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Cata Hype! Hope you guys are as excited for Cata as we are
Nope. I went back after some comments from Scotty and looked at Talent trees and what they would do to the characters I have in Wotlk and it would damage the Hybrid Builds I have and change the characters completely in style and ability and leave them far weaker than they are now.
Not going to Cata unless my wife forces me to run support for her.
And your still wrong, I played it when it came out and tried AGAIN 4 years ago on a private server and found it again everything I disliked and I have been looking at the Cat Talent trees etc again and again it screws all the hybrid builds I like in classes I like to play in Wotlk, TBC and Classic. My not liking is exactly for the things I have expressed.
The “muh hybrid builds” argument is such an eyeroller idk. Oh no your god awful builds that were never genuinely viable to begin with will be a non-option like they already were to anyone who doesn’t enjoy griefing the people they play with! What ever will you do?!
The nickelback analogy was SO spot on seriously! I swear Cata was so much fun and people are literally hating on it for absolutely no reason at all. It's just cool to hate on it bcs others do it.
Would be soo good if they can fill in the content gaps with some time warping raids. Even just old tuning something simple like you said Kara for example. Would just give us another few hours of content a week!
*CATA HYPE*
And CATA DOOMED
I’ve played WoW since 2006. Cata was the best expansion up to that point. Blows WotLK out of the water.
Agreed. it's much better than Wotlk in every aspect, all the hate it's receiving is getting ridiculous, I mean if it is hard for you and you don't like it go play SoD it is literally there.
New areas of questing is what I enjoyed the most
I think Cata is going to be the best version of classic so far because not only is it super underrated (and gets a bizarre amount of irrational hate) as you guys mentioned, but Blizz has already stated they're going to be moving through the phases pretty quickly. So we'll not only get a better expansion but also better pacing.
no there were some flaws. the biggest was the lack of content second only to wod. in theory if they had made that water raid it probably would have been ok. also revamping the zones might have been cool but only if the person played alt. if one didnt theyd idnt see that contnet. granted it had to happen its just it kinda went to waste. xmog was fine but didnt come out till the end of the xpac. this time its at the beginning probably so should be be better. guilds also collapsed at this time. so social interaction died. however, wrath classic has proven that people can be anti social any time. so eh.
@@phgamer4393 Yeah the “content drought” argument for every expansion of Warcraft is also blown out of proportion. The only people for whom there has ever been a content drought are nolifers who speedrun the entire game in a month and then raidlog while complaining about not enough content. For those of us with families and careers who play wow as a hobby and not a job, there has never been a content drought in all of WoW and most of it has been released too quickly.
listening to the convo around 20 min in about all the broken stuff in the beta and I know this is a very special group of people we're talking about but still I am amazed that this is a thing in a game that has already lived out it's lifespan from start to finish once before.
Not sure if it will be good and successful but the leveling experience during Cata was sublime!
Gosh you guys... I feel like every word that came out of yall was actually said by myself lol!!! So hyped for Cata!
Hey, i know those peoples
Love your class vids
Really enjoyed this, is it a podcast the three of you do often? If so, where can I watch/listen to it?
I have a 80 mage ready for Cata. But I'm going to be doing a Goblin rogue 1-80 first. Looking forward to Cata so much!
What spec? Going combat Worgen myself
Speaking of Firelands, I'm personally HYPED for it, since I decided to play a mage instead of a prot warrior this time I get to enjoy carrying my raid for at least 1 boss. Alysrazor, Killing a boss by yourself before the raid gets a chance to really do any damage to her is such a good feeling.
Alysrazor is literally my favorite boss ever ❤
I had to stop playing back in og wrath and never got to experience cata so I am hyped about trying it out
Wow! I'm hype for you! The first time playing is going to be a treat!!! You're gonna have a blast!
Work around for your abilities disappearing when you change spec:
From the trainer, unlearn your talents, then relearn, but don't spend your last talent point. Always leave one point unspent. Do this for both specs. Then you can switch specs back and forth and not lose the tree's baseline abilities.
Im hyped for it
Demon Armour actually caused the Warlock to Recieve more healing, meaning if any healing effect is applied to them, whether or not They are the cause, they got more health
Me and my brothers started playing in OG TBC, and we are excited to play cata again!!
For me they would do Mythic+ letting you push your score up, titles at 1500 and 2000 or some such, valor points scale with the level but the gear which drops is the standard heroic dungeon ilvl (previous raid tier ilvl if they want to use them as a catch up).
