on the street was that the Chargers dangled Fouts in the trade offer in order to get him to sign a contract extension.
In general (not specifically the 1983 season) the Air Coryell Chargers ARE considered to be one of the best, most explosive, offenses in NFL history, so Luther was kinda/sorta right, if you assume he’s judging by the previous five seasons, 1978-82, but yeah, obviously he misjudged a very important part of the equation: his abilities compared to Dan Fouts. Not exactly like having Steve Young backing up Joe Montana.
@@matthewdaley746 They had a great running game (aside from Muncie and Brooks fumbling so often). The previous season they ran for four TDs against the Bengals*, who had the best rushing defense that season. Before the Giants game in 83, New York hadn't given up a single rushing TD in the first four games -then the Chargers gashed them for three.
* In that game, Howard Cosell said to Frank Gifford and Don Meredith "I've been watching this game since before Pearl Harbor and I've NEVER see an offense as awesome as this Chargers team!"
Well said
I feel the same way, also the best offense in football went from the Chargers to the Redskins in 1983, Former OC for San Diego was the HC for the Redskins. Who was Dan Fouts before Gibbs arrived? An average QB, who was Joe Theismann before Gibbs? An Average Starting QB. Jay Schroeder and Mark Rypien were pro bowlers with Gibbs and flops without him. Starting to see a pattern? Although Fouts was still good for 2 and a half season after Gibbs left as OC his last few years in the league he worked his way back down to average NFL QB. I do agree with Luther, it was the best offense in NFL history... with Dan Fouts in there. It was the best offense in the NFL until Lawrence Taylor (best football player ever regardless of position) took out Dan Fouts. Strangely enough the best offense in football after than became the Redskins. The Following season it was probably the Dolphins due to marino exploding and breaking Fouts NFL records. But at the time of the statement Luther was right. the Chargers had the explosive record breaking offense never seen before in the NFL.
@@johnliberty3647 Wow, that’s some damn good knowledge! Right on! And yes, The Redskins were an offensive juggernaut in the ‘83 season. Still mind-boggling to this day how they got blown away by the Raiders in the Super Bowl.
@@jeremycrandall2899 Raiders showed up hungry and the Redskins showed up ready to be anointed champions. Watch that game again and you see 3 mistakes leading to 3 unexpected TDs for the Raiders. Skill level between the teams were even but the Hungry team won the game.
Got to respectfully disagree on this one. You could easily interpret Luther's words as referring to his teammates, who had indeed been the greatest over the past four seasons.
THE problem wasn't the offense, it was their defense. EVEN bring Arensbarger who as a top defensive co ordination couldn't fix their stinky defense.
I agree with you. I think the videographer missed the statement. The combination of all the players - 3 hall of famers in the skill positions. A good running back in Muncie and with Brooks a dynamic back up.
Part of it is that sometimes the offense did shoot themselves in the foot - scoring too quickly, too many interceptions by Fouts, etc. but their ability to score, to completely torch the other team no matter how good that teams defense was is a sign this was to that point the greatest offense.
Agree. Although I like JG9’s vids, he makes too much of player’s comments at times. He was just trying to speak highly of his teammates, not himself. No Twitter nor internet back then.
5:39
The moment you all came for.
i believe George Blanda holds the record for most ints thrown in a season with 42, post merger its Vinny Testsaverde with 35.
That is correct. Tark's 32 INTs in 1978 were the highest post-merger, at the time. Then Testsaverde broke it a decade later. I doubt Blanda's record will ever be broken. Not to mention, that was in a 14 game season, so he averaged exactly 3 INTs per game that season.
You should do a video on the "Dream Team" Eagles of 2011 since they essentially said the same thing about themselves and went 8-8
The 1992 San Diego chargers started 1-4 and made the playoffs
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_San_Diego_Chargers_season
I think the '92 Chargers actually started that season at 0-4 which was the first time any team made the playoffs after an 0-4 start.
It’s funny how 2011 Eagles were the dream team and went 8-8, yet a few years later a back up QB leads them to a Super Bowl win!
When Luther had a chance to back up his words, he folded like a cheap tent. Not a good look. Quality depth matters.
I live in Philly. The whole local media was calling them the dream team after all signings. One asked Vince Young about it in a interview and he laughed it off saying yeah dream team. He wasn’t at fault for that but got the blame as if he proclaimed them as such.
That drop in at 6:09 is sweet
38 Years Ago
Funny thing is, you can make the case for the 1980 Chargers being the greatest offensive team ever at this point. But in 1983, they were just older. Still great, but they weren't even the Redskins offensively that season.
Which makes sense, because the Redskins broke scoring records that year with 541 points while QB Joe Theismann was NFL MVP. They pooped out in the Super Bowl, but you know, so did the 2007 Patriots.
@@jackprather3471 High-scoring offenses often get clowned in the playoffs, just ask the Broncos after the Seahawks twisted their nuts in the Super Bowl.