When do they talk about m+?
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I am looking forward to playing it.
It'll be my first, very excited!🌷
I started playing in cata and i remember alot of people went to play star wars .im in big time bm hunter with a spirit wolf 😊😊😊
hunter in cata is probably one of the most fun classes ever in WoW
I like it , and will play it
Most of my people stopped around after wrath back in the day. Looking forward to try raiding in cata now
My feelings exactly
After smashing the old worlds boring quests for years, i always found most of the remade world fun.
I do slightly prefer the old world overall, but yeah the change of pace is nice after leveling 239847 characters in the old world. Ultimately it doesn't matter at all though since you spend so little of the character's full playtime leveling. The people that say yay or nay to cata based on the old world are ridiculous. It'd be like seeing a house you want to move into across town and then turning your nose up at it because you didn't get the moving truck you liked. Uhaul was all booked up and you didn't want to use Penske, lol
Dude same. Leveling in cata is so much fun. It's like rediscovering the world for the first time. Idk why people cry so hard about the world. I fkn love it!!!
@@EB-bl6cc It's depends how many time you spend leveling, when you level week or two from 1 to 60 vanilla questing worst thing ever. With heirlooms and exp buff it's better, but still. It's so outdated with all this running around.
Don't know when this was recorded, but did none of you read the forum?
Cata hype!
Cata is the Nickleback of expansions! Omfg QFTW!
I'm hyped for cata though I would want blizz to lean hard into changes. I would be super stoked to see retail style flex raiding for example
Yeah I've heard some of the same sentiments on discords and the like. A lot of guilds struggle to consistently field 25 people, but they can get 15-20.
I think flex came an expansion or two later but it would be a welcome early addition for many. Makes a lot of sense to add it in cata since the loot is the same in different raid sizes anyway. But I doubt it's going to happen at this point
Tbh I don't think many people want Flex raiding. It's easy to fill 10 man so if you're struggling to fill 10, just split into 2 raid groups since the loot is exactly the same and you can't do both anyways.
I would say to keep any major change for a SoD Cata server and leave the main servers mostly accurate to the original version of Cata, its suppose to be Cataclysm Classic not Cataclysm Classic+
Flex raiding or Gamma Dungeon wouldn't change 90% of the game overall so for that I do not care, but adding things like Warlock Tank and etc definitely would be major changes that would fit in a possible SoD Cata server.
Love the Cata chat!!!
I’m super excited about cata yet struggling to care about my character non-gear progression (collections, achievements, etc) and really for me it’s because I know I’m going to play war within and genuinely wish some of my achievements would cross-over. I’d be happy even it’s it was simply the still achievable things in retail, but it just feels like my time is more enjoyable when I know my account is getting boosted up by the things I’m earning, rather than it being separate.
I love the experience of Classic. I love the modern feel of retail. Cata is where WoW started to turn the corner going from Classic to Modern. I’m hoping experiencing it again will be a best of both worlds feeling.
People just forget how good Cata is - It is a bit forgettable at the end but apart from that it's great imo
Phase 1 of Cata is unironically one of the best little sections of WoW ever. Excellent heroic 5 mans that are actually tuned up a bit from what we usually get, great specs to play around with, and a good raid on top of it. Oh and also many consider Cata PvP to be the best state arena PvP has ever been in, if you're into that. Worth playing IMO even if you end up quitting before the end of the expansion
I totally forgot about the water raid we were supposed to have.. Also side note, WoD was memed on, but if all the scratched content of WoD was actually in the game, it would have been so much better. We we're supposed to have horde base in the Bladespire Fortress, alliance on in the temple of Karabor (before it was BT). Shattrah was supposed to be a raid, ogre island got scrapped, Gorehowl legendary was datamined but never implemented. Zangermarsh zone and much more.
Epic!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏💥💥💥💥💥💥💯💯💯💯💯
CATA HYPE!!! Going to be nice to actually have time to enjoy the expansion. I was starting college when it first came out and I maybe got 3-4hrs to play a week. Much more free time now and I plan to at least double that!
Why you should play Cata: Class/Spec combos are unique. Each class gets a level 10 skill and your talent tree is your is your oyster. Please don’t mix up MOP with Cata. MOP has the three talent system.
people just love to regurgitate the bullshit they hear from other people who have no damn clue! i am quite excited for cata! my whole damn guild is !
Damn, Cata is yet another level of maturity the game reached , mechanic wise in all classes, every expansion since Classic was a step forward, until MoP. And played them all
I'm honestly one of the people that said for years Cata was the absolute worst. But I'm son hyped for Cata.
Cata is a better WotLK, if you like WotLK, Cata will be even better.
Dude same, then I played on a private server to articulate my hate for the expansion.. ended up falling in love with the expansion 😂
@@ahetzel9054 I first thought I'd hate the Cata for the world revamp when it came out, only to end up loving it. And then I loved everything about the expansion, except a couple fights in Dragon Soul and fewer raid tiers.
41:15 mark, I'm 100% with you. I also took that survey. Was pretty excited to see what QoL stuff they would bring, and other than appearance tab, feels like nothing new. Very disappointed. What was the purpose of the survey?
Signed up for the Cata beta, hopefully us normies will be able to get in soon! Want to try out the leveling, already have all classes at 80 from wrath so probably won't level a bunch of new classes when it's actually live.
It would’ve been awesome if you found a 3rd “Scott” for this and recreate the Spider-Man meme lol. Great stuff boys! Great stuff!
adding to gdkps - i bet money on that there will be much less gdkps bcs they cant clear HC. More likely you will see 10m alt raids with guildies, fix groups or carries
One step closer to MoP Classic! I have mixed feelings on Cataclysm memories - I think a lot of the "bad" was the content drought which is fixable this time around. Oh, I also hated Holy Power with a passion and my main from BC to Cata was a Paladin, so, yeah. I will say I love Uldum and Blood/Frost DK was a ton of fun in Cata. Vasj'ir can go DIAF...wait, I don't think that would work - sigh.
So scotty when does private server mop streams start 😂
I started this video and got a beta invite after 1:58!
bring on the rogue legendary, very excited for cata as a rogue main
If you enjoy pvp...you will love Cata! So much hate
Agreed. A lot of the top pvp'ers have said that cata is the best arena has ever been
Estimated release date for Classic CATA?
52:30 I do feel it's kind of bs for logs to not count add damage. Sure, if the add isn't supposed to be part of the fight that's one thing, but adds that are legit part of the fight should absolutely count in the logs.
As I believe in roundabout way, the statement made here by Jae is even making the point for me that this sends the message that adds don't matter to the fight and in most cases in Cata-onwards raid encounters, they absolutely do.
Who ever restructured leveling abilities probably didnt understand the game
I played cata and really enjoyed it. Healing sucked a bit, but dps and tanking was greatly fun. I enjoyed the world breaking, maybe it needed fixing to a point after cata, like the shamans and druids and mages fixed what Death wing broke. Ignoring lfr I truly had some of the most fun in Cata. Maybe Blizzard will smarten up and rework the Death Wing fight.....Hopefully. but I'm excited for it.
The only thing I remember disliking about cata was the world destruction. It would have been cool if they could have kept it normal then after you make it to northrend the destruction happens so the timeline is smoother. I am not a RPer but it didnt make sense to be a major champion but you dont start your journey until after the cataclysm
now i know why the beta is so small right now. I was looking forward to getting in, im ready, but i guess it needs more work first?
Are you coming back to Mograine or you going elsewhere?
Gaming changed a lot around the cata release window. Single player and indie games fucking exploded around that time and EVERYONE was swapping over to games like that. Go look at the games that released around Cata.
Cata hype, been waiting for Cata Classic since they announced Vanilla Classic. Was the expansion I had the most fun, leveling is way better in the revamped zone, quest are fun and alot of them have easter egg in them. Heroic Dungeons at release was harder then Wotlk Heroics and I liked that, it's the difficulty just before hitting raid, ofc it should be hard, I hope they release them un-nerfed. Raid we alot of fun and all the classes feel way better in Cata.
How can you accurately test leveling with weapon skill still in the game?
Mythic + is the best thing that has ever happened to the game. It fills in the competitive pve content gap that gets made when you’ve cleared your raid and are sitting there raid logging for next lockout. Doesn’t need to have bis gear, can even just be cosmetic/title/mount/xmog/achiev. But it DOES need a rating attached.
Can't wait for cata, everything raid boss is new and interesting (except madness of Deathwing, giving a dragon a manicure isn't my idea of fun). Wrath is actually pretty boring, was easy back in the day (at least for myself) its easier now with last patch. GDKPs are usually very good runs, my server (Saurfang) does 2 speed runs 60 min 12/12H clear back to back on a Saturday.
yeah wrath was actually pretty boring, the specs aren't quite good enough. Cata they start becoming a lot more robust and yet not retail levels of stupid. A nice balance
I hope LFR is out day 1, or the previous tier.