Ed Luther- 1983 Chargers are the best offense ever
Joe Theisman (1983 MVP)- 😆
Dan Marino (1984 MVP)- 😆
Joe Montana (1989 MVP)- 😆
It all goes back to that age old saying: Offense wins games. Schottenheimer wins championships...lol
Note: Quarterpole does NOT mean 1/4 of the season complete. It means 1/4 of the season REMAINING.
Also, Ed Luther rules.
Clearly a case of disengage brain to mouth before a press conference
This team beat the Cowboys? Wow, Dallas...
Being an Eagles fan, the only thing I can give Vince Young any credit for was beating the eventual Super Bowl champions on the road that year. He almost gave that game away, but led the game-winning 18-play, 80-yard drive before throwing the game-winning td pass.
I never saw ed Luther play, i remember him on the side lines with the clip board
Ed Luther would have been BETTER off SPIKING the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!!
I remember chUck munciE running to _the endzOne and LT bOuNcIng Off hIs kneepads
You missed a HOFer in that late 70's early 80's Chargers offense. Joe Gibbs was the OC and is in the Hall of Fame as a head coach.
Now do a story about the 2011 Eagles and the 2011 Jets, which ended up being the motivation for the 2011 Giants.
Damn. Shaded by a pile of salt too high to comprehend.
You have to be pretty good when the head coach gets an offense named after him
The 'Don Coryell' offensive scheme has been adopted from many teams all the way up to current times..
Ed Luther....... That's a name I haven't heard in well, 38 years.
Time to drink the spike.
Idea for drinking game: watch a bunch of these videos and every time he says, “which is worse than if he spiked the ball into the ground on every down”….
I never understood why so many teams have total bombs as back up qb on roster as back up to one if not the most important position in the game. Even if they are just a game manager.
If you watch the hit that knocked Fouts out of the game, you'll see George Martin did the real damage by grabbing the QB's arm and pulling it back while Fouts' arm is going forward -blown rotator cuff. Taylor just finished him off. Fun fact: George Martin and Dan Fouts were teammates, classmates and good friends going back to their years at Oregon.
Do a video on Ryan Leaf’s being injured for the 1999 season
Wow ed luther missed the point on that one. You can't just take a great qb away from a great offense, insert a scrub like luther into it, and expect it to still click properly. Case in point. The 2000 rams. That offense was even better than the '99 greatest show on turf offense and was on pace to obliterate all of the scoring records. Then kurt warner got injured and they fell off of that pace with trent green who was a helluva lot better than ed luther now running it for six games. And bolt and ram offenses were basically the same offense predicated on match-ups, speed, and a willingness to throw the ball anytime and on any down. Ed luther should have thought about that one before foolishly saying that s#it.
As a Raiders fan, I recall Ed Luther with glee :)
The points total listed includes all points scored. Kick returns, defensive TD's and safeties. So, maybe the Chargers were 5th in scoring, but 1st in offensive scoring?
The best QB on the field in that Chargers game against the Giants was Giants QB Scott Brunner who completed 31 passes in 51 attempts for 395 yards, 3 TD's and 0 Interceptions, good for a 96.4 Passer Rating.
Considering how brutal Bruner was that tells you how bad the Chargers defense was
@@chrisrifkin3670 The Chargers defense gave up 41 points to the Jets in Week 1 that year.
Ed Luther…San Jose State!!
I think at that time, Luther was misquoted by the media. I believe that his comment was referring about himself only, in that he possessed "...the greatest criminal mind of the 20th century." Somehow, this comment was taken out of context.
I've heard of Ed Luther before, know he played in the USFL, don't know why I remember the name tho. hmmm...
Unfortunate to see him brought up in this context lol, but don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk.
1983 was definitely the wrong season for Ed Luther to call the Chargers offense the best ever; he was a season last at least. The Chargers offense really was something, although once the running game became spotty, injuries (Fouts, Kellen Winslow) hit them hard, and the defense degenerated further, that was the end of their run.
The kiss of death.
He should have said that two years earlier!
San Diego Chargers- we’ll trade our backup QB and 1st round pick for your 1st round pick
Baltimore Colts- 😆 😆 😆
Ernie Accorsi- 😆 😆 😆
He should have said that two years earlier
He was humbled💯
This smells like the 2010 Chargers, except in that case, it’s Jon Bois saying they were the greatest after the fact
10:16. Winslow gotta catch that.
It was great with dan fouts who was injured running it, not ed #kn luther. Dude was full of himself. That offense was the greatest show on turf before the greatest show on turf. And that would have been like taking that ram offense, taking warner out (yes trent green was alright) and inserting any scrub qb in there and thinking it would still be great. And remember how great the mid '70's colts offense was with bert jones running it. When jones was out injured which was a lot colts weren't even a playoff team even with marchibroda the offensive mind and those weapons they had on offensive. hahaha to ed #kn luther for saying that s#it.
It was a great offense with Dan Fouts in there.
The greatest show on turf' hold my beer..