Cata is hype. I loved it back in the day.
Only the people who literally never played it back in the day are the ones who like to shit on it.
The problem with GDKP's is that they're better than most guilds since raiding more than 1 night isn't really possible with fixed raid sizes, per raid lockout instead of per boss lockout, no cross server raiding, and mandatory raid buffs.
I feel like its the opposite of rose tinted glasses. Its more like black tinted glasses, because Cata ended really poorly with the Raid and the Content drought, and from there on Cata was remembered as bad and now its an echo chamber of hatred.
That's the dumbest thing about the echo chamber of hatred towards it. It's 99% based on the content drought, which WON'T EXIST in the classic version of cata because they've already stated in interviews that they're going to try to move very quickly through the phases. We're probably going to have a
41:15 There are a lot of cool changes coming in CataClassic, but they are purposely hiding them. I know this is a 'friend of a friend' situation, but I do know someone personally who is an advisor on CataClassic and they straight up told me as much. Believe me if you want, don't if you want. Either way, I don't care, but there it is regardless.
I hope they'll bring in mythic+🤞🤞 I don't like raiding because strict schedules and difficulties finding guilds . I missed out on all the wrath's pve content apart from naxx due to that
Played at launch of cata up to heroic dungeons and came back during LFR dragon soul. So I’ve never experience the content. Existed for something new. Played on a million private Wotlk server
I'm really hoping they go with the un-nerfed heroic dungeons. They got nerfed fairly quickly from what I recall on live, people cried on the forums that they were too hard. But engaging 5 man content is always nice rather than the faceroll 5 mans in wrath
I am going to try Cata, but im not excited for it.
I would be surprised if I enjoy it enough to stick around
it will be better than wrath. Maybe not more popular (because of the bizarre amount of hate it gets which will keep some people away because they are drinking the kool-aid), but better yes. Way better class design, way better 5 mans, lots of nice QoL (bye bye weapon skill, etc.), and the pacing is going to be much better because Blizz plans to fly through the phases. Expect a short but sweet
I played in TBC and then skipped all of Wotlk. I played hard in Cata and to me, Cata is what I think of "classic". I'm looking forward to running an unkillable blood dk.
For me personally Cata was the best expansion ever. I had by far the most fun playing during these times and therefore extremely hyped to play it again. I actually skipped almost all of classic TBC and classic Wotlk and just started again to get myself ready for Cataclysm. I never understood why people hate so much on Cata and I really think most of them were aping each other.
AOE looting was cataclysm.
Cata haters can't stand that people like it.
And the best part is that they’re getting more and more tilted over the fact that everyday there’s more and more Cata videos, TH-camrs and players in general saying they will play Cata lol
Not liking it is perfectly fine but somehow haters feel the need to come in and shout it out. Like just move on and get laid, literally no one asked.
the amount of people that have harassed me for mage water, and don't believe me when I tell them I can't make it has been unreal
I just got the beta! wooo
42:15 I don't want dungeons to be easy...
I think there's something to be said for still having dungeons to run for potential rare purp drops and other upgrades for the first month or so of raiding. Also, I don't like seeing any content trivialized, and if the dungeons are too easy all the dungeon farming is going to be over way too soon. I'm fine with normals being super easy so people can see the content, but Heroics should live up to the name. IMO, they got it right with the very first implementation of Heroic dungeons in live Cataclysm.
As some who just spend 6 or 7 months on a cata private server, my biggest complaint is having to spend 31 talent points in your tree before you can go into another tree. Id like to have a bit more freedom to choose my talents and their reasoning for why they put the 31 point restriction is actually borderline retarded. "We don't want players to be confused as to where to put their talent points" as if the level 10 selection page isnt enough for even the dumbest players.
My second complaint is not being able to roll need on non plate or mail as a holy pally or resto sham. I get that they want you to stick with your armor specialization but it FUCKING sucks when a cloth item drops and you need it but cant roll on it and everyone rolls Disenchant and someone just runs off with a shard. I think there should be a priority for greed rolls over disenchant rolls and it only gets D/e'd if everyone rolls D/E
I'm a extreme Cata purist and the idea to add Tank warlock and other SoD crap in cata legit scare me. lol
I've been waiting since Classic to get Cata classic and seeing it being randomly change and not be like it once was would *REALLY* piss me off, however I wouldn't mind a SoD Cata server separated from the Main Cata servers though, I probably wouldn't play it but I won't mind it being a thing.
big shocker the warlock player is excited for cata
Sick of the pve princesses dragging cata through the mud because they cant handle pressing more than two buttons
Cataclysm isn't bad, it doesn't deserve the hate
Sure they changed the world and took out a lot of stuff but over all it was very fun, very memorable
And tbh I have a feeling that Blizz may pull a bronze dragon thing and let you talk to a dragon and switch between pre and post Cata worlds
People just be hiveminding. Most the people hating on it can't even remember it. It was the last good Xpac and people are about to be reminded.
LFR is a completely valid reason to hate Cata. It's content you are forced to engage with due to the value of trinkets and a few other items. Five people trying to carry twenty other people who have no idea what is happening (or are literally afk) is just an awful experience for everyone.
Still excited for Cata to get here.
cata was the last expansion that had proper leveling experience... and for me that's 70% of the game... not only it was proper... it was also the best
You guys have to remember when cata came out, it was the time of start of mobas, alot of people, me included moved on to that from wow.
If GDKP are the only thing holding the server population... that's not good. (based on the speakers statements)
Gdkp bans in cata would be amazing
It's nice to see some content creators in the classic community that actually have a different opinion on cata. I liked cata when I played it even tho I took a break for irl reasons at the start of the expansion.
Cata is what made me quit WoW back in the day so I was one of those people up until I realised that was 15 years ago and alot of stuff I hated back then, I like now.... so I'll give it a shot.
The 2 main things I hated about Cata, was the new talent trees and the leveling being too fast. And the great new world they made is empty because all people do is spam dungeon.
Still waiting on an invite, its still just streamer only and as you said, streamers arnt playing it... so you'd think they'd let people in...
Where all the cata folk at?? Im on Faerlina
the classes get better and better with each expansion up until it starts a downhill in Warlords of Draenor. Class design peaks in Mists of Pandaria
Yeah it's nice that in cata we've finally advanced past the stone age of having 1 button specs. Even in wrath there are some still lingering around
I disagree, class design peaked in Cata, then MoP really bloated classes with too much CC and Utility and spells that have the same function, but have different procs or CDs. WoD was better than MoP, but not as good as Cata. SL is on par with Cata and Dragonflight are peak class design though.
Cata hype
I played all the wow versions at launch up to BFA. Cata launch patch was really terrible and alot of the bad memories comes from that patch. If Cata launches on the last patch of the x pac that solves many of the issues that Cata had. The main other issue was only a five level cap which felt bad for many players, but again that's not so bad today when you have other versions you wish to play like SoD. The under water zone wasn't well received by the player base, but again now that folks know they can completely skip it and go for another starter zone that fixes alot of the issues. All that being said i think one of the pros of Cata is that you don't have a huge private server pop that has exploited every fight until it was easy. I think many of the dungeons and even raids may feel better for the player base going through them this time. Cata launch and x pac were probably so bad early because blizz had just been acquired and the time had not been properly put into the finished product, however now that can be fixed by releasing on the last patch. All that to say i don't think Cata deserves all the hate it gets as a classic progression expac, many of the problems will likely be fixed at launch with a good and stable patch. There is also hope that some balance changes will occur to bring most of the classes and specs together allowing players to play the class and spec they want to and not the one they have to in order to get into raids.
Cata is The misunderstood child
I'm still on the fence for Cata but it was great back in the day. I'm out if/when they start nerfing everything. I get the super casual wow player who wants the loot without turning his monitor on but thats not fun for me. I am concerned they will put almost 0 effort in Cata after launch. I would guess that 97% of their efforts will go towards SoD and Retail.
Please please please bring in challenge modes
I don’t know why we are out here talking like cata is just as good as wrath when we have historic evidence of the game losing players and interest when cata came out the first time.
So, play sims, it has much more players)))
Because people that could raid and do 0 mechanics actually had to do something in cataclysm
The should have made the old world stay the same , and everyone would have been hyped for just the new zones/raids
maybe, but ultimately it doesn't matter much. You spend a tiny tiny fraction of your toon's playtime leveling
The new world is better, with the exception of a few zones.
i really liked cata, but refused to play mop.
Cata is better than MoP. MoP has the most negatives compared to positives of any expansion(SL being a close second), but it still has many positives and is good.
Blizzard just banned my account for no reason, I'm out! Freedom!