What happen to Changers was relied on their offense too much , and Broncos and Hawks hot better , and Raiders rebuild last of the great Al Davis teams
The Chargers owner was cheap and gutted most of the team after only a few years of contention
Gene Klein got rid of most of the Chargers' veteran defenders after the 1982 season because he was looking to sell the team and cutting payroll was his way of making the team look more profitable. He also got rid of Russ Washington, the starting RT right before the season started. Watch the play above where George Martin tears Fouts' shoulder up and Lawrence Taylor clobbers him for good measure. Instead of having a 5-time Pro Bowler to block Martin, they had Drew Gissinger, making his fourth start.
Then Klein sold the team to Alex Spanos and it got ten times worse.
@@Jelperman Wow even the right tackle?…I know the team got rid of Fred Dean, Gary Johnson, and John Jefferson around that time but I didn’t know they also gutted part of the O Line too.
@@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly They shipped starting LT Billy Shields off to the Niners after the 83 season. In three short years they went from having the best O-line in the NFL to having one of the worst. That's why Fouts never played a full season after 1982. They did draft Jim Lachey in 85 and he was great, but by then Fouts was on his last legs. In 1988 Spanos traded him to the Raiders for a fat slob named Johnny Clay, who couldn't pass the physical.
Looks like LT drove Fouts into the turf.
100% legal back then.
Bottom line here....Keep Laurence Taylor away from your QB.
Hes a backup for a reason.
It's like clickbait on youtube
6:11 how isn't that a late hit?
I think you don’t get what you are saying. In a game where the backup QB threw 6 interceptions against a great defense I. Washington, the chargers still score 24 points and could have won. That right there shows how prolific this offense was. Sure it’s not as good without Fouts but that was Luthers comment. Your very video shows that Luther was right.
Man Ed Luther is a bum one of the worst Qbs in N.F.L history.
How did the Cowboys lose to this team ?
Luther played his best game thanks to Charlie Joiner making some ridiculous catches, including beating Everson Walls (Dallas' best corner) on the game-winning catch, and the late Doug Wilkerson neutralizing Randy White (Dallas' best defensive player) the whole game. The blocked punt and third down conversions were also key.
Why OJG9, why? 🤣🤣🤣
I like coryell butbi think , he will be better as ofensive coach , but a great Defensive lline , and the others secondary and linebackers were , nobody , but how a head coach , didnt adreess only to a regular defensive , the chargers are so bud luck 🍀, so many talent let go , or an excellent team , but and brutally bad qbs collection , then they have all like yes this it , and 2 or 3 bad plsys or decisions , they never get the whole thing anf if they have it , they let go a player , but that player was the key to get in full force and every position in very good shape
Ok kaeding,
Seau comes , but ray smith retires , then plummer let go to 49s snd become a champ , then they have leslie o,neal , and lee williams go to another team , then they release anthony miller ,,bring a miracle tony martin , ross was a miracle too , grosman go out but chris mims was fine , harnon was in a leeser important role , humpries another miracle , after the post fouts era ,,malone , mcmahon, gagliano , tolliver terrible and then a worse one friesz ? Henning 6/10 , 6/10 , 6/10 and an sorctacular 4/12 , then ross make things good , but he was fighting with shittiest owner of an nfl treams, means was done , mims done and then we have craig whellihan poor guy , have no support , seau allone, harrison let go and years before the sheriff , then they make the best choice of all times , leaf with another cheap exoerimental coach gilbride i think he has a good piece of leaf craziness , then brees playing like with a brake in his mind , let go , kaeding still there , tomlinson and 10,000 star players , then so many talent hurt and not last long enough ,,vincent jackkson good but by mms loose a game , the ksssim osgood left go and destroyed a good season beacuse St teams was a joke , merriman , laisonsn,,-and turner , McCoy 😂 the fastest man in the west to destroy. A team , lynn , the doctor that like a miracle punch a lung of that qb that i do not remember who he was , then herbert trsumstized but the john maden Nintendo style of game,, last season a disaster hospital , still find a way and destroy all
They do all things wrong no timing , owner its a hated person with not desire to win , cold , coward , insecure inexpressive person , oh and tranquill was let go and no other rb only ekeleer snd a bunch miserable wagers ,
They always reinvent new ways of loosing in a terrible catastrophic ways
I hate you alex you dont have blood in your veins you have air or an icee blue flavored beverage , machine of destroying carrers
Fred Dean & John Jefferson: they never rebounded from their departures. Also, the cocaine was no longer effective.
DEAN WON A SUPERBOWL RING WITH THE 49ERS AFTER HE LEFT THE CHARGERS.
They replaced JJ well enough with Wes Chandler, but losing the late, great Fred Dean killed them.
@@lamontbradford4630 Dean won TWO with the Niners. Louie Kelcher and Gary "Big Hands" Johnson were also traded to San Francisco and got rings in 1984.
Okay, you're misrepresenting the "83 Giants in order to prop up the Chargers. That Giants team was awful and only won one more game the rest of the year after this. The defense got shredded, and would get shredded frequently that year. You also forget to mention that Scott Brunner lost the game for the Giants with an unforced fumble on the last drive of the game.
I've noticed that you often play fast and loose with facts in order to support the premise of your videos. I have a long enough memory of these games to spot that.
Ya but Luther would redeem himself by later leading the Protestant Reformation.